
David Lutrin has been a good friend to Blue America and has always been available and candid with us. He kept in great contact with us when he was running for Congress in FL-16 last summer, made several announcements about his campaign at Down With Tyranny and, after he withdrew from the race, he sent a note back to every single Blue America contributor-- along with a check for the amount they had donated to his campaign. Today Dave is joining us here at Firedoglake to talk about the nuts and bolts of the primary race he started but never finished in south Florida.
First a little background on the district and race. FL-16 wasn't exactly a district anyone was really targeting for a Democratic take over. It's a pretty Republican, rural district cutting right across the state from coast to coast, and it was represented by a fairly popular, well-entrenched incumbent, albeit a Bush rubber stamp. When school teacher and union member Dave Lutrin decided to run, it was because of his dismay with the occupation of Iraq and his dismay about how Bush had been running our country into the ground. He wanted something better for his young daughter and, as an idealistic and progressive Democrat, he decided Foley didn't merit a free ride to re-election. Not what you'd call a political insider, and severely un-financed, Dave vowed to give incumbent Mark Foley a grassroots race based on the day's burning issues, the kind of race that swept similar Democratic outsiders like Jerry McNerney, Carol Shea-Porter, John Yarmuth, Nancy Boyda, Chris Murphy, John Hall, Jason Altmire, Chris Carney, Patrick Murphy, Bruce Braley and Paul Hodes into office in November.
Early on in the process-- in mid-2005-- Dave contacted Democratic Party organizations throughout the district, as well as the state party and the DCCC in Washington. Everyone was enthusiastic and encouraging. Glen Rushing, the DCCC point person for the region, told Dave he was "just the type of candidate we're looking for." He offered to introduce him to Alabama Congressman Artur Davis, the DCCC-appointed mentor for Democratic candidates in the region, who following their first phone conversation offered to help him with his race. Rushing then promised to get him in touch with Florida DCCC chief, Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Emanuel's lieutenant for the Southeast.
Then something happened, something very dark and secretive, something people are just uncovering now. DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel found out something that could-- and did-- change the dynamics of the race in FL-16 dramatically. Emanuel became aware that Mark Foley-- well-known for years Inside-The-Beltway, albeit not among his church-going constituents, as a very active (and very hypocritical) homosexual-- was molesting the underage male congressional pages, and that he had been for many years. Did Emanuel call the police? Did he even call the staffers who are charged by Congress with looking out for the welfare of the pages? Doesn't look that way. What it does look like is that he called a fast-and-loose Republican businessman he knew, someone, like Emanuel, with elastic values and an even more elastic code of personal ethics. He offered him a congressional seat and all he'd have to do was switch party registration and become a Democrat. That man is freshman Congressman Tim Mahoney.
Suddenly there was a new DCCC point person, John Vogel, and he had no idea who Dave was. Rushing called and suggested Dave talk to someone named... Tim Mahoney. Dave did. And Mahoney offered him an intricate bribe to drop out of the race and run against Republican Bill Young in FL-10 instead. Dave Lutrin never had a single conversation with Rahm Emanuel. But Emanuel's paw finger prints are all over this operation. It's the way he worked in district after district, everywhere in the country, seeking to find business-friendly, quasi-Republicans who would soft-peddle their opposition to the war in Iraq and never mention "impeachment." Many of us have experienced first hand Emanuel's tactics in CA-11, FL-13, and IL-06 to name a few. Scared of career-ending retribution, virtually no Democrats have been willing to go on the record about DCCC practices that are at variance with internal party rules. Dave has no such fears. Please help me welcome Dave Lutrin as our first Blue America guest of 2007.
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HOWIE!
Good morning, firepups!
Florida is truly a political swamp.
Welcome to Firedoglake, Dave!
Well, it’s Florida. From what I hear, that’s pretty much par for the course! Welcome, to the Lake, David!
It usually take a few minutes for everyone to read the post. I’m sure people will want to get into the specifics.
Dave, how closely did you follow the race after you pulled out?
I want to thank Howie for all of the work that he has done to bring truth to America and for giving me this opportunity today to respond to any questions or comments that you may have.
