The worse thing that could happen? Nuclear war.

1,399 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON..

Time ta hit the streets.

KEEP THE FAITH AND THROW THE MOTHERFUCKERS OUT!!

Jane

You must not have listened to Joe Lieberman on the campaign trail.

No one wants to end the war and get our troops home more than him.

-GSD

P.S.

Bush/Abramoff B.F.F.

You all say you despise Joe Liberman.

But none of you could possible despise him more than I.

So there!

—in other words this moment cries out for the kind of courageous leadership that does what can succeed and win in Iraq — not what will command the largest number of political supporters in Congress….we need to support the President as he goes forward, hopefully with exactly that kind of new initiative in Iraq.

Kinda makes you want to McVomit doesn’t it?

Morris Sheppard @
4

You all say you despise Joe Liberman.

But none of you could possible despise him more than I.

So there!

my contempt for Joe Lieberman would be hard to top, but I bow to yours.

You know, looking at that pic, I’ve seen chipper men at the shuffleboard on my way to work.

“Bloody” John McCain and Joe “The Butcher” Lieberman are never going to change. Is there anything we can do to marginalize these two running dogs of the Bushoviks?

If they could take just a moment to outline in a sentence or two what success, victory, or winning would look like. Then we could clasp that bright, shiny image to our collective breast and renew our support for Lil Boots and BootCo.

Liebensraum was a more compelling argument than what these fools have crapped out.

Montag: Buy them a butcher shop :$

I guess “bipartisanship” does not mean “a compromise among factions in American politics.” Instead it means following the Leader without question and despite extensiive opposition from the American people.

I need a “Lieberman dictionary.”

After we kick down every last door in Baghdad, then what? Let’s see if Congress has the cubes to put a stop to this madness.

Eet can be illuminative to ponder what weel happen when they get their maldito leetle “urges”, and they go horrribly, predictably, wrong, yet again.

Straight eento the leeterbox. Just like before.

Then these gomberros weel begin to whine that eet was no done correctly. That because el Chimperador would no do everytheeng their way that thees effort was doomed to fail. There ees already precedent for thees een recent “acceptably serious” media dialogue.

Sheet, they can take some of Kristol’s recent screeds, and postdate them for September, 2007.

Pfui, on thees kabuki.

so.

Flash at bottom of screen on C-Span

Authorities say cargo at Miami Port did not contain explosives as originall reported…

Now, that’s a big surprise.

Wolfie has a chubby over the latest in the Saddam death porn pictures.

-GSD

Lieberman: The worst thing that could happen here is that there be some kind of attempt to resolve this pivotal moment with a compromise among factions in American politics and in the American Congress…

Refresh my failing memory.
Isn’t this the same jerkoff thats always running around whining and bitching about bi-partisanship?
Joe, Go fuck yourself.

Scarecrow @ 11

I guess “bipartisanship” does not mean “a compromise among factions in American politics.” Instead it means following the Leader without question and despite extensiive opposition from the American people.

I need a “Lieberman dictionary.”

You took the words right out of my mouth.

For Lieberman, bipartisanship = total acquiescence to Bush.

And “compromise” is only a good thing when it is Democrats who do the compromising.

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Maybe Joe should just say what he really and truly wants: for the troops to exit through Iran. Come on, Joe, admit it. You won’t be happy until our soldiers are in Iran.

We don’t abandon the troops. We bring them home. Do you understand this non-difficult concept, Democrats? Like in Vietnam. We just leave.

Senator Bloodbath (CFL-CT)

Man, that is pathetic. ‘We all need to support the President as he goes forward, HOPEFULLY with that kind of (courageous, able to succeed and win) initiative’ ???

Hopefully? Like, we’re supposed to throw away our free will and intelligence to support this proven buffoon, and Lieberman can’t even guarantee what kind of initiative the President is planning? And we’re just supposed to hope that it can succeed? (Whatever that means?)

I think Joltin’ Joe is transcending normal space-time and tapping slimy quisling weaseloid energy from alternate universes. How else can he have so much of it?

I heard someone say today: it’s not Iraq; it’s Iran, stupid.

NBC: U.S. airstrikes target suspected Al-Qaeda operations in Somalia

punaise @ 6

Morris Sheppard @
4

You all say you despise Joe Liberman.

But none of you could possible despise him more than I.

So there!

my contempt for Joe Lieberman would be hard to top, but I bow to yours.

In the spirit of comity maybe we could share the honors.

twolf1 @ 24

NBC: U.S. airstrikes target suspected Al-Qaeda operations in Somalia

Here we go folks.

Shorter Lieberman: Democracy is vastly overrated.

BREAKING! BUSH-ABRAMOFF PIC

see also huffingtonpost

U.S. bombing Somalia. WTF? Where did that come from? It wouldn’t have surprised me if I heard Bush was bombing Iran–but Somalia?

Note that the people being bombed are suspected al-Qaeda…

‘Things’ are spinning out of control.

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Dr. Strangelove

Morris Sheppard @ 25

You all say you despise Joe Liberman.

But none of you could possible despise him more than I.

So there!

my contempt for Joe Lieberman would be hard to top, but I bow to yours.

In the spirit of comity maybe we could share the honors.

that works

I would be pleased to supply my own generous share of contempt for Joe Lieberman.

My contempt is bigger than yours.

Did Somalia attack us?

Somalia air strike story now on MSNBC

Sorry, but FUCK JOE LIEBERMAN.

Forgive me! I lost it for a moment.

Lieberman has picked up the Bush line that the more wrongheaded and patently stupid something is the more it should be pursued unquestioningly.

I’m all for sending Joe Lieberman and John McCain to Iraq.

NOW.

And don’t let them anywhere near the Green Zone.

As usual, Joe is wrong. “The worst thing that could happen” is that Bush gets his way.

But what do I know? I’m probably too shrill and unserious. No one should listen to me because I haven’t been wrong enough, long enough.

You have to be very wrong, for a very long time, to rate being listened to. Just ask Joe Klein who thinks being completely wrong about nearly everything is the mark of courage and seriousness.

Sha @ 37

Sorry, but FUCK JOE LIEBERMAN.

Forgive me! I lost it for a moment.

I hope you wear a body condom when doing so….

now, now…let’s not have any contempt contre-temps. there’s plenty for everybody.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 35

Did Somalia attack us?

Did Iraq attack us?

saying it targeted the group suspected of conducting US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

-US aircraft carrier headed towards the region

Lieberman’s state should be proud when the soldiers start dying at a rate of 500 to 600 a month. I noticed the McCain/Lieberman could care less about our troops dying like flies while the Iraq puppet Maliki signed deals for the White House/GOP/Daddy Bush and friends steal oil from the Iraq people. Connie Rice’s statement of our troops death were investments was right their deaths are investments for Iraq oil rates and for Bush/Cheney to be in position to attack Iran/Syria from Iraq soil. The media reported the shocking deaths of 106 dead soldiers in Dec. Look will be reported when the numbers are 500 dead Lieberman will be happy to know he’s a large part of the Axis of Evil called George W. Bush.

punaise @ 32

Morris Sheppard @ 25

You all say you despise Joe Liberman.

But none of you could possible despise him more than I.

So there!

my contempt for Joe Lieberman would be hard to top, but I bow to yours.

In the spirit of comity maybe we could share the honors.

that works

Done!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 35

Did Somalia attack us?

No, not yet. But now they will! After all, remember 9/11…and somehow Somalia is connected.

We’ve ignored Africa totally. Now it will be on W’s radar screen.

Lieberman now on the NewsHour. If we leave Iraq, Iran will surge in and it will be a victory for al Qaeda.

Sorry, Joe, al Qaeda is Sunni, but hey, why do you need facts if you have certainty?

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

For a more recent example, may I direct your attention to Connecticut Democrats who voted for Lieberman.

Report: U.S. airstrike targets al-Qaida in Africa

Yeah, and if we “lose” they will follow us home!

Hugh @ 47

Lieberman now on the NewsHour. If we leave Iraq, Iran will surge in and it will be a victory for al Qaeda.

Sorry, Joe, al Qaeda is Sunni, but hey, why do you need facts if you have certainty?

And run for office!
raven @ 50

Yeah, and if we “lose” they will follow us home!

Hugh @ 47

Lieberman now on the NewsHour. If we leave Iraq, Iran will surge in and it will be a victory for al Qaeda.

Sorry, Joe, al Qaeda is Sunni, but hey, why do you need facts if you have certainty?

punaise @ 42

now, now…let’s not have any contempt contre-temps. there’s plenty for everybody.

Then how about a contumely controversy?

