
The stack of dead American soldiers in Iraq continues to mount up to 3,000 and beyond, allowing the Bush administration to tie and then break the post-Vietnam record for murdered Americans, which has been held by Osama bin Laden since 2001. Bin Laden held on the title for five strong years, but in the end, he was no match for President Drunk Uncle and the Culture of Life, whose latest victim, it turns out, may have been a hurriedly offered human sacrifice to sectarian concerns in Iraq. Lindsay at Majikthise is on the case:
The cell phone video of Saddam's execution raises troubling questions. Was Saddam hanged by Shiite militamen? If so, was his s(p)eedy death a sop to Muqtada al-Sadr? Paul Hoosen of Progressive Values writes:
This new evidence strongly suggests that the Saddam execution was rushed through to satisfy this militia group and the cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, and that the normal path of justice in the "new" Iraq was deliberately avoided. Saddam had more trials pending on far more serious charges and also was facing civil charges in at least one lawsuit filed in the U.S. None of these important cases are likely to be heard except for the civil suit in the U.S. now.
It did seem odd that so many people in the death chamber were shouting "Muqtada!"
If this is the case, it would certainly explain a few of my own lingering questions about the rule of law in Iraq and exactly how it pertained (or not) to the Saddam verdict, sentencing, and execution.
In a separate post, "Saddam Spectacle: The Gallows is the New Aircraft Carrier", Lindsay quotes Josh Marshall, who manages to somehow spit out the entire truth about the Iraq War in one exquisitely wrought paragraph:
As Josh Marshall says, "This whole endeavor, from the very start, has been about taking tawdry, cheap acts and dressing them up in a papier-mache grandeur — phony victory celebrations, ersatz democratization, reconstruction headed up by toadies, con artists and grifters. And this is no different. Hanging Saddam is easy. It's a job, for once, that these folks can actually see through to completion. So this execution, ironically and pathetically, becomes a stand-in for the failures, incompetence and general betrayal of country on every other front that President Bush has brought us."
This entire war has been a long, obscene puppet show, a parade of empty, arrogant gestures. It frankly amazes me that anyone is waiting anxiously to see what BushCo's New Improved Iraq Strategery will turn out to be. Whatever it is, it will just be another fart in the windstorm, another fatuous attempt at perception management when what we need is factual assessment and troop management.
And yet, on the Right, we have morons like this dickhead at "Wake Up America" calling Christy "stupid" for asking that the administration be brought to account for its myriad failures in protecting the lives of our troops. Says Sir Dickhead:
In reading the news and blogs for the day I kept coming back to one comment that was running through my mind. Stupidity. So, that is the theme of the post.
This starts with someone named Christy Hardin Smith over at Firedoglake, with a post called "Not just a number".
I would ask her to "acknowledge" the outstanding work of the troops, instead of using our soldiers and the deaths she "uses" to make her politcial points. Ater all, as I pointed out here, they have done an excellent job, especially when compared with other wars.
He then goes on to list the percentages of military personnel killed in combat in every war since the Civil War and concludes:
How about instead of USING our dead for political purposes, you try thanking our troops for a job well done to date, and furthermore how about you try LISTENING to what they have to say.
He then cites a fawning pro-administration interview from a college paper (which he declines to name or provide a link to) with a returning soldier who says:
Q: What has been your most memorable moment here?
A: I escorted Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for four days, including Christmas. I watched this remarkable man let himself be pawed over and hugged, stand for thousands of photos, sign hundreds of autographs, shake every hand offered, for four days, with a smile on his face and joy in his heart. This man loves the American serviceman and woman and truly appreciates what we are doing here. He never left a place until every soldier was satisfied. Incredible devotion to duty.
Oooooh, stand back! Don Rumsfeld underwent a heroic four days of non-stop hugs, compliments, and ass-licking and never stinted from his duty to be out front waving for the cameras, "satisfying" the soldiers (nice work if you can get it-ed.), and lapping up media attention when he could have actually been in his office trying to do something about this "six week" war where he sent a nation's young men and women into combat unprepared, under-equipped, and supplied with fleets of soft-sided, gas-drinking, unarmored SUV's for transport. Mmmmm, that's war-planning at his finest! Pin a Congressional Medal of Honor on that cocksucker! He's a goddamn motherfucking national hero!
Back to Lindsay:
Saddam wasn't hanged for genocide against the Kurds, in fact, he wasn't even tried for those crimes against humanity. Instead, Saddam was executed for his role in a government-led purge following an assassination attempt in 1982. No doubt, the Americans wanted to make sure Saddam was executed on lesser charges before he could be tried for his larger crimes against humanity in which the United States and its allies were complicit.
Ah, yes, there's the rub. If Saddam hadn't been hanged, he might have had a chance to talk about his business deals with Rummy and the Reagan administration, and we all know not even Pox News can spin that one satisfactorally. "Saddam used chemical weapons against his own people!!" they screech, but does anyone ever think to ask who he bought those chemical weapons from?
From the National Security Archive:
The U.S. was officially neutral regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and claimed that it armed neither side. Iran depended on U.S.-origin weapons, however, and sought them from Israel, Europe, Asia, and South America. Iraq started the war with a large Soviet-supplied arsenal, but needed additional weaponry as the conflict wore on.
Initially, Iraq advanced far into Iranian territory, but was driven back within months. By mid-1982, Iraq was on the defensive against Iranian human-wave attacks. The U.S., having decided that an Iranian victory would not serve its interests, began supporting Iraq: measures already underway to upgrade U.S.-Iraq relations were accelerated, high-level officials exchanged visits, and in February 1982 the State Department removed Iraq from its list of states supporting international terrorism.
(snip)
Prolonging the war was phenomenally expensive. Iraq received massive external financial support from the Gulf states, and assistance through loan programs from the U.S….The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan. These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East.
There he is. Mr. "Incredible Devotion to Duty", shaking hands back in 1983 with the puppet he would engineer a war to defeat and kill. But hey, that's what happens when you do business with the Americans, I guess. Today's business partner is tomorrow's coup d'etat and execution. Why not? It worked out so well with the Cherokees…
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Howard Dean!
“It’s Xmastime and all through town…”
The WetSpots
Lyrics not for the fainthearted, but it’s LN after all….
My third zed. I need to get a life.
Riverbend calls it a lynching.
Lindsay rocks! When’s she coming back to guest post?
