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	<title>Comments on: Some Dare Call Them &#8220;Concentration Camps&#8221; (Pt. 2)</title>
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		<title>By: The Local Crank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-442621</link>
		<dc:creator>The Local Crank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“If that wasn’t a concentration camp, I’d sure like to know what the hell it was,” said one of them, a Nisei man. “I was there. I saw the armed guards in the watchtowers, the barbed wire.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Cherokee are also familiar with this sort of camp, having been herded by the thousands into many of them in Georgia and Tennessee just prior to America’s first great experiment in “ethnic cleansing,” the Trail of Tears.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If that wasn’t a concentration camp, I’d sure like to know what the hell it was,” said one of them, a Nisei man. “I was there. I saw the armed guards in the watchtowers, the barbed wire.”</p>
<p>The Cherokee are also familiar with this sort of camp, having been herded by the thousands into many of them in Georgia and Tennessee just prior to America’s first great experiment in “ethnic cleansing,” the Trail of Tears.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-442172</link>
		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and yes, spelling matters.  But I gotta go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yes, spelling matters.  But I gotta go.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-442167</link>
		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I use very specific terms when describing these kinds of things because it matters. I have a friend whose Mother ( from Ireland) cals te potato famine of the 1840;s the Irish Holocaust.  Well, the Brits, though they allowed the mass starvation to kill millions, did not actually cause the famine. I know most peole do not read and do not know history so it is very important not to mix everything together.  If you do, nothing has meaning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, I think you playing it a little loose when you say - hey  the concentration camp term was created during the Boer War therefore its use for both the German lagers and for the camps the US hamefully put Japenese citizens in is accurate. Why not the Soviet Gulags?  The point is, does it make a proper distinction so that people understand the differences?  Let’s add an example - was Andersonville just a POW camp during the Civil War?  Or a death camp like what the Nazis put Russian soldiers in to starve them to death? The American Jewish GIs captured and sent to Belsen were in a death camp, a work camp, or a POW camp?  Yes, the distinction matters.  Everytime I hear some idiot say even Hitler supported the Geneva conventions I want to puke.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looking for disctinctions in terms is not to belittle anyhting.  “Ethnic cleansing” as opposed to “genocide” mean very different things.  I think language matters and when you try to say everything is equal, and start emliminating language, it sounds to me like a call to laziness.  Let;s not be lazy.  Let’s be better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use very specific terms when describing these kinds of things because it matters. I have a friend whose Mother ( from Ireland) cals te potato famine of the 1840;s the Irish Holocaust.  Well, the Brits, though they allowed the mass starvation to kill millions, did not actually cause the famine. I know most peole do not read and do not know history so it is very important not to mix everything together.  If you do, nothing has meaning.</p>
<p>Yes, I think you playing it a little loose when you say &#8211; hey  the concentration camp term was created during the Boer War therefore its use for both the German lagers and for the camps the US hamefully put Japenese citizens in is accurate. Why not the Soviet Gulags?  The point is, does it make a proper distinction so that people understand the differences?  Let’s add an example &#8211; was Andersonville just a POW camp during the Civil War?  Or a death camp like what the Nazis put Russian soldiers in to starve them to death? The American Jewish GIs captured and sent to Belsen were in a death camp, a work camp, or a POW camp?  Yes, the distinction matters.  Everytime I hear some idiot say even Hitler supported the Geneva conventions I want to puke.</p>
<p>Looking for disctinctions in terms is not to belittle anyhting.  “Ethnic cleansing” as opposed to “genocide” mean very different things.  I think language matters and when you try to say everything is equal, and start emliminating language, it sounds to me like a call to laziness.  Let;s not be lazy.  Let’s be better.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Horse</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-441954</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rev Deb —  The entire process of Indian “boarding Schools” was a violent destruction of a young Native’s access to their culture, specifically designed to eliminate generational transition.  Imagine the parents being forced to watch their kids taken away violently, then imagine the kids taken.  A scar of horror for life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;while it’s a very dark episode in US history, thankfully it failed.  But the scars remain.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev Deb —  The entire process of Indian “boarding Schools” was a violent destruction of a young Native’s access to their culture, specifically designed to eliminate generational transition.  Imagine the parents being forced to watch their kids taken away violently, then imagine the kids taken.  A scar of horror for life.</p>
<p>while it’s a very dark episode in US history, thankfully it failed.  But the scars remain.</p>
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		<title>By: katie fite</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-441775</link>
		<dc:creator>katie fite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 04:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;… you know, at some level, a bit of the satisfaction Bushco gets in the new Camps is that dastardly Clinton and his Interior Secretary, Bruce Babbitt, made at least one of the Japanese internment camps into National Monuments to commemorate the delusions of the empowered and the suffering of the imprisoned -like here in Idaho at Minidoka  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So bringing back concentration/internment camps also gives these sickos an extra rush in mocking and undoing efforts of only a few years ago to elevate consciousness so that this would never again happen on American soil …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… you know, at some level, a bit of the satisfaction Bushco gets in the new Camps is that dastardly Clinton and his Interior Secretary, Bruce Babbitt, made at least one of the Japanese internment camps into National Monuments to commemorate the delusions of the empowered and the suffering of the imprisoned -like here in Idaho at Minidoka  </p>
<p>So bringing back concentration/internment camps also gives these sickos an extra rush in mocking and undoing efforts of only a few years ago to elevate consciousness so that this would never again happen on American soil …</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-441694</link>
