I may be physically back from Winter Solstice Break, but I'm not quite mentally back, so today I'm going to ramble — kind of a stream of consciousness spew about what's happening in labor at the dawn of 2007.
Here goes:
First, let's look back at last year. Not a bad year, labor-wise. Unions were instrumental in an amazing election win that will soon give birth to minimum wage bills passing the House, and likely the Senate (even if George Will thinks the minimum wage should be zero). The House is also planning to give Transportation Security Administration (TSA) workers rights that were taken away by a Bush administration that sees unions as akin to terrorists. Meanwhile, SEIU scored two major organizing wins for janitors at the University of Miami and in Houston. It was also an interesting year in workplace safety, as I explain on my home blog.
And shortly before Christmas, By a 2-1 vote, Goodyear employees ratified a new contract after an 86 day strike against the tire company. Not a total victory, but a victory non-the-less:
The U.S. contract establishes a company-financed trust fund of more than $1 billion that will secure medical and prescription drug benefits for current and future retirees, the union said. Future contributions will include cost-of-living payments and profit-sharing funds.
The new contract also requires Goodyear to drop its demand for immediate closure of its tire-manufacturing plant in Tyler, Texas. The contract provides one-year period of transition during which workers at Tyler will have the opportunity “to take advantage of sizeable retirement buyouts,” the union said.
“It took a strike, but we achieved a fair and equitable contract that protects quality health care for active and retired members,” USW Executive Vice President Ron Hoover said
Looking forward to the first 100 hours in Congress, the Christian Science Monitor describes what a raise in the minimum wage means to low income families:
Oklahoma doesn't have high living costs, compared with some other states. But to cover the basic needs of a family of four here typically requires an income of more than $33,000, according to an online budget calculator created by the liberal Economic Policy Institute in Washington.
At $5.15 an hour, it would take three full-time jobs for a family to earn that much.
Many minimum-wage workers, it's true, don't have children. Often they are young people on their first job.
But the Hosier family is not unusual. Of the workers who stand to reap higher pay if Congress raises the wage floor, the vast majority are adults, most work full-time, and about 1 in 4 have dependent children, according to the Economic Policy Institute.
Moreover, they are often the sole breadwinner in the household. Of families with children, nearly half of those who would be affected by a minimum-wage hike get all their earned income from one low-wage worker.
Meanwhile, the fruits of the Democratic Chickens who refused to filibuster Bush's Supreme Court nominees may be coming home to roost asthe Supreme Court agrees to consider the constitutionality of a Washington state law that made it harder for unions to spend mandatory fees collected from nonmembers on political campaigns. The law has been overturned by the Washington State supreme court. But…
The union victory could be short-lived. Wednesday, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear Evergreen Freedom's challenge to the Washington state decision. The foundation hopes the court, its conservative wing bolstered by the Bush appointments of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, will bar unions from spending any fees from nonmembers on political campaigns.
An array of antiunion groups — the Institute for Justice, the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation and the Pacific Legal Foundation among them — have filed briefs at the high court, hoping to strike a blow against labor's power. The Bush administration and six states with laws unfriendly to unions likewise are urging the justices to reverse the Washington state decision.
And looking ahead to 2008 (that would be the next Presidential election year, in case anyone has forgotten) candidates will, of course, be courting the labor vote (especially considering the vital role labor played in the 2006 election). Hillary and Obama may be on the tip every pundit's tongue, but it's John Edwards who's focused like a laser beam on winning labor support, according to CQ Politics:
Edwards threw his weight behind efforts to increase minimum wage levels in Ohio, Arizona and Michigan. In April, he marched a picket line with Teamsters Union President James Hoffa and service workers at the University of Miami. Last year, Edwards spoke at the national conventions for three major unions: the AFL-CIO, the Change to Win Coalition and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
It was at the latter that Edwards proclaimed the labor movement “the greatest anti-poverty program in the United States.” “I believe in a Democratic Party of big ideas . . . a Democratic Party that’s not afraid of saying the word ‘union,’” he told more than 7,000 attendees at the Teamsters’ June convention in Las Vegas, according to release from the union.
According to former Clinton speechwriter David Kusnet, Edwards is "making economic populism and the value of unions part of his general message to all audiences," supporting strikes and walking picket lines. Plus, the addition of Nevada as an early primary state will help Edwards because SEIU and UNITE HERE are two unions with strong organizations in Nevada.
And it's clear that the labor movement needs someone who "gets it."
A decline in union membership may be due to a sharp rise in firing of pro-union activists during union organizing campaigns, according to a study released Thursday.
The study, by the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a nonprofit think tank, analyzed published data from the National Labor Relations Board.
"Starting at the end of the 1970s, but especially by the early 1980s, American employers began to engage in the systematic and widespread use of illegal firings as a strategy to undermine the success of campaigns for union representation," the study's authors, John Schmitt and Ben Zipperer.
The authors say their paper "provides significant support" that "aggressive, even illegal, employer behavior has undermined the ability of U.S. workers to create unions at their work places.
The NLRB data used in the study comes from the agency's work reinstating workers who it finds have been illegally fired for being involved in union organizing campaigns. If the NLRB finds a worker has been illegally fired, that worker must be reinstated. The study used data on the number of NLRB-ordered reinstatements each year to calculate the probability a worker involved in union-organizing would be fired.
Using those calculations, as well as previous studies using the same series of NLRB data, the authors wrote that the probability of a pro-union worker being fired during an organizing campaign increased from .5 percent in 1970 to 1974 to 1 percent from 1996 to 2000, then rose to 1.4 percent in 2001 to 2005.
The answer to this problem, as Tula and I have written before (like here and here) is the Employee Free Choice Act, which would give workers the right to be represented by a union by simply signing cards instead of the traditional "secret ballot" elections that employers have become so good at delaying and exploiting. Although EFCA seems to have enough support in the House of Representatives to pass, getting 60 votes to overcome an expected filibuster in the Senate may prove to be a tougher hurdle. Whether it passes in the next two years or post-2008, it's clear that the American people need to be strongly sold on its merits.