Oh, and Happy Pelosi 1st (January 1st in the Hastertian calendar)!
Patrick 4/4 @ 8
Yay!
Sgt. York, over at Sic Semper Tyrannis calls it a lynching.
Well done Trex! I was expecting some gentle New Year Snark and you lead off with a body slam. Way to go, Dude! A great read.
Ed*ard Teller @
7
I’ll second that.
SubwaySerenade @ 11
ditto
Completly OT. Just wanted to change the paradigm for the New Year…
Yes, let’s all scold Christy for using the soldiers for political purposes. Rummy and crew didn’t even want the press there, they just wanted to support the troops. President PlasticTurkey would never do a photo op with the soldiers for political gain…
Dumb*ss F*ckhead…
Off topic, but here’s an eye-opener of an article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..ref=slogin
Bush has big plans for Iraq and I think the shit is going to hit the fan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..partner=ho
Somebody hold my hand. I spilled water on my MacBook. I think it’s dead. Right now I’m on the work computer. My brother told me to disconnect my MacBook and let it dry out overnight before I tried to boot it up again.
I die.
I diiiiiiiiiiie…
Too true…what secrets that he could have spilled to the world…my guess..enough to sink this administration,and a hellava lot of “respectible” republican type who saw fit to do deals w/him on the oil-for-food program..remember that…and lots of “spectible” texas oil folks in that up to there noses.
TRex @ 18
open it up and turn it screen and keyboard down and put a warm – not hot – fan on it all night….
TRex @
18
Good advice from your brother. Macbook might actually recover…
holding TRex’s hand
there there, see, the guys have a solution… it will be ok, big guy
TRex @ 18
your brother is right… let it dry out…
I will be checking in from home on my old iBook in just a bit.
Ed*ard Teller @ 20
Do that and if that doesn’t work, I hope you have Apple Care. They even replace or fix accidents.
Gawd, I just read this blip again -
” I escorted Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for four days, including Christmas. I watched this remarkable man let himself be pawed over and hugged, stand for thousands of photos, sign hundreds of autographs, shake every hand offered, for four days, with a smile on his face and joy in his heart. This man loves the American serviceman and woman and truly appreciates what we are doing here. He never left a place until every soldier was satisfied. Incredible devotion to duty.”
Somehow I seriously doubt thousands of soldiers wanted to be seen with this poor excuse for a human being. Remarkable? Remarkably self deluded perhaps…
I could just barf…
TRex @ 18
Post a wishlist, love, and we’ll all make good on it. Promise. Can’t do without you and your i-access. Don’t want you fired for using work resources to tell the truth, like Lane was from HRC for exposing Foley. I’m in. Who’s up? Where’s the TRex MAC button?
Bad link @14
teocawki
just let the MacBook get really, really dry… chances are good it’ll be ok – ’specially if it was just water and not coca cola…
snuffy @ 19
The things Saddam has(d) to say coulda put Poppy in the Hague dock fer sure — couldn’t have Babs suffering through that, could we?
Where’s a firecracker and a frog when Junja really needs ‘em, huh?
TRex, I was going to talk about how that stupid guy who called Christy stupid was by comparing him to the non-sensical Jonah Goldberg, but instead I should help you out in your emergency: Pour alcohol on the computer – the medical kind, not the drinking kind. It will push out the water and then evaporate. My daughter taught me that trick. I used it on my cell phone after I dropped it in the koi pond. It worked.
oh, and take the battery out…
Patrick 4/4 @ 6
She may be right. I’m not sure I don’t favor TRex’s “human sacrifice,” though, for its sheer stop and make you wonder shock value.
TRex @ 18
Now, now dear. If you drowned your MacBook beyond hope you know we faithful will make sure it will be quickly replaced fer goodness sake. You’re too important to worry your beautiful pre-historic brain over a little spilt H2O.
Great post BTW!
Steve @
17
We all thought bush was just winging it…now it comes out…the clowns WERE wingin it.
If we hit Iran the price will be paid for overthe next 100 years…
Oh, no TRex! Thank goodess it was just water. Odds are very good it will fully recover.
Gnome de Plume @ 31
given that TRex has a fictional non-pond koi named Ned the Fighting, this solution has a certain symmetry….
EvilDrPuma @ 33
Riverbend’s take just makes me think of “The Quiet American”. We think we’re in control and we are completely out of our depth.
I use the “we” advisedly.
TeddySanFran @
4
Lyrics not for the fainthearted, but it’s LN after all….
[Mod note; edited your earlier comment to include this addition]
I bet that soldier who stood up and asked Rummy why they had to scavenge through the garbage to make armor for their vehicles wasn’t looking to ge t his pic taken with Dummy.
freaking morons.
I’ve dumped water on the laptop a few times, it’s always recovered. turn off, turn upside down, take out battery and let dry.
Sadr has murdered his Daddy’s murderer.
And with such a Classy Act.
Saddam came off this as having more dignity and class than Sadr’s juvenile gang of little death squad street thugs.
Sadr, having been given the Checkered Flag with the Hanging Show, will now proceed to ethnically cleanse Iraq of Sunnis while the US and the world watches impotently, on YouTube I might add.
He will slaughter the Sunnis like Sheep.
The US military can’t touch him.
Most of the Muslim World however is Sunni.
They are not going to like this.
The Saudis, while cowards, have alot of money to try and even the odds out for their Sunni brothers who will soon be massacred in-mass by what Saddam, shortly before his execution referred to as “Persian Midgets”
The Iranians will not look kindly on the Saudis financing massive waves of suicide bombings and IED attacks on Shites AND their religious shrines.(the Golden Dome is just a start)
Suicide bombers being the “Great Leveler of the Playing Field” in Iraq for outnumbered Sunnis.
This is going to be like some truly macabre fireworks shows.
I’ll bet Bushit Baby wants to watch it on DVD.
TRex,
This post. It read like you were on a world class rant, and then, what happened, did the phone ring?
Trex – let it dry … our IT folks took my thinkpad (work machine) after I dumped an extra large ice tea on it and simply unscrewed the back to open it up … a little hairdryer on low and an overnight to air out and it’s been fine (mostly) every since (a few keys remained vaguely sticky but completely usable.
