
Sigh.
Que je voudrais vous presenter, messieurs et dames. Regardez bien je vous en prie!
It's…the iPhone.
Now, until yesterday, I was thoroughly uninterested in PDA's. You could keep your Blackberrys, your Treos. I just thought that was too much technology crammed into one cramped little device. Besides, they look like digital watches did in the 1970's.
Early digital watch:

An average Treo:

See the resemblance? Drab little black plastic square with teeny tiny silver buttons. It's about as metabolically exciting as a dry-erase board.
I know, I know. Some of you love your Treos because of what they do. They enable you to spend even more time ignoring the person you're having lunch with ("Just a sec," you chirp, "I gotta answer this email…") than you could with just your cell phone, but can you look me in the eye and say that you honestly love your Blackberry/Treo? Do you look at it and feel happy? Do you ever just take it out and look at it because it's pretty?
Well, Apple's here to fix everything, apparently.
From Salon:
The cause of Apple's identity swap is a palm-size wonder called the iPhone. It's like no other phone you've ever seen. Mostly, it's just a flat screen. Everything you do with it is driven by software, through a remarkable pointing device — your fingers. According to Jobs, the iPhone can do all that a phone can do, plus all that an iPod can do, and apparently very nearly all that a Mac can do, too.
(snip)
It features a vertical screen that morphs into a horizontal one. When you flip the phone sideways, it plays your movies, TV shows and photos on a very wide, sharp 3.5-inch screen. Much of the rest of your business is done vertically, but because the phone runs a version of Mac OS X, Apple's desktop operating system, you can do many things in parallel. In his demo, Jobs flipped the phone in a natural, intuitive manner, while performing multiple tasks at once. He'd start off playing music or a video, then answer a phone call, then switch to the Web browser to look something up, then scan through his pictures, then send a photo via e-mail to the person he was talking to. (Probably not a good idea to do all this while driving.)
(second snip)
There are probably only a few of us who really need to have a cellphone, an iPod, a Web browser, a text chat system, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi all in one device wherever we go — maybe if you're an E.R. doctor or a FEMA official. (Maybe not a FEMA official.) For most of us, all this will be as necessary as a Hummer in Riverside. The real point is how the iPhone looks and what it says about the people who own it. And it looks marvelous. It's is 4.5 inches high, 2.5 inches wide, and less than half an inch thick. From the back it resembles an iPod, but in front the iPhone is like the winner of a design contest to make the iPod even flashier — all blackened glass framed by a thin strand of silver.
Ooooooooh. Me likey. Me want! Want, want, want!! GIMME!!
Of course, I know the score here. I might be able to afford one of those in, say, 2009. It's $500. You have to switch to Cingular. (I'm on T-Mobile and very happy with them. I pay a ridiculously low monthly amount for a massive amount of minutes. I've had good experiences with their customer service and so on and so forth.) And really, when it comes right down to it, I don't really need a combination phone/iPod/web-interface, etc. all in one place. My current phone works just fine as a phone and my computer does its job equally marvellously. I spend maybe a total of half an hour a day more than ten steps away from a computer whether at work or home.
But it's shiny! It does cool stuff! And it's a MAC.
I realize now that the reason PDA's have been so ugly and unappealing to me for so long is because they've been designed and used largely by people who've never noticed anything wrong with Windows nor dared to dream of anything more. Now Mac has a PDA and it's making my fingers ITCH with GREED!
In the meantime, though, remember a few months ago when I told you about that Nokia swivel phone I want? Well, they've updated it with two new colors and of course, it looks even cooler. It's the Nokia 7373 and it comes in a pretty, very feminine pink:

And the one I want, a sexy, manly combination of black and bronze:
All together, now! Oooooooooh.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Of course, they're not distributing them in the US, but you can get them on eBay, the same situation as my last cell-phone purchase which, in fact, has worked out swimmingly. The catch, of course, is that they're selling for about $300 and the phone I bought in the summer for $70 is still working just fine and looking great. Ergo, I have no excuse to even think about dropping that kind of money on a new phone. Still. Drool.
Well, maybe when my birthday comes in the spring, I can rationalize a purchase like that.
When I was a young teen, my mom took me and my brother out to the mall for the twice-a-year ordeal of buying new clothes for school and church. I remember zero-ing in on a black jacket that I wanted. I looked at the price-tag and oh, lordy! $450! Not gonna happen. My mom came over and looked at it and said, "I had hoped that you would miss this aspect of the family curse."
"Huh?" I said, "Family curse?"
"Expensive tastes coupled with an artistic temperament. Prepare yourself for a life of frustrated yearning, son."
She was right, of course.



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Blue America & Fitzmas!
oh, trex–shiny phone!
Thanks Trex. I need to think about something else.
Yep.
It is very seductive and I like my electronic toys.
BUT we just switched to Working Assets Wireless which runs off of the Sprint network. Got a 2 year minimum contract. So unless and until the magic apple can be used on that network, it ain’t happening.
Too bad.
I wasn’t done pontificating. Everyone back in the basement.
SENATOR KENNEDY!!!
Joe LieberKlein should get one so he can keep up with his blog. He could call it an iKlein.
I have the 6700 which you can usb to your laptop and go on line
with sprint I get about 700 kps wherever I have a phone signal
unlimited internet so it’s free…never need a hot spor
Steve Jobs!
I remember the original Mac and looking up “Frog Design”. Apple is now coming out as an industrial design company.
Its cool.
I just bought the i530 Motorola off ebay. It is nothing fancy but I love it. I mostly use the radio with my coworkers but I never get dropped calls. And my job pays for it, and my car and my gas & laptop (which was great this week because my transmission went).
Remember when Gates said no one would ever need more than 512K of ram?
TeddySanFran @ 9
he did the wrong thing on this phone
from what I’m reading, it’s propriotory, no outside developers for software, no outside hardware
AND, it’s one carrier only, you have to sign with them (I think it’s singular)
I am loosing respect for steve
sorry
Besides net neutrality, we should be screaming for cell phone neutrality. Do I know what that means? Not really. Not quite yet. But I do know that in the rest of the civilized world, cell phones tend to be cooler, service tends to be cheaper, and there are no mandatory 2-year contracts. Because I wanted to use my Asian -market GSM Motorola, I had to go with TMobile, and I had to sign for 24 months of service. Grrrrr.
Of course, the iPhone makes us leap ahead of the rest of the world. :-) Now, we just have to wait for it to migrat to T-Mobile and other providers…
Oh, TRex. As a Christian might say, we all have our crosses to bear. My condolences. (And yes, the iPhone is very, very cool.)
“…a completely neck-whipping change of subject”:
Totally OT, Boston Legal, amid its mindwarping buffoonery makes strong social points. As it did this week about NO. “these were not the United States of America”…total chaos…elephants gone wild.
David Kelley is a master. And I lubs me some Shatner…even if he did ditch Fargo last fall.
tryggth @ 10
I own the original Mac. It’s in my basement gathering dust along with an early PowerMac 60/66 with 256K hard drive. Huge in its day. And then there’s the Powerbook 1400 which has swapable floppy, CD and Zip drives. After that was the iBook and now the Powerbook.
And before all of those I had an Apple III, no, not ii, but 3. It hooked up to essentially a typewriter to print out.
Apple has gotten a LOT of $$ from me over the years. Now to figure out how to recycle some of the older ones.
bonkers @ 7
iPutz.
Revdeb
Keep all of those old MACs. Some are now selling them as antiques.
I am a Treo owner, and I’m offended by…owning a Treo. As a business, we had to standardize on something, and the Blackberry was too risky at the time, the iPhone too far in the future.
In almost a year of ownership, I have yet to program a second address into the Treo. I have written perhaps three emails with it, one of which was a test mail and the last of which was a long mail. It went missing when I had the temerity to answer the phone. The touchscreen is cool, because it means you can use the phone, sort of, after you lose the stylus. The other cool thing about it is, once you put it in your pocket, it’s like a box of chocolates. You never know what’s going to be there when you open it back up.
Apple only hires designers who love beauty, and that makes all the difference. June. They say it’s available in June.
Grammar Police Citation:
“my mom took my brother and I out to the mall”
Please change to “my mom took my brother and me out to the mall” to keep this fragile head from imploding. Thank you, and have a nice day.
P.S. Always love your work, TRex!
So, TRex, is this a “consumer advice” column? Kinda like the Late Nite equivalent to Christy’s Sat. Pull up a Chair? If so, I need advice on the cell phone issue. Are you game?
Not to get too far off topic, but here’s another shiny gadget: Would you buy a used war from this man? Maybe you don’t have to buy a used war, after all. Maybe we’ll get a shiny new one with Iran instead. Maybe Iraq was just a detour, or a test drive. No wonder Bush looked scared. Time to brush up on impeachment.
EPU’ed. Good night all,
There was an attack everyone everywhere quality to Bush’s speech tonight:
I truly do not know what to make of this. I have generally considered an attack on Iran a low probability because of its devastating effect on the world economy and the price of oil. Either this is pointless posturing and saber rattling or it is the most serious escalation suggested in Bush’s speech, even more threatening than this allusion to an attack against Muqtada al Sadr:
Such a move would mean we would be fighting not just a Sunni insurgency but a Shia one as well.
So we would be fighting the Sunni, the Shia, the Syrians, and the Iranians. I’m surprised Bush didn’t include the Kurds, no doubt an oversight.
Mary McCurnin >
It was 640K and, as the world is learning, William H. Gates isn`t the genius everyone thought he was
awwwwwwww
“…let`s face it, modern man is just ancient man…with better electronics…” – Mr. Jack (in the Box)
Yeah, TRex. I saw that hype. It looks shiny and nice, but waaaay way beyond my needs. I’m happy that for all my tech lust? i can settle quite happily for something ‘lesser’ or older.
