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		<title>By: kairos in cal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-451130</link>
		<dc:creator>kairos in cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is your best scacrecrow.  Thanks be to God.  Thanks for always articulating the moral position.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blessings and thanks for your mission.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is your best scacrecrow.  Thanks be to God.  Thanks for always articulating the moral position.</p>
<p>Blessings and thanks for your mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-450007</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the movie “War Game,” they were finally able to teach the computer that it couldn’t “win.” Will anyone be able to teach our pResident that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the movie “War Game,” they were finally able to teach the computer that it couldn’t “win.” Will anyone be able to teach our pResident that?</p>
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		<title>By: mrJJ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449904</link>
		<dc:creator>mrJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Peshmurga Iraqi forces (Kurdistan forces) have already declared they will not deploy to Baghdad to get involved in the Sunni vs Shia Civil war. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maliki and his Shia dominated military will not move against  anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in any meaningful way. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani Ali Husaini will assist Moqtada al-Sadr in the background.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it looks like Americans will be clearing out the Sunni’s for the Shia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peshmurga Iraqi forces (Kurdistan forces) have already declared they will not deploy to Baghdad to get involved in the Sunni vs Shia Civil war. </p>
<p>Maliki and his Shia dominated military will not move against  anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in any meaningful way. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani Ali Husaini will assist Moqtada al-Sadr in the background.</p>
<p>So it looks like Americans will be clearing out the Sunni’s for the Shia.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449884</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mick — yes, of course, the rule of law has to be enforced, and there must be a willingness to use force behind that.  No civilized nation functions otherwise. Beyond that, we will probably not agree.  There are more choices than being bombed by US forces and being beheaded/murdered by terrorists, and neither, it seems to me, tends in the long run to move us in the direction in which the rule of law is honored with much less bombing/beheading. That, at least, ought to be a goal.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the record, I have fought, in Viet Nam.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick — yes, of course, the rule of law has to be enforced, and there must be a willingness to use force behind that.  No civilized nation functions otherwise. Beyond that, we will probably not agree.  There are more choices than being bombed by US forces and being beheaded/murdered by terrorists, and neither, it seems to me, tends in the long run to move us in the direction in which the rule of law is honored with much less bombing/beheading. That, at least, ought to be a goal.  </p>
<p>For the record, I have fought, in Viet Nam.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Stockinger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449865</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Stockinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The silliest thing I’ve read in a long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found it especially touching that you quoted Kofi Annan, who presided over the butchery in Rwanda, the oil-for-food program and the UN’s exploitation of young children for sex–rule of law my ass.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you ever ask yourself why no one pays attention to UN resolutions?  I mean, if the law is the solution to all this violence and exploitation, then wouldn’t all these UN resolutions have been a lot more effective?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The answer is simple–the law is merely the consensus of the empowered.  That house you were complaining that the U.S. military shot up?  It was in Waziristan, a “tribal” area on the border of Afghanistan.  Al Qaeda is the law in this area, and do you know why?  Because they have the guns and people willing to use them to impose their will.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The law operates by implicit threat of force, which makes your argument pathetically foolish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The U.S. uses force or the threat of force to impose the law (its will).  The terrorists do the same in order to impose their law.  So the real question is whose law do you want to be under?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you don’t want to fight, the drop your drawers and bend over, because you’ve got nothing to complain about unless you have four witnesses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone is always willing to impose law–the question for you is whether you can accept that Hajji does it instead of you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The silliest thing I’ve read in a long time.</p>
<p>I found it especially touching that you quoted Kofi Annan, who presided over the butchery in Rwanda, the oil-for-food program and the UN’s exploitation of young children for sex–rule of law my ass.</p>
<p>Did you ever ask yourself why no one pays attention to UN resolutions?  I mean, if the law is the solution to all this violence and exploitation, then wouldn’t all these UN resolutions have been a lot more effective?</p>
<p>The answer is simple–the law is merely the consensus of the empowered.  That house you were complaining that the U.S. military shot up?  It was in Waziristan, a “tribal” area on the border of Afghanistan.  Al Qaeda is the law in this area, and do you know why?  Because they have the guns and people willing to use them to impose their will.</p>
<p>The law operates by implicit threat of force, which makes your argument pathetically foolish.</p>
<p>The U.S. uses force or the threat of force to impose the law (its will).  The terrorists do the same in order to impose their law.  So the real question is whose law do you want to be under?</p>
<p>If you don’t want to fight, the drop your drawers and bend over, because you’ve got nothing to complain about unless you have four witnesses.</p>
<p>Someone is always willing to impose law–the question for you is whether you can accept that Hajji does it instead of you.</p>
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		<title>By: All Spin Zone &#187; The Passion of the Left</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449830</link>
