You'll recall that just over a week ago we looked at how House districts get targeted– and how scarce resources are prioritized in one district instead of another. The Senate is somewhat, though not entirely, different. There are far fewer seats and, unlike the House, only a third of them come up each 2 years. (In the House, of course, all members have to face their constituents every two years.) Senate campaigns are usually– 9 times out of 10– much more expensive because they cover entire states, sometimes with several media markets, instead of just a relatively small piece of a state. Wyoming and Delaware are exceptions, of course, because each, having just one at-large representative, has the same exact voters for a congressional race as for a senatorial race.
There are 33 Senate seats up for election in 2008. As things now stand 12 are held by Democrats and 21 are held by Republicans. Obviously this offers the Democratic Party some great potential for expanding a very narrow margin that depends on the cooperation of one of Bush's closest Senate allies, Joe Lieberman, who has already made it abundantly clear that he considers himself more an independent than a Democrat.
Before looking over the opportunities, let's take a look at the Democratic seats. Are any vulnerable? Two Democrats in nominally "safe seats" are thought to be unenthusiastic about serving another 6 years in the Senate: Kerry and Biden. Each would rather be president. Will they run for office? If they do, will they simultaneously ask voters to re-elect them to the Senate (the way Holy Joe did when he ran for vice president in 2000)? If they don't run for president, will either retire? New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg has the lowest approval rating of any Democrat (39%) and no one with that low of an approval rating was re-elected in 2006. (Santorum, DeWine, Talent were defeated and each had even lower approval ratings but Chafee and Burns were also defeated and they both had higher approvals, Chafee's being 51%.)
Mary Landrieu is a special case. Her ratings are borderline (54% approve, 42% disapprove) but her problem is that so many voters from the Democratic base (African Americans) have been displaced by Hurricane Katrina that it is possible that Louisiana has slipped out of the realm of partisan contestability for statewide Democrats. Her conservative and pro-Corporate voting record– among Democratic senators only Max Baucus and Ben Nelson vote more frequently with Republicans– pleases many Louisiana voters and alienates others. Will Republicans vote for a classic Republican-lite over a real Republican? The Cook Report rates the seat "lean Democrat," which for means they are judging her in gigantic trouble. Even the seats Cook judges as "likely Democrat"– Pryor (AR), Harkin (IA), Baucus (MT) and Johnson (SD)– are very troublesome. In the case of Tim Johnson, of course, his health is the key factor. Baucus and Pryor are both hated by progressives, voting with Republicans on substantive matters almost as frequently as they vote with Democrats. There have been persistent rumors in both Arkansas and Montana that these two could face primary challenges.
According to Cook there are more Republican seats in danger than Democratic seats. They see 2 "lean Republican" seats– Wayne Allard (CO) and Norm Coleman (MN)– and 4 "likely Republican"– Susan Collins (ME), John Sununu (NH), Elizabeth Dole (NC) and Crazy James Inhofe (OK). Among the seats that Cook rates as "solid" for the Republicans are 3 held by potential retirees, Chuck Hagel (NE), Pete Domenici (NM) and John "The Torturer" Warner (VA). There has been some talk about Cochran (MS) retiring but he's squelched that already and declared he is running again. Cook rates Gordon Smith (OR) "solid" and that's insane and he rates Ted Stevens (AK) as "solid" despite the fact the longest-serving Republican in the Senate will be 2 weeks short of 85 years old on election day and despite the fact that it has become more and more difficult for him to hide his dementia from the public.
The Republicans up for re-election with the lowest approval ratings at the moment are Allard (44%), Sununu (47%), Texas whacko John Cornyn (45%), Coleman (48%), Inhofe (46%), Dole (52%) and Kansas' Pat Roberts (51%). Only one Republican survived the 2006 elections with an approval rating under 55%: Jon Kyle (AZ) who had a 46% approval and beat Jim Pederson with 53% of the vote.
Cornyn, Allard and Inhofe are the 3 most extremist far right kooks in the lot but that doesn't necessarily make them the most logical targets. Cornyn and Inhofe are, respectively, from Texas and Oklahoma, two very Republican states. Best known for loud claims that global warming is a "hoax," religionist fanatic Inhofe is an embarrassment for moderates and independents in Oklahoma. The wildly popular conservative Democratic governor there, Brad Henry, could beat him. Henry was just re-elected governor with a two-to-one victory over Inhofe's ideological twin from the House, another over-the-line neo-fascist, Ernest Istook (67%-33%).
For those who want to target an extremist though, Allard is the best bet. He isn't well liked or respected in Colorado–there have even been rumors that he will honor his pledge to retire after 2 terms– and his obsession with gays has made some wonder about his mental stability. The state has been trending more Democratic and Allard barely won a second term (51%). Kerry in 2004 significantly outperformed Gore in 2000 in the state and in November Bill Ritter pulverized Beauprez in the governor's race (with Beauprez' congressional seat going to Democrat Ed Perlmutter by a heavy margin). Mark Udall, a popular Democratic congressman has already tossed his hat into the ring and smart money says he'll be the next senator from Colorado.
New Hampshire is an interesting state for several reasons. Sununu barely beat Governor Jeanne Shaheen in 2002 and several high ranking Republican operatives are in prison now for tampering with that race. Many people feel Sununu was never actually elected and it is likely that Shaheen will run against him and beat him. The fact that both Republican House incumbents were decisively beaten by little-known grassroots Democrats, while John Lynch, the Democratic governor, won in a landslide (74%) and Democrats also took a majority in the state legislature, says that Sununu is very much on the endangered list.
And speaking of endangered Republicans, Norm Coleman is a special case for several reasons. For me personally he's a special case because I'm very aware of what a sleazy and unscrupulous idiot he is. (We were co-secretaries of our elementary school class at PS 197 in Brooklyn and I hope to help Al Franken or whomever the Democrats put up against this clown by revealing all the dirt from grade school.) Coleman was an accidental senator (unless you believe Paul Wellstone's airplane accident was planned by Rove, as many people do). It is likely that Amy Klobuchar's smackdown of Republican wingnut Mark Kennedy in the Senate race in November– she kept him well below the 40% threshold– is a harbinger of things to come for Coleman.
