
We'll, there's just nothing like that good old Right Wing Civility, now is there?
A radio talk-show entertainer whose earlier statements that he "may" have to assassinate members of Congress if the wrong people were elected Nov. 7 now has set a timetable for those killings.
In a statement on his website, Hal Turner noted that a newspaper has reported that a bill granting amnesty to illegal aliens is expected to be enacted in January, when the Democratic Party takes control of the U.S. Senate and House.
"ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF ANY SUCH AMNESTY WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION," Turner posted on his website.
(snip)
"Members of The United States House of Representatives or United States Senate who try to grant any form of Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens are hereby notified they may as well paint a bulls-eye target on themselves. Our Bullets don't care about their sovereign power," he wrote.
Isn't that special?
Can you imagine the shit-storm that would erupt if a liberal posted an entry like that on their blog? If, for instance, I called for the murder of Republicans in Congress who sponsored the Defense of Marriage Amendment? Here, just for shits and giggles, I'll do it:
ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO INTRODUCES, CO-SPONSORS OR VOTES IN FAVOR OF A BAN ON GAY MARRIAGE WILL BE DECLARED A DOMESTIC ENEMY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED A LEGITIMATE TARGET FOR ASSASSINATION!
Ooooh, actually that felt kinda cool. Nothing like a home-grown fatwah to give you a sense of importance in the world. Unfortunately, I don't mean a word of it. But if I did, we'd be coming for you, Billy Frist. And you, too, Marilyn Musgrave. How would you like it if I went on to post directions to your house so that my readers can come and "protest" your decisions in person? Well, at least Hal Turner didn't go quite that far, in spite of the fact that his baying, bloodthirsty readers asked him to, not because he thought it might result in actual violence, but because it would give those dirty, dirty liberal politicos a chance to arm themselves and hire security:
Turner also declined a suggestion to post a list of addresses and provide maps "so people can protest at their homes" by saying, "Once I publish such a list, they would undoubtedly feel the need and take steps to secure themselves. If we forewarn them by publicly publishing a list, we lose the element of surprise."
One other reader said, "I'm sitting here now with my 30.06 stripped down. Can do this in the dark. Don't want any grains of sand in the mechanism," he wrote.
Or Cheetos crumbs.
Fucking Right Wingers, always sitting around in the dark and lovingly stroking their guns. What on earth could they be compensating for? I simply can't imagine…
Apparently, Turner's been at this for a few weeks. This is what he posted before the elections:
"We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic…
"Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary," he wrote.
Just for a moment, I want you to imagine what would happen if I or Jane or Christy or Pach wrote a statement like that. Doubtless, the Secret Service would be dropping by to ask us some pointed questions, that is, if we didn't get whisked off to some windowless holding room in a secret CIA prison in Romania.
Some well-meaning soul did forward Little Hal's comments to the FBI, to which he responded thusly:
"You called the FBI about me? BIG DEAL! One can only illegally 'incite' violence when what is said is uttered in a context which lends itself to IMMINENT lawlessness. I will not be arrested because I have thus far committed no crime. Just because you don't understand the subtle delineations of the law does not mean I have broken the law. The FBI has been receiving reports about me from morons like you for six years. I'm still here. Your posting did, however, give me a chuckle!"
Well, he's nothing if not self-assured.
But his posting also continued further into his plans, and his expectations for the consequences.
"The pro-white movement has a habit of making martyrs of folks who take action. They hold rallies for them. They put up web sites about them. Just so we're clear, the only people authorized to do that for me after I become a martyr (alive or dead) are those who stand with me when the fight takes place. Because if you are, TODAY, 'pro-white' and you fail to stand with me in confronting our renegade government, then I say you are a coward and I don't want my name being uttered by cowards," he wrote.
The "pro-white movement"? Dude. This man is clearly very, very disturbed. All of this reads like something you'd find on some high school malcontent's MySpace page after a school shooting. But you know, he's ultimately a Republican and as such, he gets a free pass from the media, the Rightard Blogosphere, and everyone else who could actually shut him down. No matter how hateful and extreme they are, the Pajamofascists always get excused because their prejudices ultimately echo the very real racism and vigilantism that lurks in the hearts and minds of uneducated Fox News America. "He don't mean nothin' by it," they'll say, "You liberals get upset about every li'l damn thing, doncha?"
I'm sure that CNN Headline News will be rushing in at any moment to offer him his own half-hour show between Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace. Seems to be about their métier these days, doesn't it?
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quadFITZ!
Fitzer!
Fitzest!
From the Evil Dictionary:
Pro-White Movement: Klan on the kan.
God, we complain about our talkback shock jocks over here, but never to they plumb the depths of violent rhetoric like this Turner guy.
What’s particularly interesting is their abject need to feel oppressed and under threat. Their real lives are obviously not interesting enough.
What’s Hal Turner’s address?
What syndicate is carrying this guy??
TRex, I honestly don’t know how you and Jane and Christy and Pach and everyone else here does it. I read about this earlier and I’m still at a loss for words. The level of hypocrisy and double standard defies common sense, but then of course we are talking about the reich wing so I guess common sense doesn’t really figure into it. Thank you all once again for fighting the good fight. I would really love to end with something pithy and clever but again this level of hatred and stupidity leaves me speechless…
TRex!
Obviously we “liberal/progressives” are the only ones who actually mean the words we use. That’s why the Regressives can say whatever they want and then claim their words are…well, just words and therefore meaningless. Words spoken in opposition, however, are unpatriotic. So only the right-wingers have real freedom of speech, because speech doesn’t really mean anything, now, does it? Unless it’s left-wing speech, and then it must be stopped, even by violence and illegal means. I’m sure that’s just what the founders meant when they gave ALL Americans freedom of speech, as a basic human right.
I say we deluge the FCC with complaints about this. I don’t think the government needs to grant anyone a radio license for the purpose of inciting murder.
Or at least they should fine Turner (and his station) about $500,000. Threatening to kill people is far more indecent than anything Howard Stern ever did.
Maybe it’s just another example of that Ann-Coulter-style wingnut “humor” that lefties don’t seem to get.
twolf1 @ 6
We can’t tell you that, because you might TP his lawn, and then he’d have to assassinate you.
Hal Turner on wikipedia
Isn’t this a violation of FCC rules?
Or do they only apply to liberals?
