
Have you seen these two people?
To anyone born in Germany since, oh, 1865 or so (or almost anyone who's taken a German literature course), they are quite familiar faces: Max and Moritz. Wilhelm Busch, their creator, died 99 years ago today, and his work inspired the Katzenjammer Kids, and through them, the entire American newspaper comic strip industry.
In an era when German children's books had titles like "Of Proper Children" and were filled with positive images of obedient little munchkins, Busch presented the complete opposite – juvenile delinquents without peer. He tells his story with rhyming poetry and delightful images, akin to (and perhaps inspiring) what Dr. Seuss would do with words and pictures a century later.
Ah, how oft we read or hear of
Boys we almost stand in fear of!
For example, take these stories
Of two youths, named Max and Moritz,
Who, instead of early turning
Their young minds to useful learning,
Often leered with horrid features
At their lessons and their teachers.
Look now at the empty head: he
Is for mischief always ready.
Teasing creatures – climbing fences,
Stealing apples, pears, and quinces,
Is, of course, a deal more pleasant,
And far easier for the present,
Than to sit in schools or churches,
Fixed like roosters on their perches
But O dear, O dear, O deary,
When the end comes sad and dreary !
'Tis a dreadful thing to tell
That on Max and Moritz fell !
All they did this book rehearses,
Both in pictures and in verses.
Mischief doesn't begin to describe this pair. In the opening scene, they torture and kill a poor widow's beloved rooster and three hens. When the widow discovers her chickens hanging from a tree branch, she weeps and mourns, then brings them in to make herself a feast. She puts them over the fire to roast, then goes down to the cellar to get something. Max and Moritz climb the roof and use a fishing pole to snag the chickens through the chimney, which they proceed to devour. The widow returns to the kitchen, sees the chickens gone, then blames the dog for eating them, beating him with a ladle.
Hmmm … torture, growing fat by stealing from widows, casting the blame elsewhere … sound like anyone you know? Don't answer yet, because this story's just getting started.
They boobytrap a bridge outside the tailor's house, then entice the tailor to chase them by shouting insults at him. He runs onto the bridge, it collapses, he is drenched in the water, and catches cold. They fill their hated teacher's favorite pipe with gunpowder, which explodes in his face. They collect maybugs and put them in their Uncle Fritz's bed, ruining his sleep. They break into the baker's kitchen, looking for sweets, and make a mess of the whole place. They tumble into a trough of dough, just as the baker returns. He takes these two dough-covered boys, fashions them into two boy-shaped loaves, puts them in the oven to bake, then removes the pair to let them cool. But our Anti-Heroes still have their wits about them, and eat their way out of the bread to make their escape.
Wilhelm Busch, meet George Bush.
It is apparent that the folks at BushCo Industries have been taking Max and Moritz as inspirational figures for their hard work of governing. Get what you can while you can, and don't worry about how it affects anyone else. For Max, Moritz, and their cronies at BushCo, it's all about power and the exercise thereof. Just look at a few of the items on the BushCo "Max and Moritz" scorecard:
- Katrina – too many residents of New Orleans are still waiting for substantive help, but don't worry: DHS/FEMA contractors have been taken care of. Handsomely, I might add.
- More than a few 9-11 Commission recommendations remain unaddressed, but don't worry: the markets for quart-sized ziploc bags and 3 oz bottles of lotions, shampoos, and other toiletries have gone through the roof.
- Torture, rendition, and secret prison camps. But don't worry: they're only for the bad guys. Or the people we think are bad guys. Or the people that someone told us were bad guys, after we paid them for every bad guy they brought us. [pdf]
- Disregard for habeas corpus, the Geneva Convention, and the Bill of Rights. Warrants for domestic wiretapping? Don't worry: Max and Moritz didn't need any stinking warrants! (Great links in the last thread to Glenn Greenwald, assuming blogger gets its act together. Thanks, scarecrow.)
- Signing statements that proclaim "I'll do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want, no matter what you say."
- A feast of tax breaks for the wealthy and well connected, and increasingly expensive doughnut holes for the poor widows on Medicare who need prescription drugs.
- Stifling and twisting scientific inquiry at the behest of TheoCon fundamentalists.
- Outing an undercover CIA agent in a fit of personal pique at something her husband wrote, then lying to cover it up.
- K Street shills, earmarks, and all the other pay-for-play games.
Yep – it's Max and Moritz, role models for the Bush Administration.
But if the mischiefmakers at BushCo have read Wilhelm Busch's story and are using it for policy planning, the escape from the baker is probably as far as they got, because at this point things take a turn for the worse for Max and Moritz. You'd think that their close call would have taught them a lesson, but of course it doesn't . . .