		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 04:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Back in ‘88 I drove across the country and made a stop in the Lolo Natl. Forest in ID. There was a ranger in the info. booth and we got into a conversation. I don’t remember what tribe he was from but he couldn’t have been much older than 30. He said that when he was a kid, the teachers in the schools would beat them if they spoke a word of their native language. Essentially the language was beaten out of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A visit to the Pipestone Natl. Monument in MN will also tell the tale of the same kind of school. There, the kids were stolen from their parents, taken to the school, de-loused, had their hair cut short (a real desecration for Native Americans) and had english beaten into them as well. I can’t tell you how somber and shameful it felt to see the pictures and read the stories.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder if our country has ever been what we like to think it is. Having trouble finding the ideals we keep trying to export to more “backwards” countries.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in ‘88 I drove across the country and made a stop in the Lolo Natl. Forest in ID. There was a ranger in the info. booth and we got into a conversation. I don’t remember what tribe he was from but he couldn’t have been much older than 30. He said that when he was a kid, the teachers in the schools would beat them if they spoke a word of their native language. Essentially the language was beaten out of them.</p>
<p>A visit to the Pipestone Natl. Monument in MN will also tell the tale of the same kind of school. There, the kids were stolen from their parents, taken to the school, de-loused, had their hair cut short (a real desecration for Native Americans) and had english beaten into them as well. I can’t tell you how somber and shameful it felt to see the pictures and read the stories.</p>
<p>I wonder if our country has ever been what we like to think it is. Having trouble finding the ideals we keep trying to export to more “backwards” countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Dido</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-441668</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Dido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to the conversation (which now seems to be over) again.  Thank you, David, for bringing this up.  The internment of Japanese-American citizens and residents remains a  disgrace to our history, and it amazes me how people continue to pretend it wasn’t so bad (as if downtown LA had not been built on land basically stolen from Japanese-Americans forced to sell when they were interned).  More than thirty years ago, my very own grandmother (a housewife who had nothing to do with national security or policy) said to me, defensively, that she had visited the Santa Anita racetracks, and they weren’t such a bad place for the interned families to live.  The horse-stalls were pretty sizable and comfortable, she said. This from a woman who felt that every person should have their own private bathroom in a house.  I loved her and all, but I could not believe what I was hearing.  I’m appalled to find that there are still people saying this kind of thing.  Thanks for bringing it to our attention. I hope there can be enough of an outcry to bring justice to the current internment of people into the modern concentration camps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the conversation (which now seems to be over) again.  Thank you, David, for bringing this up.  The internment of Japanese-American citizens and residents remains a  disgrace to our history, and it amazes me how people continue to pretend it wasn’t so bad (as if downtown LA had not been built on land basically stolen from Japanese-Americans forced to sell when they were interned).  More than thirty years ago, my very own grandmother (a housewife who had nothing to do with national security or policy) said to me, defensively, that she had visited the Santa Anita racetracks, and they weren’t such a bad place for the interned families to live.  The horse-stalls were pretty sizable and comfortable, she said. This from a woman who felt that every person should have their own private bathroom in a house.  I loved her and all, but I could not believe what I was hearing.  I’m appalled to find that there are still people saying this kind of thing.  Thanks for bringing it to our attention. I hope there can be enough of an outcry to bring justice to the current internment of people into the modern concentration camps.</p>
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		<title>By: patience</title>
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		<dc:creator>patience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The important take away here is that the modern fascist movement is not a movement of young brownshirts. It’s a movement of angry and dangerously misinformed senior citizens. It’s the O’reilly demographic writ large.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important take away here is that the modern fascist movement is not a movement of young brownshirts. It’s a movement of angry and dangerously misinformed senior citizens. It’s the O’reilly demographic writ large.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-441551</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn’t the government recently apologize for this interment?  If so, why would they do it all over again?  Oh right, George Bush.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn’t the government recently apologize for this interment?  If so, why would they do it all over again?  Oh right, George Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/03/some-dare-call-them-concentration-camps-pt-2/#comment-441545</link>
		<dc:creator>scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-441508&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fredo @ 71&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;These camps are, of course, part of the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt and Earl Warren.  The only difficulty I have with calling them “concentration camps” is that that term has come to be associated with camps where people were tortured and murdered by the millions, subjected to ghastly medical experimentation, and literally worked to death.  The use of such a loaded term to describe FDR’s own abomination seems a bit farfetched.  They were awful in their own right–why import a terminology that seems deliberately calculated to mislead?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The author addressed that very question in the previous post, one thread back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-441508"><em>Fredo @ 71</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>These camps are, of course, part of the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt and Earl Warren.  The only difficulty I have with calling them “concentration camps” is that that term has come to be associated with camps where people were tortured and murdered by the millions, subjected to ghastly medical experimentation, and literally worked to death.  The use of such a loaded term to describe FDR’s own abomination seems a bit farfetched.  They were awful in their own right–why import a terminology that seems deliberately calculated to mislead?</p>
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<p>The author addressed that very question in the previous post, one thread back.</p>
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