Oooooo, scarrrrrrry. How do they get away with this shit?
TRex – dude, if you find any other racist, insane wignuts please keep us apprised. :D
Actually, I guess the point is that the 52 -> 45 -> 39 -> 35 -> 36 -> 35 -> 31 -> 39 -> 31 percent of ‘merica is probably talking to their neighbors about what they heard on the radio.
Never mind. Carry on. Sorry for the interruption.
Does he have any listeners in New York City? I think I know a few prosecutors there (and probably in other big cities as well) who would be more than happy to go after him for making terroristic threats…
Tom Burka @ 10
I filed a complaint with the FCC when Pat Robertson called for Hugo Chavez’ assassination (IIRC). No response. Apparently, the statutes are only for sex, not murder.
OT – UN appeals to Iraq on executions
Yippee! Ohio friendly Late Night (we are on the East Coast, after all).
As for the Turner diarrheas…, lately I’m all for flinging the pooh at Fred Hiatt.
If you ask me, this Cliff May post isn’t too far off the path of ‘Unhinged’.
http://corner.nationalreview.c…..ZjOTViYmQ=
twolf1 @ 6
If I told you that, we’d lose THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE!!
If he said that about the president it would be against the law, wouldn’t it? Why not congress or us little people?
Who pays this guy?
I’m with Tom Burka. What ever he writes as part of his schtick carries to his brand on air.
He is using publicly-owned airwaves to facilitate distribution of hate speech. Stations that are licensed to use our airwaves do so to serve the public interest, and hate speech making specific calls for violence does not do this. This is far more offensive than Janet Jackson’s exposed nipple, and deserves more attention for this reason.
1. Start with filing a complaint with the FCC for Obscene, Indecent and Profane broadcasts. Point out that Turner advocates in writing violent acts; these calls for violence against elected officials are propelled by way of an audience he acquires using publicly-owned airwaves, which is counter to the public interest.
2. Then file a Petition to Deny Renewal of License with the FCC for any broadcaster carrying Turner, stating the reason for your objections.
3. And then ask Rep. Louise Slaughter to re-submit her Fairness and Accountability in Broadcasting Act to the 110th Congress (she’s done this under the 108th and 109th, only to have it buried in committee).
4. If you’re up for it, start taking on his advertisers. Write a letter asking why they want their product associated with a person who makes calls for violence against duly elected officials. Provide links to his works.
WE own these airwaves; WE don’t let any sociopath advance his agenda at our expense and the expense of our children.
The Filibuster @ 21
Wow. So what drove him over the edge?
This guy doesnt have a podcast of this rant does he? I’d like to put it to some Klan images and post it on YouTube.
I still that you’d have more luck getting some state law enforcement agency to pursue this… I’m certainly not a lawyer, but don’t most of them have laws that make it illegal for someone to incite their residents into committing murder?
Agreed. Man clearly needs more kitty-litter boxes to clean. Bet his cats left him.
However, I never *heard* of this guy before, still have never heard him, and wonder if we can ignore him nto oblivion, or perhaps into taking acion? Or do you suppose he’s the type to goad one of his listeners like the 30.06 guy into doing something rash, then standing back and saying, “Not me! I said ‘may’, not ‘will’. Nyah, nyah!”
Blub @ 28
Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter are still running around, unhinged and unhindered.
I dunno. Coulter’s been off the radar a lot lately. She may have holed up in some crack-house in Miami, so we don’t know how unhindered she may or may not be.
OT but maybe not, and *so* on the bright side, from the Guess Who’s Going to Washington thread:
steelthing @
295
Wow, that Wikipedia page is full of creepiness (but also some interesting tales of him getting pranked a couple of weeks ago–ha ha!). Creepiest fact–he broadcasts from a studio in his home. What do you suppose he’s doing with his hands while his mouth is running?
isn’t this different? Turner’s identified specific targets and even suggests an approach to soliciting this crime. I may be wrong, but I can’t think of anything so specific from the other w@nkers. They may do so indirectly, by saying that they wouldn’t be surprised if somebody does this or that or blows up thisor that.. or even that they “wish” somebody would do it.. this seems more explicit.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 31
He probably uses a toeball mouse.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @
27
I’d like to get a copy of that podcast myself Toobz. That could make for a really good YouTube video.
Mentioned the May blurb to my wife (who never comments – tis a shame) and she said “We had to kill him over there so we don’t have to kill him here.”
I’ll probably be thinking about that for a week.
HotFlash @ 33
Awesome!!!
Guys, no more links to Turner’s address. A little birdie asked me to cut that out so we don’t get the blog into trouble. I pulled the comments that made specific reference to it.
Thanks.
Today’s word in our nifty new word-of-the-day calendar is
Trumpery
Isn’t that just perfect today?
Perhaps an appropo Hal Turner lovesong:
Oh to be a Wingnut…
When I grow up, there’s nothin’ I’d rather be,
Than a stark-ravin’ Wingnut, swingin’ in a tree.
There’s nothin’ we wouldn’t lie about, so spare me the bile.
There’s nobody we wouldn’t steal from, gimme that sucker child!
We’ll charge your grandma for treason, iffen she makes even a peep.
We’ll lock her up in Gitmo and there for evermore she’ll keep.
Not ‘titled to a lawyer, not even a brief.
We’ll even waterboard your grandpa if he gives us any grief.
Oh the joys of bein’ a Wingnut, free from law and sense,
Everything belongs to us Wingnuts, even the President.
We don’t have no principles, no morals for me,
I’m a stark-ravin’ Wingnut, munchin’ Cheetos in a tree.
The soon-to-be-introduced preznit campaign theme song of Lord “We’re losin’, let’s escalate!” McCain. Lovingly illustrated in 4 crayon color by Junya. Adapted from a mumble by Deadeye Cheney.
Blub @ 36
I’ll let Jon Swift answer that one. Although I don’t have his phone number, I’m sure it’s in the book.
Hal Turner is Closed!
*may have some objectionable language
Mad Dogs @ 40
*sniff!*
It’s beautiful!
Froomkin writes: Meanwhile, the intellectual architect of the “surge”, Frederick W. Kagan, admits to the Journal: “If we surge and it doesn’t work, it’s hard to imagine what we do after that.”
