I just wanted to point out something that gave me a lot of hope today. Sue mentioned it in the FDL comments — over at the WaPo, in response to Joe Lieberman's Op-Ed calling for a "troop surge," there are 37 pages of negative responses. When the Deborah Howell incident happened, I recognized many of the names — Paul Lukasiak, Brad DeLong, TeddySanFran and other regulars at various and sundry blogs heavily populated the pages. But as I scanned through the 37 pages of people calling out Lieberman and his magical plan for "success" in Iraq for being the folly that it most assuredly is, I didn't recognize a one. No, people just spontaneously showed up and were appalled that anyone could be promoting this kind of lunacy. The response to Lieberman's call for escallation in the war was loud, forthright and agressive — no more.
Digby points us to Brilliant at Breakfast where Ned Lamont perches near the top of Jill's "Best of 2006" list, and I wholeheartedly agree. The Vietnam war lasted for over a decade and cost the lives of 58,000 Americans. I firmly believe that if Ned Lamont had not been willing to take on Joe Lieberman, the anti-war sentiment we are now seeing would never have achieved this kind of popular acceptance. Democrats were told it was "political suicide" to mention the war in the months before November, and Ned Lamont proved that wrong. There is not a politician on Capitol Hill who will look at those 37 pages of comments and not realize that precisely the opposite is true — continued support for this war could end a political career.
People who believe that victory is measured simply by chalk marks in a win/loss column have no idea how long-term battles are waged. If this war ends one day sooner or one less person has to die because 37 pages worth of Americans tell Joe Lieberman enough with his vanity war, every bit of effort that you, or I, or Ned Lamont, or anyone else expended toward that end was worth it.
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Fitz!
EXACTLY, Jane…
your alma mater is doing pretty well this afternoon, Jane…
As a non-blogger just wanted to add one more name to the 37 you cited. Still shocked that Holy Joe flummoxed the folks in his state, and just hope he isn’t the vote that let’s this insanity continue for another two years.
Escalation only means that we will lose more at a faster rate. Lunacy thy name is Lieberman.
Hopefully this is relevant in this thread. Families of the Fallen for Change
I’ve no truck with the Lieberman thing. Lamont was defeated by shadowy forces folks don’t want to discuss openly for fear of reprisal.
Cindy Sheehan and John Murtha deserve a lot more support for setting these forces in motion to abort this illconceived war. Funny way of putting it as so many righttolifers support this war.
Cindy is a modern Joan of Arc–”Our Lady of the Ditch!” Be in Wassington Thursday, Jan 4 to tell this new Congress they weren’t put there to keep doing business as usual.
Actually, Keith Olbermann made the top of the list, but Ned is there too. What Ned did was make it possible for a candidate to run against the war. If the Lamont we saw in the general election was the same one who ran in the primary, I think he would have won. I am 100% convinced that Hillary sent her Washington consultants up there to get Lamont to fuck up and allow Lieberman to win. It just didn’t make sense that she would turn her back on the DLC and support Lamont otherwise.
Apparently Rape Gurney Joe doesn’t care who is on the gurney, where they are, or whether their need for medical care is because of a felony crime or a war crime. Holy Joe cares about his own importance and place in the Big Decisions. He doesn’t give a crap about the suffering that others go through…..only that he is weighing in on the side that holds the strings of power for the time being.
It will be both sad and funny to see how he responds to the wave that is going to hit in 2007 and 2008.
There was a reason that so many of us went to CT to work for Ned. This states it pretty well. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
Thank you Jane for cluing us in and inviting us to get active. Now that we have begun, we will continue until we have the country back and the war over. And then we will work some more.
I think “vanity” has a lot to do with Lieberman’s constant promotion of the Iraq war. But some little thing keeps nagging at me that there is something other than plain vanity at work here, relating to Lieberman’s motivation for escalation. Perhaps I’m wrong on this.
the new year brings renewed vigor to my daily affirmation:
my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.
1,382 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
What a wonderful statement of the purpose and goal of the anti Iraq War movement that now defines our politics: “If this war ends one day sooner or one less person has to die…”
That is the call to action, that is the response to those who argue the futility of direct action against the war. The political education about the levers of power and mechanisms of terror and intimidation and their links to massive economic movements of wealth that comes from people working together against the war machine is the product of direct action. The blogosphere has stimulated the beginning of a process that is inexorable and undeniable…the coming together of people united for a common purpose that can change the world as we know it.
I don’t think that anything can stop what has been started in the anti Iraq War movement…and I think that the politicians are not gunna have a choice in the face of people-power in the streets. The institutions of reactionary power, including the Supreme Court, are gunna defy populist demands but I don’t think anything can stop the political changes that are comin’ as a result of opposition to this war.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BATTLE HAS JUST BEGUN!!
RevDeb @
10
Where are we going next, RevDeb? I’ll pack my camera. ;)
Jane, not even one commenter, say on page 8?
Senator Joe – July 6,2006 QUOTE So I am confident that the situation is improving enough on the ground that by the end of this year, we will begin to draw down significant numbers of American troops, and by the end of the next year more than half of the troops who are there now will be home. /QUOTE Youll say anything to get elected, right Joe? And heck, it isn-t like your kids are going to get killed in Iraq. So much for the last honest man. Gag.
By ifthethunderdontgetya | Dec 29, 2006 7:52:00 AM | Request Removal
my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.
The DLC is a very distasteful little outfit, with way too much influence. And. “The DLC gave strong support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.”
spazeboy @ 14
Next we need you and Bob and Al to teach the rest of us how to do what you did so that we are ready to fan out and catch the bad guys (and gals) in their lies and do it on tape, then post it for all the world to see.
Lieberman is an obsequious twit and a coward. He will start back tracking as soon as he realizes that things will not swing in his direction. In other words, he will start lying again.
I passed on reading CT4L’s op-ed earlier, because I already knew what he wrote. But the 37 pages of comments!
My favorite – Bring my son home!
It appears WaPo may have stopped printing new comments…
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 15
I believe Lieberman’s 19 year old son was sent off recently (out of harms way) to study in Israel.
Oklahoma kiddo @
11
It could be pressure from or loyalty to a powerful looby group.
RevDeb @ 17
My life recently got 10x busier, but I would love to put some sort of tutorial or panel or something together over the summer, well in advance of the big 2008 business (both political and personal).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 11
You and me both! And it begins with I.
congrats, spazeboy!