I followed the race very closely. Many of my supporters kept in contact with, so I knew most of what was happening with Mahoney.
Wowie, Howie, Blue-America here is one of the most important weekly events in American politics.
Howie’s contempt for Rahm Emanuel will not subside.
Welcome to fdl, David.
What was happening with Mahoney?
My condolences. Most of us have only been figuratively kicked in the teeth by Rahm Emanuel’s situational political ethics. It’s got to be tough to be a direct victim of these kinds of shenanigans.
OMG. I am SO sorry, Dave, this is NOT how democracy is suppose to work, with the stench of smoke-filled back rooms hanging over everything.
I hope you will continue to watch for opportunities to run; we will have to be come more organized to support and protect candidates like you from “machine politics,” particularly that portion that does not have the interests of the American public at heart (ahem, Lieberman…).
If there are FirePups in Rahm’s district reading this, are there any grassroots candidates starting to surface to primary against Rahm? He is toast in my book.
Dave, how big a surprise was it to you when it became public that Foley was messing around with the underage male pages? And later, how big of a surprise was it to you that Emanuel seems to have known about Foley and the pages as long ago as 2005 (if not before)?
What can we do to help uncover the slimy underbelly of Rahm’s “operation” and make it go away?
Is there any chance Speaker Pelosi would side with us — Or is that too much of a political hot potato?
Mahoney was flip-flopping throughout the district. District 16 covers parts of 8 counties in Florida, mostly, agricultural, conservative counties that are inland, but a couple of the counties are on the coasts and are more progressive. On the coasts, Mahoney was pro-choice, but inland he was pro-life.
I didn’t know this story. It makes me sick. But it also shows that Rahm knows exactly what’s up. It’s a power struggle for control of the Democratic Party in the medium term. This is going to be a tought fight, and the worst of it is, we have to stick together with slime like him to defeat the greater enemy on the Right.
Rayne @ 13
Rahm would have to go even if it weren’t becoming clear that he knew about and played La Cage aux Foley for political gain. But since it seems he did, he needs to get smacked down right along with the Republicans involved.
Welcome Dave, we really need to know stuff like this for planning ahead. Not only are there still a whole lot of R’s who need to be challenged, but there are a lot of D’s who need to get shaken out in the primaries.
What have we learned from 2006? How can we get around this?
I apologize for responding so slowly, but this is my first time doing this sort of thing, so I will try to answer each comment as quickly as I can.
But Rahm IS our greater enemy to the Right!
Jacqrat @ 15
Jacquie, I think there will be a lot said about the relationship between Emanuel and Pelosi as time goes by. He seems an integral part of her operation on the one hand but he seems to undermine her on the other hand (like on the Hoyer v Murtha thing and by feeding the mass media freshmen reps who undercut her positions and bolster his own far less progressive and far more Republican-lite positions). It will be an interesting one to watch.
Welcome to FDL David! It’s an honor to have you with us!
Dave, thanks for your courage and integrity -
and Howie, thanks for your amazing work.
Both of you - and people like you - give me hope that we citizens will take back control of our government from Rahm and the Money Party.
Knut Wicksell (17) — I don’t know about the stick-together part. The danger is even greater ahead; how many times has Rahm now planted a DINO where a real grassroots Dem should be, and how will these DINO’s vote on bills like Leahy’s War Profiteering Act?
Rahm needs the screws put to him and HARD. NOW.
Yes, I will run again. I will probably run for something statewide in’08 for some more name recognition and then wait until 2012 when Florida gets 2 or 3 more Congressional seats and take another shot at the House.
David Lutrin @ 20
You’re doing fine. It’s a different kind of real time interaction, though, isn’t it?
How long do think it will take Emanuel to move against net neutrality? Progress Blogs are his enemy and the enemy of corp. America, his masters. We will be his undoing.
Rayne @ 25
Which can be done by tarring him with the Foley brush along with his GOP co-conspirators.
The Democratic Party should make it clear that Rham Emanuel will not dance The Red Shoes tonight — or any other night! If they don’t you can kiss oversight, reform or anything else requiring alteration of the Republican status quo goodbye.