Is it just me or does “intellectual architect” seem awkward in this sentence? Maybe “criminal instigator” or just “shithead” would make the passage more euphonious.
twolf1 @ 45
YAY I dont have to, somebody already did!
You would think Reps in Congress might ask for an investigation, but then he would get the attention he’s seeking. If he didn’t say such things he, and his ilk, the Coulters, Malkins, Hannity’s, and other icky’s would have nothing to say and no audience to say it to.
It’s not that I give a crap about what they spew, it’s that I’m ticked that the wingnutts are trying to limit our freedom of speech. That’s not good.
Having said that, I’m sure interested in seeing if there is a coo-coo-nut response to your statement up there. Please try to keep us posted. I hear the weather’s nice at Gitmo this time of year.
How funny. He keeps ranting about “this government” (which, I think almost anyone would acknowledge is currently and has been wholly Republican in character for some years), but his solution to the problem is to advocate the assassination of Democrats.
Nah, no paranoid schizophrenia there. Nah.
What a fuckin’ country, huh? It’s a laugh a minute, if you’ve not yet hyperventilated from hysterical laughter already….
He apparently was blogging on Blogspot, and was supposed to be back on the air tonight with a major announcement but his site is still off.
citizen k @ 46
Gark. Not just you. So here is a statement by a guy who admits he is just guessing/hoping. There are lives on the line. Jr. has just precipated a very bad thing. Way to go fuckwad. Cheney has to resign first. That is the only acceptable cover to begin with.
Closed eh? Bet he’s off gunning for Jann Wenner and Matt Nye.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 48
I wish I could focus properly on that YouTube, but I have too much going on here at work. Can someone explain this prank to me?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 49
Must have the same ISP as Lieberman. ya know, susceptible to attack and all…
Sandia Blanca @
32
Wow, he puts on a shirt and tie to radio broadcast from home? Is that just a wingnut thing or is he phenomenally dedicated? ‘Corse, we can’t see his feet.
Okay, I’m getting the gist of the prank off of Wikipedia. Boy, Mr. Turner is a sick, sick puppy, isn’t he?
We may have to toy with him for a few nights, after all.
TRex @ 55
Some group of hackers launched a sustained denial of service attack on him for his racist rantings and drove up his bandwidth bill to the point he had to shut down. They then posted the YouTube as a victory dance, you should check it out when you get home later, its highly entertaining.
Alright, gang. Packing it in to head to the grocery store and then home.
I’ll check back in a bit.
EvilDrPuma @
12
If we soap his windows does he still get to be a martyr?
;>)
darkblack @ 58
He may leave brown streaks on his white sheets.
Hal Turner on Anti-Defamation League site
and doing a search there for hal turner is scarier
Meanwhile, the FBI seems a bit wimpy here:
Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said he couldn’t confirm what investigations are being pursued.
“The Internet does not give anyone a license to espouse violence, but there is a certain amount of protection, First Amendment protections, that are built in and we’re mindful of those,” he said.
He called it a “fine line,” and said what the agency would do is look at all the information available and “make a determination” whether any crime might have been committed.
darkblack @ 60
Ever notice that we never see Darkblack and TRex in the same post?
tryggth @ 64
Thats a joke…
citizen k @ 44
Like a virgin, in love with war for the very first time!
tryggth @ 62
It is, eh?
;>)
Man, I’d have some fun dropping this racist skell off in a bad part of town…
Turner, you just made my shitlist.
Where is this shill based?
TRex @
38
I can understand the whole personal address part of things. Better than stooping to their level I suppose.
But how about just his personal email address:
After all… It’s only some harmless traffic over the InterToobz.
The Filibuster @
21
Monday, January 01, 2007
A THOUGHT EXPERIMENT [Cliff May]
Imagine that Saddam had not been executed. Imagine that he had been sentenced to life in prison.
Now imagine that a group of pro-Saddam terrorists seizes an elementary school. They say they will kill all the students and teachers if Saddam is not released within 24 hours.
Should Saddam then be released? Or should several dozen innocent children and their teachers be killed?
Is it not better that we have guaranteed that it will never be necessary to make such a choice?
Another Thought Experiment:[Cliff May]
Imagine that Saddam had not been executed. Imagine that he had been sentenced to life in prison.
Now imagine that after he got to prison he asked for ice cream.
Should Saddam get the ice cream Or should he be forced to eat the same old frozen yogurt that the rest of the prisoners eat.
Is it not better that we have guaranteed that he never get ice cream again by executing him?
Here is a direct statement from Hal to those malicious looney leftists who are attacking his website:
He’s laughing alright. Just not on the Internet! :)
Methinks Hal Turner’s trying to make a name for himself… he needn’t have bothered… “Fucking Asshole” more than suffices…
I really hope he puts a picture of himself up with “I am defeated” across the face on his website like the hackers are demanding.
Someone who knows in what county this idiot is based (and preferably a resident of that county) should consider writing the DA there and asking them to investigate him for specific and targeted death threats or whatever the equivalent local charge is… probably cc the letter to Turner’s congress-critter as well.. if the critter is one of the people being threatened.
criminal conspiracy in the model criminal code has two elements: (1) an agreement between two or more persons to commit an illegal act, and (2) a definite action by one of the members of the conspiracy towards accomplishing the act.
I guess this putz better hope that his listeners don’t take any definite action.
anybody wanna change the subject?
I’ve gotten to the bottom of it, the REAL Hal Turner story:
Hal Turner Needs It
Also – his site got hacked until it had to go away…method was a constant download of pictures posted on his site by bots, inspired by the fact that he decided to pick a fight over a school break with college kids who called into his show.
Mary McCurnin @ 67
Still Another Cliff May Thought Experiment:
Wouldn’t it be great if Saddam had gotten life in prison?
And wouldn’t it be even better if Cliff May got to share his cell?
And wouldn’t it be great if the guards brought beer?
Blub @
65
Jersey
Changing the subject.. a fairly entertaining Aussie editorial on b43’s attempt to Trumanize himself.
http://www.theaustralian.news……83,00.html
Julie @ 60
I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of Congress Critters in it?
I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of ReThuglican Congress Critters in it?
I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of Cabinet Officers in it?
And finally, I wonder what the FBI would do if the threat had specific names of Supreme Court Justices in it?
Would our ‘G-Men’ Parse the Parse or Talk the Talk or perhaps just Walk the Dog?
