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By: TRex Thursday January 4, 2007 8:00 pm |
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(graphic love from My Personal Lord and Savior, darkblack)
As much of a PR coup as it was for Rep. Keith Ellison to be sworn in on Thomas Jefferson's Koran, right wing bloggers aren't about to drop the hate ball, oh, nooooo. This has merely been a signal for them to begin the swift-boating of our third president.
T. Bogg, Esq. brings us the latest from brain donor Dan Riehl:
Posts so stupid they defy comment
Dan Riehl (who else?):
Allah thinks Ellison's shrewd political move of taking his private oath on a Thomas Jefferson owned copy of the Koran is checkmate. But not so fast. I see Allah has it in an update. But let's look at even more of the picture, while not forgetting that Jefferson owned a slave or two, as well. Is Ellison planing on swearing in on one of them, too? And if so, what religion do you think he or she would be?
posted by tbogg at 9:04 PM
Okay, that's just plain weird. I mean…what the hell is he talking about? I was not aware that people even have slaves anymore and…you can swear on them? What? Huh?!
In all seriousness, though, if Thomas Jefferson had a Koran, how do we know that he wasn't secretly an Islamofascist sympathizer? As anyone who reads Pajamas Media knows, Islam is a pernicious threat to Our Way of Life. Look at this eminently reasonable and completely hysteria-free discussion of the issue from USA Religious News:
The Islamic concept of government through Theocracy as spelled out in the Koran is incompatible with the American form of governing by a Constitutional Republic . The Koran charges all followers of allah to conquer the infidels and put them to death or into submission. The Islamic population growth in Europe , for example, is so extensive that many have predicted an Islamic takeover of Europe within 10 to 20 years. If that happens, Europe will be run like any other Islamic state.
Anyone who tries to sound a warning on this issue is labeled a bigot and his thoughts and speech are condemned by Islamic apologists who either do not see the danger to this country or they support Islam’s strategy. We have seen in Iraq , Afghanistan and in the Palestinian territories that democracy is a very effective tool for establishing the law of Islam. And Congressman Goode, like any other American patriot, does not want to see the demise of his country at the hands of those whose beliefs cannot long coexist in a Constitutional Republic . This nation must beware of its enemies and Islam has declared itself as such.
And so, how do we know that 200 years ago, this seemingly innocuous Koran owned by Jefferson wasn't infecting him and the other books in his library with slow-acting, insidious Muslimminess? How do we know that the man we know as one of the foremost architects of our Democracy never in fact fell prey to (in the words of the Boston Globe) "the seductive beat of the militant, Islamic drum"?
Professor Cole points us to a passage from Jefferson's writings that indicates he was in fact an early proponent of creeping dhimmitude:
Here is what Jefferson actually wrote, in his 1777 Draft of a
Bill for Religious Freedom:
that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right . . .
You see that? Clearly, Thomas "Akbar" Jefferson was leaving the door open for an invasion of our governing process by Islamist sympathizers. Didn't he know that this is a Christian country? Thank God for the vigilance of Rep. Virgil Goode, who knows better than Jefferson the real threat posed by an influx of Islamic lawmakers, as stated in his December 2006 letter to constituents:
"I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way," Goode wrote in the letter's opening paragraph. "The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."
Et tu, President Jefferson? How could you do this to the Republic you purported to love? It looks like we're going to have to comb through all of your writings for subliminal anti-American, pro-Muslim bias. Who knew that your legacy was actually a ticking time-bomb of jihadi propaganda? For shame, Mr. President. For shame.
P.S. Also not to be missed at TBogg's place today is the can't-look-can't-look-away spectacle of everybody's favorite Internet Train-Wreck, Jeff Goldstein, completely losing his shit in the comments thread of the aforementioned post. Apparently he was posting comments as himself and a couple of sock-puppets so quickly that he lost track of which screen name he was using. This results in the uneasy spectacle of Jeff talking about Jeff in the third person, asking himself questions and then answering them, shouting encouragement at himself, and laughing at his own jokes. Niiiiice. Time to increase his dosage…
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Fitz!
Fitz!
I bow to you twolf1
T-Rex!
Whatever you do, don’t tell the wingnuts that Jefferson edited out the “supernatural” parts of the New Testament in an attempt to get closer to history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
I always suspected there was a reason why I’d never heard of “U.S. Religious News.” Now I know what it is.
Great fun in TBogg’s comments tonight, TRex… oy. What a menagerie.
I think we can synthesize Goode and Jefferson. Anyone who doesn’t believe in the exact same god that Virgil Goode believes in will not be a citizen, but will count as 3/5s of a Christian for purposes of representation.
Nancy!
Thers @ 7
Oh! The humanity…
When did TBogg’s place become the go-to spot for right-wing dickheads and their sock puppets?
Pretty soon the wingnuts will be calling for Bush to take the place of Jefferson on Mt. Rushmore.
I believe the correct Right-word is “Dhimmitudiousness”
That sucks all of the stupidity out of the air where no one else can be stupid within a 50 mile radius of that quote.
Let’s see now . . . how much do our governmental or economic systems resemble early Christian societies? I don’t think there’s a whole lot Paul would approve of. But just because I own a Bible doesn’t mean I’m ready to overthrow our government.
Fundamentalists of all stripes need to realize the West basically decided after the Thirty Years War, enough was enough, toleration might not be entirely compatible with revealed Truth, but at least it was alot better than killing each other.
TRex? How dare you post here? Don’t you know this is Jane Hamster’s blog?
/snark
TRex @
11
First I heard of it was tonight, from you.
Lessee, is there anyone left who doubts or misunderstands that the BFEE started a war in the Middle East in 1991 and kept troops in Saudi Arabia permanently to stir up Muslims and therefore provide an enemy to supplant the Soviet Union?
