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	<title>Comments on: Late Nite FDL: Spocko vs. The Rat</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445720</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Be The Media used audio clips and transcripts from Michael Weiner’s “The Savage Nation” in an official objection to the FCC during KNEW 910AM’s radio station license renewal in 2005. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More here - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bethemedia.org/2005/11/objection_to_cl.html.&quot;&gt;http://www.bethemedia.org/2005.....o_cl.html.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The license was renewed anyway…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be The Media used audio clips and transcripts from Michael Weiner’s “The Savage Nation” in an official objection to the FCC during KNEW 910AM’s radio station license renewal in 2005. </p>
<p>More here &#8211; <a href="http://www.bethemedia.org/2005/11/objection_to_cl.html."></a><a href="http://www.bethemedia.org/2005.....o_cl.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bethemedia.org/2005&#8230;..o_cl.html</a>. </p>
<p>The license was renewed anyway…</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445671</link>
		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks for the links (got many from stevegilliard and crooksandliars as well…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just to clarify, i didn’t break the story, i read about it on another blog…can’t remember which one,sadly — might have been a DailyKos diary actually — but I think mine turns up somehow as the first trackback link. I believe Joe Conason wrote about the whole thing in Salon a month or so ago, on top of that!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, my take was really more on the branding angle (i.e. how both parties were trying to get the brand equity of the other to rub off on themselves) and how that backfired…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;keep on internettin’!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the links (got many from stevegilliard and crooksandliars as well…)</p>
<p>just to clarify, i didn’t break the story, i read about it on another blog…can’t remember which one,sadly — might have been a DailyKos diary actually — but I think mine turns up somehow as the first trackback link. I believe Joe Conason wrote about the whole thing in Salon a month or so ago, on top of that!</p>
<p>In any case, my take was really more on the branding angle (i.e. how both parties were trying to get the brand equity of the other to rub off on themselves) and how that backfired…</p>
<p>keep on internettin’!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445657</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 03:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444481&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;EvilDrPuma @&lt;br /&gt;
                47              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What do the call letters “KSFO” stand for, do you think? I’m guessing it’s “Klan! Shut it the Fuck Off!”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SFO are the initials for San Francisco Int’l Airport.  “San Francisco-Orlando”?  Doubtful.  San Francisco-Oakland you may be thinking?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some history of this very old station, for any who may care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bayarearadio.org/history/timeline_ksfo.shtml&quot;&gt;http://www.bayarearadio.org/hi.....ksfo.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What has happened to this station over the years is really sad.  I used to listen to it when I was a kid, they replayed a lot of the old classic radio shows like Mystery Theater and The Shadow, although the music they played was for old folks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good luck, Spocko, I’ll be writing to those sponsors myself.  Fuck the angry mouse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mark&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>What do the call letters “KSFO” stand for, do you think? I’m guessing it’s “Klan! Shut it the Fuck Off!”</p>
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<p>SFO are the initials for San Francisco Int’l Airport.  “San Francisco-Orlando”?  Doubtful.  San Francisco-Oakland you may be thinking?</p>
<p>Some history of this very old station, for any who may care.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bayarearadio.org/history/timeline_ksfo.shtml">http://www.bayarearadio.org/hi&#8230;..ksfo.shtml</a></p>
<p>What has happened to this station over the years is really sad.  I used to listen to it when I was a kid, they replayed a lot of the old classic radio shows like Mystery Theater and The Shadow, although the music they played was for old folks.</p>
<p>Good luck, Spocko, I’ll be writing to those sponsors myself.  Fuck the angry mouse.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Mad</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 02:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444672&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blogical Thought @&lt;br /&gt;
                227              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bottom line?  The guy took protected property without permission of others and he is not entitled to fair use, under the guidelines of fair use.  He basically stole someone else’s property and put it out into the public domain.  Further, he tried to suppress the free speech of the broadcasters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was his choice as to whether or not keep his account open.  He had seven days to comply with the order from his ISP to remove the copywritten material and he chose not to do it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Copywrites are to protect people who work hard and make investments in their creations.  What he did was the equivalent of stealing someone’s book and putting it into public domain, to steal someone’s music and put it on the public domain for free, to steal someone’s private property.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While there are many of the same individuals repeatedly posting on this blog, the majority of ethical bloggers do not agree with his sense of ethics or his twisted journalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He makes ethical bloggers, who like it or not, are journalists, look bad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As others here have pointed out, you don’t know much about Fair Use. As a video producer and as a board member of my local public access station, I’ve been involved in more Fair Use discussions than I care to recount. Bottom line? It’s up to the courts to decide what comprises legitimate use of &lt;b&gt;copyright&lt;/b&gt; (note spelling) material.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The question, however, is what gives these public statements copyright protection? I listened to a few of these pottymouth rants posted at Online Blogintegrity and I didn’t hear much beyond hate talk and threats to bodily harm (illegal) and uninspired blather. Is there something original about the content that gives it the status of “original work?” Pretty damn unoriginal thinking, if you ask me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Bottom line?  The guy took protected property without permission of others and he is not entitled to fair use, under the guidelines of fair use.  He basically stole someone else’s property and put it out into the public domain.  Further, he tried to suppress the free speech of the broadcasters.</p>
<p>It was his choice as to whether or not keep his account open.  He had seven days to comply with the order from his ISP to remove the copywritten material and he chose not to do it.</p>
<p>Copywrites are to protect people who work hard and make investments in their creations.  What he did was the equivalent of stealing someone’s book and putting it into public domain, to steal someone’s music and put it on the public domain for free, to steal someone’s private property.</p>
<p>While there are many of the same individuals repeatedly posting on this blog, the majority of ethical bloggers do not agree with his sense of ethics or his twisted journalism.</p>
<p>He makes ethical bloggers, who like it or not, are journalists, look bad.</p>
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<p>As others here have pointed out, you don’t know much about Fair Use. As a video producer and as a board member of my local public access station, I’ve been involved in more Fair Use discussions than I care to recount. Bottom line? It’s up to the courts to decide what comprises legitimate use of <b>copyright</b> (note spelling) material.</p>