At this moment, these are the 3 seats Democrats are most likely to take. Obviously I'm not taking into account the presidential race, which will be in full swing nor what is going on with the economy, the war and other key factors voters will be looking at. But even without speculating about those factors, there are several other Republican seats which could be vulnerable.
Even if John Warner doesn't retire– he'll be 81 on election day– and Virginia has been trending blue. Warner, who has gotten more and more cranky lately, is unlikely to want to face the opprobrium of being reminded that he approved Bush's torture legislation. Wildly popular former Governor Mark Warner could beat him. (If Torturer Warner retires, the Republican primary will be one of the political events of the year, pitting Macacawitz against mainstream conservative Tom Davis, either of whom would probably lose to Mark Warner.)
You've probably noticed that both Gordon Smith and Susan Collins have come out hard against the BushMcCain Escalation Doctrine, Smith even referring to Bush's conduct of the war as "criminal." Both are popular Republicans– Collins far more so– in Democratic states. Their situations are something like what did in Chafee. When Collins first ran in 1996 she promised to stick to two terms so if she runs again (which is likely) she runs as a liar, something Congressman Tom Allen, the Democrat who will take her on, will certainly point out. Her approval rating, 73%, is inexplicably high.
Beyond that we're in the wishful thinking range. Elizabeth Dole could be vulnerable– she's not all that popular; she embarrassed the state by being the worst head of the NRSC in history; and no one really believes she's from North Carolina. There are some rumors she could resign. Maybe ex-Governor Jim Hunt could be persuaded to take her on. New Mexico is a Democratic state but Pete Domenici is very popular, inexplicably so. He's also pretty old and could retire. If he runs he's likely to win again. The rest of the Republicans are probably safe– unless some of the guys who are rumored to have been having sex with Lindsey Graham have pictures.



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BRB Howie.
Going to tell everyone about the new post. Then I’ll read it.
OT:
Berube has posted his official farewell, so it might be a good time for those who’re familiar with his work to go show him some love at http://www.michaelberube.com/
Howie — woo-hoo!!
Kucinich!
Publically financed elections!
Platform shoes!
(not necessarily in that order)
LMAO
Waxman!
my heavens. Given just one wish, it would be hard to choose between Inhofe and Cornyn as the man I’d most like to see go down.
Cornyn.
“The rest of the Republicans are probably safe– unless some of the guys who are rumored to have been having sex with Lindsey Graham have pictures.”
Oh, please, oh please . . .
Obviously there’s a lot of effort needed, and work to be done between now and 2008. I’m up to it.
OT..but..Looks as if Cheney is setting up for the Iran war..they are planning to cook the Iran intel just like Iraq.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Int….._0108.html
mandrake @ 10
Well, if Bush and the Repugs screw up Iraq even worse… the sky’s the limit.
I live in Minneapolis, in MN–05, the bluest district in the state that recently elected Keith Ellison. Al Franken has moved back to Minnesota to run against Coleman.
Of course most of us would like Coleman out, who as you said, is an opportunistic sleazeball turncoat. And yes, with his politics, I can’t believe he’s Jewish from Brooklyn. (I lived in Park Slope for many years and grew up in New York.)
My question is: How really viable is Franken as a potential candidate?
Judd Gregg, (R- NH) has a place in Florida right nest to my parents’ place. Haven’t met him – haven’t even seen him – but I did discover that it’s pretty easy to piss inside the fence.
So far, the only Senators supporting escalation, besides Lieberman and McCain, are John Kyle, Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, Wayne Allard, and Lindsay Graham. Allard is probably a goner but knocking out Graham and Cornyn would be… miraculous!
Thanks, Howie! Would be nice if we had a site that laid out all this in a table format — sorted by state, by term expiration, by pro/con and barriers.
I think in some of the red states we might consider doing some groundwork this year, seeding the media with advertising or stories regarding the failures that are currently holding office (Cornyn, Allard and Inhofe).
Cornyn has an as-yet unrealized liability with the Abramoff scandal (it’s just v-e-r-y slow).
Allard has rather interesting donations from PAC’s that should be followed more closely ($15,000 from the Republican Party of Indiana? WTF?)
Inhofe: f*cking fruitcake — just need to saturate his constituents with facts, along with concerns about theocracy over civil freedoms.
Norm Coleman. Blecch. Funniest moment was when he brought that British MP in to answer charges of collusion with Saddam in the oil-for-food scandal, only to be summarily ground into the public dust by the feisty Parliamentarian. Ha!
Mr. Klein – oh please, can’t you share some of your Coleman’s stories? I live in Minnesota and I just can’t stand the man and the fact that he is sitting in Paul Wellstone’s seat just plain enrages me.
He came to Minnesota, St. Paul to be exact (where I lived then) to start his political career. He was a dem then, but when his masters called, he turned republican and his true colors shone — slime colored.
Biodun @ 14
Biodun @ 14..small factoid..Schumer, Sanders and Coleman all went to the same high school in Brooklyn..WTF happened to Coleman?
Is Lindsay Graham, ahem…er, gayish?
Hi Biodun – I live in MN 6th — yes the one with Bachmann the wingnutter. I would love to know the election figures for Amy Klobochar in the 6th to see if we are making any progress.
People are remaining active after our DFA experience. Hope we can improve on our record.
Here’s the Republicans seated on the Senate Armed Services Committee:
Just an example of how important it is we address these folks Howie cites in this post.
Many lives are literally in the balance here.
Steve @ 21
I went there too– James Madison High. The Colemans were a weird family… real social climbers. I seem to remember them switching religions to advance socially. It seemed so odd to me.
Glorfindel @ 22
rumors– he’s kind of swishy but I don’t know if he ever does it with males. The rumors have been around for years.
It is way too early to assess who will be vulnerable. The war is going to loom larger and larger. Republican Senators are going to be under enormous pressure from both sides. If the Democrats can get some up or down votes on the war, then they’re really going to be in some trouble.