I’ve got a newer model Nokia that does all i need, and like you i’m with T-Mobile. Their Pay As You Go program works excellent with my use as needed cellphone habits. (as in once a month maybe) Customer service is priceless with them as well. No reason to switch, so all i did was upgrade my phone from 2002.
At the moment? i was chairdancing last night cause i got my laptop wireless able after 2 hours of bashing around and several reboots. It’s an old Dell Latitude with win2k on it. I couldn’t beat the deal, refurbished and free! So being wifi operational? Even better than shiny new gear, really. Then again i’m in the ‘my own laptop!cool!’ stage. I’m less on the shiny and more with the useful. *grins*
Imprick the peach.
RevDeb @ 17
As is mine, purchased in May of 1984 (though protected from dust). I used it until I got my Mac Plus, and I thought it may be worth some $$ someday. The signatures of the Apple Mac unit development team are cast on the inside of the case.
Sandia Blanca @
21
Done!
Valley Girl @
22
I will do what I can. Fire away.
TRex, all I can say is, if you want to stick with your current cellphone provider, wait six months. There will be a whole raft of such devices by then. Some will be elegant, some will not, but you’ll probably find something you like. Now that cell phones are really just little computers and the displays are available, the technology can readily support all that functionality.
CNN speech poll up.. http://www.cnn.com … scroll down on the lower right hand side.. their question is what’s your reaction to the preznit’s speech.. positive or negative Vote well and vote often.
[Mod Note; link fixed both here and in previous thread]
neurophius @ 6
Mash wrote a great tribute to Sen. Kennedy over at Taylor’s site:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc…..p?id=25025
Well worth the read.
Really, I’m happy with my MacBook, but I really, really want that Nokia phone. Sigh. I keep staring at the photos.
Perhaps I have sublimated my desire for a new boyfriend into just wanting a new phone.
“Expensive tastes coupled with an artistic temperament. Prepare yourself for a life of frustrated yearning, son.”
I think more of you mom every time you quote her, TRex. My mom warned me of that one too, only it was a $60 blazer in 1963.
Cujo359 @ 30
Sadly, no. Look at iPod, then look at Zune (years later), and all the schlock in between. Case closed.
Ed*ard Teller @ 34
One day, I will make her write her own post here. You’ll love it. She’s a riot.
hehe…nice post TRex…
I’m not really a cell-phone guy. I don’t like them…not because I hate cell phones, or hate technology but because I don’t like the ease with which people can nag me.
;)
My wife got an extra Treo from her company…but it was a “here…you can have this if you can make it work” kind of deal. It did work but she never used it. So it gathered dust but then I got the bright idea to try my T-Mobile SIM card from my RAZR phone and voila! it worked fine.
The treo is neat…and it’s great if you want to send alot of text messages. Sending text msgs via the RAZR sucks. But I still end up using the RAZR since I really only care about having a phone.
As to the iPhone, it looks neat…but I’m not a MacHead, I’m a linux user.
;)
Surge, shmurge. Who cares? It’s ALL about the iPhone now.
also.. this is really a lot of fun
http://www.cnn.com/interactive…..clude.html
CNN’s put up a timeline tracking shrub’s contradictory statements on Iraq since the war started
I’m on Cingular and will seriously think about getting one, mainly because I have been waiting, waiting, waiting to get an I-Pod.
Why don’t I just get one of these?
I’m with you. To paraphrase Louis Armstrong, “It ain’t worth jack if it ain’t a Mac.”
I kind of agree with what Respectful Dissent said (#14). It’s the main reason I held out for TracFone. Yeah, they only offer deprecated designs (three or four years old), but the pay-as-you-go ethos agrees with me.
Mostly, I just wanted to see if anybody twigged that opening quote.
Another one of Thomas Dolby’s best records that nobody ever heard.
Hey, how did you find a pix of my old Casio calculator watch? I was so hep with that thing..it even had a game in it.
From thread below:
Blub @ 550
CNN poll up.. http://www.cnn.com .. scroll down on the lower right hand side.. their question is what’s your reaction to the preznit’s speech.. positive or negative Vote well and vote often.
Neurophius said:
The poll is at 0% to 0%. Time for everyone to go vote.
SeriousKidding.com @ 38
Well, yeah. But you can go back downstairs and talk to yourself if you like.
Sign John Edwards’ petition No Funding for Escalation here.
Vote at MSNBC here.
Californians contact Boxer and Feinstein.
My email to our Senators:
Long ago I read the stats on MAC users. It went something like:
Better Educated
More Money in Bank
Happier Sex Life
Progressive Thinkers
Live Longer
Far Less Crashes
I just got back up out of bed (can’t sleep) – too disturbing to night! How do we prevent a new bigger Bush propelled M.E. conflagration?
Could states do something like refuse to send their national guard units, or refuse to spend any more money on something related to them????
perris >
It runs Mac OS X so anyone that can develop for Mac OS X can develop for the phone; give it some time to build a developer following. No one will be using one until at least June.
“…OS X is like a marriage between an engineer and an artist. And the Mac community will reflect that marriage….” – RA
SoulCatcher @ 37
If you crave a little anonymity, soulcatcher, leave your cell off. It’s what I do.
Wow, you materialist assholes really are as crappy as I read. Some “progressives” you are.
So THIS CRAP passes for your comment on the rape of Iraqi resources and people while the supine Democratic Party you shill for allows and funds war criminal torturer GW Bush to continue destroying the planet?
May you choke on an apple, war crimes enablers.
I live, sleep and eat Apple. I also make money off them. That said, the iPhone is mindblowingly cool and disappointing.
Everyone who’s used it says it works as demonstrated. The touch interface that changes depending on what you’re doing is amazing. It’s also not a phone, it’s a widescreen iPod with phone and internet capabilities.
The disappointing parts is being available only through Cingular (requiring a two-year contract!). Like many others, I refuse to switch cellular carriers for a phone. But this means I can’t get the iPod I’ve been waiting for because of the broken way the cellular business works in North America. As for the closed platform with no software, that’s still up for debate.
I’m at the point now where I think the iPhone is a Cingular-only thing that Apple’s committed to, but there’s no reason to not think they could release a different, similar device that’s not tied to Cingular later this year. There were rumors floating of two different models before the announcement.
What is clear is the iPhone is going to change the way people view portable communication the way the iPod changed the way people thought of portable music. Apple delivered another ground-breaking product.
I started collecting those floppy disks that AOL used to send in the mail all the time–I have the 1.0’s, 2.0’s and then the CD’s. At office depot they always have a barrell at the door and they’re free. I have ones that come in the mail in silver cases and gold cases. When 911 happened, they had little patriotic flags on them. When star wars movies come out, they have logos on them. I literally have a 30 gallon tub filled with all different CD’s from tons of companies. My thinking is that depression glass was free and inside laundry detergent boxes way back when. I picture me when I get old, I’ll be under a tent selling these at an antique show. I know it sounds dumb, but I just always save them.
neurophius @ 44
Still 0% to 0%. Is it Diebold or Microsoft doing the tally?
Leftist @ 51
Obviously you missed the many hundreds of comments on the previous threads. Even the righteous deserve a little downtime.
Leftist @ 50
It’s a little hard to take but leftist has a point..
Hey Leftist Dude! We work our butts off day in and day out for the cause. A little diversion keeps us sane.
oregondave @ 35
That’s nothing to do with the technology. The problem with that situation is the ridiculous demands of the content providers for “copy protection” that turns out to be completely worthless. Most companies, rightly, just don’t want to touch the music or video market, even though it could be incredibly lucrative for both the content providers and the hardware manufacturers. The content providers are idiots, and there are plenty of other places in the market to exploit.
Now let’s be nice folk, OK?
Tonight I don’t feel nice.
sorry. :0
The Lurking Mod @ 59
Should we just hit reload?
oregondave @ 54
I just voted and it was 77% negative and 23% positive. There were a thousand some votes. So, you might check again.
Leftist @ 50
Oh! Of course! How silly of me. Since the Preznint made a nonsensical speech about something we all knew was going to happen, all extraneous thought must be stopped! Let me quickly don my sackcloth and ashes and go forth crying through the streets!
OH, FIE!!
FIE UPON ME!!
ALL IS ASHES…AND DESPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR!!
OH, FIE, ALAS!!
I DIE! I DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEE!!
I admit I haven’t read the comments, but YOU ARE a prehistoric pea-brain with tiny little arms. sheesh. Stay in character.
That said, I have a sweet in-the-box Commodore64 with games and productivity software. and what they called a modem, in those days.
ps. I’m a 1967 Gibson Guitar.
TRex, relax Buddy..
What’s a fie?
I love TRex.
Jay @ 56
But how else are we going to coordinate the progressive revolution except on stylish, functional, well-designed personal communications devices?
I think 500 comments in 120 minutes in the prior thread speak for themselves.
Leftist @ 51:
(No, will not feed trolls, will not feed . . .)
To live well is the best revenge. And to have compassion. OK. Better now.
Jay @ 55
The one on top of its head, that it shares with trolls of any political stripe?
oregondave @ 28
A signature 1984 Mac is worth more than most early Macs these days. Keep it. I still have my first Commodore 64 because it was my first personal computer. Put pre MS-Dos IBMs in my office in 1979. My very favorite early computer was the Osborne, which was the incredibly ungainly and ugly precursor of the laptop. It looked liike an oscilloscope in a meage a trois with a boombox and an IBM selectric.
*gigglesnorts, gives up and bursts out laughing*
TREX! You’re lucky i wasn’t drinking anything. SPEW ALERT! *keeps giggling*
Cujo359 @ 61
Seem like it’s a valid comment, just misdirected.
And on the “cool” phones -remember the issues of Jobs and Apple and the Disney/ABC “special” on 9/11 that aired. I was one of the zillion who wrote to him quite angry. How quickly we forget…….
oregondave @ 54
I reaad somewhere that CNN does not display results until it hits some magic number like 3000 or 30000 or something. So it’s counting..just not showing.