These things take time to evolve. Twenty years ago, Virgil Goode wouldn’t have known a Muslim from a tea cozy.
And Thomas Jefferson was the original owner of Burqa King. You want flies and a sheik with that?
Oh, and BTW…
I still don’t care for the term “Islamofascists”. Is that really what tested best in the focus group? I STILL think they should’ve gone with “Islamocommunistnazis”. Now THERE’S an enemy we can all stand up against.
One day special, I think. I think TBogg upset them, for some reason. Can’t imagine what that might be.
montag @ 17
Things do not take time to evolve. Things take time to be intelligently designed.
Frank Probst @ 19
Islamosamadingdongs?
Keith Ellison showed some real class by seeking out Virgil Goode and asking to be introduced to him.
From CNN.com:
“I shook his hand and shook mine. We greeted each other.” Ellison asked Goode to grab a cup of coffee with him soon and Goode accepted.
I don’t know much about Ellison other than the Quran controversy, but I already have a lot of respect for him.
Patrick 4/4 @ 22
“Republicans?”
Did anyone see Ellison and Dennis Kucinich go up to Goode and shake hands? Classic.
Someone also took great care and hand-painted “bigot,” in gold paint on the window of Goode’s office. Down right helpful of that someone to add to Goode’s resume if you ask me.
So am I to understand that Virgil Goode has a position named after him? Wow. And I thought these rabid wingnuts were lacking in imagination.
And thanks a lot, guys, for the TBogg mention. Naturally I had to go look…and after reading those comments I need a shower and a few more drops of my favorite opiate pain killer. Yuck!
UptownNYChick @ 26
This delights me.
Patrick 4/4 @ 21
Well, we know by now that Junior has no use for either intelligence or design. We are in the midst of governance by stomach rumblings and religious delusion… which makes me ask of any Bush decision, “is it gut, or is it God?” :)
Patrick 4/4 @
8
Anyone that is male, that is. And not a eunuch.
EvilDrPuma @ 24
“BattleHymnoftheRepublicans?”
montag @ 28
It is Gott, and therefore gut.
Peterr @ 29
You have something against Eunuchtarians?
No. Just Unix-tarians.
Wow I read the TBogg comments and now I’m dizzy, confused, have a headache and feel nauseous. It’s like a Stupid hangover. I need to burn my eyes out with acid now.
Patrick 4/4 @ 32
Or Congregaytionalists?
But, even I have my limits. I am simply not in favor of Babstists.
TRex @ 33
I’m platform-agnostic.
I’m an OSX-tian.
montag @ 36
What about Roaming Cat-holics?
TRex @ 37
Then you are part of the Unixeo-OSX-tian tradition.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 35
I couldn’t take very much of it … gave up about a dozen comments in … like watching frat boys engaging in an enthusiastic game of shoot the cracker.
Peterr @ 39
DOS is very funny.
Great image at the top of the post!
Darkblack’s been on a real roll for the last couple of days. Good to have the master back again.
Mary McCurnin @ 41
OSes are the Windows to the soul.
Peterr @ 38
I prefer Pentecoastals, m’self.
Peterr @ 43
Yes, but how long has he been saving that two-dollar bill?
Mary McCurnin @ 42
Don’t get me started on the Lute Rans . . .
montag @ 45
And then there are those who prefer More Mans.
OT? Charlie rangel on Nightline
Love that he kicked cheney out of his office.
Peterr @ 43
Isn’t it? Bless ‘im.
Not sure it’s worth much reaidng over the wingnut response; Ellison is a class act,as is Pelosi and most of the House Dems, who clearly know the score, even if the MSM doesn’t. What strikes me in this preliminary stage of the Great Battle that will unfold over the next three months is how good our people are, and how much they are still being underestimated by the Establishment. It finally dawned on me that the NYT and WaPo really do believe that the Rethugs are America’s natural ruling party, public opinion aside. That belief actually works to our advantage, since they will mis-aim for at least six more weeks, while Pelosi, the Waxman and Leahy do their sapping of the Republican front.
This is war, and we will win it.
I Command you Promptly quit this silly talk.
Mary McCurnin @ 52
f4 somebody gets hertz.
TRex @ 50
As you wish, O Theropod . . .
(waving arms)
Darkblack, you’re blessed.
And so are we.
Mary McCurnin @ 51
I will when the President does, too.
But, we don’t know where his Ctrl-Alt-Del is, do we?
TRex @ 53
I GNU you would say that.
Clearly, you didn’t read the comments attached to it.
Pajamas Media has one blogger that’s not delusional. John Cole at Balloon Juice.
Mary McCurnin @ 55
Linux would not approve of such blanket statements.
What is our way of life anyway? Eating at McDonalds?
montag @ 55
Yeah, but we know where his boot file went.
White House Postponing Loss of Iraq, Biden Says
AirportCat @ 60
Yeah, and the result is a general failure.
I’m pretty sure this is going to upset the fundamentalist home-schooling crowd…like the professors at Bob Jones University. Because one of the bedrock arguments from the religious-right and specifically the writers of history textbooks marketed to the tune of $2 billion per year to these folks is that Thomas Jefferson intended for the wall between church and state to be only one way…
Meaning, they argue that his belief was that the state shouldn’t affect religion, but rather religion should be an intregal element of government. I’m unaware of names and links at the moment to back this up, but I can guarantee 100% that:
1. There is a movement amongst fundamentalist Christians to rewrite American history in God’s voice
2. They understand what Orwell said about ‘those who control the past, control the living present and also the future’ (paraphrasing) – it is the understanding of this that drives them
3. Documents written by Jefferson have been relied on for years to “prove” what I said above about the wall between church and state
Knowing this, the fact that Ellison used JEFFERSON’S Koran is a middle finger to the crazies…who will pretend it didn’t happen and remain focused on selling textbooks and the rest of their garbage.