Inquiring minds are interested.
I know J Edgar would not have hesitated to Act like a Tough Guy. (Gal?)
Mary, Mary quite Contrary
(DI-1/3/07)
…For a few spittle laced sentences at the end there we find out that he’s not ranting about immigration or murder anymore, but rather in code he’s speaking to the all male guest list for an orgy in a room he’d paid a deposit for already. They call themselves the ‘New Jersey Nutters’, and apparantly it’s been a passion of Hal’s over the years to take some time off, lie to the wife about a conference he’s going to, and unwind the only way he knows how to anymore. Seems that the ‘Nutters’ have been his primary source of support over the years, and with the relative failure of his radio career, the pressure is certainly taking its toll. A member of the group who insisted on remaining nameless for the sake of his safety had this to say,
So there you have it. It’s not about illegal immigrants or Democrats at all, but rather another example of a gay American man who needs to hate himself for a living to afford college for his kids. In Colorado a mega-church CEO goes down flaming, and here on the east coast there’s another case of it, another wife and kids who have to deal with the lifelong psychological burden. Compounding the issue though is the difference in message, whereas Pastor Ted simply preached to adults and children about hating themselves and their neighbors in the name of the Lord, Hal Turner is taking it up a notch. Like the Columbine kids in a way, Turner is channeling his self-loathing in hopes of being the first of many. Indeed, he wants to go down in history.
Senator Martinez (D-NJ)…if you’re reading this, LEARN TO DUCK!
steelthing rocks! one extremely generous person accounts for 1/2 the FDL-DC pledge drive…
How different than the radio hosts in Africa who set the Tutsi’s against the Hutu’s — which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Surely there is a way to call this a-hole to task for inciting violence in this outrageous way!
It’s difficult to balance the need for this idiot to vent his spleen with our need to protect the right to free speech.
The end is nigh. Gay dog on dog sex. Homosexual fruitbats and queer dolphins screwing each others blowholes.
I warned you all.
-Rick Santorum
fahrender @ 73
Yeah, I’d like to complain about the Washington Post comment sections not supporting punctuation. I’m very careful about my punctuation, and I resent being made to look stoopit. I think Dean Broderella should have to columnize just for one day without any punctuation — he’ll know how stoopit it looks.
He suggests today that W is the Suggester in Chief — that he has little power to compel and now must face reality.
The punditocracy has turned on its Little Prince.
MS @ 81
I didn’t even think of that…
Walking out of the theatre after Hotel Ruwanda, that was the thing I thought of quite a bit, how the pot was constantly stired over the airwaves. Excellent point!
fahrender @ 73
I like the surge – surgeon – virgin theme. Comedy gold. But I’m on the east coast, here in Ohio. Pleasant dreams!
According to Cliff May we should kill everyone on the planet in order to prevent hostage situations.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 83
The Dean is going to lecture about reality? Whoa, Nelly!!! This is going to be better than the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
By ifthethunderdontgetya | Jan 4, 2007 12:31:38 AM | Request Removal
GSD @ 86
Okay, but what about the last guy left after he kills everybody else? What if he takes himself hostage like Sheriff Bart in “Blazing Saddles?”
Hah! i tried to go the shill’s website and found out that the corp firewall/proxy server setup I have here won’t allow me. I guess somebody took the trouble to ban him.
It sounds like we dirty fuckin’ hippies aren’t gonna get everything we want under the Solstice Tree on Pelosi-Day:
Excerpt:
Perhaps some attorney here may want to take a look at this statute and advise on whether it may apply to Turner.. NJ statute on terroristic threats… http://www.judiciary.state.nj……rthrt2.pdf
TeddySanFran @ 83
To see the Little Prince go to:
http://homepage.mac.com/marymc…..bum18.html
and click on the slide show.
On another topic entirely — Beach Impeach Project is up to 600 signups for this Saturday!
I think I will come in from Sacramento for the Beach Impeach.
EvilDrPuma @ 88
Then he will just have to negotiate with himself over his release. This could be difficult because the guy who is holding him is a real psycho.
TeddySanFran @ 90
I think Cardin has missed the point that the Congressional Thugs actually managed to make subtle: that their anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage agendas were mostly showpieces. Think about it. For several years, right-wing extremist Republicans could pass any bill they wanted, the right-wing extremist Republican president would sign it, and they were stacking the courts with right-wing extremist Republican judges who could have made it stick. When did they even introduce an abortion ban? When did a gay marriage amendment ever materialize as something more than distractionary rhetoric? Never. Those agendas were just sops for the Christianist base. What the GOP extremists as a whole really care about is authoritarianism and lining their pockets and the pockets of their corporate pimps, and they advanced those agendas shamelessly.
What evidence is out there says that the public wants a certain kind of partisan agenda. That’s why the Democrats posted such gains nationwide in November. If Cardin doesn’t see that, then I suspect he has to unzip his fly to read the newspaper.
smiley @ 72
Ah, now that is the turning point. Like a pathetic fool who tries to hire a hitman to kill his wife for the insurance money, he doesn’t want to risk getting caught himself.
If someone does take him up on the offer, he’s in big trouble. Same goes for Coulter if anything happens to a liberal Supreme Court Judge, no?
TeddySanFran @ 93
I wish I could go, I’ve been all about chimpeachment since whenever I made my geocities pages. BTW, the WaPo does not allow quotation marks (single or double) or ) or (. But you can make do with *, -, and QUOTE and UNQUOTE.
Hugh @ 95
Or he could go in shooting. Can’t negotiate with terrorists, you know.
That’s right we gave Dems a majority! Now repair the damage to the country and our constitution before you consider anything else. Let the thugs squirm over this for awhile before moving onto the next non issue.
These WATB’s get more attention now than we ever did while in a minority position.
Here we are on the Eve of Speaker Pelosi and Tweety had the audacity to end his show today with Tony Blankley in full tilt nasty mode.
This Rawstory post has probably been mentioned… but I find it amazing:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0103.html
The power of hearings is something, isn’t it? Darn those founders…
Hey Teddy, the poor dears don’t understand that the DFH’s protests are to keep the heat on and the concept front-and-center in the leadership’s vision.