Howie, just for the record, I would love to see a scorechart of Blue America candidates supported and won/lost, ditto 50-state and Rahm’s candidates. He keeps being described as ‘architect of the Dem takeover’ and such, sure would be handy to have something to link to in letters to ed and comments to WaPo and CNN and such.
PS If such a chart doesn’t exist, I’ll research and post it.
After everything I’ve learned during the campaign, nothing surprises me anymore. So, when I found out that Raum knew everything in ‘05, it didn’t surprise me, it just disgusted me. As far as Foley was concerned, nothing surprised me. The worst thing about the entire incident with Emmanuel and the DCCC basically fixing the District 16 race was that anybody could have won that seat.
David and Howie,
This past year was one of the few election cycles that have really excited me and pulled me in beyond my local & regional races. It was primarily because of the unabashed progressive/liberal nature of so many candidates running as well as the sheer evil being opposed (Allen, Burns, Santorum etc.)
I don’t really have a question. Sadly, every forensic electoral analysis of Florida I’ve ever done has only dampened what passion I am able to muster for the national political process.
I do want to say, however, I really appreciate the work that you folks are doing to reform the Democratic party, especially at the national level. The DLC punching bags and other Democratic (GOP-lite) enablers do not lead voters away from the GOP and they are no-talents when it comes to slowing the GOP march to madness.
The type of work Blue America and Blue America candidates do is a full frontal assault to the part of the problem that we Democrats need to, and do, own. Thanks!
slainte,
cl
Rayne @ 25
My question exactly. If the Dems are owned by the same people as the R’s, then everything we do is just busy-work to keep us quiet and impecunious.
EvilDrPuma @ 29
Which can be done by tarring him with the Foley brush along with his GOP co-conspirators.
Dr. P, it looks like the Republicans are Rahm have made a deal to sweep the whole Foley cover-up– as least as pertains to GOP and Dem leadership (himself)– under the rug– WAY UNDER THE RUG. They want to “move on.” Potentially this scandal should do in Hastert, Blunt, Boehner, Reynolds and at least Emanuel. But they’re trying to bury it.
David Lutrin @
26
Excellent!
HotFlash @ 34
Great Foley animation on Bob Geiger’s blog today: by Handlesman at the bottom of the Saturday Cartoons post - scroll down
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
David - take your time, things zip along here but we’re mighty patient with guests coz we really appreciate your work.
David Lutrin @
26
Woo Hoo!
Hotflash,
We can’t give up.
And we WON’T give up!
News that David will run again is great - and one of the reasons we are committed to build an ongoing BlueAmerica team so we can support the careers of *real progressive candidates!*
Howie and Dave,
I would think that one solution is to scout and promote our own candidates. BlueAmerica and ActBlue allow us to fund candidated directly, and the hand-on and grassroots approach generates votes at a much more efficient rate than just throwing bucks at a district.
Howie, you have done a fabulous job finding guys like Dave and, in MI, Tony Trupiano (I’, in MI-10, next door to Tony). How do we find our own Dave’s and Tony’s? Especially, what questions do you ask and what do they have to answer? If somebody is not 100% ideal but better than the alternative(s), can they still get BlueAmerica help?
HotFlash @ 31
I’d be very interested in a chart like that. Quite a few articles have been written about it on Down With Tyranny. A chart would be great.
People like you and Bill Durston who ran against Dan Lungren in CA give this country hope and possibility. I so appreciate the work you have done.
Dave,
It is a pleasure to meet you. I’d learned a little bit about the goings-on in Fl-16 from Howie previously. It is very unfortunate and exactly the sort of thing we need to stop. The citizens need to be allowed to chose who their representatives are, not the party power brokers. Certainly there needs to be a vetting process but ultimately it is We the People that make the decisions.
I am glad to read that you intend to stay involved and run for office. May I ask what, regardless of what office you end up running for, what are the sort of things you personally would like to be able to accomplish via elective office?
Peace,
Andrew
p.s. as a New Yorker likely to lose one of those congressional seats to Florida I have a sorta vested interest in making sure you Floridians elect our type of representative.
