
(Gay giraffes say, "We're here. We're queer. We're used to it. What the hell is your problem?")
I've been meaning to hit this story for weeks. Tonight just seems like the right time.
From male killer whales that ride the dorsal fin of another male to female bonobos that rub their genitals together, the animal kingdom tolerates all kinds of lifestyles.
A first-ever museum display, "Against Nature?," which opened last month at the University of Oslo's Natural History Museum in Norway, presents 51 species of animals exhibiting homosexuality.
"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them," said Petter Bockman, project coordinator of the exhibition.
Of course, the museum exhibit is in Norway, where animals and humans alike have more reasonable views on these thing than we do here in the United States of Christianist Dumbfuckistan. Here, museums are so cowed by the Flat-Earth Talibangelicals that they don't even dare talk about evolution, let alone something as scientific and empirically verifiable as homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.
Yes, apparently no scientific fact is too established for the fundamentalist whack-jobs to censor and whitewash over if it flies too closely in the face of their political and religious agendas. So, don't expect "Against Nature?" to come through your city's municipal museum any time soon.
The argument that a homosexual way of living cannot be accepted because it is against the "laws of nature" can now be rejected scientifically, said Geir Soli, project leader for the exhibition. "A main target for this project was to get museums involved in current debate; to show that museums are more than just a gallery for the past."
Uh, yeah, I don't see that playing too well in Kansas, Dorothy.
Copulation could be used for alliance and protection among animals of the same sex. In situations when a species is mostly bisexual (What, like ours?-ed.), homosexual relationships allow an animal to join a pack.
That would certainly explain some of the behaviors I observed at a couple of fraternity parties my old band played in the 90's.
"In bonobos for instance, strict heterosexual individuals would not be able to make friends in the flock and thus never be able to breed," Bockman told LiveScience. "In some bird species that bond for life, homosexual pairs raise young. If they are females, a male may fertilize their eggs. If they are males, a solitary female may mate with them and deposit her eggs in their nest."
Mom and Dad and Dad
Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own."Homosexuality" and "heterosexuality" are terms defined by societal boundaries, invisible in the animal kingdom.
From R. J. Eskow at HuffPo:
But the information is out there, and in 2006 it became part of the popular scientific world. This is a devastating blow to the standard fundamentalist argument against homosexuality, which is that it isn't natural. Actually, it is – among people, animals, even preachers (And vice-presidential daughters!-TRex). There is a healthy debate among scientists as to what evolutionary purpose it may serve.
If you're a fundamentalist Christian, Muslim, or Jew, you now have to face the fact that homosexuality, since it occurs throughout nature, is also therefore God-given.
GASP!!
Stay with current schools of thought, Christians. Those schools say that Creation is a reflection of God's goodness and beauty. And Muslims, remember what the Q'uran has taught you:
Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe … and in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered (through the earth), are Signs for those of assured Faith … And He has subjected to you, as from Him, all that is in the heavens and on earth: Behold, in that are Signs indeed for those who reflect.
As I say, the fundamentalists are much too powerful to let this information get much publicity in the US.
That's the freakin' truth. When, oh, when are the grown-ups going to start fighting back against the Christian Right's attempt to stop all scientific thought in its tracks in this country? When is that famous wall between church and state we hear so much about going to kick back in? Doesn't anyone in this country besides Rosie O'Donnell make the connection between radical fundamentalist Christians and their jihadi counterparts in the Middle East? Both groups want exactly the same things, i.e., forced breeding and lives of subservience for women, government intervention in people's most private, personal decisions, and national policy based on their blinkered misinterpretations of their ancient "holy" documents.
Well, regardless of what happens in terms of national policy, I at least know that I'm on good terms with my Higher Power. When I was but a teen, struggling with my sexual identity, I remember bringing up the question of "sin" and my orientation to my mom. I remember her laughing and hugging me tight and saying, "You are just exactly how God made you, honey. I've known you were gay since you were three years old, maybe before. God sent you to this family just the way you are, and He wants you to be happy. You have just as much of a right to be here as a rock or a bird or a tree. So, don't worry about all that. That's just ignorant and superstitious people and the discomfort they feel with their own homosexual experiences and feelings. It's got nothing to do with you."
Oh. Hey, thanks, Mom!
And thank you, God. You must think we're pretty embarrassingly stupid, huh? You've had this whole gay thing worked out for thousands, if not millions of years and here we are still scrapping about it when all you asked us to do was love each other and live right. We've got a lot of evolving, er, "intelligent designing" to do, still, don't we?
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FITZ!
Back on form, I see, twolf!
Animals!
IS NOT!
‘Cause there ain’t no sech thing as ‘God’ anyhow. Read yer Richard Dawkins!
Whoops….
Gotta go! The God Police are here from dKos and Mahablog.
They don’t like me much.
Whiners.
TRex–are there gay animals on exhibit there?
I mean, did they round up some gay animals and put them in cages and all?
That’s sorta creepy, innit?
When it exists this consistently across all populations, it’s not a bug; it’s a feature.
We’re just too stupid or incurious to figure out why nature insists upon this design feature.
This has “animated movie” written all over it. Give Medved something real to whine about.
I haven’t even read the post yet – but I love the title.
I’m straight, btw. This oughta be fun…
Write yer damm book, T-Rex. Swear on a stack, you’re the best writer out there. Just do it.
I kinda feel like Patrick-Rex. Proud of his brother – just different.
I’m sure that God is as happy being gay as any other way she could be.
My response to the homophobes I come in contact with is usually “Do you plan on showering with them?”
When they get embarrassed and say no, I respond “So why the fuck do you care?”
And of course, as we know, TRex, God also made gay dinosaurs…
intelligent designing…
hmmm
Definately not talking about my kitchen.
TRex,
So glad you didn’t let that one slip by.
Inhibitions and prejudice serve no intelligent purpose. damn baggage.
Big Gay Al’s Big Gay Animal Sanctuary
EPU’d:
Blub @ 86
“I missed this when it first came out on the 7th.. am I misreading this official NYT board editorial calling for rigorous committee hearings, or is the newspaper outright accusing the president of criminal misconduct?
The Imperial Presidency 2.0
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/opinio n/07sun1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin”
That is the way I read it, Blub.
Thanks for the link. It is a great editorial.
I think this issue should be at the top of Congress’s agenda, second only to Iraq. I mean by “this issue” the full scope of Bush’s war against the Constitution–signing statements, rendition, torture, illegal NSA domestic spying, opening our mail…all of it.
At the same time, Congress should clean up its own excesses (or rather those of the previous Congress)by reconsidering some of the more extreme measures of the Patriot Act, the military commissions bill, and so on.
The Kenosha Kid @
7
I can see this, with Nathan Lane and David Hyde Pierce doing the voiceovers for the two swans.
hehe.. remember in November when the Christian Coalition forced out their newly appointed head when he dared suggest that hatred of gays and women might be supplemented by something as outrageous and un-christian as.. concern for the poor? ’tis why I don’t think these people are Christian.
Aw, jayt. That’s the sweetest thing anyone has said to me in ages.
Nah, never work. They’re both bottoms. Now, Hugh Jackman and David Hyde Pierce, that’s a movie I would go and see.