<p>The question, however, is what gives these public statements copyright protection? I listened to a few of these pottymouth rants posted at Online Blogintegrity and I didn’t hear much beyond hate talk and threats to bodily harm (illegal) and uninspired blather. Is there something original about the content that gives it the status of “original work?” Pretty damn unoriginal thinking, if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Balls and Walnuts - more than you ever wanted to know &#187; Hate speech is not protected speech, bucko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balls and Walnuts - more than you ever wanted to know &#187; Hate speech is not protected speech, bucko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Hate speech is not protected speech, bucko     By Walnut UPDATE: Firedoglake runs with the story. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Hate speech is not protected speech, bucko     By Walnut UPDATE: Firedoglake runs with the story. […]</p>
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		<title>By: skippy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445498</link>
		<dc:creator>skippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i really have to disagree with spocko.  he’s at least a third tier blogger…and i should know, i’m on the “a-list of b-listers,” as shystee described it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really have to disagree with spocko.  he’s at least a third tier blogger…and i should know, i’m on the “a-list of b-listers,” as shystee described it.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeWo Joe Wosik Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Complaining against Right Wing Wackos DOES WORK!!!!!!</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445460</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeWo Joe Wosik Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Complaining against Right Wing Wackos DOES WORK!!!!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] This is in regards to the Right Wing Wacko station in San Francisco.  Maybe I will start forwarding this letter to companies that advertise on that station and others.  This guy Spocko contacted several advertisers on KSFO radio in San Francisco showing the ugly racist murderous talk shows they featured and the advertisers CANCELLED THEIR CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF THE HATE SPEECH!!!!!!  Too funny!  Story is here  Audio links are found here  Other bloggers have caught on here and here […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] This is in regards to the Right Wing Wacko station in San Francisco.  Maybe I will start forwarding this letter to companies that advertise on that station and others.  This guy Spocko contacted several advertisers on KSFO radio in San Francisco showing the ugly racist murderous talk shows they featured and the advertisers CANCELLED THEIR CONTRACTS BECAUSE OF THE HATE SPEECH!!!!!!  Too funny!  Story is here  Audio links are found here  Other bloggers have caught on here and here […]</p>
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		<title>By: RagingGurrl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445309</link>
		<dc:creator>RagingGurrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444681&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Josiah Bartlett @                 236              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444554&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RagingGurrl @&lt;br /&gt;
                111              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444542&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;shooogarp @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-444536&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RagingGurrl @                 95              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That’s the best way to fight these haters IMHO. In the 60’s the nuts shot our leaders, now they have talk shows.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what I’m saying here….but…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They did kill our leaders.  Meaning OUR.  America’s leaders.  JFK.  MLK. RFK.  Malcom X.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They play for keeps.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do we?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those men would have changed the world. Don’t you think?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They did change the world.  Their work was cut short.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, but I believe the world would be so much MORE different today if they had not been taken from us so soon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And doesn’t it say so much about what work was left unfinished when a wife of a black Senator fears for his life should he choose to run for President?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-444681"><em>Josiah Bartlett @                 236              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-444554"><em>RagingGurrl @<br />
                111              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-444542"><em>shooogarp @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-444536"><em>RagingGurrl @                 95              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>That’s the best way to fight these haters IMHO. In the 60’s the nuts shot our leaders, now they have talk shows.</p>
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<p>I don’t know what I’m saying here….but…</p>
<p>They did kill our leaders.  Meaning OUR.  America’s leaders.  JFK.  MLK. RFK.  Malcom X.  </p>
<p>They play for keeps.  </p>
<p>Do we?</p>
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<p>Those men would have changed the world. Don’t you think?</p>
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<p>They did change the world.  Their work was cut short.</p>
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<p>Yes, but I believe the world would be so much MORE different today if they had not been taken from us so soon.</p>
<p>And doesn’t it say so much about what work was left unfinished when a wife of a black Senator fears for his life should he choose to run for President?</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445280</link>
		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-445274&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jesus B. Ochoa @&lt;br /&gt;
                280              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, there are a gang of people out there who for usually financial reasons are on dial up - like me.  I would dearly love to have transcripts of the sound clips - by using only sound clips, you are ignoring a lot of people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any transcrips out there I could use?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t help with transcripts, but there is a new diary with updated info from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/6/13107/86052&quot;&gt;Mike Stark&lt;/a&gt; that may help provide more details.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-445274"><em>Jesus B. Ochoa @<br />
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<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, there are a gang of people out there who for usually financial reasons are on dial up &#8211; like me.  I would dearly love to have transcripts of the sound clips &#8211; by using only sound clips, you are ignoring a lot of people.</p>
<p>Any transcrips out there I could use?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I can’t help with transcripts, but there is a new diary with updated info from <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/6/13107/86052">Mike Stark</a> that may help provide more details.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus B. Ochoa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/05/late-nite-fdl-spocko-vs-the-rat/#comment-445274</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus B. Ochoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, there are a gang of people out there who for usually financial reasons are on dial up - like me.  I would dearly love to have transcripts of the sound clips - by using only sound clips, you are ignoring a lot of people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any transcrips out there I could use?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, there are a gang of people out there who for usually financial reasons are on dial up &#8211; like me.  I would dearly love to have transcripts of the sound clips &#8211; by using only sound clips, you are ignoring a lot of people.</p>
<p>Any transcrips out there I could use?</p>
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