Max and Moritz sneak into the farmer's storehouse, and cut slits into sacks of corn. When the farmer picks up a sack, the grain all spills out onto the floor. His anger turns to delight, however, when he spots Max and Moritz, grabs them, and ties them up in a sack. He takes the sack to the miller, has the pair of scoundrels ground up in the mill, and the resulting "grain" is eaten by the miller's ducks. RIP, Max and Moritz.
(Yes, this is a children's story, in the same vein as the old Brothers Grimm children's fairytales. Not the Disneyfied "santized for your protection" Brothers Grimm stories, but the originals with parents that abandon their kids in the woods and with evil creatures that eat little girls and boys.)
Such is the end of Max and Moritz, and there was no grieving in the town at their demise:
Through the place in short there went
One wide murmur of content:
"God be praised! the town is free
From this great rascality!"
After six years of pranks, even DC has had enough. There's a whole raft of farmers and millers, ready to start holding these folks accountable: Waxman (House Oversight and Govt Reform), Conyers (House Judiciary), Skelton (House Armed Services), Lantos (House International Relations), Levin (Senate Armed Services), Leahy (Senate Judicary), Durbin, Feingold, Rockefeller (Senate Intelligence), and a host of Blue America newcomers are anxious to crank up the gristmills for the modern-day mischiefmakers. (Sorry there are only a few links for the Senate committees, but it seems they are still stuck in the 109th Congress on their websites when it comes to their committees – they still show their old GOP chairs!) Abramoff is already in the grinder, along with Ney and Cunningham, but there are plenty more where they came from. Fitz is ready to put Irving into the mill, and who knows what will come out when the gears start to pinch.
Crank up the mills of Congressional Oversight, and bring in the federal juries: Max and Moritz are on their way over.
Rest in peace, Wilhelm; George is making sure your name lives on. While we're at it, let's hear it for other great political cartoonists! San Francisco's Mark Fiore of SFGate is always a lot of fun (do click through his archive – you won't be sorry!), as is Tom Tomorrow . . . and of course, darkblack. If you want to show some love to any of your local favorites, give us a link in the comments.
(h/t to the Department of Foreign Languages at Virginia Commonwealth University for hosting an online version of Max Und Moritz and for providing its translation.)
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fitz
Busch!!!
Not BushCo!!!
Mike Luckovich at the AJC. Always good for infuriating the righties here in Atlanta.
JF @ 3
No doubt, especially the TheoCons with cartoons like this one.
Grinding fine, but exceedingly slow… for us impatient pups!
Thanks, Peterr, for describing the evil rascality so well; sociopathy hasn’t changed much over the centuries. At least the good Germans weren’t silly enough to give Max & Moritz dominion over them!
That which does not destroy us makes us stronger — let’s hope America can look back on the Bush Presidencies as character- and Constitution-building experiences.
…oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW
Always liked Jack Ohman from the Oregonian
The “other” Oliphant
and Dan Wasserman of the Boston Glob.
More on Max & Moritz’s mischief:
CACTUS — Last month’s immigration raid on the Swift & Company Cactus Beef Plant devastated the families of the illegal immigrants, volunteers assisting their family members said. It goes on to say that most of those arrested in Cactus were Guatemalans who were paid $1 a day working in the sugar-cane fields; anyone wondering why they came here should be able to figure it out right there.
Following that story, a follow-up to the Tulia drug saga.
TeddySanFran @
5
W is no run of the mill dolt – he’s in a category of his own.
Lieber Peterr –
Herzlichen Dank! Das ist eine fantastische Analogie, die Du machst!
If I recall 9th grade German I correctly, Katzenjammer means hangover in English.
Goofus and Gallant
cathy @ 11
Dick und Doof!!!
- – -shoutout to Peterr for the post – - -
Molly Ivins has her hands on the grinder . . . and she’s not letting go for anyone.
Molly paints her pictures not with ink but with words, in the fine tradition of Southern storytellers.
Ausgezeichnet Herr Peterr!
JF @ 3
JF -
Read rumors that Luckovich was going to do a ‘toon in memory of the 3000 mark similar to his heart-grabbing “WHY?”
Do you know if that did in fact happen?
Balrog @ 10
Babel Fish (my fave online translator) says it’s Cat misery. It’s my fave because it’s fun, I have no idea if that’s accurate. ;)
Danke Peterr!
Balrog @ 10
Correct! And the imagery is lovely.
Literally the parts of the word are “The cats’ suffering” with an implication of “wailing” — the verb “jammern” means to wail out loud.
This is the best yet.
“The President has the ability to exercise his own authority if he thinks Congress has voted the wrong way.”
