
When the President finally announces this week his predictable and repeatedly leaked plan to escalate the war in Iraq, it will mark the culmination of another massive fraud on the American people. It will signal yet another betrayal of the nation’s armed services men and women and their families. Just as the President and his men lied us into the war, misled us about the conduct of the war, and misled us about the horrible conditions created by his failed policies, the Bush Administration concealed from the public before the 2006 elections their intentions to escalate the war after the elections.
Commenting on the continuing Michele Malkin fiasco and the right wing's despicable witch hunt against the AP’s reporting on the horrors of Iraq’s sectarian murders, digby wrote:
But as we've seen so frequently these past few years, the right has developed a capability of creating an alternate reality as it happens which means that today, the first draft of history is being written in two dimensions. They don't have to airbrush history, they are editing in the camera.
This particular incident is just one of many and it's what allowed so much of what's happened over the last few years to happen. The right's professional noise machine is creating a disorienting inability on the part of many journalists and citizens to be able to distinguish reality from fantasy — and it's making it possible for someone like the president to be completely unresponsive to the people.
We keep expecting that reality is going to change things. For instance, we logically thought that the president would have to begin to withdraw in Iraq once his popularity tanked to unprecedented lows and his party lost the election. Instead, he just carries on, no matter what happens out here in the real world, because in the world the right wing has created, this last election shows that he has a mandate to escalate the war.
I think digby is right about the right, but I suspect that it’s even worse than that. To the current White House occupants, the mid-term elections were not a democratic means to validate or reject candidates and by implication, the policies they advocate or oppose. Instead, the elections were an obstacle in time, a temporary restraint on the President’s ability to tell the truth and reveal what his intentions were all along.
The day after the election, the President himself explained, without the slightest embarrassment, that he deliberately lied about his pre-election plans to replace Defense Secretary Rumsfield to avoid making this an issue — translation: further damage to Republicans on election day. And news reports/analysis since then reveal that the President’s team secretly began as early as September, two months before the election, not mid November as they first claimed, the Iraq strategy review that would inevitably lead to escalation, but they deliberately withheld that information from the public. And we know any review by this crowd would lead to escalation because the only kinds of people this President listens to are those who tell him that he cannot conceive of losing but can still win by escalating the war. Given this President’s lack of candor, we thus have every reason to believe that the same unapologetic lying was involved for at least the entire year before the elections.
This deception was designed to minimize Republican losses in the upcoming midterms, and thereby to undermine the potential for investigations, oversight and possible impeachment. To do that, the White House needed to convince the American people that they had a plan to win the war, that the plan was working, and that within a reasonable time, possibly before the elections, we could begin to remove US troops from Iraq. Any message that might suggest an escalation was dismissed by the WH, because the President listened to his Generals and the Generals had not asked for more troops. "Stay the course," now appears to have been a cover for the real intent to expand the war once the elections were over. And even when realities forced the WH to declare that phrase inoperative, there was no suggestion before the elections that "escalation" would take it's place.
The deception included the twin claims that (1) as we trained the Iraqis to stand up, we would stand down and (2) that this plan was working. The first element cynically used General Casey and General Abizaid to make plans for gradual withdrawal of US troops and to reveal those plans to the media. From an archived (possibly Times Select) article, April 11, 2005:
Two years after the fall of Saddam Hussein, the American-led military campaign in Iraq is making enough progress in fighting insurgents and training Iraqi security forces to allow the Pentagon to plan for significant troop reductions by early next year, senior commanders and Pentagon officials say.
General Casey would then keep mentioning these hopes, right up to the elections, even as the WH itself would dismiss Democrat's calls for withdrawal and remain coy about when, if ever, Casey's plans would actually take effect. The second element meant that reports of deteriorating security conditions and increasing sectarian killing sponsored by elements of the Iraq government needed to be portrayed by the WH and rightwing media as the result of misleading/biased reports by the “liberal” (meaning, anti-Bush) media to ignore the good news and portray conditions far worse than they were. Tony Snow, Fox News, Laura Ingraham, Michele Malkin and their ilk certainly played their witting and unwitting parts in this deception, with Malkin’s efforts to smear the AP only one recent example.
It was necessary for the President and his men to conceal the reality before the elections to help the President and his war supporters – think Joe Lieberman — to get beyond the elections. The Republicans lost their Congressional majorities, by the slimmest margin in the Senate, but without the lying they might well have lost by a greater margin. More important, the message to the winners, including surviving Republicans, would have been to take an even stronger stand against the President’s policies than we see now. After all, impeaching a President and Vice President requires a simple majority in the House, but removing them from office requires a significant number of Senate votes from the President’s party.
The election is over, but it’s results almost don’t matter now. Just as the message before the election was designed to convey the notion that the policy was in support of eventually withdrawing US troops, so the consistent message since the election has been about the need and options for increasing troops and escalating the war. Yet nothing that occurred on the day of, the day before, or the day after the elections changed a single reality in Iraq itself. The election was not a signal that their policy had failed, any more than it was a mandate to withdraw; to this Administration, it was a release from further political constraints. And a plan that could not even be hinted at before is now about to be implemented.
I watched Bob Schieffer ask Speaker Pelosi on Face the Nation what options the Congress has to stop the President’s plans for more war. She hinted that funding for an escalation might be separated from funding for the troops currently there, but I don't see how one can separate normal rotations from a "surge." (See C&L segment here.) Overall, her answers were as constrained as the questions, because Schieffer and those he represents are not yet ready to ask the only questions that matter. Short of removal from office, how do you force a willful and deceitful President to stop making war and endangering thousands of people?
The Democratic leadership is still wondering what they can possibly do to induce this President to respect the rule of law and the will of the electorate. They must know a letter won’t do it, even though it may be a necessary step. Cutting off funds for troops still in harms way is understandably deemed to be irresponsible. Their notion that public exposure of past and continuing crimes will be enough to stop them remains a hope, but an unproven hope. So “oversight hearings” remain the words of the day. But what more do we need to learn to understand the essence of what is happening?
The conclusion staring the country in the face is that each of these examples of knowing and willful lying to the American people on the most serious of matters – taking a country to war, putting and keeping Americans and others in harms way — is not merely a betrayal of trust. They constitute a disregard for our principles of democratic government, a disdain for the Constitution.
When a President and his closest advisers cause tens/hundreds of thousands of casualties through repeated and systematic lying, and continue to lie as they plan to do more of the same, these actions are high crimes and misdemeanors, if those terms have any meaning at all. The country is waiting (h/t Atrios) for the nation's elite to acknowledge that there is a remedy for “our long national nightmare,” and get on with what must be done.