Geraldo wants to fight Keith Olbermann

Let me get this straight, we bomb Somalia based on intel from Ethiopia? Well, that’s comforting. But the U.S. intel was to blame for supplying bad info to Bush and that’s why we attacked Iraq.

lisadawn82 @
41

Sha @ 37

Sorry, but FUCK JOE LIEBERMAN.

Forgive me! I lost it for a moment.

I hope you wear a body condom when doing so….

Yuck! I hadn’t thought of it quite like that…I’m off to get fitted for a full-body condom!

You gives ‘em books and gives ‘em books and all they do is chews on the covers.
sigh
You can’t say we didn’t try to tell CT. Gawd knows, we tried.

more – CBS: U.S. Attacks Al Qaeda In Somalia

twolf1 @ 53

Geraldo wants to fight Keith Olbermann

And I want to watch!

Will the younger, stronger, smarter, taller one (K.O.) win? Probably by a KO.

I wonder if Joe has kissed George lately?

ccmask @
10

Montag: Buy them a butcher shop :$

Well, this is going to get confusing (especially for me :) ). Gonna have to start calling us Montag 1 and Montag 2. :)

Lieberman doesn’t care if a bunch of people not named Lieberman die. No Bush has ever cared if a bunch of people not named Bush die. McCain has transformed himself into McBush. They all need to go away.

KO was hilarious on Dan Partick this afternoon talking about it. Methinks he would not shirk the opportunity.

portia.vz @ 56

You gives ‘em books and gives ‘em books and all they do is chews on the covers.
sigh
You can’t say we didn’t try to tell CT. Gawd knows, we tried.

As they say, you can lead a whore to culture, but you can’t make her think.

That was my ans. to your #10 Montag. It is Montag, right?

Wait a minute, I thought Joseph was fighting terror in order to protect our freedoms?

Y’know…I read that quote, I listened to the clip, and although I think I know what he’s attempting to say it’s just so garbled as to be incomprehensible.

Must be Bush’s nutsack in his mouth

ccmask @ 64

That was my ans. to your #10 Montag. It is Montag, right?

There seem to be two of us now. :)

Either that or I gained weight. :)

Hugh @
31

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Dr. Strangelove

Um, Agammemnon comes close. First, he insists on going off to war to reclaim some tasty Greek pastry, then he tries to appease Athena by sacrificing his daughter Ephigenia, then he refuses to listen to Cassandra who tells him they are both about to be slaughtered by a righteously indignant wife and her lover. Then he takes a niiiiiice, hot bath.
That’ll learn him.

Prepping for the surge? For the last couple of weeks, Ethiopian troops have been pushing Islamic forces, which the US claims to be “al-Qaeda” out of the cities and the capital of Somalia, until the Islamic forces were pushed into the southern end of the country. All this in support of the “recognized” government which seems little more than warlords. The US was providing intelligence, but not direct military intervention.

Tonight, for no apparent reason, the Bush Administration decides to attack the retreating Islamic forces. Why? What stratetic objective does this serve, other than to refocus the news on the US military and the President as Commander in Chief, attacking someone we call al Qaeda. In the meantime, MSNBC is reporting that one of the carrier tasks forces is being redeployed towards Somalia. For what?

The US attack reportedly consisted of using a C130 gunship. Those of us from Vietnam will remember these as “spooky gun ships” because they worked mostly at night — they carry a medium size cannon (105 mm?) and extensive automatic machine guns. It produces a horrendous amount of firepower from out of the sky.

But why this? Why now? This looks like a huge distraction and an engagement (and another set of enemies) we didn’t need.

More from the Newshours
The wisdom of Senator Cornyn: We can’t look at Iraq through a soda straw.

I know he’s conservative but dang I have to agree with him on that one.

Cornyn said earlier that too much was at stake in Iraq for us to fail there. This is another example of Republican misdirection. Bush and his Republicans have already failed in Iraq. Iraq is lost and the Republicans lost it.

Ranks right up there w/ Barbara Bush’s “this is working out very well for them.”

@ 18..I didn’t either but I think for Greek and Roman stupidity it would be: Greek: the Athenian war hawks who invaded Syracuse and Roman: Gen. Crassus, who for his own ego, invaded Parthia and was wiped-out.

This IS exciting. A possible new front in Africa. I’ve also heard that Al Qaeda is hiding out in Grenada.

Dammit, someone let George push the shiny buttons again.

Scarecrow @ 69

Prepping for the surge? For the last couple of weeks, Ethiopian troops have been pushing Islamic forces, which the US claims to be “al-Qaeda” out of the cities and the capital of Somalia, until the Islamic forces were pushed into the southern end of the country. All this in support of the “recognized” government which seems little more than warlords. The US was providin intelligence, but not direct military intervention.

Tonight, for no apparent reason, the Bush Administration decides to attack the retreating Islamic forces. Why? What stratetic objective does this serve, other than to refocus on the news on the US military and the President as Commander in Chief. In the meantime, MSNBC is reporting that one of the carrier tasks forces is being redeployed towards Somalia. For what?

The US attack reportedly consisted of using a C130 gunship. Those of us from Vietnam will remember these as “spooky gun ships” because they worked mostly at night — they carry a medium size cannon (105 mm?) and extensive automatic machine guns. It produces a horrendous amount of firepower from out of the sky.

But why this? Why now? This looks like a huge distraction and an engagement (and another set of enemies) we didn’t need.

Scarecrow, you beat me to it. I was going to ask about the current location of that lot of ships – and if this makes anyone wonder about their ultimate destination and mission.

Wasn’t there a connection between the Blackhawk Down deal and Osama that our intel didn’t know about until after?

ps, they added the 105’s to Spooky after the Nam didn’t they?
Scarecrow @ 69

Prepping for the surge? For the last couple of weeks, Ethiopian troops have been pushing Islamic forces, which the US claims to be “al-Qaeda” out of the cities and the capital of Somalia, until the Islamic forces were pushed into the southern end of the country. All this in support of the “recognized” government which seems little more than warlords. The US was providin intelligence, but not direct military intervention.

Tonight, for no apparent reason, the Bush Administration decides to attack the retreating Islamic forces. Why? What stratetic objective does this serve, other than to refocus on the news on the US military and the President as Commander in Chief. In the meantime, MSNBC is reporting that one of the carrier tasks forces is being redeployed towards Somalia. For what?

The US attack reportedly consisted of using a C130 gunship. Those of us from Vietnam will remember these as “spooky gun ships” because they worked mostly at night — they carry a medium size cannon (105 mm?) and extensive automatic machine guns. It produces a horrendous amount of firepower from out of the sky.

But why this? Why now? This looks like a huge distraction and an engagement (and another set of enemies) we didn’t need.

Whoops! Iphegenia was sacrificed to Artemis. But I don’t think she was really dead. I think she makes an appearance in another play when her brother Orestes finds her.
In any case, Clytemnestra had cause.

raven @
76

Wasn’t there a connection between the Blackhawk Down deal and Osama that our intel didn’t know about until after?

ps, they added the 105’s to Spooky (puff) after the Nam didn’t they?
Scarecrow @ 69

Prepping for the surge? For the last couple of weeks, Ethiopian troops have been pushing Islamic forces, which the US claims to be “al-Qaeda” out of the cities and the capital of Somalia, until the Islamic forces were pushed into the southern end of the country. All this in support of the “recognized” government which seems little more than warlords. The US was providin intelligence, but not direct military intervention.

Tonight, for no apparent reason, the Bush Administration decides to attack the retreating Islamic forces. Why? What stratetic objective does this serve, other than to refocus on the news on the US military and the President as Commander in Chief. In the meantime, MSNBC is reporting that one of the carrier tasks forces is being redeployed towards Somalia. For what?

The US attack reportedly consisted of using a C130 gunship. Those of us from Vietnam will remember these as “spooky gun ships” because they worked mostly at night — they carry a medium size cannon (105 mm?) and extensive automatic machine guns. It produces a horrendous amount of firepower from out of the sky.

But why this? Why now? This looks like a huge distraction and an engagement (and another set of enemies) we didn’t need.

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Easy one. Publius Quinctilius Varus, the man whose bad judgment cost three legions.

Is Somalia near Iran…or on the way to Iran…must check out a map!

Fern @ 75

Scarecrow @ 69

Prepping for the surge? For the last couple of weeks, Ethiopian troops have been pushing Islamic forces, which the US claims to be “al-Qaeda” out of the cities and the capital of Somalia, until the Islamic forces were pushed into the southern end of the country. All this in support of the “recognized” government which seems little more than warlords. The US was providin intelligence, but not direct military intervention.