There’s a reason Tom Allen is running this time. He sense vulnerability. IIRC, Chafee was at 64% approval at the time of the election. Voters know what they are voting for at this point, and support for Bush’s war is a millstone around these senators’ necks.
As for whether Al Franken is a good candidate — IMHO he is great on the issues but I had trouble with his radio show. In the middle of a serous interview, he would start telling weird stories. Hope he can drop some of the comedian hype. Otherwise he is great and can wind up a crowd pretty good. The republicans are going to go after him big time.
And what was with Al having his best friend, the Rush devotee, on all the time and giving ground to him. Ugh. But I certainly will vote for him.
Rayne @ 24
Don’t forget Susan Collins and Saxby Chamberpot; both are up for election in ‘08.
I will support no member of my political party (Demos) that continues to support keeping our troops in Iraq or who support so-called ’surges’. It’s ideas that count with me, not party labels. If someone in the Democrat party is doing non-democratic things, I will call them out on it, and push back. The Democrat Party does not own us Democrats. We own them.
Howie (26) — I don’t really care about the swishy part or rumors.
I want Sessions and Graham BOTH out because they have abused the Southern Huckleberry stereotype so egregiously.
(Hi, egregious! thinking of you)
Glorfindel @ 22
He’s my senator and that is the rumor here in SC. Kinda like the Strom Thurmond thing, I think. It’s known, but nobody talks about it. Perhaps he is either asexual or veeery discreet.
Wow what a woman can learn from reading blogs. Swishing is a new word for me. I will write it down. Now for a definitive definition…
Howie (29) — agh, my bad.
Of the two of them, Chambliss is the one that deserves our fullest attention. He was what I believe was the test case for throwing elections with his completely unexpected win over Cleland.
Needs. To. Go.
Collins could be persuaded to caucus with moderates, so I’ll hold fire.
Rayne @ 31
You cannot discount the impact of an outed gay Republican Senator here in the bowels of SC. By any means necessary, I say.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
So far no Democrats are backing “surge” except, by some reports, Ben Nelson (NE). The only Senators on record who have declared support for escalation are McCain and Lieberman, of course, plus Jon Kyle, Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, Wayne Allard, and Lindsay Graham.
mandrake (34) — because of the danger of blowback, I would only go that direction if a substantive majority of gay Democratic Party members felt they should pursue that route.
Rayne @ 33
My contempt for Saxby Chambliss knows no bounds and exceeds my contempt for Joe Lieberman. That’s how bad it is.
A couple of Dems have said they are waiting to see what Bush has to say (John Tester, Mary Landreiu, and Ken Salazar). Tester will oppose and the 2 others are completely untrustworthy. If Landreiu supports Bush, I think we should let her lose her re-election bid.
Howie Klein @ 20
Frankly, we don’t quite know how to take him as a serious politician. We all know his views and his career as a comedian. But we don’t quite know what to make of him, since he’s not a seasoned politician. And Coleman can play it quite dirty. I think things depend on who’s in Franken’s campaign war machine.
And yes, Minnesota as a whole is turning blue again after its recent flirtation with red. The state is rediscovering its glorious blue history with the Democratic-Farmer-Labor coalition (DFL). Mark Kennedy didn’t stand a chance. Amy Klobuchar is more in the Wellstone tradition.
Many of us will do everything we can to get Coleman out, no doubt of that. We just need a candidate we really believe can win. Franken might (or might not) fill that billing.
I can see Elizabeth Dole retiring. If you look at her record, she never stays more than a couple of years in any one job, then moves on to the next, in pursuit of something bigger. She always leaves before the job is done, and has always been a figurehead, and never the brains or leader. Hence, the disaster of her NRSC leadership.
Howie Klein @
20
I think he looks great too. There is some question as to whether he isn’t more useful to the progressive movement as a talkshow host for Air America and should he just stay doing that.
I would have to say, personally, that I do not think Al’s particular brand of erudition and comedic delivery really lends itself to radio. He is very good; but I think he would be a better Senator.
And, ultimately, Coleman is such a schmuck! The only people who thought he was worth a darn are the old, fat money cats in St. Paul (Nagley and Spirling…etc.); those are the guys who had him flip to Repub from Dem in the first place and the real blue collar types in good old St. Paul weren’t terribly impressed after they got their new hockey arena (local crap).
Also, the rest of the state is rather non-plussed by the fact that Normy doesn’t know the local geography any better than an east coast transplant (hey…wait a minute); he keeps thinking the Mall of America is in Redwing and he has no idea where the Iron Range is (a major no-no for hockey fans).
Normy is a putz, schmuck and the like. It’s going to take a nice Jewish boy to let the rest of the world in on that and that Senate seat rightly belongs to a little Jewish wrestler with a good sense of humor (Paul Wellstone!), so it’s about time we right that major wrong!
I’ve heard and repeated here that Tom Allen may well seek to unseat Susan Collins. If so, he would be a strong candidate to do to Collins what Whitehouse did to Chaffe.
RE Frankin’s electability;
Two words.
Jesse Ventura.
ok, here’s what we need to do;
take a few seats that look like they’re up for grabs.
approach and tell them we need someone to compensate for joe, if they vote democratic whenever it counts, the way joe voted republican whenever it counted, we won’t invest in a competitive election, they can both save their war chest when election comes and we might find some contributers to add to it.
I want these republicans that don’t want to give bush any more room in Iraq to make themselves known load and clear and I think they’re gonna be happy to do it if they are given some kind of guarantee that position will insure they keep their seat
there are a few republicans that are pretty unhappy with what’s happened to their party, we should approach them, give them some kind of leadership seat for some votes
why wait for 08?…I am pretty sure there will be some republicans that are looking for any reason at they can find to throw bush under the bus, let’s find those guys
LET’S MAKE SOME DEALS
I do NOT want to wait for 08, we have a lot to accomplish and we can start doing it immediately if we deal
Calling all male prostitutes!!! We would just love to get the slimy goods on Senator Lindsssay Graham/swishman.
Pectopah @ 40
sounds like someone else we know.