I’ll tell my son about this tomorrow…the middle names of my twin boys are Adams and Jefferson…so this story is the kind of thing that gets me going.
The whole story behind this misinformation industry, and also the fact that Orwell plays so heavily into their strategy…it’s fascinating to me because of the audience they cater to, how a literal interpretation of the Bible is so often insisted upon, yet in terms of America’s history they’re perfectly comfortable with the fact that they’re purposely twisting facts throughout in order to “game” the future in God’s favor. The hypocracy of this is startling, and most likely comical to the aliens who are monitoring all of this from far far away right now.
twolf1 @ 62
Yes, but have they told Bush yet?
Oh, and not to be forgotten, Ace-y Boy losing his shit in the next thread posted . . . did TBogg leave out his batshit crazy bait today or something?
I want this embroidered on pillows:
Drama king
;>)
Thanx, pards. One’s aim improves with a demanding yet discerning audience.
Man, TBogg’s getting soaked with all those types custering up over there. I love a good fight, but I wouldn’t know where to begin…
>:->
Mary McCurnin @ 60
To judge from this administration, Our Way of Life is (a) sticking it to the poor and powerless, (b) throwing your weight around, (c) tearing up historic documents (Magna Carta, US Bill of Rights, Geneva Convention, etc.) and (d) telling anyone who disagrees with you to f$*% themselves.
New poll released by CBS- GW Clusterfuck with a 30% JAR- career low for ol Clusterfuck with that (or any?) poll.
It ain’t goin too well for the fuckhead.
Mary McCurnin @ 65
“30,000? … uhhhh… how about 20,000? …. screw you guys! Wanna backrub?“
Nash @ 66
Sigh.
Apparently.
The RW bloggers aren’t handling this Democratic Congress thing very well, are they? It’s a meltdown a minute today.
goopers have been using a “trial by fire” argument for some years- if ya WIN (an election) then you are more moral and wise than the opposition. The consequences of that point of view applied to the current election results are devastating.
TRex @ 71
It’s now time to tell them that Lincoln was right–they can’t fool all the people all the time.
Time’s up.
TRex @
72
I had the local wingnut Howie Carr on the radio for a goof this afternoon and it was crybaby central from start to finish…he’s going over Deval Patrick’s speech with a fine tooth comb as callers say things like, ‘it’s a gay party in DC’, just one whaaaaa after another, with the patented “everyone’s already leaving massachusetts (census stats show a .5% increase over five years) and now the liberals have invaded new hampshire!!!”
It’s pathetic baby boomer passive aggressive bullshit from the other side of the fence, and they’re acting like brats at the moment.
TRex @ 72
Speaking of meltdowns, has our favorite Anchor Baby had hers yet after learning Jamil Hussein is alive, well and in jail for talking to the media after her jihad to go there to prove he doesnt exist?
TRex @ 72
So. More popcorn?
deadissue @ 64
The pattern of how the far right TheoCons read Jefferson is exactly how they read the Bible. They are only literalists when it suits their purposes. How many of them do you see following the command to “sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor”?
“At the moment”? How would that be a change from how they’ve acted for the last five years?
Please! I love popcorn.
Okay, kids. Heading home. Got to run by the store and grab the things I forgot last night.
TRex @
72
Well, let’s see . . . the rules they established over the last 13 years or so have frozen out the minority party from the legislative process, meaning they’re limited in terms of fucking up the first 100 hours. Cheney got his butt kicked out of the House Ways and Means office so it could be used for the actual chairman and not for the Vice President to strongarm his party. And a woman is now third in line for the Presidency.
I’m amazed they haven’t started calling for the assassination of the Democratic Congr — oh, never mind . . .
rwcole @ 70
do we start taking bets now for when he hits 27%… his absolute bottom must be 23…
BUSH’S JOB APPROVAL RATING
Approve
30%
Disapprove
63%
BUSH’S JOB HANDLING IRAQ
Approve
23%
Disapprove
72%
via cbs.com
OldCoastie @ 82
I though 34% was his absolute bottom. He’s less popular than herpes at this point.
OldCoastie @ 81
My guess is that Bush could do a Linda Blair head-spin at a press conference and spew pea soup all over the Fox News reporter and he’d still get 25-26% who’d think he just wasn’t feeling quite himself….
TRex @ 79
At least then the voting machines told them they deserved to be that way…whereas now they’ve got nothing but the spirit of “NUH-UH!!!” on their side.
Urban Pirate @ 83
From these numbers we cane safely now determine that between 5-7% of our population have had their brains sucked out of their skulls by aliens. 7% don’t have an opinion on his job handling? 5% no opinion on his handling of Iraq?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 87
5-7% of the populace just doesn’t care, one way or the other.
Sad, innit?
montag @ 85
Nah, too much like Dad and the Japanese PM … he’s his own man, he’ll find another way to wig out. Perhaps alcohol will be involved.
What a pretty cool day. A woman is a heartbeat (and some weird electronic murmur) away from the Presidency.
G’night all. Sweet Dreams. Peace.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 87
That’s some deep woods shit there…Getting close to the core…
;>)
Peterr @ 78
Very business-like in their ways, much like Delay-Santorum-KStreet…proud to be devious, dishonest, as long as it’s in the name of a greater good.
David Kuo capitalized on that last sentence you wrote, and I’m still not 100% on his sincerity, though have no doubt about his take on power playing the crazies for their votes and pissing on their wants behind closed doors…same thing that’s wrong with the entire lot of them.
They lack the sincerity necessary to survive long enough to matter.