The best way to support the soldiers in Iraq is to bring them home.
spazeboy @ 22
WOW and CONGRATS! When do you plan to tie the knot?
spazeboy,
10x busier? Ha. ha. ha…you can wish.
congrats! My wife and family have made me 30x busier and 40x more proud, fulfilled, frustrated and so on.
Oklahoma kiddo @
11
Don’t think you’re wrong at all OKiddo – the “other vanity” you speak of is his massive ego. Ned Lamont is everything Lieberman is not: a true public servant, patriot and a truly great American patriot.
I just hope it’s not gonna get lost in the shuffle that Murtha has worked so hard to put an end to this war. He deserves an enormous amount of thanks, and I, for one, think he deserved the second in command position. I haven’t gotten over that yet, and it changed my thinking on just how effective the democrats in Congress will be, since they didn’t even seem to know what a real leader looks like when they had the chance. Instead, we got Steny Hoyer, who also would say anything as long as he can maintain his hold on his power base. So what does that say about the vast majority that voted for him?
16,273 deaths reported in Iraq in 2006
The tabulation by the Iraqi ministries of Health, Defense and Interior, showed that 14,298 civilians, 1,348 police and 627 soldiers were killed in the violence that raged in the country last year.
newspaperbrat @ 28
The key comment showed up in Blog Wars where James and Will from the BBC were interviewing Joe about why he was in such a tough race. Joe said “Because somebody had the AUDACITY to think he could do a better job . . . ” Audacity indeed!
It’s all about Joe. It has always been all about Joe.
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Citizen oklahoma kiddo:
“But some little thing keeps nagging at me that there is something other than plain vanity at work here…”
You and I both kiddo…could it be the synergy between payoffs from corporate profiteers and his loyalty to the foreign policy of another nation state other than the USA?
But be patient, this is one of the many questions that will be answered as we keep pullin on the thread of lies woven around this war…there are some BIG changes comin’ down. All we hafta do is stay focused on the war and the shrinking political forces supporting it…all will be revealed in it’s time. GO WAXMAN, CONNYERS AND LEAHY!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE PRIZE!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
The best way to support our soldiers would have been to never have sent them to Iraq in the first place.
Arguments against the invasion were shut down by “Support the Troops” factions before they were even committed to action.
“I told you so” is seldom a productive argument, but until the people who ignored and shut down intelligent discussion if the first place are removed from future discussions,
it is perfectly valid.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 11
Is this an oblique reference to the same over compensation as exampled in Lord Farquaad’s castle in Shrek?
Ann in AZ @ 29
I look at the Murtha thing as a troubling sign. How it all plays out remains to be seen, though. The DLC still have a great deal of control of the party, and they aren’t going away. Working around them and through them will both be necessary.
On another subject entirely, congratulations, spazeboy!
1,382 DAYS AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Mack:
Bring ‘em home ,brother!! When we get the kids home and face the massive wreckage that is our economy and politics resulting from this war we will have the answers and those responsible will be answerable.
KEEP THE FAITH AND NO PARDONS UNTIL CONVICTION!!!
The “McCain/Lieberman Plan” meme needs to be repeated over and over. Hang the escalation around their necks like an anvil. “Shot His Friend in the Face” made it to the MSM from the blogs let’s do the same with the “McCain/Lieberman Plan”.
RevDeb @ 26
Spazegirl is pushing for a summer 2008 wedding. It’s an election year, but if I ever want to see the ‘08 Democratic Pres. nominee sworn in I’ll keep my trap shut.
I didn’t get everything I wanted in 2006 *cough*Senator Lamont*cough* but damn close. I had the best year ever, and got the best girl ever.
I heard Connie (Condi’s cousin) Rice recently on Travis Smiley. She too wondered why with all of the disasters, corruption, and incompetence associated with the Republicans and the Bush Administration the elections had not resulted in an even stronger rejection of the Bush and the Republicans.
“There is not a politician on Capitol Hill who will look at those 37 pages of comments and not realize that precisely the opposite is true..”
I can name one — George (fuck)Wad Bush.
Cujo359 @ 35
I would be much more comfortable if we could break up some of that control that the DLC has. They’ll no doubt be backing Hillary, who I just don’t feel is the right candidate at th right time. I’ll only vote for her if she is picked as Al Gore’s VP, and then only so I can vote for Gore. I really think he’s the one. But I don’t think he’d pick her. Obama or Edwards would both make a better running mate. So would Dean.
OK-kiddo..that nagging feeling is possibly the thing that should not be mentioned.
From lieberman.senate.gov..August 31, ‘04
“AIPAC is an organization of American patriots committed to promoting America’s interest in strengthening ties with our democratic ally Israel. Since its founding fifty years ago, AIPAC has served its fellow Americans by promoting peace, justice and security in the Middle East and beyond. AIPAC deserves our gratitude and support for its important service and devotion to our country.”
Hugh @ 39
Connie Rice is refreshing – and clearly not a kissin’ cousin of Condi.
I think Lieberman and probably McCain are underestimating the blogosphere at their own peril. After barely holding onto his seat by the skin of his teeth, with a lot of whining, obfuscation and shady campain dealings, Joe thinks he can ignore us and we will go away. Apparently he doesn’t realize 2006 was the first salvo in a whole big can of wupass and his seat IS NOT safe for the next 6 years. There are a whole lot of people who are not going to quit bringing all his sleazy dealings to light and sooner than later he is going to do something that he won’t be able to buy or whine his way out of. The blogosphere is the online voice of the grassroots and we are only going to get stronger. Accountability is the new black and Joe is a fashion disaster.
spazeboy @ 38
If I’m still around and if you need someone to officiate, let me know. It’s always more fun to work with people I know and help them through the process of writing a ceremony *g*
Great post, as per usual. Thanks.
Speaking of Joe, 1) what ever happened to the queries about the primary computer jamming (too small a server?) and the huge chunk of change spent without proper accounting, and 2) has anyone looked closely at what his wife is shilling for $ and how Joe has voted? Just saying….
Watching old reruns of M*A*S*H on TVLand. Right now is the episode where Hawkeye writes the letter to his dad. It was so funny and so sad at the same time. Can’t say that anything happening in Iraq is at all funny and sad doesn’t begin to describe it.
Richmond @ 46
I do believe those are the sleazy dealing Kelven at 43 is referring to.