OT but not – last thread, folks were talking about the US troops attacking a Sunni office -
here’s the account from Today in Iraq (which I highly recommend both as daily reading and as a source of news that’s reliable from Iraq:
U.S. forces said they were fired on from an office building belonging to a leading Sunni Arab politician during a raid on a suspected al Qaeda safehouse in Baghdad on Monday in which six insurgents were killed. Saleh al-Mutlaq, an outspoken member of parliament whose Iraqi National Dialogue group is part of the U.S.-backed political process, said U.S. forces had targeted his office, killing two security guards and wounding two more. Speaking to Reuters by telephone from outside Iraq, Mutlaq also said a family of four, including two children, were killed in an adjacent building during the raid on Monday.
The U-S military says it’s looking into a report that U-S aircraft bombed houses near the west Baghdad office of a leading member of a key Sunni political bloc. Police say four members of a family were killed and a guard at the house of a former Shiite member of parliament was wounded. The ex-member of parliament abandoned her home after escaping an assassination attempt last year.
http://www.dailywarnews.blogspot.com/
Go to Today in Iraq for links to more details.
Our friend MarkfromIreland is helping out there some and has also moved his site off blogspot and added a lot of good material from a group of Iraqi bloggers who are friends – check the new location here:
http://gorillasguides.com/
Steve @
17
Unfortunately its behind the firewall… but it starts out humorously enough:
Its not just that these clowns always get it wrong, but they are surprised when they get it wrong – yet again.
Two minutes left and OU is down by eight.
OU’s ball, no time outs.
Siun @ 44
Good advice, I think. If TRex just spilled water on his, he might not even have sticky keys. That’s the main hazard in these situations if the computer isn’t powered up while it’s still wet.
Touchdown OU!!
Going for two…
Flag against the defense. Ball on the one yard line.
Point good, flag on offense, move it back to the seven.
Tied at twenty eight!! Extra point good on a pass!
newspaperbrat @
34
Hear hear! We are totally dependant on the output of your brain, and seeing as how it is the size of a walnut (I just read that somewhere, I haven’t actually *checked*), please do not use up precious TRex brainspace unnecessarily!
BTW, I thought you said you looked bad in prints. I beg to differ, I think you look stunning!
TRex – my laptop survived a dousing with Strongbow Cider – though the keys were kinda crunchy for a while. Do not despair!
1.26 left in game, score tied.
I spilled water on my laptop a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately, I’m having to replace the keyboard, but none of the irreplaceable stuff was affected.
I just tried an experimental reboot on the macbook. It started to power up, then shut itself down again. I am seeing this as an improvement and leaving it until morning.
Boy, it’s weird being back on this little iBook.
Mitt’s gonna run if he has to marry every last one of us.
From AP:
TRex @
18
Oh NO!!! I hope your MacBook can be brought back from the dead!!!
Hugs TRex! :hug:
Patrick 4/4 @ 57
Let’s make him do that, and then all file for divorce just before the primaries. I’ll bet we can make him cry.
The thought of pouring alcohol on my keyboard makes me very, very nervous. I will ask my brother what he thinks.
EvilDrPuma @ 60
Who wants to be sister wife #1?
TRex @ 61
They really meant to pour alcohol into you. Everything will seem better.
TRex @ 60
no, no, NO! don’t pour alcohol on the keyboard!! flip it upside down, take the battery out and put it in a warm place… let it dry out completely and thoroughly…I think I need a drink!
TRex @ 60
My desktop actually likes a nice bordeaux every once in a while.
Patrick 4/4 @ 61
If we really want to make Mitt cry, the best answer is “all of us.”
EvilDrPuma @ 65
Come to think of it, this may be how we find Mitt’s hidden ties to the Moonies.
EvilDrPuma @ 67
Hidden ties? Kinky.
All tied up. We are going to overtime!!
Patrick 4/4 @
61
I’m too old for that nonsense, but I wouldn’t mind some help with the housework.
TRex @ 56
So much for listening to all the good advice you were getting.
Gentleman Jim @ 42
Good description of whats on the ground…but I think the house of saud will get a little more active than you seem to think…they have their own brand of fundimentalist type wahabi whackos that are pressureing them to act now…see they get TV straight…blood and guts, and headless babies all the time 24-7…this execution was a “legal” lynching…The sunni will not quietly be murdered…it will be all over the muslim world,in color,every night.Live.on the streets of bagdad
This whole mess is more like a fuze.I just wonder how big the boom is going to be.Our whole nation appears to be sleepwalking into a nightmare .I just wish the country I knew as a child would wake up to the horror that is being done in our name.
TRex @ 60
Tech advice from Yahoo on this sort of thing:
http://tech.yahoo.com/gd/savin…..ill/153194
UPDATE: I looked for any mention of alcohol on that page. There wasn’t any. I only use alcohol for cleaning contacts, and I use a q-tip or a cloth. I can’t recommend using it as they suggested earlier.
Oilfieldguy @ 69
Does this refer to OU or the Moonies?
HotFlash @ 70
One of the 34 kids can help.
Patrick 4/4 @ 73
Again, if we combine the two we’re sure to make a much bigger mess.
Jeez, I’ve seen some OT threads before but this one takes the cake.
TRex @
18
To cheer you up: I sent my cheapo cellphone through both the washer and dryer, and it has worked just fine since.
Someone later explained to me that getting it completely dried out was critical to its survival.
CatelynK @ 70
oh man! leave it alone!!
purvis ames @ 77
It’s a new year and a new approach. By seeking to accomplish nothing, we shall accomplish all – it’s very Zen.
Umm, the unmentioned college paper is the Kansas State Collegian.
I warn you though, there’s something in the page that’s a resource hog.
But, the quote is part of an interview with an alumnus who’s a guard/reserve major who’s job is PR flack.
Patrick 4/4 @ 79
This is the sound of one thread going off topic.
Oh, no, trust me. You like me sober.
Sorry!! Sorry! It was only a teaspoon or so of water! My brother said try it again after work.
TRex @ 61
No, dear wingnutosaurus, you misundertake us. Flap the moist computer on top of the fridge, or some other dry place. Aim a handy blowdryer (oh, c’mon all homo’s have one of them handy) at he moist computer.
Please direct all alchohol (hooch) at yer innards, to still said nerves against said moist computer.
In the case of candy assed teetotallers, well, yer just a fukkin bundle of nerves til manana.
Sleep tight, or well, a close facsimile thereof.
EvilDrPuma @ 81
One hand tapping?
@ 45 I got to the four page story via HuffPo.