– Tony Snow, January 8, 2007
Tony just confirmed that Bush thinks he is “Dictator”
Steve @ 20
And Congress has the ability to
Impeach
Try
and
Convict
TeddySanFran @ 5
I dunno, a very slow mill grind sounds kind of appealing. Three sacks: one for Georgie, one for Rummy and one for Snarly.
Are you against Bush’s plan to escalate the war in Iraq? Add your name to the petition HERE
George Bush plans to announce his intention to escalate the war in Iraq by sending tens of thousands of more troops to pursue his flawed strategy. If he wants to ignore the advice of the military and the findings of the Iraq Study Group, he’s going to have to make his case and get the consent of the people through their elected representatives. Senator Kennedy has introduced legislation that makes the issue plain. It states that any substantial new commitment in Iraq requires a plan from the administration and explicit authorization from Congress.
Steve @ 20
Hoo boy. Is there a link somewhere to this?
That statement needs to be SPOTLIGHTED everywhere, to everyone.
We know that’s exactly what he thinks, but too too many “pundits” and politicos have been in denial about this.
Great post Peterr. It’s a perfect comparison. Soon, I’d like to hear
We need the DOJ to do their jobs for that to happen.
Twenty thousand more troops in Iraq won’t secure Iraq, and probably not even Baghdad. The numbers are so simple; I can’t believe that politicians are even willing to risk their careers for a security mission that can’t be accomplished.
When I served in Kosovo, we protected a Serbian church for six months. We had 40,000 troops to protect 200,000 Serbs that needed our protection. That is a ratio of 1 soldier for every 5 civilians. In Iraq, escalating the war from 130,000 troops to 150,000 troops will do little to secure a country of 26 million.
The idea that going to door to door in Baghdad will make a difference is even more ridiculous. Not only was a Stryker Brigade extended in Baghdad several months to unsuccessfully secure the city, but we have gone door to door in other cities such as Fallujah, only to return later because we couldn’t seize and hold terrain. Securing Iraq would require 500,000 troops for 7 to 10 years. So why are we going to send more troops to Iraq for a mission that can’t be accomplished without diplomacy? link
Yet, there is still one sliver of hope. Congress can assert itself by strongly supporting bill (link to article) that Senator Ted Kennedy will introduce today, that will require new authorization from Congress before the President can escalate the war and prepare for a strike against Iran. It’s likely that the bill will be vetoed by the President, so this bill will need widespread support.
There are very few second chances in life, but the Kennedy bill will give one to those who voted to give the President a blank check in 2002. This is their last chance to reclaim their oversight power, do right by the Troops, and represent the will of the people. Will they do so? Call your Senator and Congressman and ask them. The Capitol Switchboard is 202-224-3121.
Der Struwwelpeter!!!
(the original Edward Scisscorhands)
Waccamaw @ 16
Hadn’t heard that. That hasn’t happened, yet. The “Why” was one of his best, though. I hate that we’re at the point where he would have a reason to “outdo” that one.
Peterr @ 14
Molly never misses! Tomorrow’s gonna be sumpthin’
I was a “Rupert” books kid. Anybody ever hear of Rupert? Just curious.
neil –
Thanks for the context of your own experience. There are many Vietnam vets, too, who are having flashbacks to the uselessness of every new “strategy” (remember “strategic hamlets”?) to play a deadly game of whack-a-mole.
Good of you to remind us all to keep making calls, over and over again, until this nightmare ends.
OT — Joe LiarMan is up on the floor of the Senate now. Gotta go change to the other C-Span channel. The very sound of his voice makes me wanna barf.
Peterr…Wilhelm Busch, Mark Fiore and Tom Tomorrow have very little to fear from me, but thank you for the kind insinuation.
:)
interesting bringing up germnan stories today
raw story has a great article showing reagan concervative comparing bush to hitler
wunderbar! es freut mich. vielen dank!
Molly Ivins was giving Bush hell way before it was kool.
I just sent that Pony Blowjob quote to DiFi, with the suggestion that it’s a good example of why we need to get these guys out of office. Also asked her to do her best to keep Iraq from escalating into Iran.
What’s the liklihood of US AC-130 gunships shooting up some towns in England because of the presence of Al Qaeda cells? With dead civilians and all that?
Not very eh.
-GSD
So let’s see since 9/11 the US has:
-Invaded Afghanistan
-Invaded Iraq
-Used drones to missile suspects in Yemen
-Fired missiles into Pakistan
-Landed troops in Haiti
-Launched AC-130 and helicopter gunship attacks in Somalia
-Winked and nodded at the Israelis invasion of Lebanon
-Threatened Iran and Syria
-Landed troops in Liberia
-Opened a series of secret CIA prisons throughout the world
Anything I am missing?
-GSD
Great Post. One of my super favorite cartoons is Get Your War on.