So THIS CRAP passes for your comment on the rape of Iraqi resources and people while the supine Democratic Party you shill for allows and funds war criminal torturer GW Bush to continue destroying the planet?
Lieberman is your guy.
It’s to prevent people like us from throwing their polls :) hehe
daCascadian @ 49
no
jobs said it’s a version that’s closed
Thanks TRex. My questions are pretty remedial. When I went on sabbatical to Ithaca, a few years ago, I decided to get a cell phone. Verizon. And, ended up with something that I now realize was a crappy Motorola cell phone. Ithaca reception was pretty bad, bec. of the hills and valleys- cell phone reception did not work 50% of the time. So, I return to ATL. And, the cell phone does not work inside my brick condo. And, outside, I can hardly hear what people are saying. I gave up on “cell phones” out of total frustration.
So, about a month ago, I am shopping in Value Village, and there is a woman on a cell phone, and 30 feet away, and I can hear the entire conversation! I stalked her, and finally, when she was off the phone, I went up and asked her what service she was using, bec. I could hear the entire conversation. Metro PCS. But, I don’t think that’s what I want, bec. most of my calls will be out of state. Maybe it was the cell phone she had- some kind of Nokoia (sp?) thing? She said, oh, I must have had it on “speaker phone”, that’s why it was loud.
So, what is this T-mobile thing? I would like to find a way to “pay as I go”- but have good roaming access. AND, if my suspicions are correct, my Motorola cell phone was totally crappy, so I need a better cell phone too.
Advice?
I just want a phone that answers when I pick it up.
Mary McCurnin @ 65
I can’t say anything. I diiiiiiieed.
EvilDrPuma @ 69
I agree lefty overstated his or her case but I was a little surprised with the cell phone topic myself.. and yes, I was part of the 500 responses to Jane.
I saw the iPhone in person today at MacWorld. Ooooo it was nice. It was in a glass case on a column, rotating about once a minute. It was running a simulation of actual use. People surrounded the column, pressing up to the glass case to see it. They were TEN DEEP, trying to see this thing.
After a few minutes I finally got up close. It’s about the same size as my 30GB iPod, but the screen takes up the whole side. It’s very pretty. I’m sure I had the same thought everyone else did — If I knock down this column and grab the iPhone as it goes flying, will I make it to the front door?
EvilDrPuma @ 69
I suspect that “Leftist” is Right…if you know what I mean
TRex @
41
This is the correct widget.
Pectopah @ 78
I want a phone that records the numbers of incoming telemarketers and then blocks their lines with endless speed-dialed calls that announce “Bite me, pink boy!” when they pick up.
CNN’s up now.. 23% positive, 77% negative. Who are these 23-33% favorables on the two networks? 1000 is the trigger
OT but significant: – Joan Walsh from Salon just now on Scarborough:
“You know Joe, if I came on your show night after night and I lied to you, or I said things that turned out to be demonstrably false, you would not have me back, I’m sure. And the idea that we’re supposed to listen to this President just talk in such a crazy, deluded way again and again and say ‘Well, ya know maybe, maybe we can go into Iran and we can do it…’ And then on top of everything else the Nixonian mistakes that have been made…. He’s been wrong from start to finish, he’s wrong about Iran – and we’re sitting here debating it?!”
Well said, Joan. This is exactly what Glenn Greenwald (in particular) and all of us have been articulating so well. It’s finally starting to be heard in the mainstream (on a conservative host’s show, no less).
Just a drive by troll. I hear they’re alergic to dinosaurs though.
Who are these 23-33% favorables on the two networks? 1000 is the trigger
College Republicans?
Sorry for a serious comment but: I asked earlier if the states can’t just say no to their national guard units going off for Bush’s new escalation, and/or funding of same. Any idea anyone?
Fiyero @ 87
I can’t believe myself but I’m starting to watch a little Scarborough myself.
The CNN poll sucks – still doesn’t work. But I did call the White House opinion line (on my son’s band’s cell phone) from the previous post and told the nice young man that after the speech I thought the only way W’s ratings could go up at this point would be for him to convert to Islam. No snicker, no gasp, just dead air. I said “thanks” and left. I was hoping he’d ask “Sunni or Shia?”
perris @ 77
here’s the link
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/mac…..227575.php
the info comes from and interview with Eddie Cue and Phil Schiller, confirming that the iPhone is a closed system – no third-party applications
Jay @ 91
Joan is doing a wonderful job of deconstructing Bush.
Not to burst any IPhone bubbles, but Cisco is suing Apple over the use of the name IPhone
Richmond @ 89
Nope, don’t think so. There are clauses in law allowing Bush control in national emergencies. The exception was that Bush couldn’t take control of the National Guard and move them around inside the country, but even that’s been wiped away by an amendment slipped into the last military appropriations bill.
ccmask @ 75
Already did that today. See?
That was the equation. It was so long ago my memory banks had forgotten. Lieberman cancels programming!!!!
Yes, I believe that they can keep the national guard home. We tried to get a resolution passed in CA but it didn’t. That was six months ago or so. Maybe it would happen after tonight.
Another idea is to start letting the troops know if they come home on leave and don’t want to go back they will get support. How many time can these people go back and remain sane?
Persiflage @ 55
Well said.
Valley Girl @ 77
I need to examine this more closely than I am able to do right now, being at work and blogging, too. I will have an answer for you (I hope) a little after midnight.
ccmask @ 89
Morons.
The governator really tried when shrub federalized some guard units for domestic deployment on the US-Mexican border last year. The guv held out for 3 months, but, in the end, the preznit won. So no.. unfortunately, states can’t just say no.
Richmond @ 90
Thanks for the comments on the National Guards.
Here is another one, do you think we could mount a grass roots drive to create a law outlawing foreign government lobbyists from 1) getting US tax payers money; 2) funding in anyway US congresspeople? (I’m thinking AIPEC, but I am sure there are others – and I bet this issue [like net neutrality] is something that we could get some Red state support on).
Gorgeous design and user-friendly is Apple’s hallmark. Translate that into an iPhone and see they’re also branching off further into devices that everyone uses and I’m looking to buy this stock for the first time ever. They’re finally finding their perfect niche.
I guess, I’ll have to wait for the rally to be over first though. Boy, did that sucker zoom!
Richmond @ 90
I keep hoping some governor would have the spine to challenge the deployment, but the reality is every state is so dependent on federal funding for their National Guard units that denying Bush the Lesser his cannon fodder would mean a sudden cutting of funding.
Along those lines, Minnesota’s Bush-loving GOP governor just got hosed badly (besides the troops). Minnesota National Guard was going to come home in March but just got their tour extended another year. That’s not going to play well in the state at all.
Richmond @ 89
In MA a year plus ago we had a signature campaign going to put a measure on the ballot that would compel the Governor to not send any more Natl. Guard troops from the state and to keep those who returned home, home. We didn’t get enough sigs. (I bet we would now!). But there was a crew of lawyers that crafted it, so I assume it is a legally doable thing.
Anyone who is finding their sensibilities wounded by the fact that this thread is about fun technology (I did have to start writing it at 7pm, two hours before the Preznint speechified.) is welcome to go to the previous thread, where the conversation is still going.
RevDeb @ 106
Hmmmm – we have a new governor now too.
I hope every blinkered corporate hack who hamstrings the creative people in their midst so as to maximize return on investment to their shareholders is paying very, very close attention to Apple Inc. I do not care how much that thing costs I want one now, because I know and feel it is the leading edge of technological evolution. And to you malcontents who can’t step back from the edge of despair and ingnore the idiot we have yammering on about victory in Iraq, get a grip, and some perspective. There is NOTHING we can do at this point to change his mind – he has gone off the deep end, and we are all along for the ride until he’s out of office, or otherwise incapable of inflicting any more damage on our national resources and psyche.
Ed*ard Teller @ 91
I called too and told the guy that W. was living in Ground Hog Day world but not learning the lessons from reliving it time after time.
perris >
and you really believe that ?
There isn`t an electronic device made that can`t be hacked.
They said the same thing about iPods BTW. “Can`t pull the music off once it is on there.” & now days there are several freeware applications that do just that.
Come back in 12 months (MacWorld 2008) and tell us again how it can`t happen.
“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact….Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” – newshog@gmail.com
TRex- Hey- you had #100- that is what I am responding to. Didn’t want to start a big zig. And help much appreciated. But, you can email me with info- certainly not an urgent question re: the cell phone issue, since I’ve been w/o for quite some time. Just asking because you raised the general issue.
And, yes, we all need some downtime, and yes, the 500 comments on the previous thread do speak to the issue of crazy Bush. For the complainer, give TRex a break. He needs some downtime too. Maybe you haven’t read all of his previous posts on Bushco. and Iraq?
TRex @ 107
Not wounded at all – just the beauty of the thing and the fact that I just bought a new phone having switched to T-mobile from Verizon, doesn’t make this an especially sweet subject for me – that on top of a really rough day at work, and oh ya, the “speechifying” that we just went through. But, if you’d prefer that I head downstairs, I’m outa here.
keeriste…
(zooming in real lite like – just a quick ‘bam’ and I’m out)
You do know that Apple v. M$ is the equivalent of ‘progressinve Dem v. Bu$hCo thuglicans, right?
anyway, if I can save, I’ll be able to afford either the closest proximation to a DynaBook yet devised, or maybe a refurb MacBook. I’ll let the chips fall where they may.
Now – has anyone seen this:
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/o…..431024.htm
[quote]”The President has asked us to send more of our brave young men and women into harm’s away, against the advice of his generals and the Iraq Study Group. Americans across our nation – Republican and Democrat – agree that is unacceptable.” – Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C.[/quote] apologies of previously posted. I didn’t know Heath was anti-war.
oh. Troops Home NOW
iMpeach NOW.
