
David Lutrin has been a good friend to Blue America and has always been available and candid with us. He kept in great contact with us when he was running for Congress in FL-16 last summer, made several announcements about his campaign at Down With Tyranny and, after he withdrew from the race, he sent a note back to every single Blue America contributor-- along with a check for the amount they had donated to his campaign. Today Dave is joining us here at Firedoglake to talk about the nuts and bolts of the primary race he started but never finished in south Florida.
First a little background on the district and race. FL-16 wasn't exactly a district anyone was really targeting for a Democratic take over. It's a pretty Republican, rural district cutting right across the state from coast to coast, and it was represented by a fairly popular, well-entrenched incumbent, albeit a Bush rubber stamp. When school teacher and union member Dave Lutrin decided to run, it was because of his dismay with the occupation of Iraq and his dismay about how Bush had been running our country into the ground. He wanted something better for his young daughter and, as an idealistic and progressive Democrat, he decided Foley didn't merit a free ride to re-election. Not what you'd call a political insider, and severely un-financed, Dave vowed to give incumbent Mark Foley a grassroots race based on the day's burning issues, the kind of race that swept similar Democratic outsiders like Jerry McNerney, Carol Shea-Porter, John Yarmuth, Nancy Boyda, Chris Murphy, John Hall, Jason Altmire, Chris Carney, Patrick Murphy, Bruce Braley and Paul Hodes into office in November.
Early on in the process-- in mid-2005-- Dave contacted Democratic Party organizations throughout the district, as well as the state party and the DCCC in Washington. Everyone was enthusiastic and encouraging. Glen Rushing, the DCCC point person for the region, told Dave he was "just the type of candidate we're looking for." He offered to introduce him to Alabama Congressman Artur Davis, the DCCC-appointed mentor for Democratic candidates in the region, who following their first phone conversation offered to help him with his race. Rushing then promised to get him in touch with Florida DCCC chief, Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Emanuel's lieutenant for the Southeast.
Then something happened, something very dark and secretive, something people are just uncovering now. DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel found out something that could-- and did-- change the dynamics of the race in FL-16 dramatically. Emanuel became aware that Mark Foley-- well-known for years Inside-The-Beltway, albeit not among his church-going constituents, as a very active (and very hypocritical) homosexual-- was molesting the underage male congressional pages, and that he had been for many years. Did Emanuel call the police? Did he even call the staffers who are charged by Congress with looking out for the welfare of the pages? Doesn't look that way. What it does look like is that he called a fast-and-loose Republican businessman he knew, someone, like Emanuel, with elastic values and an even more elastic code of personal ethics. He offered him a congressional seat and all he'd have to do was switch party registration and become a Democrat. That man is freshman Congressman Tim Mahoney.
Suddenly there was a new DCCC point person, John Vogel, and he had no idea who Dave was. Rushing called and suggested Dave talk to someone named... Tim Mahoney. Dave did. And Mahoney offered him an intricate bribe to drop out of the race and run against Republican Bill Young in FL-10 instead. Dave Lutrin never had a single conversation with Rahm Emanuel. But Emanuel's paw finger prints are all over this operation. It's the way he worked in district after district, everywhere in the country, seeking to find business-friendly, quasi-Republicans who would soft-peddle their opposition to the war in Iraq and never mention "impeachment." Many of us have experienced first hand Emanuel's tactics in CA-11, FL-13, and IL-06 to name a few. Scared of career-ending retribution, virtually no Democrats have been willing to go on the record about DCCC practices that are at variance with internal party rules. Dave has no such fears. Please help me welcome Dave Lutrin as our first Blue America guest of 2007.
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BLUE AMERICA LIVES!
HOWIE!
Good morning, firepups!
Florida is truly a political swamp.
Welcome to Firedoglake, Dave!
Well, it’s Florida. From what I hear, that’s pretty much par for the course! Welcome, to the Lake, David!
It usually take a few minutes for everyone to read the post. I’m sure people will want to get into the specifics.
Dave, how closely did you follow the race after you pulled out?
I want to thank Howie for all of the work that he has done to bring truth to America and for giving me this opportunity today to respond to any questions or comments that you may have.
I followed the race very closely. Many of my supporters kept in contact with, so I knew most of what was happening with Mahoney.
Wowie, Howie, Blue-America here is one of the most important weekly events in American politics.
Howie’s contempt for Rahm Emanuel will not subside.
Welcome to fdl, David.
What was happening with Mahoney?
My condolences. Most of us have only been figuratively kicked in the teeth by Rahm Emanuel’s situational political ethics. It’s got to be tough to be a direct victim of these kinds of shenanigans.
OMG. I am SO sorry, Dave, this is NOT how democracy is suppose to work, with the stench of smoke-filled back rooms hanging over everything.
I hope you will continue to watch for opportunities to run; we will have to be come more organized to support and protect candidates like you from “machine politics,” particularly that portion that does not have the interests of the American public at heart (ahem, Lieberman…).
If there are FirePups in Rahm’s district reading this, are there any grassroots candidates starting to surface to primary against Rahm? He is toast in my book.
Dave, how big a surprise was it to you when it became public that Foley was messing around with the underage male pages? And later, how big of a surprise was it to you that Emanuel seems to have known about Foley and the pages as long ago as 2005 (if not before)?
What can we do to help uncover the slimy underbelly of Rahm’s “operation” and make it go away?
Is there any chance Speaker Pelosi would side with us — Or is that too much of a political hot potato?
Mahoney was flip-flopping throughout the district. District 16 covers parts of 8 counties in Florida, mostly, agricultural, conservative counties that are inland, but a couple of the counties are on the coasts and are more progressive. On the coasts, Mahoney was pro-choice, but inland he was pro-life.
I didn’t know this story. It makes me sick. But it also shows that Rahm knows exactly what’s up. It’s a power struggle for control of the Democratic Party in the medium term. This is going to be a tought fight, and the worst of it is, we have to stick together with slime like him to defeat the greater enemy on the Right.