Here’s Apple’s advice on the subject:
http://www.apple.com/support/ibook/care/
Cleaning Your iBook
Follow these general rules when cleaning the outside of your computer and its components:
* Shut down your iBook, disconnect the power adapter and modem cable, and remove the battery.
* Use a damp, soft, lint-free cloth to clean the computer’s exterior. Avoid getting moisture in any openings. Do not spray liquid directly on the computer.
* Don’t use aerosol sprays, solvents, or abrasives.
Note the last line. And don’t boot it while it’s wet. It’s quite likely to short out.
No, honestly. I haven’t owned a blow-dryer since 1989.
Do you suppose I’ve killed it?
TRex @ 88
Hair gel?
TRex @ 88
just let it get THOROUGHLY DRY before you do anything to it… and get that battery out of it too…
TRex @
87
Here, you can borrow mine. I use it for pre-heating wood I am gong to glue.
Trex – seriously … step away from the web mac
take out battery, open if you understand these things, otherwise just leave it someplace warm… do not touch – repeat DO NOT TOUCH!
Tomorrow … afternoon earliest … see if it seems dry
Do not reboot until it has had time to dry
A teaspoon! I’ve drooled and spat more than that on my computer! I’ve even bled on it. Yours should be fine. But leave it alone for awhile like everyone says.
montag @ 80
Oh, geez, it must be the twenty minutes trying to get rid of the goddamned KSU page that paged megabytes to the drive, but that should be:
“an alumnus who’s a guard/reserve major whose job is PR flack.”
TRex @ 88
Shit, sorry for the stereotype. I fergot U sport the Johnny Unites look. Have ewe noticed my spelling rilly sux late at nite?
The thot remaynes the same. Lots a wind, and no kemikals. It always dryes out the slot.
Something’s seriously wrong with Sir Dickhead’s numbers. He quotes a source of “America’s Wars and Casualties” that has 9.2 million participants in Vietnam, with 109,000 “Deaths in Service” between 1964 and 1975. There may have been 9.2 million people in the military services during those 11 years, but nowhere near that many served in Vietnam (most sources give that figure as just over 2.5 million). And as I recall, there are only about 58,000 names on the Wall representing combat deaths.
darrelplant @ 96
By all means take advantage of his comments section to make him aware of these discrepancies.
OU just lost. How fukked is that?
Statue of liberty play beats the number one college of the state that contains 77 counties of which none voted for Bush less than 64%.
The statue of liberty beats bush. Gave him a wood shampoo.
TRex, if you’re the proud owner of a dehumidifier, being in the South and all, you can try making it your macbook’s new best friend and give them some alone time.
And thus it was that a teaspoon of water fell onto a Mac and traumatized a TRex.
We feel your pain. Now, be patient and wait for the drying. All will be well.
Umm, what was it you wrote about tonight? I have a vague memory of being impressed (as usual). Must go back and reread.
darrelplant @ 96
At first blush, those numbers don’t look right. I don’t have a feel for how many non-combat deaths there were in Vietnam, but I’m pretty sure they weren’t equal to the combat-related deaths. Nor do I think the rest of the armed forces had that many deaths (presumably, all non-combat related), either.
The 2.5 million is what I seem to remember being about the number of total participants being.
alton @ 99
Really, I’m not even going to look at it or even think about it until tomorrow. And if I have to send it in for repairs then so be it. It’s not the end of the world.
Oilfieldguy @ 98
I don’t think I like this overtime format. Why don’t they just play another quarter?
My sympathies Oilfield Guy. But that sure was a good game.
montag @
80
Can’t beat the headline for keeping things in perspective: Wildcats at War. Sounds like a sports headline. Next Week Wildcats battle Jayhawks..
it’s like a freaking game to these people
couldn’t miss the first Late Nite of the year. just dropping by, will check back later. I gather there have been some technical difficulties…
As for deaths, Wikipedia says:
Casualties
Even today the number of those killed, military and civilian, in the period covered (1959-1975) is open to debate and uncertainty. To illustrate the problem, below are three reference works by three or more authors listing casualty figures. What is remarkable about them is that the only ones that seem to match are the ones that must be, at best, approximations. None of the figures include the members of South Vietnamese forces killed in the final campaign. Nor do they include the Royal Lao Armed Forces, thousands of Laotian and Thai irregulars, or Laotian civilians who all perished in that peculiar conflict. They do not include the tens of thousands of Cambodians killed during the civil war or the estimated one and one-half to two million that perished in the genocide that followed Khmer Rouge victory
1. Harry G. Summers, The Vietnam War Almanac. Novato CA: Presidio Press, 1985.
U.S. killed in action, died of wounds, died of other causes, missing and declared dead – 57,690. South Vietnamese military killed – 243,748. Republic of Korea killed – 4,407. Australia and New Zealand (combined) – 469. Thailand – 351. The Vietnam People’s Army and NLF (combined) – 666,000. North Vietnamese civilian fatalities – 65,000. South Vietnamese civilian dead – 300,000.
2. Marc Leepson, ed, Webster’s New World Dictionary of the Vietnam War. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1999.
U.S. killed in action, etc. – 58,159. South Vietnamese military – 224,000. Republic of Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and Thailand – not listed. DRV military – not listed. DRV civilians – 65,000. South Vietnamese civilians – 300,000.
3. Edward Doyle, Samuel Lipsman, et al, Setting the Stage. Boston: Boston Publishing Company, 1981.
U.S. – 57,605. South Vietnamese military – 220,357. Republic of Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and Thailand – not listed. DRV and NLF deaths – 444,000. Combined DRV and RVN civilian deaths -587,000.
A fourth Source, John Rowe’s Vietnam: The Australian Experience. Sydney: Time-Life Books Australia, 1987, gives a figure of 496 Australians killed in action or died of wounds.
—————-
Haven’t found a figure for total number in service, however.
darrelplant @ 96
Nor does it really address the fact that there is likely a higher number of serious disabilities resulting from this war as a result of better medical care–after all, there’s been three decades of improved medical care. In Vietnam, there was, over its term, about a 4.5:1 casualty/death ratio (250,000:58,000), while in this war, that ratio is closer to 7:1. A fair number of those current survivors with serious injuries (brain damage, multiple loss of limbs) would likely not have survived the same injuries during Vietnam.
Clusterfuck’s war is still war, with lots of people getting the shit kicked out of them. Anyone who says that 3000 unnecessary deaths/24000 seriously injured is just a number is out to fuckin’ lunch.