Tonight, for no apparent reason, the Bush Administration decides to attack the retreating Islamic forces. Why? What stratetic objective does this serve, other than to refocus on the news on the US military and the President as Commander in Chief. In the meantime, MSNBC is reporting that one of the carrier tasks forces is being redeployed towards Somalia. For what?

The US attack reportedly consisted of using a C130 gunship. Those of us from Vietnam will remember these as “spooky gun ships” because they worked mostly at night — they carry a medium size cannon (105 mm?) and extensive automatic machine guns. It produces a horrendous amount of firepower from out of the sky.

But why this? Why now? This looks like a huge distraction and an engagement (and another set of enemies) we didn’t need.

Scarecrow, you beat me to it. I was going to ask about the current location of that lot of ships – and if this makes anyone wonder about their ultimate destination and mission.

For what it’s worth, the MSNBC Web site beat the CNN Web site by at least 15 minutes on the Somalia story.

I don’t know how their cable channels did.

raven — don’t know when the 105s were added. I remember watching the tracers in the night, and once in a while, an explosion, but I couldn’t tell from what, and our LZs we had our own 155s and 105s going off during the night.

Rove is behind this I read

A slap in the face to the voters, a slap in the face to the new Congress, a slap to the ISG.

This is Bushs last stand. And he will try to make the Dems look weak if they cant stop it.

More of the same and Im angry…..

neurophius @ 81

For what it’s worth, the MSNBC Web site beat the CNN Web site by at least 15 minutes on the Somalia story.

I don’t know how their cable channels did.

CNN took a while to pick up the story on teevee too. my guess about 15 mins after MSNBC

Hugh @ 31

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Dr. Strangelove

Don’t know about Joe, but for Bush there’s always Caligula. After all, he once appointed his favorite horse, Incitatus, to a seat on the Senate, which is sort of like appointing the head of a horse breeder’s association to head FEMA.

Is Somalia near Iran…or on the way to Iran…must check out a map!

Looks like it.

twolf1 @ 53

Geraldo wants to fight Keith Olbermann

I’m putting a hundred bucks on a K.O. by K.O. in the first round. Or, if possible, before the first round.

thanks, classicists

Is this Somalia business a PR thingie designed to make our prez appear macho for his Wed. night speech?

I understand the U.S. military says there were civilian casualties, but they didn’t know how many.

Somalia = bases/refueling on the way up to Iran!!!

The Somalia business may be in preparation for declaring a new domino theory. Now, when Bush makes his speech Wednesday night, he can claim that al-Quaeda is spreading from Iraq to Africa. If we don’t escalate the war in Iraq (the “central front in the war on terror”), al-Qaeda is going to be EVERYWHERE. The only rational response, he can say, is to escalate the war in Iraq.

Everythingseemssoneat @ 65

Wait a minute, I thought Joseph was fighting terror in order to protect our freedoms?

Or was that the other way around…?

OT.
Matt Stoller over at MYDD is giving a shout out to Scarecrow.
Stand up and take a bow.

Can Congress Stop the Escalation?

by Matt Stoller, Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 05:41:22 PM EST

This is a good and important question. If Bush really wants to escalate the war and will ignore anyone and everyone to do so, is it possible for Congress to stop him? Joe Biden says no. He told the President ‘no’ last month, after the election, which gave Bush the greenlight. But is it really true?

I’m no lawyer, but this isn’t a legal question, really. It’s a question of politics and willpower. Scarecrow, in two great posts, has pointed out that the surge into Iraq means pulling troops out of Afghanistan, and that there really is only one option for a President who simply won’t respect the rule of law or Congressional authority.
snip

http://www.mydd.com/

I heard the president has finished thinking and has decided to look to Doug Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Perle, Elliot Abrams, Bill Kristol, Scooter Libby, Robert Kagan, Dov Zakheim, Philip Zelikow and Richard Bruce Cheney for answers regarding the situation in Iraq.

Sha @ 90

Somalia = bases/refueling on the way up to Iran!!!

I think we already have many bases in countries in/near the ME.

EvilDrPuma @ 87

twolf1 @ 53

Geraldo wants to fight Keith Olbermann

I’m putting a hundred bucks on a K.O. by K.O. in the first round. Or, if possible, before the first round.

Actually, I’d rather see Olbermann toy with Geraldo for a few rounds. You know… make it hurt.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 96

EvilDrPuma @ 87

twolf1 @ 53

Geraldo wants to fight Keith Olbermann

I’m putting a hundred bucks on a K.O. by K.O. in the first round. Or, if possible, before the first round.

Actually, I’d rather see Olbermann toy with Geraldo for a few rounds. You know… make it hurt.

Jerry Rivers Geraldo will attempt a Tysonesque ear-bite

Ohhhhh. Wanna bet that W talks about this strike at the heart of al-Qaeda in Somalia in his rationale for escalation. The region NEEDS US! It will collapse WITHOUT US. Al-Qaeda is on the move – Iran is behind it all. We must fight them in Somalia so we don’t have to fight them on 42nd Street!

VOMIT.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 96

Actually, I’d rather see Olbermann toy with Geraldo for a few rounds. You know… make it hurt.

It would be worth it for the pre-fight trash talk.

Olbermann: Geraldo Rivera left his balls in Al Capone’s vault!

EvilDrPuma @ 79

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Easy one. Publius Quinctilius Varus, the man whose bad judgment cost three legions.

Yes, but wasn’t Augustus urged to send Varus into Germany by a Roman senator, I think his name was Crassus Liebermanus Stupidus if I remember correctly.

Sha @ 80

Is Somalia near Iran…or on the way to Iran…must check out a map!

Somalia is on the east African coast, north of Kenya, across the Red Sea, roughly, from Saudi Arabia.

I would guess it would take just a day or day and a half for a carrier group to move from the Arabian Sea south of Iran to the Somalia coast under full steam.

Secondary explosions from enemy “structures” no doubt. I remember a guy in one of my graduate classes in the 90’s mentioning the howitzers in the Spectre and I was blown away at the idea! The wall of fire from those suckers are something you will never forget.

Scarecrow @ 82

raven — don’t know when the 105s were added. I remember watching the tracers in the night, and once in a while, an explosion, but I couldn’t tell from what, and our LZs we had our own 155s and 105s going off during the night.

Lieberman: The worst thing that could happen here is that there be some kind of attempt to resolve this pivotal moment with a compromise among factions in American politics and in the American Congress rather than doing what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq

Right on Joe! Who can disagree with that? Let’s do “what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq” Let’s withdraw immediately. Withdrawal is the plan that is surest to succeed.

Hugh @ 100

EvilDrPuma @ 79

punaise @ 18

I never studied the classics. Is there any political figure in Greek or Roman history who displayed such callous idiocy, or is Joe creating a new category unto himself? Because it’s getting to be truly epic.

Easy one. Publius Quinctilius Varus, the man whose bad judgment cost three legions.

Yes, but wasn’t Augustus urged to send Varus into Germany by a Roman senator, I think his name was Crassus Liebermanus Stupidus if I remember correctly.

A certain Sanctus Janus Macainus was also involved, as I recall. Signed, your humble chronicler, Gaius Maximus Sardonicus.

Like Lewis and Schmelling, hold him up ad go for the ribs.

EvilDrPuma @ 99

Oklahoma kiddo @ 96

Actually, I’d rather see Olbermann toy with Geraldo for a few rounds. You know… make it hurt.

It would be worth it for the pre-fight trash talk.

Olbermann: Geraldo Rivera left his balls in Al Capone’s vault!

Wigwam @ 103

Lieberman: The worst thing that could happen here is that there be some kind of attempt to resolve this pivotal moment with a compromise among factions in American politics and in the American Congress rather than doing what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq

Right on Joe! Who can disagree with that? Let’s do “what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq” Let’s withdraw immediately. Withdrawal is the plan that is surest to succeed.

You got it.

Out of curiosity, has there been any local CT feedback on Holy Joe saying one thing on Iraq during the campaign and another after being elected?

Is CT pissed yet?

Ahhhhh, but how many well-informed Americans know that? So there’s always room to claim that NOW THAT THE DECIDER HAS DECIDED, we’re prepared.

God Bless George for protecting this (once) wonderful country (who’s going to protect us from HIM?)

Scarecrow @ 95

Sha @ 90

Somalia = bases/refueling on the way up to Iran!!!

I think we already have many bases in countries in/near the ME.

OT – Senator asks Bush to explain signing statement that gives President authority to open mail without warrant

I want my party, the Demos, to cut funding for the Iraq war.

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

Oklahoma kiddo @
35

Did Somalia attack us?

