
While the White House continues to make daily announcements to remind us that the President is talking to advisers about an Iraq plan, working on an Iraq plan, deciding the details of an Iraq plan, about to announce an Iraq plan and . . . wait for it . . . actually scheduling a speech about the Iraq plan (jeeze, do these guys crave attention!), we should ask, what's happening in that other war? You know, the one we began to go after the murderers who attacked us on 9/11? The short answer is, the White House is not "thinking" about Afghanistan but is instead hoping no one will notice that all the attention focused on surging more troops into Iraq means that the "good war" most Americans actually support will continue to worsen.
David Wood of the Baltimore Sun (by way of Boston Globe) summarizes what we're not supposed to be watching: Commanders seek more forces in Afghanistan. Not only are the US and NATO forces already stretched for enough troops to deal with a resurgent Taliban, but some of the US troops already there are scheduled to be part of the "surge" into Iraq.
KABUL, Afghanistan — Taliban forces, shattered and ejected from Afghanistan by the US military five years ago, are poised for a major offensive against US troops and undermanned NATO forces. This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions.
NATO's 30,000 troops in Afghanistan are supposed to have taken responsibility for security operations. But Taliban attacks have risen sharply, and senior US officers here describe the NATO operation as weak, hobbled by a shortage of manpower and equipment, and by restrictions put on the troops by their capitals….
President Bush is expected to announce this week the dispatch of thousands of additional troops to Iraq as a stopgap measure. Such an order, Pentagon officials say, would strain the Army and Marine Corps as they man both wars.
A US Army battalion fighting in a critical area of eastern Afghanistan is due to be withdrawn within weeks to deploy to Iraq.
Army Brigadier General Anthony J. Tata and other US commanders say that will happen as the Taliban is expected to unleash a campaign to cut the vital road between Kabul and Kandahar.
The official said the Taliban intend to seize Kandahar, Afghanistan's second-largest city, where the group was organized in the 1990s. With NATO unable or unwilling to stem the rising violence, the Taliban are pressing their advantage.
Rather than withdrawing to regroup over the winter, intelligence officials and combat commanders said, the Taliban forces — clad in new cold-weather boots and fleece jackets — are fighting through the bitter cold months.
"It is bleak," said Colonel Chris Haas, commander of the Joint Special Operations Task Force in Afghanistan.
Conway said US commanders understand that the Afghan war is an "economy of force" operation, a military term for a mission that is given minimal resources because it is a secondary priority, in this case behind Iraq. [emphasis mine]
To sum up, we're about to have three surges simultaneously (nice parallel with King Abdullah's three civil wars scenario, which is also on track, but that's another story). We will surge US troops into Iraq; to allow that, we will surge US troops out of Afghanistan; to take advantage of that, the Taliban will surge all over Afghanistan. Symmetry.
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zedness!
TWO!!!
Time for Amendment XXV or, barring that, Seven Days in January. The Oval Office Occupant must be stopped. Legal, peaceful mechanisms exist. They must be employed. And soon.
You ask, where are the grownups? The neo-con “grownups” are busy paving the way for the imminent US-Isreal led Iran invasion which, in addition to other things, will help draw the nation’s attention away from the mess Bush has made in Afghanistan (under U.S. committment) and Iraq (wrongly invaded, scandelously run).
Surgistan
zurge?
The Zed Runner
Sorry off-topic
Shhhh! Don’t tell anyone but Shrub’s practice speech was taped and leaked to the “internets”
Can’t stay around and play, because I’m on my way to Debra Bowen’s inauguration
punaise @ 5
Yep.
Afternoon folks. I have to dash home; back in a few.
Thank you Scarecrow– now back to read!
OT Fred Fielding named WH counsel (cnn)
hi punaise. ready for the big “deep freeze” coming our way?
[err - sorry folks - our freeze is 20’s-30’s. Above zero. but hey - we’ve got the earthquakes, too.]
Gross incompetence.
If the Taliban cuts the main road we are fucked.
Mindboggling, the ignorance of this Taliban resurgence.
Willfully ignorant, I should say.
They knew last year this was coming.
When was it that Musharroff had the agreement with the Taliban?July? August?
What a shitstorm, coming to the doors at 1600.