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war60.html
Mrs. K8 @ 31
Mrs K8, I did not serve in Kosovo. I posted an article written by a man who did. Follow the link and you can read the rest of his argument.
Our citizens spoke loudly and clearly in the last election. We must be persistent to get the message accross to our tone deaf President and his enablers.
I lived in Germany for one year in my youth in the 60’s. I learned German with the full emersion method. I went to the local school and made friends with the other second graders. I was at an ideal age for language acquisition. At home, we read Max und Morris. My parents were tryng to learn German too. Their pronunciation was terrible but we could all enjoy the stories together. I have a mischevious streak a mile wide and I wonder if some of my best ideas didn’t derive from reading those stories.
Attention Capitol Hill lurkers!
If there’s someone up there who can prod the Senate Dems into cleaning up the committee websites, that would make the wheels of oversight grind a little more smoothly. The 109th Congress is over, and there are a bunch of new sheriffs in town . . .
I’m guessing, based on the widely varying quality of each committee’s site, that each committee has its own webmaster – and that the majority controls the official committee site while the minority has its own sub-pages (and likely its own webmaster to manage them).
Here’s a news flash, webmasters for the Senate Dems: the election was in November, and you won. How about celebrating the victory by taking control of the committee websites?
neil –
So sorry I misunderstood — I missed the word “link” after your quote!
Must pay better attention.
‘Tho that can get difficult when your outrage meter is broken. Still, that makes it all the more dangerous — mustn’t miss the details!
Ever feel like we’re just hanging out, waiting for another shoe to drop, (like in yesterday’s Somalia shoe drop)?
Rip It Reverend – me likey !
Ever start to think and forget to stop?
Mrs. K8 @ 24
LINK:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..108-7.html
OT gagging alert – JoeLow spouting live on CSpan 2 – ethics on members of the US Senate, no less.
@ 24 Here is one link:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/author/cenk_uygur
The Republican congress gave Bush all of the tools he needs to do exactly what he wants. The last was section 1076 or 1078 of the last defense appropriation that, among other horrible things, allows Bush to use the military to enforce presidential edicts in the US.
From previous thread -
The blogspots I’ve checked seem to be functioning again; anybody still down?
JF @ 11.36 –
Thanks for the feedback; think it was E & P where I saw some mention about that. It was his WHY? that turned me into a total political cartoon junkie.
Es ist unglaublich dass so viele Leute bei FDL Deutsch koennen!
Thank you, mandrake! It’s kind of you to do the work — I guess I should have gone over to the WH site.
Although to tell the truth, it makes me sick to my stomach to go to the WH website.
We really need to stick this quote under the noses of all our representatives and every single newspaper and teevee and news magazine outlet.
Georgie has just declared himself DICTATOR.
Wake up, everybody!
(not directed at Firepups, but to everybody in denial over the Idiot Princeling’s claims)
newspaperbrat @ 46
Hey Joe, how about that $387K that went missing from your petty cash?
Ethics indeed!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
I hear it’s due to land tomorrow evening, 9PM EST, live on national TV.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Tim Johnson’s condition has been upgraded from critical to fair, four weeks after he was hospitalized for a brain hemorrhage, his office said Tuesday.
The South Dakota Democrat, who was rushed to the hospital on Dec. 13 and underwent emergency surgery, remains in intensive care, said his spokeswoman, Julianne Fisher.
“The senator continues to make progress,” Fisher said. “The next step would be rehabilitation and we hope that would happen within the week
Pectopah @ 49
…sprechen?
OT – but hey, it’s my post . . .
More possible election fraud news: Cal Ripkin and Tony Gwynn were both elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Strangely, there were 8 voters who did NOT vote for Ripkin, and 13 who did not vote for Gwynn. Did Diebold total the ballots, or are there some clueless HOF voters out there?
ccmask @ 44
Unfortunately, these days I’m much more likely to stop and forget to think………….now where did I put that senior moment? *g*
Pectopah @ 49
Wieso “unglaublich”?
Sind wir nicht Weltbuerger?
[Das meine ich aber nicht als Frechheit! — Ich freue mich sehr, dass Du auch Deutsch kannst.]
Steve @ 20
This is scary. Snow just said out loud what we’ve all expected the president (and VP) thinks.
GSD @ 37
That about covers it. For now. I think.
Pectopah @ 49
Komisch nicht! Wir sind alle Berlinern. and we’re washed with all waters! So paint not the Devil on the Wall.
mandrake @ 45
The laws are in place, now all he needs is The Reichstag fire.
Neil @ 39
I was an exchange student in Germany myself, after having had a couple years of high school German to go along with a smattering learned from Oma and Opa. For my first three days there, everything sounded a bit odd to me, and then it fell into place. I realized that my German teacher back home, while a native German, had lived in New England for about 20 years after WWII, and more than a little NE accent had crept into her voice.