Which cell phone company is safe from the NSA?
TRex @ 106
Right now, anything would be an improvement over more reminiscing on Dubya’s latest verbal diarrhea attack.
However, just to play the cynic here, I maintain that technology peaked with the Banana Junior 6000.
Richmond @ 107
The first time I met Deval Patrick was at a local candidate forum more than a year before the election. We were in the middle of collecting the sigs for this and i asked him his opinion of it and would he support it if elected. He thought it not legal and then hemmed and hawed. Wanted to talk with me more about it. Asked for my contact info. Never called. I’ve met him 3 times since and he remembers me from that.
Don’t think we can get the leg. to do this on their own, though. Even though the dems rule MA, many of them are old school conservative dems. Perhaps I might want to get back in touch with the guys who started the campaign and see if they plan any follow-up. Hmmmm. . . .
proshubbies are picking up on CNN… 24% approval now…
for what it’s worth (Reuters):
SEN. BARACK OBAMA, DEMOCRAT OF ILLINOIS, LIKELY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
“I did not see anything in the speech or anything in the runup to the speech that provides evidence that an additional 15-to-20 thousand more U.S. troops is going to make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that’s taking place there and I didn’t see any political strategy in the president’s remarks.”
Mary McCurnin @ 115
TCAAS – (Tin-Can-and-A-String
Not you, Richmond! And talking about the Nat’l Guard is not considered OT. I was just referring to the people who have taken it upon themselves to screech at us for our choice of topic. As far as I’m concerned they can go lick a dog’s ass until it bleeds. We’ve all known since SUNDAY what Bush was going to say tonight. They’ve leaked this story so much that he could have skipped the speech with no discernable effects.
But, no, you can stay, of course.
SharonW >
If you go back to the late 1970`s and read the press, Steve Jobs stated time & time again that his model for Apple was, at that time, Sony & he has continued to repeat it when asked.
Apple`s best days are ahead of it.
“Mac OSX is Linux with quality assurance and style” – JP Rangaswami
daCascadian @ 111
not a question of believing or not
you aren;t talking about a hack you are talking about a crack
it’s not about what can and can’t be done it’s about the philosphy, if they make a closed system then you are stealing if you crack it
that makes fewer people develope
as I said, I lost all respect for jobs
Blank Kludge @ 113
check with smalldog.com. They usually sell refurbished macs.
Sometimes after hours of sitting on my poor sore butt in front of the computer and tired of holding that radiating phone next to my head I long for the old days of three channels on the TV and a phone you couldn’t take to the grocery store.
Richmond @ 113
Richmond, I don’t think that TRex was speaking to you. Your question about the Natl guard was a good one, and had several informative replies. “Off-topic” is okay and welcome at Late Nite- I think it was the complaint that “we” are not concerned about Iraq that TRex was responding to.
Blank Kludge @ 114
Hadn’t seen that. What may be an even bigger surprise is that Mister DLC, Tom Vilsack, pooh-poohed the
surgeescalation idea big-time today:http://desmoinesregister.com/a…..1001/ent05
Of course, almost simultaneously some other DLC flack explained that we should give useless war a chance.
Mary McCurnin @ 124
Then again, you get there and forgot what you were supposed to buy and you had no way to call home so someone could read you the list! ;-#
Richmond @ 103
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. The House legislation on ethics reform targets travel paid for by lobbyists and AIP*C is part of the crowd lobbying to keep that from happening. But the legislation doesn’t address what you’re bringing up, Richmond. Sibol Edmonds and others have written extensively about this problem. Steny Hoyer used the current regs to use AIP*C related money to brief new Dem congressmen and women on the Lik*d party line right after the election. It is a serious problem, but to make headway, we need to approach it generically, rather than by targeting any specific PAC, no matter how egregious their conduct
appears to have beenis.Mary McCurnin @ 114
No guarantees for any of them, but Working Assets is a progressive Co and they say they don’t give their records to anyone. period. Also a percentage of their profits go to progressive orgs. They use the Sprint network. We finally switched to them from Verizon. Service has been about the same, no noticeable dip in coverage. Between Verizon’s corp. giving to repugs and their efforts to fight net neutrality I had to switch.
“Mac OSX is Linux with quality assurance and style” – JP Rangaswami
JP Rangaswami is an idiot with a computer and delusions of grandeur.
Aw. I just got a call from a listener who’s new in town and wanted to thank me for doing such a lovely show tonight. That’s really sweet.
Okay, I’m outta here. I’m STARVING so I may jump in on fixing myself some dinner when I get home, but then I’ll be back.
Richmond @ 102
There are already laws against federal officials taking anything from so-called agents of a foreign power.
The question about A*P*C and their ilk is that they describe themselves as representing US Jewish voters’ interests. Proving that they are agents of a foreign government is quite another matter.
Cheers.
Richmond @ 119
I’m sure darkblack could shatter your illusions on that hope…
Richmond @ 127
But that is okay. Not being connected to a battery or wall socket in some way is for me a restful, blissful time.
Those considering cellphone “issues” should know about these two websites & what they enable you to do about/with your contract, phone, provider, service etc.
Room to move might be one way to say it.
CellSwapper
and
CellTrade
“Fire is the test of gold; adversity, of strong men.” – Seneca
Thanks E.T. Generically works – among other places the island (forgot the name) in the Pacific where the Repugs got caught with forcing girls to work for dirt and get abortions if pregnant. There might also be some opposition for other reasons to Chinese and Saudi lobbying to Congress. Isn’t this what Diplomats were supposed to do in earlier times.
Richmond, I think the islands are the Marianna’s?
Call me a Luddite. I hate cell phones. I have one for emergencies only. I don’t want to know who is calling me, who has called me, when they called, or whether or not this or that person called. It takes all the mystery out of things. And I’m already bombarded with too much information as it is. Also, they chain people to their jobs that they might otherwise be able to escape from now and then.
And, actually, I’m pretty computer-literate, but I really, really hate cell phones.
And I’m just expressing my personal opinion. No offense to the excellent author. I am just utterly weird that way, I guess.
Suzanne @ 137
Of course, Thanks (really rough day!)
That iphone is gorgeous! Wonder how long the battery lasts? The touch screen worries me a bit. I once heard a voice in my office only to discover my cel phone in my sport coat pocket had dialed 911 on it’s own. *s* Don’t want a repeat of that!
I can hear Patsy Stone now. Is it a bee? Oh, it’s a small shoe.
Since I don’t need a cel phone I would much rather have an ipod with a bunch of patrick Rex famous gospel collection loaded on it.
I would rather walk barefoot on hot coals every single day than give up Mac.
Great taste TRex!
Richmond @ 136
The Commonwealth of the Mariana Islands. Saipan, Tinian, Rota (?). The Commonwealth of Guam is nearby and has a few more rights. After my wife, the most beautiful (human) woman I ever met was Guamanian.
neurophius @ 94
As I remember it, shortly after this discussion they also went into the fact that we can barely scrape together 21,500 troops, yet GW is talking about opening up a whole new front in Iran and Syria. The comment was “pathetic!” And I must say, can anyone tell me what we have done so far that the “terrorists” wouldn’t have wanted us to do? Spin our waste in Iraq, wasting our troops, our armaments, our time, our money to the point that we’re depleted. Check, check and soon to be checkmate.
Ed*ard Teller @ 141
How many beautiful
nonhuman women have you met?
mandrake @ 138
I felt the same way until my teenage daughter ended up getting left at the wrong depot of the city bus station (by the bus driver) and we spend a couple of harrowing hours trying to figure out what happened. Plus, they have NO excuse not to let you know where they are an when they will be home. Plus in Africa where I work alot the regular phone systems…well there generally aren’t any.
Leftist @
51
Is it possible to hire you to perform at parties?
You seem like a real fun guy.
mandrake @ 138
I hate them for two reasons. First, I hate driving behind cars whose drivers are talking on them. They inevitably slow down and stop paying attention to the road. I don’t want to be one of those people, and I already have enough stuff I have to setup/takedown so I don’t care if I can turn the ringer off. Second, it’s just another chance for annoying people to call me.
Cisco just sued Apple over the iPjone name, which they have been using for a while now. They were evidently in negotiations with Apple right up until Job’s Stevenote. and I guess he jumped the gun ….
OT (like most everything else I have added tonight) – but did you read that Harold Ford was just named DCC head (via Huffington)?
Richmond @
90
I think the Pres trumps governors anymore, as of the Oct 26/06 the Nation Defense Measures Act. Some analysis here.
Used ta have a cell phone- my boss required it. When we sold the company- I threw the thing as far as I could- and never looked back.
Ed*ard Teller @ 128
ET- thanks again for your reasoned comments on the AIP*C issue. This can get so inflammatory, so quickly, if not addressed in a careful way. And, you are always careful. The more I look at it, the more I see a bad influence on US politics via AIP*C. Donors to AIP*C were also a major $$ source in Lieberman’s campaign. You did not say this- someone else did- that AIP*C represents the interests of Jewish voters in the US. Not so. Perhaps a certain pro-Likud contingent. But, one of my dearest friends escaped from Nazi Berlin and possibly identifies himself as a “secular” Jew- and he has nothing but criticism for the current Israeli government.
Crisco just suet Apple?
Ann in AZ @ 141
What I haven’t heard is anyone ridiculing the stupid “jobs” program for what it is. It’s like journalists don’t do math, period. There are about 12 million people of working age in Iraq. There’s roughly 40% unemployment. That means there are roughly five million people in need of work. After subtracting administrative overhead and the payoffs, there’s going to be about $1 billion left. That’s $200 per person, maybe a couple of months of wages, at most.
It may keep a few people off the streets, but not by much, and not for long. And with the record of bombings of people standing in line waiting to put in job applications, how long will that program last?