We need to find ways to confront the Dem leadership to come out now, publicly, decisively and courageously against any sort of pre-emptive strike or strikes on Iran. NOT ONE Dem leader has had the courage to say a single public word about this. Not one! How long will we let them get away with this cowardly conduct?
How many “mulligans” is one President allowed? Were this level of ineptitude to be a Democrats’, we’d never hear the end of the impeachment and resignation talk from TradMed. The buy-in inside the Beltway is truly extraordinary — what about their hero Powell, whose opposition to the SURGE because it’ll break our forces has sunk without a trace?
Bush/CheneyCo must go — they’ve done nothing right and odds are they won’t start now. And if this is what they meant to have happen, as some will argue, that’s grounds as well!
Utter incompetence, utter disregard, or utter venality: take your pick, any one or two will do.
National Democrats, a weary nation turns our lonely eyes to you. Act! Now! Talk to your GOP colleagues — you know they are just as frightened by the possibilities. This cabal must be brought down. Save the Republic. Please.
kirk murphy @ 11
minus 25 degrees F here this morning. It’s up to a whopping minus 19 now.
kirk murphy @ 11
woah, Nelly! Hadn’t seen that.
PS – re weather related phenomena, check this link from the previous thread (you may have seen the article in yesterday’s Chronicle)
Ed*ard Teller @ 15
lower 48 fair-weather fellow has to ask: does it really make a difference once it’s that cold?
More criminal behavior from this Administration. I feel a major howling scream coming on and so few are listening or even care (except here and a few other venues in America!). Thank you again Scarecrow– this certainly deserves to be highlighted. This is unconscionable.
You know, ET — all weekend we were waiting to hear even a snippet about the Times article about a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Silence from the dems who finally showed up on the circuit. I am OUTRAGED! I thought things were going to be different… I’ve been very wrong so far. This tiptoeing around is making me nauseous.
Losing Afghanistan — foregone, in my mind, but still — will resonate with the American people, won’t it? Don’t they remember the Taliban? Don’t Americans remember Laura Bush’s talk about how our victory allowed women to attend school and have jobs and serve in their legislature? Don’t Americans remember OBL, terror mastermind? Don’t Americans remember 9/11?
Or is Saddam’s hanging supposed to trump all that remembering by Americans? “We got
thea bad guy. Yay us!”punaise @ 16
That was an interesting article – left a reply downstairs.
the fundamental “crime” is that Bush diverted reseources and troops from Afghanistan to go stage his pre-destined pet folly in Iraq.
The urge. The urge.
The urge to, er, surge.
Surgitate! Surgitate!
Occupy another state!!!!
More on the other unfolding disaster…
http://www.canada.com/montreal…..mp;k=41860
Afghanistan Sliding into Chaos
Barney Rubin says Washington and other coalition capitals must recognize that Pakistan’s military regime is actively supporting the Taliban leadership, and allowing it to foment the insurgency.
“The “key to overall victory,” he says, lies not in stopping Taliban forces from infiltrating Afghanistan, but in pressuring Pakistan to actually break apart the Taliban’s command structure inside its territory.”
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/vie…..155549.htm
“Nato diplomats are alarmed that British policy in Afghanistan is seriously damaging Western efforts against the Taliban, according to a UK newspaper on Saturday.
…snip…
Europe’s alarm was said to also relate to Britain’s close relations with Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf at a time when NATO is trying to put pressure on the country to end sanctuary provided to Taliban by elements within Pakistan’s intelligence services.”
P J Evans @ 20
well, your plants may be the only ones to survive the Big Thirst…
punaise @
17
My dog says “AArf,” which means “Fuck, Yea!” in English.
At minus 25, most cars won’t start every time. At minus 35, most cars won’t start any time without having been plugged in. At minus 45, if you can start your car, the bumps from where your tires touched the ground when parked stay in the tire as it spins, causing a weird ride. At minus 55, airplanes, especially turboprops, stop functioning reliably.
There are other ways you can tell even minute changes in very cold temperatures. Some Alaska Natives can tell the temperature in the cold to within a degree or two by the sound of their feet in the snow.
Where are the grownups?