Something like that…I’m still processing it all to be honest…lots of thinking on all this still left to be done. Thanks for responding though – - – - it’s the greatest accelerator when it comes to making sense of all this!
AirportCat @ 88
Chasing Angela Merkel around the Lincoln Bedroom, naked except for cowboy boots, with a strap-on and an American flag wrapped around his head like a kufiya and a bottle of RonRico 151 in each hand?
Something like that? :)
darkblack @ 91
I am prepared to accept that up to 2% of these numbers are recent coma patients that recovered from long term comas, but that still leaves 3-5% with no excuse for cluelessness.
Nash @ 88
When it’s tabboo to run graphic video from the war on the news, but tits and ass are alright in any venue, then 5-7%…
Shit, I’ll take it. In this country, I’m surprised it’s not even higher!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 93
Catching up on all those re-runs of “Let’s Make a Deal” and “My Mother, The Car” is pretty time-consuming–doesn’t leave much left over for nasty old politics….
Remember the media glommed onto the right wing talking point that Traitor Joe Lieberman was “purged” from the “Democrat Party”?
Well, that was what we in the reality based world called losing an election.
What George W. Bush is doing to his top generals?
That is looking like a purge to me.
-GSD
montag @
96
The Schiavo factor.
-GSD
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @
94
I’ll chalk it up to the old adage:
‘Every carny needs a geek’
;>)
montag @ 96
The hardcore TheoCons take pride in not owning a television, so the notion of re-runs would be lost on them. They do listen to their radios, though . . . from St. Dobson of Colorado on down to the local wingnut Dobson-wannabe. 5% is probably those whose radios are on the fritz.
On the 5-7% thing…my brother was in the Marines a few years back and it was a Friday night, in the barracks w/ four jarhead buddies in the room being stupid…
I call him and we talk about the news on Iraq, I’m asking if he heard about something big that went down, pre-invasion…he hadn’t, but is generally up on this stuff. I ask if his friends are worried about being sent over…if they’ve heard the news, and he tells me flat out that they wouldn’t have a clue or care about it in the least.
The story had to do with a specific person saying something that had me scared I’d be recalled or bro would be in the shit…to prove his point he asks the question to the ivy leaguers and it’s just like he said.
Now…those same people were destined for a time in the sand, but if you put your ear up to their heads real close, you could hear the ocean.
Take off the uniform and I expect the same person to be even worse.
darkblack @ 99
Isn’t it rich? Aren’t they a pair . . .
darkblack @ 99
clown image warning!!
Peterr @ 99
The hard-core theo-cons are the ones in the “he’s doing a great job” category.
That small bunch that fall into the “uh, where am I?” group are just completely unfocused about everything. And religious extremism just doesn’t fit with that bunch. Even heroin addicts are better-informed than that 5-7%.
AirportCat @ 103
That’s not a ‘clown image’, AC…
This is. (CIW)
>:->
That 5-7% is probably out cooking up meth behind the trailer.
Uhoh, there now appears to be a War on Islam being waged over in Europe’s democratic, freedom-loving countries, just as there’s a War on Christmas (or religious fundamentalist Christians) being waged in the United States. Not!!
I’m actually sorta in the middle of this debate. I’m a live-and-let-live Liberal. And yet, democracy is a damn sight better than any dictatorship, and definitely worth fighting for, which means I stop being a live-and-let-live Liberal the moment a tyrant, whether in private or public, no matter of what ilk, religious or otherwise, rears it’s ugly, totalitarian, monopolistic head in my presence.
And how do I know when there’s a tyrant in my presence? Wherever there is censorship, then there must be a tyrant present who’s out to dictate to everyone else how they should live, or think, or what they should wear, or eat, or whatever.
Therefore, I’ve read of instances over in Europe where young women have been assaulted in certain religious-centric neighborhoods because they weren’t “dressed properly,” maybe wearing blue jeans and a t-shirt, just as reports are coming out of the “liberated” Iraq about young women being attacked (and even murdered) in certain religious-centric areas because they weren’t “dressed properly.”
(And, no, I’m not picking on Muslims. Throughout history, tales are told of people being brutalized by religious zealots…Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, whatever, because they didn’t “conform.” Hell, even the Communists censor the same things that the religious zealots censor, which has caused me to wonder how Communists got labelled lefties).
Anyway, when I think of a democracy, especially here in the United States, I think of the U.S. Constitution being the heart and the soul of our democratic nation. People, therefore, have the constitutional right to practice their religion, but with the qualifying constitutional right that no one else in our society has to practice their religion. That’s what religious freedom means to me, a live-and-let-live Liberal.
Otherwise, our democratic nation would begin to look like what’s happening over in Iraq, or during the Dark Ages when the Vatican tyrannized and terrorized the citizens of Europe, or when the Church of England slaughtered Catholics, or what happened in India when partitioning occurred and the Muslims and Hindus had at it…to name just a few of the countless instances in which zealots went bat-shit insane and started murdering other people (i.e., censoring them to death).
Thus, when some religious zealots over in “liberated” Iraq demanded that a provision be included in the CPA-generated, new Iraqi Constitution that the Constitutional rights and freedoms of Iraqi citizens would be subservient to Koranic dictates, I knew at that instant when Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld allowed this to happen that most of Iraq was lost to al Qaeda-type religious zealots who would never honor the freedom of their fellow citizens. (And we all see how that’s working out).
Therefore, Rep. Keith Ellison is alright in my book (the U.S. Constitution) as long as he doesn’t start acting (and legislating) like one of the ultra-orthodox, religious fundamentalist Christians…or Jews…or Hindus…or whatever. All tyranny, of whatever sort, is the breeding ground for all terrorism.