Things have ratcheted up the last couple of weeks there, with Ethiopia launching air attacks against so-called Islamist militias around New Year’s. This got me then, as I wondered, or rather did not wonder, why Ethiopia had a trained fighter group ready for that kind of thing.

U.S. zooming in itself openly in the wake of that suggests to me that these m!therf!ckers are panicking. Sha’s suggestion above might also be a factor, though—is it possible that Blair has hinted that Bush won’t have Diego Garcia for an Iran attack?

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

They will greet us as liberators?

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

Absolutely.

Olbermann in ten. I hope.

The worse thing that happended was Holy Joe was reelected. That has to be one of the most arrogant comments I’ve ever read.

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

All the bigotry of the original Crusades! Twice the bloodshed! Half the intelligence!

Joe Leiberman makes me sick.

Rot in hell Joe.

I don’t suppose there is any chance this dude is someone we actually should have gone after? Fazul

Should Congress consider an emergency session? I wonder when would they think that in order. It would be a real black eye to have something jump off while everyone was sleeping, even if there’s nothing immediate they can do.

Wigwam @
103

Lieberman: The worst thing that could happen here is that there be some kind of attempt to resolve this pivotal moment with a compromise among factions in American politics and in the American Congress rather than doing what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq

Right on Joe! Who can disagree with that? Let’s do “what is right and has the highest prospect of succeeding in Iraq” Let’s withdraw immediately. Withdrawal is the plan that is surest to succeed.

Agree completely! Troops home NOW! Pull ‘em out. If the atrocious level of killing decreases then it proves what the majority already knows – our troop presence was fueling it. If it doesn’t, then we can just throw it back in AWOL’s face that they are “fighting over there which means they’re not fighting over here.”

God I’m pissed, do you know how physically and mentally taxing it is to be this angry at your own govt day in and day?

Oh, fuck, this stupid football game is tonight!

The schmucks!

@ 85..Comparing Bush to Gaius (aka Caligula) is very unfair to the memory of Caligula. Gaius was said to be a first rate speaker and well educated in both Greek and Latin. Bush speaks no language known to this planet.

Stall and Escalate, the new Bush strategy…right up to Jan 20, 2009…then it’s the next guy’s problem.

How many deaths, how many casualties until then?

Holy Joe and Bushie should remember the lesson of Abraham offering up his son Isaac…if their faith in their own folly is so strong, let them send their own children first. Gen. 22 is in both their holy books. Oh, that’s right, Bushie stopped going to hear ministers preach, he only listens to the voices in his own head now.

Oh gee you have to wait a whole week to see what Jack Bauer would do!

prostratedragon @ 122

Oh, fuck, this stupid football game is tonight!

The schmucks!

prostratedragon @ 122

Oh, fuck, this stupid football game is tonight!

The schmucks!

prostratedragon @ 120

Should Congress consider an emergency session? I wonder when would they think that in order. It would be a real black eye to have something jump off while everyone was sleeping, even if there’s nothing immediate they can do.

Not sleeping. At the championship game….

Recall: A Christian God “talks” to Bush and presumedly tells the prez how to act. Muslims do not talk to the “Real” God. Bush is a zealot and a fanatic.

1,399 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..

CCitizen Scarecrow:

Those “miniguns” on the C130 can deliver hell in less than a minute…I remember watchin’ the tongues of tracers lick out against the night. They were like a big rollin’red rivers…we’d watch the first ones approach the side of a hill and then hold our breaths until the last one hit the ground and everythin’ went dark again.

God help me they were beautiful in the night…beautiful holy hell.

KEEP THE FAITH AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS INSANITY…GOD IS WATCHIN’!!!

Steve @ 123

@ 85..Comparing Bush to Gaius (aka Caligula) is very unfair to the memory of Caligula. Gaius was said to be a first rate speaker and well educated in both Greek and Latin. Bush speaks no language known to this planet.

According to my most recent communications with Memory Alpha, he speaks no language known anywhere.

Don’t know where Lieberman is coming from- maybe he actually believes his own shit…

McCain, on the other hand, is out there tryin to roll a number the hard way… the odds are against him..Most possible Iraq outcomes between now and 2008 leave him totally fucked- wonder who’s planning his strategy?

I did some wiki-ing. There is a detachment of C-130 gunships at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti.

Geraldo is like that safe he opened years back. Nothing there.

Folks can’t get this unless they experience it.

NorskeFlamethrower @ 128

1,399 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..

CCitizen Scarecrow:

Those “miniguns” on the C130 can deliver hell in less than a minute…I remember watchin’ the tongues of tracers lick out against the night. They were like a big rollin’red rivers…we’d watch the first ones approach the side of a hill and then hold our breaths until the last one hit the ground and everythin’ went dark again.

God help me they were beautiful in the night…beautiful holy hell.

KEEP THE FAITH AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS INSANITY…GOD IS WATCHIN’!!!

Keif is on! Keif is on!

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

I think Muslims will see it that way. But notice that it’s being reported not as “muslims” but as “al-Qaeda.” In the weeks when the Islamic forces were in the capital and the “government” was isolated in one small area, no one was calling the Islamic forces “al-Qaeda.” But now we’re attacking them, they’re all al Qaeda. MSNBC reporting is falling into this without question. I have no idea what the truth is.

1,399 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on…

P.S Scarecrow:

Didin’t there used ta be a Huey with those miniguns attached…I think the grunts called ‘em “Puff the Magic Dragon” ‘cuz the little bastards looked like a drangonfly with napalm breath.

KEEP THE FAITH…OH GOD ARE THEY DOIN’ THIS ALL OVER AGAIN??

It’s probably been mentioned before but when is C-Span and other media going to quit calling Joe the Butcher a Democrat.

Nah, Puff and Spooky were the same. There were Hueys with mini’s and Cobra’s have them in the nose.

Magi Dragon

NorskeFlamethrower @ 136

1,399 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on…

P.S Scarecrow:

Didin’t there used ta be a Huey with those miniguns attached…I think the grunts called ‘em “Puff the Magic Dragon” ‘cuz the little bastards looked like a drangonfly with napalm breath.

KEEP THE FAITH…OH GOD ARE THEY DOIN’ THIS ALL OVER AGAIN??

One last thing about Publius Quinctilius Varus. Not only did he lose three Roman legions and his life, he also lost a goodly portion of the empire, which was never to be recovered, and Rome consequently never again attempted the conquest of what is now modern Germany.

Wally @ 137

It’s probably been mentioned before but when is C-Span and other media going to quit calling Joe the Butcher a Democrat.

It would have helped if the Democratic Party had unambiguously told him where he could stick his “independent” run back in August.

I guess that little scare at the Miami Ports that Tony mentioned during his presser today was just a staged event to help in the push for more troops. Tony Snow said “Like this new threat at the port of Miami, when people hear about it right away they think terror so that what Bush is fighting to win.

snow job

Morris Sheppard @ 139

One last thing about Publius Quinctilius Varus. Not only did he lose three Roman legions and his life, he also lost a goodly portion of the empire, which was never to be recovered, and Rome consequently never again attempted the conquest of what is now modern Germany.

I wouldn’t quite put it that way; sure, Augustus had dreams of a Germania Magna, but the region was hardly secure before Varus screwed up.

Scarecrow @
135

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

I think Muslims will see it that way. But notice that it’s being reported not as “muslims” but as “al-Qaeda.” In the weeks when the Islamic forces were in the capital and the “government” was isolated in one small area, no one was calling the Islamic forces “al-Qaeda.” But now we’re attacking them, they’re all al Qaeda. MSNBC reporting is falling into this without question. I have no idea what the truth is.

I wonder whether that isn’t an effort to head off AUMF talk?

From Lieberman Wiki:

Lieberman is officially listed in Senate records for the 110th Congress as an Independent senator[1], and sits as part of the Democratic Senate caucus in the upcoming 110th Congress.

NorskeFlamethrower @ 136

1,399 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on…

P.S Scarecrow:

Didin’t there used ta be a Huey with those miniguns attached…I think the grunts called ‘em “Puff the Magic Dragon” ‘cuz the little bastards looked like a drangonfly with napalm breath.

KEEP THE FAITH…OH GOD ARE THEY DOIN’ THIS ALL OVER AGAIN??

Remember the name, but never saw one.

EvilDrPuma @ 142

Morris Sheppard @ 139

One last thing about Publius Quinctilius Varus. Not only did he lose three Roman legions and his life, he also lost a goodly portion of the empire, which was never to be recovered, and Rome consequently never again attempted the conquest of what is now modern Germany.

I wouldn’t quite put it that way; sure, Augustus had dreams of a Germania Magna, but the region was hardly secure before Varus screwed up.