Richmond @ 46
The hacking myth has been officially exposed and of course the media gave it one big collective yawn. As to the $384,000 used for “petty cash” we are all still waiting to find out what that was about. Will we ever get an answer? hard to know, but I hope it was used for very illegal purposes and we can find his fingerprints on it.
Yup, Thanks Ann, missed the sleazy dealing bit earlier. Remember some of the biggest criminals were brought down through simple things like tax fraud.
Ed*ard Teller @
19
I did notice that. They shut it down or it would’ve been much worse.
Looks like Holy Joe is getting quite and earful over at WaPo. Maybe it’s not what he hoped for, but then again, perhaps it was just a trial balloon in advance of his buddy Bush’s so called “surge”. I hear Bill Krystol was on the teevee today endorsing Joe’s vision. They’ve started talking to themselves, clearly no one else is listening.
So glad that many took the time to inform WaPo that Joe is not a member of the Democratic Party, but a member of the CFJL party. It is important that people are reminded that Lieberman was rejected by the Democratic voters of Conn. Another thing to remember, didn’t Joe supposedly beat Ned by exactly the same number of votes he beat his last opponent with? Very strange, no? Lieberman can pose and strut all he wants, but basically he’s done as a serious politician. He has zero cred. That’s the only thing about Joe Lieberman that makes me happy.
Kelven @
43
Anyone notice Ellen Tauscher running her mouth to the New York Times since the California bloggers threatened to primary her?
Me either.
Richmond @ 50
We’ll just have to stay on this guy like glue. He’s gonna have to get so tired of being challenged with every utterance that he’ll wish he hadn’t won the election after all.
Thank you for the insight and the WaPo link. The replies are shocking in their vitriol,numbers, and consistency- and from freaking Washington Post readers! I love it. I just love it. I remember when reading progressive blogs was the only way I could avoid feeling like a voice in the wilderness. Now. Hey, this feels real good. I’m eager to find out what trick Bush and his “National Security Team (what a joke)created at the ranch.
Boudica @ 52
It was nice that so many pointed that out. It seemed to be a consistent theme.
Congrats Spazeboy!
And Jill – great list and great comments – the Had Enough crew is very proud of the mention!
ifthethunderdontgetya @
15
I did cop to scanning. I woulda recognized ya, ifthethunderdontgetya.
;)
Ann in AZ @ 41
I’d like to see the DLS marginalized, also. They gave us the last two presidential candidates, and look how that went. Unfortunately, that’s going to take awhile, even though it seems obvious that they can’t win any more. The problem is that they still get much of the big money, largely because they’re the “business friendly” wing of the party.
Don’t buy into the myth that Iraq is not as deadly as Vietnam. If you scale up the numbers, then Iraq is just as deadly.
Vietnam was 4 times longer (13 vs 3 years)
Vietnam had 4 times the troops (500,000 vs 130,000)
Multiply 3,000 x 4 x 4 = 48,000
And that is with better body armor and medical advances. Bottom line: the chances of a US soldier being killed in Iraq are the same as Vietnam. If we Escalate (like Vietnam) and stay there for thirteen years, then the body count will be the same, but the seriously wounded will probably be greater.
Ann in AZ @ 54
I don’t think that Keith and Bob and Maura et al in CT are about to let Joe get away with anything. He sneezes in the wrong direction and we will know about it.
Then again, he has no reason to go back to CT for a visit (something he didn’t do anyway until Ned challenged him) so he won’t be quite as easy to catch. But we also have an able crew in the D.C. area with pretty good radar for lies and graft.
Hope Joe enjoys all the “love” he will continue to get from us.
Excellent point. This needs to get out there. Add to this, key differences. Now we have all these National Guard members who are involved. There is major depression (50%) among the troops, more serious injuries (head injuries), their families are not being taken care of (unlike enlisted soldiers), and many will lose their jobs because they are away so long.
Pectopah @ 60
When DOD releases the escalating death stats do they factor in wounded who end of dying from their injuries?
When DOD releases the escalating death stats do they factor in wounded who end of dying from their injuries?
I think it depends on how soon they die. There is alot going into keeping the death count low, and not in the way most people think.
Has anyone checked Drudge recently? He seems pretty defanged since the election. Even their is one piece up pointing out that Reagon supported Saddam. Outside of that there is football, and little else.
Jane,
If you did not notice any of the usual suspects in WaPo comments section, it because you and the other progressive blogs have educated us “lurkers” so well, and we finally had enough. It is thanks to you.
We need to get after our reps in DC every chance we can to end this mess, no funding, no mas.
The WaPoo Joementum is just one little sign of our numbers.
There is a solid majority of people who now want the war to be ended, and this includes soldiers who have lost the faith.
I have totally effing had enough, and I am sure going to be letting my reps in Washington hear about it.
I’m itching to know where the next big thing is going to happen, because I don’t think it will be in Connecticut. What happened (started?) with Ned Lamont challenging Joe Lieberman in Connecticut will have to happen elsewhere too–and I hope it’s somewhere close by.
I mean, If 37 pages worth of regular folks “get it” about Lieberman, who else can we shine some light on?
OK its a slow night. I should be working too. Noticed a plethora of spelling mistakes in my 65 entry. Time to go.
Those 37 pages were a total delight.
Pardon? What pardon? Toss him in the slammer and throw away the key!!!
Richmond @ 64
I think it depends on how soon they die. There is alot going into keeping the death count low, and not in the way most people think.
Thanks Richmond. Anyone happen to know if anyone or any group is monitoring DOD in regard to this or are we expected to trust DOD and/or the service branch of the critically injured who sooner or later die from related injuries? There are so many lies from the current administration I take everything they say with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Richmond @ 65..Out of theater deaths are counted. There is a private group that monitors DoD numbers, newspapers for obits and other sources in-order to trac casualties.
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/
Bu$hcon is disintegrating, but McCain/Lieberman is attempting to pick up the neocon torch.
Keep at them people, keep at them!
Richmond @ 69
Apparently we need a tutorial on how to do correction once we’ve published! I tried to correct my typo, but I haven’t figured out how yet (twice.) And, BG, it must be nice to be able to tell your rep anything. Unfortunately, I come from AZ and all my direct reps are Republiscams (sigh.) But at least we got rid of Hayworth this year. At least that’s a major accomplishment worth mentioning.
Steve @ 72
Thanks Steve – so appreciate the linky too.
With apologies, I haven’t read the comments — I am in the midst of too much of everything. I just want to say thank you, Jane. Ned Lamont was and still is a hero. He did what few others were willing to do.