I heard a rumor that when Mark Foley was in congress he was sworn in by placing his hand on a copy of Boy’s Life.
-GSD
montag @ 104
A growing number of the hard core TheoCons are less than pleased with Dubya and his band of merry men. Dubya may say the right religious words, but the TheoCons are getting more frustrated at the lack of deeds. Abortion is still legal, the gays continue to gain in acceptability (can you say Mary Cheney?), and now godless Democrats have taken over the House and Senate.
But you’re probably right about the “uh, where am I?” bunch. The lights are on, but there’s no one home.
GSD @ 107
Foley was a very steady reader of that mag–a page a day, I hear.
AirportCat @
103
Nice graphic, has all the male anatomy. A Dick, a Bush and an asshole.
-GSD
Jefferson redux:
punaise @ 111
Excellent, but there’s a typo: it should read “pursuit of Hispanics”.
Did somebody mention a Foley? Did you know that the relative size of a Foley catheter is described using French units (F)? And has anyone notified The General?
Urban Pirate @ 84
I think you should apologize to herpes.
There are days when I wish I could be one of those people.
Patrick 4/4 @ 113
that works.
I think 5-7% is a low number.
I heard that Pajamas Media, if you want to call that a source, is reporting that Ayatolah ali-Khameini, the Supreme Leader of Iran has succumbed to cancer. I have no idea what this will do to the chemistry of the Middle East, but I’m sure it will be interesting.
Hi all.
You know what? I am sick to death of these bigots and uninformed assholes like Goode who I KNOW never knew of Afghanistan or Iraq before dubya (bet you a nickel he still can’t locate them on a map!)
He’s representative of the stoopid, uneducated, and dimwitted Murkans that cling to fear and dubya. (I can say that because I am an American, dammit). I can say that because I am familiar with the beliefs of many and friends with a lot of people who are Muslims as well as those that are Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Agnostics, Wiccans and Atheists– I have listened to their beliefs and/or their decision not to believe and I respect them all.
I should be celebrating our win tonight, but I am gripped by dread. If we do not acknowledge the trend toward the new and shiny “crusade” against the brown people who speak many other languages that look and sound funny to the average Joe or Betty, yet are our brothers and sisters in humanity– it will be more of the same ole shite. If our newly elected leaders and those we voted to the majority do not live up to our wishes and expectations, we need to purge them all– asap!
I am also sick of hearing our newly elected majority blaming the Iraqis for this mess, mayhem and murder.
AirportCat @ 113
Un peu.
Un peu plus…
punaise @ 117
Loofahs, Libertines, and the pursuit of Hispanics?
AirportCat @ 122
better yet.
Internet Map Update. New links
TRex @ 28
Not to quibble but the lettering looked very much like the hand of a skilled stencil tagger so popular with the earlier NYC graffiti rascals who by necessity required quick get-a-ways.
Peterr @ 109
I think the TheoCons (great label, BTW) are going to cause no end of trouble over the next two years. I expect 08 to be a battle in the GOP that could shred the Party. I hope the heck we managed to get it together without our own version of self-sabotage.
Ooo, hot Latino babes…
TRex @ 115
“Now, you can! In the privacy of your own home, the Handy Home Lobotomy Kit™ can relieve you of tension, rage, boredom and fits of sanity. In thirty minutes or less (and a brief recovery period determined by your general health), you’ll be wondering what all this hoohah about blogs is all about! Act now while supplies last!”
or in Malkin’s case, the pursuit of harpyness
punaise @ 129
Ooooh! As usual, punaise takes the round!
punaise @ 128
or, haplessness, as the case may be….
punaise @ 129
I don’t think that qualifies as a pursuit anymore, it’s a full-time gig.
AirportCat @ 131
Indeed, I think that she caught it, knocked it down and ate it raw.
Same with the economy. They’ll try to limp into the end of 08 with the situation described over the last year: “soft landing”, figuring the crash and delayed paying of the piper will happen on the Democratic president’s watch, while the GOP jumps up and down fanning the flames and yelling “He did it! I saw him light the fire! It’s his (her) fault!”
They got nothing. It’s the only strategy left: lying your ass off to keep things barely afloat, then laying (lying) a thick smoke screen about who’s caused the mess. Bully-boy six year-olds, compulsive liars, greedy con men incapable of managing their way out of a wet paper bag. Sheesh.
the Goopers aren’t fit to carry Nancy’s
jock strapbra. She’s already got it on display above the window in her new office.marksb @ 133
They set out to prove to the public that the government can’t fix anything, can’t solve any problems, indeed, that government is the problem, and they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
The only problem is that, now, they don’t want to admit to being the government….
Nothing on Al Jazeera about Ayatollah Khameini. I hope he gets a better send off than the last Ayatollah.
That human juggling act at his funeral was intolerable.
-GSD
And that, my friend, is where we come in. We have smoke-penetrating goggles.
Apparently the last two years the Democrats were just making things so hard on the Republicans and they were just politicizing everything and now some Republicans like Kentucky Woman Ann Northup, loser that she is, are afraid the bitterness may live on.
-GSD
Even as a minority the Democrats apparently ruled the House. Now we get to see the flip of memes played out. Republican victims abused by the all powerful, conniving, Democrats. Spare me.
on a sad note, blogger Kevin Drum says good-bye to his kitty
GSD @ 138
Have no fear, it will. Jean Schmidt, was, after all, reelected. :)
TRex @ 138
FLIR Bloggles!
AirportCat @ 141
As valuable as bloggles are, don’t ever leave home without your bullshit detector….
Any relation to Richard Bruce Cheney?
-GSD
Uh, I only posted over at tbogg’s as myself. No need for sockpuppets.
Go ahead, pull whatever logs there are and check. I insist.