Rayne @ 36..It’s not the gay, it’s the hypocrisy. But in the end you are correct; for “straights” to advance that issue would be counter productive.
Mainiacs (can we still call them that?) are a puzzle, with their love affair with their lady Senators, but I’m really hoping Legacy Sununu will go down hard in 2008, due to Graniters’ embarassment at having their GOP operatives behind bars due their election illegalities.
Betcha John Warner won’t run, making for a spectacular pickup opportunity in Virginia. Bowing out (in shame, as Howie points out, due to Torture and Warmongering) but late — to avoid anyone but the Senator’s anointed GOP successor the nod — John Warner’s retirement will give Mark Warner a chance to make Virginia true-blue: both Senators and successive governors. We’d better root for Macacawitz, though, since Tom Davis’ Fairfax base could erode NoVa support for any Democratic opponent.
An early resolution of the Presidential nomination might put Richardson on track to defeat Domenici, and Clark to do the same to Pryor. Without Presidential aspirations, Biden and Kerry might keep their Senate seats, although I read somewhere that there’s a Legacy Biden in the wings.
Are there Texas Democrats to beat Cornyn? Mollie? Hightower?
Your excellent overview, Howie, highlights the stark fact that while our odds are much better for 2008 Senate races than this past November, it comes down to individual Senators and their ability to pull the wool over voters’ eyes. We need to be vigilant, and we need more macaca moments!
…oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW
Pectopah @ 41
And she had hip surgery recently. I think she may bail too
GrandmaJ @ 32
http://www.urbandictionary.com…..erm=swishy
btw…I am a proud gay man and approve the snark.
Bustednuckles @ 43
Only one of them was a wrestler; Jesse just pretended.
I’ve met Al. I shook his hand, I looked into his eyes and asked him if he was going to run. He said, honestly, that he hadn’t made up his mind yet. That was last Spring at the kickoff of the local Democratic party’s fund drive at the Golden Valley CC. Al was there with his book, The Truth (with jokes), and he signed it for me. So did his wife, Frannie.
I would be proud to have Al Franken represent me. I wouldn’t say that about Jesse Ventura.
Rayne @ 33
I’m not convinced Collins will ever caucus with the moderates. Everytime I have heard her she is a red meat Republican, and way off base. Some mainers like her because she seems down to earth (a bit like R.I. Chaffee), but where Chaffee was engaging, she grates. By the way, before becoming Senator she ran for Governor and lost.
johnSwifty @ 41
One thing for sure. The debates will be a LOT of fun.
Rayne @ 36
I guess if his stance on gay marriage were different, I’d consider the cautious route you have suggested. However:
http://lgraham.senate.gov/inde…..;id=256459
Thus, were he outed, we’d have another blazing hypocritical Republican with many questions to answer. So I cannot imagine blowback from the gay community on this.
No doubt, you can be gay and still oppose gay marriage. That’s the prerogative of the everyday folk. But Graham is a legislator who should be held to a higher hypocrisy litmus test, especially when it involves the beloved wedge issue of the South.
Hi, Howie! Go, Blue America!
FWIW, Louisiana Girl posted a link to her list of “House 2008: the vulnerable 30 percent” last night.
What do you guys think?
Biodun @ 50
a.k.a. “light in his loafers”?
Below the radar, but of concern to me is the threat that Arnold Schwarzenegger poses to Senator Boxer’s seat. Arnold, after a brief stay in the doldrums, remains quite popular (inexplicably) here in California and a senate challenge would be a logical next step for him if he wants to remain in politics.
RevDeb @ 54
Not for Normy! But, yeah, I have to admit that’s most of my anticipation over the prospect.
Howie,
The guy who was supposed to meet me behind a dumpster at Safeway with the pictures of Ted Stevens and Lindsay Graham in bed together failed to show up. What should I do now?
And a caution to Norm Coleman: Never underestimate the selfish things you did to other people in fifth grade….
ok – I’ve changed my mind. Inhofe leaves me scratching my head , Cornyn makes me furious, but Jeff Sesions makes my skin crawl.
Wiki says he was re-elected in 2002 – so he’s fair game right?
How does the choice of presidential candidate on either side affect the outcome of the Senate races? I think we can be reasonably sure that neither Kerry nor Biden will get the nomination, so they should stay in the Senate. But how would an Edwards or a Clinton affect the fate of the democratic Senate candidates?
Thanks Biodun. My education just keeps on expanding in all different directions. :)
Bustednuckles @ 43
Yes, but Ventura turned out to be a joke in the long run. He was so derogated by sensible Minnesotans that he decided not to run for a second term.
What is the political cost/benefit ratio for Dem Senate primary races? I am specifically thinking of Mark Pryor; he sold out the Constitution for political ambition.
johnSwifty and GrandmaJ:
I know you’re both in Bachmann-Land. If you’re ever in Minneapolis, let’s all meet up. Like to see FDLers face-time. Should be fun!
How many Democrats, aside from Murtha, have called for a pullout from Iraq. Additionally, how many Dems have said no money for an Iran attack or for unprovoked foreign ‘adventures’?
Jacqrat @ 57
Last night I suggested some turn-coat Democrats we might consider primarying: Solomon Ortiz (TX), David Scott (GA) and Mike Doyle (PA)– all BLUE, BLUE districts with Democrats who vote with Republicans.
Rushton @ 58
hmmmm. I never considered that. Arnie doesn’t strike me as senatorial material (too much of a lone wolf?), but he’ll need some outlet for his political ambitions, and preznit doesn’t cut it unless they change the constitution.
Rushton @ 59
The Senate is Arnold’s goal (you know Maria would rather commute LA-DC than LA-Sac!!) but I wonder if his health is up to it. Very limited and scripted appearances at his Inaugural bash last week, after a break high on his femur while skiing, plus his motorcycle accident without a helmet. The real world, without stuntmen, seems to collide with Arnold too regularly. The adoring California press goes along with these “oops” moments and their scripted aftermaths. I gotta wonder what toll the early enhancements are taking — he had a heart thing prior to becoming Gov, as well.