I believe that a lot of ‘em represented on the last thread – or on Howie’s threads in general.
Ed*ard Teller @ 15
brrr….
I am not worthy ;)…
thanks for the chill drill, ET
I never thought the Russians belonged in Afghanistan. And I don’t the the United Sates does either. Will American governments (and the American people) ever learn we cannot swagger about the world ramming our “values” down other folks’ throats, and stealing their resources?
There are legitimate reasons why so many on this planet dislike us so.
TeddySanFran @ 3
I agree. If there’s one conclusion we can take away from all this it’s that this isn’t going to change until there’s a change at the top.
In case you were wondering about the US Iraq Embassy:
http://www.commondreams.org/he…..108-07.htm
We so lost Afghanistan. The Afghan Heroin is already hitting the U.S. streets.
Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and The Taliban roam free in the border regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan. It seems Bush just doesn’t give a shit about actually shutting down the organization and catching the man that perpetrated 9/11.
I don’t understand why the American People are not extremely pissed off to the point of marching on the White House.
Chris Matthews just used the word “escalate”. Not ‘Surge’ – he said “Escalate”.
The Olbermann Effect.
angie @ 18
There was some peripheral stuff. Arnaud de Borchgrave wrote about fallout from the UK Times article, and Arianna Huffington wrote about Wes Clark’s outrage at finding out about the Times article by reading de Borchgrave’s column here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..37837.html
Other than that, no mention of this stuff or of the continuing stream of articles in the Israeli press pushing either for a unilateral pre-emptive attack by the IDF or for US pre-emptive action. There are, of course, many Israelis horrified by the prospect of any sort of attack on Iran.
Ed*ard Teller @
25
Yeah…but it’s a dry cold.
Barney Rubin talks and this government ignores him.
They do this in our name and to our shame.
But being BFF with Musharref is more important than dealing with the root of the “problems”. I swear, sometimes I really think that this admin is just setting us up for endless war. NONE of this makes any sense and shows a profound lack of knowledge, history, and geography, and I believe it is going just as they planned. (They certainly know the value of the stuff under the ground, beneath the carnage, though!)
The hypocrisy is staggering and the injustice is breathtaking.
Agreed OK Kiddo at 29.
kirk murphy @ 27
“I said Brrrr! It’s cold in here…!
Oh guys, what’s a little surge here, un-surge there (umm, is that called retreat?). And my outrage is also with the dems not speaking out. Do they really not hear what is going on out here in the hinterlands (their districts)?
Too busy polishing up their name plates and going to big party fundraisers.
Up to now Bush has been hiding his bullying tactics — but now his ignoring everyone and gining up for an attack on Iran is proof positive he is nothing but a bully. As if we did not know that already.
Ed*ard Teller @ 25
That is just incomprehensible to a southern girl.
Get ready to laugh, but how do you keep your nostrils/eyes from freezing?
jayt @ 33
Tweety! I t’ot I t’aw a ekalashun!
1,399 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
We are at crunch-time for Americans to stand up for the US kids and the Iraqi innocents dyin’ for the American oligarchy. It is crystal clear to this old baby boomer that the Bush corporate fascists don’t want victory in Iraq OR Afghanistan. Molly Ivins has it right “…it’s time for us Americans to step up” and lead our elected officials to do the right thing. The Democratic leadership must be forced to oppose the escalation proposal to be unveiled tonight and to at least stall the implementation of any troop increase until we can get enough citizen soldiers in the streets to put some spine in the Congressional backs.
Why isn’t the Democratic leadership, including Feingold and Obama, alerting the public to the fact that Bush is planning a terminal game of chicken with our constitutional government? The end-game for Bush is to say “I dare ya to try and pull the funding for the war or the escalation and further more, I double-dog-dare ya ta subpoena any of my administration before ANY committee for ANY purpose.” If the 5 fascist kangaroos on the Supreme Court don’t support the administration in challenges to it’s executive authority, Bush is ready to defy the court and say “whadare ya gunna do about it, I’m the decider?!”