I’d like to see Geraldo fight Obelix.

Scarecrow @ 135

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

I think Muslims will see it that way. But notice that it’s being reported not as “muslims” but as “al-Qaeda.” In the weeks when the Islamic forces were in the capital and the “government” was isolated in one small area, no one was calling the Islamic forces “al-Qaeda.” But now we’re attacking them, they’re all al Qaeda. MSNBC reportin is falling into this without question. I have no idea what the truth is.

There are sizable and increasing numbers of Wahabe sects (”al-Qaeda” sects) throughout Africa (in part because the West has basically shown no interest in the continent, except for the fanatical pentecostalists who are actively involved there as missionaries). The problem here (as in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestinian communities) is how you separate one (families and other members of a sect, united around belief and social support concerns) with those who are about to commit social violence. It maybe that in Somalia, they had specific individuals in their sights.

They used to fly these Hunter Killer teams with a LOACH flying low trying to draw fire and a couple of Cobra’s waiting to pounce.

Scarecrow @ 145

NorskeFlamethrower @ 136

1,399 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on…

P.S Scarecrow:

Didin’t there used ta be a Huey with those miniguns attached…I think the grunts called ‘em “Puff the Magic Dragon” ‘cuz the little bastards looked like a drangonfly with napalm breath.

KEEP THE FAITH…OH GOD ARE THEY DOIN’ THIS ALL OVER AGAIN??

Remember the name, but never saw one.

. with 200,000 candle power flares to light up the night and 3 mini-guns each able to spit out 6,000 rounds per minute (every 4th one a red tracer) is it any wonder that captured Viet Cong (VC) and North Vietnamese Army (NVA) documents referred to the “Dragon’s” reputation, containing orders specifically to “not attack the Dragon because it would only infuriate the monster.”

Fred F. Fielding replaces Harriet Miers

rwcole @ 130

Don’t know where Lieberman is coming from- maybe he actually believes his own shit…?

The problem is “his shit” makes no sense. If you try to parse his logic you can’t, there is no logic. It boils down to we can’t afford to lose – for some as yet undefined reason based on prognostications by people who have proved to be always wrong- so we have to take desperate measures because that is all there is left.

How can you really believe that which makes no sense? Unless, of course, you are either a total cynic, an idiot, have an unrevealed alternative agenda, or are batshit crazy. Take your pick, but remember these are not mutually exclusive.

rwcole @ 130

Don’t know where Lieberman is coming from- maybe he actually believes his own shit…

McCain, on the other hand, is out there tryin to roll a number the hard way… the odds are against him..Most possible Iraq outcomes between now and 2008 leave him totally fucked- wonder who’s planning his strategy?

Rove?

I think it was Tacitus who described the attempted Roman penetration of Germany. First, there were traders. Then, there were road builders (the famous autobanarii germanii), and finally the legions. I always thought Varus got something of a bum rap for the massacre of the Teutoburgian Forest. Isolated legions of Julius Caesar also got knocked off in Gaul.

prostratedragon @ 143

Scarecrow @
135

angie @ 111

This sure looks and smells like a war on Islam to me– wonder what the Muslims being bombed think???

Dubya’s Crusades.

I think Muslims will see it that way. But notice that it’s being reported not as “muslims” but as “al-Qaeda.” In the weeks when the Islamic forces were in the capital and the “government” was isolated in one small area, no one was calling the Islamic forces “al-Qaeda.” But now we’re attacking them, they’re all al Qaeda. MSNBC reporting is falling into this without question. I have no idea what the truth is.

I wonder whether that isn’t an effort to head off AUMF talk?

I think that is certainly a possibility, prostratedragon. Scarecrow– AQ is code for any brown and Muslim people who don’t like us very much and then we attack– then the admin can lick their bloody chops and say “they deserved it!”. (see also terrorists, evildoers, and dead-enders in dubya lecksikon) Soon the entire ME (including those non- Muslim minorities in the strike zone of our bombs) will be AQ. See what happened in Lebanon to the support rendered to Hizbollah after the egregious attack on that nascent democracy…

rwcole @ 130

McCain, on the other hand, is out there tryin to roll a number the hard way..

“Snake-Eyes” McCain

He might be rollin a different kind of number.

punaise @ 154

rwcole @ 130

McCain, on the other hand, is out there tryin to roll a number the hard way..

“Snake-Eyes” McCain

njr @ 151

Rove?

all roads lead to Rove.

punaise @ 146

I’d like to see Geraldo fight Obelix.

Curiously, Geraldo too was dropped on this head when he was young.

Don’t know if anyone asked this upthread, but can Connecticut voters recall Lieberman?

twolf1 @ 149

Fred F. Fielding replaces Harriet Miers

After working in both the Nixon and Reagan administrations, and being in the thick of two major scandals, what does that say about what the Bush White House is expecting?

Did you hear Keith’s guests assessment that Bushs surge is a trap to politically lure Dems into cutting funds?
That it is a cover to get out gracefully

I’ll be as surprised as I was when Geraldo opened that safe if Bush can walk away a winner.

It is pretty obvious that Senator Lieberman considers our armed forces to be simply mercenaries available to promote the NeoCon/Israeli agenda in the Middle East. He doesn’t give a fuck about the people who are coming home in the body bags.

Lisa @ 158

Don’t know if anyone asked this upthread, but can Connecticut voters recall Lieberman?

No.

snowbird42 @ 160

Did you hear Keith’s guests assessment that Bushs surge is a trap to politically lure Dems into cutting funds?
That it is a cover to get out gracefully

I think that is only a tiny part of it all. It is much deeper (and worse) than that!

This guy on Olbermann says that all Bush is doing is sending 20,000 more American soldiers into a civil war.

I think Bush is still fighting the “culture wars” of the sixties, and vicariously, Vietnam. You’re out of time George. The prez is a nut.

Well, I think my nephew will ship out in the next batch. I’m really worried.

lisadawn82 @ 5

—in other words this moment cries out for the kind of courageous leadership that does what can succeed and win in Iraq — not what will command the largest number of political supporters in Congress….we need to support the President as he goes forward, hopefully with exactly that kind of new initiative in Iraq.

Kinda makes you want to McVomit doesn’t it?

lol. seriously.

I’m so hypnotized by pop culture and ball games that I’m willing to believe any lie no matter how outrageous provided Bush Sr. acts folksy.

As fubar as Iraq is and will be, it’s easy to envision McCain becoming a patsy to provide contrast for another Rove/gooper candidate.

You can bet you sweet whatever, that “all roads lead to Rove”.

Hugh @ 152

I think it was Tacitus who described the attempted Roman penetration of Germany. First, there were traders. Then, there were road builders (the famous autobanarii germanii), and finally the legions. I always thought Varus got something of a bum rap for the massacre of the Teutoburgian Forest. Isolated legions of Julius Caesar also got knocked off in Gaul.

My understanding is that Varus got slaughtered because he, although warned, stupidly trusted Arminius, a Romanized German, who led him into a trap.

I think Arminius’ full name was Arminius Chalabius, otherwise known as Curveballus.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 170

You can bet you sweet whatever, that “all roads lead to Rove”.

Wag the Blogs

Believe me, no one can have more contempt for or feel more disgrace at having Joe Lieberman represent my state than I do. Our oldest son deployed to Baghdad last week. I don’t mean to downplay anyone else’s feelings about this but it is pretty personal for my family right now.

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

It is hard to know if Ned would have made a difference yet but at least we wouldn’t have to watch that nasty little putz pimping a war he hasn’t the courage to sign up to fight in himself.

McCain, former Vietnam POW.

He is insane.

Muzzy @ 169

As fubar as Iraq is and will be, it’s easy to envision McCain becoming a patsy to provide contrast for another Rove/gooper candidate.

Do you think Rove could be so devious? And doesn’t Bush truly, really, sincerely looove his BFF Saint John?

1,399 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Raven:

Yeah…the magnesium flares and white phosphorous grenades (sigh). We jest watched from our our perch on the water trailer behind our hootch. Could follow the action by followin the explosions, the flares and the tracers until we got the word that Dustoff was bringin’ some folks in…then we didn’t see anythin but the inside of a quonset hut for 10 or 12 hours ’til surgery was done.

KEEP THE FAITH, WE MUST STOP THIS MADNESS, GOD IS NOT GUNNA BE HAPPY!!

just two old political hacks ..looking for publicity…..

mandrake @ 174

McCain, former Vietnam POW.

He is insane.