Plus, with Bruce Willis and Harrison Ford reprising their action roles, Hollywood may beckon most invitingly for the Terminator. If Arnold doesn’t run for Barbara Boxer’s seat (he’ll still be Governor in 2010 when her seat is up) I’d expect a SoCal wingnut war for the GOP nomination: Issa, Hunter, Bilbray, Bono.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
Not many legislators have announced whether they oppose or support Bush’s and McCain’s escalation doctrine so far. Weighing in on the oppose side, we’ve had Republican Senators Chuck Hagel (”It’s Alice in Wonderland”), Arlen Specter, Norm Coleman, Gordon Smith (who referred to Bush’s policy as “criminal”), and Susan Collins; Democratic Senators Harry Reid, Amy Klobuchar, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Carl Levin, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Jay Rockefeller, Barbara Boxer; Republican House member Heather Wilson; and Democratic House members Barney Frank, Ike Skelton, Nancy Pelosi, Ellen Tauscher (normally a complete Bush kiss-ass), and John Murtha.
punaise @ 70
He didn’t strike me as governor material either ( or succesful actor material…, I could go on…)
Also, if Arnold’s still up for elective politics in 2010, I can’t see the GOP letting him relinguish the Governor’s chair just to run against Boxer. He’ll be allowed another go at the Statehouse, since 2006 was his “first” full term election, I think….
Arnold’s too far left for a lot of the GOoPers in CA (remember that the more conservative types were the ones who pushed that f’ing recall) and I think most of the Dems won’t forget that he’s a Republican.
Actually the question is for me not about ‘escalation’, it’s about a ‘pullout’.
I still say you guys are looking to wait too long, we need to get things happening immediately, we can’t wait for 08
if we want to make things happen we’re gonna have to get some of the republicans voting with us.
this is not as difficult as it sounds guys, they are not unified like they were before these past electins, they won’t move to the crack of rove’s whip, they’ve had it with these neo cons and they want an excuse to punnish the morons that took power from them
more important, THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR SEATS and we can have something close to a democrat if we play the cards the way they need to be played
if they want to keep their seats and we can come tell a few we can stomach that we wouldn’t compete in 08 if they give us a few important votes, we need to do that
ya, we can get some seats in 08, but that’sthinking small, I say we can get some seats right now
Biodun at 67 – I would love to meet up. And remember in August, I am taking the train to Chicago on 8-01. Picking it up in St. Paul. :)
johnSwifty @ 51
I was merely pointing out that nothing is impossible.Nothing personal.
*g*
Biodun @
67
Thankfully, I’m not in Bachmann-Land proper. She just dropped down to my district (Plymouth/Wayzata/Minnetonka) to campaign with the fat cats. I’m stuck with Jim Ramstad which, in a way, is worse because you expect Bachmann to be insane and Ramstad gives the impression that he’s reasonable — in reality, he’s almost a worse tool because he isn’t controlled by a heavily religious bias towards the neo-con agenda; he just goes for the money.
I’m in Minneapolis on business several days a week. I tried an excellent Sushi joint last week called Nami (?) on First Avenue. You know it?
TeddySanFran @ 73
I wondered about that. Don’t you think he’ll be bored by then?
And I don’t see any Dems speaking to the possibility, or some might argue, probability of an attack on Persia.
Bustednuckles @ 79
Dude, no worries. I voted for Jesse and I need to eat much shit for that (grinnin’ back atcha! ;-}
Speaking of the impact of Presidential candidates on our Senate races in 2008, I wonder whether an Edwards candidacy would be of any use to a Graham challenger in South Carolina. It’s Edwards’ native state, although I recall he made little impact there or in NC in the 2004 general. But he is building a huge organization on the ground for the SC primary, hoping to make that his nomination “wrap.”
Such an organization, if successful in putting Edwards over the top for the top of the ticket, might be useful in the Senate race in the fall. At the very least, it might keep Huck at home, spending whatever money he raised on his own race rather than cruising around helping others.
Live boys: that would be a bonus.
Howie Klein @ 71
feeling the primary heat already?
Jesse Ventura did not run against because he was mad at the press for pointing out that he let in 20 year old son live in the Governor’s mansion all by himself – except for his party buddies and all the servants. Several valuable antique pieces were busted up in a drunken party.
Jesse Lived in Maple Grove on his ranch where his wife runs a horse farm. How can anyone who loves horses, love that man? Nevermind… one of life’s inponderables.
punaise @ 81
arnold can definateley be tapped to vote with the democrats
Howie Klein @
72
Howie,
The Iraqi escalation is one issue.
But both Oklahoma kiddo and I are increasingly concerned about growing evidence of a looming pre-emptive strike against Iran. He, I and others at fdl are alarmed that 1) no member of the Dem congressional leadership has yet to speak publicly against a pre-emptive Iranian strike, and 2) most of the high volume left blogosphere seems to prefer to avoid making this a major issue at a time when concerted pushback might save us from getting involved in a very bad thing.
We intend to keep bringing this issue up every day here until action is taken by the Dem leadership re a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Maybe every thread….
Instead of Arnold for Senate, I hope Gary Miller runs. He’s the top Republican in CA in many ways: http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..emist.html
So many typos in 86 … please read what I ‘meant’ to write. okay…
GrandmaJ @ 90
No worries GrandmaJ, it’s this global warming in MN; gets us northerners all outta whack!
OfT, but does this smell pervading NYC seem like a “test” of something more sinister?
TeddySanFran @ 92
hmmm
october surprise might be comming a little late?
TeddySanFran @ 92
In a word, “yes.”
You know Ed*ard,
that is a nagging concern for me also.
I wouldn’t put it past Clusterfuck to jam a stick in a hornets nest just for kicks.
He knows, whatever he does is going to fade away as soon as he is out of office.I want every damn thing he has done or is even THINKING about doing to stick to him like shit on a blanket.
FOREVER.
Badwater @ 89
Oh, yes; I love Miller. He’s the posterchild for all California Republicans– in some ways better than even Jerry Lewis, Duncan Hunter and Duke Cunningham. Let’s hope the CA GOP decides it’s Miller-Time. I’m sure Boxer prays for something like that!