It’s time to use the netroots and the recently developed national progressive network to get a mass of folks into the streets…
KEEP THE FAITH, THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!
from yesterday’s Observer:
Starving Afghans sell girls of eight as brides
Villagers whose crops have failed after a second devastating drought are giving their young daughters in marriage to raise money for food
Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday January 7, 2007
The Observer
Azizgul is 10 years old, from the village of Houscha in western Afghanistan. This year the wheat crop failed again following a devastating drought. Her family was hungry. So, a little before Christmas, Azizgul’s mother ’sold’ her to be married to a 13-year-old boy.
‘I need to sell my daughters because of the drought,’ said her mother Sahatgul, 30. ‘We don’t have enough food and the bride price will enable us to buy food. Three months ago my 15-year-old daughter married.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk…..96,00.html
Jacqrat @ 37
It’s Gettin’ Hot in Here”
GrandmaJ says above:
“And my outrage is also with the dems not speaking out.”
Worth repeating. Again and again and again…
OT – CNN – Jack Cafferty’s 5:00 question – 5 p.m.: Should the House of Representatives have taken the day off so Rep. John Boehner could go to a football game?
punaise @
43
I know I am old, but wtf is up with the band-aid? Doesn’t he know about ProActiv?
Stop the carnage in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. Bring the troops home. Now.
mandrake @ 40
Olbermann’s gonna drag MSNBC, kicking and screaming, Matthews, Scarborough, (probably not Tucker), into the mainstream of American thought.
Knock ‘em down one at at a time, I guess.
Brian Williams – here we come!
Jacqrat @ 46
it’s not a Band-Aid, it’s a Bling-Aid
mandrake @ #39:
Get ready to laugh, but how do you keep your nostrils/eyes from freezing?
Appropriate head covering is recommended. But, for instance, my son was in a ski race Friday at 12 below. He and the others all came in at the end of the race with big ice crystals around eyes, nostrils, mouths.
I play bugle at veterans’ memorial services quite often. Year round. The coldest I’ve played “Taps” is at minus 20 F. Before playing in the cold, I put lots of vaseline on my lips and on the bugle mouthpiece. Otherwise, it gets frozen to your skin, causing severe frostbite at point of contact.
THERE IT IS SCARECROW!!!
we can ATTACK the presidents ability to protect this antion
we HAVE to make sure everyone KNOWS we NEED these assets in afghanistan, that’s what the military tell us, we do NOT need these assets in Iraq
the president is DELIBERATELY taking assets that are neccessary and putting them where they are not
this is IT
excellant scarecrow, I am loving your posts
Dru at 23 — thanks for the link. I fear that the US may make up for troops with more bombing — just after the NATO command expressed regrets about the excessive civilian casualties.
so that’s what we have to get to the progressives, that’s the message
the president is endangering this nation, he is taking assets he knows we need and placeing them where he knows they will do our nation and our armed forces harm
it’s as if he is deliberately setting us up for a devastating attacks
THAT’S what progressives have to make clear, they can suffer anyone who makes believe the republican party is the party of our national security or our armed forces
Ed*ard Teller @
42
Maybe not quite what we think, but still sad.
In old Babylonia poor parents sometimes sold their children into bondage, there was a special law allowing them to do it in the case of a seige or famine. It made the children wards of the richer family, who were then obligated to feed them. The contract expired when the seige, or other emergency ended. Works out to ‘my kid will work for food’.
Snow Claims Midterm Elections Showed Americans Aren’t Concerned About Iraq
SURGE
My guess is that Karl Rove is putting in a lot of over time these days and nights. On foreign policy.
HotFlash @ 56
that’s udderly ridiculous :~)
Tester on CNN/Blitzer
twolf1 @ 55
If they keep saying the elections (and public opinion) don’t matter, sooner or later it becomes true. Of course, if the Republicans had won, we’d be hearing “mandate” every other word from Snow job.
Scarecrow @ 60
Ask Haggard and Foley about their Man-dates.
Oklahoma kiddo @
29
I think of what I as an American would say to an Afghani or an Iraqi. What would I say to Azizgul’s parents, or to Riverbend. I would say, “I’m so sorry, it’s not me, I don’t agree at all, and I’m working to end these wars.”
And they perhaps they would be polite and not ask, but their question would hang in the air nonetheless.
And I would have no answer.