And it’s just way to complicated for the media to ‘get’, let alone write about. ‘fer instance,
Well of course not. Get the obvious stuff, the policy moves that you can do right away, out of the way. Give the leadership time to figure out tactics the GOP decides to use—and these early moves will smoke the GOP out of their hole. (I mean, even the thought that Medicare might be allowed to negotiate drug purchases has sent the White House into a veto threat. Wow. And did y’all get the “I can do line item vetoes already” spin today? Doesn’t that warm your heart? I’m guessing it’s just stretching the idea of signing statements.)
I’m guessing every item on the Big Deal List will be addressed, after some hard investigations and tough questioning of lawyered-up witnesses. People expect Nancy to snap her fingers and we will be teleported to nirvana. Don’t work that way.
As my sister always said, Trust The Fucking Process.
EvilDrPuma @ 96
Heh heh. You funny, Doctor.
Sounds like you kids had some wild whig partys..)
Are there laws in his state on the mentally ill that might apply? He is probably right about the “imminent lawlessness” clause but if he were to be somehow judged insane or perhaps put in some classification of being mentally unstable. That might be enough to get around that clause.
It’s a thought. There are always ways around things if you are motivated enough. Maybe it’s time we were. Brainstorm ways to get around it.
I know, maybe he is a threat to himself? People this deranged often commit suicide. I say we need an intervention.
I don’t understand how the Capitol police and the FBI aren’t hauling this nutcase in. I swear if anything happens to Pelosi, they are also to blame.
In other news, another layoff at Home Depot,
Poor thing. Hope he’s got Cobra to help keep his health insurance.
That’s my… umm. aw, shit, I’m white!
What happens if a Democratic senator from a state with a repug gov gets murdered? Just saying Pelosi, swartzieboy. . . .
Ah, the paranoia of living in a fascist state.
And HomeDepot fires people who have been there long enough to make more than minimum wage. And they drug test all of their employees. At least they do before they get hired. I guess they don’t want people loaded while they help customers pick out carpet colors.
noen @ 105
I will self-deputize in egregious’ absence and state that I’d rather not have The State using laws against the mentally ill to rein in their speech. Never can tell who they’ll next turn that tool on, once they know it works….
I’ll never get caught up, now. Everything at the grocery store tonight took way too long.
I don’t like violence, so I suggest a coordinated egging campaign. On his way to the radio station, public appearances, whatever, wherever. Rotten eggs are better, hardboiled probably not messy enough. just egg the mothers! Anybody who espouses violence should be egged. Or rather, we MAY have to egg these these scum. At least that is my opinion, not any kind of illegal incitement. Where is that guy who nailed Bush’s limo six years ago around this time.
Peace, Lovey & Da Bears!
TSF – It’s a precarious situation indeed, but, a clear danger too society or themselves is a different tune. Evaluation might be in the best interest of the public.
TRex @ 113
laffy taffy? that can go a long way.
TRex @ 113
Welcome back! Perhaps the novel-not-yet-in-progress could be a true tale of Kroger evenings?
We missed you. We’re rather loosely arranged around a number of topics, the North Bergen Assassinator being one of them. Nice find! — what’s your detox when you land one like this and haul him back here for our amusement?
Ah, shucks TRex, I’m usually two threads behind.
BUT…How’s the book coming? Jane and Kos got you a publishing company, all the late-night folks are ready to pre-order, and 362 days ahead of you this year. A page a day. No pressure, of course…
not at all OT – please check out Mike Stark’s latest diary at DKos, if so inclined
There was a topic?
P.F. Moran @ 114
I would classify that as a bad idea. Turner is the kind of guy who gets hit with a raw egg and pulls a machine pistol out of his briefcase and starts randomly plugging away at everyone in sight. Don’t do it.
MelodyMaker @ 120
There was a topic!
The right wing needs therapy.
Oh, but you know I completely missed out on the last couple weeks of Mr. Turner’s life, which have apparently been quite eventful. Maybe he’ll get a follow-up post tomorrow night.
My detox when I get home? Silence. I’ve been listening to the radio for eight hours without stopping. My ears just want a chance to reset themselves.
Based on what I’ve read, I’d say he’s threatening to assassinate members of Congress, which could also be construed as a direct threat to the POTUS. I don’t quite understand why Secret Service hasn’t been jumping on this yet.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 122
Right. Like egg throwing. I’m not in favor of that either. My Old Man is one of them. I don’t have a fu’n clue what to do with him, But he’s the best example I can think of. eh
Bobo, from behind the paywall at NYT:
[snip]
[snip]
Thursday WaPo chatz, questions accepted anytime:
Lois Romano, political reporter, at 11 eastern
Excerpt from Lois Romano’s “In The Loop” column Thursday:
National Security reporter Dana Priest at 12:30 eastern
It pains me to see plutocrats fight.
n o f ‘ i n w a y.
That’s too far out..
Of course, I thought ThinkProgress was goofing today when they said that Ellison was going to do his photo with Thomas Jefferson’s qr’an.
George Will has an idea about the minimum wage.
stuft! I don’t know what I typed to get me so quarantined.
Anyway, watch out for Michele Bachmann. She’s easily as “cute” as Harris, and twice as “nice”. (if by “nice”, you mean evil)
Turner would be considered a moderate and centrist by the MSM. He’s one of the last honest men, up there with McCain and Lieberman. He’s mainstream.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 129
I’m soooooo not clicking that link.
Thomas Jefferson was apparently an Islamofascist. What ever will the Reichers do?
MelodyMaker @ 130
Are you in mn?
George Will knows no humility. None. Nada.
I hate him. I hate him. I hate him.
I want to find out why he thinks he is sooooooo
important. I am going to google his bio.
TeddySanFran @ 90
Sen. Cardin needs to have a few things explained to him (maybe I’ll see if Sen. Webb will talk to him.)
It is Sen. Cardin who has fallen into the “trap” of thinking of things in the GOP’s terms. We don’t want our “anger” “acknowledged.” We don’t want a “partisan tone” purely for the sake of partisanship, or to “get” the Republicans, which is what’s been making people sick when they did it.
We want them to get us out of Iraq, address global warming, restore civil liberties, ensure honest elections, punish war profiteers and corruption, create open government, de-politicize scientific research, and the rest not because they’ll piss off Republicans, but because they’re the right thing to do, they’re widely popular, and they’re good for the whole country (not just the Democratic base.)