Ed*ard Teller @ 87..That seems to be the reason for removing Negroponte as DNI. McConnell will cook the NIE for a pre-emptive strike against Iran. Cheney is moving the pieces for another war.
An important digression: http://www.time.com/time/natio…..66,00.html
Steve @ 97
congress will not allow it, of this I am sure, an imeachment would definately happen if he tried
perris @ 92
or a little early. Remember what Pat Robertson said?
TeddySanFran @ 91
Any chemists / physicists / engineers out there that can give input on how much of a gaseous agent would be necessary to create the type of cloud that covered NYC this morning, and what type and how large of a contaner it would have to be stored in prior to release?
RevDeb @ 100
wow, nice catch
you know he has private conversation with the president
me thinks this kind of more scary now
John Swifty at 91 – thanks. Would love to get together. I am a non-smoker, non-drinker, non-partying type gal, but I do LOVE to get out to dinner at new restaurants. Don’t know about sushi though…
I worked downtown Minneapolis for over 30 years. For 15 years worked in the Opus Building on 4th and Marquette (if I remember rightly) for a large lawfirm.
Howie Klein @ 96
Actually, Miller actually seems to like to be a back bencher. No one notices him so he can continue his spectacularly corrupt ways without impediment. He’s so corrupt that I am continually suprised how he evades media attention.
Another important digression (via ThinkProgress):
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..ehouse.htm
Steve @ 97
I have long feared that a young man who used to while away the hours blowing up frogs with firecrackers might find it well-nigh irresistable to leave the presidency without firing off a nuke or two. Killing has proved to be such an endearing hobby for the Crawford Caligula.
Fred Fielding wikipedia.
Interestingly, he was John Dean’s deputy in Nixon’s White House as well as St. Ronnie’s counsel from 1981-1986, his tenure ending the same year Iran/Contra was revealed. Another bad penny….
ET @ 87– you can add me to the list of concerned persons wrt a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Despite the Israeli government’s protestations to the contrary, I will trust in the Times reporting. It sounds eerily familiar and and highly probable…
johnSwifty @ 80
Yep. It’s in the Warehouse District. Thursdays and Fridays are best for me, anytime after noon. My email: biginla at yahoo dot com.
Steve @ 97
It is no coincidence what The Cabal is doing. I called my Senator HarkinD-Iowa and was assured they were on top of it. B%$lsh&t. I too am very concerned given the AEI influence and the pattern we learned in Iraq. I feel like I am yelling FIRE and no one is listening. What can we firepups do?
Here we go again…
Officials believe White House chose new Intelligence chief in effort to darken Iran Intelligence Estimate, broaden domestic surveillance
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Monday January 8, 2007
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Nominee’s company audited
SWIFT banking spy program
The nomination of retired Vice Admiral John Michael “Mike” McConnell to be Director of National Intelligence is part of an effort by the Vice President to tighten the Administration’s grip on domestic intelligence and grease the wheels for a more aggressive stance towards Iran, current and former intelligence officials believe.
snip
According to officials close to both men, two issues surround Negroponte’s departure and McConnell’s nomination: a forthcoming National Intelligence Estimate on Iran – which the White House could use to buttress a case for military force – and pressure from the Vice President to augment domestic surveillance.
snip
“McConnell’s not an effective manager,” said former CIA officer Larry Johnson. “He will be likely to acquiesce to White House pressure on issues.”
Johnson called McConnell “Rummyesque.”
emphasis mine ,’cause I like Larry Johnsons way of thinking.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0108.html
Best known for loud claims that global warming is a “hoax,” religionist fanatic Inhofe is an embarrassment for moderates and independents in Oklahoma. The wildly popular conservative Democratic governor there, Brad Henry, could beat him.
Howie, this is spot-on. Henry is surely the only Dem that would stand a chance in the senate race. I just hope he can be convinced to run in 2008. He does seem ambitious enough, at least that’s my take.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 97
I was expecting to see PNAC but got the 9ll Commision instead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_F._Fielding
TeddySanFran @ 106
It would be interesting to get Dean to weigh in on this one.
RevDeb @ 12:21 pm and Kentucky Woman @ 12:22 pm -
I read this excerpt from today’s post on Wayne Madsen’s Web site today and am wondering whether any readers and/or commenters in the New York City metropolitan area and contiguous areas can provide more information about the Hudson Submarine Canyon:
Jim Clausen @
110
I get the same feeling about screaming into an empty hall. “What can we firepups do?” Rather than continue to hijack Howie’s excellent thread, we might pick the next on-topic thread and hijack it. I was hoping Howie would give some feedback on this after his reply to OKk, but I don’t want to piss off somebody I respect so highly. Besides, he’s still pissed at Norm Coleman from the 5th grade….
Thanks, Bustedknuckles, Steve, perris, angie, Jim Clausen, Rushton and Oklahoma kiddo!
angie @
108
Oh, but Howie Kurtz Media Critic Extraordinaire, shows us the Pajamas Media debunking of The Sunday Times story this morning:
That Iranian nuclear facilities were once before a smoking ruin seems not to faze her debunking, does it? I feel so much safer now that The Sunday Times has been debunked by PM.
GrandmaJ @ 103
See my @ 109 to johnSwifty. Dinner would be great too. We can all arrange something in the next two weeks maybe. Just give word.
Ed*ard Teller @ 88
I completely agree. And there is sizable evidence suggesting that this is being planned.
perris @ 98..If it happens it will a build up with propaganda campaign..threat..be afraid..followed by a Persian Gulf incident..followed by air-strikes. Congress can’t stop it, if Bush/ Cheney want to do it. The Generals/Admirals could stop it but it would amount to a coup. NO good options. Time is running out for the neo-con, AEI, etc. Moving the players is the beginning of the push to war with Iran.
Ed*ard Teller @ 116
We should stop hijacking Howie’s thread…yes. It is an important issue…YES! Norm Coleman could probably have that affect on anyone and that doesn’t necessarily mean Howie holds a grudge…DEFINITELY!