Right now polls indicate that solid majorities support unions and oppose harassment of workers who want to join unions. People are generally supportive of the concept of card check, but they're not so sure about trashing so-called "secret ballot" elections. Secret ballot elections sound fair (in a quaint, bygone pre-hanging-chad kind of way). But much better argument for EFCA is based on "free and fair elections." Change to Win, writing in Daily Kos, describes just how unfree and unfair the current "secret ballot" NLRB elections are.
Imagine elections in some far-off foreign land:
In this country, citizens vote periodically via secret ballot for which party will lead them. However, in this country, one party has a few… advantages:
- It can require citizens to attend propaganda sessions demonizing all opponents, at pain of losing their jobs if they failed to attend;
- It can legally threaten citizens with shutting down the company that employs them if they vote for the opposition;
- It is, by law, the only party that can place literature in citizens' mailboxes, or on their doorstep — all others are prohibited;
- It owns the property where the polls are located, and can tell individual citizens exactly when they should be at the polls to cast their vote, making it easy to associate "secret" ballots with the citizens who cast them;
- It retains the right, if it loses the election, to appeal the results through five separate levels of bureaucracy, with no requirement that the appeals be resolved in a timely fashion, and with the government being run by them during the appeals process.
In a union election, management is that party
OK, enough for now. You get the idea.
Jordan Barab blogs at Confined Space when he's in the mood and feeling obsessed with fighting injustice.



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Fitz!
RevDeb!
Jordan!
Jordan!
Um.. OT, but interesting nonetheless.. Canadian press is leading with the following story about the “US offensive” (their words) now underway in Somalia. Apparently, we blew up a bunch of Canadian nationals (presumably but not necessarily by accident):
http://www.canada.com/topics/n…..mp;k=87889
Did shrub have ANY Congressional authorization for this “offensive” whatsoever?
Some good news for what Jordan is talking about. Barney Frank, chairing Financial Services (I think) in the House is a strong supporter of the Employee Free Choice Act. it is on his agenda.
And referring to the courts hearing the cases that trickle up, at least at this point the worst of the worst nominees are pulling their names off the list of judicial nominees. Pat Lahey is our new watch dog.
The big question for me is what will it take to break the MallWart unfair labor practices? They only grow larger by the day and are hurting America in ways we will never be able to completely list.
Scarborough has stopped blindly following. Will be interesting to watch.
His new message (said by him in as many words): “I’m a conservative! I’m a conservative! I’m a conservative! Pat’s obsolete. Shrub’s insane. The Republicans are clueless. I’m a conservative!”
egregious @ 7
RevDeb @ 6
Barney Frank is chairing Ways and Means, but, yeah, broadly, that’s finances.
WalMart, dunno. Would like to see the states put some pressure on them on the wage end. The other way to give them heartburn would be to start some hard lobbying efforts at the state level to undo so-called “right to work” laws, or at least those provisions which enable WalMart to do union-busting on the job….
montag @ 8
Financial Services already has the web site up and running. Barney is no slacker and will be a great advocate for labor.
Charlie Rangel is Ways and Means. Also very good.
RevDeb @ 10
Oops! My mistake. It’s Rangel taking over Ways and Means.
One of the koolaid drinkers just challenged Scarborough about his neutrality. Sc is pushing back pretty hard and noting that only 12% of Americans support the ’surge’ proposal.
I think he’s getting the picture. Let’s be ready to welcome him with open arms. Demonizing him for some random comment is not helpful at this point. We’ve found the fish out there, now reel him in carefully.
“Secret ballot” sounds like management’s frame for their current, escalating system of intimidating pro-union employees.
Jordan, it’s always a treat when you post here at the ‘lake; thanks for this roundup and lookahead. Me, I’m excited about the minimum wage in 2007, although I’m a little peeved that Senator Kennedy’s oratorical skills were instead employed on Iraq today. Such an amazing speaker, so eloquent; but I wish circumstances had allowed him to focus on the minimum wage, families, and health care.
…oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW
There it is folks, in today’s Washington Post: George Will’s eternal unseen-hand job.
All the time, energy, and money that labor put into this election cycle hopefully will finally pay off. Saw lots of SEIU folk working hard for Ned and the congressional races in CT. They get it.
TeddySanFran @ 12
Teddy,
not to worry. Those issues are where his heart is and he will get back to them quickly. This was just the dems preemptive strike against W’s insanity that will be unleashed tomorrow night. Teddy is always a safe and powerful voice to enlist for this kind of task.
But you already knew all of that.
Somebody tell George Will I saved his life today: I killed a shit-eating dog! (Just kidding … I would never kill a dog, shit-eating or otherwise.)
Matewan is a terrific movie, if you have never seen it, go rent it.
egregious @ 12
My arms are always open to new adherents to our truth, but Joe’s conversion seems driven by his need to keep us, the Olbermann audience. I’d rather watch my local news — Arnie on crutches! — or even Larry King, than Scarborough’s shoutfest. Especially with the creepy thing he and Buchanan have going.
but, hi! egr — days getting longer & brighter here! yours?
Will should stop trying to write about economics, using fancy words, he clearly doesn’t understand like “labor” and “commodity”. http://www.epi.org/minwage/epi…..e_2006.pdf (petition signed by the country’s leading economists calling urgently for a minimum wage increase)
Aside from the obvious welfare benefits and among other things, the minimum wage facilitates productivity growth, technological innovation and workforce-upgrading.. all those nice things fiscal conservatives are supposed to be about. Does Will thik the US economy is about sweatshops?
Wigwam @ 14
Wigwam @ 14
Y’know, it’s easy to spot the people who never raised a callus in the pursuit of a living….
Good post Jordan.
I’m an old-school free enterprise business guy who went from big multi-national business to owning a little distribution business in my town. In my last big-business gig I worked in Sweden for over a year. I saw that almost everyone belonged to a union and that, to some extent, the unions protected most employees from the sudden train-wreck disaster that a mass layoff can bring. Business was still allowed to consolidate or downsize, but it was done in a more compassionate way, in a way that provided tangible benefits for the employees and helped them retrain or find a job outside their usual industry. When my industry crashed I got two weeks pay and a shove out the door. My friends in Sweden got a couple years of support to help them find their way.
Further, I got to see that “protectionism” isn’t an evil concept, but rather a way to protect the domestic industries.