Rayne @ 13
Rahm would have to go even if it weren’t becoming clear that he knew about and played La Cage aux Foley for political gain. But since it seems he did, he needs to get smacked down right along with the Republicans involved.
Welcome Dave, we really need to know stuff like this for planning ahead. Not only are there still a whole lot of R’s who need to be challenged, but there are a lot of D’s who need to get shaken out in the primaries.
What have we learned from 2006? How can we get around this?
I apologize for responding so slowly, but this is my first time doing this sort of thing, so I will try to answer each comment as quickly as I can.
But Rahm IS our greater enemy to the Right!
Jacqrat @ 15
Jacquie, I think there will be a lot said about the relationship between Emanuel and Pelosi as time goes by. He seems an integral part of her operation on the one hand but he seems to undermine her on the other hand (like on the Hoyer v Murtha thing and by feeding the mass media freshmen reps who undercut her positions and bolster his own far less progressive and far more Republican-lite positions). It will be an interesting one to watch.
Welcome to FDL David! It’s an honor to have you with us!
Dave, thanks for your courage and integrity -
and Howie, thanks for your amazing work.
Both of you - and people like you - give me hope that we citizens will take back control of our government from Rahm and the Money Party.
Knut Wicksell (17) — I don’t know about the stick-together part. The danger is even greater ahead; how many times has Rahm now planted a DINO where a real grassroots Dem should be, and how will these DINO’s vote on bills like Leahy’s War Profiteering Act?
Rahm needs the screws put to him and HARD. NOW.
Yes, I will run again. I will probably run for something statewide in’08 for some more name recognition and then wait until 2012 when Florida gets 2 or 3 more Congressional seats and take another shot at the House.
David Lutrin @ 20
You’re doing fine. It’s a different kind of real time interaction, though, isn’t it?
How long do think it will take Emanuel to move against net neutrality? Progress Blogs are his enemy and the enemy of corp. America, his masters. We will be his undoing.
Rayne @ 25
Which can be done by tarring him with the Foley brush along with his GOP co-conspirators.
The Democratic Party should make it clear that Rham Emanuel will not dance The Red Shoes tonight — or any other night! If they don’t you can kiss oversight, reform or anything else requiring alteration of the Republican status quo goodbye.
Howie, just for the record, I would love to see a scorechart of Blue America candidates supported and won/lost, ditto 50-state and Rahm’s candidates. He keeps being described as ‘architect of the Dem takeover’ and such, sure would be handy to have something to link to in letters to ed and comments to WaPo and CNN and such.
PS If such a chart doesn’t exist, I’ll research and post it.
After everything I’ve learned during the campaign, nothing surprises me anymore. So, when I found out that Raum knew everything in ‘05, it didn’t surprise me, it just disgusted me. As far as Foley was concerned, nothing surprised me. The worst thing about the entire incident with Emmanuel and the DCCC basically fixing the District 16 race was that anybody could have won that seat.
David and Howie,
This past year was one of the few election cycles that have really excited me and pulled me in beyond my local & regional races. It was primarily because of the unabashed progressive/liberal nature of so many candidates running as well as the sheer evil being opposed (Allen, Burns, Santorum etc.)
I don’t really have a question. Sadly, every forensic electoral analysis of Florida I’ve ever done has only dampened what passion I am able to muster for the national political process.
I do want to say, however, I really appreciate the work that you folks are doing to reform the Democratic party, especially at the national level. The DLC punching bags and other Democratic (GOP-lite) enablers do not lead voters away from the GOP and they are no-talents when it comes to slowing the GOP march to madness.
The type of work Blue America and Blue America candidates do is a full frontal assault to the part of the problem that we Democrats need to, and do, own. Thanks!
slainte,
cl
Rayne @ 25
My question exactly. If the Dems are owned by the same people as the R’s, then everything we do is just busy-work to keep us quiet and impecunious.
EvilDrPuma @ 29
Which can be done by tarring him with the Foley brush along with his GOP co-conspirators.
Dr. P, it looks like the Republicans are Rahm have made a deal to sweep the whole Foley cover-up– as least as pertains to GOP and Dem leadership (himself)– under the rug– WAY UNDER THE RUG. They want to “move on.” Potentially this scandal should do in Hastert, Blunt, Boehner, Reynolds and at least Emanuel. But they’re trying to bury it.
David Lutrin @
26
Excellent!
HotFlash @ 34
Great Foley animation on Bob Geiger’s blog today: by Handlesman at the bottom of the Saturday Cartoons post - scroll down
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
David - take your time, things zip along here but we’re mighty patient with guests coz we really appreciate your work.
David Lutrin @
26
Woo Hoo!
Hotflash,
We can’t give up.
And we WON’T give up!
News that David will run again is great - and one of the reasons we are committed to build an ongoing BlueAmerica team so we can support the careers of *real progressive candidates!*
Howie and Dave,
I would think that one solution is to scout and promote our own candidates. BlueAmerica and ActBlue allow us to fund candidated directly, and the hand-on and grassroots approach generates votes at a much more efficient rate than just throwing bucks at a district.
Howie, you have done a fabulous job finding guys like Dave and, in MI, Tony Trupiano (I’, in MI-10, next door to Tony). How do we find our own Dave’s and Tony’s? Especially, what questions do you ask and what do they have to answer? If somebody is not 100% ideal but better than the alternative(s), can they still get BlueAmerica help?
HotFlash @ 31
I’d be very interested in a chart like that. Quite a few articles have been written about it on Down With Tyranny. A chart would be great.
People like you and Bill Durston who ran against Dan Lungren in CA give this country hope and possibility. I so appreciate the work you have done.