Crazy Horse @ 60
“Die spinnen, die Amis!”
Ah, yes. Animal cruelty, gruesome murders, and rampant vandalism – they just don’t write childrens’ stories like they used to, do they? Come to think of it, though, maybe they should. I think little Dickie and little Georgie would have benefitted from knowing that if you go all over the world killing and kidnapping people, no one’s going to care if your bodies are eaten by ducks.
Or somerhing like that.
Thanks Peterr, I’d forgotten about this story.
“Here comes Peterr Cottontaill, blogging down the BushCo trail”
Please allow me, gentle reader
To introduce you to Tim Kreider
Although he does not own a mill he
brings The Pain and Why Do They Kill Me.
Less infamous than Neil Cavuto,
He nonetheless defended Pluto.
Read his website! Buy his books!
It doesn’t matter how he looks!
(I don’t say this in hope of money,
He’s just the man who makes the funny!)
Mrs. K8 @ 50
You’re welcome. And I agree, it’s a pretty scary, albeit preditable, statement.
Text of Kennedy speech (I hope CSPAN replays it tonight):
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0109.html
punaise @ 65
Ah, the French are heard from . . . Merci, punaise.
Peterr @ 62
That bit about your teacher — LOL!!!
Reminds me of what I figured out about our high school teacher — she translated song lyrics literally such that they came out as German gibberish.
Example –
“Rudolf der rot-Nase Zuegelhirsch…”
For those who don’t speak German — she simply translated “reindeer” by sticking the translation of “reins” (object used when riding a horse) on top of the word for “deer.”
It was meaningless.
The word for “reindeer” is “das Ren” or “das Rentier.”
She made us sing and memorize and then perform these monstrosities of Christmas carols.
Peterr @ 68
all that allemand was making my head spin
punaise @ 65
Peterr piped us pics of heckles.
Wonderful post Peterr and long overdue, imo. Good to see you up above…)
fahrender @ 54
… lesen?
(My high school had French, Spanish, German, and Latin as foreign languages. At this point in my life, I’m able to wing it reading in all of them.)
Does anybody recall Tom Terrific and Manfred, the wonder dog?
JF @ 3
JF, this was posted in the comments section: “Despite daily coverage of everysingledeath in Iraq, a lot of us have managed to keep 3,000 deaths, over 3 years, in a WAR, in perspective. If we decide as a nation that we cannot go to war if it means losing an average of 3 soldiers a day, then we truly are the biggest losers on the earth.”
It says everything you need to know about the American right and their support for the troops
Mrs. K8 @ 69
I was at a birthday party in Germany when the birthday girl, my German “sister,” put Meatloaf’s “Paradise by the Dashboard Light” on. My German brother asked me to translate it, and I was doing fine, until I got to the baseball metaphor. First, you have to translate the words, then explain baseball, then explain the double-entendres . . . then get a towel to wipe up the beer that gets spewed.
After that experience, I have a great deal of respect for those who can do simultaneous translations.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 73
Oh my, yes.
In our house, where I am a night person and quite nasty in the early morning — my husband calls me “Crabby Appleton.”
And that’s MIGHTY Manfred, the Wonder Dog, as the opening jingle went. Then we would see the Mighty Manfred — lying on his back, all four legs straight in the air, sound asleep and snoring.
My 3-year old self laughed out loud, every time.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 73
Didn’t he have a hat that looked like a funnel?
How about Crusader Rabbit and Rags (Ragland T. Tiger)?
Peterr –
Simultaneous translations? Yikes, I used to provide CONSECUTIVE translation, and that’s tough enough.
Those who do simultaneous translation have to go to special schools (there aren’t many of them) with very, very rigourous training.
And when giving simultaneous translation, the translator is usually not permitted to work longer than 15 or 20 minutes straight. He or she is rotated out. It’s too tough to concentrate that hard for longer than that — serious errors will be inevitable.
klyde @ 77
Yes, yes, yes!
I pestered my mom endlessly until she let me play with her big aluminum kitchen funnel.
klyde @ 77
Sure did.
One example of why control of the senate MATTERS:
“WASHINGTON (AP) — In a concession to the Senate’s new Democratic majority, four of President Bush’s appeals court appointees have asked to have their nominations withdrawn, Republican officials said Tuesday.
These officials said that William Haynes, William Myers and Terrence Boyle had all decided to abandon their quest for confirmation. Another nominee, Michael Wallace, let it be known last month that he, too, had asked Bush to withdraw his nomination.