We want them to be proudly partisan when the Republicans are opposing things that are good for the country, and pushing things that are bad for the country. We want them to be partisan when it will highlight that the Republicans are doing those things.
We want them to care about making government work well, because that’s what Democrats do. Since Republicans believe that “government is the problem” and trash it at every turn, doing that is likely to be partisan as a side effect, but it’s not the point. The point is to serve the common good and do it effectively.
If you’re not acting for the sole purpose of being partisan, you should never back off from doing those things because you happen to be partisan in the process. If the voters aren’t already discontented with your results they’re unlikely to worry much about being discontented with the process. Get it, Sen. Cardin?
Mary McCurnin @ 134
Your comments are merely reaffirming my decision not to click that link.
But what a 21st century threat! “Don’t piss me off, bitch. I’ll google your bio.”
TeddySanFran @ 127
Well, a) she’d already had her eight years on the committee and couldn’t have stood for chair without a change in rules, as it was, b) she’s had her nose so far up Bush’s butt in the last five years she can tell what he just had for dinner (to her, that’s intelligence), and last, but hardly least, she’s a card-carrying member of the Lieberman for War Party.
Sorry, my calendar’s full–there’s just no time to attend Harman’s pity party….
ReneND @ 133
the same town where Norm Coleman was a Democrat (sic) Mayor.
Hi Rene
Trex, they’re going to dig Thomas Jefferson’s body up, and
lynchhand it over to the Sadr hanging squad.G’night firepups, I mean it this time.
I’m washing my hair that night, too.
TRex @ 135
That is funny.
This is one of the things from Will’s bio.
George Will is a global warming skeptic.
I should have known.
TRex @
131
I smiled bigtime when I heard that Ellison was using a Koran donated to the Congress by a man who’d be a constituent of Virgil Goode’s were he still alive — Thomas Jefferson.
This’ll make some ‘nutters heads explode, ya think?
Wolcott has a post of interest to everyone here. Warning, the guy whose ass he rips wrote a post that is gonna piss all of you off. I’m fuckin fuming right now.
Translate the US Constitution to some (dum dum dum) that only they can read.
Fini FiniTOOBZ,
Yea but Wolcott got him good don’t ya think?
TeddySanFran @ 141
I think its fantastic he is doing this. It isnt very well known that Jefferson studied all faiths and was mainly a Deist.
MelodyMaker @ 138
My daughter is close by you. It will be fun to watch Normie morph back again.
Is Bachmann part of Bachmann floral family? Hope not. I love that place.
Mary McCurnin @ 144
Oh Wolcott rocked! He nailed his ass but good. I just was so fucking incensed by the asshole after I read that putrid shit that I had to calm myself down.
montag @
136
I’m most irritated because the endless “catfight” references are purposefully used to obscure the entirely valid policy dispute Pelosi had with Harman over the President’s illegal warrantless wiretapping. Besides its hideous woman-bashing, this drivel obfuscates and allows to go unmentioned an impeachable offense of the pResident.
Ganite yall. I am off to bed with two dogs, two cats and one husband.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 143
I suspect that Jane is, ahem, preparing a suitable reply to the, uh, blogger in question right now.
I have little doubt that she will acquit herself very well, so to speak. :)
I bet Jane doesn’t even give him the column inches. Why bother? His post says so much more about himself than it says anything about Jane.
montag @ 150
I’m sure she is, and I know she will defend herself more than adequately. She is our Warrior Queen on things like this. I just can’t fuckin believe that asshole is all. Still fuming.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 148
Toobz…The internet never forgets.
;>)
montag @
150
yup, it’s nice of James to defend her, but I expect he’ll be joining us lads in the corner — when she gets around to it herself. There’s just no one better to defend Jane from them but Jane, although it’s nice of Wolcott to try. We all have.
You know what does piss me off about that guy’s post? He’s ripping off my freaking writing style, but he’s doing it oh, so badly.
Redshift @ 11:00
Very well spoken
TRex @ 151
So True, and much like that incident that prompted the family meeting a few weeks back, I suspect this is another traffic trap set by a 7th rate blogger fishing for a flame war.
TRex @ 155
I thought it was horrible writing, and I never saw the similarity to your writing. Yours is so, um, on-target and righteous!
Oh look, TRex and I here together…What will the neighbors think (see # 61)
;>)
neurophius @ 156
Yes, touche’ — and do ask Senator Webb to get Ben Cardin with the new program, please.
TRex @ 155
Oh hell no dude. Thats nowhere near your style. His was more snarling and sneering whereas your style is snarky and snappy. You can visualize the grin on your face from yours, with this fuck you visualize a scowling drunken whinefest.
darkblack @ 159
OH NOOOOO!!
YOU’VE OPENED THE HOLE IN THE SPACE/TIME CONTINU-
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 152
Those in the right wing without talent (virtually all of `em) spent a lot of years watching re-runs of Tiny Tim on the Tonight Show. They learned, from that education, that the more outrageous one is, the more one gets noticed.
Same with our interlocuter here. Except that if one is so talentless that even outrageousness doesn’t get you a few extra hits a week, you’d best go back to your main skill in life,
sniffingselling shoes, stocking women’s panties at WalMart, whatever.tee hee
ReneND,
No. Michele Bachmann is not afiliated in any way with fine garden centers by that name. (I believe they are Bachman. big difference to some Germans here.)
Michele Bachmann’s name comes from her “gay fixer” psychologist or psychiatrist husband who is a freaking flamer if I’ve ever seen one. (I have seen one. him)
TRex:
When did your style ever consist of drooling moronically while trying to stick your head up your own ass?
TRex @ 156
Your style is more focused, narrative wise. I don’t always agree with the sentiments but ‘your right to express trumps my right to suppress’.
I think Van der Leun’s a site traffic hound whose assclown tax assessment just came due.
TRex @ 132
Yeah, I stopped reading George Will at about age sixteen, when I started noticing that every one of his columns contained massive logical flaws that completely undermined his conclusions. It might be mildly entertaining to have a look at what he gets completely wrong in this one, but not so close to bedtime.
TeddySanFran @
93
Thanks for the head’s up – just sent the sign-up link to my SF friends. Wish I could be there but am on Saturday duty at the museum. sigh!
Anyone know if I order more stuff than just Marcys book from the Amazon link, will FDL get a bigger percentage?