How ironic. Remember when Bushco was saying the same thing when McCain was running against CF?

snowbird42 @ 160

Did you hear Keith’s guests assessment that Bushs surge is a trap to politically lure Dems into cutting funds?
That it is a cover to get out gracefully

So what is bush going to do, let the Democrats cut funding for the war and then act like a WATB and say, waaaaahhh, the mean Democrats made me lose my war, waaaaahhh, I was helpless to stop them?

SusanM @ 173

Believe me, no one can have more contempt for or feel more disgrace at having Joe Lieberman represent my state than I do. Our oldest son deployed to Baghdad last week. I don’t mean to downplay anyone else’s feelings about this but it is pretty personal for my family right now.

I worked my behind off for Lamont…

you deserve better. the country deserves better.

SusanM @ 173

Believe me, no one can have more contempt for or feel more disgrace at having Joe Lieberman represent my state than I do. Our oldest son deployed to Baghdad last week. I don’t mean to downplay anyone else’s feelings about this but it is pretty personal for my family right now.

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

It is hard to know if Ned would have made a difference yet but at least we wouldn’t have to watch that nasty little putz pimping a war he hasn’t the courage to sign up to fight in himself.

Ned made a difference. He woulld have made a bigger difference if Holy Joe had been disgraced and defeated, We have our incumbency protection racket to thank for that. I hope all the Dems who refused to condemn Joe or support Ned, feel really happy about it now. Still we don’t see a “D” after Joe’s name anymore.

Oklahoma kiddo @
170

You can bet you sweet whatever, that “all roads lead to Rove”.

OKK, those who’ve been wondering where he was are beginning to get their answer, no?

Last graph of Courant story on Joey2Face and L. Graham (R-SC) letter to Bush re: escalation, etc.
http://www.courant.com/news/na…..s-breaking

Bush is said to be considering adding about 20,000 troops to the 140,000 now in the country. Asked what number he had in mind, Lieberman laughed and said, “We’ll know it when we see it.”

Laughing. I hope CT voters ARE getting pissed.

ST John McCain is ruining my National Championship game experience!

If Lieberman was recalled would there be another election or would the governor appointed a replacement?

SusanM @ 173

Believe me, no one can have more contempt for or feel more disgrace at having Joe Lieberman represent my state than I do. Our oldest son deployed to Baghdad last week. I don’t mean to downplay anyone else’s feelings about this but it is pretty personal for my family right now.

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

It is hard to know if Ned would have made a difference yet but at least we wouldn’t have to watch that nasty little putz pimping a war he hasn’t the courage to sign up to fight in himself.

oh jeez Susan. I didn’t know that. Please keep us updated.

My contempt for Joe continues to reach new lows.

Thank you Susan. I worked for Ned, too…not as much as you and, certainly, not with the same personal energy you did. Would Ned have made a difference? Yup…we wouldn’t be having this thread if Holy Joe Lieberman weren’t still lying his a** off in Congress.

God Bless you and your son. Bring him home safe and sound!

Sha

SusanM @
173

Believe me, no one can have more contempt for or feel more disgrace at having Joe Lieberman represent my state than I do. Our oldest son deployed to Baghdad last week. I don’t mean to downplay anyone else’s feelings about this but it is pretty personal for my family right now.

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

It is hard to know if Ned would have made a difference yet but at least we wouldn’t have to watch that nasty little putz pimping a war he hasn’t the courage to sign up to fight in himself.

Ned is probably too graceful to do it, but it would be interesting to see him in the role of “shadow senator” reminding everyone about HoJo’s flip-flops and such.

When will “voters’ remorse” set in for CT independents and Republicans for electing this dleusional maniac?

I believe that Karl Rove is the Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, (Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda) of our day.

we have to start asking lieberman why he doesn’t want to give our campaign in afghanistan the best chance for success

I want someone to ask him why he wants to overule the advise of our military leaders, put more forces in Iraq which they tell us will do more harm then good, and not put more forces in afghanistan, whcih they tell us we sorely need

let him dance around that one

Bush Completely Out There:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..38131.html

But only $1 billion? That’s the only part I don’t get. Why not another $3 billion, go for broke? Is this really the time for the shrub to get humble, here?

Oh, and, Lindsey Graham, please go out and snort some meth and hire a male prostitute so we can fire your ass!

McCain (AZ-POS) and Lieberman (CT-POS) should be forced to lead the troops into battle.

punaise @ 188

Ned is probably too graceful to do it, but it would be interesting to see him in the role of “shadow senator” reminding everyone about HoJo’s flip-flops and such.

Well, he may be…but elsewhere (where the postings are more ‘bipartisan’) I’ve taken to pointing out Joey2Face’s neocon swill – like this and asking something like, “I wonder what Sen. Lamont’s postition would be?”

If nothing else, it makes me feel better. Plus, it confirms all the ranting I did pre-Nov. 7

Morris,
I know you are right and Ned did make a difference … I only meant I didn’t know whether he’d be able to stop the escalation in the immediate moment. You only had to shake his hand to know he was the real deal.
Susan

SusanD @ 193

McCain (AZ-POS) and Lieberman (CT-POS) should be forced to lead the troops into battle.

it’s a dung deal

Ned might not have been able to stop the escalation, but at least he wouldn’t be up front with his pom-poms cheering it on like that a$$wipe Liarman.

Chris owers at MyDD mines a Schumer quote for some interesting info.

Just read on DAilykos that there is no legislation in CT to remove a Senator from office. Damn.

Fox the uber shills had McCain doing the coin toss at the National Championship BCS game. You could tell that the boos from the huge crowd were edited out.

Article I, Section 5 of the US Constitution:

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

Senators can be expelled. They can not be recalled.

SusanM @
173

Believe me, no one can have more contempt for or feel more disgrace at having Joe Lieberman represent my state than I do. Our oldest son deployed to Baghdad last week. I don’t mean to downplay anyone else’s feelings about this but it is pretty personal for my family right now.

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

It is hard to know if Ned would have made a difference yet but at least we wouldn’t have to watch that nasty little putz pimping a war he hasn’t the courage to sign up to fight in himself.

Best wishes Susan for your son’s safe return. This must be really hard for you.

Blank Kludge @ 183

Last graph of Courant story on Joey2Face and L. Graham (R-SC) letter to Bush re: escalation, etc.
http://www.courant.com/news/na…..s-breaking

Bush is said to be considering adding about 20,000 troops to the 140,000 now in the country. Asked what number he had in mind, Lieberman laughed and said, “We’ll know it when we see it.”

Laughing. I hope CT voters ARE getting pissed.

How could they have trusted him in the first place?

Twisted Martini @
184

ST John McCain is ruining my National Championship game experience!

Yeah, Wolverine me was probably going to make do with radio, but now, perhaps I’ll just check Yahoo sports a few times. Shit.

I’m late to this thread and perhaps someone has already observed this, but these have to be the two stupidest men in the Senate, if not the entire Congress. And, yes, I do realize that Ted Stevens is still in the Senate.

Mary McCurnin @ 178

mandrake @ 174

McCain, former Vietnam POW.

He is insane.

How ironic. Remember when Bushco was saying the same thing when McCain was running against CF?

Very. Back then I thought he was a moderate, sane person. I couldn’t believe Bush was nominated over McCain. Good God, what happened?

mandrake @ 206

Mary McCurnin @ 178

mandrake @ 174

McCain, former Vietnam POW.

He is insane.

How ironic. Remember when Bushco was saying the same thing when McCain was running against CF?

I guess he learned his GOP lesson.

Very. Back then I thought he was a moderate, sane person. I couldn’t believe Bush was nominated over McCain. Good God, what happened?

Cujo359 @ 205

I’m late to this thread and perhaps someone has already observed this, but these have to be the two stupidest men in the Senate, if not the entire Congress. And, yes, I do realize that Ted Stevens is still in the Senate.

Not to mention Jim Bunning of Kentucky.

punaise @
188

Ned is probably too graceful to do it, but it would be interesting to see him in the role of “shadow senator” reminding everyone about HoJo’s flip-flops and such.

Hmmm. I bet you’re right about Lamont’s unwillingness to shadow HoJo in a focussed way, but maybe he could be persuaded to just blog somewhere a few times a month on issues before the Senate. Not calling anyone out, just going over issues …

Chauncey Gardner @ 200

Fox the uber shills had McCain doing the coin toss at the National Championship BCS game. You could tell that the boos from the huge crowd were edited out.

I think sportscasts generally try to edit out unpleasantness from the stands, at least toward celebrities. My guess, though is that this made the telecast a pretty quiet one while McCain was on the field.

mandrake @ 206

Very. Back then I thought he was a moderate, sane person. I couldn’t believe Bush was nominated over McCain. Good God, what happened?

September 11th.

Emergency time.