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my guess is the neocons decided to escalate when papa Bush’s folks started their work…
some thoughts are fragments of thoughts like… I’ll do as I please
And yes, they’ve lied all along…
just now getting into Packers’ book Assassins’ Gate, and he shows the neocons thought processes, Strauss and company feeling deception is a normal and necessary part of “politics”
omg….that picture is too funny!
ok, back to lurking, and now on to read the post.
Peolosi!
The AUMF is a Congressional resolution, passed by a simple majority vote. It can be rescinded the same way.
‘morning, Scarecrow…
I think you hit the nail on the head…
Only two weeks to Fitzmas!
Woooyee!
We need to push the Democratic leadership in the House to start impeachment proceedings. The House Democrats have the majority to impeach. The Senate won’t go along, but it would send a powerful message. After all, some Republicans who are up for reelection in 2008, are very wary of being associated with Bush.
can I get a FITZ!
Mornin’, firedogs!
Just passing through on my way to Monday morning staff meeting. Whoo-hoo!
FITZ!
Good morning everyone.
LHP — looking forward to the Fitz/Plame primers.
Picture fairies: thanks again for the picture choice. Haven’t seen a “gunny sack”
escalationrace in years. Will anyone own up?T-rex, don’t you ever sleep?
Scarecrow @ 10
Thanks. Where do the picture faries come up with these neat ideas?
BTW very nice post. You can tell those of us who don’t have o do this as a daily grind and who don’t have to come up with 3 or 4 a day, the posts are so much longer!
I am so glad Christy is taking the time to look after herself and recharge the batteries.
You know, I didn’t really have that “advent” kind of feeling in the run up to Christmas this year (maybe b/c I did not get my decorations up until the last minute).
I have that little kid tingly excited feeling now though. I am literally counting the days to Fitzmas.
looseheadprop @
11
Oh, yeah. These Monday meetings are a bit off my normal beaten path of waking hours, but I’ll probably just come back home and sleep another hour or so afterwards.
By the way, excellent post, Scarecrow!
one thing that occurs to me is with all the talk of escalation, now we are forced to stop that, as opposed to trying to get the troops who are there home now.
clever.
Bush knows nothing else but to lie. They have been using advertising gimicks to run a nation. And lying about what they are doing. Actually this is a magic act. Quick, everyone, look at my right hand, while the left hand is stealing our credibility, our treasury, and our finest young people. I curse them. And will until — forever.
OT – Thanks for the encouraging comments at the end of last thread about my losing the weight. This is the first time I have ever lost weight from sheer will power — and having a dream of riding again. Not to mention living longer. And I had better get some clothes before Chicago, right? A 61 year old au-natural woman is not going to help the conference. And second-hand shops might just be the place for me to check out. Thanks for the tip.
The Bush cabal wants to keep the war going until they can hand it off to the next president. They will continue to claim that victory is still achievable as long as soldiers are still fighting. Then, after they are out of office, they can blame the loss of Iraq on the ________________ administration.
I’m not sure lying to the public constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors. I’ll leave that to the constitutional scholars.
I was disappointed with Nancy Pelosi’s interview with Schieffer because just saying “we’ll continue to support the troops already there” doesn’t make any sense. Either you use your constitutional authority to pressure the C-in-chief to draw down the troop levels (with the power of the purse) or you don’t. It sounded like she was fudging. The Dems are (so far) letting the media promote the idea that cutting off the funding somehow hurts the troops. How? Cutting off the money gets the troops out of the war zone.
BTW very nice post. You can tell those of us who don’t have o do this as a daily grind and who don’t have to come up with 3 or 4 a day, the posts are so much longer!
Yeah, Jane keeps reminding me to make them short, quoting Mark Twain. I know this post is way too long, cause it pulls together three or four stories that could have been separate.
Scarcrow, Craig Crawford from Cong Quarterly had a very simple, yet seemingly flawlessliy logical idea. Congress authorized use of force with the AUMF. They can pass a reverse AUMF an deauthorize the use of force. Presumably that would have date to get the troops out by. Then it is shrub’s job to spend whatever he needs to to get them out safely.
TRex — thanks for stopping by. Do I owe you for the gunny sack race?
Riding will be wonderful!!!Just had a 60 yo friend conquer fear of heights via riding
quote for today
“Either we have hope within us or we don’t, it is a dimension of the soul, and it’s not essentially dependent on some particular observation of the world or estimate of the situation… Hope in this deep and powerful sense, is not the same as joy that things are going well or willingness to invest in enterprises that are obviously headed for early success, but rather, an ability to work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed… Hope is definitely not the same thing as optimism. It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense no matter how it turns out.” – Vclav Havel
Cute story warning – re my weight loss. I took my grandkids to Dairy Queen in Dec. And my grandson (5yrs) said ‘Grandma, you can fit in the booth now.’ Yup. There are benefits to losing weight.
GrandmaJ, congratulations!
This would be a great time to raid the after Christmas sales for some lovely figure-hugging new items. Goodness gracious, a hundred pounds! That’s a LOT of weight to lose. When can we see some ‘after’ photos?
Scarecrow, I think we could be looking at some deep politics here, in concert with some good-old-fashioned sociopathy.
The escalation/surge chatter is designed to change the subject away from whatever else is brewing. Rove in particular knows that the war does not have the support of a majority; why would he damage Brand Republican with what looks like suicidal behavior…unless there is something else going on that needs to be heavily masked.
Something’s going on with Iran, as many of us have speculated. But what is it? It’s opaque, with many things happening around the periphery and nothing happening in plain sight. Is whatever is happening very deep, or is it obscured by redirection, or is it both?
There’s rustlings in North Korea, and from here it looks as if NOBODY in the Bush Administration is paying any attention at all. Could even explain why there are rustlings — is Kim Jong Il also noticing that he’s getting no attention and is therefore preparing for another attention-demanding test?
What is it they don’t want us looking at too closely, enough that they would press for a Constitution crisis on so many fronts at the same time? That signing statement on the Postal Bill was yet another violation of the Constitution; it didn’t merely express the Executive’s difference of perception of the Bill’s intent, but it actually created law, in contravention to the Constitution.
What the f*ck is going on, is Bush BEGGING us to remove him from office?
I do have to wonder what Arbusto and the Rangers looked like before Baker and the family stepped in; did they look like this?
Scarecrow @ 17
Well, I liked it. Sometimes you need a good long chewy read. And mine are no example of brevity either
also re second hand shops- I like to go to Ithaca NY because its a big college town and lots of kids just abandon clothes….
Ooops, My 18 above was only supposed to quote on little paragraph about the Pelosi interview. If a mod wants to edit it down, that would help declutter the thread.
