
Tim Golden in the NYTimes describes the "process" of review for detainees at Guantanimo:
The prisoner had seen just a brief summary of what officials said was a thick dossier of intelligence linking him to Al Qaeda. He had not seen his own legal papers since they were taken away in an unrelated investigation. He has lawyers working on his behalf in Washington, London and Pakistan, but here his only assistance came from an Army lieutenant colonel, who stumbled as he read the prisoner’s handwritten statement.As the hearing concluded, the detainee, who cannot be identified publicly under military rules, had a question. He is a citizen of Pakistan, he noted. He was arrested on a business trip to Thailand. On what authority or charges was he even being held?
“That question,” a Marine colonel presiding over the panel answered, “is outside the limits of what this board is permitted to consider.”
Under a law passed by Congress and signed by President Bush in October, this double-wide trailer may be as close to a courtroom as most Guantánamo prisoners ever get. The law prohibits them from challenging their detention or treatment by writs of habeas corpus in the federal courts. Instead, they may only petition a single federal appeals court to examine whether the review boards followed the military’s own procedures in reviewing their status as “enemy combatants.”
But an examination of the Guantánamo review boards by The New York Times suggests that they have often fallen short, not only as a source of due process for the hundreds of men held here, but also as a forum to resolve questions about what the detainees have done and the threats they may pose.
Some limitations have long been evident. The prisoners have no right to a lawyer, or to see classified evidence, or even to know the identity of their accusers. What has been less visible, however, is what many officials describe as a continuing shortage of information about many detainees, including some who have been held on sketchy or disputed intelligence.
Behind the hearings that journalists are allowed to observe is a system that has at times been as long on government infighting and diplomatic maneuvering as it has been short on hard evidence. The result, current and former officials acknowledged, is that some detainees have been held for years on less compelling information, while a growing number of others for whom there was thought to be stronger evidence of militant activities have been released under secret arrangements between Washington and their home governments.
Every day, I pick up the newspaper and feel like we have been thrown into some Kafkaesque nightmare. Today is no different. This is being done in the name of the United States. In all of our names.
To make matters worse, those Chinese Uighyars, who had already been deemed to have been picked up erroneously and innocent of charges? Seventeen of the 22 are still being held (with five finally having been sent to Albania in May as political refugees), and according to the NYTimes, forced back through yet another hearing procedure...which looks an awful lot like CYA to me, and not at all like justice. Appalling.
But in the Bush Administration, standing up for the rule of law and the Constitution gets you the boot. I am here to say right here, right now, that whatever it takes, the rule of law will be restored. Whatever. It. Takes.
Is it January yet? Because I'm not sure my blood pressure can wait much longer...especially reading something like this:
...Yet intelligence officers at Guantánamo found ambiguity everywhere. Many of the detainees had been captured by Afghan militias, Pakistani border guards and other surrogates, and some had been turned in for bounties, intelligence officials said. Information about their identities and actions was often vague and secondhand. Physical evidence, if any existed, was sometimes lost before reaching Cuba.Still, the detainees who were held on the weakest information tended not to be a priority for either intelligence officers or the military’s criminal investigators....
Lawyers at the Defense and Justice Departments had another worry: that detainees found to be “not enemy combatants” might sue the government for wrongful imprisonment. Partly for that reason, officials said, the review office was instructed to use the phrase “no longer enemy combatants.”
By the time the C.S.R.T. reviews got under way, intelligence agencies had confirmed that half a dozen detainees released from Guantánamo were fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan. Such risks were raised frequently in government debates.
“It was sort of a mantra in the system: ‘You have got to make sure that you don’t release any of the wrong people,’ ” recalled Charles W. Moore Jr., a now-retired vice admiral who set up the review apparatus under Mr. England....
The lawyers respond that the obstacles to their input in the process raise questions about the military’s desire to learn everything it can about the detainees. More than a week after the hearing for the Pakistani businessman accused of ties to Al Qaeda, a Washington lawyer who had been trying to help him told a reporter that he had not even known the session had taken place.
“There is no hint of any kind of due process in this,” said the lawyer, Gaillard T. Hunt. “He’s got no right to an investigation. But substantively, it really doesn’t matter, because they can always just say they have this classified information that he can’t see.”
Whatever it is that the Bush Administration and the military are pretending to do with this, one thing is abundantly clear to me: it is CYA which is the top priority, and to hell with honesty or integrity within the system, and to hell with the rule of law and the fact that a number of innocents may be held while the Bush Administration negotiates for time and whatever else it is they may want from another government with the release of someone who actually may be dangerous and goes right back out of Gitmo to attack our soldiers.
Does this make sense -- honestly make sense -- to anyone? On some level, of course it does: the prisoners who have any value are the ones who are guilty -- they have violent people who are more than happy to pull strings for them back home to pressure for their release, with politicians in their home nations in their pockets who are happy to help for some money and promises of fewer attacks in the near future. The innocents have only their families, some of whom because the prisoners have had no real means of contacting folks back home, have no idea that their family member is held alive at all.
And this is all okay with the Bush Administration? Just peachy keen and pass the sweet potatoes, is it, rule of law be damned, decency be ignored altogether?