Shorter George Will: Minimum wage is for poor people and students and they don’t matter anyway, so fuck em.
ReneND @ 171
They’ll get a commission off whatever you order if you clicked through from here.
Redshift @ 170
Funny, that was about the same age I was when I discovered that William F. Buckley’s language got ever more dense and complicated the less he knew what he was talking about. :)
montag @
163
tip-toe through the tulle hips
And They Call Us ‘Unhinged’, Partie Deux
Deuxieme Partie, if one were to be a purist about it.
Atrios has great taste in music.
punaise @ 176
Le dans de douche, eh?
TRex, they get excused for the rhetoric because everyone recognizes their listeners are complete cowards and anyone trying to get a rise out them is just stroking their own ego.
Coulter and Limbaugh have been trying for 20 years to get the Zipperheads to rise up. Occasionally one pops up ‘anonymously mailing’ their baby powder or a small band of them locks themselves in their own houses but most just sit there and continue to grunt out how they are just victims of whatever tragedy that has befallen them that day. “I had to stand in line for 20 minutes today. What is the world coming toooooo!”
You know the type.
Hey everyone, Happy majority day!
I think, before this day is over, I will have to do some sort of dirty hippie act in celebration.
Put on White Bird, stick a flower in a gun barrel, then run around the yard in the buff..)
montag @ 178
hmmm:
Eureka Springs, AR @ 180
Yeah! see ya there. I actually have some snow left over from sunday. It’s the squeaky kind, with shards of ice. I’m wearin’ shoes..
I do not know if anyone mentioned it but that Hal Turners website is down. Wonder why??
My question is why this guy has NOT been fired?
Why is it ok to advocate for the death of Americans but ya can’t see Janet Jackson’s nipple?
punaise @
175
Oops. Heh. Fixed it.
MelodyMaker @ 185
One article of clothing. hmm alright How aboout a top hat? I have one that is at least 125 years old. Looks just like one Abe Lincoln would have owned. Sounds like a plan, unless it rains.
punaise @ 182
Stand back, you coppers, I’m innocent, see?
TRex @
183
sorry, couldn’t help back-seat driving :~)
punaise @
118
Punaise—excellent link.
Does anyone from the Bay area know of spocko’s former web site?
montag @ 185
Stand back, you coppers, I’m innocent, see?
book ‘im, Danno
RBG @ 187
tonight was the first I’ve heard of it. It’s shocking to think that such violent drivel has a market here in the Bay Area.
I only wore
an old pair of fuzzy slippers
Time for soup
twolf1 @
42
Katie, this is why his site is down. Watch the video.
klyde, if you’re here, I’m sorry I deified Thomas Jefferson in a way that threatened your righteous sense of history, dignity, sanity – whatever. pass it on to klyde, doggies, if you get the chance. I had to leave this afternoon, arriving late and leaving early to a great conversation.
katymine @ 182
He’s a self financed podcaster, no one can fire him unfortunately. Except in this case, some people figured out a way to drive his costs for bandwidth through the roof with a denial of service attack.
Everytime you try to access a website, it costs that website owner x amount of bandwidth to serve their webpage to your browser. Most webhosting packages will include enough bandwidth in their package for an average site’s traffic count which is at best a few thousand visitors per month for the average site. A site like FDL gets several thousand visitors daily and uses tons of bandwidth. Honestly, I dont know how Jane and Christy keep this thing on with the traffic loads it carries at times.
clarification: spocko is the guy who confronted the advertisers who support the violent drivel.
punaise @ 194
Spocko was boffo at getting the corpo’s to gogo from KSFO.
punaise @ 190
Never knew Edward G. Robinson did a guest spot on Hawaii 5-0. :)
montag @
196
“Mannix deep Rush’n is searching my soul”
punaise @ 199
I Rockford Files of manic-depressives.
TRex @
191
TRex,
I’m only speaking scientifically, so don’t stomp me. I’ve said it here before – FDL is to the brain what right-wing talk radio is to the lizard brain.
As long as people strive for a rational life, strive toward mercy, can’t keep themselves from jumping on the tracks when they have to help somebody the’ve never met,
we’ll get this wonderful planet back.
I have to go to bed now, but it’s kinda like Xmas morning, waiting for the majority tomorrow! See y’all in the a.m.
I’m off to bed firepups, gnight!
TeddySanFran @ 202
W’all, lets hope you don’t get coal in your stocking…. :)
montag @ 198
“Just one more thing, Mr. Montag: I thought you said you didn’t own a ukelele.”
punaise @ 205
I swear, it’s not mine. It’s my wife’s. She’s a hula dancer at the Ukiah Lay-Lay Lounge. Just part-time, to help out with her mother’s religious conversion costs. She’s Borneo again, y’know.
MelodyMaker @ 194
It’s almost warm outside!
Kind of late for naked lunch..)
Wherever Grandma Pelosi is, she must be laughing.
TeddySanFran @ 200
Sweet dreams TeddySF,Fini Fini, TRex !
PELOSI FOR PRESIDENT 20072007
(buttons & bumperstickers available online at cafepress) Pass it on….. ;>}
Good night, everybody.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 193
Turner’s blogspot site finally came up. You have to wait a while. I don’t know why. Here are some quotes:
During the show, I identified by name and address, several of the people who have been caught in previous attacks against my server. I have uploaded an archive of that show to a free to TWO SEPARATE free download sites and all of you can download it FREE.
And later:
To the utter shock of the data center, at least two of their larger, multi- GIGAbit routers were “totally saturated.” That means they were being hit with more than two thousand megabits per second! The attack was “huge.”
The data center has “null routed” my machine. This attack has caused them to completely shut off all access to my server. They will not permit me to bring it back online.
All the sites I host are off line and will remain off line. I apologize to my customers but the data center had to protect itself from this attack and the simplest way to do that was to get rid of me.
I cannot host any sites anymore because of these attacks. Tonights attacks have literally wrecked my internet business. The attacks were a willful, criminal attack in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, 18 U.S.C. 1030. The people reesponsible will be prosecuted.
But all is not lost, even though they’ve run into a snag:
That, BTW, would be these content restrictions (from the Blogger terms of service):
I think at least five adjectives in that list could describe Mr. Turner’s “honest” content.