Haynes is the Pentagon’s top lawyer, and was an architect of the Bush’s now-abandoned policy toward treatment of detainees in the war on terror. He had been tapped for the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Boyle is a federal judge in North Carolina, and his appointment to the 4th Circuit provoked opposition from Democrats who cited his rulings in civil rights and disability cases, as well as his higher-than-average turnover rate by higher courts.
William G. Myers III, nominated to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, sparked opposition from environmentalist organizations and their allies among Senate Democrats.
Wallace’s appointment to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals drew opposition from Democrats, civil rights groups and the American Bar Association.
Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has said only ”consensus nominees” are likely to win confirmation under the new Democratic majority — a declaration that effectively doomed the chances for the four men whose appointments were left in limbo when the Senate adjourned last year for the elections.”
Peterr @ 75
I’ve spent entire nine-inning games
explainingtrying to explain those nuances to French visitors. Most of the terms and vocabulary translate poorly. Baseball is mostly about what could happen, so it can get quite elaborate.rwcole –
Thanks for the longer quotation. We were cheering in the last thread about this, but I was too lazy to go read the whole thing.
Wow did you just nail the essence of the greatest game ever invented !
Pectopah @ 49
Ich auch.
Mrs K8 “Die spinnen, die Amis!”
Naja, scheiss egal. Ich hab’ kein Bok mehr!
(trans: Shit equal. I’ve got no more billy goat!) (I mean with the crazy americans.)
Tim @ 86
It was until the current commissioner began tearing it apart.
punaise –
I used to have to give tests on language “proficiency.”
For the very highest skill level, one of the test questions was — “Explain, in words only, how to tie a bow.”
That’s hard enough in one’s mother tongue — it’s a wowzer in a foreign language.
Reuters
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday the world’s second biggest oil exporter may cut output, signalling his resolve to force Belarus to climb down in a trade dispute that has halted pipeline exports to Europe.
Tim @ 85
took years for me to boil it down to that!
Mrs. K8 @ 89
that really threw me for a loop.
punaise @ 83
The same could be said about that to which the aforementioned baseball metaphor refers.
punaise @ 92
It had me in knots, too.
Crazy Horse @ 87
Tja. Das geht mir auf die Eier.
Oops. Technically speaking, as a woman, that doesn’t quite work. Ok.
Das geht mir auf den Wecker.
[literal translation, first sentence — “That gets on my eggs.” Eggs in German, like in Spanish huevos a.k.a. testicles.
literal translation, second sentence — “That gets on my alarm clock.”
They both mean, as Rhett said, “I don’t give a damn.”]
Punaise!!!
Peterr @ 94
it was the laced we could do
Crazy Horse @ 96
backatcha!
punaise @ 92
Then I’ll just take a bow.
I’m sorry to just jump in without having a chance to carefully read the post and comments (I will later, peterr, I promise!), but I saw this comment from peterr:Peterr @ 62
and it reminded me of Henry Kissinger, who speaks with a slight American accent when he’s interviewed in German, and tosses in quite a lot of English vocabulary, too.
Gute Nacht an alle und vielen Dank fuer die Unterhaltung. Bis morgen! :)
Speaking of baseball, the only sport I care about anymore:
McGwire denied Hall; Gwynn, Ripken get in
Slugger with 583 home runs punished for stonewalling Congress in 2005
NEW YORK – Mark McGwire fell far short in his first try for the Hall of Fame, picked by 23.5 percent of voters while Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr. easily gained baseball’s highest honor.
Tarnished by accusations of steroid use, McGwire appeared on 128 of a record 545 ballots in voting released Tuesday by the
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16541906/
Pfifferling @ 100
Schlaf gut, gnaediger Pfifferling!
GSD @
37
depending on whether you’re thinking strictly foreign affairs…
here in the good ol’ US of A he’s been busy also
… fill in the blanks
Gute Nacht, Pfifferling!
Umm, speaking of German stories, and mischief, there’s this little bit of intrigue….
Can someone teach me some really good German curse words without getting snagged by the Mod??
punaise’s amazing quote on baseball: Baseball is mostly about what could happen, so it can get quite elaborate.
Politics too, n’est pas?
Well.. but we forget that Jesus Christ has blessed this war, that Jesus likes war, demands war… because God is the god of war (Jerry Falwell, 2004).. that’s enough for Max and Moritz. Giving your life for divinity is a good thing, after all.
klyde @
75
Salon.com War Room:
mandrake @ 106
Ja, sicher.
What sort of thing do you have in mind?
Some nasty thing to say to someone? About someone? Or what to say if you hit your thumb with a hammer?
