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		<title>By: markm8128</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/what-i-listen-to-the-generals-means/#comment-444482</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 05:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Help get this right-wing fool thrown off the air!!!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Didn’t CNN get the message from the last election….that the American public has rejected the right-wing extremist agenda?&lt;br /&gt;
Why is CNN giving prime-time every night to the ultra-right-wing extremist, &lt;b&gt;Glenn Beck&lt;/b&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please take just 10 seconds to &lt;b&gt;click on this link and send a message to  CNN &lt;/b&gt;telling them we don’t want the airwaves innundated by this idiotic&lt;br /&gt;
low-grade right-wing propaganda!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?69&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?69&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Didn’t CNN get the message from the last election….that the American public has rejected the right-wing extremist agenda?<br />
Why is CNN giving prime-time every night to the ultra-right-wing extremist, <b>Glenn Beck</b>?</p>
<p>Please take just 10 seconds to <b>click on this link and send a message to  CNN </b>telling them we don’t want the airwaves innundated by this idiotic<br />
low-grade right-wing propaganda!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?69">http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?69</a></p>
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		<title>By: MinorRipper</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two more years, two more year, two more years…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two more years, two more year, two more years…<br />
<a href="http://www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com">http://www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 04:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush and Cheney need some brown-nose officers in place to implement their next “escalation” of hostilities in the Middle East.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any nukes in the area are probably on U.S. naval vessels in the Persian Gulf. Thus, a brown-nosing Admiral is chosen to head CentCom, probably because he’ll blindly follow orders to nuke Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wow, we’ve definitely come a long way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;President Truman fired Gen. Douglas MacArthur because he proposed nuking the Red Chinese during the Korean War.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, Bush has chosen an Admiral who will follow orders and drop the first nukes since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Democrats, now in charge of Congress, should immediately call these brown-nose generals before them and ask them some very, very tough questions, before Bush and Cheney do something even more stupid and deranged than their starting an unnecessary war with Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush and Cheney need some brown-nose officers in place to implement their next “escalation” of hostilities in the Middle East.</p>
<p>Any nukes in the area are probably on U.S. naval vessels in the Persian Gulf. Thus, a brown-nosing Admiral is chosen to head CentCom, probably because he’ll blindly follow orders to nuke Iran.</p>
<p>Wow, we’ve definitely come a long way.</p>
<p>President Truman fired Gen. Douglas MacArthur because he proposed nuking the Red Chinese during the Korean War.</p>
<p>Now, Bush has chosen an Admiral who will follow orders and drop the first nukes since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.</p>
<p>Democrats, now in charge of Congress, should immediately call these brown-nose generals before them and ask them some very, very tough questions, before Bush and Cheney do something even more stupid and deranged than their starting an unnecessary war with Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Youffraita</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/what-i-listen-to-the-generals-means/#comment-444286</link>
		<dc:creator>Youffraita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443842&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;john in california @&lt;br /&gt;
                20              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is the old ‘lose the forest in the trees’ game. Getting everybody to look and debate over which shrub will make for a perfect Christmas, maybe nobody will notice that the fire they lit now has them surrounded. What a pile of shit. All of them have one obvious, even if they think it is ulterior, motive : Cover My Ass. “Train up, surge up, throw up but just don’t blame me!” is all the military brass is thinking now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only, I wonder:  Is it possible that the generals recognize all the damage he has done to the military and are willing to forestall further damage by limiting the number of troops they will commit?  We all know he has broken the U.S. Army; the brass must know this better than anyone.  Could we be seeing a defiance in this demurral?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-443842"><em>john in california @<br />
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<blockquote><p>This is the old ‘lose the forest in the trees’ game. Getting everybody to look and debate over which shrub will make for a perfect Christmas, maybe nobody will notice that the fire they lit now has them surrounded. What a pile of shit. All of them have one obvious, even if they think it is ulterior, motive : Cover My Ass. “Train up, surge up, throw up but just don’t blame me!” is all the military brass is thinking now.</p>
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<p>Only, I wonder:  Is it possible that the generals recognize all the damage he has done to the military and are willing to forestall further damage by limiting the number of troops they will commit?  We all know he has broken the U.S. Army; the brass must know this better than anyone.  Could we be seeing a defiance in this demurral?</p>
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		<title>By: kairos in cal</title>
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		<dc:creator>kairos in cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443857&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bargain Countertenor @ 35 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443847&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;perris, I would add one to your excellent list of questions:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