OT, but in his photo our new Military Man in Iraq looks kinda gay…
Found this quite interesting via Wiki:
“In 1991, Petraeus, then a batallion commander, was accidentally shot in the chest with an M-16 during a live-fire exercise at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, when a soldier tripped and the rifle discharged. He was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville, Tennessee, where he was operated on by future Senator Bill Frist [2]”
Maybe Patraeus feels he owes the cabal, since one of their own might have saved his life. OK, so I’m grapsing at straws….so sue me. It’s just weird how this tiny group of people, that all go way back with each other, keep ending up in these leadership positions.
Hoo boy. Heads are going to start poppin’ firecrackers all over Fundieland! This will be lots of fun!
When I was a kid, I had two male cats I know were gay (well, let’s say bi…they would run after a gal in heat just as fast as they’d lick each other’s balls).
Doesn’t anyone in this country besides Rosie O’Donnell make the connection between radical fundamentalist Christians and their jihadi counterparts in the Middle East?
You mean, “anyone besides Rosie O’Donnell and non-believers”, don’t you? We certainly understand the connection.
Anyhow, it’s clear from looking at the rest of the animal kingdom that there is no one way to accomplish sexual reproduction. What a deity might think of that issue is a question that requires too many baseless assumptions to be interesting to me.
Julie @ 20
Further proof that cats are smarter than us.
bonkers @ 19
Petraeus with two “good friends”.
TRex @ 18
See this is where my ignorance of some of the intricacies of gay culture confuses me. Can you explain for this assemblage, in as delicate a way as possible, the difference between a top and bottom? I think I know, but for clarification I feel compelled to ask.
As a bonus question, what makes Hugh Jackman a top and David Hyde Pierce a bottom?
TRex, just in case you missed it this morning, Anu Garg at http://www.wordsmith.org does the word of the day. Today’s word was “malkin.” SNORT!! (I try to give spew alerts…)
http://wordsmith.org/words/today.html
When I was but a teen, struggling with my sexual identity, I remember bringing up the question of “sin” and my orientation to my mom. I remember her laughing and hugging me tight and saying, “You are just exactly how God made you, honey. I’ve known you were gay since you were three years old, maybe before. God sent you to this family just the way you are, and He wants you to be happy. You have just as much of a right to be here as a rock or a bird or a tree. So, don’t worry about all that. That’s just ignorant and superstitious people and the discomfort they feel with their own homosexual experiences and feelings. It’s got nothing to do with you.”
Oh my. Is your mother still with you? Would you give her an anonymous kiss for me?
My mother knows about my brother too, But it’s a subject not to be approached with my father, which is too bad, because he’s a very good man.
My brother is the most spiritually serene person I know – which kinda pisses me off – on acount of, ya know, he’s gay – I’m straight – he’s happy – I’m fucked up.
I suppose that there is a god – of some sort. Ironic Motherfucker, though – who is incessantly on my very last nerve.
God, TRex, I love your mama. What a wonderful human being she is.
Of course they are gonna round up the gay animals! Can’t have them mingling with the normal ones. That would be contrary to God’s plan.
Things were so much simpler back when Adam and Eve rode Triceratops to church.
Sigh…
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 24
I had the same question. Thanks for asking that.
rumi @ 29
What good is there having a pack of foul mouthed Satan worshipping homo’s if you can’t ask them good questions?
Okay, real quick. A ‘top’ is the partner who generally does the boinking and the ‘bottom’ is the partner getting boinked. Now, not all gay relationships are like that. Most guys, especially nowadays, are more versatile and less likely to ape the heterosexual normative model.
That aside, I was just joking that D. H. Pierce and Nathan Lane are both so sweet and girlie that they must be bottoms, but obviously, I have no way of knowing that.
And Hugh Jackman (in spite of my best efforts) isn’t even gay.
At least, as far as I know.
Hooray for Mom-Rex, and TRex too!
SusanD @ 27
We’re terribly proud of each other, my mom and I.
Three cheers for TRex’s Mom!!!
Of course!
TeddySanFran @ 34
Hip! Hip!
Blub @
16
Well, their newly appointed head was trying to be a Christian. Which is precisely why the “Christian” Coalition dumped his ass.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 30
yup…they might have really great porn, but, I guess that wouldn’t help, would it. I think I must’ve missed the Satan worshipping threads, unless that was a lost J-Lie supporter.
:-D
Hmm…Patraeus does have sort of a Ted Haggard-esque quality about him, only without the smack. His “friends” sure look happy to have there. Don’t ask, don’t tell…
[sigh of relief]
TRex, you nearly shattered my illusions about Jackman. I thought he was married with children — although I know that’s never a solid record, it still is a better predictor than not.
Phew.
TRex @ 31
That’s what I thought, thanks for the insight. I can now understand better some of the conversations I’ve had with my friends Dan and Rich. Occasionally they forget I don’t know some of these terms and they say them to me and I have to pretend I get it.
You should do a gay to straight dictionary column one night. Some of these things confuse us from time to time.
TRex @ 36
woo-hoo for the good lady that loves life.
Rayne @ 40
TRex can still have his beautiful dreams you know.
‘Whales do it, geese do it…’
;>)
6 cheers for Trex’s mom.
That skin-tight suit he wore in “X-Men” nearly gave me heart palpitations.
Sigh.
My life would prolly be simpler if I could get over this thing I have for gruff-voiced manly-men.
You’ve got a great mom.
We have three dogs. Before and after the boys were neutered, they all exhibited interest in humping each other, plus a unisex interest in sniffing human private anatomy. Before they were neutered they were also interested in lady dogs. They’re equal gender opportunity animals, like all the dogs I’ve ever had. Plus they kinda like kitty buns. Maybe they’re just closer to the core of being than the rest of us. The Norwegians are on to something with their museum.
October 23, 4004 BC, a date that will live in Christianist infamy and 81% of the US population think angels exist and the US Park Service has a book that says the Grand Canyon was created by a mythical flood and on and on. And T-Rex was on Noah’s Ark, was it fun? This country is really fucked-up. BTW thank god,god is gay. Maybe there is hope for us yet.
ouiski @ 46
Yep. She and I were very lucky to find each other in all that complicated pre-birth soul-assignment shuffling.
Rayne and TRex, I agree that Jackman is just too delicious for words! I just recently saw him in PBS’ Royal National Theatre’s ‘Oklahoma’ and was smitten!
And TRex, your mother is a wise and wonderful woman. And I know your brother loves you very much from reading here. You are lucky, indeed.
TRex @ 31
Thanks. I’ve been with women who were adamantly either a bottom or a top and the best which is an alternater…yes, like the one on a car that causes sparks when it’s wound too tight.
I think in either gay or straight life that the T/B is an asexual personality type that adjusts to whatever is comfortable in the relationship….but I’m on my way out of a second marriage so I might not be right about very much.
TRex @ 45
I think whoever did the costuming for that movie must have been bi because Halle Berry’s costume from that was…DAYUMN!
TRex @ 31
Maybe not, but I’ll give you dollars for donuts that Mel Gibson is a closet case.
Ditto. Quite the understatement you’ve got there.
Thank goodness my closest male gay friend does not have the same taste in men. No fighting over the glowering, olive-skinned hairy ones here — they’re all his.
Sigh.
You know, I will always be grateful to that family for stopping and giving me a ride, but oh, GOD did that boat stink! Damn dirty hippies.
Wait a minute – swan hags?
Swoon.