RevDeb >
You can also buy refurb Apple products from the Apple online store. Go there and scroll down and look on the righthand side for a red tag that says “SAVE” & click on it. You will then be on the refurb page w/a list of available products that changes day to day. Keep watch for your desired item. There is also a page for Educational customers that qualify for that discount.
Oh, and “perris”, get a life. You are in way over your head on this one.
“There is no such thing as inaccuracy in a photograph. All photographs are accurate. None of them is the truth.” – Richard Avedon
Oh T-Rex I thought I was the only one lusting after the Nokia swivel phone, now it’s in pink OMG!!! I know it probably won’t work with Cingular but I was gonna buy it anyway. I visit the website at least once a week.
But now… OMG I need the iPhone. If you travel enough on business this is just what the doctor ordered. Right now I am in a hotel room with a laptop, Razr, Hand-held-piece-of-shit from HP with a lost stylus and an iPod. And all of the fucking chargers – it’s like being an electronic mule. If it has GPS I shall die…
Carry on
EvilDrPuma @ 143
In 1998, I was writing a song with Mary Oliver’s poem “A Meeting” as the lyric. Oliver doesn’t say so in the poem, but her subject is a pregnant river otter. She observes it as it gives birth and nurtures the pup. I had a hard time composing the song. But in late March, I spotted a river otter near an unnamed creek on the north side of our lake. She was pregnant. Every few days, if the wind was right, I’d go to a hill where I could watch her.
I didn’t see the birth, but she had two pups, and they were a sight. Watching her tend them in the early spring weather made me cry more than once. I realized Mary Oliver’s line
she is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen
was unutterably true. The song was finished quickly at that point.
Mocha Dem @ 154
You are right. And the chargers OMG – why the Hell doesn’t someone come out with a universal charger for small objects with diff nibs (i.e. like we have for foreign travel)?
Richmond @ 148
You mean DLC head, right? Yeah – interesting.
I’m not too surprised by that, though. He’s “centrist” on so many issues. I wonder what the impact will be for the Hilary crowd. Looks like it’s a calculated move to help her.
Richmond @ 148
That is just so wrong.
Way OT – Cat Power and Jack White are fantastic on Austin City Limits tonight.
Fiyero @ 157
Thanks – Yes DLC. And the article hints that that is a factor, also interesting way to set up Ford (Clinton supporter) against Obama. NOthing left to chance in that crowd.
protesters outside the white house getting really LOUD.
OldCoastie @ 161
Source?
Suzanne @ 95
Mary McCurnin @ 152
sorry, guess my earlier comment got lost in the heat of the posting earlier…. yes, cisco is suing apple – cisco has been distributing its own iphone since last month.
Valley Girl @ 162
CNN… wonder if it is a repeat? Larry King interviewing Obama…
Richmond @ 157
Ta-dahhhhh!
OldCoastie @ 160
Good!
OldCoastie @ 164
it is a repeat.
darn… wouldn’t it be nice if they stayed all night and just got louder and louder until morning?
keep poor shrub up all night.
Okay, I admit I skipped the speech. Now I’m surfing the news sites, and EVERY photo of Bush, even the one of Faux News, makes him look like a deer-in-the-headlights not-ready-for-primetime doofus. Did he look like that for the whole speech?
Frank Probst @ 168
Yup.
Richmond @ 144
I’m speaking strictly as a non-parent. In an increasingly dangerous world, I’m sure I’d want my kids to have one if I had any.
For those of you lusting after the iPhone but probably won`t get one since you already have a nice cell phone & service contract, you might want to look at the Nokia 770 which runs Linux (another robust operating system unlike the crappy M$WhineDoze) or maybe the N800
Lots of neat gear coming.
“… having a job destructively interferes with work…” – jimfl
mandrake @ 138
I’m a techie with over 25 years in the computer industry and I detest cell phones. Won’t have one! Not even for emergencies.
My reasoning is cultural. I refuse to surrender to the cultural (and corporate) mandate that I’m at the beck and call of anyone, anywhere, anytime.
I call bullshit!!!
I like to use technology. I don’t like technology to use me!
RevDeb @ 123
Yes.
It’s the ’saving’ part, though. ;0
That PB 1400 ha sthe best keyboard you know. Load WriteNow and you got a sweet word processing machine.
Frank Probst @
169
See C&L’s latest post for how even Brit Hume is finding it increasingly hard to be an apologist for this loser.
What Mad Dogs said! The best thing about cel phone ownership is throwing it away!
Mad Dogs @ 172
Point of reason here! TURN THE DAMN THING OFF AND NO ONE CAN CALL YOU!!!! (p.s. I use mine about once every 2-3 weeks in the U.S., so it won’t bother you unless you 1) give out your phone number and/or 2) let it. :-#
Mocha Dem @
155
Mocha D!!! WHERE have you BEEN??!!
*huge smooch*
Blank Kludge >
WriteNow was such a nice piece of software as was NisusWriter.
“Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean.” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
If I don’t get off of this computer my head will splode.
oooops…..
Mad Dogs >
Well, they DO have power switches for you to use should you choose to do so.
Your choice.
“All animals except Man know that the ultimate purpose of life is to enjoy it” – Samuel Butler
TRex rocks, great post as usual. Oh, and my order from the Baklava Factory came today…mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You’re my hero for finding that place. I got the assorted tray and I am in heaven.
OK now to my wanna haves: 1 the old DAYTIMER back where you can print out your addresses into nice sheets of paper in a binder. (someone bought them and there is nothing out there I know of); 2) a new version of Word that allows me to use the “reveal codes” so I can actually fix my text when it gets messed up with mistake function keys/codes. Those two, and I am pretty golden.
Uhhh, this isn’t their first. They kinda invented them.
kriz_riktr @ 184
Oh thats right! I forgot about that thing. Wasnt it called the Newton or something?
Ed*ard Teller @
156
Oh, ET. I love you.
Richmond >
That would be a gold mine for the folks that would do it.
Hmmm, wonder who owns that intellectual property & what it might be worth…
“Once you start a project, amazing people start to join” – Major Nate Allen (U.S. Army)
Off to attempt to sleep again. Thanks guys, I’m less irritated now & and it probably makes more sense than booze at this time of night!
{{ET sheds tear toward Georgia. thanks, dinodog}}}}}}
montag @ 153
Well, my point was that all the while that this administration has been telling us that we must fight the terrorists over there so that we don’t have to fight them here, and that the terrorists want us to leave, we have been serving their purpose. Not only are we expending all of our resources on futility, but beside that, we make a great recruitment campaign and great targets, and to what end? Do we think if both Sunnis and Shia hate us, they’ll somehow hate each other less?
But I agree with your analysis that our idea of a jobs program for Iraqis is senseless and a total waste considering how few it will help and how much our own contractors have already looted in war profiteering. I do agree that we need to pay some sort of war reparations to help them get on their feet, but unfortunately, who do we trust to see that the money goes to the populace that needs it and not just more corrupt officials? These are really heavy problems. Luckily, although we don’t know what all the answers are, we know what the answers are not, and that’s more troops. Bush may not know it yet, but he’s already had his last chance. From here on, though, I think it’s baby steps. We can’t start giving them $ until they get their security situation under control.
OT – and for those still awake at the Lake – (and sorry, I like the iPhone and Macs in general a lot but can’t yet justify shelling out $500 for a ton of beautiful features I don’t need…yet)…
Howard Fineman sub-heading on Shrub’s speech: “…his face showed fear…”
Compare that to Fineman’s response earlier tonight to KO’s terrific graphics-aided Countdown rant: “Wow – hi Keith!”
Richmond @ 177
I do get the humor of your response, but even then, I refuse to bow before the cell phone gods. :-)
Once you start down that slippery path (i.e. I’ve got a cell phone and here’s my number), and you turn it off, folks who call later complain that they can’t get you, they leave you endless voicemail messages, they begin to blame you the victim for being unavailable…etc.
Soon you find find that your life, perhaps even the life of the entire world rests on being available to anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Call me a cell phone techno-curmudgeon (Luddite is so 19th century), but I ain’t gonna surrender!
And you can’t make me! First you gotta find me and then you gotta get a hold of me. No GPS on me! Na-na-na!
Well mary, get off the internet. What is it you people giving more attention to a fucking electronic device than common sense deserves. Speak reality in what ever form takes.
Harold Ford to head DLC, per HuffPost
TeddySanFran @ 194
Apparently, Tom Vilsack was too much of a radical hippie.
TeddySanFran @ 194
Ouch!
Good catch, TSF
Has anyone done an OCR scan on the image of his draft memo to the DLC?
steelthing @ 193
Now that’s a really effective way to win friends and influence people.
Don’t I recall steelthing turning up before? And wasn’t it an asshole then, too?
I don’t get it. We all knew the President was going to make a speech tonight. We all knew what he was going to say. We all knew that it was going to be a worthless pile of dreck. Did people think that he was going to have some kind of eleventh hour change of heart and come out and say, “Listen, y’all. I been thinkin’ about it an’ I decided that we’re brinin’ the troops home tomorrow. We’re starting right away. Fuck it. I made a mistake. War’s over. No work tomorrow. We’re gonna take a day off to plan the coming-home party. And that’s an executive order.”?
I wrote about the iPhone tonight because it’s interesting to me. There’s a post right below this one where the President’s speech is still being discussed. I busted ass over my post last night, spent HOURS on it, so I kind of wanted to keep it light tonight.
Am I fired?
TRex >
Nope.
Gotta try way harder than that.
“The inaudible and noiseless foot of Time” – William Shakespeare
Yahoo
Why do I get the feeling that in spite of the election, Democrats are going to roll over on this esurgulation?
TRex @ 200
You’re right, the issue is a dead horse being flogged and we needed a late night post light on politics after such a heavy evening of Presidential stupidity. Decompression is needed, you provided it. That guy’s a putz, forget him.