Josh Marshall:
If the Americans move troops out of Afghanistan into Iraq leaving the rest of the NATO forces in the lurch, this Canadian will be really, really angry. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, the Canadian forces in Afghanistan do not have the transport capabilities to get themselves the fuck out of there.
Course if that happened it would also bring down our own miserable excuse for a government, but still…
Wes Clark e-mailer on the “surge.”
OT – The Rude One weighs in on Malkkkin
Dru @
23
Has anyone explained why Pakistan wouldwant to do such a thing as “break apart the Taliban’s command structure inside its territory”?
Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed
By Russ Baker and Jonathan Z. Larsen | The Real News Project
January 8, 2007
NEW YORK–Newly released internal CIA documents assert that former president George Herbert Walker Bush’s oil company emerged from a 1950’s collaboration with a covert CIA officer.
Bush has long denied allegations that he had connections to the intelligence community prior to 1976, when he became Central Intelligence Agency director under President Gerald Ford. At the time, he described his appointment as a ‘real shocker.’
But the freshly uncovered memos contend that Bush maintained a close personal and business relationship for decades with a CIA staff employee who, according to those CIA documents, was instrumental in the establishment of Bush’s oil venture, Zapata, in the early 1950s, and who would later accompany Bush to Vietnam as a “cleared and witting commercial asset” of the agency
http://realnews.org/rn/content/zapata.html
Fern @ 64
One of the issues for NATO is that several countries providing troops have rules of engagement that prevent them for doing some of the more aggressive actions that the US would like from NATO forces. The US has been trying to convince these countries to loosen those restrictions. But if they see the US removing troops to send them to Iraq, it’s hard to see how other nations would agree to cover for the US policy in Iraq, which they never supported in the first place.
Along with Chimpy’s surge of troops, he is expected to announce a surge of financial aid for Iraq– which is funny because I didn’t realize that New Orleans had been rebuilt yet.
Says Malkin has discredited herself…Impossible!
By the way- who cares what she thinks?
And Canada is one of the few countries at the pointy end of the stick. Pisses us off. Can you tell?
j
Scarecrow @ 69
With seven months left to his failing prime ministership Tony Blair finally bucks George W. Bush.
Poodle bites Chimp.
-GSD
Fern, we’ll probably see an election called soon for a late spring election, but watching Harper is scary. And Dionne is still an unknown quantity. I’m in TO, where are you?
HotFlash @ 74
Winnipeg.
I have to say that I’ve been more impressed by Dionne than I expected to be. He may be electable – though I have to say I’m an NDP supporter from a way back.
GSD @ 73
Well, better late than posthumous.
Pleased to meet you :)
I have never liked less or respected less any foreign leader more than Tony Blair. I actually dislike, if that’s possible, Blair more than Bush.
Scarecrow @
69
As I understand it, Canadian forces (2,500 troops) are involved in full combat operations around Kandahar.
I just sent an urgent email to my MP, Peggy Nash, suggesting that Canadian forces should be withdrawn now before they get cut off. However the NDP, while very prorgressive, is a small minority.
It’s way past time to get rid of Bush’s other lapdog, Stephen Harper.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Yes! With Blair one always gets the impression that he should be smart enought to know better.
Blair knows better, but he went with the power of America and George W. Bush on the misguided notion that might always wins.
Saddam Hussein is testament to the limitations of that doctrine.
-GSD
HotFlash @ 77
Likewise – looks like Canada Night at the Lake!
Speaking of posthumous (which I was at 76), this guy thumbs his nose at Blair from the grave.
HotFlash @ 83
so how old are you now? :~)
OK kiddo @ 68:
‘Modest returns?’ ZapOffshore was a drilling company, AFAIK, not a production company: they did their drilling under contracts from the big guys like Shell, and lost some of their rigs to hurricanes. The company went downhill fast after Bush sold out to the beancounters. (I was told the new management required justification for even the routine maintenance!)
punaise @ 84
says on the sign 84.. er 86. Time flies!
Lieberman on PBS news saying . . .
“The one policy we have not pursued is sending enough troops.”