I think that we ought to create a panel or group that suggests a “fair” pricing schedule for imported goods, a pricing schedule that would be used to establish a tariff on the imports, helping bring the price to somewhere near what it would cost for the product to be built in Indiana or somewhere else in the U.S.
Also I think a tax credit of sizable value should be offered to companies that built or start or rebuild a factory or plant that brings manufacturing back onshore.
So the price at the retailer goes up. So what? I think we’ll all get over it. Maybe less goods are purchased as a volume measurement, but overall retail revenue should be pretty much unchanged.
But we need good-paying jobs in this country and we need to have our corporations stop investing in whatever country offers the cheapest labor this year. I don’t like the idea of protectionism, but I don’t see another way to start to rebuild the non-service job market in America.
(I know there are a ton of problems with these ideas but I think we need to start taking a stab at helping re-establish a manufacturing job base in this country. We think it’s good to spend trillions on military protection for our citizens, yet let them sink further in debt and poverty every year, shrugging our shoulders and telling them to go get a job in the service industry. Stupid way to run a country if you ask me.)
Will’s ideal economy is about servitude, peasantry, and the upper class. The ownership society: have you been assigned an owner yet?
If Congress raises the minimum wage, does that mean every states’ employers are then tied to that number as the minimum wage?
TeddySanFran @ 22
Capitalism, unrestrained, is simply feudalism with a PhD in economics.
Thank you Jordan.
Ted Kennedy will be a very important voice and leader, imho. He is the chair now of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee and his speech today was electrifying! Though he talked primarily about the failed stratergery on Iraq, he also touched on medicare and healthcare, minimum wage and I could sense his passion and commitment. :>)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 23
Not necessarily. In those few states where the minimum wage is higher by statute, the higher rate prevails. But, for all those states which have no minimum wage law, federal law takes precedence.
Edwards certainly is hitting the labor, poverty, and class issues – which few other voices in or out of DC are doing with any regularity or force. I’m not saying he’s the top of my list – haven’t gotten even close to that choice yet – but I’m glad he’s raising these issues.
OfT: Who’s blocking the 100 Hours Plan to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations? RGJoe!
Excerpt:
Signing statement, anyone?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
There are a number of states that have minimums that are higher than what Congress is proposing. The feds will bring the floor up to one level, but the states that have a higher floor will keep the higher floor.
Peterr @ 27
Are there candidates other than Edwards who’ve rued their Iraq War vote, and publicly apologized?
TeddySanFran @ 18
Brighter but SO not there yet. And the damage to the groan/scale and to my morale of the last 6 weeks of darkness…just trust that God knows what the **** He is doing.
But Scarborough is -arguing- more and more with Buchanan. I am very encouraged. Watch the news that works for you, but as a sociologist I am tres interested in what’s happening on his show.
TeddySanFran @ 29
Kerry has. Not that it is really going to do much good for him.
The amount of brainwashing that the average low-information voter has undergone is absolutely stunning to me.
I was at my desk today when the guy in the next cube started talking to someone else about Iraq, the Dems, etc. Keep in mind these guys will be lucky to break 6 figures between the 2 of them, and yet, they were convinced that their taxes were going up. And that they didn’t like Nancy Pelosi.
One guy said that he needs to save up because they next few years will be rough. It was all I could do not to scream at them “are you out of your fucking minds? I’m less than 30 days away from a foreclosure and you are telling me it is going to get worse? How fucking stupid are you?”
They guy next to me just had his salary DECREASED by $500 a month. He’s a salesman so he has the chance (in theory) to make it up. The kool-aid is strong and deprogramming is gonna take a while…
Actually, my point is that Will seems to like the feudalism part without any understanding of the field of economics, or, for that matter, the nature of advanced industrial capitalism, whatsoever. Along with his protege, Buckley, he lives in a pre-modern, pre-capitalist world.
montag @ 24
montag @ 26
Then all states must meet at least the minimum wage set by Congress. An individual state cannot have a state minimum wage law which is lower than the federal minimum wage?
egregious,
“But Scarborough is -arguing- more and more with Buchanan. I am very encouraged. Watch the news that works for you, but as a sociologist I am tres interested in what’s happening on his show.”
I’m with Teddy on this one. Joe S. knows how Keith is raising the ratings roof and it’s a great lead in for him. He wants to benefit from that librul luv. It is a smart business decision on his part. Yes, he is trumpeting that he’s a “fiscal conservative” and now disagrees with the admin. Most sentient beings are finally coming around to that.
It will be a while before I believe that Joe had a conversion experience and has been reborn. I’ll be happy to have him work at convincing me, though.
Keep in mind that Arianna and Ed Schultz both used to be conservatives before they saw the error of their ways.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
That would be correct.
Given that Will has waded in with his opinion on the minimum wage, I’ll offer this. Most people know Thomas Frank for What’s the Matter With Kansas?, but, it’s worth the reminder that his previous and less-noted book was One Market Under God, and is also well worth the read.
Re: George Will. Gulley Jimson to his young friend, Nosey, who wants to be an artist: “The trouble with you is, you’re an enthusiast.”
Will’s never had any reason not to be an enthusiast.
RevDeb
I am the original sceptic but I hear something authentic in Sc’s pushback against the mandatory rightwing people he has on his show. There is a new voice there.
He defends himself as an American who no longer supports the insanity the president puts forth as perfectly normal.
BREAKING:
An egrChild now gets the value of increasing the minimum wage. Call the newspapers.
O.T.
Gilliard answers Joe Klein. Simple. Straightforward. Short easy words that anyone can understand.
Twisted Martini @ 37
I see Scarborough evolving in the same way. Patience! Wait with open arms. They are coming our way. Be ready with mercy, they have to be hurting to realize they were so, so wrong.
My view of middle America is one of great humiliation as particularly the men get that we have been going in the wrong direction. It’s shameful, and men are not so good with shame. We can help them by being kind to the ones who are heading our way.
Of course the ones who still go for the whole war thing? Fire away.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
I suppose that a state can ignore federal law, but they do so with the great certainty they will lose a legal challenge to their refusal to obey law.
But, yes, states have the obligation to follow federal law. Federal law has superceding authority.
Knowing this administration, I’d almost expect Bush’s NLRB to challenge the law, if passed.
Scarborough is going to pull a Huffington. He will make hard realizations and come over to the side of light.