		<dc:creator>All Spin Zone &#187; The Passion of the Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] I don’t need to write another word on the Bush regime’s plan for escalation in Iraq, because Scarecrow at Firedoglake has written an absolutely fabulous post that sums up all of the frustration and fear that we all feel. Here’s a taste: “Tell me how this ends.” Does it end by the US killing everyone who hates America, or every one the neocons hate? Last I checked, that was moving in the direction of a very large number of Muslims; if so, we are significantly outnumbered. There are a billion or so Muslims who do not share our view that we have the unilateral right to kill them just because members of al Qaeda attacked us. In that context, the notion that sending 20,000 more US troops to help pacify or kill (with an even hand) angry Sunni and Shiite Muslims because they don’t want us in their country seems incredibly obtuse, even suicidal… […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] I don’t need to write another word on the Bush regime’s plan for escalation in Iraq, because Scarecrow at Firedoglake has written an absolutely fabulous post that sums up all of the frustration and fear that we all feel. Here’s a taste: “Tell me how this ends.” Does it end by the US killing everyone who hates America, or every one the neocons hate? Last I checked, that was moving in the direction of a very large number of Muslims; if so, we are significantly outnumbered. There are a billion or so Muslims who do not share our view that we have the unilateral right to kill them just because members of al Qaeda attacked us. In that context, the notion that sending 20,000 more US troops to help pacify or kill (with an even hand) angry Sunni and Shiite Muslims because they don’t want us in their country seems incredibly obtuse, even suicidal… […]</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449803</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent piece, Scarecrow. So well-written. You’ve gotten to the heart of the problem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece, Scarecrow. So well-written. You’ve gotten to the heart of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: johnSwifty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449745</link>
		<dc:creator>johnSwifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-449635&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @&lt;br /&gt;
                167              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-449565&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 97 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Understood, if you want a blow by blow of our intept handling read “Decent Interval” by Frank Snepp &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.franksnepp.com/decent/index.html&quot;&gt;Decent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;johnSwifty:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you still around? Frank Snepp–the guy I was telling you about.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had to go work, or something…got it!  Thanks, Biodun!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-449635"><em>Biodun @<br />
                167              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-449565"><em>raven @ 97 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Understood, if you want a blow by blow of our intept handling read “Decent Interval” by Frank Snepp <a href="http://www.franksnepp.com/decent/index.html">Decent</a></p>
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<p>johnSwifty:</p>
<p>Are you still around? Frank Snepp–the guy I was telling you about.</p>
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<p>I had to go work, or something…got it!  Thanks, Biodun!</p>
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		<title>By: Roddy McCorley</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449737</link>
		<dc:creator>Roddy McCorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-449579&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 111 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What mission was accomplished, I always wonder.  Pipelines?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll tell you one mission that has been accomplished.  Guess how we’re going to pay for this war when the Saudis, the Chinese, the Japanese and our other creditors call in their markers?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With Social Security.  That’ll kill it at last, something the GOP has dreamed of but not dared to say out loud for the last 70 years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-449579"><em>ccmask @ 111 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What mission was accomplished, I always wonder.  Pipelines?</p>
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<p>I’ll tell you one mission that has been accomplished.  Guess how we’re going to pay for this war when the Saudis, the Chinese, the Japanese and our other creditors call in their markers?  </p>
<p>With Social Security.  That’ll kill it at last, something the GOP has dreamed of but not dared to say out loud for the last 70 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut Wicksell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/10/tell-me-how-this-ends/#comment-449691</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut Wicksell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-449566&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve @ 98 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;perris @ 68..you are correct, he does have that ability and the ability to declare martial law and the ability to nuke Iran and on and on. Bush is a psychopath who is being pushed into a corner by the Congress and maybe the courts. If Bush calls for an Iranian strike or martial law or what-ever, impeachment is not going to help. I just hope that the senior military remembers that their oath is to the US Constitution. Then we will be just like Turkey or any other country where the military is the decider.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I pointed this out to colleagues last year before the election.  They thought I was mad (as usual).  Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.  I’m mildly optimistic that Bush will not declare martial law, optimism being based on his bottom-feeding polls, which will make it difficult for him to execute the Plan.  It will probably turn out like the Saturday Night Massacre.  One bridge too far.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-449566"><em>Steve @ 98 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>perris @ 68..you are correct, he does have that ability and the ability to declare martial law and the ability to nuke Iran and on and on. Bush is a psychopath who is being pushed into a corner by the Congress and maybe the courts. If Bush calls for an Iranian strike or martial law or what-ever, impeachment is not going to help. I just hope that the senior military remembers that their oath is to the US Constitution. Then we will be just like Turkey or any other country where the military is the decider.</p>
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<p>I pointed this out to colleagues last year before the election.  They thought I was mad (as usual).  Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.  I’m mildly optimistic that Bush will not declare martial law, optimism being based on his bottom-feeding polls, which will make it difficult for him to execute the Plan.  It will probably turn out like the Saturday Night Massacre.  One bridge too far.</p>
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