Youre not fired, put the family pictures back on your desk.
It’s your last fuckin’ shot, Sparky.
It appears the Dems are going to have to roll over because the troop escalation has already begun.
Richmond @ 183
Ah, a fellow WordPerfect fan? *g*
Supposedly the next version of Word (and other Office products) will have a new XML-based file format. It may be incredibly verbose, but it also should be readable (at least with a decent XML formatter/editor), so it may be possible to solve the “reveal codes” problem that way.
TRex @ 199
no
fucking
way!
By the time any Dems get around to passing legislation rolling back the surge he will have shuffled 20k of them into Baghdad. All our folks can do is control the purse strings. Those kinds of things take time to roll back that way.
steelthing @ 193
Hey steelthing,
You have my admiration for your dynamite donations to the FDL Washington DC trip for the Libby trial! Kudos!
I know some folks flamed you but I’m not gonna do that.
I’m gonna just quietly explain why this thread is kosher just the way it is.
Couple points here:
1. We all vent and rage at the injustice, dishonor, lies and downright evil that engulfs our world daily. Most of us do that in the eloquent posts during the day.
2. Late Nite at FDL has traditionally been the time to post our snark, humor, crazy insane gossip and to generally howl at the moon.
If you add 1 plus 2 above, you get a fix on the fact that at different times and in different places, we all are different folks.
Perhaps you weren’t aware of this, and if that’s the case, no harm, no foul.
Oh BTW, there’s nothing that is OT here, so if you do want to rant about AIDS in Africa or some other valued topic, jump right in!
My tongue was tucked very far into my cheek when I wrote that.
I am not all that excited about new technology, but I have no problem with TRex’s choice of topic tonight. The preznit’s squalling and grunting was discussed exhaustively below. And nobody gets yelled at for being off topic during Late Nite (well, as long as they are polite). Besides, obviously nobody is being forced to hang around here against their will
TRex is the thunder lizard of the blogosphere.
TRex @ 199
Out of a cannon in a big pink David Byrne suit, sunshine
;>)
…So, is Bush going to bring back the press gang to make the nut on 20K , or what?
TRex @ 199
I’m not a proctologist, and I suspect that even if I were I wouldn’t want to talk about assholes all the time. If you want to talk about cell phones, go ahead. We’ve had whole conversations about stupid cat videos, for crying out loud.
Sorry if I’m sounding negative, but I’m really not. I just didn’t feel like arguing with drive bys.
As your mom might say, TRex, “Good choice for a change, son.”
The first digital watches cost hundreds of bucks, those bucks now worth thousands. Now they make them for 7 cents 2007 which would have been .05 cent then. People talked here about early Macs they paid $3000 in 1984 for, that are now best used now as post-Yuppy doorstops. And I was tempted to start a movement early in the thread to raise money for your dream phone. I forgot. My disappointment was that nobody seemed to even know wtf an Osborne computer was.
Never had a cell phone. The thought of paying for incoming calls was the deciding negative. Like I want to pay for incoming junk mail or spam. I pay for the incoming call and the caller pays for calling me.
As it is now my landline gets up to 10 robocalls a day. Don’t ya just love it when someone from halfway around the world calls to talk mortgage rates, or free insurance quotes?
On another mindless materialism front, here’s my second t-shirt attempt. (It’s more than one color! Look closely at the dots on the i’s.)
(For further explanation see here and the main post above that inspired it.)
Once I have a final design (or someone more graphically inclined comes up with a better one), I may petition our theropod host for permission to use “Late Night FDL” and the official logo on the back.
Looks like bushie has figured out a way to make money off airport security.
sorry trex, my tongue in cheek detector appears to have BSoD – must be da code i habe. on the other hand, maybe it is just the lack of an external tongue examining the interior of my cheek that is the cause.
I remember those. They stored data on cassette tapes like the TRS-80, didn’t they?
Absolutely not. I forbid it. People have much better things to spend their money on. Donate it to EFF. They’re taking Spocko’s case!
TRex @ 216
That’s awesome! When did this happen?
Redshift @ 215
OMG! I love it!
We should have a logo contest.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 218
Not sure. I am hoping to do a Spocko update tomorrow night. Although I think charges are about to be brought against one of the players in the Litvinenko case.
I may have to find a way to do a couple of posts tomorrow.
TRex >
…Am I fired?
Course not, TRex! It’s just that I couldn’t afford both, so I had to choose a land based phone so I’d have the ability to fax. So I have nothing to say about cell phones; had to give my one and only cell phone up for financial reasons. So I’m still stuck on politics, or I’d have nothing at all to talk about.
Go Spocko! I hate that I just had fun at Disneyland. Now I need to make up for it with a donation to his lawyers.
A week or so ago.
Anyway, Hugh Hewitt suggested that if we dropped a million of these iPhones on Baghdad, we’d end the insurgency. Hugh Hewitt, of course, is a jackass.
Mad Dogs @
207
…to the tune of $6k if I recall correctly. not that it buys anything but our profound gratitude, but I remain impressed. (I’m late to the thread, so this is out of context.)
Cujo359@ 210–
Most proctologists that I know just want to talk about boobies and pecs and the stock market… depending on their orientation and business savvy.
they never, ever talk about a**holes.
now, I do know something about fiber- optic endoscopes and too much about a**holes, I will be available for discussion at any time, preferably after we IMPEACH this bunch and have proceedings against them at the Hague!
;)
Rahm is on Charlie Rose now saying “I don’t think we are losing we are just not winning.”
That, in a nutshell, is how Dems gain ownership of this fiasco!
TRex @ 218
*blush* Cool!
Since there was a request from our more budget-minded firepups, I added a $0.99 mini-button, too. (Also good for people like Ms. Redshift who don’t wear light-colored t-shirts.)
I managed to avoid becoming a YouTube addict, but this CafePress thing may ensnare me yet…
Ed*ard Teller @ 211
Sorry, ET, missed that one. For a while, I really wanted to get one of those. Thankfully, I couldn’t afford it at the time. I say thankfully, because the PC came out not too long after, and I ended up buying one of the early Compaqs.
In between there was the Color Computer, and yes, TRex, it used a cassette recorder as its storage device.
Hard to believe, kids, but the Osborne was the “future of computing” at one time, and it actually was a good machine for its time. It was one of the first really practical portable computers.
Thers @
222
How about a million gallons of clean water? A million seconds of continuous electricity? A million milligrams of penicillin?
Oh, what’s the use. We’re talking about Hugh Hewitt.
I wish Grover Norquist would give Rahm Emanuel a bath.
Hi everyone…. just came back from a combined DFA and PDA meeting tonight. We met together to have two of the candidates for AZ state democratic party speak.
I need some help on how I can catapult this AZ race for state party chair so that the progressive have a majority of the elected positions. We have candidates. Right now with the high news cycle, how can I get the word out about our fine candidate for AZ state party chair who wants to pattern Deans 50 state strategy within each district in AZ?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 224
Well, I suppose in a way he’s right. If we won, how would we even know?
no offense intended but i just want you folks to remember that not all of our brethen are allowed a voice via the internet or any other way of comunication. They suffer daily from all sorts of discrimination because they are merely poor and cannot speak as loudly as we that can afford to.
ewwwewweee on your last thought, TRex @ 227.
More bleach, please!
But hell yeah on your other thoughts about basic services and survival for the Iraqis.
Clusterfuck fishin for a door out–one way is dems tell him they won’t fund his surge- then when things go further to hell- he says- “told ya so”
The other possibility is that Maliki won’t do what he says he will- giving Clusterfuck another excuse- so at least he gets off the hook.
Oh Good Lord !
An unprotected touch screen on a mobile phone. Have those guys at Apple ever heard of those things called … keys ?
Touch screen, meet keys. Keys,
meetscratch touch screen.Cujo359 @ 229
We would have been greeted as liberators with candy and flowers! You know, like they promised….. Boosh, Dick, Wolfowitz, Perle, Friedman, Judy, etc. AD NAUSEUM.
katymine @ 229
Can’t precinct committeemen (and women) help you there?
steelthing @ 230
I understand, but please don’t ever think that I am ignorant of the poverty problem on this planet or that I don’t care. This was just the topic I chose to write about tonight. Keep reading and I will probably hit something you care deeply about very soon.
steelthing @ 230
Damn straight.
Goodnight, FDL.
Anne in AZ… there will be a radio interview on Saturday on the Phoenix Air America and I have paid for announcements on too but we do not have local blog presence and wondered if and how we can bring this to light in such a high news cycle?
The two progressive groups have been meeting for months working on getting just the right candidates for state wide party offices, currently we have such a BIG DLC invasion here…. everyone has been great about suggestions in the past!
Hugh Hewitt, a.k.a. “Spewitt”
Sorry FDL,
But no. Jobs is claiming 200 patents which he will actively enforce, the thing doesn’t even support 3G, which is another thing the Japanese are kicking our ass in, and finally its just a trojan to seduce you into the iTunes ring of DRM control. Believe me you don’t want it. Japan has way cooler stuff that we don’t have only because of the monopoly controls in the US of media and telephone networks. The cool stuff won’t get here until we reform these loser companies.
goodnight darkblack and goodnight FDL!
If I can slumber, I will dream of justice and impeachment and trials at the Hague.
Osbornes, early Mac, the newest hi-tech iPhones, sheesh!
I have you all beat. After my shoulder surgery last month, I got to order the latest in what I need, to continue to do my job through the late winter and spring. The first strap, for trombone has a great video.
WARNING – Spew Alert
http://www.ergobone.com/mainpage.html
http://www.neotechstraps.com/p…..CT_SUB_ID=
steelthing @ 231
I will apologize for my heated comments toward you earlier, but I’m one of the poor you speak of. I have sacrificed a lot in order to ensure I have a means to speak for my poverty stricken brothers and sisters. I don’t eat out, I don”t own a car, I don’t go anywhere, do anything or spend any superfluous money so I can afford the cable modem I use to work on citizen media projects so that a poor voice is heard.