Biodun @ 118
You guys can get me at hemiii1 at netscape dot net!
Steve @ 120
they’re gonna need some kind of event that wouldn’t be suspect by both congress and the American public
I don’t believe the could coordinate anything that Americans wouldn’t suspect…nobody trusts either of these two anymore
I don’t know why anyone defers or gives any intellectual credit to cheney, he’s a moron, a military moron, he’s a practical moron, he has no self control and he is a dweeb
anything that happens we will suspect and I am positive the democrats would initiate the impeachment proceedings if they tried to mount a new military campaign without approval from congress
I believe the tide has turned steve, everything and anything these idiots do is going under the microscope
Biodun @ 118
matchmaker at teh firedog lake
johnSwifty @ 121
Hijacking threads is a bad habit of mine. I resolve to do it less from here on out. The Republicans just give us so VERY much to talk about, don’t they? Apologies for my inadvertant rudeness.
Steve @ 120
IIRC, they started this stuff last spring and then it kinda died down – maybe they realized that it wasn’t believable after all the Iraq lies and it wouldn’t wash with the voters in November. I just can’t see this working again (as it did for Iraq). But maybe I’m giving the media/public too much credit…
Glorfindel @ 22
If by gayish you mean a flaming queen, the answer would be yes.
johnSwifty @ 122: You got it.
MayDaze @ 126
they did try it and they saw it wasn’t working, we’re on to them and I believe they know it
Kentucky Woman @ 101
Think of skunks. One or two might be enough, given the power of their stink. (Range of a mile or more, and at the right place upwind, as much as ten, I’ve heard.)
I would really like congress to start talking about the pnac, they have a chance to bring it up now that there are pnac nominations in process
nominating a member of the pnac is a huge tactical error from these morons and we can really get the public some information becuase of it
Having waged a statewide House campaign against Don Young, would our fdl/egr favorite Diane Benson run against Toobz-meister Stevens in Alaska (the overlooked single-district exception in Howie’s post, in addition to Wyoming and Delaware)?
Hi-jack, schmei-jacked! I’ve been working on my next piece while we were talking all this time! I just put it up at Down With Tyranny and it’s totally inspired by the stuff we’ve been saying here!
Froomkin’s up!
From Froomkin:
Rushton @ 125
I don’t consider this a hijacking. These are all vital issues. Maybe it is OT, but not really, because as I argued in an earlier thread, part of this press for surge troops, may be framed around the need for troops for a new venture in Iran. The two fields of battle are clearly linked together in the minds of the neo-cons.
People where I live are in a very bad mood. Housing foreclosures are way up, jobs are down, healthcare’s unaffordable, kids are going to Iraq and coming back in coffins, and they want change NOW.
2 years from now, if there aren’t some big big changes, they’ll bounce whoever’s in office out…and there goes our Blue Ohio.
TeddySanFran @ 135
see this?
susan can be tapped to vote with the democrats, this idiot in office is ignoring the republicans and I am certain they want to give it back to him
we really need to get some votes now, we have to make lieberman a non issue
did you know the contempt I hold for lieberman is hard to describe?
Margot @ 137
foreclosures are up all over
we have to rescind the anti bankruptcy legislation in it’s entirety
there is no reason on the planet we rescinded bankruptcy protection for the lower and middle class and it’s time that protection were returned before too much damage is done
RevDeb @ 43
I would be so chomping at the bit to unseat Susan Collins (and not *just* because she’s HoJoe’s buddy). She seems so do-able (as Chaffee was). I’m sick of the so-called moderates like Chaffee. They’re spoilers. They screw us when a vote matters. And what’s worse they disguise themselves as “reasonable” as HoJoe tried to do before his mask was ripped off. In a way they are more destructive than the out-and-out freaks.
Is there anyway we can focus regionally? I personally feel more confident speaking about the Northeastern/New England than I do other parts. It seems potentially more constructive than looking nationwide. Just a suggestion.
Mary Landrieu-A primary perhaps to save her seat, but not for her?
imho, getting a Senator to change parties, officially, must be about the most difficult thing there is, for the Senator. This is a person who’s come up through their state’s party process, elected to successively higher and higher offices by, to a certain degree, demonizing some part of the opposition party. They are adversaries and, in some cases, perhaps even enemies. Crossing over at the apex of elected office, the Senate, would be like going to rehab: everything changes. Suddenly, you’d be a pariah in your former party, and an untrusted newcomer in the new (blocking the ambitions of those who hoped to oppose you in the future, as well). So, I’m saying that while we might have success getting Collins et al. on board against a SURGE or a war on Iran, I’m not sure the energy expended to get her to change parties would be worth it — Lieberman could just jump, too, leaving us right where we are today.
My $.02 on the value of party-switching Senators.
TeddySanFran @ 132
It seems Stevens just needs to keep making racist cracks (that embarrasses even closet racists) and weird comments about “tubes” and his seat will be vulnerable.
Pajama Media Breaking News:
Reports that the Sadrist militia was present at the Saddam hanging is liberal propganda.
Pajamas media operatives have learned this stunning news after analysis by our crack squadron of warrior journalists.
A review of the tape indicates the executioners were chanting “Macaca, macaca”, not “Moqtada, Moqtada”.
Breaking hard……
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 135
This is news?
TeddySanFran @ 141
we just need their votes, a la the way they get liarman to vote with the republicans
they are more then willing to give it to bush, believe me, a little behind door dealing and we get some important guarantees where we need them
perris @ 138
As I said earlier, I wouldn’t trust Collins as far as I could throw her. She is a red meat Republican as evidenced in every speech and vote.
TeddySanFran @
132
I haven’t seen Diane since the time of the election. She spent a lot of time with her son afterward; sent me a kind note. I’m hoping to get together with her soon to work on lyrics I want her to write for some songs. I’ll ask her about that then.
Diane came into the race because no mainstream Democrat up here had her guts and moxie – they were going to let Young go unchallenged. She made a name for herself. But Diane is a true progressive, and true populism like hers here doesn’t have the legs faux populism, exemplified by Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, has.