WHOSE&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt; sacrifice?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Teddy, I can do no better than quote Lloyd George (in the Norway Debate in the House of Commons, May 1940.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is not a question of who are the Prime Minister’s friends.  …He [Chamberlain] has appealed for sacrifice. The nation is prepared for every sacrifice so long as it has leadership. … I say solemnly that the Prime Minister should give an example of sacrifice because there is nothing which can contribute more to victory in this war than that he should sacrifice the seals of office.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His resignation (and the resignation of his appointed officers) is the only satisfactory sacrifice George can make.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BC&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Short of that, I commend &lt;b&gt;Impeach for &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;Peace, &lt;/b&gt;Do it yourself impeachment   process info. I don’t have the site but enter the above for search. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Welcome back Scarecrow.  You’ve been missed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pray for peace.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-443847"><em>TeddySanFran @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>perris, I would add one to your excellent list of questions:<br />
<b><em><br />
WHOSE</em></b> sacrifice?</p>
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<p>Teddy, I can do no better than quote Lloyd George (in the Norway Debate in the House of Commons, May 1940.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is not a question of who are the Prime Minister’s friends.  …He [Chamberlain] has appealed for sacrifice. The nation is prepared for every sacrifice so long as it has leadership. … I say solemnly that the Prime Minister should give an example of sacrifice because there is nothing which can contribute more to victory in this war than that he should sacrifice the seals of office.</p>
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<p>His resignation (and the resignation of his appointed officers) is the only satisfactory sacrifice George can make.</p>
<p>BC</p>
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<p>Short of that, I commend <b>Impeach for </b><b>Peace, </b>Do it yourself impeachment   process info. I don’t have the site but enter the above for search. </p>
<p>Welcome back Scarecrow.  You’ve been missed.</p>
<p>Pray for peace.</p>
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		<title>By: johnSwifty</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443989&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @&lt;br /&gt;
                               117              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bill O’ talks out his ass: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Bill_OReilly_calls_antiwar_activist_lunatic_0105.html&quot;&gt;http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0105.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God, I heard Bill’s rant this morning on the Stephanie Miller show.  I’ve heard he has this history of bringing on lightweight leftists guests just so he can berate them (what a coward), but this woman did nothing other than state her point.  I wonder why people have ever given that fool any credence?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-443989"><em>Lou Costello @<br />
                               117              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bill O’ talks out his ass: <a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Bill_OReilly_calls_antiwar_activist_lunatic_0105.html">http://www.rawstory.com/news/2&#8230;.._0105.html</a></p>
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<p>God, I heard Bill’s rant this morning on the Stephanie Miller show.  I’ve heard he has this history of bringing on lightweight leftists guests just so he can berate them (what a coward), but this woman did nothing other than state her point.  I wonder why people have ever given that fool any credence?</p>
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		<title>By: OldCoastie</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldCoastie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444027&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cujo359 @&lt;br /&gt;
                120              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443983&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 115  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Patrick McHenry (R-Whinnerland) is on the c-span…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what’s he? the new R hatchetman?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s the new Jean Schmidt - willing to say “what needs to be said” so that he can attract attention to himself. At least, that’s my guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yeah, that sounds right…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-444027"><em>Cujo359 @<br />
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-443983"><em>OldCoastie @ 115  </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Patrick McHenry (R-Whinnerland) is on the c-span…</p>
<p>what’s he? the new R hatchetman?</p>
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<p>He’s the new Jean Schmidt &#8211; willing to say “what needs to be said” so that he can attract attention to himself. At least, that’s my guess.</p>
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<p>yeah, that sounds right…</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443983&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 115  &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Patrick McHenry (R-Whinnerland) is on the c-span…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what’s he? the new R hatchetman?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s the new Jean Schmidt - willing to say “what needs to be said” so that he can attract attention to himself. At least, that’s my guess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-443983"><em>OldCoastie @ 115  </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Patrick McHenry (R-Whinnerland) is on the c-span…</p>
<p>what’s he? the new R hatchetman?</p>
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<p>He’s the new Jean Schmidt &#8211; willing to say “what needs to be said” so that he can attract attention to himself. At least, that’s my guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi scarecrow, these are good observations and questions. I don’t know where the outrage is, either. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know why they chose a naval aviator to run CENTCOM. Your speculation may be the right one - I’m hoping instead that it’s just because he agrees with Bush about what to do in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wrote a couple of days ago on my blog that we were going to have to impeach Bush in order to get out of Iraq before 2009. I was expecting at least a few remarks along the lines of “Do you really think that’s necessary? Can’t we …?” Instead, nothing, nada. It’s like we here on this side of the political spectrum accept this already, and any folks who are in the middle and reasonable are probably wondering if that’s what it might come down to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi scarecrow, these are good observations and questions. I don’t know where the outrage is, either. </p>