Why do you people feel the need to embellish every story in so dishonest a way, then pat each other on the back as you all pretend to believe your own lies.
It’s simply dazzling.
I may have been the first doggie to mention that Ellison was borrowing the Jefferson Koran. But aying so got me in a commenter’s face. I posted this here yesterday afternoon:
Ed*ard Teller says:
January 3rd, 2007 at 5:22 pm *
On NPR – the Thomas Jefferson copy of the Koran to be borrowed by Congressman Ellison tomorrow was acquired by Jefferson around 1765. He referred to the Koran in subsequent correpondence regarding his ideas on theories of laws and constitutions.
What a guy, Jefferson. What a guy Ellison. What a country, the USA!
then I got this back:
Ed*ard Teller @ 49
On NPR – the Thomas Jefferson copy of the Koran to be borrowed by Congressman Ellison tomorrow was acquired by Jefferson around 1765. He referred to the Koran in subsequent correpondence regarding his ideas on theories of laws and constitutions.
What a guy, Jefferson. What a guy Ellison. What a country, the USA!
A great guy that jefferson was. If you discount his owning 200 human beings and keeping them in deplorable conditions. Well not the one he was raping regularly but the rest.
I’m not sure I’ve seen klyde around here much, but I thought, “Hey, nothing wrong with apologizing if you’ve violated somebody’s space,” so last night I posted this:
Ed*ard Teller says:
January 4th, 2007 at 12:06 am *
klyde, if you’re here, I’m sorry I deified Thomas Jefferson in a way that threatened your righteous sense of history, dignity, sanity – whatever. pass it on to klyde, doggies, if you get the chance. I had to leave this afternoon, arriving late and leaving early to a great conversation.
and klyde came back a few hours later with this:
klyde says:
January 4th, 2007 at 3:37 am *
Ed*ard Teller @ 192
klyde, if you’re here, I’m sorry I deified Thomas Jefferson in a way that threatened your righteous sense of history, dignity, sanity – whatever. pass it on to klyde, doggies, if you get the chance. I had to leave this afternoon, arriving late and leaving early to a great conversation.
Teller
thomas jefferson was a slaver and a rapist. As I said you’re free to deify and I’m free to criticize him. You’re cheap shots are not going to change that.
so, who is klyde and why have I pissed him off so enormously. I mean doesn’t everybody know Jefferson was “slaver” and took advantage of Sally Hemmings, but….?
:::grabs popcorn:::
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 147
Ugh. Count me out. If this is gonna be that kinda party, I’m gonna go stick my dick in the mashed potatoes.
Patrick 4/4 @
22
maybe my favorite patrrick 4/4 comment ever…..
TRex @ 148
HAY! That’s my stolen Beastie Boys line!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 146
Shh! Jeff will hear you!
Stop giggling. Stop it!
ET,
Clyde Hemmings doesn’t stop by as much as he used to.
-GSD
Don’t make eye contact with it. Maybe it’ll just go away.
Ed*ard Teller @ 148
Shucks… (blushes)
Bedazzled!
marksb @ 154
…bothered and bewildered…
Jeff G @ 145
which people here do you mean, Mr.
Gannoner, Goldstein?TRex @ 148
Excuse me, but your dictatorial tendencies are showing.
Patrick 4/4 @ 155
… buttered and betwittered….
Hey, Trex: Did you know my street has more traffic than your street?
Of course, mine doesn’t really count cause I’m a renter.
And there’s a Starbucks near the corner.
And a Ralph’s.
Seriously, I think that’s my cue to take my dazzling ass into the kitchen for some dinner and start winding down for bed. Good night, everybody. Mods, you know where to find me if things get out of hand. I’ve enjoyed about all the rightard sociopathy that I can stand for one day.
Another man of God, another abused child.
Holy moley.
-GSD
AirportCat @ 158
Are you calling me a dick tater?
Battered and bedoinkled.
-GSD
ET, feeling feisty tonight, eh?
Let’s all remember, using the “Quote this Comment” function means your comment is treated no differently than the one you quoted.
one more thing about the USA R.N. stoopid editorial cited above.
How many missionaries did we send over to other lands in order to change peoples’ faiths to ours in exchange for baubles and platitudes? (this, after we killed or displaced all of the Native Americans here.) When will our young Nation and the West ever learn that you cannot continue to buy allegiance and barter for the support of those despots who repress their people just as we do in exchange for the riches that are beneath land that we have no right to? We have to earn respect by example and be much, much better than we are right now.
(the rethuglicans have been more guilty of this, but there is an enormous learning curve for the Democrats, too!)
Thomas Jefferson was waaaaaaaaay ahead of lots of dimwits living today– here and abroad. He was both a fallible man living in his century and place and a visionary for the times to come. I respect him and always will, despite his faults.
TRex @ 163
spudtacular!
More Digby:
Spinin’ an’ sinin’, that there’s some seriously bad-assed smoke they’re blowing. Indoor hydroponic obviously, with maybe some genetic mods, to get that level of hallucinogenic content…
GSD @ 162
God save the motherfucking queens.
You know, last night’s featured Right Wing nutjob has had his own struggles with drugs and dick.
Okay, dinner.
I will try to check back before bed.
Don’t trash the place.
punaise @ 167
Could you all go hash this out somewhere else?
punaise @ 166
Let it not be said that we don’t know how to put the “pud” in “spud”….
Jeff G @
145
I just realized who you are, Jeff. In the late summer of 2005, you posted erroneous, ie – false, lying, plain made up, material about me you had copied from a blog that had copied it from Stephen Plaut. I asked you to take it down. You didn’t answer.
The laptop I’ve archived it on is in my office, and I’m too busy to waste more than another minute on you, but you don’t deserve the accolade “sock puppet.”