Alaska’s Dems are more like Rahm Emanuel than like Jon Tester. They want Diane to go away and teach and write and perform. Mainstream Alaska Dems are akin to the DINO monsters Howie constantly assails at downwithtyrrany.blogspot.com. In Alaska, the main difference between a Dem and a GOPer, is that though they both want to pave the entire state as soon as possible, the Dem wants it done by union labor.
Ted Stevens in 2008? Who else but Tony Knowles!
Another OT,
Our man Russ Feingold goes postal on Shrub.
(Sorry punaise, I couldn’t help myself.)
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0108.html
Gordon Smith is beatable here in Oregon. The Oregonian, the States largest newspaper has been solid behind Smith forever, but now we have Air America and the true Gordon is coming out. He has 2 million in the bank for his race and that is a mighty hurdle. Two of the best candidates to defeat him have indicated they would not run (former Govenor John Kitzhaber and Congressman Peter DeFazio) but we have a few others such as Ben Westlund and Jim Hill that might make it a race. All of Smiths support is east Oregon. They are going to suffer from defunding of forest revenues replacement that Smith could not salvage.
I forgot to finish the last line of my comment:
Ted Stevens in 2008? Who else but Tony Knowles! Yuk.
Bustednuckles @ 147
I had to click through the link to “get it”…. :~)
Priority: Nailed
Richmond @ 146
Me neither. I find it hard to forgive or forget the Alito filibuster. The Chaffees and the Collins are untrustworthy.
Wow Howie. Thanks for the primer. You are too much.
Bustednuckles @ 148
well, a letter from our favorite senator surely deserves a posting here at the lake
I do believe the good senator is jockeying for articles of impeachment
correct me if I am wrong dear firedogs
mui @ 140
I don’t know, but I am warming up to Chairman Dean’s approach of contesting every seat. It vanquished Richard Pombo in my neck of the woods and I would never have predicted that he was vulnerable. The unspoken message to red-state voters in conceeding large swaths of the country is that we don’t care enough to fight for their hearts, minds, and votes. It’s hard to get a date if you don’t come a callin’.
ccmask @
153
Seconded.
On Franken. I used to listen to him, but he was an Iraq war apologist for so long (and I gather still is interested in pressing forward there) that I couldn’t take it any more. Anyone know if he has said anything on stopping the U.S. Iran war plans underway?
by the way, regarding feingold’s request;
the president will refuse to even answer, saying either denying or achnowledging his activity would be a national security threat
my prediction
On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture On The Nomination of Samuel A. Alito, Jr. of New Jersey, To Be An Associate Justice Of The Supreme Court). Revisting the Infamy: Yeas and nays
Richmond @
157
I checked on that Friday with the Anchorage Air America affiliate. I was told “no.”
Ed*ard Teller @ 150
Thanks for that clarification, ET! I was mighty confused at first, as I recall your opinion of Knowles.
perris @ 158
Based on the Levin letter, and the Collins offer, W doesn’t refuse, he just doesn’t do anything. I doubt he’ll respond to Feingold.
Scarecrow’s uptop with a new thread!
OT: I know Teddy saw this, but other Californians may want to take a peak:
punaise @
87
It has a similar looking-back-from-the-future feel as the gripping piece done by James Fallows in The Atlantic Monthly a couple of years ago, called “Countdown to a Meltdown”:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200507/fallows
perris @ 158
Of course you’re right, he’ll refuse to answer. At that point, responses from his minions in DoJ should be requested – if necessary, via subpoena.
Hi, punaise!
Why most of my plants (all of them in pots) are cactus… (Or, as oen acquaintance said, ‘When you live in a desert, you grow desert plants.’)
Margot @
137
Yep.
And if we don’t get those infernal machines tossed out we’ll have to work harder coz they’ll set the bias higher.
I also have a wish-list, these are Dem senators coming up for 2008 cycle who voted for the MilComm Act (torture). I’d love to see them face real progressives in the primaries.
Tim Johnson (SD) — 2008
Mary Landrieu (LA) — 2008
Frank Lautenberg (NJ) — 2008
Mark Pryor (AR) — 2008
TeddySanFran @
141
I’ll add my .02 — the word is turncoat. People don’t forget.
Sen. Smith left enough wiggle room in his “criminal” speech to free twenty Houdinis. First off, he didn’t say what Bush did was criminal, he said the policy that had troops patrolling the streets getting blown up every day may be criminal. He’s receptive to the idea of the surge — at least in the last statements I saw from him just before the end of the year he was. He blames the “intelligence” for the decision to go into Iraq, he blames the military for the strategy that’s getting soldiers killed, but he doesn’t blame Bush. Or himself.
JUST MARRIED!
JUST MARRIED!
perris @
154
I sure am glad the he’s on our side. I think his letter restates the earlier fact that mr President has previously admitted to committing impeachable offenses.
rock on, Russ.
From what I hear, the senator’s race in Alabama could also be worth watching, especially if the Democrats could get a viable candidate like Artur Davis to go up against Jeff Sessions.
Per Normie-Boy….
Someone needs to do their journalistic investigative homework and report on his private life and weird “arranged marriage….”
2 kids died from a tragic genetic anomaly…so now they have 2 kids left who live where…here? in teh Twin Cities? while normie lives in DC and his wife lives in LA???? which they do??? many people up here discuss the numerous 23 year old “nieces” that he has who show up as his ‘escorts’ at functions….he has a very active sex life on the side (outside his SHAM marriage)…garrison keillor once wrote a column about this…we need to begin to plant this storyline in the public consciousness.
coleman is an opportunistic tool, shyster, jerk, and pig….did i mention he’s a liar and a hypocrite??? the guy totally needs to go, and tho’ i hate to admit it, i confess i’d love to see him flame out in a barrage of expose about his sordid personal life….
what’s good for the goose…
Jackie M.
Lance Armstrong could beat John Cornyn.
Anyway we could get Lance to do us all a favor?
If could get him to set his sights on a senate seat … …
Maybe if we asked him.