Just wanted to pass all that on, so you know that Mr. Turner’s voice will not be silenced and you can look forward to more brutish content in the future. Hope always finds a way.
montag @ 204
j’ai lu. owww.
I’ll be shuffling off now as well. good night, all.
punaise @ 210
As must I. Goodnight all.
Cujo359 @ 211
Me too – g’nite all – wish tomorrow were a national holiday so the whole country could tune in live to watch the historic shift of power in Washington. Woo hoo!
The Democratic Surge begins today.
Ed*ard Teller @ 192
Teller
thomas jefferson was a slaver and a rapist. As I said you’re free to deify and I’m free to criticize him. You’re cheap shots are not going to change that.
Good morning, people. In the NYT today we have Bob Herbert who actually called the “surge” what it really is — escalation. Oh, yeah, and then there’s Bobo who got indigestion from a bad cocktail wienie.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/2…..-nice.html
Regarding the prose stylings of Hal Turner, down here in the South we have a term for that stuff — we call it “terroristic threats,” and you can be hauled off to the slams for it.
“shits and giggles” is such an ANNOYING phrase.
Dear Mods -
Any chance of a bit of pooper-scooping near end (but under tail) of the late nite thread so the friends of the Lake can come home w/out getting our shoes soiled? (esp. @ 2:26)
Tks much!
McCain on Imus just said the election of Leiberman is proof the Americn people don;t really want out of Iraq.
Morning, Waccamaw.
Actually, Mr. 2:26 am is rather instructional. He claims that Turner is NOT a mainstream conservative, by way of ad hominem attacks against the poster.
Hmm. So a far-right conservative is one who calls for violent acts against democratically (little d) elected officials.
And a mainstream right conservative is merely abusive and also don’t understand that the First Amendment Right of Free Speech does not provide protection for hate speech, or make allowances for use of publicly-owned resources to support hate speech.
Got it.
T Rex honey,
SOrry I don’t have time this AM to read the whole thread ( gotta get to court early today), but this is crime.
I don’t remember the section number of the top of my head, but the name of the crime is “threatening a federal officer”
Maybe some other laywer will have time to look the section number up?
This shoule be forwared to the FBI who SHOULD open what’s called a “threat assesment” file on it.
This isn’t funny, I don’t care if it is left or right side of the aisle, you don’t go around threatening to assisinate duly elected officials.
Rayne,I wonder,are the airwaves still actually public owned? I know that in theory they are SUPPOSED to be,but like alot of other things(public lands for instance,or parts of the highway system)it sure seems like they were sold off,even if not legally so.
Hi, Rayne -
Just wondered if comments like this keep some?many of the usual early morning folks from stepping in the water to avoid contamination from troll stench ;-)
An Angry Old Broad @ 222
AOB – Very good question; how does one go about finding answers to same?
Patrick McHenry (R-NC 10th) just going off C-Span1; glad I’ve not eaten breakfast yet. We got rid of Taylor; this guy needs to go on the next round.
FYI -
C-Span1 doing a number of “meet & greet” w/new congress people thru’out morning.
I live in Michele Bachman’s district. :(
She is truly a huge right-wing nut and she will be making statements on the house floor that we here in MN will be keeping track of. I wish Patty would run again, but afraid the 2 runs have exhausted her willingness to go through this again. But Bachman will have a very vigourous opponent come ‘08.
In the “holy shit” department, according to NPR and the Legal Times (linky below) Justice Rehnquist had a BIG drug problem… NPR was using words like “paranoid delusions.” My, my, my…
http://www.law.com/jsp/dc/PubA…..TopStories
An Angry Old Broad @ 222
This was on his website, not his radio show. The laws that radio stations must be operated “in the public interest” are still in force, and had he said this on the radio, there would be reasonable grounds to go after someone’s FCC license.
new thread
The people Turner advocates assassinating are the duly elected representatives of THE PEOPLE. Turner would have them eliminated. Why does the far-right wing hate democracy?
Just read up this twit at wikipedia. I was curious if Turner was his real name or if he took it from Tim McVeigh’s favorite racist novel. I followed a link to one of his web pages and feel the need to take a shower. To call him scum is an insult to scum.
from wikipedia:
The site again went down for another period and was later brought back up featuring a new article, claiming that one of the persons responsible for the pranks and Denial of Service attacks on his page (supposedly an Australian or New Zealander poster) had mailed him his name and address and dared him to do something to him. Allegedly, Turner used his contacts to attack him physically. Along with the article, a picture of a young man with blood on his face was posted. These claims were soon proved false, as the picture was in fact obtained from Google Image Search (on the second page of a search for “bloody face”), and originally belonged to a backyard wrestling site [5]. The article was taken down soon afterwards.
During his December 27th show, Turner announced that the attacks to his web site had cost him several thousand dollars in bandwidth and legal fees, and that he may have to take his show off air due to lack of funds.
There you have it. If you don’t have the aim or eggs, make it expensive for him to spread his sick message of hate.
Professor Foland — how does one separate hate speech or incitements to violence against elected officials from performance on public airwaves?
Turner’s website traffic was in no small part due to his celebrity by way of public broadcast. His comments in writing don’t appear to be separate from his public brand.
I’d still go to the FCC and make the complaint that any radio broadcasting outlet carrying Turner is an accessory to his hate speech/incitements agains elected officials, that carrying his programming is not in the public interest, that he does have other venues that are not publicly-owned to distribute his speech (were it legal) and so is not denied the right to free speech.
We are all called to question suspicious activity and report any suspicions of Terrorism.
If this is not a homegrown terrorist, then I do not know what is.
Isn’t there a law against advocating the violent overthrow of the US government?
Obviously, immigration policy has been made by the people who were in power for the last 6 years. Which of these Republican officials does this idiot want to kill?
And when is Hal Turner going to be arrested——before or after some nut-job takes his advice?!
twolf1 @
6
Find all here. He challenged some Internets Kidz and suffered mass pownage.
http://www.encyclopediadramati…..Hal_Turner
This guy should be reported to the FBI. Very clearly, anyone who openly threatens senators and congressman with death should be arrested immediately. He is a terriost.
What’s the friggin’ problem fellow Libs? It’s a mater of semantics but he’s right about the difference between “will & may” and I thank him for the explaination.
Now we can say, if Bush comes to Canada again, we can all write in and say “we may kill the ass-hole” and feel safe about saying that.
Fair enough?