And now in the spirit of my pulling back from full force, in order to preserve my fragile core, I bid you Gute Nacht.
The same guys I talked about above have even figured out that Iraq is a big mess.
egregious @ 39
I’m not contradicting you. Just reserving my judgement for the time being.
Blub @ 8
They’re all saying that now. The 2008 GOP primaries promise to be nothing more than a catfight over which candidate is the realest conservative of them all.
Twisted Martini — in re: Kool-Aid drinkers –
I am sitting here in tears, crying my eyes out. I got the most disgusting email from a family member, sent to the rest of their email distribution list. It’s one of their usual brainless FWD: jobs; one of their friends got it from one of their friends, and so on, and they send it on, too.
It’s about the high school students in Whittier and Pioneer CA that protested the impending immigration reform this past year. They’d walked out of class, rehung the US flad upside down and with a Mexican flad on the same pole. Lots of red meat anti-brown skin rhetoric about how we are losing America.
Mind you, the person that sent this to me is my father. A brown-skinned American of mixed race, whose island country was occupied after its queen was deposed by the U.S. He sent it as well to my brother, who is adopted and of Philippino ethnicity, and his wife, who is Hispanic.
I want to slap my father into next week for his blind support of anything labeled Republican.
I want to slap every one of these white friends that sent this to him, and every one of the white friends that he’s sent it to, right into next week.
In response, because I absolutely cannot let this pass, I’ve written about the concentration camp, about the ethnic cleansing of NOLA, about the White Rose Society, and now I have to provide all these educated-but-ignorant people links to support my comments. Struggling to do it without breaking down more, so disgusted.
Jordan, I think there’s a push of propaganda under way, a fresh wave if this obnoxious email is any indication. We need something that discusses labor’s position on immigration so that we can rebut this kind of hateful propaganda when it shows up in our email boxes.
So very sad and embarrassing.
Happy New Year Jordan !
a related personal note -
the underemployed mr. cbl came home with a ‘real job’ and a UNION CARD today (on going Snoopy dance!)
25 years as a tradesman, migrated to management and then of course down-sized and subsequently deemed unemployable in his trade (too much experience = don’t wanna pay ya anything for it)
well, it seems the union has an affirmative action program for geezers.
yes, a living wage and (omfg!) benefits will go a long way to help our family, but am so thrilled he will again have the dignity that comes with doing something one is good at and to be a Union Family again, my oh my
continues snoopy dance around FDL wheelhouse . . .don’t tell me, I’ll take it to the U-nion !, I’ll take it to the U-nion !
“Hillary and Obama may be on the tip every pundit’s tongue, but it’s John Edwards who’s focused like a laser beam on winning labor support…”
“According to former Clinton speechwriter David Kusnet, Edwards is “making economic populism and the value of unions part of his general message to all audiences,” supporting strikes and walking picket lines.”
His stand on labor issues and his admission to making a mistake in voting to give Bush a blank check in Iraq are really making Edwards an attractive candidate. At least as far as this Dem is concerned.
Mary McCurnin @ 45
Nah, then he loses his fundie viewers.
Scarborough’s embracing “pure conservatism” is a very common theme these days. It’s a way of distancing one’s self from all the shit the Bushies have been spreading around, in part by saying, “they’re not real conservatives like we are.” People like Scarborough are counting on people not checking their records for previous statements which were wholly supportive of the things they now deplore as unconservative.
It’s more smoke and mirrors, along with the rather bald and blatant attempt at the self-rehabilitation of their rather smarmy pseudo-intellectualization of what is, after all, conservatism at its core.
What Bush did, and what people like Scarborough hate, is that Bush showed conservatism’s faults and failures and intellectual poverty in glorious wide-screen Technicolor. Bush, quite unintentionally, stripped away all the pretense and flowery language in which conservatives had cloaked their movement.
And, now, Scarborough is yelling, “no, no, that’s not conservatism at all.”
Nice try, Joe.
BTW, George Will was talking out of his *ss more than usual, calling labor a commodity.
It is not. The U.S. Government hasn’t considered it a commodity since 1914.
What a moran.
RevDeb @ 38
Actually, a state could have such a law, but the federal law, if it sets a higher minimum wage, would prevail. States don’t always amend their minimum wage laws to conform to new federal standards, but that does not enable employers in that state to ignore federal law. The state law just becomes irrelevant at that point.
Gotta love skinny dippin at the Lake.
Thank you all.
I thought my webcam was broken…
Great news, cbl! Congrats to you and mr. cbl.
cbl, YAY!
So happy for you and your family.
Rayne @ 50, I’ve gotten a couple of very bad emails from an old high school
friendperson I used to know. I had to find cites and quotes and sources to rebut it but it’s horrible.Margot @ 59
I used to get them, and there was no use arguing. I finally to take him off his spam list.
Rayne @ 50
Ouch! The emails I get from TheoCon family/friends often provoke a similar response for me. Remember: just because those around you are acting nuts, it doesn’t mean you need to do so as well. Good luck!
If you’re looking for links, check out the various sections in the FDL sidebar. Lots to mine there.
montaq — Maybe Scarborough is beginning to realize the truth:
Pure conservatism = progressivism
Small but effective, transparent and honest government will help our country progress more than a large, incompetent, secretive and corrupt government.
Free circulation of information and people without government intervention but rather government encouragement stimulates innovation and economic development.
Addressing the root cause of terrorism through a policy of engagement, diplomacy and foreign aid is far more effective and promotes increased stability than disengagement, abandoned policy, and hegemonic warfare.
Citizens have the right to be free of the government in their bedrooms and doctors’ offices.
For starters.
I’m a pure conservative, doncha’ know?
egregious @ 43
I think we also have to look through the eyes of someone who has placed their life’s philosophy in a snake oil salesman, defended the decision to unconditionally believe in that person and finally to admit they were taken in by a complete fraud.
That has to be devastating to admit, especially for a conservative.
I’m not so sure that Scarborough is embracing true conservatism or maybe that ideal is being redefined. When any conservative speaks in terms that show caring more for those not in a position to defend themselves, I’d say that’s liberalism.