Dave,
It is a pleasure to meet you. I’d learned a little bit about the goings-on in Fl-16 from Howie previously. It is very unfortunate and exactly the sort of thing we need to stop. The citizens need to be allowed to chose who their representatives are, not the party power brokers. Certainly there needs to be a vetting process but ultimately it is We the People that make the decisions.
I am glad to read that you intend to stay involved and run for office. May I ask what, regardless of what office you end up running for, what are the sort of things you personally would like to be able to accomplish via elective office?
Peace,
Andrew
p.s. as a New Yorker likely to lose one of those congressional seats to Florida I have a sorta vested interest in making sure you Floridians elect our type of representative.
David Lutrin @ 40
Don’t worry, I don’t intend to give up. What I intend is an end-run ;)
Hi Howie and David –
This story is disgusting and so sadly not shocking. Purging the DLC from the real Democratic Party is hard work!
Siun @ 42
Does this mean that the Blue America PAC is taking donations at the moment?
By the way folks… it is January 7 and 65 degrees here in the mountains of upstate New York.
Howie Klein @ 44
Yer on. I’ll let you know when I have it done (ish).
For many years I lived in Williston, Fl., about 30 miles south of Gainesville. I now teach in a rural public high school in my native state of Oklahoma. I anticipate improvements for our children, in the public school system, now that the Dems have control of Congress. Would you care to comment on what benefits our kids might expect when the Democrats recapture the WH in 2008?
Howie,
Along those lines, the new ethics rules are not enough. The Dems still need a few weeks of hearings on WHY the old ethics laws allowed so many felonies to go unchecked. There is a great deal more of GOP smearing (public education) that needs to occur.
It is one thing for the Dems to say they will run a cleaner congress which I fully expect. We also need an airing of the wrongdoing of the last 12 years of Gingrich/Hastert/Delay etc. bribery, extortion and other corrupt practices. The American people need to be reminded why we are in this mess.
Otherwise ABC will do a documentary “The Path To Ethics” explaining how Tom Delay tried to push ethical reforms in 2004-5, but was stopped by Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders.
cl
LindaR @ 49
The PAC is open for donations. Thanks for asking, Siun
LindaR - here we go - the BlueAmerica Pac page:
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08
I’m setting up a monthly contribution (small but regular) to help us build towards ‘08!
EvilDrPuma — oh definitely, lambaste Rahm with that very big Foley brush. Soccer moms do NOT like their kids put at risk, or the threats brushed under the carpet. I think what’s called for here is some big media; note how curiously absent coverage is on the Foley fallout and subsequent report. Hmm.
HotFlash — much of the candidate selection process is really up to us. We have even bigger problems in MI-4, no candidates in sight, will have to look with a fine tooth comb for one. (Not to mention that our local party’s Candidate Development organization has been an utter joke, DINO in charge who prides himself on not being able to turn on a computer.) I’ve even considered enticing one from another district to move here. We all need to help our local DFA and local parties’ Candidate Development to find, recruit and groom candidates, and have the discussion upfront about interlopers and non-local machine politics interference. All politics are local, remember?
I want to bring three words to whatever office I seek in the future: ethics, ethics, and ethics.
Not the bull that the 110th is debating now, but public financing of political campaigns, espescially, the U.S. House, so that real Americans who are in touch with the masses can play on a level playing field and have a shot at representing the people. America deserves that. The Constitution demands it.
David Lutrin @ 57
Good answer.
Siun @ 55
I can only do small right now too, but I just gave $25!
What Caoimhin Laochdha said at 53.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 52
Until high-stakes testing is de-emphasized, and NCLB is repealed or completely redrawn, you won’t see much change.
Great LindaR!
I set up for $25 a month - any Firepups wanna match me?
It feels real good to invest in a progressive future! and one that speaks for us!
This whole story just shows explicitly how bad little rahmmie is. Again, so many people who came out of Bill Clinton’s administration turned out to be rethug-lite. Let’s hope that Nancy Pelosi can get a better grip on the party, but I’m not overly optimistic since she seems to be strongly favoring bipartisan cooperation, and no impeachment.
David - good point on NCLB! I am so grateful my kids are both past school age since this is such a disaster for our children!
Andrew C. White @ 50
It’s 80 here in Florida…Global warming.
Back to David –
I don’t know if it helps to hear this, but I get angry when I read about was Rahm Emanuel did to you. It’s just. plain. wrong. And it pisses me off to hear myself saying to myself “oh, you are so naive.”
So thank you. Thank you for running. Thank you for not backing down in the face of skulduggery. I could not run for office in a million years (with my history) so I admire you.
And I suspect there are a lot of us ready to contribute to your next campaign.
BearCountry @ 63
I have a feeling Nancy Pelosi is going to surprise us — in a good way.
David Lutrin @ 3
Welcome to FDL, from the western end of the same swamp (Southeast Louisiana, LA-02). You just said the magic words for me: Ethics, Ethics, and Ethics! Indeed!
BearCountry @ 63
Impeachment needs to be back on the table. We are a country of laws (or we used to be) and Bush broke the law, period.
Rayne @ 56
Yes indeedy, Rayne, hence my specific questions at 43. OTOH, a little coordination is nice, or I’d just vote indisputably-moral Green, if you see what I mean. I would prefer my local bit to actually make a diff when it got to DC, though.
But, I am not an organization type, and I don’t propose to drive 5 hours to have a beer with somebody in Flint to get an answer to a question that could be answered in 5 min on the phone or Toobz. As El Gato would say, So.
Yes! I am so frustrated by the idea that we should compromise the rule of law to accomodate political considerations - of any sort.
Impeachable offenses need impeachment or we kiss our constitution good bye!
I guess this is not a story that MSM would like to out. However, I think Greg Palast would like this. I will send him the link to this, hope it will be available in archives for a while so he can see it. Then he will be able to go directly to the sources–Howie and David for more.
David Lutrin @ 61
That’s precisely the answer I was looking for.
bg - we keep all our archives and you can always find them by clicking on the Blue America category on the list of topics.