David Lutrin @ 40
Don’t worry, I don’t intend to give up. What I intend is an end-run ;)
Hi Howie and David –
This story is disgusting and so sadly not shocking. Purging the DLC from the real Democratic Party is hard work!
Siun @ 42
Does this mean that the Blue America PAC is taking donations at the moment?
By the way folks… it is January 7 and 65 degrees here in the mountains of upstate New York.
Howie Klein @ 44
Yer on. I’ll let you know when I have it done (ish).
For many years I lived in Williston, Fl., about 30 miles south of Gainesville. I now teach in a rural public high school in my native state of Oklahoma. I anticipate improvements for our children, in the public school system, now that the Dems have control of Congress. Would you care to comment on what benefits our kids might expect when the Democrats recapture the WH in 2008?
Howie,
Along those lines, the new ethics rules are not enough. The Dems still need a few weeks of hearings on WHY the old ethics laws allowed so many felonies to go unchecked. There is a great deal more of GOP smearing (public education) that needs to occur.
It is one thing for the Dems to say they will run a cleaner congress which I fully expect. We also need an airing of the wrongdoing of the last 12 years of Gingrich/Hastert/Delay etc. bribery, extortion and other corrupt practices. The American people need to be reminded why we are in this mess.
Otherwise ABC will do a documentary “The Path To Ethics” explaining how Tom Delay tried to push ethical reforms in 2004-5, but was stopped by Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders.
cl
LindaR @ 49
The PAC is open for donations. Thanks for asking, Siun
LindaR - here we go - the BlueAmerica Pac page:
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08
I’m setting up a monthly contribution (small but regular) to help us build towards ‘08!
EvilDrPuma — oh definitely, lambaste Rahm with that very big Foley brush. Soccer moms do NOT like their kids put at risk, or the threats brushed under the carpet. I think what’s called for here is some big media; note how curiously absent coverage is on the Foley fallout and subsequent report. Hmm.
HotFlash — much of the candidate selection process is really up to us. We have even bigger problems in MI-4, no candidates in sight, will have to look with a fine tooth comb for one. (Not to mention that our local party’s Candidate Development organization has been an utter joke, DINO in charge who prides himself on not being able to turn on a computer.) I’ve even considered enticing one from another district to move here. We all need to help our local DFA and local parties’ Candidate Development to find, recruit and groom candidates, and have the discussion upfront about interlopers and non-local machine politics interference. All politics are local, remember?
I want to bring three words to whatever office I seek in the future: ethics, ethics, and ethics.
Not the bull that the 110th is debating now, but public financing of political campaigns, espescially, the U.S. House, so that real Americans who are in touch with the masses can play on a level playing field and have a shot at representing the people. America deserves that. The Constitution demands it.
David Lutrin @ 57
Good answer.
Siun @ 55
I can only do small right now too, but I just gave $25!
What Caoimhin Laochdha said at 53.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 52
Until high-stakes testing is de-emphasized, and NCLB is repealed or completely redrawn, you won’t see much change.
Great LindaR!
I set up for $25 a month - any Firepups wanna match me?
It feels real good to invest in a progressive future! and one that speaks for us!
This whole story just shows explicitly how bad little rahmmie is. Again, so many people who came out of Bill Clinton’s administration turned out to be rethug-lite. Let’s hope that Nancy Pelosi can get a better grip on the party, but I’m not overly optimistic since she seems to be strongly favoring bipartisan cooperation, and no impeachment.
David - good point on NCLB! I am so grateful my kids are both past school age since this is such a disaster for our children!
Andrew C. White @ 50
It’s 80 here in Florida…Global warming.
Back to David –
I don’t know if it helps to hear this, but I get angry when I read about was Rahm Emanuel did to you. It’s just. plain. wrong. And it pisses me off to hear myself saying to myself “oh, you are so naive.”
So thank you. Thank you for running. Thank you for not backing down in the face of skulduggery. I could not run for office in a million years (with my history) so I admire you.
And I suspect there are a lot of us ready to contribute to your next campaign.