Joe before Nov 7: “No one wants our troops home more than I do.” — but that was just so pre-election.
so — somebody please correct me if I’m wrong.
bush is gonna send 20,000 more troops to Iraq. We’ve got around 140,000 there now – and quite possibly a 1:1 ratio of merc’s. – so – let’s say we’ve got, conservatively, 200,000 troops there now. We’re gonna increase this number by 10% or less – and this is going to make a difference just how, exactly? (other than to kill some time until Bush leaves office).
I’m serious – is there any rational argument to be made that this makes a difference somehow?
Scarecrow @ 87
what a jerk. my contempt for….
HotFlash @ 86
anyway, welcome back from the beyond…
PBS: Jack Reed, Sen Cornyn, Lieberman, Heather Wilson. Is this what Margaret Warner thinks is balance? One real Democrat, one phony Democrat, two Republicans. Sheesh.
Scarecrow @ 87
Keep them in Iraq permanently, then they *are* home. See? Simple!
oooohhh – just saw Kagan on the teevee – isn’t there one guy, somewhere, that doesn’t look so pasty white, flabby, and never-been-in-a-fight-in-his life than these buffoons which comprise the neo-con wing of the R party?
jayt @ 88
None.
When the Taliban retakes Afghanistan, I wonder what the political effect will be on Pakistan. Right now our BFF is Musharraf; I can remember when our BFF was Pahalavi. I think we are a few bullets away from confronting a radical Islamic state with multiple nukes and delivery systems. Of course Bush has allowed the nuclear program in Pakistan to expand and hid the fact from Congress.
Psychopath.
Scarecrow @ 87
jayt @ 88
And even if this was going to be effective, which I can’t imagine it would be, they have to come up with these warm bodies IN ADDITION TO what they need to cover for attrition – i.e. dead/disabled/wounded soldiers.
Anyone know how many they have lost total including to physical injury and PTSD?
I miss Ned Lamont.
Lieberman talking about his Iraq trip. He has a confidence that Iraq people don’t want sectarian violence, but the moderates are coming together to strengthen the government. And we can claim victory in Anbar province.
The alternative, he says, is to give up and the terrorists willl chase us back to the US.
. . .
The man is from another planet.
And let’s not forget fern, if they were injured and flown to Germany, let’s say, and died in a German hospital, they are not listed as dead wrt the war.
Fern @ 96
Best source I know: http://www.icasualties.org/
I want a list of all the times the war supporters are saying “this is the last chance.”
ccmask @ 99
http://www.icasualties.org has them too, also Iraqi casualties, wounded, a bunch of stuff.
Lieberman — Fears a failed state. He sees in the ME “a new dividing line between extremists and moderates.” If we pull out, the moderates will hedge their bets and support the extremists.
Every time Lieberman goes to the Middle East. I worry more.
“He has a confidence that Iraq people don’t want sectarian violence, but the moderates are coming together to strengthen the government. And we can claim victory in Anbar province.”
And I’m sure Lieberman is confident the Palestinians don’t want self-rule, taxation with representation and a homeland either.
Lieberman. That’s our “independent Democrat”. You go Joe!
ccmask @ 97
I kinda miss HopeSpringsaTurtle – whose husband is one of those saving lives on an unprecedented scale. The same injuries being suffered in Iraq would have been fatal in Vietnam.
These men and women are just so good – it’s (fuck I can’t come up with the right word).
It’s a horrible irony that the wonderful service of the men and women in the medical field is holding down the death toll so that it’s not more shocking to the populace of this country.
Well the good news is that the new CENTCOM commander is an admiral which should help us a lot in Afghanistan with its many seaports.
Most of what the media has been reporting in Afghanistan has been either false or misleading from the beginning. You might look into former NPR’s correspondent Sarah Chayes (see her appearance on Amy Goodmnan’s show http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..10/1355235). Our notion that we are fighting an “enemy” there is, in my view, false. We are fighting for warlords against other warlords though it is actually deeper than that. The “deeper” aspect of the situation can begin to be answered by understanding that the Pakistanis support the Taliban with the approval of the U.S. Yes, we are approving of having our own troops shot up. If you look realistically at the whole Afghan campaign you will see many odd and curious facts –but “facts” in the duplicitous world of the “Great Game” are multi-dimensional and never quite what they appear to be.
If you aren’t depressed today and don’t want to be, don’t read this.