Happy New Year everybody!
TRex, http://tech.yahoo.com has tips on saving your laptop after a spill. Sorry I don’t know how to do a proper link.
Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff calls for the lifting of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy in the military:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..li.html?hp
SusanD @ 110
I linked it earlier.
Sorry for the redundancy, Cujo. Just got here.
SusanD @ 113
No problem. I should have added “don’t worry”.
OFG:
my sympathy…..
UptownNYChick @ 105
Yeah. Doubt seriously there’s a series titled, “Wildcats Working For Peace.”
Boy, Sir Dickhead is a really, really terrible writer, isn’t he?
[Previously noted story from] NYT reveals a new plan by Bush: “Lie”.
Reading this story makes one wonder…is Gen. Casey tomorrow’s toast? Or is The Bushinator trying on a new uniform….Herr General Bush gives us the true meaning of victory:
Unh huh…sophistry uber alles. Same as the old plan.
TRex @ 117
Well, if your premise has no more backbone than “war good, anti-war bad,” it’s bound to indicate a certain, ahem, shallowness of intellectual depth.
CatelynK @ 101
All those FDLers prepare to vivesect me.
TRex was almost there. He used the blood, sweat and tears of those that came before him to drag us before the abyss…
and then he got a call.
Forgive me TRex.
I know it is difficult to “feed the blog” like clockwork with masterpieces the unwashed masses have come to expect.
But do not expect me to forgive people of your extrodinairy talent stooping to mediocraty. I challenge you to deliver your complete arsenal of talents and do so in the obvious subsequent slings and arrows of the ladies of the lake who shall ride to your defense.
You relieve these most excellent ladies and they appreciate it. I have come to expect greatness from you TRex, because I know that is what you are capable of.
When it is nearly so, it is a letdown.
I’m sorry TRex, but you have set the bar so extrodinairly high with your posts to date, this one reads like amature night.
Just read the Sgt York link above: http://turcopolier.typepad.com…..n_lyn.html
He raises an interesting point: Saddam Hussein was captured by American forces. Based on the Geneva Conventions (How quaint!), he should have been considered a POW. As such, we had two options: Try him for crimes against the US or turn him over to the Hague for a war crimes trial. Instead, we handed him over to a lynch mob so he could be whacked on the Sunni equivalent of Christmas. Classy.
Oilfieldguy @ 120
Duly noted.
neokneme @ 118
It was not a deliberately misleading statement. It was a bald-faced lie.
a deliberately misleading statement that Mr. Bush said later was necessitated by the political season
As Bush declares it okay to lie for political reasons.
I can’t wait for Congress to start.
I take issue with OFG. In spite of the horrors – the wars, not the iBook, TRex – this is one funny thread! A continuation of Jane’s good portents (first time I’ve ever used that word) for 2007?
And the night’s still young here in Alaska.
HotFlash @
91
Hmm. That’s a great idea, HotFlash.
Frank Probst @ 121
Hmm. Would turning him over to the lynch mob qualify as a war crime? Or has that quaint notion been entirely disgarded by the Unitary World Leader?
Laugh out loud = “lol” (Thanks to FP…lol!)
Lie out loud = “Boosh” (The sound of erupting vomit.)
Hearts and minds, baby!
Margot @ 126
Is it just me, or does anyone else note that it might be appropriate for someone named “HotFlash” to own an industrial hair dryer they use for pre-heating chunks of wood? :)
AAARGGGHHH. I meant “discarded.” There is no such word as “disgarded.”
I didn’t think it looked quite right…
neurophius @ 131
IOW, “disregard” “disgarded.” :)
montag @ 132
I suppose I could have meant “disregarded.”
It’s kind of like the brain spasm that in some people produces the non-word “irregardless.”
I swear it’s a word.
“The bride was disgartered at the end of the ceremony.”
Or something.
neurophius @ 131
I dunno…what’s happened in Iraq may qualify for that malapropism.
montag @ 132
I used to make the same mistake. I usually disregard misuse of discard.
neokneme @ 135
Iraq was disguarded and disarmy-ied.
Seriously, though, doesn’t it sound like Boosh has violated international law with his mishandling of Saddam Hussein?
I’m no international law expert, but…
To be dis-gared could be to get kicked out of a french train station.
Ask punaise.
I’m going to go eat something. I’ll check back in before bed.
neuro, that was how i read it… sounds like a violation to me
Next time, TRex, spill the water on Michelle Malkin (I’m melt-i-i-ing!) and direct all light-emitting appliances at Cheney (they can’t tolerate daylight yanno).
The worst damage done to your Mac would be a fuse or a battery, most likely. Meanwhile, being a dinosaur, it looks like you’ll be stuck with us desktoposaurs for a day or two, at worst.
I think I’ll add an HTML end to limit all these italics.
Is it fixed?
:~} Attack of the italic hacker?!
TRex @ 129
whine ought? earnest end: drool, yo! gallow
TRex @ 139
au Quai d’Orsay; works for me.
TRex @ 135
Better that than disregarded.
These are the naught-ies — 2000-2009.
TRex, can the italics at Margot #126 be closed?
[Mod note; refresh and it should be fixed]
Patrick 4/4 @ 146
that’s what happens when you try to sneak back into the train station
Oops, wanted to visit, but just got an ER call. Gnite all.
punaise @ 149
Wouldn’t that be redisgarded? :)
Kevin Hayden @ 150
take two, and call in the morning, doc.
Thank you. TRex is a barometer, even moreso than Jane and Christy and Pach.
I, as an insensitive, calloused redneck truckdriver come to depend on TRex, and TRex alone, as a sort of gyroscope, to get my bearings on shit and stuff.
Jane and Christy and Pach always flesh out the obvious, those things that I may have missed during the day that need an extra shove.
But it is TRex, the picked on homo in high school, that I look toward that has that hyper sensitive barometer to civility.
In everything I do and everything I say I wonder if it will offend Solomans inheritance?
David is he, the name of my firstborn manchild.
View everything through these eyes, TRex, that a multitude of redneck weenises search for the way that is not gay, but doesn’t diss the same.
Take a walk on the wild side, yea even the razors edge.
It is a tall order, TRex. Are you capable of bridging this gap, or so frustrated and bigoted that you are willing to toss over this very real voting bloc, like they have tossed over you?
Who will blink first?