David Lutrin @
65
It’s 60 in the Green Mountains of northern Vermont. I played frisbee with my dog today on green grass!
David,
We may get a bit off topic here from FL-16, which is the nature of the blog beast. Please understand that is our nature and does reflect at all on how much we appreciate and respect the efforts and sacrifice you are making in Florida, not just for FL-16, but for all of us.
slainte,
cl
Great. I hope Greg will go for this. I think it is exactly the stuff he likes to do, and anything Florida, well, he’s been there, done that.
LindaR @ 66
Thank you for your comments. I was very naive when I jumped into the race head first, but it was something that I needed to to, for my daughter and for my country. I made some mistakes, mistakes that I won’t make next time. The one thing that I will not change, even if it costs me the race, is my integrity. I will not sellout my principles. I will not change my views or beliefs…what you see, is what you get. Either vote for me, or don’t.
I have to run Dave but I wish you luck in your endeavors. We need people getting into politics for the right reasons.
One last question, do you have, are you building, friends and supporters in the political swamp? Will there be support for your run for state office or will there be an attempt to lock you out of that as well?
David Lutrin @ 57
LindaR @ 67
I agree - so much so that I’m sporting a button these days on my jacket and a bumpersticker on my jalopy.Pelosi for President 2007 (grin)
HotFlash @
60
I’ll second that, HotFlash. Are there ways we can push for a re-opening of the ethics probe concluded during the lame duck session?
still zero degrees F here in Palmer, Alaska.
I guess I do have time for one more question.
Dave… I’m curious about this comment by Howie:
Can you expand on this without getting into things that are better left unsaid on a public blog?
I recall Rahm Emmanuel being asked point blank if he knew about Foley prior to the NBC revelations. And he said “No”. How he could cram so much calculation into one word I do not know, but I did know he was lying. How can we claim moral superiority when it is just a game of tit for tat?
Thank you David Lutrin for STANDING FOR SOMETHING. Your strategy of running for one of the new districts to be awarded to Florida is the best idea I can imagine, and I hope we serve you as well as you deserve.
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 75
Thanks,
When I began the race, I stressed in my speeches that this election wasn’t about District 16, it was bigger than that. It was about our country and our country’s future. We needed this seat to gain control on Congress to put Bush on a shorter leash so that he couldn’t do so much damage until 2008 or until we impeached him, whichever came first.
Siun @ 71
Having just finished Glenn Greenwald’s book this morning, I must agree in the strongest possible terms. Bush is a lawbreaker, and he MUST be held to account for it.
BearCountry @ 63
Denny said bipartisan and it meant R way.
Nancy says bipartisan — we’ll just have to wait to see what it means. As frustrating as it is, I think that a lot of what she says is for Them, not us. Now that I have heard Mme Speaker, I can believe she’d set up the investigations, the R’s will fall all over themselves to impeach the Chimp before he tanks *their* chances in 2008, and she’ll just smile a big, innocent “Who me?” smile.
Also, re snapping Rahm into line, she does not have ultimate authority just because she is Speaker. Rahm as DCCC has control of a shit-load of money — although Howie and ActBlue and Howard Dean et al. are undermining that — hah!) and Steny will probably back Rahm over Nancy if it comes to a fight. Also, all this party in-fighting has to happen out in full view. The R’s can still count on the media to not see the damnedest obvious things, but Fox and the crew will disect Mme Nancy’s every move and Rahm will leak like a baby to them.
NCLB is a Republican sham. Designed to place blame on teachers and their unions (a group of hard working and concerned professionals the Bush Administration regard as enemies) for the Bush failure in addressing our children’s educational needs. NCLB was, and remains, an ugly and selfish PR political ploy on the part of the Republican party.
David, would you support impeachment of Bush and/or Cheney - in the near term?
Ed*ard Teller @
80
HotFlash and ET,
Not just the Foley whitewash from last seesion. I’m referring to Duke Cunningham and Chairman Hairjob from Ohio, Tom Delay and the Marianna Islands, Jack Abramoff et al.
Democratic chairs are in a position to subpeona those jokers from prison and have the fed marshalls deliver Ney & Cunningham to the committee for questioning.
The public needs to understand what laws were broken, how they were broken, AND WHY the existing ethics laws did not work. Then the Democrats can explain why they passed the new legislation. Right now, all they are saying is “we are cleaner.” That is not enough. The Democrats need to parade these people in front of a committee and say “They are filthy.”
slainte,
cl
David Lutrin @ 77
That is so good to hear, it is meat and drink. So many of my friends told me they didn’t care about politics because everyone was corrupt. In my book, the major failure of the Dem part for the past, what 25 years, has been not providing anyone for those of us who love our country to vote for. Me too, just got back into it this year. Thanks to Jane, Howie, and everyone at FDL.
Andrew C. White @ 81
The details will be in my book (if I ever get to writing it) but, the very first time that I met Tim, he was very well prepared (by the DCCC) and offered me a deal with considerable value to vacate the race in District 16, so that he wouldn’t have to spend any money on a primary against me, and I should run in District 10 against Bill Young, who was unopposed, at that time.
newspaperbrat @ 87
I think that was what he meant when he said he was wearing a button that says Pelosi for Prez, ‘07.
Rahm is a bad Democratic egg. But I’d still like to know what the DLC does for my party (Dems).
Um, they offered to buy you a house in another district?
newspaperbrat @ 87
Yes, I would. First, as incentive, I would hold it over their heads to get our troops out of Iraq, NOW.
Hmm, any idea why they wanted you in 10 and leave Tim M in 16? If both winnable, why did they want 16 so bad?
OT - Dems Prepare Slew of Oversight Hearings
bg @ 93
You don’t have to live in the district that you represent. I didn’t live in 16. I moved 1 mile out of 16 and into 22. Mahoney doesn’t live in 16, either. The law states that you don’t even have to live in the state that you are running in until election day, but it is start politics to live in the district that you are representing. Mahoney uses the address of his tax-shelter “cattle ranch”, which is in 16.