<p>I don’t know why they chose a naval aviator to run CENTCOM. Your speculation may be the right one &#8211; I’m hoping instead that it’s just because he agrees with Bush about what to do in Iraq.</p>
<p>I wrote a couple of days ago on my blog that we were going to have to impeach Bush in order to get out of Iraq before 2009. I was expecting at least a few remarks along the lines of “Do you really think that’s necessary? Can’t we …?” Instead, nothing, nada. It’s like we here on this side of the political spectrum accept this already, and any folks who are in the middle and reasonable are probably wondering if that’s what it might come down to.</p>
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		<title>By: johnSwifty</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-443882&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @&lt;br /&gt;
                               58              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Bush has already failed in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hugh,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you are right, of course, as you frequently are and this is the absolute truth of the matter — the Iraq occupation IS already a failure and that fact is readily known to most lucid thinking people.  I should amend my statements to state more succinctly that I am sincerely concerned about allowing this administration to slink away from this failure before the absolute collapse of the occupation (a dangerous fighting retreat as SteveG has outlined several times); because, if that comes to pass, the remaining 29% of non-lucid thinking people will somehow find a way to lay that blame at the feet of those who preside over the inevitable, undeniable and incontrovertible defeat of the American forces.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that enough real statesmanship over the next 2-4 years will result in a circumstance whereby the American occupation can admit a defeat and leave in a protracted, organized and humiliated fashion.  That is what I believe will result in the fewest deaths on all sides.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I fear from a reality whereby those events come to pass is that, a) CheneyCo and the authoritarians he represents will live to revise history and fight with other people’s children another day; and b), the geo-political importance of that fertile crescent will be wide open for an Iranian/Russian/Chinese contingency to rush in and take control.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the long run, I believe that the negatives of situation b) will be outweighed by necessarily forcing the mother of invention upon the American public when we must move away from a petroleum based economy.  But those ramifications would be, at best a score of years into the future (a full baker’s dozen of years further than the average conservative thinker can even conceive).  Still, that would probably be about a decade sooner than the juggernaut of Global Warming forces the American public to that realization, so maybe it will be a net gain.  If so, those will be thirty tough years for America.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My romantic heart longs to have me imagine that the necessity of invention and survival for America in those intervening years will be spear headed and driven by some of the brave young souls who’s lives will be spared by taking the more protracted retreat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If allowing CheneyCo to escape the immediate embarrassment of a complete collapse in the Iraq occupation is the price that needs to be paid now to save more kids lives, then I would make that choice.  I just want someone to assure me that it is a valid syllogism and not just my usual naive supposition.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-443882"><em>Hugh @<br />
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Bush has already failed in Iraq.</p>
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<p>Hugh,</p>
<p>you are right, of course, as you frequently are and this is the absolute truth of the matter — the Iraq occupation IS already a failure and that fact is readily known to most lucid thinking people.  I should amend my statements to state more succinctly that I am sincerely concerned about allowing this administration to slink away from this failure before the absolute collapse of the occupation (a dangerous fighting retreat as SteveG has outlined several times); because, if that comes to pass, the remaining 29% of non-lucid thinking people will somehow find a way to lay that blame at the feet of those who preside over the inevitable, undeniable and incontrovertible defeat of the American forces.   </p>
<p>I think that enough real statesmanship over the next 2-4 years will result in a circumstance whereby the American occupation can admit a defeat and leave in a protracted, organized and humiliated fashion.  That is what I believe will result in the fewest deaths on all sides.</p>
<p>What I fear from a reality whereby those events come to pass is that, a) CheneyCo and the authoritarians he represents will live to revise history and fight with other people’s children another day; and b), the geo-political importance of that fertile crescent will be wide open for an Iranian/Russian/Chinese contingency to rush in and take control.   </p>
<p>In the long run, I believe that the negatives of situation b) will be outweighed by necessarily forcing the mother of invention upon the American public when we must move away from a petroleum based economy.  But those ramifications would be, at best a score of years into the future (a full baker’s dozen of years further than the average conservative thinker can even conceive).  Still, that would probably be about a decade sooner than the juggernaut of Global Warming forces the American public to that realization, so maybe it will be a net gain.  If so, those will be thirty tough years for America.   </p>
<p>My romantic heart longs to have me imagine that the necessity of invention and survival for America in those intervening years will be spear headed and driven by some of the brave young souls who’s lives will be spared by taking the more protracted retreat.</p>
<p>If allowing CheneyCo to escape the immediate embarrassment of a complete collapse in the Iraq occupation is the price that needs to be paid now to save more kids lives, then I would make that choice.  I just want someone to assure me that it is a valid syllogism and not just my usual naive supposition.</p>
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