Aside from his ‘ideas’, George Will puts me off as to his attitude. He’s a pompous, arrogant fellow who seems to go to great lengths to prove to everyone he’s a real smarty pants. Anyone of average intelligence can appear brilliant and write cumbersome and flowery narratives etc., with the use of a thesaurus and a dictionary. Will’s superior attitude is very off-putting. He does know baseball stats. I’ll give him that. But I don’t like him.
thanks all !, my steady’s letting me wear his union pin tonight
hey cdc, wipe your feet !
Unions – one could say that it was the loss of a union job that ruined my marriage.
My ex-husband has epilepsy. He had graudated from college but the stress of a new job caused many problems. He found a union job at a factory, and after a seizure at work they gave him a safer job in the same warehouse. But he kept his pay.
7 years he worked there. Then the company was bought out by a French company and closed completely. Three months went by and they reopened, without the union. They called 95% of the old workers back (minus union pay). Needless to say, my husband with his medical history was not called back. My ex- took it very hard and started drinking. NOT a good thing for him.
Having a good union job gave our family a base upon which to build. Without it, we all fell to ground.
Twisted Martini — it’s my DAD. How am I going to take him off my list and put him in the spam list?
[sigh]
One of those whining 6-figure brats you described could have been my brother. Disgusts me.
cbl,
GREAT NEWS!! Good things come to good people (sometimes). I’m happy for both of you. Dignity through work is no small thing. May the job be everything you and he want it to be.
Very glad for the good news, cbl. We haven’t had enough of that around here, it’s like a light at the end of the tunnel to hear you landed a union gig.
OT: Now this is framing.
So not renominating judicial appointees that don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of confirmation counts as a “concession” now. What a magnanimous guy our president is!
Hey Rayne, sorry I missed your response above. It takes a pretty sharp stick to pierce that veil of ignorance and fear. The cognitive dissonance kicks in in a big way. Those emails would get me really worked up as well, I know very well how you feel. These days I just combat that kind of hate and fear with ridicule and derision. They may not change their way of thinking but they damn well know not to bring that ignorance around me because I’m going to call them on it.
P.S. to my #66:
I am really glad to see some more union energy arising. And where did I read that Edwards is really courting that vote. As well he should with his ‘Two Americas’ idea. I saw an AEI guy on cspan 2 spouting off about the ridicuousness of Edwards ideas. Stuooooopid.
anyway good reading. Also I finally, after working all day to register for YearlyKos, 6 emails back and forth to the guy running the registration site, and 5 passwords later, I am registered. I can be very dimwitted at times. It’s O.K. Grandmas have a built in excuse.
Fitz!
Rayne, my dad is the same way. Not forwarding ignorance, but has been so brainwashed by what he calls “religion” and hate radio. Mix in a little bipolar and a high intelligence and there you have it. Recently made a fairly racist comment in front of my kids and I jumped him hard. I questioned him into silence which isn’t easy to do. I told him I would not tolerate that talk in my house. It was hard for me, but my kids had never been exposed to that shit and I’ll be damned if they are going to here it from their Grandfather.
Rayne @ 62
Well, that may play in some circles, but I don’t buy it.
Pure conservatism–that going back to Edmund Burke and his Reflections on the Revolution in France–is exactly what Bush has been espousing–that the elites should run things, and everything has to remain the same now that we’re at the top of our game.
That’s real conservatism. The destruction of any populist impulse in society. Feudalism in a blue pinstripe suit. Imperial maintenance and futher ambitions realized.
Bush is conservative to his bloody, black-hearted core.
Progressivism, by almost any definition, is the antithesis of classical conservatism.
Conservatism, despite fifty years of trying to put it in a pretty dress, is still the same old Gilded Age whore for control of everything by the very, very few.
Scarborough isn’t ashamed. He’s unhappy. There’s a difference. :)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but won’t increasing the minimum wage also pump more money into the Social Security System?
Higher hourly wages for millions of U.S. citizens means higher payroll taxes collected means more money for Social Security.
And won’t this additional money being pumped into Social Security shore up some of the shortfall projected in Social Security as baby boomers retire?
Probably even increasing the size of the Social Security surplus built up over the past years, and bolstering the financial health of Social Security by decades?
Bush will veto any minimum wage increase for this very reason. An hourly wage increase would help Social Security while Bush and the neocon Republican goal is to destroy Social Security.
Maybe, just maybe, Democrats will find enough truly “compassionate conservative” Republicans to help override any Bush veto, but if not, American citizens in 2008 will remember the Republicans who obviously don’t give a damn about the elderly in our country.
Rayne, Peterr, et all
Immigrants are the new Welfare Moms
Whenever the robber barons or the right have made a big enough dent in the communal pie for everyone to see, they point to the poor somewhere as being responsible.
In the 70s/80s they looted the Federal coffers to prop up the debacle which had a public face of the Savings and Loan bailout, then pointed unemployed single moms
Now they will attempt to blame the giant sucking noise that is big pharma and offshoring on illegal immigrants.
And Rayne, for what it’s worth, I put my mother in law in the spam folder (isn’t that where a mother in law belongs?) She would just deluging us with stupid shit and wouldn’t stop until my wife told her she got the auto-delete.
rumi @ 63
Sorry for messing up the blockquotes there. I was responding to Rumi 63. The words in the blockquote are mine.
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Mack @ 77
Actually, Reagan whipped up a big immigration brouhaha in 1985.
Xenophobia has always been an element of the plan–going right back to the beginning of the country. The Alien Acts of 1798 were John Adams’ attempt to hold onto power by raising the time for naturalization from five years to thirteen years….
montag @ 75
I understand and appreciate what you’re saying here. I see the situation a little differently and part of it comes back to the topic of this thread – unions – a force that can be used in different ways.
Do you see any negative traits that are attributed to conservatives that also apply in some way to progressives or liberals?
Rayne @ 54
That’s an attitude that’s pretty common among managers and executives these days. I think it reflects one of the truly foolish aspects of modern American business philosophy, which can best be summarized as “workers are replacable parts”. They are replacable of course, but many managers who put that theory into practice find out just how hard it is to replace those parts.
Psssst. New thread, pass it on.