Something I view as one of the largest problems in our political system today is that corporations have been given “rights” that are sometimes on par with — if not surpassing — those of regular human-being-type citizens. Do you have any ideas on how to go about curbing the power of corporations? Is campaign finance reform (no more “one dollar, one vote”!) the best place to start?
It is incredible to me that Rahm E thought he could just move candidates around from one district to another.
That sort of “carpetbagging” even in a localized area never flies with voters. People see it as a scam, and it is an increasingly uphill battle from then on.
twolf1 @
96
On a related note: Republicans prepare a slew of going-away parties for Harriet Miers.
cl
Impeachment? I support it. Now for the hard part. How do we get around the ’super majority’ thing?
HotFlash @ 95
By conventional metrics, neither district was winnable. Emanuel knew exactly why FL-16 was winnable but they needed to get Dave out of the way before leaking the info about Foley and the pages.
David Lutrin @ 77
Thank you, thank you for not being afraid to say what you mean and mean what you say! We need a Congress full of people like you!
bg @ 99
But New Yorkers didn’t seem to mind the carpetbagging Hillary.
HotFlash @ 95
Mahoney was very similar to Foley on social issues, 16 is an agricultural district and Mahoney is a “Cattle Rancher” on paper, he could self-finance(being a millionaire) making Foley spend some of his war chest so he couldn’t help other Reps, and he was a corporate hack like Emmanuel so he gets to stay close to home.
bg @ 99
If you’ll recall, when Shumer conspired to drive Paul Hackett out of the Senate primary in Ohio, it was Rahm who popped up out of nowhere and “offered” Paul the 2nd district nomination (which Paul’s neighbor and friend Victoria Wulsin pretty much had sewn up already). Rahm’s and Shumer’s treachery and conniving nearly lost us a senate seat in Ohio. But in the end Paul campaigned hard and strong for Sherrod Brown and DeWine lost.
My contempt for Rahm is as boundless as my contempt for Joe LIE.
We absolutely need to find someone great to run against him in 08.
As for impeachment, I do like the John Dean plan. Go for the low hanging fruit and work our way up the ladder. By the time the underlings start flipping, we will have no problem getting a super majority. In fact I would imagine that as hearing after hearing start exposing what has been going on to the light of day and the law, the repubs will be the ones demanding impeachment or resignation just to shut everyone up.
At least that’s my theory.
And Mr. Lutrin, bless you for taking on the challenge to begin with and then coming forth with the truth. It is a noble thing you do and I hope you will indeed run for elective office again and win.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 101
OKiddo, it could happen, despite ‘off the table’. (mostly quoting myself from earlier) As frustrating as it is, I think that a lot of what she says is for Them, not us. Now that I have heard Mme Speaker, I can believe she’d set up the investigations, stuff will come out and OMG the R’s will fall all over themselves to impeach the Chimp before he tanks *their* chances in 2008. And she’ll just smile a big, innocent “Who me?” smile. And take the oath of office, I sure hope.
I try to put myself in her place, I get scared just thinking of it. If I were doing a card reading for her it would look like, “You are surrounded by enemies.” Mme Speaker, stay out of small planes, wear a Kevlar bodysuit, have other people with you always.
“Considerable value.”
Interesting. If you were an elected official already that would most likely be called a bribe and it would be illegal. As both of you were private citizens at the time, and not knowing the details, it might just be sleazy on their part.
In either case, while I understand the desirability of avoiding primaries, I more strongly believe in the rights of the people to make their own choices.
Peace,
Andrew
AirportCat @ 98
Public finacing of all Congressional races.
Howie Klein @ 91
Blush - apologies to all especially David & Howie.
I believe there was a lot of talk about carpetbagging in NY with Clinton. However, I think the voters looked at it as if it was a business decision. It was good business to elect her. . .but the carpetbagging issue continues to come up, even with her. Perhaps one of the reasons she has sucked so hard on Iraq.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 104
Funny thing, I stopped overnight in Mt Cisko shortly after the lady and her husband whats-his-name moved in. The locals seemed a tad star-struck and cynical at the same time. You vote, I guess, for the Democrats who are handed to you…
Public financing of all federal elections including presidential elections is essential. But how do we get this done?
HotFlash @ 113
That is what’s so despicable about Raum, he wants to be the one who decides what Democrats are handed to you to vote for, even if that Democrat is a Republican.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
I can’t tell you the details, but it is being done successfully in several state legislatures and I believe the in Ct. and Vt. for the governor’s race.
New York is a bit different. The carpetbagging thing was used against Hillary but the fact is that so much of the population is from somewhere else already and so much of the rest of the population has parents or grandparents that are from somewhere very much else (other countries) that the carpetbagging thing only goes so far.
They tried to paint Kirsten Gillibrand as being from NYC rather then upstate despite the fact she grew up here and is fifth generation here. That charge didn’t get much traction except amongst folks that weren’t going to vote for her anyway.
I don’t know Florida well but I would imagine that the carpetbagging thing probably isn’t as strong there either. Frankly, given mass transportation and the nature of this nation, I would expect that it isn’t as strong a charge as one might think in most places.
HotFlash @ 108
Oh, don’t get me started on this one. How about Madame Speaker always wears her seatbelt, and never rides in a vehicle driven by someone who is functionally impaired?
And never go hunting with the
creepVeep.Rahm. Just what we need. A Democrat ‘Decider’
HotFlash — sorry, lots going on here in the background, haven’t been able to stay on line. I understand your challenge with the organization thing; I didn’t used to be, and I still flirt with pulling the plug on it from time to time. But it has to be done, and here I am. The challenge with your district is intra-party factions pulling in many different directions, pitted against a rather unified opposition. Flint MI has (5) party organizations, diluting the power they have to find a candidate.