I have thought that ever since I saw the swishy way he runs in “Mutiny on the Bounty”. Yup. Defo major closet case.
For the record, the Norwegians, if their parks and public buildings in Oslo are any indication, do not have “issues” about sex.
Oslo is full of large figurative nude sculpture of all types of bodies, all ages. Families, friends, lovers.
So I guess this type of exhibit would hardly be something that would cause any commotion.
TRex @ 58
I’ve been suspicious since Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. He definitely sways and has a particular pouty stance in ultra macho scenes in that movie that because of all the ubertestosterone in the scenes you just don’t notice otherwise.
Okay, gang. Packing up to head home. See you all in a bit.
TRex @ 55
LOL
That is the funniest thing I’ve read here and that is saying something!
;)
TRex (57) — But we’re on the same page about Jackman?
Hmm. Might have to arm wrestle for that one…nah.
You can have all 6-foot 2-and-a-half inches of him if I get David Duchovny and Colin Firth.
You can have Clive Owen, all yours.
delurking to say -
It’s GREAT to be a FLORIDA GATOR !!!
Ann Regina @ 64
Are they gay?
This is the parenting I aspire to.
“And T-Rex was on Noah’s Ark”
Actually, according to the fundie version, our friend TRex does not exist (sorry to break it to you, T).
The reason paleontologists find “dinosaur bones” buried in the ground is that God put them there when he created the Earth in 4004 BC–to test our faith, or something.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 65
Wouldn’t that make them Gay-tors?
Marion in Savannah @ 25
Thank you, Marion. I was trying to figure out how to post this.
…and doesn’t the Bible say that one day we will all be judged by our…um…”fruits?” My brother imagined St. Peter as a leather queen at the gate sayin’ “Go to Hell, ya bitch!”
Any truth to the rumor that Bill Frist would only operate on gay cats?
-GSD
Rayne @ 6
I’ve heard it explained as a way to guarantee that the young’uns get reared even if the original parents are croaked.
Ann Regina,
What a game, or so I heard. Congrats from a Buckeye!
Japanese launch another sneak attack!
It’s a new Pearl Harbor.
-GSD
Eureka Springs, AR @ 65
Sometimes, all I can do is applaud…
SubwaySerenade @ 70
Well…yeah, but the Bible also says that bats are birds and rabbits chew cud.
Finally, a positive op-ed about Nancy Pelosi.
Thanks Ellen Goodman, we needed that.
-GSD
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 68
Thank you Fini for making my comment on topic. I think all gators are extremely GAY right now – and that is a beautiful thing any way you look at it ;)
GSD @ 77
I read that earlier, Ellen Goodman is a good writer. She is one of the last of the MSM pundits I actually read. Well done piece too.
Boy were YOU lucky having a mom like that.
Maybe 1960, I’m eight, and I play with Charles, the swishy kid down the street. I like playing with Charles, swish and all, ’cause he’s, you know, nice, not mean and competitive. After a three week period or so when we were hanging out every day, riding bikes and talking about the Dodgers and rockets to space and stuff, and just playing, my mother comes out to me and sends Charles home. Tells me I am never to play with him again. I am to ignore him, leave him alone. He’s “different”. My dad lays down the law that night that I’ll be in big trouble (translation: The Belt) if I play with Charles.
I’m confused at this point. Didn’t figure it out until I’m in my teens, long after poor Charles has moved away, friendless.
Sigh. What an idiotic culture.
Oh, you don’t know. All those animals and all the singing every damn day and night. “Michael, rooowww the boat ashore, aleluiaaaaaargh…”
I mean, they were nice people, but would it have killed them to hose out below-decks every now and then?
Anyone catch Snowjob’s comment today at the WH press briefing, on Congres’s ability to cut funding for Iraq?:-0
“The President has the ability to exercise his own authority if he thinks Congress has voted the wrong way.”
Um.
Blub @ 82
But by the same token, Congress has the ability to exercise its own authority if it thinks the President is blowing it off.
Can you say “constitutional crisis?” I knew you could.
Phoenix Woman (72) — yeah, that’s one facet of the “gay feature”, that young may be provided for by other non-parent family members.
There’s also the other utility that persons not absorbed with childrearing bring to a people. Hawaiians can thank the mahu among them for preserving their indigenous culture; I suspect this happened a lot in many other indigenous cultures. Gays became the witch doctor or the shaman or the priest/priestess that kept the records of the people and the arts of the culture, the kinds of important and valuable things that “breeders” don’t have the time, resources, energy to maintain.
Feature. Not. Bug.
Perhaps the proudest moment of my life was when my brother, for some reason, felt safe enough to come out to me.
He was driving – I was riding, when he just said it – “I’m gay, ya know”
Yeah, I knew, pretty much. But for him to say that to me – the jock – the all-conference-everything athlete – kinda blew me away.
I mean – hell – *I* wouldn’t have trusted me with that kind of info – what made him do it?
Maybe he knew that, beneath all my shit – I didn’t care – I love my brother, that’s all. But like I said, he was driving at the time, so it wasn’t time for a hug – just a little chuckle, I guess.
I hope that it went well for him, ’cause that must have been some scary shit.
Howdy folks.
Yep, proud and rowdy up in here.
Hey, TRex!
Blub @ 82
Can I just jump in here and say I wouldn’t piss on Tony Snow if he was on fire? Sleazy, sickening, disingenuous, waxy little bitch.
I would never have thought that it could be worse than the McClellatron 3000, but I was so, so wrong.
roflmao
Hey, brother!
And bloggers!
Ah, timer’s going off, bread’s ready to come out of the oven. And then off to bed.
‘Niters, FirePups.
edit: and you would make me hang back for that, TRex!
Yeah, I do wonder what the percentage of gay bloggers are to the general population of bloggers. Will have to check the Pew Internet & American Life site for a report that might include that demographic.
Hasta, thou cultural keeper of words!!
G’night, Miz Rayne!
Rayne @ 84
I agree and I will even point out that amongst our American heritage, much of the historic neighborhood renovation movement in our urban cores around the country are driven by homosexual couples who are investing billions of dollars in old home restoration and renovation. Literally saving our history, many of these couples treat the houses they are living in and working on as their own children.
Good for you jayt. My brother has not taken it at all well that his older sister decided in middle age that heterosexuality was seriously over-rated. He thinks its because of his religious beliefs, but that kind of aversion is personal and emotional and nothing at all to do with religion. My almost 80-year-old Mennonite parents, on the other hand, are fine. Go figure.
TRex @ 89
Same thing, pretty much.
TRex @ 87
Well.. that’s what happens when your career path is from “fair and balanced” State TV to Mouth of Sauron.
In Bonobos for instance
David Brooks and the U2 singer are an item? who knew?
TRex @ 87
All the good brotherly stuff, and this comment, reminds me of a little story.
My brother, four years older than me, but always very small – people mistook us for twins (god, he hated that) – was getting beaten up by one of our larger neighborhood thugs, and me, being only about 6 or 7, did the only thing i could do. I whipped it out and pissed on the bully. He stopped wailing on my brother and we both ran for home.
Shock and awe, baby.
May G*d forgive you, TRex my son — or daughter, as the case may be; go forth now and take care thou dost not mix thy love with that of men — or of women, as the case may be.
Ralph @ 98
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to tell me here, buddy, but, uh, thanks. You too.