The Oracle @ 76
probably, but it depends on how many mcjobs jobs the increase will destroy in the short term, and, for those jobs that can’t simply be cut off, how it eats into the short-term bottom-lines of mcjob employers. this is what Will doesn’t seem to understand. Raising the minimum wage will, in the short term, hurt employment growth by getting rid of a few of our most disposable and discretionary jobs (or, more likely, prevent them from getting developed) but,in the longterm, it benefits the economy as a whole by fueling innovation etc. In the process, it benefits the vast bulk of low-wage workers (who aren’t discretionary or easily fireable) by increasing their take-home pay. It’s a win-win for most, except for a few mcjob industry lobbies that thrive on labor exploitation (hence the rethug opposition).
Mack @ 77
well-similed.
Mad but sleepy love to all Firedogs !
gotta go, seems the hubster has to get up early*g*
montag @ 75
Ugh.. this is not my day with HTML…
My response above (to Montag) should’ve read:
Actually, I think Burke would’ve considered Bush a revolutionary freak who should be jailed by the real conservatives. The cornerstone of Burke’s argument is that gradualism, moderation and traditionalism go hand-in-hand. Bush set out to initiate rapid social and political change in the name of his theocon and neocon followers, irrespective of American culture and American traditions.. exactly the gang Burke despised. Bush is an uber-liberal, by Burkean standards… Burke would’ve supported the Tower for him I think.
Blub @ 79
I think it’s this and more. Check out nearly any thread here, including this one, and we’ll see the progressive goals that took years to destroy before it was time to pursue them. The GOP didn’t do all of this damage alone.
If unions are so valuable (yes) then why did the liberal/progressives allow them to be broken down? Could it be that the libs were also guilty of ‘I got mine” ethics of stock portfolios, lower taxes without higher minimum or lower level wages? Illegal immigration wasn’t as much an issue before now – why? Was it the lower cost of produce and durable goods that allowed the middle class to have more while the lower classes had less?
All I’m saying is that it appears that the middle class became more liberal only when the losses that occurred to the lower classes also started hitting them. I think that issues attributed to conservatives might need to be reexamined as more universal rather than divisive.
montaq — there’s a movement underway, now that you’ve mentioned Burke.
Here, Wolcott mentioned this guy today, Professor Jeffrey Hart. Read this bit on him, one of the figureheads of American conservatism. Be sure to read all the way through to his own comments, might have to grit your teeth throught the Bif-and-Muffy-ish part. I think he’s begun to see Burke in a different light.
Or a different frame, so to say. Remember that Burke was really a classical liberal; it’s the “libe” part that Hart has really begun to grok.
The neo-conservatives and the “ignorami” certainly don’t like him at all if you read their feedback in comments. Yeesh.
rumi @ 81
When you start labelling people, and trying to define them inside those labels, you can always find examples to prove common traits–in individual examples.
In the basic political theories, no, there’s no crossovers to speak of. Conservatism, by name and definition, is a resistance to inevitable change and a desire for the concentration of power in an elite through economic and political manipulation. Progressivism is the promotion of change to improve the lot of life of society in general. Liberalism, if one accepts the time-honored definition supplied by Bertrand Russell, would be: “The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment.”
Now, you may find conservatives with a pre-1900 American attitude that the country should avoid unnecessary foreign wars, and that might jive with the current views of some liberals and progressives, but for entirely different reasons, and with entirely different motivating philosophies. And, too, entirely different definitions of what constitutes “unnecessary.”
You may find people today who define themselves as “fiscally conservative and socially liberal” who are, in fact, neither liberal nor conservative.
You’ll always find individual variants on all those themes. But, the underlying philosophies in their truest senses, are radically different.
Are there common negatives? Define what constitutes a “negative” in the purely political sense of the theories themselves for me, and I might find a small number. Does each have the potential to destroy society if taken to extremes? Possibly (although, true progressivism doesn’t lend itself to extremism). Quite apart from the philosophies themselves, a bad idea is a bad idea is a bad idea, and those can creep into any system of thought.
Cheers.
rumi — IMHO, there were two major shifts that contributed to the loss of stature of unions in the U.S.
The first was the shift from a manufacturing economy to a knowledge economy. The value of the information about a product became greater than the product itself, shifting the value chain from the production line to the front office. The rise of computers tracks this shift.
The second was the increased rights of corporations over time. They have all the power that any citizen/voter has save for the right to vote; but a corporation can buy more access and a concentration of voting power through lobbying. Reagan accelerated this with his economic and tax policies, Clinton did little to stop it with the poorly written and enacted NAFTA.
We’ve not had a dialogue in this country about this mess, although we have come up to a convenient juncture that allows us to do so and expect conservatives to listen. The focal point is healthcare. The lack of adequate, affordable healthcare is a national security issue; why are we allowing a handful of companies to dictate what persons will be health-secure, all because we’ve allowed them to have more political clout than humans? Why are we demanding that corporations pit profit against their employees over healthcare, affecting their financial viability, while competing against companies in countries where government-subsidized healthcare is the norm?
The loss of manufacturing capacity overseas because of corporations’ ability to simply divest and move without repurcussions is also a national security issue.
You can see we have increasingly more common ground with conservatives these days, in which unions have a large stake.
Blub @ 87
Umm, look at some of Burke around 1810, and the context of his time. He was saying, essentially, let’s do no boat-rocking at all, because we are now at the peak of our empire. Nothing should change, he was saying, because things are going so well (and, with typical conservative blinders on, he couldn’t anticipate that things were not going well, and there was far more bubbling beneath the surface of the empire than he was willing to acknowledge).
Bush is a radical, yes, but he is doing his dead-level best to move the country back to a business and regulatory structure that existed in 1890, and is radical only because of the speed with which he’s trying to do it. He’s attempting to undo eighty years of social and political change in eight years. Burke would be appalled by that, yes, but he would applaud the impulse behind it….
montag @ 91
Thanks for the detailed reply. After reading that, I’m even more curious as to your previous comments about Scarborough’s conservatism.
I understand that extenuating circumstances affect the perception as to what intent may be behind political actions. The basic premise of change/resisting change seems like the political labels were all wrong in the case of Iraq. The conservatives wanted change, regime change in a big way while nonconservatives were resisting the change due to the uncertainty of the consequences.