Look what it did to the goofball in the White House. It became an excuse for everything. I think the same with McCain.

Hugh @ 208

Cujo359 @ 205

I’m late to this thread and perhaps someone has already observed this, but these have to be the two stupidest men in the Senate, if not the entire Congress. And, yes, I do realize that Ted Stevens is still in the Senate.

Not to mention Jim Bunning of Kentucky.

Thus illustrating how stupid you have to be to be one of the stupidest in Congress.

Geraldo: Worst Person in the World!!

woops, he was #2 – SHOULDA BEEN #1

What an overpaid loser.

hannity – worse

geraldo – worser “I can remember when you were a big deal, back when I was a kid” – “He called me a midget which is funny because I am 7″ taller than he is” -KO

some stabbin’ texan – worst

twolf1 @ 215

hannity – worse

Speaking of Hannity, who was his “Enemy of the State” last night?

montag @ 216

twolf1 @ 215

hannity – worse

Speaking of Hannity, who was his “Enemy of the State” last night?

KO said it was Sean Penn

More – Stamford advocate:
http://www.stamfordadvocate.co…..-headlines

I was gonna quote a bunch but it’s just more a the same neocon shit. Says Syria has “blood on it’s hands”

Guess it takes one to know one.

Not too fond of Iran, either. But ya already knew that.

Cujo359 @ 205

I’m late to this thread and perhaps someone has already observed this, but these have to be the two stupidest men in the Senate, if not the entire Congress. And, yes, I do realize that Ted Stevens is still in the Senate.

Yeah, but Ted understands about all the toobz and stuff. He’s very well-versed on the Internets.

Is’nt it nice to laugh with KO? Ive been upset all day.

snowbird42 @ 220

Is’nt it nice to laugh with KO? Ive been upset all day.

Yes, I likes me some Keef.

twolf1 @
215

geraldo – worser “I can remember when you were a big deal, back when I was a kid” – “He called me a midget which is funny because I am 7″ taller than he is” -KO

I was wondering if Gerry thought he could get inside KO’s guard without suffering a kick or two to the head.

What’s with the girl with the box?

Maybe she has Bush’s new plans in there…

So who am I supposed to root for, Ohio State or Florida?

Thank you all for the good wishes and empathy … it’s a tough time. My husband growls everytime the John and Joe show comes on so now I don’t even try to get him to watch the news.

We both used to think McCain might actually be a decent dude … now we’re pretty sure he’s nothing but a whore and nuts besides. Leave it to Joe to pin his star to someone like that.

Twisted Martini @ 225

So who am I supposed to root for, Ohio State or Florida?

I dunno, but I was politically happy about the Seattle victory over Dallas!

“I put my box in a box for you”…..

Twisted Martini @ 225

So who am I supposed to root for, Ohio State or Florida?

they both screwed up elections ;)

snowbird42 @ 228

“I put my box in a box for you”…..

My box in a box

new thread

thanks

prostratedragon @ 222

I was wondering if Gerry thought he could get inside KO’s guard without suffering a kick or two to the head.

If Geraldo’s mouth were any bigger and he opened it wide, he could swallow himself….

Bless you Norske. By the way, my people were from Stevanger.

NorskeFlamethrower @
176

1,399 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Raven:

Yeah…the magnesium flares and white phosphorous grenades (sigh). We jest watched from our our perch on the water trailer behind our hootch. Could follow the action by followin the explosions, the flares and the tracers until we got the word that Dustoff was bringin’ some folks in…then we didn’t see anythin but the inside of a quonset hut for 10 or 12 hours ’til surgery was done.

KEEP THE FAITH, WE MUST STOP THIS MADNESS, GOD IS NOT GUNNA BE HAPPY!!

I thought I’d add my 2 cents worth in the classical vein: Alcibiades led Athens to go on a huge and very costly expedition against Syracuse in Sicily during the Peloponnesian War in 415 BC -the Athenians thought it would be a cakewalk but their forces were utterly destroyed which, in turn, led to the eventual victory of Sparta over Athens. BTW Alcibiades switched sides shortly thereafter to Sparta then after he go the Spartans irritated he went on to Persia. At any rate the Athenian Empire collapsed.

As for Lieberman and McCain, their venture is kind of a gamble but there are many upsides to it. It may not be politically possible to do the surge which would allow the War Party (bipartisan) to blame the American defeat on the Left. McCain/Lieberman can run can then run on the Flag-Waving platform. If their plan indeed is fully funded and staffed then the next step is even greater escalation probably as a result of some “incident” or dramatic defeat for which we blame the Iranians and then all hell breaks loose and militarists and martinets throughout the world will rejoice that the world is now theirs to toy with.

Richmond @
227

Twisted Martini @ 225

So who am I supposed to root for, Ohio State or Florida?

I dunno, but I was politically happy about the Seattle victory over Dallas!

Yeah, this game poses a lot of problems, eh? I’m going with the conference (Big[11]Ten), as I’m plenty tired of hearing about how we don’t know how to have a football league up here.

montag @
233

prostratedragon @ 222

I was wondering if Gerry thought he could get inside KO’s guard without suffering a kick or two to the head.

If Geraldo’s mouth were any bigger and he opened it wide, he could swallow himself….

Tee-Hee!

Here’s a little something on the U.S. recent mischief in the Horn of Africa, by a Kenyan journalist.

Jane—

Mighty late to the thread.

But the idea: it’s deep. Very deep.
Thank you for all your energy, your devotion to the cause of making things better.

We rather take you for granted but must be shaken up from time to time and realize you are a true genius in what you do. I compare you to MIT geniuses that I personally know. Your special gift is a great blessing to the world, recognized or not.

A toast to you, Jane.

mandrake @ 214

woops, he was #2 – SHOULDA BEEN #1

What an overpaid loser.

It was actually a clever insult by Keith to make Rivera “Worser” (No. 2 worst person in the world). He’s not WORTH No. 1.

SubwaySerenade @ 12

After we kick down every last door in Baghdad, then what? Let’s see if Congress has the cubes to put a stop to this madness.

Bingo! The cowboy will stop at have nothing less than a wildwest (mid-eastern) asventure. Ya Fuckin Hoo.

punaise @
6

Morris Sheppard @
4

You all say you despise Joe Liberman.

But none of you could possible despise him more than I.

So there!

my contempt for Joe Lieberman would be hard to top, but I bow to yours.

I don’t. On a scale of 1-10 in terms of Lieberman, my resentment is an 11. I would say that the 3 of us probably have the same level of hostility to him. I know it’s 6 years away, but let’s begin planning for another challenge to this bastard and let’s get it right this time!

egregious @
237

Jane—

Mighty late to the thread.

But the idea: it’s deep. Very deep.
Thank you for all your energy, your devotion to the cause of making things better.

We rather take you for granted but must be shaken up from time to time and realize you are a true genius in what you do. I compare you to MIT geniuses that I personally know. Your special gift is a great blessing to the world, recognized or not.

A toast to you, Jane.

Damn Skippy!

Jacqrat @ 241

egregious @
237

Jane—

Mighty late to the thread.

But the idea: it’s deep. Very deep.
Thank you for all your energy, your devotion to the cause of making things better.

We rather take you for granted but must be shaken up from time to time and realize you are a true genius in what you do. I compare you to MIT geniuses that I personally know. Your special gift is a great blessing to the world, recognized or not.

A toast to you, Jane.

Damn Skippy!

True, dat!

(Note: the above comment was edited in hopes that no “Skippys” got their feelings hurt, even though no harm was originally intended.)

For my dear friends, Johnny and Joey

Contaminated Minds
by UB40

Some people search for the holy grail
Run round in circles and chase their own tails
But you can’t really blame them for clutching at straws
For weeding some truth in our morals and laws

Some people say that revolution will descend
On this madness end this confusion
But we’ve all heard the privileged boast and preach
And the promised land we want is still out of reach

I once knew a man who wore self-righteousness
Like a medal on his inflated chest
He hated all people for breaking his rules
Looked down with distaste on the cowards and fools

He lived like a king in his castle of stone
And sneered at the man who worked hard for his home
He knew all the right words and who to defend
And would be with conviction the working mans friend

Chorus

Contaminated minds play judge and jury too
But contaminated minds are blind to truth
Contaminated minds speak with loudest voice
But not everybody has the luxury of choice

Shorter Lieberman: “It’s courageous to jump off a cliff even if all your friends don’t.”

I think the problem here has been in transliterating what “Sore” Lieberman’s been saying. It’s not bipartisanship.

It’s “buy partisanship.”

Oklahoma kiddo @
26

twolf1 @ 24

NBC: U.S. airstrikes target suspected Al-Qaeda operations in Somalia

Here we go folks.