“Go forth peacefully amongst the things, darling…” (Edina Monsoon)
Patrick,
That would be ‘cock and awe’.
-GSD
and the lord said;
I hit that way back when
and the lord said let their be gay
GSD @ 100
Bless you.
GSD @ 100
takin’ care of his peeps
punaise @ 103
Creative non-violence.
Excellent.
One time, this obnoxious kid in my neighborhood hit my brother in the head with a brick and alllll the adults took him to the hospital, both families, although I was still at home as was the kid that hit Patrick Rex and one adult had stayed behind to watch us.
I went to the utility shed and got my daddy’s crow-bar, sneaked up behind that little shit, and whacked him on the head as hard as I could.
Then we ALL got to go to the hospital.
Six stitches as I recall.
You no fuck wit my blood. I KEEL you!
Nuh-uh. That right there is a biological weapon.
TRex @ 105
True story.
Andy Hartman was his name. It wasn’t a brick he got me with, though. It was a hammer.
Redneck kids. Beating each other with iron tools and eating with grandma and grandpa at Hardees afterwards…
Sweet.
TRex @ 106
urine trouble now.
TRex @ 106
I shoulda loaded up on asparagus.
Ralph @ 98
Excuse me?
punaise @ 108
Every time I try to get rid of it, it keeps coming back.
Hey Fern!
My Mennonite mama, who died this past Christmas day, wanted eldest grandson to have her wedding ring, for when he met the right girl. She thought that being gay just meant he hadn’t met the right woman yet. Sweet mama from a small world.
The sisters were trying what to do with the ring, when the youngest grandson (my son), said, “Grandma wanted oldest grandson to have the ring. Give it to him without conditions.” So they did and he was a bit nonplussed. We need to have it reset for him, however he wants. Grandma said, before she died, “Tell eldest grandson, I love him, he is fine. Tell him over and over and over.” Yeah, he gets the ring and doesn’t need a woman to deserve it.
you rexes are some sexy scary boy-childrens
TeddySanFran @ 113
Oh, there are stories and stories, Teddy.
Let’s just say that if a Rex child ever orders you to hand over your cupcake, best do it and quick.
punaise @ 108
Careful, there, punaise. You don’t want to piss him off…
This Fred Fielding fellow who’s replacing Harriet Miers is the deputy who told John Dean about the Watergate breakin. I love when the GOP goes back to their “wise men,” stirring up the taint of their old sins against the Constitution.
Patrick 4/4 @ 111
I have the same problem with reggae tchotchkes:
just can’t get rid of that pesky Jah kitsch
patrick rex @ 114
all my cupcakes are belong to you both, cupcake
TeddySanFran @ 118
Oh, that’s not even us… that’s a MamaRex story….
Hey yourself, NZ Expat – funny thing in my family, it seems the younger they are the more conservative they are – my nephews are the worst. Youngest nephew is heavily involved with some scary evangelical campus group and thinks he is gods right-hand man.
OMG!
Did you guys see the infestation of Althouses over at Sadly, No!?
Make sure to follow the instructions in the Update at the top of the post.
So Joe LieberKlein has taken up blogging over at Time-blog.com. His first screeds have been quite interesting. In one day, he’s already trying to take on the commenters, and crashing and burning mightily. If anyone has some extra gasoline, you can dump it here…
http://time-blog.com/swampland…..ion_1.html
We’ll see if my thoughts make it through moderation over there:
“”Listening to the leftists, though, it’s easy to assume that they are rooting for an American failure.”
Ah yes…where have I heard that before? Let’s see…Hannity, O’Reilly, Limpbaugh, etc? Outside of a few “I’m outraged Bush…” and “I opposed the Iraq war…” you just parroted a bunch right-wing extremist talking points about liberals. Saying I, as a proud liberal or leftist even, am “rooting for an American” failure is an incredible insult…much more than any juvenile name calling that takes place in blog comments.
How’s this: You can support the troops, and also want them alive and out of harm’s way. See how that works? It’s really quite a simple concept if you think about it. We want our military strong so it can do what it is supposed to do – defend our Republic. Most liberals I know don’t feel the US Military should be invading countries that pose no threat to us, and then stay there for 4, 6, 10 years to nation and base-build. God help us if an actual threat presents itself to America while our troops are giving Iraq “peace and stability” through the barrels of their guns.
So, does it ever cross my mind that General (du jour) Patraeus might calm Baghdad? Of course that would be fantastic, and our troops can come home and the Chimperor-in-Chief can eat pretzels all the way back to Kennebunkport. Problem is…that’s not the point.
The point is that our troops are being killed everyday there. Do you and Lieberman really think the McCain Doctrine can work? 140,000 troops haven’t been even close to enough to bring stability to Iraq. Y’all think 20,000-40,000 more will do it, and you’re willing to wager the lives of potentially thousands more of our brave soldiers? Therein lies the difference in opinion between “leftists” like me, and you Mr. Klein.
Notice how I haven’t questioned your patriotism. Please stop questioning mine.”
Fern @ 120
Spoiled him. Somebody did. Now he believes in magical spirits and Christianist voodoo.
Sad.
Yep, we’ve got some of the conservative fundamentalists here, and they do tend to be the younger ones. Oh well, I’m off in secular NZ and enjoying the quiet atmosphere of that. No one is ranting or preaching around me.
TeddySanFran @ 116
Does that mean that Bush asked John Dean first, but he turned Bush down?
punaise @ 108
excrete me a river….
So when I hear about the Somalia action I am reminded of this Bush quote:
“When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It’s going to be decisive.”
-GSD
Ooooooh!!! SOMEBODY GET SCREEN-SHOTS QUICK!!
I suspect this won’t last long at all.
Oh, noooo, Joe Klein! Oh, ye pampered thin-skinned diva, are you in for a ride!
He may as well have walked into a lion-cage wearing a suit made of pork-chops.
montag @ 126
urethra for us or aghast us
NZ Expat @
124
Does it cost a lot to live there? I’d love a place where no one ranted and preached at me.
bonkers @ 122
nicely done
Margot @ 130
or panted and reached at you?
Bush and his neocon enablers and supporters like the Surge Sisters and Joe deKlein are like that group at the karaoke show that try to dominate the mic. Eventually, the mic needs to be passed to better singers so these tone deaf drunks will take their party home and hopefully not to another bar in Iran.
“If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it.”
Julius Caesar… true in 49 bce, 1973… or 2006
TeddySanFran @
116
At first glans this would appear to be a dick joke.
-GSD
Depending on how you count, 2-3 people in my family came out late in 2006. Overall reaction: amusement, support, and fundamental lack of giving a damn. With a bit of, “Really? Well, nobody told me! Nobody tells me anything!” and a few, “So, tell me about him”s! thrown in for good measure.
Times like that, I really appreciate my family. (Convincing my mother bisexuality actually exists, on the other hand, is a chore some of us have been avoiding, individually and collectively.)
Speaking of teh buttfukkrrz, something about hearing him say that always raised a bit of a red flag for me. He’s not a well man, our Preznint.
Sometimes I wonder if Victor Ashe gave him HIV. It would explain why they bag up all his wastes and whisk them away.
punaise @ 129
and there’s a vas deferens between the two…
punaise @ 129
Peterr @ 125
Dean, I believe, lost his license to practice law as a result of Watergate.