Oilfieldguy,I consider you among the first rank of FDL commenters. I am always interested in hearing what you have to say, and usually agree with it.
In this instance, I am having a little trouble understanding what point you are trying to make with regard to TRex’s writing tonight. What is the nature of the deficiency that you perceive?
Would you care to explain?
neurophius @
138
I’m no expert either, but since W has shown no respect for the Constitution he swore to protect and uphold, that he ignores international law should come as no surprise.
Umm, well, it’s after 2am here and I have (potential) clients coming in the morning so I am unashamedly going to blink first. G’night all. Honest, guys! They can get so worked up about a hair dryer. Or maybe it was the football…
Nite all.
*Breaking*–no, not really. This is old news. But I just had to say, CNN sucks!
Approximately 36 hours ’til Democratic leadership folks.
Oh dear, Oilfieldguy – you’re kinda of, sort of giving new meaning to the old saw about silence being deafening.
It sure as shit isn’t T-Rex’s fault your football team blew it tonight.
neurophius @
154
OFG, I second neuro’s appreciation, but I’m confused, too. perhaps a mulligan is in order.
neurophius @ 155
This is a very good question and I am so glad that you asked.
I leave HUGE room that I could be wrong.
It is now hours and an entire football game since I read the original post.
My main critique, to some may seem petty, is the lack of a bowtie.
TRex’s skills in research are a particular envy of mine, and I intend to ask him and ithers how they do it.
This particular post lacks the denouement that I am accustommed to (untying of the knot…it’s a french word fer chrissakes) with a TRex Post.
Neurophius @# 154:
I think he’s more pissed about the Sooners losing than he realizes.
Renee in Ohio @ 157
And what’s even more fun is that this was the second, or maybe the third, such report. Jeff Greenfield insists his was humor intended to poke fun at some of Obama’s critics or some such thing, but the others haven’t even offered excuses that I’m aware.
In short, yes, CNN sucks. They’ve had Fox-envy for some time.
Ed*ard Teller @ 162
Grief can warp one’s mind.
Oilfieldguy @ 162
How about this – Time to cut the strings.
Ed*ard Teller @ 162
Not nearly enough black-eyed peas is my diagnosis. :)
Cujo359 @
164
My mom and several of her sisters were OU grads. Football crazy, oh my. One aunt had season tickets and she didn’t even live in Oklahoma anymore.
apparently, bushco has let it slip to the BBC that, while we aren’t quite sure what we are going to do with more troops, by jiggy, we’re gonna send some more and not be a bunch of candy asses and send more trainers… NO! We’re going to send more people for “security” (read: targets)
total madness…
Eureka Springs, AR @
158
Whatta day…WaPo sez:
So the Dems are up to bat, but have they got game?
Gee, what was their first clue?
Sympathy to the rescue:
Note to Republicans — Hope is not a strategery.
CNN flashback from last January.
JohnnyB @
111
Fuckin’ great. Here’s yer surge, W: it’s us!!
Note to Republicans — Hope is not a strategery.On second thought… maybe it is!
TRex, you know I love you and only crack the whip when a stupid sumbitch like me don’t geddit.
Wrap it up dude, what the fukk are you saying on the head of a pin.
Make the magnificent point that I see glaring at me like a cyclops.
Just don’t leave it to stoopid rednexx like me to draw their own conclusions.
Ed*ard Teller @
125
Best Late Nite thread of 2007! I love you guys.
Margot @ 167
Of course, when one starts taking sports a bit too seriously, this can happen….
Cujo359 @ 163
Fox-envy – you funny – tanks for makng me laugh out loud! How I hope Lou Dobbs and Wolfie and Nancy Grace and CNN management hear about it. (big grin).
neokneme @ 172
Umm, hope was the last thing to leave Pandora’s Box….
TeddySanFran @ 171
Oh yea, Just in time for the genocide games.
Pony?
Republican San Francisco values.
Thanks, OFG.
TRex rocks the world.
Goodnight, everyone.
And have a good Pelosi 2, 2007.
Renee in Ohio @ 170
Did you ever wonder why you don’t hear about “Gulfstream conservatives”?
newspaperbrat @ 176
If we use the term enough, they probably will. I wonder if they’d get the joke?
Carpe diem, Dems:
[snip]
WaPo’s stellar E.J. Dionne Jr.
Well, TRex, the consesus is against me. Virtually all comments push me into the loser camp of OU football.
Warped my brain somehow.
Well golly gee.
I truly appreciate the criticism of my comments and hope to improve my editorializations in the future.
Please refrain from judging me against TRex, it is suggested our names not be mentioned in the same day.
Well, as Media Matters noted, Chambliss wasn’t seen as elitist for the same thing. What I wonder is why mainstream media is able to get away with this without being called on it in any significant way.
montag @ 175
The dreaded 404. Scourge of amateur sports enthusiasts in every part of the english-speaking world.
Just looking at this
and wondering what the reaction would be today.
Calling my senators and representatives does not seem like it’s enough….
Cujo359 @ 181
I think they already understand it. After all, when they brought in consultants to control the costs, the first thing the consultants did was point to the fact that their operating costs were $300 million higher than those of Fox–because Fox didn’t have all those foreign bureaus to gather news. So, they were told, if they wanted to be as profitable as Fox, they had to close foreign bureaus….
Hey, OFG, you are not a loser just cuz your football team lost! We love you, man, or I do. I’m just not getting what you’re laying down about TRex’s post — it seemed clear and concise to me.
The thread, it’s something else, but that’s on us, not on TRex, right?
Renee in Ohio @ 184
I figure it’s because fewer liberals watch cable news.
I did not know so any OU bigots visited FDL.
Cujo359 @ 185
Umm, google sneaking extra characters into the URL.
Try this.
As a neighbor of OFG and no fan of football, I typed this up for ya ;)
OFG Sings Sooners Lament
Overtime blues
whine and scrimmage
Astrological surf-n-turf
Is that a flag in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
Thanks, TRex, for setting out the real reason for this kangaroo court, its shotgun justice and the heckled, sectarian finale lynching: now Rummy can write his first book and Poppy won’t go to the Hague for the drained Marsh Arabs and the Kurds gassed from US helicopters.
Tidy, neat; ready for Iran.
US Navy and USAF, up next on Tehran. Onward!
…oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW
Pam “junk juggs” Shruggs is on the same WaPo story as it happens. She opines on her favorite passages, and here’s one…
RepublicanSpeak Junk Science — Noah’s flood created the Grand Caynon.