BearCountry @ 63
I have a feeling Nancy Pelosi is going to surprise us — in a good way.
David Lutrin @ 3
Welcome to FDL, from the western end of the same swamp (Southeast Louisiana, LA-02). You just said the magic words for me: Ethics, Ethics, and Ethics! Indeed!
BearCountry @ 63
Impeachment needs to be back on the table. We are a country of laws (or we used to be) and Bush broke the law, period.
Rayne @ 56
Yes indeedy, Rayne, hence my specific questions at 43. OTOH, a little coordination is nice, or I’d just vote indisputably-moral Green, if you see what I mean. I would prefer my local bit to actually make a diff when it got to DC, though.
But, I am not an organization type, and I don’t propose to drive 5 hours to have a beer with somebody in Flint to get an answer to a question that could be answered in 5 min on the phone or Toobz. As El Gato would say, So.
Yes! I am so frustrated by the idea that we should compromise the rule of law to accomodate political considerations - of any sort.
Impeachable offenses need impeachment or we kiss our constitution good bye!
I guess this is not a story that MSM would like to out. However, I think Greg Palast would like this. I will send him the link to this, hope it will be available in archives for a while so he can see it. Then he will be able to go directly to the sources–Howie and David for more.
David Lutrin @ 61
That’s precisely the answer I was looking for.
bg - we keep all our archives and you can always find them by clicking on the Blue America category on the list of topics.
David Lutrin @
65
It’s 60 in the Green Mountains of northern Vermont. I played frisbee with my dog today on green grass!
David,
We may get a bit off topic here from FL-16, which is the nature of the blog beast. Please understand that is our nature and does reflect at all on how much we appreciate and respect the efforts and sacrifice you are making in Florida, not just for FL-16, but for all of us.
slainte,
cl
Great. I hope Greg will go for this. I think it is exactly the stuff he likes to do, and anything Florida, well, he’s been there, done that.
LindaR @ 66
Thank you for your comments. I was very naive when I jumped into the race head first, but it was something that I needed to to, for my daughter and for my country. I made some mistakes, mistakes that I won’t make next time. The one thing that I will not change, even if it costs me the race, is my integrity. I will not sellout my principles. I will not change my views or beliefs…what you see, is what you get. Either vote for me, or don’t.
I have to run Dave but I wish you luck in your endeavors. We need people getting into politics for the right reasons.
One last question, do you have, are you building, friends and supporters in the political swamp? Will there be support for your run for state office or will there be an attempt to lock you out of that as well?
David Lutrin @ 57
LindaR @ 67
I agree - so much so that I’m sporting a button these days on my jacket and a bumpersticker on my jalopy.Pelosi for President 2007 (grin)
HotFlash @
60
I’ll second that, HotFlash. Are there ways we can push for a re-opening of the ethics probe concluded during the lame duck session?
still zero degrees F here in Palmer, Alaska.
I guess I do have time for one more question.
Dave… I’m curious about this comment by Howie:
Can you expand on this without getting into things that are better left unsaid on a public blog?
I recall Rahm Emmanuel being asked point blank if he knew about Foley prior to the NBC revelations. And he said “No”. How he could cram so much calculation into one word I do not know, but I did know he was lying. How can we claim moral superiority when it is just a game of tit for tat?
Thank you David Lutrin for STANDING FOR SOMETHING. Your strategy of running for one of the new districts to be awarded to Florida is the best idea I can imagine, and I hope we serve you as well as you deserve.
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 75
Thanks,
When I began the race, I stressed in my speeches that this election wasn’t about District 16, it was bigger than that. It was about our country and our country’s future. We needed this seat to gain control on Congress to put Bush on a shorter leash so that he couldn’t do so much damage until 2008 or until we impeached him, whichever came first.
Siun @ 71
Having just finished Glenn Greenwald’s book this morning, I must agree in the strongest possible terms. Bush is a lawbreaker, and he MUST be held to account for it.
BearCountry @ 63
Denny said bipartisan and it meant R way.