Think of it as advanced PR for Bush’s Wed speech about how Iraq is still the front line of the GWOT…which of course involves Somalia…and Iran…and…

Jackie @ 44

Lieberman’s state should be proud when the soldiers start dying at a rate of 500 to 600 a month.

Ya know what, I sure wish people would stop blaming everyone in the state of Connecticut for Joe Lieberman. There were MANY, MANY people in Connecticut who worked their tails off to try to get rid of Lieberman.

Why don’t you share some anger with Barak Obama – who made a specific decision not to campaign for Ned Lamont? Or how about President Clinton (for whom I now have total contempt) who knowingly sat on his hands and allowed the Republicans to pump $20 million into Lieberman’s reelection campaign. In fact many of Clinton’s ex administration officials were huge supporters of Joe.

I lay this disaster directly at the feet of the Democratic leadership who gave Ned a wink & a nod and then did nothing to stop Joe.

Last but not least, how about the media who never called Joe on his bald faced lies during the campaign? Is anyone in the media pointing out the fact that Lieberman totally lied to the voters of Connecticut? Not only did he say no one wanted troops pulled out of Iraq more than he – he also denied ever saying members of Congress should support Bush no matter what he proposes in Iraq. And yet, here he is, doing exactly that. Once again.

So, please, there’s plenty of blame to spread around.

SusanM @ 173

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

Susan – I worked my tail off for Ned too. I bet our paths crossed. I should go change my registration to unaffiliated for the very reasons you listed. I, too, have been a registered Dem for many, many years and am furious at the Dem leadership. We all predicted this would happen if Lieberman was reelected.

I can’t imagine what you must be going through right now, with your son on his way to Baghdad. My prayers are with you and your family.

When I was young and not so silly and my husband was in Viet Nam, I had the same feeling that you have Jane as you wrote this post…I’m with Norskeflamethrower- time to hit the streets, mass demonstrations, march on Washington, stop paying taxes, boycott work, bring the government to a halt.

This Lieberschmuck from Stamford, CT, goes to Iraq on a tour and suddenly he’s the leading expert for war! He who never served his country in the military for 10 frickin minutes is just a little too willing to kill many more American troops. Lieberschmuck – whining the war. STFU, Joe.

Thomas C writes over at My Left Nutmeg Great piece of analysis showing Liarman for exactly what he is.

More War For Joe (4.00 / 3)
Rob Sawicki, Lieberman’s spokesperson, is quoted as follows in this morning’s Stamford Advocate: “Senator Lieberman has always supported a winning strategy in Iraq. During his most recent trip, he was told by commanders on the ground that more troops were necessary to achieve that goal.”
The transcript of the Senate Armed Service Committee meeting of Nov. 15, 2006 establishes that Lieberman had changed his position on troop increases long before his trip to Iraq. At that meeting, a mere eight days after the election, Lieberman rejected the assessment of Gen. Abizaid (the top “commander on the ground” in Iraq) that increased embedding could be achieved “from within the existing force structure inside Iraq” and instead urged Gen. Abizaid to seek authority to send additional troops to Iraq. The following exchange took place between Gen. Abizaid and Sen. Lieberman during Gen. Abizaid’s testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Nov. 15, 2006:

Lieberman: “General, I want to ask you, you’ve said that the military transition teams, the American embedded with the Iraqi security forces, are probably having a very significant, positive affect on those forces and that our forces embedded with the Iraqis should be — I believe you said in your initial testimony — significantly increased. How can we do that without increasing the overall number of American troops in Iraq? In other words, I fear that the only other way to do it is to pull our troops out of other danger areas, like Anbar Province, and then they’ll fall into more chaos.”

Abizaid: “I can’t say for sure that we can do it without having to increase our overall troop levels. But I believe that there is a way to make the transition teams more robust from within the existing force structure inside Iraq.”

Lieberman: “I hope that you will take a look at and not hesitate, most directly as the commander in chief, to give you authority to send more troops in if you really feel that the embedding — and I do feel strongly that the embedding is working best to enable the Iraqi security forces to take over. And it may be that a short-term increase in our forces there, embedded with them, will be the best way for us to more quickly get to a point where we can actually draw down our forces.”

This represented a complete repudiation by the Senator of his own “ten point plan” for Iraq, which argued that increased embedding would permit withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Lieberman’s own “ten point plan” for Iraq, which plan was still the operative statement of the Senator’s Iraq policy on election day, Nov. 7, 2006, stated:

“Sixth, we need to adapt to the new challenges of this new kind of war, by increasing the number of U.S. soldiers embedded in Iraqi units. This will allow more Americans to come home because embedded troops need less outside support. This should be done by redeploying existing troops, not adding new troops to the region.”

In a period of little more than one week following the election the very strategy that Sen. Lieberman had assured his constituents would allow for troop withrawals – embedding – had instead become the basis for Sen. Lieberman’s call for increased troop levels in Iraq. Within just eight days of the election Lieberman had gone from believing that increased embedding would permit a withdrawal of troops to worrying that increased embedding could only be achieved by sending more troops to Iraq. This complete reversal of Lieberman’s position on troop increases and the impact of an embedding strategy on force levels in Iraq flatly contradicts Sawicki’s claim that this change in Sen. Lieberman’s position resulted from meetings with “commanders on the ground” in Iraq that took place more than month after Sen. Lieberman urged Gen. Abizaid to increase troop levels.

As many of you know, Ollie North and Sen. Susan Collins met with many of the same “commanders on the ground” in Iraq that Lieberman met with, and they understood these commanders to oppose troop increases. Their reports of their trip to Iraq, together with Lieberman’s rejection of Abizaid’s assessment at the Senate Armed Services Committee meeting in November, suggests that Joe hears what he wants to hear. And he always hears calls for more war, more death and more blood.

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dab from CT @ 248

SusanM @ 173

I worked my behind off for Lamont – pretty much full time from the primary until election day. I re-registered “unaffiliated” after the election and sent my card back to the national party explaining that I couldn’t remain a member when they did not support the state’s primary choice for Dem candidate. I’d been a registered Democrat for more than 35 years.

Susan – I worked my tail off for Ned too. I bet our paths crossed. I should go change my registration to unaffiliated for the very reasons you listed. I, too, have been a registered Dem for many, many years and am furious at the Dem leadership. We all predicted this would happen if Lieberman was reelected.

I can’t imagine what you must be going through right now, with your son on his way to Baghdad. My prayers are with you and your family.

I am staying Dem, because I feel as legitimate a Dem as the conservative establishment types, if not more. It’s they who have to yield, not us.
Bar shindig. Guaranteed to be people-powered. Will you guys be there?

dab from CT @ 247

Jackie @ 44

Lieberman’s state should be proud when the soldiers start dying at a rate of 500 to 600 a month.

Ya know what, I sure wish people would stop blaming everyone in the state of Connecticut for Joe Lieberman. There were MANY, MANY people in Connecticut who worked their tails off to try to get rid of Lieberman.

Why don’t you share some anger with Barak Obama – who made a specific decision not to campaign for Ned Lamont? Or how about President Clinton (for whom I now have total contempt) who knowingly sat on his hands and allowed the Republicans to pump $20 million into Lieberman’s reelection campaign. In fact many of Clinton’s ex administration officials were huge supporters of Joe.

I lay this disaster directly at the feet of the Democratic leadership who gave Ned a wink & a nod and then did nothing to stop Joe.

Last but not least, how about the media who never called Joe on his bald faced lies during the campaign? Is anyone in the media pointing out the fact that Lieberman totally lied to the voters of Connecticut? Not only did he say no one wanted troops pulled out of Iraq more than he – he also denied ever saying members of Congress should support Bush no matter what he proposes in Iraq. And yet, here he is, doing exactly that. Once again.

So, please, there’s plenty of blame to spread around.

Agreed. As far as I am concerned we CT Lamont supporters did a darn good job and should be proud of ourselves and proud of Ned.

History is studied for a reason. Lieberman’s comment that “this moment cries out for the kind of courageous leadership that does what can succeed and win in Iraq — not what will command the largest number of political supporters in Congress” reminded me of a statement made by Carl Duisen in 1925 the future Director of the Nazi Chemical Industry combine IG Farben to business leaders that “If Germany is again to be great, all classes of our people must come to the realization that leaders are necessary who can act without concern for the caprices of the masses.”

For the authoritarian mind, “the leaders” are always the answer.

Is there a significance to the fact that Sen. McCain is drinking a glass of water while Sen. Lieberman is talking? Don’t tell me I’m the only one who sees this classic ventriloquist schtick?