Let’s unleash NOAA’s flood of truth this year! This conservative rent-a-wreck MSM drivel monkey has got to get chimpeached!
Oilfieldguy @ 191
I went to Northwestern, so I may look down on no man.
OfT, sorta:
Privatizing Mayberry RFD: Mercenaries on Main Street USA.
Oilfieldguy @ 190
Maybe it’s not OU. Maybe it’s football, in general. After all, as everyone knows, football is just the slippery slope…. :)
TeddySanFran @ 189
You might be right. I do not have the market on truth.
I read TRex always. I dunno. Tonight just seemed off a little, like a punt. Left me looking for the ball.
It could be me, though. Sorry if I was harsh, TRex. He noted my complaint. I’m sure he went back and reread it. If he is happy, fine with me.
TeddySanFran @
196
spooky…
I know I’m posting bits and pieces here, but it’s late and my brain can’t do the whole synthesis thing at the moment.
Anyway, CNN also keeps this chucklehead on the payroll…
That was, of course, part of Beck’s interview with Keith Ellison. What I wanted to say at the time, but never quite put into words, is that I really object to media people using the defense, “Hey, I’m only saying what a lot of people are thinking!”
It’s a *good thing* that most people know that certain thoughts are not for saying *out loud*.
Okay, I found it. Sorry TRex, but it was the close.
TeddySanFran @ 196
Reminds me of the blackwater schools mentioned by Matt O. this week. Nothing good will come of this trend, imo.
TeddySanFran @
196
so, does this mean that just any ol’ body with a gun and a badge can stop me on the street and arrest me? sort of seems that way…
OldCoastie @ 199
And people wonder why I have such grim veiw of the future…
WaPo first chatz of 2007, Tuesday:
Michael Abramowitz at 11 eastern
Media “reporter” Howard Kurtz at Noon eastern
K Street columnist Jeffrey Birnbaum at 1 eastern
Opiner Eugene Robinson at 1 eastern
WTOP local political commentator Mark Plotkin at 2 eastern
Oilfieldguy @ 183
OFG, I respect your opinion.
You are someone I think of as being rock steady. That’s a high compliment. There are few people I can say that about.
OldCoastie @ 204
Don’t forget the cavity searches.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 202
people might get more casual about reacting ..with an attitude…
Hey are your a real cop?
Oilfieldguy @ 207
Any glorified rent-a-cop intending to cavity-search me is in for a surprise. I have a spastic colon….
g’ night everyone… it’s late.
Another wingnut victory for deregulation, now in Indonesia!
tsf bold; from here.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 209
No,I have done everything from refueling nuclear reactors to inspection of Highrise steel,but heres a clue…a renta cop pulls a attitue on me,and I will OWN his company.And his ass.[some of my family are leo]
Renee in Ohio @ 200
Chucklehead is right, starting with the fact that he asked the guy to prove a negative. How in the world can you prove you’re not a terrorist? That’s why it’s the government’s task to prove that someone’s guilty of a crime, not the defendent’s task to prove he isn’t. If it’s not physically or logically impossible for him to be a terrorist, you can’t prove he isn’t.
Of course, that doesn’t even address the point that the idea behind that question is patently offensive to begin with …
After minutes of exhaustive research TRex, at the conclusion of hours of debate, I have found the missing link, the exclamation point, the cherry on top of your argument.
Never, and I mean never, invoke the name of any tribe of Native Americans without including this link.
I don’t care how gay or Arab or liberal you are, no one has experienced anal sex like real Americans.
Read this whole story, follow every link, and tell me how proud you are to be an American.
PS, the primary defendant, Gale Norton former head of the DoI is now a shill for Shell Oil.
OldCoastie @ 211
Sleep well and sweet dreams of a great new Pelosi year OC!
snuffy – My real cop comment was an imagined response I will likely have in the future.
Where is Suzanne this evening? She could shed some light on this subject.
snuffy @ 213
My guess is that they’ve somehow been indemnified, or state law’s been modified to make suing these guys difficult or impossible. Liability in those situations is something that any company that is smart enough to hire a corporate attorney would think about before jumping into that business.
you rang ES
Hi Suzanne – Was just wondering what you thought about this.
montag @
108
Vietnam itself saw an increase survivable injuries, given the post-WWII development of antibiotics, helicopter evac, and medical procedures. The percentage of wounded who died in Vietnam was roughly the same as previous conflicts, but the relative number of amputees and disabling injuries was three times that of WWII.
And yes, TRex, for all the good it will do, I already put a note in Dickhead’s comments.
Cujo, the 2.5 million figure for military personnel in Vietnam is one I’ve seen in VA docs on PTSD frequency studies.
Each state has diff laws re police. I am only familiar with CA law – and private security guards are regulated – need for a CA “guard card”, etc. There are rules regarding the need to NOT look like a police officer, etc. Background and drug testing.
Just like health care, public safety is at risk of becoming a two-tier system, with one for regular folks and private for the rich.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 217
Here in oregon it would cause a major outcry if ANY renta cop got salty with a citizen.The public anger with the leos here is subsideing,but we had some uncalled for shootings by the police that has hit a nerve,with lotsa demonstrations ect.
sorry if my responce appeared less than measured; this is a topic that truely frightens me….blackwater w/leo powers and fully-auto weapons like what happened @NOLA
In the linked article – that state choose to give police powers to private – which CA has gotten away from. I remember in the early 70’s burglar alarm response “guards” in SF were considered to be SFPD Special Police.
That changed in the 70’s – San Francisco was one of the last cities to have special police.
snuffy – I believe we are on the same alarmed level. If only Arkansans worked together as you left coasters do.
Suzanne – Sounds like reasonable standards in Ca. or at least some standards.
Cujo359 @ 218
Maybe so, but if some asshole in a car with a rent-a-cop logo on the side and blue lights flashing told you to pull over, would you know that he was deputized, or worse, simply immunized from prosecution? I wouldn’t. And I wouldn’t stop, either.
Police are, rent-a-cops are not. Period. (And most states have laws against impersonating the police, as well, which they seem to be ignoring in NC). If I were to wind up in court on something involving rent-a-cops behaving like the police, indemnification or not, the city and the private firm would end up owing me and my lawyer a whole passel of money. And, that’s when the program would cease.