“The election was not a signal that their policy had failed, any more than it was a mandate to withdraw; to this Administration, it was a release from further political constraints. And a plan that could not even be hinted at before is now about to be implemented.”
this is the heart of the bushco mentality — they have no use for democracy or will of the electorate or ANY possible check on their power. and they are contemptuous of those who feel there is any such obligation.
the only check that might exist is as republican senators and representatives peel away from the white house, on the war, on iran, on a host of domestic issues. but EVEN THEN, these authoritarians in the white house will not be restrained. unfortunately, we have to endure two more years of their continued looting and sacking of the constitution.
remember “the usual suspects”? these guys worship at the pathology of keyser soze.
“What the cops never figured out, and what I know now, was that these men would never break, never lie down, never bend over for anybody. Anybody.”
“And then he showed these men of will what will really is.”
GrandmaJ @ 20
Good for you. I’m still working off Christmas eve dinner at Chez RevDeb. Great cook.
Scarecrow @ 19
Well, darkblack by way of me. The Lurking Mod emailed me last night and asked if I could find something. I saw the picture of this Sad Sack Race and thought it was perfect.
Oh nuts. I’m in mod. What a way to start Monday morning. ;-)
looseheadprop @
26
I fixed it.
Rayne, you’re out of mod. Refresh from the top.
Mornin’, Miz Rayne. Interesting insights you offered to last night’s post.
Ah, the Russians.
The President also needs to explain to the American people on whose advice he is doing this.
I think that congress and the press need to DEMAND this info
I’d be curious to see which people will be profitting by this escalation.
George Orwell mmust be spinning in his proverbial grave. All that genius work on “1984″ warning future generations about the dangers of facist propaganda, but instead, Karl Rove makes it into the republican playbook of the new century.
looseheadprop @ 19
In all likelihood Bush would ignore it. Everyone is already ignoring the 1973 War Powers Act. The only constitutional leverage the Dems have over this war is to de-fund it with specific denials of appropriations. They don’t have the balls to do it right away, but they’ll get there eventually. If they don’t, they’ll have to answer for it in the ‘08 campaign. And we all know politics is supreme in matters of war and peace.
Thanks for the refresh, Scarecrow.
TRex — you know, I left out one teeny-tiny detail at the very end of my running-to-bed comment last night, in regards to Iran.
You do know what lovely CIA NOC was covering the country with the 2nd largest natural gas reserves along with its neighbors, yes?
All the threads tie together in a big lacy web.
morning all!
the current threatening escalation reminds me a bit of the sacking of faluja after the 2004 elections.
i’d go even further than you, scarecrow, or digby. i think elections are something the authoritarians use to judge the people…. as in when people don’t vote the way they are supposed to, then the people deserved to be punished (see palestinian elections of hamas).
diane @ 33
Good questions, but I think we know. There were all sitting at the AEI meeting at which McCain and Lieberman spoke. Retired General Jack Keane and Mr. Kagan were there. The escalation part is their plan, and they have been promoting it for months. Still, it would be helpful to nail their picturs to the escalation, so that everyone knows.
all right, everyone – have a lovely day…
TRex @ 33
‘Bout what time did Rayne drop some wisdom on us?
with all due respect Scarecrow, Horsefeathers ! the length, depth, and breadth of your post are necessary for the ideas and concepts conveyed – I learned about ‘dogwhistles, wingnut welfare, and Dems on Image’ from equally meaty postings – this saves me frustrating weeks of learning curve – goin’ back for another read !
Wisdom is flattering but way overbroad, T.
See my comment (71) at 09:29 pm in previous thread.
well, here’s the solution, and it’s so simple and so doable it’s mind boggling.
congress passes a law;
no profit from anything associated with Iraq, the industry provides at cost or is federalized to do it at cost.
bing
war over
no kidding
The far right definitely has its own distorted view of reality. These bible-thumping, gay-hating, Jesus freaks are deeply disturbed.
oh, forgot to say
scarecrow, that was a piece I could not stop reading.
well done
Had been combing through all things Plame over the last few days, what with emptywheel’s book coming out within days.
Happened across some Italian bits, in relation to the Niger uranium documents’ dubious origin.
Seems the theft of the Nigerienne letterhead and stamps occurred during the first week of December 2000 — less than a month after the election, while the results were still in the air, a little more than a month before DeadEye Dick called first Energy Task Force meeting.
I think the bigger question, when asking when did Bush decide to escalate, is when did DeadEye decide we were going to war and that we would never leave.
For all the decidering he does, Dubya isn’t the deciderer; he’s only the meat puppet mouthing the words, “I am the deciderer.”
T-Rex – after weight loss pictures will have to be taken in Chicago. And hope is what is fueling me.
Every advertisement for pizza, or watching someone eat a sweet roll, brings up “what do I want more, riding a horse again or a moment of blissful calorie ignoring”. so far the riding has won. But going into Cub Foods and knowing those yummy carmel croissants are sitting in the back (next to the fruit woundn’t you know) is a test.
Enough about me. But thanks for the great comments.
As for Bush, Biden might not be too far off. Bush does not want to end this war on his watch, and will not. Everything else is advertising gimmicks.
PoliticalCritic @ 45
I’ve determined the only way to slap them in the face is to send their arguments back at them.
things like;
“what you are saying is anti christ and that makes you an anti christ”
things like;
“what that does is CREATE terrorism and HARM national security”
I WILL NOT let them take the religous or patriotic high ground, and nobody should
Hey – OT, but does anyone know what the rest of the WSJ says in its latest smear of Patrick Fitzgerald?
From the WSJ this morning:
OT — FYI, a diarist at DKos informed this weekend that they’ve launched a blog to track daily House activities.
Note that the blogger has a blogroll with both blue/red links; check it out, but be your usually intelligent yet skeptical FirePup self.
perris @ 43
perris, great idea. really. (whether the dems would wish to rile their campaign contributors that much remains to be seen, though.)
it’ll take more than one act of defiance to force change. i’m reminded of the moratoriums of 1969, when people refused to work for a day, and instead protested the war. it became clear that de-escalation had to acclerate to mollify the nation, even the great silent majority.
a day of work stoppage in protest; one a month until the troops come home. it’s not as undoable as it might seem.
oh, off topic;
if you live in pennsilvania, try not to leave the house, cheney is going hunting today in your state
this means they are releasing some tamed anumals to come up to him, smile, and say “plesa take me out of my misery”
however, as we know, the vp is likely to miss that target
JoyB @ 49
The editorial folks at WSJ never miss a chance to undermine Fitz, do they?
Scarecrow @ 53
ANybody got a link or do I have go wrestle soon to be ex Mr. Prop for the dead tree copy he is trying to read in peace?
Sorry for the zigurat
Looks like the New Way Forward is a repackaging of old ideas. Remember “benchmarks”?
NYT: Plan Sets Series of goals for Iraq leaders.
I remember back in ‘99 when I first read dear Molly likening Jr. to a “post turtle”. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Ever try to turn a turtle around in the middle of the road and get it to go t’other way? In my experience, it can’t be done.