Joe Lieberman makes me want to vomit.
spazeboy @ 68
The next big challenge, at least in the NE will be in NH with Sununu running in ‘08. Rumor has it that Jean Shaheen will repeat her challenge. She was “defeated” partially with the help if the phone jamming that was engineered by the RNC. This race is entirely winnable as NH is turning blue day by day.
As for turncoat dems to go after, the next few months will tell us a lot, methinks.
Pectopah @
60
I served in the Army during Vietnam. All draftees (with the notable exception of 10,000 drafted into the USMC in 1966) who went to Vietnam did one 13-month tour. Most 3-year enlistees did only one tour.
I know kids now on their third and fourth deployment since 2002. So their chances of becoming a casualty are significantly higher than Vietnam if you go by Pectopah’s measure at #60.
The kids drafted into the USAMC in ‘66 were often kept in Vietnam far past the end of their tour.
newspaperbrat @ 76
It is not my area, but I have read (NYTimes?) that only those who die within a set period of returning are counted. In other words, those who commit suicide after 6 months in the U.S. don’t count, or those who die from complications after a given period.
Wait, I just realized, Joe Lieberman IS vomit.
Some crap on NBC news right now about the first U.S. soldiers to die. “The war was new and popular then. . .”
THIS WAR WAS NEVER POPULAR!
RevDeb @ 78
As for turncoat dems to go after, the next few months will tell us a lot, methinks.
I have my eye on Susan Collins. I hope Maine gets someone to go against her. She is hardly a moderate.
Steve @ 73
That site lists 148 deaths among American contractors. Many of them are security guards, “consultants”, or trainers. These are jobs that would probably have been done by American military personnel in past wars. This is another way to keep the apparent casualty rates lower than the true rates. We don’t count these as combat deaths, either.
Richard @65 Here’s another one that tracks the numbers:
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
David Ehrenstein @ 81
then why did Bush get reelected?
former marine in ny @ 73
I hope the republican whoremasters think that these two fuckwads would make a team for the presidency….against say…Edwards and Obama..
oh please oh please….
Listening the News Hour this evening with the Cheney clip on former President Ford it sounds to me like they’ve resurrected Karen Hughes and she is ghost-writing for the felonious Bush/Cheney team again.
Ed*ard Teller @ 79 The other factor is the ratio of support to combat troops. In Vietnam it was about 10/1, in Iraq as best I can determine, it is about 2/1. In Iraq many of the support jobs have been out-sourced to KBR, etc. Of the 57,000 troops to be sent to Iraq over the next few months as part of “troop rotation”, 20,000 are combat.
Speaking of pro-war people who are losing – Katie Couric – she of Limbaugh fan fame. Her numbers are not so good.
OT – Where’s Obama?
Richmond @ 82
I’ve been hearing talk that Tom Allen may run against her. If so, it would be a hot contest and definitely winnable.
Ed*ard Teller @ 79
So much for shared sacrifice.
Steve @ 89
It is, and this reflects a trend that’s been going on in DoD generally. For the last couple of decades, support and training jobs that have been done by soldiers are now being done by civilians, and they almost always are contractors, not civil service.
lina @ 85
Rigged voteing machines…like that 18,000 missing votes down south.There wont be fair elections until those paperless abominations are outlawed
twolf1 @ 91
This is truly disgusting. One would hope that Obama, Dean and the Dems would get all over this, and with a lawsuit.
to Hugh @39 ~
the reason the defeat was not greater is that the machines were not programmed to switch the number of votes necessary to throw the election to the Rethugs. Had Rove correctly understood the feelings of the electorate, those voting machines would have been programmed “correctly”.
Don’t you remember his saying, “you may have the numbers but I have the numbers.”?
His numbers were wrong; the election went to the Dems – no matter how narrow the margin.
I can only imagine how a true count would have been an overwhelming mandate for the Dems.
Ann in AZ–check this out. He**her Wilson just visited Iraq with one of yours–Rick Renzi. S/he is now saying no on surge. . .this is after years of being a yes wo/man for Bush. (Sorry, I am sick of he/her’s bizarre sexuality and double standards, so I now use any combo to refer to he/her.)
So maybe Renzi has had it too…I don’t care what Wilson says, I intend to be after he/her at every opportunity.
Troops Out Now!!
Richmond @ 96
don’t hold your breath… but I hear Bin Laden may file suit.
Pectopah @
67
Thanks for de-lurking.
lina @
86
Perhaps Mr. Bush was not reelected. Did they cheat again?
twolf1 @ 99
LOL! Nice one.
Richmond at #79: It is not my area, but I have read (NYTimes?) that only those who die within a set period of returning are counted. In other words, those who commit suicide after 6 months in the U.S. don’t count, or those who die from complications after a given period.
I don’t consider this so unusual in that it happens in every war. I remember that my aunt’s husband (the father of my cousin) died of shell shock years after the war. The story was that he came home with a “tick.” They tried to go on with life and proceeded to start a family but he died of war injuries received years earlier. I doubt that his death was counted.
I do think, though, that we are going to have an extremely jaded bunch of young men coming home, considering the autrocities they’ve seen and may have participated in. Even just seeing that video of soldiers leading young Iraqi kids (who likely didn’t even know what they were saying) being led in a chorus of “Fuck Iraq” for the soldiers amusement tells me a lot. I hope that’s all most of them did that they should be embarrassed about.
Until the blogosphere voices are directed toward supporting a more balanced power that’s behind Lieberman and similar pro-escalation politicians, the resistance is futile.
Mary McCurnin @
101
The war was NEVER popular. Briefly, between 9/11/2001 and the “fall” of the Taliban, Bush’s team’s strategy seemed highly competent. But in the late 2002 to early 2003 runup to the real war, the establishment had to pull out every stop to hold their fragile pro-war “coalition” together. It has been a slow, but continuous downhill regression almost every day since early June, 2003.
Oh – Bush lost both the 2004 and 2000 elections.
For those of you WaPo readers whose thoughts and opinions merit the attention of the Executive Editor, please comment here.
One of my primary New Years Resolutions is to entirely bypass the Ombudsman, making her as irrelevant in fact as she is in deed. I hope you’ll join me in directing any concerns you have to Mr. Leonard Downie Jr.