Patrick 4/4 @ 137
getting testy?
punaise @ 140
The gentleman doth prostate too much.
Patrick 4/4 @ 137
Duct!
montag @ 142
Uncovered.
Patrick 4/4 @ 141
It’s a gland thing, though, is it not?
OK, folks. Time to turn out the light here.
Anyone wanting to contribute to the “Help Patrick Rex open his recording studio” fund, please ship 16 track two inch tape machines and tapes to the address above.
I am ready to stop traveling with the band all weekend and always being tired. I want to make records in my backyard.
Yes, I still call them records. I bet even Steve Audio does that once in a while.
punaise @
141
No, just being a sad sac.
-GSD
Patrick 4/4 @ 143
no fallow peein’ tubes here, nope
patrick rex @ 145
Pro Tools is cheaper and maintenance free.
Also, another analysis of what Bush is setting the US troops up for:
Stalingrad on the Tigris.
-GSD
omg Swampland at time.com is hysterical — bonus points if you can count how many times they write “Ana Marie is right….” and “Joe is right….”
Also interesting that W’ette took down yahoo for misidentifying Mitt as Rudy, while mocking the Media Matters folks for their outrage about the Osama/Obama captioning “errors” — without ever mentioning that the original “error” occurred on her co-paid CNN.
Patrick 4/4 @ 143
I’ll be civil, it’s my only defense.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @
149
I want to record drums to two-inch tape to get that warm and fat sound, then bounce them down into protools.
I was also worried that if I said “Please send money” or hardware that SOMEONE ACTUALLY WOULD. I was just daydreaming aloud, and wishing Steve Audio would stop by.
If someone actually gave me something for the studio (other than a cool black lava lamp) I would feel awfully strange and uncomfortable…
montag @ 151
Those signs were yellow for a reason…
another scatter logical thread…
More Fred Fielding:
So, when General Haig came sweatily off the podium in 1981, having announced to the country and the assembled press corps, “I’m in charge here!” Fielding must have been the guy who said, “Actually, you’re not. Bush is.”
hmmmmm.
My post at Joke Line’s blog:
TeddySanFran @ 151
Shades of Domenech, eh? Why is this “blogging” thing so hard for these maroons?
TRex – I had the same reaction… Hugh is hot, hot, hot. (And happily married)
patrick rex @ 152
My buddy Eric has some device (a tube preamp I think) that he uses to process the drum mics into his Pro Tools rig that gives drums that same warm sound you’re looking for. Ask your trusted music store gear head about it, I forget who makes it but it’s got a lot of studio guys excited.
Fern @
120
He has god confused with his right hand.
It’s like you’re walking into the lion cage at the zoo wearing a suit made entirely of pork chops.
that’s funny
TRex @ 157
HA! Man, I hope that gets posted!
TRex @ 137
Maybe Old Barbara just likes to set his wastes on the piano and admire what her oldest accomplished that day? A good son wouldn’t deny his mother that joy, just because he was outta town.
punaise @ 132
Both rate really high on the “People I’d Like To Slap” scale.
NZ Expat says
January 8th, 2007 at 9:55 pm*
I know that she died on Christmas. I didn’t know how to respond – so I didn’t but please know that I wanted to – thought and thought about it – came up with nothing. I hope that your remaining Christmases will be somehow remain joyous.
Grandma said, before she died, “Tell eldest grandson, I love him, he is fine. Tell him over and over and over.” Yeah, he gets the ring and doesn’t need a woman to deserve it.
There is most certainly such a thing as old souls. Those who have wisdom. Those who have been here before, and pass easily through the garbage and get straight to the the truth. Sounds like you had one of those. Bless her, and please accept the meager condolences which I can offer.
Interesting that most of the ‘old souls’ tend to be female.
When I go – I’m coming back as a raging mother of a male – with a conscience.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 160
Heard some rumblings about that. I will have to check it out!
OK, headed off to bed.
Night, all.
Good night, brother.
EvilDrPuma @ 76
Actually, they do, sort of, though it’s not exactly the same as cows.
UGH!! Klein’s over there frothing about the “illiberal left” this, the “illiberal left” that. Dude. It’s not that we’re not liberal. You’re just a moron, so naturally, we must roast you on a spit.
And serve you on a platter with an apple in your mouth.
TRex @ 169
Did Klein get rejected by every hippie chick he ever asked out or something? WTF is his effin deal?
TRex @ 170
with cocktail weenie garnish!
at this this thread didn’t deteriorate into Peeance and Freeance
punaise @ 172
Freeance means you have to wait to get paid, right?
Patrick 4/4 @ 173
No it just means the insects come at no extra charge.
WaPo chatz tomorrow, ask yer questions early if you want!
Peter Baker, on Politics, at 11am eastern. Peter wrote the swell Fielding article in Tuesday’s WaPo
Opinist Eugene Robinson at 1pm eastern
Patrick 4/4 @ 153
A MAD-dening conceptualization….
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 171
See, this is one things I’ve really enjoyed with all the emerging media like blogs, AAR, etc. It’s a whole new set rules rules for the cocktail weenie-ists. They’re getting called on their bullshit now, and they don’t know how to handle it. You can just hear the little voices inside their heads saying, “It’s not supposed to be like this! What’s happening…WAHHHH! Mommy!” Hilarious to watch each one implode.
montag @ 176
OMG.
Patrick 4/4 @ 178
Mark Spoelstra wrote that during the Cuban Missile Crisis….
bonkers @
178
It’s causing a lot of discombobulation in society. It all started out so innocently, a few computers here and there, a few web enthusiasts writing their personal screeds for their hundred friends or so. Now, 10 and 20 years later the hippie revolutionaries that put down the joint long enough to finish getting the computer degree in the 70s and 80s have launched a worldwide revolution, while stuffing their pockets with boatloads of cash flushing into the Democrat and Green parties, environmental movement and other liberal causes. And it all happened under the nose of the conservatives and sellout Dems like Lieberman and Klein.
montag @ 179
I couldn’t even pee with intent in 1962.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 180
That explains why Lieberman’s server crashed…. :)
McCain’s warmongering got only five pages of comments, compared to RGJoe’s 37. Do you think Lieberman will tease John?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 171
I had the same thought while reading his cry for mommy hugs post. Is it me or are we all in moderation over there? I cannot see any comments.
Patrick 4/4 @ 181
There were a lot of people peeing without intent then….
Exciting times indeed, but all you gotta do is watch a few Sunday morn shows, or read the AP wire, and realize how far we still have to go. It sure has been fun so far though and looking forward to keeping this train rollin!
Joke Line says, “I love it! First day of Swampitude and the left-wing blogosphere–which is overpopulated by illiberal leftists and reactionary progressives–is already attacking me.”
Let’s see if he still loves it, say, a week from now. From what I have seen so far, “attacking” is rather overstating it. I don’t think he has begun to learn what the “left-wing blogosphere” can do.
His latest, by the way, doesn’t have any comments yet…
neurophius @ 187
What the hell is a reactionary progressive? Isn’t that a contradiction in terms?
Oh, I get it… it’s a Joke Line.
Watching Joe Klein blog is like watching your dad’s friend from work get a couple of beers in him and decide he’s going to try out your skateboard.
“Lemme see that thing. It can’t be that hard.”
You know he’s going to be in the ER getting his elbow x-rayed within the hour. You could set your watch by it.