This is what we get for allowing reptiles into the oval.
So what if it’s stuck under the couch.
Impeach!
Congress should tie continued funding for the war/surge to required military service by members of the Bush family.
Scarecrow @ 57
yep, here’s the first bit:
goals for Iraqi government? wish president bush be setting some goals for himself…
o/t -
Guy from OpenSecrets on C-Span1 re. their new data base on records of lobbying ties
Hey, that “removal from power” sounds like a good thing!
who the f* wrote this ?!?!?
there used to be a practice in Field Dog training where if the dog screwed up, they were made to wear the ill gottern rotting carcass of a gamebird around their necks . . .
unless it was Bobo, whomever should at least write about their complicity, unwitting or otherwise . . .
Wonderful piece, scarecrow.
I agree with Rayne – the reasons for Bush’s behavior are part ideological and part sociopathic (or some other serious pathology). I also agree that the plans for a “surge” were in the works as soon as the Baker led “Iraq Study Group” started their work.
It’s already probably been commented on, but the NYT published a great Frank Rich piece yesterday. He thought that most of the people speaking about Ford’s presidency during the never ending funeral were really commenting (negatively) about the Bush presidency. A lot of the comments were about the nobility of Ford putting an end to the disaster in Vietnam – doing what was right for the country.
Blind ideology – refusal to change according to the dynamics of changing reality – combined with severe pathology is a truly terrifying combination. Congress has an obligation to do what it can to stop the madness.
[No wonder it was so important to Cheney, Bush et al to keep Lieberman in power. He’s still their go-to man and the media obediently still calls him a Democrat - not bothering to remind people that he lost the Dem nomination in CT and had to run as the, then, sole member of the CFL party.] blechhhh.
wrt bush’s plan for the iraqis, (Scarecrow @ 57)
my bold.
looseheadprop (54) — nuts, I can’t find anything outside the WSJ firewall yet, sorry.
Were that you were a neighbor, I’d wrestle Mr.Ex-to-be for the paper for you.
I see that the so-called “RealClearPolitics” winger site already has a b*tchy little post in response to the WSJ’s op-ed. They are calling for declassification and publication of the CIA’s referral to the DoJ, insinuating that the referral is a false statement and the real crime.
Classic redirection from the rest of the tag team; they must have been the first to act on today’s talking points.
‘Morning, dab from CT: Yeah, Lieberman seems perfectly suited to be the willing fool. Wonder if there have been any recent polls on his JAR in Ct?
selise @ 38
Or to put it another way, you go to war with the people you have, not the people you’d like to have. Time for the President to find a new People.
dab from CT @ 64
howdy dab from CT!
this is bush’s plan for “bipartisanship”.
the people voted to decrease the number of troops in iraq, bush proposes an escalation. ….. and so we stay the course.
(i really have no idea why bush does the things he does)
[wave to Waccamaw, if you’re still there]
I didn’t get your e-mail of Saturday. I just sent you one this morning, I think it went through.
These darn “intertoobz”!
Knut Wicksell @ 68
time for the people to find a new president.
Started my day with a bit of a rant on the word “electability”…
Short version–we need to stop using that word. It’s bad news.
lina @ 17
The answer is for the Dems to put together an explicit exit package/bill inclusive of withdrawal timing, contingencies and funding. The most deadly word that the Dems (and others) have fallen into is the word “precipitous”. Precipitous is what bush did when he invaded Iraq. A plan to exit with funding to do so, is NOT precipitous.
The arguments that the right/bush put up are easily dismissed if the Dems would simply THINK and not be suckered into the stupidity of the right-wing argument frames.
I’m not sure how delusional bush is. He’s been fed the line that he must “win” this “war” so many times by the MSM and advisors that he’s no doubt come to believe it. But this Iraq war is clearly over – as it is now being played out. I think he’s playing two hands – push the Dems to own the mess – cut the funds and Dems can be spun into blame for “losing” what is already clearingly lost. The American people have demonstrated that they can be spun if it means saving national “face” with a scapegoat. The 2nd hand is to expand the war introducing Iran into the mess. Times a running out for bush on this score – but there’s a lot of hints that that’s the real end-game…and bush really has no fear of fire. Chilling! Subtlty does not work with such a man. Hence, a fully funded exit plan, coupled with a campaign to the American people, and no funding to continue occupation seems to be the clear frontal attack required.
The Dems cannot be subtle when playing with the likes of “hammer and nail” executive characters like bush.
The impetus for impeachment can come from investigations, but I don’t see Dems pushing for it – that will have to come through other quarters…and it’s just as likely to happen as not.
selise @ 64
Those are some of the same benchmarks that everyone said for months/years that the government needed to make — but still haven’t. Recall that al-Maliki agreed to do these things months ago, when the US public debate was about timelines vs benchmarks. But his latest move has been to launch attacks on militias and go door-to-door to clear them out — but so far, only in Sunni neighborhoods. Bet he’s getting lots of cooperation from the Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army.
Scarecrow @ 57
Yes and it was written by Gordon, the old NYT Iraq war supporter chronie of Judith Miller. On the news show yesterday (which?), Gordon said the troops on the ground in Iraq were in favor of a surge (NOT!!!).
Art @ 72
Wesley Clark says you shouldn’t be specific about exit plans because you should use withdrawal of troops as a negotiating tool. Unfortunately the term “negotiation” does not exist in Bush world, so probably some form of specific draw down plan will be required of the Congress.
Also, what is to say that this new Iraq plan with specific results-oriented stipulations in place will get any more thought from Bush than the laws Congress writes. He will add a signing document to anything they say on the war, says he can go ahead and do anything he wants.
NYT: Plan Sets Series of goals for Iraq leaders.
Ah ! well a-day ! what evil looks
Had I from old and young !
Instead of the cross, the Albatross
About my neck was hung
sweet jesus Arthur, knock it the f* off ! there’s a youtube out there of a revenge killing that clearly, plainly shows just what the hell is going on and who’s in charge you half wit –
well at least we know to whom he lent My Pet Goat – good gawd
CNN – NYC – ‘pervasive gas odor emanating from mid-town to battery park -reports of similar odor in NJ’
Is Lieberman in the New York City area today? Or is Biden flossing again?
Apparently Biden is officially running (as if there was any doubt).
twolf1 @
79
Actually, that could be very dangerous.
Scarecrow @
81
They said that the air tests said there was no danger… of course they said that after 9/11 too.