I’ve often thought if I lived in that district that I’d go to one of their “homeboys” with clout and see if they can help. In the specific case of Flint, I mean Michael Moore. He surely understands the problem, and he’s got the resources to change the facts on the ground. But I’d also join the different Flint/MI-10 groups that have an online presence, explain what your limitations are and how you’d like to help, and see what happens next.
I also recommend having a userid at MichiganLiberal.com and posting there about your situation — see what happens next.
Bet you there’s a parallel just about anywhere else in the U.S., too; who and what are the real hidden resources? how do we connect them to the grassroots? who and what are the liberal power bloggers in the area? can they strategize and plan to win back their respective districts and state?
As for me, I’m so tired of hearing people like David Broder talk about Rahm being the engineer of the democratic victory in the last election. I wrote and told Mr. Broder so, yesterday.
Mr. Lutrin, thank you for running. You’ll have my support if you decide to run again.
David Lutrin @ 115
So, end run. David, you withdrew although not because of the bribe, so how did they make you go away? Howie, if we find ourselves a good guy, say, for MI-10, would we expect Rahm to come gunning for us? It’s looking winnable, our R Critter, Candice Miller, may up and take a run at Carl Levin’s job in 2008. If she doesn’t get investigated for her role in the Delay-ed voting on the Medicare prescription drug bill.
Well, what Lew Wallace said about NM is that what works everywhere else does not work in NM. Carpetbagging. Bill Richardson is still being called a carpetbagger, after more than 20 years of elected office and public service.
So it may vary from place to place. In NM, the out of state campaign workers are deeply resented.
I also agree with Dean about impeachment. As he said, the Clinton impeachment had no chance of succeeding in the Senate, the House republicans just did it because they could. The Bush/Cheney impeachment also has no chance of succeeding, but the “low hanging fruit”, AG etc., is “doable”. And the damage to republicans as a party could become so egregious that W could be “convinced” to resign, afer an ornate kabuki dance with Cheney going first, new Veep appointed, flurry of presidential pardons, etc.
Or, he could just be W to the bitter end and leave his party a smoldering shambles like Iraq. Hopefully leaving some of the Constitution behind, enough to repair.
I have enjoyed this thread. Howie, great work during the election. I am still enjoying several of the albums you sent.
Mr. Lutrin…thanks for participating in the FDL chat and for respecting the netroots.
Rayne @ 120
Rayne, I have a person in mind, we have spoken, he is keen, financed, experienced, and looks good on paper. He is intreeted in having me work with him, so he says. We have e-mailed frequently and phoned on occassion.
HOWEVER. Before I commit, I would like to talk to you and/or Howie or someone about him first, and *not* in a public forum. I want to know what YOU think. I have mentioned this several times, left messages at yr blog, etc. I am, in fact, doing my research, have been for months, and it is only here that I am getting no-go.
HotFlash @ 122
Rahm is out of the DCCC and we are feeling out the new top dog, Chris Van Hollen, about how he will behave in regard to the grassroots. I think we’ll have him as a guest on FDL soon. I’ve been exchanging e-mails with his office and Jane and I are hoping to sit down and talk with him face to face soon.
Speaking of carpetbagger, I don’t eve live in the US, so although there is a lot I can do, there is also a lot that ‘ain’t my place’. My county party is seriously lethargic but entrenched. But I live online, and my guy doesn’t.
ArthurKC @ 125
I’ve been collecting boxfuls of CDs for coming fundraisers. I have some really good boxsets that SONY sent a few days ago (including these amazing Dylan boxes).
Howie Klein @ 127
Good news! I wait with ‘bated breath.
Stopping in to say hello-I live in District 16–Highlands Couny! Hi David.
Thanks to both Howie and David for this conversation today.
OT–what is the status of the recount/revote in Florida–not sure the district–but the one where the 13,000 or 16,000 votes went “missing”?
HotFlash @ 122
I finally withdrew because I was basically a one-man show who couldn’t fight Goliath anymore. The Florida Democratic Party was working in conjunction with the DCCC and all of the doors were closing fast. I had a major statewide endorsement that disappeared. I’m a teacher and a union member and it appeared that Tim M was going to get the state and national union endorsements. That would have been a major slap in the face to me, a teacher and proud union member, to lose those endorsements to someone who doesn’t believe enough in public education to put his own child in a public school. Put all of that together with the fact that I wasn’t raising much money and couldn’t find a campaign manager, it was over.
FYI
Stoller is linking to us now and has his own comments on this sordid affair at MyDD.
ps: I met Tim Mahoney and asked him about impeachment at a fair in town…he said, to my face, that he will not even discuss the subject!!
Democrats in Washington have found a subtle new way to annoy Republicans: Every chance they get, they’re starting to refer to Bill Clinton as “42.” The idea is clear enough–that Hillary Clinton will be “44,” a wink at the way the Bushes have long referred to George H.W. as “41″ and W. as “43.” The new Clinton nickname is spreading “like a wave,” says Democratic strategist Mark Siegel, who says he casually drops the reference into conversations with Republicans and then waits for the reaction. Usually, he says, it’s a blank stare. “Then a look of understanding, and then a look of anger.” Makes us crack up every time. And people say Washington doesn’t have a sense of humor.
Why do I have this nagging feeling that Hillary is being Rhammed down my throat?
ccmask @ 131
I love the people in Highlands. Sorry I bailed-out on you.
ccmask @ 135
Tim wouldn’t discuss most issues that required an opinion.
RevDeb @ 134
Jerome Armstrong just left a comment on Matt’s post and he seems to think Mahoney is just peachy-keen. Very disappointing.
David,
Please stick with Blue America on this through the next 22 months!