I would like to think that progressives are acting for the good of all society but some have appeared to be more self-serving than altruistic. I do have great hope for the future. I also see the birth of a genuine, viable third party happening.
montaq — Burke would not applaud Bush as Bush is an imperialist; he’d support rebellion against him as he did King George.
See Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents.
Burke was repulsed by King George’s suffocating anti-democratic actions.
Rayne @ 90
I read it, and this stuck out at me:
“First of all, everything Reagan attempted succeeded.”… In contrast to Bush, Reagan was very cautious in his use of force… As Margaret Thatcher said, he destroyed the Soviet Union ‘without firing a shot.’ That was a major achievement. Iraq is a disaster.”
Hart is a Reagan Republican. That, if anything, proves my point about the nature of conservative economics and the role of government in protecting the elite. Reagan tripled the national debt in eight years by doing exactly the same thing Bush has done–raising defense spending to absurd levels in conjunction with massive tax cuts for the wealthy and for corporations.
But, Reagan smiled instead of smirked, and joked instead of needled, so, everything is different.
In this context, would there be a single conservative today complaining about Bush if the war–while still illegal and immoral and costly–had gone as Bush had wished?
Equally, the Soviet Union simply imploded of its own dead weight, but, if it hadn’t then, and had perhaps collapsed in the midst of the Clinton administration, would conservatives happily be giving Clinton credit for that?
No, certainly not. Everything today has to have the BS filtered out of it that this country has been steeped in ever since WWII.
Cheers.
Rayne @ 95
Yeah, but I think more than a little of that animosity toward King George came from his Irish half…. :)
Burke was likely more flexible than for what I’m giving him credit. And, certainly, the authoritarian streak in Bush much more resembles that of de Maistre than Burke.
But, look at Burke and de Maistre together as the progenitors of contemporary conservatism and that’s not far off, I would think. :)
Cheers.
montaq — These two folks are Reagan Republicans, too:
Bruce Fein
Paul Craig Roberts
I think Hart has not come to terms with the iconographic “Reagan” and the real “Reagan”; it’s his own personal ideology. Ironic, since he rails against ideology.
edit: I should point out that so-called real conservatives as well as liberals-progressives don’t subscribe to ideology.
Rayne @ 92
You can see we have increasingly more common ground with conservatives these days,……
yes, this is what I’ve been trying to express.
You raise some good points, but, on balance, i don’t think so. Burke could’ve cared less about commerce and business, or even administration.. and shrub’s identification with millenialists and religious radicals would’ve damned him, from Burke’s contemporary equivalent of antidisestablishmentarianist perspective… I don’t really think there’s a contemporary equivalent to Burke.. unless you count William F Buckley Jr, and, perhaps, Howard in Australia. The issues of his time were just too different.. and I still think that Bush’s rightist radicalism would’ve been as terrifying to Burke as Robespierre.
montag @ 94
rumi — got your back, eh? ;-)
montaq — I think the other factor that conservatives struggle with is that conditions change; what were once imperatives no longer work in this environment.
Adam Smith, for example, and his “invisible hand” along with his railings about interference of government in private persons’ affairs. He lived in a time when corporations did not exist as they do now, when a man’s word was his bond and did not require the assurance of Uniform Commercial Code and banking regulations in order to effect safe, reliable business transactions. UCC and banking regulations don’t just protect the chattle, the lowest class, the riff-raff; they protect the corporations and their owners providing stability for regular business traffic. They come at some expense that is borne across businesses and individuals alike, but this safety is a hidden but necessary cost of goods sold. Doing business without them can be devastatingly dangerous.
Sure Burke would have different opinions today on many matters if he lived in this environment; conservatives try to cling to all his words, but they were only prescriptive to that time in history. They are only prescriptive now when they actually fit the circumstance.
This is a point of departure for conservatives and progressives; when conservatives hang onto aged thinking so tightly, it is little more than ideology and they should be called on it.
Rayne @ 99
But, neither Fein nor Roberts, like Hart, were actually complaining about Bush until it was apparent that his strategy for Iraq was ill-advised, rather than that he was wrong right from the start. In 2001, Roberts, for example, was describing the Democratic leadership as rattlesnakes that were still dangerous until their heads were cut off. Fein didn’t seem to be making much noise until things were going sour in Iraq.
Were it not for the war (or that the war has gone badly), we might not have heard much from either Roberts or Fein concerning Bush, and yet, even without the war, Bush has been a disaster of considerable proportions.
You’re right about “true” whatevers, if ideology is narrowly and precisely and separately defined as distinct from guiding philosophy. Unfortunately, in this country, at least, they are perceived, largely, as one and the same, and I’ll admit to using that shorthand bias, myself, at times, but, only because I’m not inclined to give anyone an inch who’s secretly planning on usurping a mile. :)
Rayne – thanks. It’s often that my words are in need of translation but they come from a place in a good heart.
Thanks to all for an excellent exchange of ideas especially one without harsh words for nontraditional perspectives. I’ve learned more about the subject and that always a definite Plus-Up
:-)
montaq — what can I say? the Kool-Aid addiction is notoriously hard to break.
Can you imagine the mental gymnastics these folks have had to perform to get to a point where they’d ever bash one of their own? Their bashing of liberals is reflexive; they are primed from birth to do so. I doubt they could ever willingly give that up short of extensive electroshock-therapy and many pharmaceuticals in concert with guided hynotherapy.
But there it is, raw, naked, virtually impossible to ignore: the imperialistic, fascistic 43rd presidency. I consider Fein and Roberts more intelligent and enlightened of their cohort, to be able to see through the Kool-Aid haze.
I also wonder if they instinctually realize they will not be able to get their own message across to their own kind if they do not bash liberals reflexively in one paragraph while laying out the case for the failure of neo-conservatism/right-wing radical ideology.
Maybe it’s because I am not comfortable with HRC’s potential candidacy like Fein, that I’m so understanding…
One last stray thought that’s nagging at me, …heh(remember Peter Falk as Columbo?)…
When understanding this
In the basic political theories, no, there’s no crossovers to speak of. Conservatism, by name and definition, is a resistance to inevitable change and a desire for the concentration of power in an elite through economic and political manipulation.
does it apply as a self identifying label of a subgroup rather than what one would normally assume? If the average middle class, investor class person considered themselves as a form of elite in comparison to the lower classes, then their votes/actions would lean toward conservatism regardless of what they called themselves?