I’ll keep remembering my poor bretheren until I die, its who I am and where I came from. You keep in mind that sometimes us poor people lust after electronics and like to have silly conversations to relieve the stress of being poor and not being able to afford them. This includes poor NPR station employees who suffer discrimination for loving his brothers a little more than his sisters in private.
Your thoughts are welcome and appreciated, just try not to be scolding when reminding us where our hearts should be.
TRex @ 237
Thank you for your understanding. I know from personal experience that people are not heard from due the lack of internet, cell phone, and even basic phone service. They simply cannot be heard from and they are hurting.
steelthing @ 231
No offense taken here by me, and I agree with your point about those that have not.
The list of stuff that the poor most often appallingly lack include:
Technology
Healthcare
Education
Clothing
Shelter
Food
And many times other sundry and nebulous stuff like:
Hope
A Chance
Being poor ought to be a crime…a crime that is charged against the society that allows poor folks to exist.
Being a slowly ageing sauropod out of sync with one more collapsing world – challenging.
Being TRex at fdl latenight – always priceless!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 244
no scolding intended. I am speaking simply from my own experience with people who have no voice. No health insurance, no insurance that thier children will be properly educated, no nothing! These are my friends and they have no voice. perhaps if cell phones or computers were available to them then they could let thier voices be heard.
steelthing @ 231
What makes you think we can all afford our computer service. I can’t really afford this, but I do it anyway, ‘cuz I need some fun in life. I live on a fixed income from disability, and believe me it’s barely enough to get by on. My medical bills, even with medicare and insurance, are killing me. Literally, I think, because last month I fell into the donut hole that Congress created when they did us poor folk the tremendous favor of adding prescription drugs to the Medicare program, and I’d only been on medicare since last May. So I did without some of my drugs (any that I couldn’t beg as samples from my doctors) during most of December, when the pharmacy told me they’d cost $350 plus instead of the usual $156 co-pay. Most often, as a friend of mine once said, I’ve given up trying to make ends meet. Now I just try to make sure there’s a reasonable gap. So I don’t go anywhere or do anything. But at least I can maintain some communication with the rest of the world with my computer. I can sometimes pick up some limited consulting work from home on my computer. That’s how I justify it. And now you’re gonna preach to me?
steelthing @
231
Hi Steelthing,
Good to see you again. My, you do have a gift for the dramatic entrance ; )
I think most of us are at this point bone tired and numb from the buildup and then the speech. It was liveblogged on two threads here (neurophilus’ job on the Surge thread set an industry standard, IMO) and commented on and retched at and our heads exploded and I think we are just exhausted. We’ll go back and save the world as hard as we can tomorrow but not any more today, please.
But the miminum wage law passed, did you see? Hurray! We are helping to stop wealth flowing up and sticking there, but it’s gonna take a while, and we gotta treat this as a marathon, not a sprint.
And with that, I’m gonna take my kittycat and head to bed. ‘Night, all you Firedogs.
Heck I got all that stuff and I’m still so broke I can barely pay attention…
bang-up job by neurophius, live-blogging Shrubya a few threads ago. he managed to stay in character (mostly :~)
Good night, HotFlash and kitty!
Digby’s got a new post up that’s worth a read, along with his three links. Stark and frightening…and enlightening as well.
katymine @ 239
I know that I did some work for the Pederson campaign before the election, and that most of the people I met at the Youngtown office seemed to be progressives. I have a few names of some people who might be able to give you some suggestions. In my most recent previous comment, you can see that I don’t get around much, but my you can e-mail me at hines80583 at cox dot net and I’ll give you the few contacts I have.
WASHINGTON // The thousands of troops that President Bush is expected to order to Iraq will join the fight largely without the protection of the latest armored vehicles that withstand bomb blasts far better than the Humvees in wide use, military officers said.
Vehicles such as the Cougar and the M1117 Armored Security Vehicle have proven ability to save lives, but production started late and relatively small numbers are in use in Iraq, mostly because of money shortages, industry officials said.
More than 1,000 American troops have been killed by roadside bombs since the war began in March 2003. At present there are fewer than 1,000 of the new armored trucks in Iraq. At $500,000 to $700,000 each, they cost more than twice as much as a standard Humvee, but already they are proving their worth.
Bush has had 3 and 1/2 years to do this. Cheney has gone on and on about what the administration is doing to prepare our brave
soldiersfodder for all aspects of their so-called GWOT.We may have to visit another planet to find a curse so awful as to fit these “leaders.”
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne…..-headlines
Nag time TRex: one chapter a week and you’ll have your sexy phone by Christmas next year with the proceeds from your *first* book—and maybe the sexy new boyfriend who you’ll meet at some Borders signing. So much talent…
And that’s it for me. Good night, everyone.
steelthing @ 248
I understand your heart is in the right place, and I commend you for giving a shit when most people don’t. Most of the poor people I personally know don’t feel they can have a voice and consider me a crank for blogging and podcasting.
I would also add that nearly every poor person I know owns a prepaid cell phone because their home phones were disconnected long ago. They also check their email and update their MySpace pages at friends’ houses or the library and generally don’t care about having a political voice. I also know of one coffee shop where the homeless gather to use free wifi on their older, retrieved-from-the-trash laptops much to the chagrin of the owner who is reluctant to run them off despite not making money from their presence.
Mad Dogs @ 246
All of this is painfully true. We here in America (the strongest, greatest country on earth) should be able and willing to do better– but we don’t.
Interesting that the hierarchy of need is cleverly turned upside down in your post. That is the crux of the matter, isn’t it? I think we pay far too little attention to basic needs and services and make the good stuff what we want and need. What we all (as humans) need and want is security, food, shelter, water, clean air and health.
That includes Iraqis, Americans, Sudanese, Afghans, Lebanese, Mexicans, Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Kurds, Turks, Rwandans, South Africans, Chinese, North Koreans, South Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Germans, Spaniards, the French and the Swiss.
You are a peach, Mad Dogs.
Ann in AZ—I hear you.
TRex, it sounds like you’re looking for the lovely designs of an Art Deco powder compact PLUS the versatility of all the stuff the iPhone does.
Plus a Faberg egg. ;)
TRex @
199
NO. You get a raise!
Ann in AZ @ 249
Please do not take my comments to mean that I am preaching to those of you who have computers or other services at their disposal to voice opinions but I am aware of those who are not afforded that luxury and there are many. I am from the Midwest and I see the struggle everyday for those who have no voice or seem to think so against the tyranny of the rich.
Th-th-that’s all, folk! Time for beddy bye. Have a nice night.
Redshift @
214
Yay! I want one.
Th-th-th that’s all, folks. Time for beddy bye. Have a nice night!
steelthing, I’m from Indianapolis and in the same boat as Ann in AZ and see the same kinds of folks you are talking about. I am one of those folks you’re talking about. I reclaimed my voice because it was important to me to do so. Other poor folks could do the same but choose not to. That’s fine, that’s their choice. At least I am here to provide the poor person point of view.
It is our jobs as progressives to provide voice for the voiceless, on this we can agree. Just never forget some of those voiceless wish that some of us with the loudest voices would shut the fuck up despite our best efforts. Know for whom you are advocating before opening your mouth. Never advocate in generalities, always advocate for specific target constituencies. Saves grief. Just one old warrior to another man, you’re allright in my book.
angie @ 260
Ta Angie!
And blushingly, I must on that note retire for a…catnap?
Woof!
TeddySanFran @ 265
I can’t see the “i” close up. no zoomy.
plus 22 F. seems tropical……
Ed*ard Teller @ 270
Thats about what it is here in Indy. Seems about right finally. It hit 54 on New Year’s Day.
And on that note, I must crash.
Hey, guys. Ace at Ace of Spades has uncovered the latest Big Pajamas Media Expose. Did you know I wrote this post just so I would get my free iPhone?
Neither did I.
Especially when Ace knows that if anyone was going to get fabulous A-list shwag around here, it would clearly be Jane.
daCascadian (moi)>
just to continue beating this “dead horse”, here is word on software development for the iPhone :
“…The only two iPhones at the show were under glass, and Apple representatives said it is a “closed platform”, refusing even to identify the specific processor it uses, and there’s apparently no developer kit for it, though “developers who want to do applications [for the iPhone] are welcome to contact Apple developer relations…”
“…contact Apple developer relations…” is code for “convince us that you are a qualified developer & know what to do with the necessary information”
“Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.” – Helen Keller
TRex @
273
Why do you MAKE me go over there and read their crap just before bedtime??
g’nite, ‘pups & ‘pod
TeddySanFran @
262
Sorry… my excuse is that I don’t know anything about cellphones or apple products, for that matter. Haven’t used one since the Apple II . Frankly, talking about politics is less stressful for me :)
Late nite cookie dump test… http://www.celestinevision.com/insights.html
I want an iPhone…
Stages of Conscious Awakening: http://montalk.net/metaphys/117
I wish some one had warned me like that. Not that it would change anything, but still…
I’m with you, Trex. I want that iPhone. Like I want to take my next breath, like I want to play with babies and puppies and kitties, I want that phone!
But Cingular? Bleh. Maybe in 2008 when the price comes down and there are other carriers to choose from.
For a full list of activities planned for the day after Bush’s announcement, visit:
http://www.americasaysno.org.
For information on the January 27th march on Washington and the January 29th Congressional education day, visit:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org
It is a cute phone, however. Damn, can’t sleep.
Op-Ed Contributor
War’s Rorschach Test
By DANIELLE TRUSSONI
Providence, R.I.