TRex @ 190
another true Rex family experience?
TRex @ 190
Quote fixed for comedic effect.
Actually a working-in-the-hospital experience. During the summer, there’d be at least three or four a week. Middle-aged person, busted arm or seriously bumped head, chagrinned expression.
“Let me guess. Skateboard?”
“No, roller-blades.”
My invisible response to jokeline…
So you were for it but now are against it but wish them well now.
Sort of sounds like wishing the bird flu prosperity but hoping noone gets sick.
Stop playing around, you were wrong and many of us in a fact based world understand how awful that must be to get a handle on. Most important, far more than your desire to express compassion and be understood is that lots of people are killing and being killed for nothing other than a pack of liars and thieves in utter disdain for all others.
If you mean what you say use your pulpit to bring justice to all who lay in a hospital or graveyard and make sure their constitution is both protected and restored.
You made a good step when you changed your tune, kudos for that. Now stand up, be an adult instead of waiting for some blog hugging forgiveness festival.
Time for that later.
When my religious bigot in-laws realized my younger brother was gay, they asked their son, my husband, “What will you tell your children about their uncle?”. To his unending credit, he told them, “That his sex life is none of their business–or those of their other uncles, or even yours.” They didn’t bring up my brother again. (Actually, my parents brought him up just fine the first time….)
Good night all. Sleep well.
From the linked Stalingrad on the Tigris—
A couple of months ago on the CNN weekend feature “This Week at War” the host took a sat picture of Baghdad and zoomed in to look at the area that was attempting to be “swept” by U.S. forces. They zoomed back and all you could see were blocks and blocks of tightly constructed buildings with small streets and alleys between. It was a maze that would make the best teen-age gamer grimace. The point was this was an impossible task, that there was no way a patrol or three (or any number) could pacify an urban area that dense and that full of escape and attack routes.
I just used Google Earth to look around Baghdad—it’s like a huge block-building maze. This we are going to go subdue? This we will send our tired guys into to win the war?
Oh, man, someday Bush and his backers will find a special place in hell with a big fat “reserved” sign, waiting for them.
The comments LieberKlein got all worked up about were quite fair and tactful I thought. He obviously doesn’t get out in the Toobz much if that’s gonna get his panties in a bunch.
jayt at 166 speaks of old souls.
Weird thing happened to us. Back in 1988, when we went to welcome new neighbors, the father, who was Indian, quickly excused himself and then came back with a tall glass of milk for my then four year old daughter and a plate of cookies just for her (the rest of us shared a plate of cookies). The next time we met, he said that he must explain. “She is an old soul,” he said, and I must honor her.” We moved shortly after that, but I never really knew what he saw that made him react that way.
By the way, she has been in great psychological distress since Jan 2001 and has been improving since last summer. Mysteries, mysteries.
Patrick 4/4 @ 196
buenos nachos, con salsa
I’m out of gas too. Gnight all!
bonkers @ 197
I don’t see this going well for him.
[/understatement]
punaise @ 199
Osmosis amoebas!!
Quasimodo!
What a great essay, TRex.
When I was but a teen, struggling with my sexual identity, I remember bringing up the question of “sin” and my orientation to my mom. I remember her laughing and hugging me tight and saying, “You are just exactly how God made you, honey. I’ve known you were gay since you were three years old, maybe before.
You’ve got a wonderful mom. I coached for years, volunteered in scouting while my son was a scout, supervise community groups with a lot of kids. What your mom said about “know”ing is so true. Over the years, watching Talifungelical parents struggle to deal with the cognitive dissonance and far, far, far worse that goes through their gay kids heads as they grow up, I’ve felt so helpless. Mostly it has been the practical impossibility of intervening as I feel I should on the kid’s behalf as the dissonance grows. So sad.
I’m saving the essay, TRex. Should be one of the first chapters of your book. The parts about the relationship of scientific knowledge to this aspect of the creationist agenda has some important connections. Might be the best rendering of that subtopic I’ve read yet. This could be cross-posted at a place like pandasthumb.org very appropriately.
I do believe it has been said somewheres’ amongst all that biblical pornography; God is neither a he nor a she. God indeed is a HE/SHE!
Joe Klein says,
“And so a challenge to those who slagged me in their comments. Can you honestly say the following:
Even though I disagree with this escalation, I am hoping that General Petraeus succeeds in calming down Baghdad.
Does the thought even cross your mind?”
Does a worthwhile thought ever cross Joe’s mind?
I would have no trouble accepting his challenge and agreeing with his proposed statement. However, since I am not someone who “slagged” him in the comments, I don’t suppose he wants to hear it from me.
“Slagged”?
Main Entry: 3slag
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): slagged; slagging
Etymology: probably from 2slag
chiefly British : to criticize harshly
If he takes those comments to be harsh criticism, he has no business being a blogger.
Tick…tick…tick…
My contempt for the congressional leadership of the Democratic Party will not abate until I hear an honest answer on the Iran problem to the question Wes Clark has raised. “Why not negotiate seriously for a change?” is the best way I can paraphrase what I think Clark has been trying to ask over the past week or ten days.
The foreign press has covered Steny Hoyer’s JPost interview where he claimed to represent the Dem leadership in his position that, regarding Iran, no military options whatsoever are off the table. The American MSM and mainstream left blogs are tippy-toeing around this dissonance. As forces are pulled off of every other op or duty worldwide.
neurophius @ 205
Well, Joe, if there’s anything to be said about impure motives and bad beginnings, your blog and your war are going to meet similar ends….
Or should I say, “…he has no business pretending to be a blogger.”
No, that might be too harsh…
We had these two boy rabbits once. They, um, liked each other. Except when they hated each other. But it was my first incontrovertable evidence that “homosexual behavior” could be found in animals.
Leslie Pool @ 204
When I think about God, a lot of the time I think about Moses at the burning bush.
God: Moses, listen.
Moses: Who the hell are you?
God: I AM what I AM.
Although, I wonder if we created “issues” in those rabbits by naming them Phydeaux and Laertes…
I think I’ve dated both of them.
“slagadelic, baby“
punaise @ 215
Slag it to me.
digby:
neurophius @ 215
Don’t heap it to yourself.
Um, I have to go do some things backstage now before I fall asleep at the computer. Got to make sure tomorrow morning’s *guest posts* (!!) are all ship-shape and ready to go.
I’ll try to check back before bed, but if I don’t, see you in the morning.
Good night, all.
me too. g’night.
one more, from Kevin Drum:
The opening of a Tuesday essay at antiwar.com by Pat Buchanan:
As George Bush reflects on his legacy, an urgent question must be pressing in upon him each day.
Will I leave here as the man who launched failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost thousands of U.S. dead, to no avail? Or can I yet enter history as the Churchillian statesman who used U.S. power to save America and Israel from the mortal threat of atomic weapons in the hands of the Iranian mullahs?
Which legacy would Bush prefer? Or Cheney?
As Americans await Bush’s address announcing a “surge” of 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops to Iraq, we may be missing the larger picture. The War Party is turning its attention from Iraq – to Iran.
Nor is it simply an analysis of the character of George Bush that causes one to so conclude.
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=10290
But Olivier himself would be proud of the metaphorical smelling salts that blog critics regularly pretend to reach for whenever they read an actual swear word or two in a blog post. Buck up, folks!
close to priceless…..