One of the many amazing things about Howie is that even with all the sleaze he has uncovered on leaders from BOTH parties, he has never for a moment given up faith in the ability of the Dem left to overcome these selfish, venal leaders and their structure to bring our democracy back. I think Howie’s vision and ability to communicate is going to help us bring more young voters aboard too.
At least in Alaska, you have to live in your legislative district.
Well, next time you run I’ll have your back. It was a very hard decision for me to have to vote for Mahoney. He signed up late and I imagined, later on, that he knew about the Foley Affair. But nothing surprises me anymore. They treat young boys in Washington just as bad as older soldiers. Mahoney said he lived on a ranch but he actually lived in a community in Palm Beach. I believe I googles his ranch acreage and found it was for sale at the time of the election.
PS: He dresses like a cowbot like Bush–but the first time I saw him, I said to myself Cowboy my A**!! I took pics of him and his staff and he asked me to email them to him and his staffer, Adam, refused to answer any of my emails after that. Anyway, Good Luck to you David.
Howie Klein @ 139
In the newspapers in District 16 during the past 6 months, Mahoney has endorsed Bush’s capital gains and dividends tax cuts, Bush’s “guest worker” program, and is anti-abortion.
ccmask @ 142
He still lives in District 22. His “cattle ranch” was a sham, just like him.
David Lutrin @ 143
I sincerely doubt any of that is too damning to any “ex”-Republicans (Mr. Armstrong included).
Well, if we had only known then what we know now… but wait! We do know it now, and there will be a next time. David, I wish you the very best in 2008, and ccmask is dynamite.
One of the ‘we gotta do this for next time’ things kicking around from Nov 7 was the intention, Rayne will remember this, I think, that we make up somehow a HowTo book for finding and electing local folks. Today’s BlueAmerica looks like a chapter for that. Howie, can you put a ‘local howto’ or some tag on this post so we can hoick it and similar post (the rest of the series, I hope) up on a search?
David Lutrin @ 138
This sounds so much like what went on in the IL-06 district, where Tammy Duckworth was installed by Rahm as the Democratic candidate over Christine Cegelis, a local activist who had done very well in the district in the 2004 election (not to mention a Blue America candidate). Duckworth won, and proceeded to lose the general election by being as noncommittal as she could on any question of any substance.
I have a question related to public financing of campaigns. One potential problem I see with public financing is the possibility that it will serve to lock folks like you who aren’t supported by the party machinery, not to mention third-party candidates, out of the process. How do you propose to avoid that?
Yeah, it’s been awhile since I googled the property. But all it took for me was one look at him to know he was a Republican. In fact, I reported on it here the day of the festival when I met him. But I had to vote for him and I told all the Republicans in my small town that he was a closet Republican and they all voted for him too.
ccmask @
142
Cowbot, I like it! And I like your pics, too. David she takes *good* pics — loved your Young Gator series.
ccmask @ 148
There are a lot of “closet” republicans it would seem. My, they do love their closets.
ccmask @ 148
ccmask, you’ll be a *great* campaign manager.
David Lutrin @ 61
Until high-stakes testing is de-emphasized, and NCLB is repealed or completely redrawn, you won’t see much change.
High stakes testing is SUCH a crock. It assumes that teachers and administrators are stupid, and don’t understand what’s rewarded.
As long as budgets are tied to test scores, there will be incentive to teach to the tests. That might be okay, if the test actually tested something, but by and large, they don’t really test thinking and learning, they test the ability to take the test.
David Lutrin @ 116
You can add New Mexico, in the races for the Public Regulatory Commission. There’s a rumor that our Lege will look at expanding the public financing this year.
BC
This has always been my favorite picture of Dave. Adam, the DWT Art Director, lives in the district too. He did a lot of research work into Mahoney (face to face)– and came up with a very different assessment than the one Jerome got from his phone calls.
ps: This is so funny because the biggest Republican in town votes across the board. When I told him the closet Republican story, he had a glitter in his eye. I met him on Election Day and he had his little I voted Sticker on his shirt. He looked at me and said “Today was the first time I voted Democratic–I voted for Tim. hehe Meanwhile, deep down, I wanted to give my vote to Foley, rather than Mahoney. Tim gave me a t-shirt which I brought to work with me. I told a whole shop full of guys (who work in old t-shirts) that if anyone wanted the shirt, they could take it. A month later, I threw it way.
Bargain Countertenor @ 153
There seem to be a number of models, I just googled public financing of elections and got 39.5 million hits. The first page looked really meaty.
Hot Flash: I meant cowboy….but cowbot is perfect!! hehe
Cujo359 @ 147
It can’t be much worse than it is now. I don’t have an answer, but I do know that there has to be a workable and equitable system. At least it will eliminate the perpetual fundraising so that elected officials can be free to actually do the job they were elected to do.
I was a li’l surprised that Jennings beat Jan Schneider in the Dem primary down here in still undecided FL-13. From Jennings’ background (former RepugniKKKan), I now suspect Emmanuel had a hand in here as well. Gotta get ridda this guy.
I don’t trust Rahm at all. I’ve seen his work firsthand. We won this election. Had we left it to Rahm, to this day, there would not be a madame speaker.
MANATEE - Rep. Vern Buchanan joined Congress on Thursday with his election in dispute, but he wasn’t alone.
Election contests have been filed in five other House races in Florida, records show. That means almost a quarter of the state’s 25-member delegation took office with the validity of their elections under challenge.
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/b.....387347.htm
Bargain Countertenor @ 152
High stakes testing is SUCH a crock. It assumes that teachers and administrators are stupid, and don’t understand what’s rewarded.
As long as budgets are tied to test scores, there will be incentive to teach to the tests. That might be okay, if the test actually tested something, but by and large, they don’t really test thinking and learning, they test the ability to take the test.
Elect more Democratic goveners and legislators who understand that teachers need to be able to do what they do best, teach.
ccmask @ 161
Thanks, Jeb.