Rayne @ 102
Actually, he did. The British East India Company was pretty much in its heyday during his heyday, and it, just like corporations today, depended heavily on their insider arrangements with the governors of society.
But, Smith is largely regarded today for what is remembered of what he said by the rapacious in society. They’ve carefully ignored all of what he said about being mindful of local law and custom and being mindful of the people and resources which bring wealth, that such wealth had to be shared with them–because, if one is not mindful of them, the means to wealth diminish. Even Smith had some small notion of the joint ownership of the commons and an at least marginal understanding of the value of labor (with a decidedly Scottish bent). To that extent, today, what he wrote has been steadily perverted–for the benefit of the wealth of the few.
Admittedly, “conservatism” is now a catch-all to describe a host of political and economic behaviors and inclinations which cannot be ascribed–accurately–to a single source. It’s an amalgam of bits and pieces, drawn selectively, from everything from Plato to fascism, which is why most lefty observers today describe it as without intellectual foundation.
But, if one desires that label of “conservative” today, they’re asking to wear that silly frippery of a hat. :)
rumi @ 106
Sure. You are what you believe yourself to be. But, here’s a clue about labels. You describe in this example, the “average” “middle class, investor class” person. The average middle class person isn’t an investor, except marginally. 80% of the stock in the country is owned by the top 10% of the population. That remaining 20% is spread out among the bottom 90%, and most of that in the next 10%.
So, investing is almost entirely an upper-class preoccupation, though you see it as “middle-class.”
There are lots of people who have an extremely tiny part of the pie, a few shares of a favorite stock, or a 401(k) that is mostly their money from wages, and some of those people, certainly, may be convinced that they are part of the “ownership society,” and may self-identify on that basis.
Rayne @ 105
Yes, I understand that. I liken it to Bush I and Bush II. Bush I is the guy who liked operating behind the scenes–he was after exactly the same thing as his son, but he didn’t want to leave any fingerprints, and he wanted a legacy of public service to remain so that all his offspring could continue to use government and the contacts from government–just as he did–for personal enrichment. Bush II came along and just hung out all the laundry on the Truman balcony for everyone to see (that was a function of the haste I mentioned before).
But, they’re both elitists of the same stripe. That may be what’s annoying the shit out of Fein and Hart and Roberts–Bush has exposed, for all to see, the naked money-grubbing behind modern conservatism all these years.
Well, I’m not much liking HRC’s candidacy, either–but, not for the reasons they are. They instinctively dislike her–perhaps because of the labels she’s stuck on herself–while I don’t think the labels much apply to her. Hillary Clinton started life as a Young Republican and, where it counts, still is one. :)
And there we actually have full agreement. HRC was a Goldwater girl, and is still one. That’s the biggest reason for me not to trust her, right next to her ineptitude with triangulation. Goldwater by today’s standards is a liberal Republican, but still a Republican at the core. So is she (can take the girl out of Goldwater, but not the Goldwater out of the girl).
I think that’s exactly what terrifies them so much on the other side of the aisle, although they’d never articulate it (probably incapable of doing so, another failure to separate the icon from the real). They are afraid that she’s liberal enough to win, conservative enough to take swing-voters, and not cut from their au courant type of conservative; she’s not an ideologue, and they trust ideologues.
She’s also got a class issue hanging over her, like she’s nouveau riche moving in a much older money circle. Can’t quite pin it down, but it’s there, and they don’t like riff-raff that hasn’t been aged and steeped in their investments for hundreds of years. The class thing doesn’t bother me. It bothers me more that I can see it but that I can’t quite get a bead on it.
AirportCat @
17
Agreed, AirportCat, & based on our current leadership vacuum in the White House, we might all go out & rent Sayles’ “Silver City” also…
Increasing the minimum wage is the best thing the Democrats will do. It will also help them politically for years because the GOP refused to increase it.
montag @ 107
We are now suffering the consequences of a long term drive that was mostly driven by the (previous) middle class. It’s part of what made the New Democrat – Progressive movements attractive over a decade ago. The irony is, it’s mostly the same folks who now want to fix it because Bush turned all of the benefits upward to a smaller select group -faster. The slow growth and return on investment was changed in the 90s to a new hope of fast wealth and extra expendable income. This isn’t only stock investments, it’s buying and selling houses for huge profits, perks offered as job packages, misc benefits…they all created a mindset that demanded record profits at each quarterly report and at least partially driven by the middle class with the perception of themselves as included in ‘the elite’ as compared to those without.
The negative effects are also seen by the attractiveness of union representation…
The benefit of being in any elite group is that it supports a drastic disparity in income potential and opportunity.
montag @ 9
Boys and girls, with regard to Wal-Mart, we have met the enemy, and he is us.
Collectively, we are the Wal*Mart problem. As long as we continue to shop there, we are subsidizing and encouraging their bad behavior.
The way around the Wal*Mart problem is through patronage. Don’t shop at Wal*Mart. Shop at K-Mart or Target instead. Don’t shop at Sam’s Club. Join (and shop at) CostCo (or another warehouse store in your area) instead.
There are other things to do, like oppose Wal*Mart’s expansion plans when they violate your local zoning laws.
As long as we (collectively) patronize Wal*Mart, Sam Walton’s heirs are going fuck over the help and their suppliers. It’s that simple, folks.
Step 1: Stop patronizing Wal*Mart (and its affiliates — they’re trying to move upscale).
Step 2: Raise the consciousness of those around you. Get them to understand that low prices have hidden costs of human exploitation.
Step 3: Hurl thy Holy Hand Grenade at thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.
BC
montag @ 97
Emphasis added by me.
That is such a load of bullshit. Fresh, stinking bullshit, not the useful composted bullshit.
Remember the Beirut Airport? That didn’t work out so well, did it?
Remember the Contra scandal? That didn’t work out so well, did it?
In point of fact, it seems more correct to say that the only thing Ronnie Raygun attempted that succeeded was to goad the Soviets into an arms race that bankrupted their economy. Oh, and busting unions.
BC
I don’t know how anyone could say that 2006 was “not bad” for labor when it brought us the Kentucky River decision, one of the most anti-union, anti-labor NLRB decisions in history. I think you should reassess that conclusion.