I’m giving Downie 6 months to buy out Deb Howell’s contract. As of 7/1/06, my commentary will go directly to Donnie Graham, Legacy Boy-Publisher.
twolf1 @ 99
CNN has had a low standard for years regarding proof-reading graphics. The crawlers on the bottom are notorious for spelling mistakes and poor grammar, along with cryptic abbreviations. I can recall the North Korean Leader refered to in a crawler as Kim John Ill. It seems the rush to get graphics on the air trumps accuracy.
Still, a retraction and apology is in order.
Plus I am not sure you can even sue for libel over a political smear. No matter how egregious, false and full of malice. But Jane and CHS probably could answer that better.
Steve @ 88
This troop rotation Bull is what will cause more pain and horror and destoyed lives than any thing I can think of.Troops went to ‘nam ONE trip…and it tramatized many to the fracture point.My very best freind in gradeschool/highschool went to Vietnam.I lost track of him,and found him 25 years later.In some ways it might have been better if I had not.Its a long story,with a lot of pain,but it gave me a gut solid understanding about what war does to warriors.
My god..we have sent so many men and women,most so young they still get carded at the local bar back over ,and over,and over.This has created a boatload of DAMAGED people.And the pain and suffering that they will cause,and will go thru trying to have something like a “normal” life sickens me.
I want there to be a hell…the payment for the lies that caused this war should be biblical
No matter how egregious
You rang?
I’m packing for the DR. Seeya in 4 days.
On deaths: On don’t think we will ever get a “real” Katrina count either. Remember they sent in KBR folks to do the body pick up. NO one else was allowed in. HMmmmm.
egregious @ 109
A started spelling it with an “a”, then I remembered your handle. No need for a spell check.
snuffy @ 108..sounds like my cousin who re-upped 2 more times for combat and on 3rd the Army figured out he was a heroin addict. It took him 20 years to get his shit together and is finally doing well. This was a kid who should have been rejected for mental/emotional reasons..but was part of the 100,000 program.
BG at #98–Do you have a link, perchance? I’d love to read the article.
TeddySanFran @ 106
Teddy she will be crushed. I think what you two have qualifies as a relationship now.
Those 37 pages of comments are blistering, but George Will still holds the record. For his column criticizing Jim Webb’s WH reception exchange with Bush (”Already Too Busy for Civility”), there were 99 pages of comments.
(I think they stopped the comments at that point, because why would readers stop at 99 pages? They would have pushed it over 100, just for the fun of it.)
Lieberman is second best.
McCain and Lieberman are silly old men who are out of touch with the American public and who think they are going to scold us all in line. And they can bite me.
Anyone read this sad story at WaPo today?
Think this generation isn’t gonna start demanding the dying end?
Well Mr. Restaurant, always glad to be of service. Da svedaniye.
egregious @ 117
U BCE XOPOWOPA
Lady Jane,
A loss is always bitter, especially in the case of Ned Lamont. However, I learned in High School poli-sci class,that even in a loss, a constituency can be borne and recognized.
It is with deep appreciation I offer gratitude for Ned Lamont to offer up a portion of his own personal families nest egg, the results of time spent away from his family, and his tireless energy on the campaign trail to give voice to this constituency of those who dwell in the real-world.
Unfortunately, those who work for us, sometimes, tend to be hard-headed and hard of hearing. Let’s keep whittling at that stick of ignorance, and if you talk to Mr. Lamont, tell him I am very proud to have donated to his campaign.
Even in loss, our nation owes him a great debt of gratitude that mere words fall far short of the mark.
Steve @ 111
My buddy was a “GoldenGloves” grade boxer,with a “problem” w/authority…when he was there,he would spend his time in the bush walking point,and his R&R was being the regiments[sp]champion Boxer.
Think about it..
Pectopah @ 118
Thanks. Things do mostly go well but I am bipolar.
1,382 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Ann in AZ:
“…we are going to have an extremely jaded bunch of young men coming home, considering the atrocities they have seen…”
The aftershocks of this terrible horror will be every bit as powerful as those of Viet Nam…actually, I think that the social dislocation and strain on social fabric will be even greater than for us after Viet Nam.
Consider:
-During and after Viet Nam there was a viable though over-extended VA Medical system, the fascists are dismantling this system as we speak and it’s one of those institutions that’s been drowning in the bathtub. Further, many of the reserve and National Guard soldiers are NOT eligible for VA Medical benefits without a substantial co-pay.
-During and after Viet Nam we had the Viet Nam GI Bill and it was every bit as extensive as the one after WWII that helped to create the middle class that is now vanishing (thanx “greatest generation”)…the Iraq vets are comin’ home to absolutely nothin’.
-There are no political organizations to help Vets make sense of their peculiar experience, like the Viet Nam Veterans Against the War(VVAW) and Vets for Peace that fought for local veterans support and provided advocacy and a political identity for Viet vets. The kids comin’ home from this one are gunna be strung out from here to Mars and there is absolutely no specifically veterans-run support for them because there is no organized anti- war movement.
The cost of our not being in the street and not organizing to force the end to this madness is gunna be seen in the alienation and self destruction of the mass of soldiers comin’ home from this one. The organized anti Viet Nam War movement provided for the development of veteran support on the local level by vets for vets and local vets organizations were able to tap into government and state funds for veterans support. There is no organized anti-war movement to provide cover and support for vets as they come home…and we will pay a dear price for that.
Please firepups, our single political purpose for the foreseeable future must be to get these kids home, surround them with the love and support they will need and promise them that we will make the profiteers and criminals who brought us this tragedy pay for their crimes.
KEEP THE FAITH, THESE KIDS ARE OUR RESPONSIBILITY!!
I did a piece on Joe’s column on PhillyIMC I think Joe uses propaganda terms straight out of the Joseph Goebbels handbook.
Let us not, as a nation, forget that Hillary supports this war.
Interesting Novakula
http://www.suntimes.com/news/n…..01.article
I just went to see my neighbors Mike and Cora and they saw “Blog Wars” too. I didn’t tell ‘em, and I didn’t even know they read blogs.
Even sleepy little Oregon coastal towns are changing.
Oilfieldguy @
119
Thanks, OFG. If the opportunity presents itself I will do so.
New ways of lurking and trolling. I just found my self up at the site entry, refreshing a couple of times blindly, thinking there might be a new post to put a “0″ on. Then I would come back in a couple of entries later with an EPU from Billy Boy saying “Jane is Hot.”
I said above I needed to get back to work. Forget it, I’m too gone. I’m off to bed.
Mod note – deleting Billy Boy’s comment at his request – but sharing the welcome!