Zimbabwe is dying by degrees.
-GSD
I hope Olbermann has something to say about all this tonight.
Part of Bush’s surge plan is a naval invasion of Afghanistan to turn the tide of that war.
-GSD
jayt @
93
Are you saying that Richard Perle doesn’t look like the archetypical warrior he-man?
-GSD
is this one of bill frist’s friends?
Also, notice we have airmen who are dying in Iraq doing duties they most likely haven’t been trained to do.
Bush wants sacrifice, he’s getting it.
-GSD
I want to send you some money. I do not want to use paypal.
HOW do I do it?
thanks
The Taliban were created and nutured by Pakistan’s secret service the ISI. They were forced to abandon them after 911, but with Bush’s quick bailout of Afghanistan for Iraq, that support has been renewed. The Pakistanis still go after al Qaeda figures from time to time to satisfy us (and because al Qaeda has been behind some of the assassination attempts on Musharraf) but they have left Taliban leaders operating inside Pakistan pretty much alone. They decided at least a couple of years ago that the Taliban were a much likelier bet than Karzai and have acted accordingly.
Scarecrow @ 103
Against whom?
Hugh @ 114
Hugh — I think it’s interesting that we haven’t heard of any recent US air attacks on Pakistani villages across the border (unless I missed something). Don’t know whether that’s coincidence or acquiescence by US with Pakistan accommodations along the border.
HotFlash @ 115
Joe doesn’t take follow up questions.
icasualties.org is very informative and probably accurate within reasonable limits. As an example, I had assumed that Hispanics were over represented as KIA’s and the “Whites” were under-represented as a percentage of the population. Their stats seem to indicate that my impression is not correct.
twolf1 @
111
Betcha that freezer didn’t smell like fishsticks.
Whoof.
-GSD
OT – from an earlier thread: “Short of removal from office, how do you force a willful and deceitful President to stop making war and endangering thousands of people?”
For one thing, Congress could investigate and in short order render a finding that the bushliar-criminal regime had misused and abused Congress’ authorization to use force, and had conducted the use of force ineptly thereby endangering American troops, dangerously denigrating the readiness of the US military to actually defend American, had grossly wasted taxpayer’s money, and had dissipated America’s standing in the global community. In light of such a finding, Congress could REVOKE its authorization of use force giving the president 6 months to redeploy all American forces out of Iraq.
.
Scarecrow @ 116
It could be general lack of attention or resignation in the face of Pakistani duplicity.
1,399 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
Time is up…Caligula Bush is callin’ the bluff of our 200 year old constitutional democracy. The only thing that will stop the oligarchy from throwin 10’s of thousands more American soldiers at millions of Iraqis in order to secure the oilfields for the Bush family is millions in the streets before the end of the week.
Let’s stop tuggin’ on our forelocks and scratchin’ our armpits and moanin’ about process…the only way we stop this war is takin’ to the streets and forcin’ the Congress ta do it’s job and throw the bums outta the White House.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, IF WE WON’T FIGHT FOR IT THEN WE DON’T DESERVE IT!!
GSD @ 108
And did you see the item a couple of days ago that Mugabe is about to bring back whites to make a go of the country – this after bankrupting the state. I can’t help but think the Bushies have their fingers in Zimbabwe’s finances as well.
Even if we pulled all our troops from Iraq tonight and there ensued immediate tranquility, there will still be no peace in the Middle East without a fair resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
1,399 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON..
P.S. We take the streets and Congress recinds the Iraq War Resolution.
KEEP THE FAITH AND STOP TALKIN’!!
Ed*ard Teller @
13
My thoughts exactly. Thanks for this comment. The runup to Iran is happening just like Iraq’s did. A military strike right now is NOT the answer but 43 will sneak one in and ‘let history decide if it’s legal’…part of that ‘creating a new reality for us to debate’ sort of thing.
punaise @ 17
I’m glad you asked that. I’ve been trying for several years to drum up support for revised FCC standards for broadcast meteorologists. The rule I wish to have enforced is this: if, at any time, either the base temperature or the effective temperature with wind chill dips below 15 degrees Fahrenheit, weatherpersons will be fined for telling us the actual numbers. Instead, they are to simply describe the conditions as “fucking cold.”