Renee in Ohio @ 210
I wish I could find it now (because the column was a hoot), but there was a fellow who was a sheep farmer in Vermont or New Hampshire who wrote an occasional column for, I think, Boston magazine, about fifteen years ago on rural life, and one column was about the family’s pet rabbit (bought so that the very young children would become accustomed to caring for animals) and the family cat that involved both same-sex and cross-species major, class-A copulation.
I always think of that column when I hear the phrase, “it’s against nature.” :)
Mrs. Ben Bradlee surprises me today. I think the Beltway Aristocracy has turned on Junja, truly:
But I kind of believe that should read, “Buck the fuck up, you buncha pansies!”
TeddySanFran @ 225
Whoa, dude. Is that someone actually telling the truth?
Minus 33 degrees F. I hope this is the coldest night of the year. Indeed, I do.
Good night, everyone.
Keep warm, ET!
TRex @ 229
Thanks. I’m thankful about how remarkably warm and snug we are. Seee Ya.
Here’s a poem I found today. I like it a lot.
GROOVING THE GROOVE
By Frank B. Ford
From Armani into LL Bean
and thus authority unwinds
at picnic tables broadcasting
beer and snacks–
avowedly low class.
One who drinks a sixpack
more than necessary
goes on over deaths.
Two burly acolytes
escort him away
from the neocon table.
“This Bleeding Hearts
Headquarters?” they in-
quire at another. “It is
now,” comes the answer.
How all the grove looks then
towards whitest eminence for wit!
To raucous cheers announceth he
“These pretzels are making me thirsty!”
http://counterpunch.com/poems12162006.html
Ed*ard Teller @
228
Woo Lawd! Any wind (Maybe at that point it doesn’t matter)? In any case, I hope you can stay in.
atrios busts Joke Line:
OK, now I’m really signing off.
ET, what you have is headed down this way. We are supposed to be below freezing starting Wed nite.
I think TRex was too optimistic in his estimate that JokeLein would shut off comments in one week. I think it is more like 24 hours. Isn’t that what all the other political/pundit posers do when they start up a blog?
g’nite, ‘pups!
No wind, but I’m out in the shop/band place. It is heated by a wood stove and our latest batch of firewood could be better. But it isn’t, so I’m dealing with that. Night, suzanne, pd…..
Ed*ard Teller @ 234
I recall one night in Michigan when it got down to -22 deg. F, without any wind. I walked out about 3 a.m., and it was cold enough that the smoke from the chimneys cooled so rapidly that it simply rolled out of the top of the chimneys, down the roofs and down across the ground. Didn’t much feel like staying out in it for long…. :)
Take care, ET, and stay warm. Nice to know that I’m not the only one dealing with firewood that could be better.
montag, I’ve not been below zero so have never had the opportunity to see that. What you described sound eerily mezmerizing. Must have been a sight to see the smoke rolling down like that.
Suzanne @ 236
Yeah, it was very odd. Contrary to expectations, and a little startling until one thought about the physics of it a bit. Our normal experience is that smoke goes up. :)
Margot @
130
The exchange rate makes for a cheap-ish holiday, but it costs more if you’re working and living there. Salaries are lower, and a dollar doesn’t go as far. You’ll notice it – your standard of living will drop, and you’ll live with fewer luxuries.
After a year, you won’t miss the long-gone luxuries. You’ll wonder why you ever thought you needed them.
And you’ll notice that you’re healthier, and your stress levels have dropped. You’ll only realise how much more relaxed and happy you are when you fly back to your home country and visit your stressed-out friends and relatives.
It’s probably the most civilised english-speaking country on Earth. Decency and common sense still reign supreme there. I lived there for nine years, and intend to retire and get old and annoying there.
ET – sure is good to see Pat Buchanan take ahold of the looming attack on Iran. I hope he takes this to the airwaves.
I once camped with the scouts not far from an observatory in Nebraska on an unexpectedly bitter cold night, minus twenty! I learned that night to keep all clothes in my bag with me! Needless to say we stayed in our sleeping bags pretty late the next morning.
Another cold morning in NE, was sixty below with wind chill. Cars wouldn’t start etc. School wasn’t cancelled and I had about a mile and a half walk with as much as I could put on and still move. By the time I hit the sidewalk it felt like I was wearing nothing at all. The funny looking part was all of the kids wearing four of five layers indoors all day.
Worst couple of cold weeks was here in the early eighties we had highs right around zero with no electricity or running water and nearly a couple of feet of snow on the ground. Twice a day breaking through about two feet of ice in the ponds so the horses could get a drink. Worst of all was trying to maintain wood heat in about a seven thousand sq ft house.
Its been long enough now that those are good memories…) (I’m sure our mild winter is helping as well.)
g’nite all
Twisted Martini @
10
Actually, that seems a bit off. I’m straight, but I’m sure I’ve showered with any number of gay guys at the local swimming pool, with no apparent damage on either side. A better question might be “Do you plan to ask them to have sex with you?” Might trigger some heart attacks as a side benefit, too.
Rayne @ 40
Well, I think I can help here. Hugh Jackman did his acting training in my hometown, at a campus not far from where I live. I saw him from time to time in the supermarket and at the pub. Of course, I had no idea of who he was, other than a whole lot of hubba-hubba. From what I saw, he was definitely hetero.
Good morning, firepups. I need to tell someone about my power bill, so you know what is going on here (New Orleans). It was nearly $500 this month. This includes gas and electricity. Actual gas usage was $33.60. Formula rate plan was $8.83 (whatever that is), ENO Purchased Gas Adj was $163.93, Street use Franchise fee was $10.86 for a total gas bill of $217.22. On the electric part, usage was $105.50, Fuel Adjustment was $129.60, and a Street Use Franchise Fee of $12.37. Of course, we called. “These are Public Service Commission charges,” they said. So we called the PSC. They said that Orleans Parish is not in their jurisdiction, that it was city council. So we called them. Of course, the person we needed to speak to there was not in. In all, the charges were about five times what we would have paid pre-Katrina. I think Entergy is trying to recoup losses from the storm (from those of us who still have jobs)…and it reinforces the local theory that the oil companies want the port. We wonder if they plan to turn it all over to Dubai.
montag @
236
Yeah, things really behave differently below about -20F. You can hear humming and metal fatigue, it seems, and you get thirsty, really thirsty. I’ve been in wind-chilled -40s and worse a few times in Chicago and Michigan, and at that point you want your mother, who’s probably somewhere warm wishing you her best; best to just stay inside then.
Still, believe it or not I’d rather that occasionally than this mild stuff we’re having, which I find very disquieting. A little cold is good for you.
The “animals do teh gay so it’s okay” argument has always been a stupid one for supporters of gay-rights to adopt.
Animals also eat their live young, murder step-children, have sex with kids and commit rape. All are normal animal behaviors.
Lindy @
242
Please note: the winter has been very mild and we have only one gas heater for the downstairs. We had to use it less than a week for heating.
Good morning, everyone. Nicholas Kristof and Orlando Patterson in the NYT today. Have a great day.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Actually, based on the evidence in the natural world, it appears a more accurate to say, “God is bisexual.”
Mornin’, all –
Well, Boner (sic) got to go to his ball game but I doubt he enjoyed it over much. What goes ’round, comes ’round, don’cha know. *g*
And let this be a lesson to Dems in deecee…….making nice w/the thugs only EVER gets you a knife in the back!