TRex @ 170
Don’t worry, we have good
medsMods here, we’ll be fine.neurophius @ 171
What kind of half baked idea is that?
When Ace was wrong about tbogg wishing Malkin dead in Iraq (that lovely sentiment fell to a few others, one of whom wished to see her on Ogrish, presumably getting her head lopped off), he posted a retraction.
Trex has just accused me of sockpuppeting, which is a strange accusation considering I was posting at tbogg’s all day as myself. Rapidly. Haloscan fills in my info. I had no need or want to post as anyone other than myself — although I do note that a few of tbogg’s commenters started using my name.
Which could be cause for Trex’s confusion. Well, that or the syphillis.
At any rate, let’s see if a retraction shows up here. Somehow I doubt it. Because this is a war, and you guys have goggles and bullshit detectors and blah blah blah.
Speaking of trolls:
neurophius @
171
hooray for Ted Stevens’ tubers!
ET– I was glad to read that your recovery is progressing nicely and only hope that it continues in the very best way! marksb– I hope you are doing well, too– I think of you a lot. ;)
Damn it ET, you woke him up.
“Bush, in a gesture of friendliness, approached her from behind and put his hands on her shoulders and squeezed.”
Bush, in an arrogant gesture of macho domination, accosted her from behind and put his grubby paws on her shoulders and groped her.
Oh shit, Hannity started out at KCSB, the little FM station at UC Santa Barbara. I used to have a folk show on Saturdays there. You could get a show easy if you managed to string together more than three or four words (meaning Bush wouldn’t qualify) and spin a record, especially in the summer.
Patrick 4/4 @
180
sorry, but it is disturbing to have my friends called a lying sack of shit by a lying mountain of it.
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I’m afraid you’re going to need to be more specific. I don’t find any Edward Tellers or Stephen Plauts on my site when I do a search.
What was the post about? What false information did I post about you? I’m also not showing any Edward Tellers in my email archives, which go back quite a ways.
Can you locate the post? I have archives. If I said something false about you, I’ll gladly retract it. But chances are if I didn’t answer your email I didn’t read it. Did you post a similar request in the comments to the post? Are you sure it was me?
Jeff G @ 185
I wrote to you under my real name.
Ed*ard Teller @ 182
Let the mountain come to the Islamosamadingdongs.
Well the popcorn is gone and that woozy headed feeling from earlier is returning so I’m gonna go take powerful meds and sleep it off. Gnight!
One little bit ‘o’ irony is that no Qu’ran was used in Ellison’s ceremony. That was an English explanation of the Holy Qu’ran.
As any Muslim can tell you the Holy Qu’ran itself is only in Arabic. It is not “possible” for it to be translated into any other language. What non-Muslims may consider to be translations are in Muslim eyes “explanations of” or “commentaries on” the Holy Qu’ran.
I have been to a museum in Bahrain known as the “Beit al Qu’ran” (House of the Qu’ran) which holds some of the oldest and rarest copies of the Holy Qu’ran. Included in the collection is the oldest manuscript known to exist (about 730 A.D.) and an exquisite printed volume of a Latin explanation (translation) of the Qu’ran commissioned by none other than Martin Luther.
These “explanations” are venerated in the Islamic tradition, but are not sacred in themselves.
Patrick 4/4 @ 180
Never mind. See Macbeth, Act 5, scene 3, 26-27.
marksb @ 181
I’m glad to know that bit of history. Somehow, though, it surprises me that Hannity had much to do with college, but it does not surprise me that he spent his time spinning things there, too. :)
Posted what? A comment? It’s not showing up in an advanced search.
What was the post about? What blog did I copy it from?
Why are you being so cryptic. I’m willing to right a wrong here if I’ve committed one.
Patrick 4/4 @ 183
Film at eleven of Robertson swimming the Yalu River at high tide….
angie @ 179
I’m good, though I can’t figure out why you don’t heal up in one week after almost eight weeks of intensive radiation therapy. Seems like my idea of dining out this weekend was delusion, somewhat of a bad judgment, sort of a surge of misplaced optimism. Apparently it’s been going around. So I’ve cut and run my planner for another two weeks, when I now expect I can swallow again and my taste will be coming back and I can have a nice bowl of soup.
But if you-all want, you can share some of my meds. They’re Rush-approved…
montag @ 192
Perhaps we could all benefit from this mysterious, yet apparently quite tasty, protein wisdom.
Why is he still here?
Patrick 4/4 @ 194
Shaken, not stirred, of course….
montag @ 197
Some very funny variations on the Vodka martini in “Casino Royale”. Did you see it?
The paste filled one makes an appearance!!!
Jeez. Must be a really rough day in gooper-land.
Urban Pirate @ 199
I was considering repeating my Satan-worshipping homosexual greeting, but that works too.
Speaking of Satan-worshipping homosexuals and the Pursuit of Hispanics, where’s Pach been lately?
GSD @
162
Welcome to Pootieworld
>:(
Patrick 4/4 @ 197
Umm, no, not yet.
marksb @ 194
LOL~!
Bless you and your sense of humor during and after such misery. I would love to make you a yummy bowl of delicious soup. Please know that my very best wishes are with you and yours.
Oh and ET– if one does not know your real name then one wasn’t really paying attention.
Jeffy, clusterfuck hit 30% today. Are you here to pick up your pony?
montag @ 204
So un-Bond-like it was an actual movie.
montag @ 193
LMAO!
Urban Pirate @ 206
Shhh – Jeffy seepin’.
montag @ 204
saw it, liked it.
From a story in the N.O. Times-Picayune:
I do not view this as a good start on ethics reform in Congress. Dollar Bill needs to go, is Pelosi waiting on the FBI to do it for her?
Hmmm. Maybe Edward’s forgotten.