MY father once told me that he and his mother read the body count in the newspaper together. He didn’t tell me the exact day or time, or precisely where they were when they read it, but I like to imagine that they sat at the long, wooden table in the kitchen of the farmhouse where the Trussoni children, all 12 of them, used to eat. It was only a month or so before my father left for the war, the winter of 1967, a time of year when Wisconsin is cold and harsh and so dismal that the red barn sitting just beyond the house would have appeared as a splotch of divine color in a field of gray.
I imagine my grandmother pressing the sheets of crisp, ink-smeared paper against the grain of the kitchen table. The numbers were there, for both of them to see.
The farmhouse was a narrow stone structure, tall and close fitting, nestled between high bluffs just east of the Mississippi River. Row after row of corn and tobacco undulated from the back of the house, rising and falling with the curvature of the land. Like the rest of America, the family got its news from a black and white Zenith television set and the local paper.
Reading the body count in the paper was my father’s way of preparing for the war. The American dead, the Vietnamese dead, the Communist dead, each group had its own tally. Similar body counts were broadcast on the nightly news, and he would watch the images of fighting, trying to anticipate his own fate.
But my grandmother, I imagine, read the numbers to steel herself against her fourth son’s departure. She had sent three sons to Vietnam already — Richard, Albert and John — and would now send a fourth. A third of her children would be in a war zone and still I imagine she looked much as she did when I knew her: sharp, cool eyes steady, a perennial I’ve-seen-it-all-and-then-some look about her. My grandmother was normally imperturbable, but my father’s draft notice, this fourth boy conscripted, had shaken her.
The numbers signified different things to each of them. By the end of 1967, 15,000 American soldiers had died in Vietnam. For my grandmother this meant that 15,000 other people’s children had died. To my father, the numbers seemed decent odds: Yes, the American troops were losing men, but the Communists were faring much, much worse. Of particular interest were what he called the “kill ratios,” the number of Vietnamese to every American dead. For Dad, the high ratio of Communist casualties was a sign of hope. He believed, he once told me, that the numbers proved that “the good guys” were winning; the numbers, he said, meant that he had a “better shot” than the enemy; the numbers were “on his side.”
Years after his tour, when my father knew just how quickly the numbers could turn — he landed in Vietnam during the Tet offensive and fulfilled his tour during the bloodiest year of the war — he never hesitated to tell me of his swift disillusionment with the numbers. The distinct American advantage in the “kill ratio” said much about winning the battles — it was true, they were killing lots of Vietnamese — but little about winning the war: the Vietnamese were willing to give every man, woman and child for victory, a sacrifice that Americans were simply not prepared to make. In the end, for our 58,000 dead, the casualties on the Vietnamese side were in the millions.
There are no kill ratios in Iraq. We know very little about civilian casualties. But we do know that even as President Bush speaks about a new strategy for the war, more than 3,000 Americans have been killed in four years of fighting. And as I think of those lives cut short, I think of my father and my grandmother on that winter afternoon in 1967, a newspaper open between them, each with their own interpretation.
Perhaps my father is peeling an apple; perhaps he is gazing out the window at the endless frozen cornfields, the pane of glass so thin and ill fitted that a draft of freezing air slips through the kitchen, ruffling the edge of the paper whose reality will soon enough be indisputable.
Danielle Trussoni is the author of “Falling Through the Earth: A Memoir.”
Mornin’ folks!
Some news of the day courtesy of BBC:
The Empire creates its own reality in Irbil:
Note: 0300 in Irbil is 7pm EST.
Obfuscation of an earlier reality continues apace in Somalia:
prostratedragon – both those articles make me want to go back to bed
Mornin’, all -
If you’ve not stopped by Kos yet today, check out a post by BarbinMD http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/11/33541/6805 who has a most excellent slash-and-burn comparison of comments from the speech last nite vs Oct of last year. Nothing we didn’t already know but research the msm is too bloody lazy to do.
Imus is NOT happy with shrubbery this morning ;-)
U.N. backs deployment of troops to Somalia
twolf1 @
285
Sorry. Can’t even figure out a good emoticon for this one. NPR had a bit more on the Irbil story—among other unwelcome details, it seems the U.S. troops had to be Blackhawked out after a standoff with the Kurdish defense force that lasted over an hour.
Maybe a nice brisk walk and some coffee?
twolf1 @
287
It would be a way of getting more eyes on the ground. I don’t know, maybe they should check with Blair on that strategy.
Hey, twolf -
Missed your live blogging last nite; is your visiting family still there?
Waccamaw @ 290
Yeah. Some are just waking up. They are headed out this morning.
Dodd announces run for pres……….per phone call to Imus.
prostratedragon @
288
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Well firepups, it’s already begun. US troops stormed the Iranian diplomatic mission in Kurdish-controlled Irbil last nite, detaining the 5 Iranian “diplomats.” The amurkans pulled down the building’s Iranian flag and handed the building over to Peshmurga troops. Kurdish troops would not allow cameramen and photographers near the building.
The coup d’etat in amurka will stop at nothing to widen the war for resource control.
maybe we’ll see a chimp intervention today… complete with straightjacket and cattle prods….
free iPhone
(link o PDF)
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Kinda. Captures that “knocked silly” on impact feeling with the squeezed-shut eyes, at least. Wish I could rotate a tilde, though.
Good morning, all. In the NYT we have David Brooks (sigh) on Iraq and Bob Herbert pointing out that New Orleans is still there.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Oooh! The Casio watch, the CASIO watch. I traveled often thru Europe back in the days of multiple monetary systems, and THE CASIO WATCH was my salvation in solving exchange rate puzzlements. And for many years Casio repaired the thing for me until one day they told me they had no more spare parts for it. Fortunately, by then the Euro came along. But you could actually work the thing with your index finger. And it told you the time in several time zones, too. What could be better?
300
Crazy Horse–good catch.
Moveon is organizing protests today.
note to CNN’s Miles O’Brien – Lieberman is in no way a Democrat. Please refer to him as Independent only, not dem. slash ind.
CNN – US did not get ANY of the 3 Al Qaeda peeps they targeted in Somalia.
Yea but they muct have been VC, uh, AQ becuase they were there. . .and they are dead.
twolf1 @ 303
twolf1 @ 302
I believe that Lieberman has instructed the media to describe him this way. Just like when Prince became that very cool looking symbol that had no pronunciation and instructed the media to call him “the artist formerly known as Prince”
Of course Joe doesn’t have a cool looking symbol, nor any known brand identity any more. He has left the Dem party and refused to la by it’s primary rules. He is apostate and in infringing on the Dem tradename.
He might as well be trying to pass himself off as Coke, or Pepsi, or Xerox, or IPhone
twolf1 @ 303
Let me put on my “surprise face”.
twolf1 @ 303
oooops…guess that musta just been regular people we killed?
Kentucky Woman @ 306
I did that one too many times and Mom was right, it stuck like that.
rumi @ 307
More murdered civilians. Tell me again,who are the terrorists? If I were a Somali villager, I think I would be more worried about the big black helos than some guy who actually lives down the road from me.
banner on cnn
A senior U.S. official denies that al Qaeda terrorist Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, a suspect in the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa, was killed in a U.S. airstrike on Somalia.
twolf1 @ 303
Somali villager? We WV villagers share that same concern priority.
not-quite-insta blogging Imus this morning:
Imus: the president’s plan is stunning in its idiocy. 26% support this, even the president doesn’t support his own plan. Who are these people?
Russert: this is Bush’s last stand
Plus the talk of “doubling-down”…the poker metaphor. Well here’s a metaphor for ya from me…Bush is bust.
looseheadprop @
306
On Imus, Russert said all the Democrats except Lieberman will likely vote for the resolution.
Note to Russert, note to CNN…J-LIE is no Democrat. His interests are not Democratic interests, his interests are not America’s interests. He is Joe4Joe.
Professor Foland @ 301
Thank you. I’m posting this to my blog and forwarding it to my friends. It’s time to pray for peace with our feet.
The General has some visual aids: http://patriotboy.blogspot.com…..2691093424
daCascadian @ 274
I’m surprised someone wants to tell me to get a life in the face of the clear unmistakeable information.
jobs did the wrong thing, no question about it, first restricting developers from writing software and second telling people which carrier to use
steve has turned into the worst of the worst and he’s lost respect among just about everyone in the tech that I know…make no mistake about that, that figure is a high
big big mistake on the marketing of this piece of hardware, for instance, I would surely have picked one up but there is no way I am going to leave my carrier, in my area sprint is without peer for bandwidth, internet speed when tethered to my laptop, local antenae and price.
don’t know what steve is up to but alienating people like myself is high on his list and he’s done that just fine
Cell phones have their use.. I prefer to make calls and not receive tham… calls invade you being and it is damn annoying.
I keep my off mostly…. forget where it is…
We use Nextel and wifey and I communicate when we shop and go off in different directions… handy for that.
Technology can be a trap.
Ipod I see as a mass storage device as I don’t need to listen to music 24/7… but it would be handy to be able to have our entire collection of music to take with us to the boat for the weekend for example. Who wants to lug CDs around?
Having said that…we can copy our favs and keep a copy on da boat and in da car…Ipod is just (to me) a portable library of music… but silence is so nice too…
I am sooooooooooo weary of pop music screaming at me from everywhere. Rock and roll is turning into a curse… hahaha
I’m going to take note of the ones to send the butcher’s bill as this develops
Don’t Get Too Excited about the President’s Warning to Iran and Syria
Anyone ever hear of some guy named Andy McCarthy?
Hey, those black digital watches were great! The Treo’s got nuthin on it.
Does this have any significance?
looseheadprop @
306
Does Massengill have a symbol? Maybe Joey could borrow it. It’d be perfect!
What George W. Bush could learn from Steve Jobs
Apple only hires designers who love beauty, and that makes all the difference.
What a crock of shit.
If horseshit was electricity, Steve Jobs would be fucking Con Ed.