Ronzoni Rigatoni @ 159
I wish Jan would let me talk freely about what went on in that district. Emanuel was as vicious to her as he was to anyone whose campaign he tried to derail. But she asked me not to publish the specifics. (I confronted Hoyer on the phone with his role in this and it was the only time during our conversation where he kind of lost it. He was key, along with Rahm, in a series of dirty tricks employed against Jan on behalf of Jennings.)
Next time, David next time. I’ll keep my eyes out on this end.
ccmask @ 165
Thanks, I appreciate it.
“Rahm as DCCC has control of a shit-load of money”
but remember, he’s being replaced soon - next month? Can’t remember the name of his replacement, but he got good “notices” from some folks here, iirc.
tejanarusa @ 167
Chris Van Hollen. His voting record is much more progressive than Rahm’s. But he was a key DCCC operative and we have been a little pollyanna in assuming that he’ll be better than Rahm. He MAY turn out to be great. Or maybe not. Like I said earlier, we’ll trying to get him to come over and chat with us here at FDL and I think that will happen soon.
Howie
Thank you for bringing us David Lutrin and all the others you have showcased through Blue America.
You are truly an inspiration to little folks like me who think there is not anything that I could do that would have an impact.
Thanks to you, I have learned that was wrong thinking on my part.
I do have one question, Howie. Do you ever sleep?
I want to thank Howie for setting-up this forum today and FireDogLake for your hospitality. Thank you all for your comments, kind words, encouragement, and all that you do behind the scenes. Howie and and FDL help get you fired-up, but you carry the ball. For those questions or comments that I missed or didn’t fully answer, I apologize, as this was a new experience for me. Thanks again for the opportunity, sorry I didn’t go the full 15 rounds, but I will be back and in contact with DWT and FDL. I’m signing off, now.
David
Howie Klein @
164
If we don’t know the specifics, it’s damn near impossible to tag Emanuel with his viciousness - the sumbitch really needs to be brought to heel, and the sooner Pelosi realizes that she can’t afford this kind of association, the better - beltway dems really need to learn that they are out of touch, and we really need the specifics to publicize Emanuel’s evil.
Obviously the election results have yet to penetrate the beltway mindset.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 136
I’m not a Hillary fan, but I laugh at calling Bill Clinton 42 — after all, as we said yesterday, it is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Every time a Republican says “Democrat” when they should say “Democratic,” the response should contain the word “42″ just to piss ‘em off!
Howie Klein @
164
Jeez, Howie - Rahm and Steny must love you enough by now to have Howie Klein dartboards.
I’m putting a Rahm Emanuel dart board in my office when I get back to work. Right next to the very perforated Don Young dart board.
HotFlash @
108
Mme Speaker has her own plane, so we don’t have to worry about that.
jinny @ 174
Private planes are a lot more dangerous than commercial aviation. And some people who don’t line their hats with tinfoil think the circumstances around Wellstone’s death are suspicious. That crash was just too, too convenient.
BC
I am somewhat confused… He obviously doesn’t have “Ned”-type money because he’s a school teacher-
So! Where did this money come from?
He did not spend every dollar he had received in campaign contributions trying to actually win the race?
OR-
The total of the donations from “Blue America” were so small that repaying them was essentially just another “petty cash” expenditure that didn’t have any larger impact on his overall campaign finances?
Knut Wicksell @ 17
No fucking way!!!!!!!!!
HotFlash @ 130
I live in his district and have threatened to have him rooted out if he doesn’t speak out, and promptly. He definitely leans progressive, but he also takes money from the military-industrial companies. One of them is located in Bethesda in my district.
DC Peaches
Howie Klein @
164
Howie - if you pop back into this thread (I missed a doozy while I was out on my bicycle), check your email! If you’ve got anything to add about Hoyer’s role in this, I’d like to post about it in HoyerBlog.
Howie Klein @ 35
Dr. P, it looks like the Republicans are Rahm have made a deal to sweep the whole Foley cover-up– as least as pertains to GOP and Dem leadership (himself)– under the rug– WAY UNDER THE RUG. They want to “move on.” Potentially this scandal should do in Hastert, Blunt, Boehner, Reynolds and at least Emanuel. But they’re trying to bury it.
four Republicans, one Democrat–sounds good to me
Siun @ 55
Another good PAC is Russ Feingold’s Progressive Patriots PAC, if you like it to be a little more personalized, but both of them sound good to me.
Howie Klein @ 106
That affair was just as bad–I was shocked this time, but was just as shocked the second time around
HotFlash @ 85
That money will be under my Congressman from MD-8’s control soon, and “rahmmie” will be as defenseless as pie
bg @ 112
No one sucks more than Hillary on Iraq. In my opinion she’s even worse than the only Neocon-Independent-Whatever-the-F%$k. In my mind neocons are more forgivable–they’re just really, really, really confused.
With Hillary, she refuses to stand for anything despite countless opportunities. As far as I’m concerned, she doesn’t belong in Congress.
She didn’t even allow her contender in the primary to debate her after being petitioned by her supposed party.
Any Democrat could have won her seat;
she might as well be a Republicat.
I’m sorry for Lutrin. He sounds like a decent guy. I do think Emanuel should be given a medal. I was absolutely furious when, in Ohio in 04, the Dems moved their support from Paul Hackett to a man they felt had a better chance to win.. The second man (name escapes me) did win a Republican seat. He beat Mike DeWine. Good political move on Emanuel’s part. Politics ain”t softball.
I am still waiting for Hackett to make another move WITH Dem support. He is a Iraq veteran, an officer who led men into battle there, loaded with charisma, a lawyer from Cincinnati who opposed he war and was extremely vocal about it. He also called Bush. “A soonofabitch” in a campaign speech which put him in my heart permanently Maybe in 2008. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.
When Emanuel was working for Clinton he earned the nickname Rhambo for his focus and I suppose we have to say his pretty ruthless ways. I think he just what the Dem party needs and I say rock on!