Hi, Pfiff -
Got your note re. the candied peel a day or so back; so glad you & hubby liked it. Do be sure to try it w/grapefruit; equally as good & larger citrus = less labor ;-) Wonder what would happen w/lemons….or maybe limes would be even better.
egregious @ 107
en effet, egregious.
the “surge” is akin to a suicide squeeze play….that has been announced in advance
Is swearing more fun and effective in French or German?
Breaking News from the banner at MSNBC
Defense official: 1st wave of additional troops will go to Iraq by end of month.
Seems like a slap in the face.
snowbird42 @ 115
Damn, DAMN, and DOUBLE DAMN!
Waccamaw @ 113
Interesting question.
If by “effective” you mean that the person you swear at will punch you in the nose, my guess is they’re probably equally effective…
…so long as you swear in French at the Frenchman and in German at the German dude, and not vice versa.
Waccamaw @ 113
I guess we’d need a tri-linguist to weigh in on that.
bottom line: I think it’s hard to gauge the strength or appropriateness of swearing in a foreign language. native-speakers often cringe when foreigners try to swear. that doesn’t keep me from trying, however. merde!
snowbird42 @ 114
I had heard a rumor from a gov’t employee, who was really just speculating out loud, that the troops would already have been in the pipeline for a couple of weeks already.
I had hoped it wasn’t true.
Re: First wave of additonal troops to be in Iraq by the end of the month.
Well, they’ve done it again. Instead of talking about bringing all the troops home, the conversation now is all about escalation, yes or no.
Everything is up the Democrats with perhaps the help of a few Republicans. It seems we may be in a race with time.
Did I mention that I met someone from Samoa who knew he was rescheduled for Iraq in 2008 (already been one or two times)?
It would come as no surprise that a little premptive attack on Iran could come very soon.
the word Crisis comes to mind.
Hes thumbing his nose at us
punaise @ 117
Yes, especially if the foreigner is just “translating” what their own curses are in their mother-tongue inappropriately into the target language. Like the Christmas carol screw-ups we learned.
But if you live amongst the people for a long time, you can soon learn by imitation.
Then it gradually becomes clear what the cursing “style” is.
For example, in German, most rude swearing is anal- and Scheisse-oriented.
In some languages, like Italian, the worst things you can say are directed at the other person’s MOTHER.
We (my Euro friends and I) used to laugh at the notion that each culture was at a different Freudian psychoanalytic stage (anal, oedipal, etc.).
Great post! And the first time I read Wilhelm Busch in English…
Is there going to be a Demo response after the Bush thing tomorrow night? And if so, by who?
French swearing is ass-based, with a minor in prostitution.
Putain de bordel de merde, cette espece d’encule me fait chier!
Waccamaw, so glad you saw my note. I’m already planning to try lemons next. I don’t know if I should thank you or curse you — French or German? :~)
Now it really is “good night.” Talk to you guys soon.
punaise @ 127
Thanks! I was just going to ask you that. Do you think the butt-based cursing is more popular, let’s say, in the Alsace region, where the German anal-fixation might be an influence? Or is it everywhere the same?
Got to go . . . The Kid has been nice and quiet while we’ve been chatting, because of a deal we made to visit the zoo if he’s been good. He’s been good, but I can tell he’s getting antsy. (”Daaa-aad, are you done yet?”)
Y’all have been good, too. Catch you later!
OfT: Mark your calendars, on 1/18, Stephen Colbert and Bill O’Reilly will appear as guests on each others’ programs!
My German teacher used ‘Menschens Kinder’ a lot. For some reason, this maladministration brings it back. (I will say, though, that we didn’t get mistranslated lyrics, mostly because we didn’t sing them auf Englisch. Imagine a group of high school students merrily singing drinking songs!)
Peterr @ 130
Thank you, Peterr! You really did make the perfect analogy in this post.
Especially with the news that the troops are ready to go, Bush is doing his best Max und Moritz imitation.
Let’s see.
The November elections produce a landslide for Democrats and the left.
Time Magazine responds by hiring neo-con Republican Bill Kristol.
ABC responds by hiring Glenn Blech.
-GSD
It seems that ABC/Disney is going back to Walt’s third reich roots.
They’re putting Glenn Beck on GMA as a commentator.
Any question that ABC News lost it’s soul when Peter Jennings died?
GSD @ 134
Boy, if that doesn’t tell you everything you need to know about the fascist leanings of the corporate media.
Mrs. K8 @ 129
I haven’t spent enough time in the various regions to distinguish. It holds true for Paris and Brittany, however. perhaps Hugh could add to this?
One thing for sure: the people in the north of France (Dunkirk, etc.) have a strong traditional of raucous and very baudy party songs, from Carnaval.
TeddySanFran @ 131
Oh. My. God.
Out here near the left coast we get these programs on at different (later) times.