Given the instances cited in the article, there’s a whole issue of profiling implicit in this–the police and the rent-a-cop agency both know if they stop and hassle and demand the temporary detention and searches of the wrong guy’s car, they get reamed.
Beyond all that, when the country starts needing a privatized police force, operating outside official control, it’s time to start calling it what it is… creeping fascism.
more a case of some standards, i’m sorry to say es.
montag @ 226
Amen.
the only team I enjoy seeing lose in football is Notre Dame….
folks,lets all have a happy new year,regardless of the turkeys and turds who wish us harm..night folks
montag – Per your truthdig link and so many other articles. Fascism or not, it is clear our government would make America look like Iraq if they were able to raise the threat level enough to justify it. We would simply disentigrate from within because of our own security design, not because of an actual outside threat.
With our so called leadership all an Osama needs is the threat of an infant in the china shop.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 231
Yes, quite true.
What so few people realize when oohing and aahing about military technology is that it can just as easily be turned against them, in this country, if the political situation changes for the much worse….
The NSA spying on internal phone calls ought to have been an object lesson and a wake-up call about that capability, and yet, it was not….
*sigh*
Well I’ve got to till a larger garden (design a root cellar) and write a lot of clumsy letters this year. (hillbilly insurance)
peace out
Eureka Springs, AR @ 231
I would add to your comment that it is fascism–perhaps not the sort of fascism we remember from the `40s, but fascism nevertheless. It’s the incorporation of private profit-making with the affairs of governance. That’s the essence of fascism–when governmental action is taken to improve private profitability.
We have more citizens behind bars than even China (with five times our population) because law and privatization of the prison system have worked in tandem.
`Nuff said. That’s how it works, no matter the name given it.
Thanks TRex…
Went on news hiatus just in the last hrs. of the rope fiasco that is now available for d/l (I’m assuming here. But I predicted same after seeing 1pmm news that night w/vid stills.)) I call it today’s ‘Postcard of the Hanging’. Lynching ind33d. Strange Fruit.
Also, this ghoulish thing further brutalizes us, just like a ‘real’ lynching. Brought to you by Deatheaters Inc.
Oh a better note, early AM local news now has the graphic of Iraq map w/lettering saying:’Civl War update.’ First I’ve seen that around here. It is a civil war, in all uncivility that means.
(Now…going back to read comments. Oh, I agree w/MacBook dry-out techniques early on. Good Luck.)
Mornin’. Taxi’s here, seeya :)
not sure if it’s in there, I just skimmed but saddam I believe was hanged on a muslim holiday
this is against their law, both their religous law and their constitutional law
not to be missed trex, I think an edit somewhere is in order
[/hopes to see my name in the realm of hat tip]
I agree w/OFG about ‘denouement’…
The last graph after the infamous ‘handshake’ photo is like a dangling participle. Or, something.
But, that makes it just ‘A’ quality; the letdown is in lack of TRex ‘A-plus’ standards.
And OFG’s suggested specific wrapup is a ‘fix’.
In the long run, fuggedaboudit. Nobody’s ‘write’ if everybody’s wrong.
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OfT: Anybody see the weird expession on Leader’s face after viewing Ford’s body? Sorta scrunched up; supprsssing something? A ghouslish grin was my intuitive take, just looking up to catch it as an impression…but ‘Today’ show opens w/vid only of solemn moment, not the exit.
Blank Kludge @ 238
Probably imagining Poopy in the same place as Ford, and therefore, having Babs all to himself, at last….
Eureka Springs, AR @ 209
All my dates ask me that. ;-)
Good morning, everyone. Orlando Patterson is in the NYT this morning, on tourism in the Caribbean, and as a bonus I tossed in the editorial on Paul Wolfowitz. These people just do not learn…
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/2…..d-its.html
Have a good day.
montag @ 239
Stats would agree. Aren’t there more living First Ladies than Prez’s?
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OfT worser:
The only sorrow for sports fans worse than being an OU fan and watching in disbelief (like Mookie in Game 6 ‘86…I been there.) is falling asleep with BSU up 28-20 and missing that ending (for the twisted outside of 77 counties rest of us).
Worth recalling:
http://www.soonersports.com/Vi…..CLID=90824
cc: Ed*ard Teller
Mornin’ all! Time to go for a walk…
….dang resolutions.
Okay. Time for a giggle. This morning’s 9 Chickweed Lane made me laugh.
http://www.comics.com/comics/chickweed/
Morning everyone, Plame fix
Plamemania Countdown: 15 Days
1 January 2007
by emptywheel
Fresh thread, gang — morning.
About this bit of research: “He then goes on to list the percentages of military personnel killed in combat in every war since the Civil War.”
This is a modern conflict. Most of the casualties are civilian, and every party to the conflict pretends that what happens to noncombatants is unintentional, or that they are somehow implicated, or that the decision to kill the defenseless was somehow forced upon them, . . .
Has anyone looked at casualties in Iraq to measure how many civilians have fallen as proxies for targets who are armed and dangerous?
Sir Dickhead appears to be female:
http://www.technorati.com/profile/spreeeziee
Keep it accurate– Dame Dickhead!
To begin with, I would like to thank you for your detailed and insightful analysis. The quality is quite good.
I would mention that Bush has not only taken the record from Bin Ladden for number of Americans killed, one could also argue that he has taken the record from Saddam for number of Iraq people killed. The exact number is unknown, but in the war to liberate Iraq from Saddam and in the subsequent occupation the number of Iraqi people killed is in the hundred of thousands, a large number of which are Civilians.
Robert @
249
Hear, hear, Robert.
This should be a front page story.
TRex @ 18
i would wait longer then a day to be sure it dries–otherwise it will cook. put it someplace warm and open the back to expose the innards-wait at least a couple days to be sure.
In that college-newspaper interview that “spree”(wwwwakeupamericans) posted the excerpts from, the soldier says all kindsa great pro-war stuff like:
A: 1 – This is the right enemy in the right place at the right time. 2 – Because we are going over there, we are keeping them from doing evil over here…
Spree doesn’t mention if this soldier is/was one of the 85% who less than a year ago were still found to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, or one of the 15% who didn’t. Sounds like the former to me.
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perris @ 237 says, “saddam I believe was hanged on a muslim holiday”
It’s worse than that. Nir Rosen explains:
– Hijacking Eid and Hanging Saddam, IraqSlogger, 12/31/06
(h/t to Juan Cole — more here)