Welcome, Billy Boy, but the token redneck spot is taken by yours truly. Just kidding. I always welcome kindred spirits. Stop by from time to time, throw in your two cents.
The place is literally crawling with hot babes, but that is so secondary. The most erotic part of the body exists in the mind, and the ladies of the lake are absolutely brilliant.
Except for my erotic zone. It extends four feet from my body in all directions.
But I am a cad and a rake.
Extends four feet from your body? What a guy!
Four feet?? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
He said: “Except for my erotic zone….” That part is 12 feet. He would make an elephant matriarch run for cover.
Gosh OFG … now I’m really looking forward to that dinner date!
Yo, Norske,
I always read your stuff with fascination. You barge in and throw down a rant and puff of in a whiff of smoke.
But this one leaves me puzzled.
These troups will be worse off than the Vietnam vets due to lack of protests?
The major lesson, for the citizens, of Vietnam, was we can hate the war and still love the warrior.
I can see faulting Republicans cutting veteran programs to finance corporate welfare, but to fault American citizens for acting all Vietnamish (is that a word?) is the wrong track.
Jane – I got an unexpected email from a former colleague whose boyfriend was watching Blog Wars and she walked into the room and saw my cameo … pretty weird since politics is the very last thing on her mind! odd to think how many folks are being introduced to the wonderful blogosphere and esp to our lady Jane!
HotFlash, message for you on previous thread. Hope you are doing ok. Back in 4 days.
karen allen @ 125
Thank you, Karen. Let’s say it loud and say it often!
karen allen @ 130
An erotic zone does not represent an actual appendage.
Sorry ladies.
Anyone know if “Blog Wars” is available on DVD? We don’t receive Sundance channel and are eager to see – especially our lovely ladies of da Lake.
Jane: Please do me a favor a delete comment number 122. I’m new at this and I WAS ONLY TEASING you..I deeply appologize. It would be my luck some republican link this to my Auntie..Please please destroy that post..
BTW..Blog wars rocked..But i am an stupid first timer that lacks the creds to do this..
( but i will let you know the first bill my auntie proposes..I’m so proud of her.. My dad introduced me to JFK when i was a boy..my grandfather was the most awesome labour leader of all time..IMHO..)
Please let me off the hook jane and delete my post…thank you and I’ll return again and keep you posted.
dead last @
40
Silly! He won’t look a them!
mod note – Billy Boy’s comment in the quote deleted – just in case.
the NSA’s already got your number, pal. relax.
[Mod Note; we love you. Thanks.]
Kelven @
44
What Kelven said! especially the ‘2006 was the first salvo in a whole big can of wupass’ part.
Norskeflamethrower at #123: I couldn’t agree with you more. They’ve been diluting VA benefits (and those of their dependents) almost on a daily basis. It’s shameful!
Billy Boy – welcome and don’t worry! We all think Jane, and Christy and TREX and SIUN and everyone else who posts here is hot. I wonder what Marshall McCluhan (sp) would have thought of this medium. Is it hot? or Cold? Serious question, by the way.
lina @ 140
Mod, you’ll need to erase it out of OFG’s 128 as well.
anybody notice anything wrong with this statement?
I guess we are starting to see the 80% solution… (the quote is from an article on msnbc).
so, we are storming Sunni politicians offices because, you know, they are al-qaeda… have I got that right?
The people of Connecticut must have little or no ability to think critically, you know, like Adults.
I have Never subscribed to the fallacy that Real Adults are ‘duped’ into anything.
Real Adults can be negligent and not do their homework.
Real Adults can be careless and lazy and Allow truly evil things to occur on their watch.
Real Adults can admit they were not living up to their duty as intelligent citizens of a democracy to exercise their judgment in the face of obvious deceit and cowardice
But Real Adults can never slap their foreheads and say,”Golly, I was Mislead but that Evil Prick Holy HoJo.”
The Nutmeg State will have the blood of thousands directly on their hands if Liarman out Rethuglicks most Rethuglicans on an Iraq ESCALATION
Thanks Egregious! I just took care of that one.
Jane Hamsher @
54
It just so happens that I’m in the mood for primaries. How can I help?
OldCoastie @ 147
I guess we are starting to see the 80% solution… (the quote is from an article on msnbc).
so, we are storming Sunni politicians offices because, you know, they are al-qaeda… have I got that right?
if their lips are moving, they’re lying.
Billy Boy,
you see, you are entirely too late. The moderators could scrub your comment off the face of the world, but I already commented on it.
They would have to scrub my comment too.
What is the worst thing you said? That Jane is hot?
Take that back buddy and I promise you a fat lip.
For future reference, do not post anything here that you don’t want headlined on the Washington Post, New York Times, or Weekly World News.
We are, after all, BFF. (For Newbies=Best F**kin’ Friends)
That’s a joke, Billy Ray…er Bob…er Boy.
See, I can’t remember your name. It helps when the NSA boys show up.
Gen. Oded Tira used to be chief af artillery for the IDF. He said this two days ago:
In a stark statement published on Saturday Brigadier General Oded Tira observed, “President Bush lacks the political power to attack Iran. As an American strike in Iran is essential for our existence, we must help him pave the way by lobbying the Democratic Party (which is conducting itself foolishly) and US newspaper editors. We need to do this in order to turn the Iranian issue to a bipartisan one and unrelated to the Iraq failure.”
Because of the dramatic loss of political power of the Bush-Cheney administration, General Tira urges the Israel Lobby to, “turn to Hillary Clinton and other potential presidential candidates in the Democratic Party so that they support immediate action by Bush against Iran.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..cleId=4271
Ed*ard Teller @ 152
OMG is all I can say!
spazeboy @
69
I recommend Candace Miller, MI-10
Did someone order war?
-Odin
lina @ 141
Richmond @ 144
Billy – I’d like to hear more about your meeting JFK – sounds like you were very young unlike Bill Clinton who was an adolescent at that time.
war is good for industry
- catherine the great
ET – I hope we see Hillary have enough backbone to stand up t this pressure … should we place bets?
Jane,
Thank you for the essay. You have captured what the majority of people in this country want and that is an end to the madness. Any politician that stands in the way of that now probably hasn’t represented his constituents in a very very long time. We are no longer the minority. We are no longer out of the mainstream. The truth of the matter is we are the mainstream.We are the majority. This country was hijacked by hoodlums and thieves sometime around the Reagan era and Nov 7th 06 was the first time we collectively got our asses together to stop the bullshit. I hope a sleeping bear has been awoken that sincerely has a case of insomnia.