Blaaaaaagh & spit – Fred Kegan is on C-Span this a.m. They’ve put him on every msm venue possible as the “face” of the P.R. campaign for more bodies in Bagdad. :-(
Rayne @ 40
I’m sorry. I’m a female but I don’t get the big whoop about Jackman.
I guess I likes my mens wid brains and convictions.
Going to go work on my “Sexiest White Men” collage, including Russ Feingold, Howard Dean, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and Keith Olbermann.
Oh yeah, forgot, “old”! By Hugh Jackman standards, anyway.
Oh, and David Sirota. There’s a young ‘un fer ya.
Sorry to degenerate the conversation into who’s sexy vs. not so sexy. But, Howard still tops my list. His sex appeal remained a well-kept secret during the 2004 primaries, but there was a website dedicated to his sexiness at the time which is still up but inactive. Never saw a Crushies for Edwards or Kerry, et al. And I did look. And the pics of a young, shirtless Howard! Yowza. Nice pecs. Very nice.
{fanning self}
Mornin’ Waccamaw. Off to work.
Mornin’ All,
pretty much my pet theory – simply another mutation that allowed species survival – a small but significant bloc not caught up in the reproductive-childrearing cycles that allowed us to flourish
mandrake, there were some post-Ykos threads discussing ‘Wonky-as-Hunky’ – am thinking of attending this year’s event just b/c it’s in driftglass territory – yowza!
Mornin’.
Coffee?
Morning, all. Clear day here in Maine for a change, tho still too warm and too little snow. Mr. Cardinal right outside the window, eating lilac seeds and/or buds.
Re: very cold, calm weather: the very best thing to do in such conditions is go outside and blow soap bubbles. The results are fun.
back on topic;
what is clear here, is if you believe in god, you can not possibly deny that god made sex for enjoyment as well as procreation
demonstrated in other animals, not just humans
ixnay @ 255
Not having any of the above at the moment (except maybe a little fun), plezzzzz describe ;-)
Talk to any vet that is involved with breeders (of almost any animals) there are some male animals that refuse to breed with females, so the only way is atrificials inseminations. Likewise there are some females that will literally fight to the death to avoid being mounted by a male. Again, they are just fine with the turkey baster,
These are otherwise well socialized =domestic animals (being deliberatley bred because of their superior characteristics to the breed type), the females make good mothers. They jsut don’t want any part of hetro sexual sex.
Mr. Prop breeds Labs for show, so Littleprop learned all about the birds and the bees when she was a toddler. She “caught” her first puppies coming out when she was only 3, when her father turned his back to weigh a prior puppy during a welp.
When she first became aware of GLB issues being discussed on TV, whe was astounded that anyone thought that was odd or deviante, b/c she could name names of pets she ahd known who exhibited these traits.
How anyone can think it is a “lifestyle choice” is beyond me.
Wow, TRex – that’s beautiful. Good Morning, everyone! Feels like a good morning, too. A post like that, TRex, is a sign of more good things to come this year.
ixnay @ 256
Do the bubbles freeze?
new thread
Hi, egregious -
“Do the bubbles freeze?” That’s exactly what I was wondering; sorta like *very* fragile fishing float balls? No residue to sweep up ;-)
It is not always possible to make a direct human-to-nonhuman comparison vis a vis sexual behavior. For many species, sexual-type behavior is stereotypic and contains a meaning far from sexual. For instance, in many species (including humans, particularly in jail settings) a male will simply be demonstrating social dominance by mounting another male. There is not necessarily any sexual attraction involved. The key is in repeat, non-social dominance situations: does a male prefer to attempt to mate with other males (and the same for females)? If so, then that is directly comparable to human homosexuality.
The bonobos are complex and interesting. Sexual behavior for them fills a LOT of social roles quite beyond purely sexual. It is used to express dominance, to sooth fear or hurt, and to simply seek social bonding (a general social glue) or even pleasure. Again, whether such action is actually comparable to homosexuality, per se, would have to be based upon de facto mating behavior and predominant pairing arrangements. A male that mounts another male (or males) now and again is not necessarily a bonobo “homosexual” if his sexual mating behavior goes to females. A male that ignores females in estrus and who mounts other males virtually to exclusion would be “homosexual”.
Same goes for virtually any animal, human, bonobo, dog, tiger, whatever. Don’t try to make overly simplistic “homosexual” comparisons based purely on isolated behaviors in other species. It isn’t that simple anymore than it is that simple in humans. That said, there is enough “problem” for the Talibangesticles in the more free-form sexual expression of various non-human animals (and many humans) for them to get their granny panties in a knot over beyond merely “homosexual” behaviors all over the animal kingdom.
I was leaving the Met this weekend after a beautiful performance of the Magic Flute (Julie Taymor did the production. A visual treat as well as an audible one.) My 10 year old daughter snuggled close in the chilly Manhattan air. We didn’t bring coats because it was so warm in the afternoon. About 10 paces ahead, two well dressed gentlemen drifted closer and closer to one another as they walked. Suddenly, they found each other’s hands, held, squeezed and continued walking hand-in-hand. How sweet, I thought.
mandrake @ 250
Hugh Jackman has brains and convictions
I think what’s going on is, for the first several hundred years, natural science was done by men and men only. They saw animal behavior through a male lens — “Sex is all that matters, and courtship is what you do to get sex.” Anything that didn’t fit that frame was invisible.
But in the last couple of decades, biology has been infiltrated by women, and there has been a feminization of the field. As a result, we can now see things we didn’t see before. Through this lens, affiliation and bonding is the goal, and sex is only one of many courtship behaviors animals (and people) use to accomplish this goal.
Great story!
All together now!
“Rent overdue
My sister has measles
Hole in my shoe
My belt’s drawn tight
My income is nil
My in-laws are weasels
My present is dark
My future’s a fright
But as long as you are there
What in the world do I care?
Though hope is low,
I’m aglow when you smile at me
Life is simple as A B C
Not a thought in my head
Not a care in the world
Though skies are grey
I’m as gay as a Disney cow
Not a wrinkle upon my brow
Not a cent in the red
Not a care in the world
I view the scene
Like that old queen of Russia
As Kate the Great
Used to say long sgo
“Nichevo!”
And so if I move
In a groove with a giddy trot
I’m a trottin’ because I’ve got
Not a bean in my pot
Not a care in the world
Though I can’t jive
I revive when I see your face
Not a limp in my merry pace
Not a crimp in my style
Not a care in the world
Though I’m a wreck
I can peck if you take a chance
Not a shine on my blue serge pants
Not a crack in my smile
Not a care in the world
Why should I fret
When I bet on a sure thing?
Like Nick the Greek
Used to say ev’ry day
“Yip-i-ay!”
And so if I’m struttin’
With nuttin’ ahead in store
There’s a reason I said before
I’ll repeat it once more
Not a care in the world!”
(Lyrics by John LaTouche, Music by Vernon Duke. From Banjo Eyes starring Eddie Cantor )
I’m pretty certain my cat is gay. Faith should be (maybe) seen and not heard. The religious industry would do well to go fuck itself in the ass. I would if I could!
TRex @
212
God is a bush? Who knew? I guess that explains a lot.
So…G*d is a lesbian.
Actually…if G*d is a reflection of each of us, G*d is everyone.