Oh well, ring me up if you remember, Ed.
Urban Pirate –
No, not here to pick up a pony. Just got an email that somebody was accusing me of sockpuppeting. Now that I see it’s trex — goaded on by Thersites — I’m not shocked. Just bored.
Back to the pit of despair, where I’ll flog myself over the humiliation of being called “Jeffy” and “paste” by a guy who wants people to think he wanders around the city in an eye patch and pantaloons.
Be kind to one another.
Jeff G @
176
war?
No, see, what is happening in Iraq is a war.
What’s happening here is sophistry.
You almost got your masters in that, didn’t you?
TRex ~
After reading your post, I just HAD to head over to TBoggs’ comments on the Ellison bit. OMG. What a hoot!! I have not read such hilarity in ages! Thank you SO much!
Everyday, I thank gawd that my social and political circle is with progressive, thinking folks. The alternative would be …I don’t want to even think about that.
I miss him.
Patrick 4/4 @ 209
I made a victory ride through freeperville today. Between Pelosi, Reid, The Koran thing, the Iraqi guy being real, 30% JAr, and the general acknowledgement that the “movement” has gone the way of the pet rock, it was quite fun watching them try and feign outrage at this and that. Pretty goddam great day.
AirportCat @ 211
Well, what were the alternatives? He was reelected, the election wasn’t challenged, and there are no charges to date. It’s appropriate he be sworn, but that doesn’t mean that he should be offered any committee assignments, or be let anywhere near appropriations of funds.
montag @ 217
Seriously, I don’t know what alternative there was, and I can’t really be mad at Pelosi, but it just drives me nuts. The guy is a crook, everyone knows it, and the fact that no charges have been brought yet does not make it any less so. And I really do not understand the standing ovation from the CBC, I just do not get it.
I went over to its Web site to see what sort of creature we were dealing with. The Web site had the word “Protein” in its title, and it asked for feedback as to how the site could be improved. I was tempted to suggest that it feature an advertisement for Pat Robertson’s “Protein” shakes, but then I thought, naaa, I don’t want to dignify it or its Web site by registering as a commenter there.
This blog does not negotiate with terrorists. If I print a retraction, you’re not going to like it.
Jeffy, that Patrick Rex is my brother. You may remember him from when he handed you your ass on a pizza last spring.
Urban Pirate @ 216
Amen.
But like all exotic species, the wingnut is best observed in its natural environment.
this can’t be Goode for Virgil:
TPM has video of Ellison introducing himself to Goode.
Jeff G @ 212
Same to you. Try and convince some of those animals you pal around with (and incite) to use their fucking noggin once and a while.
TRex @ 220
*sigh*
SO MUCH FOR THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE.
I guess I am going to head off to bed now.
Next time I am going to get a big sign that says “Be vewy qwiet. I am hunting wingnuts.”
TeddySanFran @ 223
That must have been Goode for a laugh.
neurophius @ 226
In the video, Dennis Kucinich has a look of anticipatory glee as he sees what’s gonna happen.
That’s it for me, too, gang.
Good night.
G’nite T.
TRex @ 228
Good night, grandma. Good night John Boy.
How do we know that was really TRex?
last one out, turn off the lights. buona notte.
Patrick 4/4 @ 231
Who else has a tail that long?
Patrick 4/4 @ 231
He stopped and ate a cheeto loving pant-load on the way out.
Urban Pirate @ 234
Mmmm…
ptasty…I think that Dennis Kucinich is carrying Paul Wellstone’s legacy of independant thought and action almost alone.
He is brave, unapologetic and proud.
(I like him.
A lot.)
Patrick 4/4 @ 235
Harrrrgggghhhhh.
g’nite, all.
angie @ 238
G’nite, angie.
Urban Pirate @ 239
g’nite, UP & angie. what a day! what a day! huzzah!
You guys see the Cafferty rant earlier? (it’s on C&L)
Bush/McCain/Lieberman are starting to get it from all angles.
Apparently Dobbs was pretty direct tonite too.
good nite Teddy. We done good.
Goodnigh teverybody.
well, I guess I’ll turn the lights out. night patrick.
Is teddy still around?
Goodnight, you princes (princesses) of Maine (anywhere, USA). You kings (queens) of New England (the World).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124315/quotes
Thanks for giving me hope!
g’nite Urban Pirate.
I would like to thank the Universe for such a grand birthday present. I’m watching Madame Speaker Pelosi repeats on C-Span from earlier,
and enjoying a liberal libation, btw, ‘ere …
Another Happy Happy Birthday! goes out to Martha, and also to my brother Scott whom was born on my first b-day fifty years ago today.
Even the bantam cocks of the talk like lil jeffie can’t touch the grinz on my face.
*Cheers to All*
Happy Birthday, Shez. You got a great present.
Good morning, pups. The NYT has Thomas Friedman and Paul Krugman this morning. They’re both dreaming…
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Morning all — making coffee and getting ready to pack the car for the trip. :) Boy do we have some good stuff on tap for you all this morning. Meanwhile, I’m off to vacation!
I wonder if the “opinions of mankind” for which Jefferson had such a “decent respect” included Moslems’.
T Jeff is, after all, on the $2 bill. suspiciously Canadian, q as a, etc etc.
Shez — happy birthday!!! What an auspicious way to start your natal year, yes?
And happy vacation to Christy, hope it’s relaxing and restful!
Thers @ 21
Happened at THE NEWS BLOG too, though not nearly as entertaining. TRex managed a nice one early:
I know theropods need sleep, so I’m probably way too late to this particular thread, but that is hands-down the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.
-GFO
Next: Slavery was an islamo-fascist conspiracy to discredit the United States. Jefferson was the ringleader.