Nancy says bipartisan — we’ll just have to wait to see what it means. As frustrating as it is, I think that a lot of what she says is for Them, not us. Now that I have heard Mme Speaker, I can believe she’d set up the investigations, the R’s will fall all over themselves to impeach the Chimp before he tanks *their* chances in 2008, and she’ll just smile a big, innocent “Who me?” smile.
Also, re snapping Rahm into line, she does not have ultimate authority just because she is Speaker. Rahm as DCCC has control of a shit-load of money — although Howie and ActBlue and Howard Dean et al. are undermining that — hah!) and Steny will probably back Rahm over Nancy if it comes to a fight. Also, all this party in-fighting has to happen out in full view. The R’s can still count on the media to not see the damnedest obvious things, but Fox and the crew will disect Mme Nancy’s every move and Rahm will leak like a baby to them.
NCLB is a Republican sham. Designed to place blame on teachers and their unions (a group of hard working and concerned professionals the Bush Administration regard as enemies) for the Bush failure in addressing our children’s educational needs. NCLB was, and remains, an ugly and selfish PR political ploy on the part of the Republican party.
David, would you support impeachment of Bush and/or Cheney - in the near term?
Ed*ard Teller @
80
HotFlash and ET,
Not just the Foley whitewash from last seesion. I’m referring to Duke Cunningham and Chairman Hairjob from Ohio, Tom Delay and the Marianna Islands, Jack Abramoff et al.
Democratic chairs are in a position to subpeona those jokers from prison and have the fed marshalls deliver Ney & Cunningham to the committee for questioning.
The public needs to understand what laws were broken, how they were broken, AND WHY the existing ethics laws did not work. Then the Democrats can explain why they passed the new legislation. Right now, all they are saying is “we are cleaner.” That is not enough. The Democrats need to parade these people in front of a committee and say “They are filthy.”
slainte,
cl
David Lutrin @ 77
That is so good to hear, it is meat and drink. So many of my friends told me they didn’t care about politics because everyone was corrupt. In my book, the major failure of the Dem part for the past, what 25 years, has been not providing anyone for those of us who love our country to vote for. Me too, just got back into it this year. Thanks to Jane, Howie, and everyone at FDL.
Andrew C. White @ 81
The details will be in my book (if I ever get to writing it) but, the very first time that I met Tim, he was very well prepared (by the DCCC) and offered me a deal with considerable value to vacate the race in District 16, so that he wouldn’t have to spend any money on a primary against me, and I should run in District 10 against Bill Young, who was unopposed, at that time.
newspaperbrat @ 87
I think that was what he meant when he said he was wearing a button that says Pelosi for Prez, ‘07.
Rahm is a bad Democratic egg. But I’d still like to know what the DLC does for my party (Dems).
Um, they offered to buy you a house in another district?
newspaperbrat @ 87
Yes, I would. First, as incentive, I would hold it over their heads to get our troops out of Iraq, NOW.
Hmm, any idea why they wanted you in 10 and leave Tim M in 16? If both winnable, why did they want 16 so bad?
OT - Dems Prepare Slew of Oversight Hearings
bg @ 93
You don’t have to live in the district that you represent. I didn’t live in 16. I moved 1 mile out of 16 and into 22. Mahoney doesn’t live in 16, either. The law states that you don’t even have to live in the state that you are running in until election day, but it is start politics to live in the district that you are representing. Mahoney uses the address of his tax-shelter “cattle ranch”, which is in 16.
Something I view as one of the largest problems in our political system today is that corporations have been given “rights” that are sometimes on par with — if not surpassing — those of regular human-being-type citizens. Do you have any ideas on how to go about curbing the power of corporations? Is campaign finance reform (no more “one dollar, one vote”!) the best place to start?
It is incredible to me that Rahm E thought he could just move candidates around from one district to another.
That sort of “carpetbagging” even in a localized area never flies with voters. People see it as a scam, and it is an increasingly uphill battle from then on.
twolf1 @
96
On a related note: Republicans prepare a slew of going-away parties for Harriet Miers.
cl
Impeachment? I support it. Now for the hard part. How do we get around the ’super majority’ thing?
HotFlash @ 95