CNN – as expected, Bush WILL nominate Zalmay Khalilzad as U.N. Ambassador
twolf1 @ 79
twolf – ahhhhh, snark……..”It’s a good thing.” *g*
Scarecrow @ 74
scarecrow, i’m not disagreeing that this hasn’t been a “benchmark” for ages… but, wasn’t distribution of oil revenue addressed in the constitution? which was passed? i thought it was federal control of current oil production with new development under some kind of provincial control. maybe i’m remember incorrectly?
the nyt article you cite says the “benchmark” is:
doesn’t this proposed law (which i agree makes sense) violate the iraqi constitution? course i may be misrembering reports of the iraqi constitution… but if i’ve got it right, i don’t see how the shia or the kurds would be willing to go along with such a change… just seems like a mind blowing impossibility – in other words “a pony”.
just like expecting al-Maliki to go hunting shia militias. since it is the shia supporting him… he’d be out on his ass (or worse) in a second.
it’s not just that the new “benchmarks” are the old “benchmarks”… its that they are IMPOSSIBLE for al-Maliki to do.
twolf1 @ 82
The odor covers such a huge area that it suggests a massive gas leak somewhere, and they just haven’t found it. That’s the danger point, not the smell or air quality. In fact, the odor is added to natural gas (which is otherwise oderless) to make it easier to detect leaks.
twolf1 @ 83
I dont know much about the man (although he’s obviously a Bush toadie), but there is something fascinating about nominating a muslim to this post considering the right’s hatred of the brown and the Heathen (ie non fundie).
Should get some kicks watching head’s explode today.
twolf1 @ 82
But……”the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring the situation closely.” ;-(
The is when they ‘decidered’ to escalate the war:
Selise –I don’t know the legal specifics. I recall that the Constitution was passed with the assurance that issues important to the Sunnis would be addressed soon, either with amendments or legislation, and they weren’t. One of these was the question of regional autonomy and with it, the allocation of oil revenues. A couple months back, the government announced they were near an accord on the oil revenues, and then nothing happened, like so many other near agreements.
Scarecrow @ 86
Yes, Jersey City Mayor’s office saying gas leak at Bleecker & 4th St. NYC
.
fer gawd’s sake – Combat-Priapic Ollie North is against it – sheer journalistic buffoonery
Waccamaw @ 88
FEMA has scheduled it’s investigation of the situation to begin January 19th at 3:00 PM.
twolf1 @ 93
But we won’t play “the blame game”.
cbl @ 92
Gordon listened to the same Colonels that Lieberman listened to, the ones Jane keeps asking Lieberman to name. I think it was Powell who said something like, “Colonels always want more troops; that’s why we have Generals.”
Are the escalation planners cynical or delusional? An executive summary of the plans unveiled before Lieberman and McCain at the AEI seem to point to delusion:
Via Glenn
Glenn also provides a nifty new definition:
Couple of typos in this very Spotlight-worthy article:
Six paragraphs from the end – should be: to get past (not passed) the elections.
Two paragraphs down from that – should be “constrained” not “constained”.
Charges against Saddam for Kurdish atrocities have been dropped:
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..0V480.html
Mmm, weren’t those OUR chemical weapons, btw? This is just a bit too obvious.
CNN – Chimpy’s ’surge’ speech scheduled for 9PM (eastern) Wednesday
your new UN Ambassador -
“… is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the January 26, 1998, PNAC Letter sent to President William Jefferson Clinton.”
http://www.newamericancentury……letter.htm
twolf1 @ 93
My, I’m really impressed with the improvement in their response time.
Fern @
97
Thanks, Fern. Appreciate it. They’re fixed. Refresh.
cbl @ 100
Oh Christ. this I did not know. Out with one PNAC, in with another.
Does Bill Kristol have Chimpy’s head in a drawer or something?
urban pirate @ 87
Oh, God, is Rush going to have to carry Bush’s water again?? How much more can the poor man bear?
{hand me mah smellin’ salts, Viney dear!}
cbl @ 100
THIS IS EXCELLANT FOR US!!!
we can NOW get the SICK members of that RETARDED fraternity that calls themselves the “pnac” front and cetner in main stream media
EXCELLANT
we need to get C&L on this asap
cbl @
100
I think that quote is very relevant to today’s situation. If he still believes that, this guy seems like he’s on top of things.
Stop the war (occupation) funds now, ole Bush can’t follow that with a Signing Statement, or can he? Now , that the administration is once again trying to shove an oil deal down the Iraq puppet government, I wonder how liberated the Iraq people feel? Why isn’t Kucinich taken more seriously?
mandrake @ 104
Snark comment of the morning! Maybe we can get Rep. Goode to hold the Koran for his swearing in!
CNN -
“More than an hour after reporting the smell, it’s a little unnerving we still don’t know the source of the leak.” ……”We need to get some stories straight here.”
Gee, ya think?
perris @ 105
this needs to go something like so;
“here we have a group of maniacle members of some fraternity, no military insight what so ever, proposing a bizarre and depraved strategy, one that opposes the very constitution of the united states of America, they somehow get their moronic plan executed by getting other members of their sick fraterninty elected.
they fail from every single point of view, their flawed vision is demonstrated not only depraved, but just plain moronic.
and we have a president that has the nerve nominating another member of this sick fraternity”
obviously that needs work, but that’s the general idea of how we need to address this nomination.
THAT will get people reading on the pnac, the members of that sick fraternity, and THAT will help us demonstrate how depraved and sick the people are who chose attacking Iraq when they knew the country posed no threat, and was an enemy of our enemy
We effectively already have a dictatorship in the US by way of Bushite’s “signing statements”.
Notice that no one in elite legal eagle circles seems to be hammering away at this issue?
Until the “signing statements” sham is addressed by Congress thru a confrontation with Bush Baby, he will simply ignore Any laws they pass. Period.
Wake up folks, we have a completely “lawless” executive branch. We have had one for several years.
The judicial branch needs to pull it’s finger out of it’s black robed ass sometime soon.
Libby’s trial, regardless of the results, can and will be ignored by Bushite and Co.
His answer to all challenges to his ‘absolute authority‘ will be to dare the other two branches of government to ‘make him stop’.
“You and who’s Army” is what he and Big Dick and the cabal of NeoCon Wack jobs will throw back in your face.
twolf1 @ 83
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad
perris @ 53
I think you meant to say tamed anumals handed to him on a silver platter by outriders.
He’ll probably shoot one of the outriders this time, but hopeful soul that I am, here’s wishing Lynne tags along on this one.
;-)
perris and others,
sorry to go all cynical, BUT
the ‘newspaper of record’ is still printing tripe like Gordon’s referenced above and
the UN Amb. nominee will be vetted by the same group that passed
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 – Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.
Scarecrow @ 90
i guess i don’t believe the reports of “near agreement” – at least of anything that would be acceptable to a popular vote.
even with the assurances you described, the sunnis only agreed to participate in the constitution vote…. they still rejected the constitution (but were out voted). at the moment i just don’t see how we can expect the shia or the kurds to want to “share” what they think is their oil with the sunni… and i don’t see how any shia backed leader would be able to attempt to force (push through w/o a vote) such a thing without expecting a coup very soon thereafter.
sounds to me like trying to create more justification for blaming failure on the iraqis. set impossible goals, and then condemn them for not doing what we told them to.