Can anyone say which program happens first, the O’Reilly Atrocity or Stephen’s? I’m wondering if how the first program goes will effect how the other host acts later.
Silliness ensues on the next thread, as we move from Germany to England courtesy of TRex!
Mrs. K8 @ 139
Can’t bring myself to watch BillO. Will have to wait for either C&L clips or, no doubt, Keith will document the atrocities.
Ach so, punaise.
The south of Germany has bawdiness galore at Fasching/Karneval, too. The north (protestant) lost a lot of that source.
Any Catholic region seems to have that wildness of the festival.
ABC was upset that David Duke was on assignment for the RNC and wasn’t able to pull commentary duty.
Fucking sickos.
-GSD
OT– Russ Feingold speaking live on the Senate floor on cspan2!
I keep promising to sign off…. but I forgot to add….
@ Mrs. K8: your German’s “super” (as they say in German *g*). I think I’d have a hard time explaining in English how to tie a bow. I’m more on the Klettverschluss level!
Mrs. K8 @ 110
Yeah, the last one. When I’m really mad about something. Or if I want to call the shrub a particuarly nasty name. I tried to look up some of this stuff on the Intertoobz one time but everything I came up with was pretty raunchy, graphic stuff!
Danke fuer Max und Moritz, peterr. Metaphor? Nicht schlecht.
Oh wow. I just saw some comment about Germans having a thing for “butt-based” swearing. I always wondered about that after I read the following (poorly paraphrased):
English humor is in the drawing room;
French humor is in the bedroom;
German humor is in the bathroom.
My grandmother’s people were German and her side of the family’s sense of humor was somewhat scatalogical in nature and they were very outspoken about their, erm, movements.
I also read where Martin Luther read the Bible and also had religious visions while on the john.
For any of you who might have missed Kennedy’s speech (like me), it will be re-aired on CSPAN at 10:30 pm, as per their schedule below:
C-SPAN Highlights
Tonight:
* NPC Address by Sen. Kennedy (D-MA) on Iraq Policy (10:30pm)
* Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-NV) Briefing (11:15pm)
* Senate Minority Leader McConnell (R-KY) Briefing (11:20pm)
* Washington Journal Re-air: Frederick Kagan, AEI (11:30pm)
Mandrake, sweetie!
I’m sorry I got dragged away to the telephone, and now I have to get in the pool for therapy while the sun is still on the water and I won’t get hypothermia.
Sorry I didn’t get a chance to dive right into the swearing lesson, but don’t let me forget about it when you see me again. Don’t want to just swear-and-run, but explain what I’m teaching. Wouldn’t want to arm you without teaching how to shoot safely. Verstehst Du?
See you a.s.a.p.
Thanks for your patience!
Mrs. K8,
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/captain-kangaroo.htm
I forgot all about this cartoon! Thanks for reminding me.;)
Mrs. K8 @ 150
Understood! I love German and would love to learn it. I used to listen to very old German songs (medieval stuff) and I was pleasantly surprised and how beautiful the German language is when sung.
Margot @ 151
Awwww. Captain Kangaroo!!! Fond memories.
(But . . . “Mr. Scoop Toot”??)
punaise @ 138
Probably EPU’d, but could not resist. Are your referring to regions in France, or BFFs Hilton and Spears?
Pectopah @
154
heh, guess I left that one hanging there like a big ole softball over the plate….
Good Bob Cesca article on Kennedy bill:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..38223.html
Oklahoma kiddo @
74
Ho-Ho-Kus, New Jersey! Of course!
“The only thing supporting Bush’s sorry ass these days is a chair.”
Peterr,
I am reading way past EPU but if you see this, thanks so much for this *delightful* post. My Grandmother (aus Bayern) used to call my dad and his brothers Katzenjammer kids when they got rowdy, but I’d never seen them before.
Nice bed-time story, and with a moral.
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practice link- http://mediamatters.org/items/200701090010
[Mod Note; an added space before the “http:” fixes this one]
again-http://mediamatters.org/items/200701090010
Lets see if I can remember how I did that.-http://mediamatters.org/items/200701090010
trying from my desktop-http://mediamatters.org/items/200701090010
Don’t see a lot of “comics” related comments here, so I’ll add to the few outstanding ones already mentioned–
Ward Sutton
http://www.suttonimpactstudio.com/
Keyboard Kommandos
http://www.thepoorman.net/cate…..kommandos/
(looking forward to a “Jamail-gate” episode here)
Project for the Old American Century
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/
…and in a non-politically related vein, MY ALL TIME FAVORITE, hands down BITCHIN’EST action adventure cartoon and theme song ever made–the original “Jonny Quest” (1964)–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4tKpSLuioc
Mrs. K8 @
12
I thught Dick und Doof were Laurel and Hardy