HotFlash @ 155
And the only reason she won re-election as Secretary of State so many times, is you could not re-new your Michigan Drivers license without walking into a building that had her name in big neon lights, and secretary of state in small letters. All at tax payer expense.
Ed*ard Teller @ 152 Hillary got into that bed before her first Senate run and now she is stuck. People will remember her vote for cluster munitions, etc,etc,. Her positions on Iraq and mid-East will kill her in the primaries.
RevDeb @
92
Yew! The nicey-nicey to Gerald Ford at the end of the link was not perhaps the best introduction to Rep Allen.
Steve @
161
I believe she was joined by almost 30 Dem. Senators in their vote to replenish the IDF cluster inventory with no restrictions whatsoever on their use in urban and suburban environments.
leslie @
97
Note to self: make sure the (*^$#@ things are fixed before 2008. 2006 was a mistake they will not make again.
Ed*ard Teller @ 152
Jeez louise. That sounds like something Gary Ruppert would post.
ET – well, that surely pisses me off royally… just exactly who is in charge of our country? (well, OK, that’s a ridiculous question)… just fired off letters to my Senators…
ET – That generals statement reads like an act of treason to this little pup.
oops, he’s an Israeli Gen. nevermind.
A Rare Moment: OFG Waxes Poetic
If I had no fingers to touch you
Nor arms to embrace you
And blind eyes hatefully arrested my sight
My legs are numb
I cannot come to you
And yet
Still
I am by your side
feeling as you do
embracing what you do
seeing what you point out
walking to the light
walking to you
I touch, embrace see and act
by the healing waters of the ladies of the lake.
OFG
@ 63.. Hillary and the 30 Dems who are “good for Israel” will be overtaken by reality over the next year. Their votes will be shown to be bad for Israel and for the US. The Iraq War is good for Israel the same way that the “Healthy Forest Plan” is good for trees.
Ned Lamont broke through the culture of fear that kept the Lieberman/PNAC/GOP alliance on the offensive. When he showed Democrats that it wasn’t necessarilly political suicide to call for the end of our perpetual and expensive occupation of Iraq, it gave middle of the road Americans with misgivings a reason to vote Democratic in the last election. Now the aformentioned alliance is exposed, losing, and on the run like schoolyard bullies who unexpectedly got their noses bloodied by the kid they never thought would turn and fight back. You might not have won the general election Ned, but your punch to the kisser was a thing of beauty and courage that I will always treasure. You did us proud, and it’s up to the rest of us to restore peace to the “playground” now.
Ironic isn’t it, that in Israel, every 18 year old (that includes women) has to serve in the Isreali armed forces.
Lieberman’s 19 year old son is in Israel studying, not enlisting in the US armed forces.
The jewish population in the US is approx 1.4% of 300 million people = 4.2 million
Of that 4.2 million strong population:
writer Phil Shuman of The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles wrote, “Only some 3,000 out of 1.4 million active duty servicemen and women are Jewish, about two-tenths of one percent.(.2%) When it comes to Marines, the numbers are even more startling. It’s one out of 1,000. One-tenth of one percent.” (.01%)
I guess Holy Joe’s son has ‘better’ things to do with his life than join the military.(Unless of course he was a citizen of Israel)
Just like Dick Cheney’s excuse.
Jane Hamsher @ 125
Novak’s taking a beating over at WaPo, too–it was already up to 16 pages about half an hour ago…
Eureka Springs, AR @
167
He’s certainly talking out of school. I first read his comment at an Israeli indymedia site, but have tracked down what is probably the original article here:
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Co…..75,00.html
Ed*ard Teller @ 153
Well, General, you’ve got the most powerful military in the Middle East, and if Iran’s a threat to you, you start a war with `em.
There are no mutual defense treaties between the US and Israel, because Israel wants it that way.
When are people going to figure out that this blind support of right-wing governments in Israel is bad for everyone involved (except arms manufacturers)?
Lamont ‘08
What bothers me the most is that Gen. Tira is so out of touch that he actually thinks Is*ael has some sort of influence on American policies. Maybe he should retire….
Oilfieldguy @
168
Rated most original pick up line of 2007…
SubwaySerenade @
177
wax on, wax off
OFG,
Damn, you’re like the Rumi of the internets!
So what’s GW Clusterfuck’s REAL plan in Iraq? Killing Saddam while he still had several crimes to stand trial may mean that Clusterfuck has decided to get on the side of the shiites and kill as many sunnis as possible- he may see it as the only way to hide from the world his miserable failures as president.
If that’s the game- then the US is on the road to managing genocide..
Happy New Year.
Ed*ard Teller @ 152
Seems like the General needs more info. Bush doesn’t just lack political power. He lacks military power, having squandered it so recklessly in Iraq. It’s going to take him years to build up forces enough to perpetrate another fiasco like the current mess he’s gotten us into. He’s overplayed his hand, and done exactly what the terrorists and Israel’s enemies wanted him to do. Our generals already know this.
Hmmm…do the words coup d’ etat sound familiar. Is that the next threat to our security and well-being?
egregious @
135
Ta’, will go look. Ms for you on your blog.
rwcole @ 181
Never was a plan, never will be one. Planning’s for guys that think with their head instead of their gut. And, “Jesus is my favorite political philosopher” boy has God to guide him.
It’s not genocide, it’s just tying up some loose ethnic strings.
Thanks.
-Karl Rove at The Ministry of Reality
At one of the schools I attended in the Army – rotary wing crew chief at Ft. Eustis – my two closest friends were an Israeli and a Saudi prince. They became best friends. They’d both been drafted after dropping out of college.
OT – stoopid question, but… which day do we take to the streets wit pitchforks? it seems to have slipped my mind.
Imus returns to MSNBC tomorrow. Wish him Happy New Year at imus@msnbc.com and suggest he ask his good buddy Lieberman when his 19-year-old son’s enlisting. I don’t even care which army, U.S. or Israeli…war mongers’ sons should sacrifice just like America’s bravest sons and daughters.
And then there’s George P. Bush, son of Jeb… and of course, The Twins…. yes. Let them fight their fathers’ wars.
Real royalty do. ’bout time Faux royalty do as well.
Circumstances (read his own lame political career) have turned GW Clusterfuck into a Shiite..Does he have ta get his ding a ling sculpted in some eastern way? At any rate- he’s now in favor of killin sunnis as far as the eye can see.