I worked a spell at a natural gas booster station doing some repairs and installation of some new compressors (waves at OFG). First day on the job we were all freaking because the “gas smell” was so strong.
A company man pooh poohed our concerns and led us around the back to a fifty five gallon drum, full of the odorant. It had a tiny leak.
The reptile brain was saying, “run! run!”, while the rational brain was saying, “paycheck!”.
My rational part won, that time.
CNN – Bloomberg presser about NYC being stinky
-small gas leak reported that couldn’t account for the size of the stinked up area.
-possible leak of the chemical that is added to natural gas to make it small bad
CNN – Bloomberg presser about NYC being stinky
-PATH trains still not running
-no pressure drop in gas system reported by Con-ed
-all evacuations have been lifted
urban pirate @ 87
More about Kalilzad from Wikipedia:
perris @
53
Please do not underestimate this man just because you don’t like him. I think he’s a liar and a thief, but after having said all that, he is an accomplished hunter and very familiar with which end of the gun is the business end. Ok, so he likes to have some volunteer(?) hold down the victim while he shoots it. Maybe that’s where Wittington was. Accident – Right.
All I’m saying is don’t let your contempt for the man blind you to his insidious and very able evil moves.
Scarecrow @ 102
scarecrow: Great post. Since we’re doing typos:
I think you mean flouting…
The type of person who still listens to Malkin, or Limbaugh for that matter, will never be reached or convinced by anything said here. I just have to wonder why so much time and energy is wasted jabbering on about her and her ilk as it only empowers her.
The fringe right will always listen to her brand of hate, but I suggest that in the future we take away her only other audience: Us.
Shorter Bloomberg……….”We don’t know nothin’ “………….
Waccamaw @ 123
even shorter – “who farted?” heh heh heh
-GWB
twolf1 @ 124
Ever since this broke, all I can think of is Denny Hastert.
Kentucky Woman @ 125
A Hastert Jabba the Hutt hybrid…. which isn’t that much of a stretch.
…oh, wait, it gets better
Hi selise! Hope all is well.
Gentleman Jim – I totally agree with your assessment:
I think this, in part, is what scares the bejesus out of the many Republicans who voted Dems into office this year. (It goes without saying that Dems have been terrified by this for years.) And why there were so many pointed comments commending Ford and his adherence to the Constitution during his never ending funeral.
I do hope Lahey, Conyers, Waxman and others will zero in on this issue very quickly.
Biodun at 121: — thanks. Fixed. Refresh
In this debate on the chaos in Iraq, force levels, etc., we risk falling into the same trap that has plagued us over the last few years. We should always remember that Iraq is part of a bigger agenda, a crusade. Bush and his fellow travelers want to make over the middle east, somewhat in the manner of postwar Europe. This necessitates a multi-decade commitment of forces, permanent bases, etc., to fight a long cold war against “Islamofascism,” i.e., indigenous movements that they view as similar to Soviet communism. One focus of this is Iran, because it is the epitome of a home-grown movement that is attempting to determine it’s own future without western input. But it is also directed at cowing the Saudis and other regimes in the middle east. Bush and crew want a permanent American presence in the middle east, with thousands of American troops staying in the region for decades to come. Look at the 30-year oil contracts — that’s the giveaway. It’s not the oil per se, it’s the notion that contracts could be enforced for such a long period of time, that western interests can be secured for 30 years to justify investments in exploration and infrastructure.
The problem that the neocons have had from the inception of this plan is getting the American public to sign on to this gradiose and misguided plan. Many of the folks talking about “not enough troops” conveniently fail to mention that, if Bush had called for 400-500K troops for Iraq before the war, the venture likely would have never gotten off the ground. There wouldn’t have been much political support for that level of force and expense, e.g., the public would have looked a lot harder at the justifications for the war and the cost/benefit relationships. Moreover, we simply did not have that force structure and it would have taken years to build it, thus making it impossible to get the project going during the window of the Bush presidency while the memories of 9/11 were still vivid.
What Bush and the neocons have opted for instead is a bootstrapping incrementalism. The Iraq invasion was to get the ball rolling and create momentum for the larger project. The “failure” in Iraq doesn’t necessarily hurt the project, and may actually be played to serve this bootstrapping agenda. The neocons’ hope is that the public will eventually reluctantly jump on the bandwagon when it became a “necessity” to enlarge the scope of the war, playing on the vulnerability to the commitment fallacy. Bush gets his surge and hands it off to McCain to continue the imperial project.
That is where we are right now and why we are in particular peril. It is no secret that the Army and Marines are overextended, and the “surge” just serves to emphasize this. Instead of backing off, however, almost everyone (Republican and Democrat) is calling for expansion of the Army and Marines. This is dangerous because, if he has the additional troops, Bush (and subsequently, McCain) will use them, creating a fait accompli of escalation.
Perhaps it may be tactically smarter for critics of the war to back off on the use of the “failure” rhetoric, quit talking about the futility of the surge, etc., because that type of discourse plays into the neocon agenda. The point is that, irrespective of whether the invasion was a good idea, there is nothing left for America to do in Iraq. In terms of how it was originally sold, the invasion has “succeeded”, i.e., we have verified the absence of weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein is gone, the Iraqis have an elected government. Yes, it was a colossal clusterfuck, but that goes without saying. It was a stupid idea to begin with, because Saddam didn’t attack us, there was little evidence of weapons of mass destruction before the invasion, and why would we give a shit about Iraqi elections? But, in tactical terms, it may be better to give them what they say they want; let’s say “We Won (a la Rich Lowry). It’s time to go home.” They will never admit they were wrong, and it’s dangerous to try to convince them otherwise. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Kentucky Woman @ 125
Jabba thrilled with Nancy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbWw5Eudgg
Kentucky Woman @ 125
SNORT!
cupholder @ 122
sure some people may not be reached… but some have been. no need to give up on them all. the hate filled fringe may always be with us – but it can be smaller or larger. i’m for working for smaller.
“The Democratic leadership is still wondering what they can possibly do to induce this President to respect the rule of law and the will of the electorate. They must know a letter won’t do it, even though it may be a necessary step. Cutting off funds for troops still in harms way is understandably deemed to be irresponsible. Their notion that public exposure of past and continuing crimes will be enough to stop them remains a hope, but an unproven hope. So “oversight hearings” remain the words of the day. But what more do we need to learn to understand the essence of what is happening?”
As Jason Raimundo notes below, cutting off funds for troops is a non-issue, as they are already funded.