Chris Cosmos @ 107
There’s a lot of truth in your post… Sarah Chayes is somebody whose words and experiences I have a lot of respect for, indeed.
Hugh @ 114– very succinctly summarized, thank you.
Iran is the name of the game now.
Compare Mugabe and Mandela. Mandela put the country first and himself second and showed real leadership. In Zimbabwe, l’etat, c’est Mugabe. He epitomizes many fathers of their countries. They stay and stay and stay. They morph from being popular heroes to being drags on their countries to finally being positively plagues.
new fiber upstairs.
Marvel: I think someone is going to post that info soon. I think they are waiting on Christy to get back. I think that’s what I heard anyway…
Jane has a new thread upstairs.
OT.. Crew has posted a photo of dear leader and Abramoff
http://blog.citizensforethics.org/node/478
How can Lou Dobbs ask a brown person for an informed opinion about the war at the same time that he wants all brown people to be excluded from His United States?
Occasionally, Uncle Lou makes a good point – but then – upon occasion, all drunk uncles do.
HotFlash @
100
The only doubts I have about that site’s accuracy is that it’s figures are based on Pentagon numbers released.
Think of the accuracy achieved by Enron and others when hiding losses from audits. BushCo admin is a CEO (crooked f’ckin’ CEO) modeled administration.
marvel norton @ 113
Click on the MC/Visa donate link, and it takes you to a screen that lets you either donate via credit card or through Paypal.
Scarecrow @ 98
Men are from Mars, women are from Venus…and you get no points for telling us which planet Holy Joe is from.
Hey Firedog I posted this at 12:30 your time. Are you borrowing my talking points baby?
http://ralphlopezworld.com
Re-Draft the Iraq War Authorization! Stop the “Surge!”
please circulate
Ok this is getting crazy. For Joe Biden to say that because Bush is commander-in-chief he can make war without end is patently ridiculous. There is no way the Founders, who explicitly gave war-making powers to Congress, envisioned an Executive whose war-making no one could stop. RE-DRAFT THE IRAQ WAR AUTHORIZATION! We shouldn’t have to do Biden’s job for him; it can be written in a way which gives troops now present in Iraq all the supplies they need while putting a brake on authorized manpower. The commanders on the ground have spoken, and true to form Bush has replaced them with yes-men. I have updated the toll-free numbers to your congressman on my website. (800) 862-5530 or (800) 833-6354.
We must remind these idiots that the Constitution gives them all the tools they need to rein in this out-of-control president, including impeachment. At this rate of casualties, 2 more years in Iraq means a couple thousand more young guys dead, and Iraq not one iota more stable for it. Article I and Article II of the Constitution make the president the “commander-in-chief” of the Army and Navy,” but specifically empowers Congress to “make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.”
Show your congressman that you understand your Constitution better than they do. Pass this around.
http://ralphlopezworld.com
Ed*ard Teller @
13
I went perusing to see if I could find more like-minded people to add for a louder voice….found one!
I likes the way she thinks. I hope she doesn’t mind the link.
Who are the Israelis? Sorry but I’m an American; I only give a crap about Israel as long as it is in my country’s interest, and striking the ancient and noble culture of Iran which has never atacked us (but oh yes, we attacked IT) is not in my national interest. Read Stevie Kinzer’s classic “All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror.” I guess that makes me an anti-semite, right? Except I’m married to a Jewish woman….
[Mod note; edited to remove potentially inflammatory references]
Scarecrow,
THANKSFOR YOUR RECENT POSTS.ifeel your growing anger. I’m getting more than nauseous in my anger and disgust and contempt for all the Repubs and the Dems who are doing nothing. What if all the firepups (and thousands more, acted on “Do it yourself impeachment” together? I don’t think taking to the streets will have much affect. I remember a lady a couple of weeks ago saying that the blogs were the streets of today; I thought the vision was powerful, but I don’t think so anymore. . Storming congress might help, but just marching in the streets won’t have much effect – eg the immigration marches last year – we need to force congress to act on impeachment.
Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy. Lord have mercy.
Blessings to the righteous. Thanks forsounding thealarm, beingthe watchmanon the tower.