SURGE- cowboy!
OldCoastie @ 147
I guess we are starting to see the 80% solution… (the quote is from an article on msnbc).
so, we are storming Sunni politicians offices because, you know, they are al-qaeda… have I got that right?
I don’t think I’ve ever quoted myself before, but the whole story just smells so bad… Kagro X, over at DKos has further details and the story just gets weirder…
U.S. kills six… somebodies. Of some kind.
getting crazier still…
GW Clusterfuck headed back ta Washington- he’s got 3002 widows ta hug- some of em are gay guys!
It is really going to get ugly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/was…..r=homepage
twolf1 @ 187
We give the 110th congress time enough to show that they really don’t plan to do anything besides move the photocopier to where the file cabinet was and vice versa. Then we clobber them. Mid-March is my guess (warm weather, too.)
twolf1 @
186
Not pitchforks, my friend, but mice. Computer mouses unnumbered like grains of dust, in the hands of rabid lambs and filthy steenkin’ heeepeees…
Ed*ard Teller @ 187
Fascinating. What has happened to them since?
montag @
174
In reality,I dont think that this Israeli general understands the situation as clearly as he thinks he does.This president is probably ,honestly,so full of hubris that he will attempt to pull it off{the attack on Iran}All it takes is a few aircraft,a couple of provocations,and the shootin starts.At that point,it takes a life of its own,and we are on a sleigh ride to hell
And these people feel its”the RIGHT thing to do”
God help us
GW Clusterfuck in a rare Kennedyesque moment:
“Well we’re ALL shiites NOW!”
twolf1 @ 179
new thread
Late night
Let’s not forget that the United States is bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq.
“Also Monday, the Iraqi government raided and sealed the offices of a privately owned television station, charging it had incited violence and hatred in its programming. In its coverage of the execution of Saddam over the weekend, a newscaster had worn black mourning clothes.
“The satellite television channel Al-Sharqiya, which broadcasts from Dubai, remained on the air late Monday. The station is owned by Saad al-Bazzaz, a one-time chief of radio and television for Saddam.”
Freedom of the press, anyone?
MSNBC World News
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16428440/
twolf1 @ 187
I keep my pitchfork by the front door just ready and waiting for that day.
newness!
montag @ 194
I lost track of both within a year of my next posting. After school, one went to a big unit near DaNang, one went on to flight school – the Saudi. I went to Ft. Lewis.
They could never agree on how to make a good cup of coffee in the barracks.
Jane Hamsher @ 114
noooooooo!
Oilfieldguy @ 137
… and gentlemen.
snuffy @ 197
Believe me, I’ll be the last one to discount this possibility. Plans are made.
Sorry, didn’t get it outside of the box.
Subway serenade, i believe this is the first time you ever hit on one of my quotes.
Go back, reread, and right a muthafukkin song about it.
Disjointed connections, streetcars passing in the night, voices in the darkness, kindred spirits crying for justice, linked only by the thinnest of umbilical cords, threatened to be severed by corporate and authoritarian corporatists any second.
Shit, am I, a truck driver, the only poet and philosopher alive today????
Goddammit!
HotFlash @ 192
Wherever a veteran is buried – wherever the wounded are treated (or neglected) – we can gather and walk.
Just walk – from the hallowed ground to the nearest seat of power.
And do the same thing the next day.
And gather and walk with neighbors.
Walk and talk –
we’re ahead of Dubya already.
Well, hell. Maybe you’re right, Jane, and maybe for at least a couple of years I’ve been looking at this through the lens of my own pain. Maybe all this bloggy stuff does make a difference in some amorphous, lumbering way. Your comments on the horrid Lieberman More Death op-ed piece are lucid and convincing. Maybe some evolution of mass consciousness IS at work. Maybe my cynicism needs to fly back to its coffin on digital bat wings.
People who believe that victory is measured simply by chalk marks in a win/loss column have no idea how long-term battles are waged.
That would be me, I suppose. Emotionally, I just don’t have the stomach for it, though. I want it all NOW. [sigh] But henceforth I will at least refrain from pissing in the pool!
“Nuff said.
Just went to the article, where the Post has obviously stopped taking comments. Too bad…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..judges_pay
Chief Justice Roberts calls for judges to get pay hikes.
I say….get a second job. I know nurses and teachers who do that.
Intercepted!!! Touchdown OU!!
1.02 LEFT OU 34 BSU 28
PAT good 35/28 OU
1.02 left
OFG, you know you are posting on two threads?
HotFlash @ 214
At least
Double reverse, touchdown Boise!!
Holy shit. 0.07 seconds left
PAT Good!!
Tie score!!
Well, yeah, but which one will the final score be on?
Another good sign — the Democrats are sticking it to the Pubbies: http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.c…..o-see.html
Oilfieldguy @ 128
What extends four feet from your body?
Jane, CT Bob and I have a question – was that Lorenzo Sunflower you were holding in Blog Wars? I don’t remember the episode. Maybe in Bridgeport?
Anyway, thanks for the front page mention!
Right on!
I tried to leave a comment on Lieberman’s opinion piece, but comments have been closed. I sent the following email to Joe via his website. (I used the address of Hartford, CT 06103.)
Senator Lieberman,
I read your opinion piece, “Why We Need More Troops in Iraq”, in the Washington Post, dated December 29, 2006.
I appreciate that you spent the time traveling the Middle East and thinking about Iraq, but you would be doing the country a much better service if you would be more straightforward and honest. The war in Iraq is almost exclusively between Sunnis and Shiites and this is why it is proper and honest to call it a civil war. Yet you and the Bush administration continue to mislead Americans by insinuating that we are mostly fighting al-Qaeda or lately, Iran. You even try to frame the Iraq war as an appropriate response to the 9/11 attacks which is practically criminal of you since this way of thinking allowed us to be distracted from Afghanistan and the true perpetrators in the first place. We Americans do not have the ability to stop the civil war militarily and the solution to the civil war is mostly political. If a time-table for elections was an acceptable way of pressuring the Iraqis, then certainly a timetable for our troops to withdraw is also acceptable.
I agree with you that the daily scenes of death and destruction are heartbreaking and infuriating, but it’s infuriating because the war was not necessary and those such as yourself who enabled and perpetuated the war should be tried for war crimes. As a start, you could at least acknowledge your and Bush’s past mistakes. In summary, shame on you Mr. Lieberman and shame on those who work for you and support you.