“We are told that cutting off the funding for the war means not “supporting the troops,” but this is another bipartisan lie: the money for ongoing military operations in 2007 is already in the pipeline: HR5631 [.pdf], the Defense Department appropriations bill authorizing spending on Iraq and Afghanistan for this year, passed overwhelmingly, 394-22, with the full support of the Democratic leadership. So what is Nancy nattering on about?
The idea that, if Congress cuts the funding, the GIs will soon run out of bullets and body armor is complete BS. That’s what they want you to believe so they can sit on their hands while the casualties pile up and the war spreads beyond the boundaries of Iraq. “
AntiWar.Com’s Jason Raimundo. . .
karnak12 @ 120
We don’t, dear. But sometimes it’s better to laugh than cry. ;)
From today’s Salon, George W. Bush in 2005 opposed sending more troops to Iraq:
How long is a “surge”? Well, it might be 4 to 6 Friedman Units:
NYT: War Could Last Years, Commander Says
Biodun @
119
Unbelievable. Even now shrub reaffirms his support for the PNAC world conquest model. It must be wonderful to live in a fact-free world. Unfortunately, I think the answer to Scarecrow’s (rhetorical question) is clear.. the only way to end this unreality is to remove shrub and Cheney from office… hopefully the investigations yield enough smoking guns to give us the 16 Republican senators needed to do the trick (or possibly 15, considering one can be reasonably certain that Lott will be happy to stick the knife in, just because… actually, never mind 16, since we know which way Joe’s gonna vote)
Blub
“We need an increase in troops there now,” he asserted before an audience of military experts and academics. “It must be substantial, and it must be sustained.” – St Joe 1/8/06
Rumi, the key to middle east oil has not just been the resources in the ground in the Gulf States, it has been the treasure trove of oil around the Caspian and figuring out how to get it to market, cheaply and securely.
Iran has alway been the Dream Solution.
To bad the Iranians haven’t wanted to play ball since the Shah got the boot!
rumi (127) — ah. There’s the piece I was looking for!! Bravo to you!!
That neatly puts a bowtie on my theory that the mess we are watching is an asymmetrical war with Russia for control of energy resources. Russia has been trying to tie up all natural gas, while the U.S. has been trying to tie up all oil. But both the oligarchs in Russia and the “oil-igarchs” here in the U.S. are well aware we are past peak oil, and the war is now about hydrocarbons.
This is exactly why Cheney called the Energy Task Force within days of taking office in 2001, including Kenny Lay in his ranks.
[CAVEAT: Tin-foil Speculation ahead] And this is why Yuschenko was poisoned, why Niazov suddenly drops dead, why the sabres are rattling over Iran, why Lay, Litvenenko and Plame are disposable.
And why oligarch Khodarovsky won’t see the light of day — because to Russia this is preeminently about its national security. And why Saddam had to die so suddenly — because he also was a perceived threat to the neo-cons’ perception of U.S. national security if he talked.
Good gravy. Why aren’t these idiots working on a joint program like the International Space Station to create alternative energy NOW?
Biodun @ 136
Yes, but that thinking is so pre-election, when we listened to the Generals. Post-election we tell the Generals what we want. As Bush always says, “The
elections9/11 changed everything.”p.s. to scarecrow – i should have mentioned earlier how much i really like this post of yours…. lays it out so clearly – without actually saying “the president must be impeached”… you let us say it for ourselves.
you write like a dream, and make a great tag-team with christy. many thanks.
Jabba thrilled with Nancy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvbWw5Eudgg
Hastert: F**k bipartisanship. And damn her for bein’ better lookin’ than me.
lina @ 76
The negotiation isn’t US/Iraq. Clark has talked about bringing Iraq neighbors into the plan – so discussions need to be had on that front and part of the exit.
Look we can call it whatever we want, but you cannot “negotiate” with the mindset that sees force as the primary tool for getting what he wants. This is a mind more akin to Saddam than say Clinton. The plan must be clear inclusive of the components – including funding – to make it successful and with contingencies. It needs to eliminate all other alternatives for the executive – take the “war” out of the bush’s hands entirely.
cbl @ 78
Not sure if this was addressed “sweet jesus Arthur” to me. So, if it was, I can only say my comments were not meant for your eyes, since you clearly don’t understand them. btw, What was that about your goat being a a family member?
Thanks for the post Scarecrow. I so want this cabal impeached– nothing is more important than restoring our Constitution and punishing those that have violated our laws and LIED to us and the world.
A tragedy for which we also bear responsibility:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afgh…..04,00.html
Khalilzad did such a fabulous job in Iraq and Afghanistan carrying out the failed policies of Dubya that Boosh will replace one neocon crazy (Bolton) with another. The only advantage is that he actually speaks another language besides English and sorta, kinda knows the region. There will be NO good solution or diplomacy undertaken until the cabal is gone and held accountable. This administration has not a shred of credibility left. NONE. Unfortunately, by extension, neither do we.
selise @ 142
I second that. Puts things into perspective quite convincingly.
Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency has a front page picture of George W. Bush and it is a really funny one.
The Chinese think you are a loser too.
-GSD
VIDEO FLASHBACK: Bush Says Sending More Troops To Iraq Would ‘Undermine Our Strategy’
Gentleman Jim @ 139
I was amazed to read about this several years ago and to learn how much of an impact those pipelines had on our average lives here. That power plant in Dabhol really tells the story of foreign policy in dollars and no sense.
…more on Kahlilzad (from April, 2003)
selise @ 133
You won’t reach them here. This place is overwhelmingly pre-initiated. My point is that she has two demographics, wingnuts and progressives. I’m suggesting we cut her audience in half.
But whatever. Some people need a boogyman I guess.
mandrake @ 143
Hastert: F**k bipartisanship. And damn her for bein’ better lookin’ than me.
If Denny’s going to start damning people for being better looking than him, John Merrick’s life just got worse….
Art 144: I don’t think the comment was directed at you. I read it as more a generic scream.
Who mentioned oil wars?
Belarus blocks oil from Russia destined for Europe.
-GSD
twolf1 at 8:18 am
Great catch.
Someone asked about Lieberman’s JARs.
Most recent Survey USA number is from November- when he pulled down a 52% rating- two points below average for all senators..and not a number that would lead one to think he had a risk of not being re-elected.
Yeah, he’s the Truthinator……
mandrake @ 143
Hastert: F**k bipartisanship. And damn her for bein’ better lookin’ than me.
Woops, credit to Costello for the link to Hastert’s limp, demoralized clapping. Still getting used to the comments thingie.
More from Salon’s War Room:
Hehe. I think that pic’s from the UN. He must not have liked what he heard.
Interestingly, a while back somebody (possibly IHT.. I can’t remember) published an international poll that found the Chinese actually are somewhat more favorable about shrub than most other foreigners (based on a average foreigner’s JAR of something around 16%)… his Chinese JAR was in the high 20s I think. Asked why, a Chinese national said that it’s because his countrymen like evident strength in their leaders. Leave it to the citizens of the planet’s last two empires….
GSD @
147
angie at 145. That’s an awful story. Why can’t we get a “surge” of humanitarian relief, instead of combat brigades.
Impeachment ain’t gonna happen- and cutting off war funds ain’t gonna happen- based at least on present information- for the simple reason that the votes aren’t there.
There is NO strategy that leads to either of these outcomes.
rwcole — I was aware of the November polls on Lieberman — he was running on “no one wants to end the war and bring our troops home more than I do” platform. But ever since, it’s been “no one wants to continue the war and send more troops than I do.” I’m just curious about what a new poll would say.
Watertiger has a new thread upstairs.
Thanks for the comments folks. I’m off to work.
About the stink in NYC: are they sure it wasn’t a skunk? That’s an odor with considerable power and travel capability, and the source can be hard to locate (especially if it left the area).
Blub @ 159
If that were the case, Bush’s Chinese JAR couldn’t break 5%. The man is WEAK, people! Weak, weak, weak!
EvilDrPuma @ 151
If Denny’s going to start damning people for being better looking than him, John Merrick’s life just got worse….
That ole butter-tub got a free pass for being a man while Nancy is being picked apart by the press from every article of clothing to every hair on her head. And that includes the so-called liberal female press! ugh. end of rant.
GSD @ 153
What if….the basis of Iran’s claims are essentially true in that they’re not as interested in pursuing weaponry but the threat of their nuclear power potential could ultimately hurt the interest’s oil/gas energy markets?
I agree on cutting off funds.. from a financial perspective, it’s unenforceable, if not impossible. But is impeachment really impossible if the investigations yield concrete and irrefutable evidence of criminal misconduct? .. say if shrub was found to have used his various national security powers to tap lawmakers’ phones, or if death-from-torture counts were found to be in the hundreds, or if the Fitz investigations take off again in interesting directions, etc etc.?
rwcole @
161
rwcole @ 161
As Pelosi told CBS on Sunday, the Dems will distinguish funding the troops at current level from funding the escalation. Some skeptics doubt they will be able to do that.
My question: Why not?
crow- Good question- should be something out this month. He has the courage of the just elected senator- six long years until he needs to run again.
I still think that he has a bizarre dream of the White House- (or Blair House). He got a taste in the 2000 campaign and it isn’t out of his system yet..
His war position is most likely to backfire badly- but there remains a shred of hope among the faithful that circumstances will lead to his position being vindicated.
GrandmaJ @ 48
GrandmaJ,
By unanimous vote you get the next pony.
Philosophical question.
If I encourage people to read my stuff, is that egregiousBlog whoring?
:)
cupholder @ 150
You comment is odd. You seem to be slinging mud at those who post here, while believing we are too obtuse to realize it. Is that wise?
Observing the tactics of the opposition is never foolish. Neither is alerting others to it.
Some people, however, might disagree.
GSD (153) — oh thank you for that. Looks like Belarus is making a point about Russia’s extortion on its natural gas contracts.
rumi (167) — Iran, as far as I can tell, is trying to create electricity with nuclear power because it needs hydrocarbons to generate currency. If you look at their economic condition and finances, you’ll see they could really use some other method of bringing in currency, and they have a population that is quite young. More than half the Iranian people were born after the Reagan administration and the hostage crisis, if memory serves.
But the American public won’t learn the truth — even whether what I am saying might be true — because the point of disengagement under neo-conservative policy is NOT to share information, to reject any information that could derail their objectives. I have seen several stories allegedly containing information directly from Ahmedinejad, but the press inside this country and the press outside this country are so very different that I can’t tell whether the information is accurate or a gross misrepresentation of what he is trying to say. The filters are deep and systemic, to keep us from getting to the truth, and the filters are not merely those in the U.S. but purchased by DoD funds overseas and from Russian resources as well.
And then there’s that bit about outing operatives that might be the best informed about that region of the world…
egregious @ 172
Not if you’re giving ponies away.
roachmotel says
January 8th, 2007 at 7:58 am* 132
Great post, I’m so on your wavelength about the “bootstrapping” strategy employed by the NeoConJobs to get the US intentionally ‘bogged down’ in the Middle East in order to insure we are ’stuck’ there for at least 30 years or so.
You know, until the US public “gets it” and catches up in their small time thinking.
It is a ’soft’ cold war with Russia. The public’s thinking on the Big Picture aspect of the Twilight of Ancient Sunlight as so inadequate to the circumstances.
Thanks for your post, I saved it.
One place to start is the Pentagon budget. There is plenty of room for axing there. one is the item for bribing re-enlistments. The 40/50/100 thousand dollar bonus for re-enlistments has ESCALATED to the point of Shock & AWE. Slasshing some of the fat in the Pentagon budget will not directly affect the troops (other than force the military that they have to play by the rules) and prevent the neo-con cry of being against the troops.
Biodun:
It doesn’t sound right to me. Wars shouldn’t be run by Congress- Congress gets to say “yes” or “no” to the war at the outset- and can pull the plug on the whole enterprise at any time- but the president is the Commander in Chief and is responsible for it’s “management”.
If Pelosi were allowed to earmark funds so that they were limited to only a certain number of troops- or a certain area- or for operations with only certain vehicles- or for certain KINDS of troops- etc. – it would infringe on the Constitutional Role of the President as Commander in Chief.
Of course we currently have an IDIOT as commander in chief- but we can’t re-interpret the constitution for that reason.
I suspect that this issue has come up in previous conflicts and has been dealt with judicially- but I’m no lawyer.
Is Mary around? Haven’t seen much of her lately.
Blub
Impeachment is certainly possible if further crimes are uncovered- or if the public mood sours even more on Iraq- but it’s not possible IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE.
The key is goopers- if you get a sizable sack of them advocating impeachment- it just became possible.
rwcole @ 178
My bold. Just wondering about this point. The CinC is responsible to Congress, I would assume, and that implies oversight? I’m pretty sure the Foundin’ Fathers weren’t about to fight England just to get themselves a new dictator, and they knew their Roman history well enough to have foreseen the Julius C move.
Way to bring it, Scarecrow!
Escalate the IMPEACHMENT!
Our ship is adrift and the captain and his enablers are deranged. All they can think about is counting the strawberries. We need to wrest the helm back from Queeg. What do you call a mutiny when it takes place on a storm-tossed ship of state? I think it starts with “i.”
There is a narrative ready if Congress manages to separate the budgets for existing troops and for an escalation and Bush bypasses it.
The Dems will just have to say that Bush is holding the troops hostage.
That should conjure some interesting images in people’s minds.
Ooh. Good one, Fifi. You need to bring that up to a more current and fresher thread.