Explain that to the 906 American soldiers who were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2006, George. And explain that to a public that expects you to do your job instead of just cover your ass -- and explain how it is that a President who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law as a part of his primary duties at the helm of this nation can so contemptuously dismiss that duty without so much as a backward glance? Because show hearings, show trials, and farcical representation without evidence, without investigation and without any hope that someone involved in the government's end of the case gives a rats' ass about the truth is a disgusting sham. And when you add in the indecency of the removal of any ability for review by a third party -- no due process, no right to habeas, nothing -- but for the fiat of the President...you do not have to go far to understand that the predetermined CYA outcome has already been predicated on the fact that many of these people have no one -- NO ONE -- to speak for them.
The sacrifice of the powerless and often innocent on the alter of Presidential reputation, PR machinations, and public opinion tirades. How exactly do you sleep at night, Mr. President?
We ought to be so much better than this. When we are committed to the rule of law, our nation rests on a firm foundation of the search for truth, for justice and for equal treatment in the eyes of all. When we walk away from that commitment, we set ourselves up for the dictatorship of the few -- something over which we already fought one revolutionary war against a King George in the not so long ago and back to which we as a nation should never, ever go -- and I, for one, am looking forward to Pat Leahy and John Conyers reminding you of that very fact come January.
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fitz!
this gitmo shit is bullshit…. Fuck… shut that bullshit down!
OK, I give up - we’re in the 8th circle of hell.
I have thought for several years now that the Democrats in Congress should have gone into full protest mode. I can’t understand why they haven’t been screaming at the top of their lungs about all the abuses of this administration.
Is there any hope that they’ll set things right now?
What is the short and long term solutions for politicians trying to control and subvert the rule of law?
This shit makes me physically ill. I’m ashamed to be a U. S. citizen.
Mutant Poodle @ 2
Dante’s Inferno Test
This isn’t America. I don’t know what it is, but it isn’t America.
Mutant Poodle @ 3
You said it for me, except we still have the web and people like Christy to keep us informed. Thanks Christy! And, why is this not getting more publicity and play. Oh, I forgot, MSM-MIC (marriage of MSM and Military Industrial Complex)
SW, try living in Japan…
cabbie: where are you from?
me: [sigh]… America…
cabbie: [silence]
Hey, Nancy Pelosi,
Set the fucking table and impeach these bastards. We must establish once and for all that the American people reject the acts of this administration and mean to prevent them from ever happening again.
Don’t buy into this Gerald Ford healed the nation nonsense. He healed nothing. He covered the wound until it festered into a rotten mess.
We have given you the power. Use it.
Jay Goldfarb @ 4
There is hope, but they will need constant heat. Some of the dems are no-good riders of the Gravy Train just like the rubberstamp repugs.
They cannot use the cop out excuse that they will be accused of being weak on security by republicans as readily as they did before. The public is not down with this war, the domestic spying, the deficit, the torture, the extraordinary rendition, the corruption, the hypocrisy, the lost jobs, the stagnant wages, the rising mortgage interest rates and etc.
We must clean house on this rabid lot and acknowledge our(American’s) complacency for allowing this to happen. To the Barricades!
How exactly do you sleep at night, Mr. President?
I believe he answered that one the other day by saying he sleeps like a baby, thank you very much.
As do most other sociopaths.
What, exactly, *is* the definition of ‘enemy combatant’, other than what GWB, hissownself, decided it to be?
And why doesn’t he, hissownself, fall within said definition?
It is my sincere hope that this is not going to all “go away” on January 20, 2009.
My hope is that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice,
Hadley et.al. will spend the rest of their lives lawyering up against the charges that will be coming at them from many of these detainees.
This is another reason we need a Democrat in the White House who would not even think of pardoning these rat bastards.
In the meantime, go Leahy, Conyers, and all the Chairmen who open investigations on all these enablers.
In the early days of the war, Bush remarked that he slept like a baby. Colin Powell was asked by reports how he slept. Powell said he, too, slept like a baby — he woke up screaming every two hours.
Military attorneys who have any kind of conscience at all should not be participating in this charade. They are doing neither themselves, their comrades who might be captured one day nor our country any service at all.
The MCA legislation was one last desperate attempt by Rove to bait Democrats to oppose The Wrecks-All Wrangler so he could beat them over the head in the mid-terms. Unfortunately, instead of having a spine, or thinking of an effective counter-strategy Democrats cravenly gave in and allowed the bill to be passed.
Now undoing it will require more than simple repeal. It would have been sweet if some Democrat on the Judiciary committe had stood up and said, “Sure, we’ll be happy to pass this, with a provision that it’s not law until the first defendant tried under it, and that it applies to is Osama bin Laden”. That would have shut down the arguments really quickly.
But then they don’t pay me millions of dollars to think about elections. I blog for all 150 daily readers for free.
Peace, and have a Happy and Very Safe New Year fellow Firepups!!!
Jo
Oh, and Happy New Year everyone. Sorry to be such a grump.
you think you’re a grump?
amen to that.
the Donkeys have very little legitimacy left as an opposition, either they rediscover some backbone in 2007, or they clearly are Part of the Problem.
Hubris at 19 — I don’t think, I know I’m a grump this morning. For good reason, sure, but grumpy nonetheless. Not exactly in a celebratory mood today, I’m afraid. SIGH
Hubris Sonic @ 10
I’m trying to imagine any place an American would not get this reaction. Australia maybe? I dunno. Antarctica?
Pretty depressing. The rest of the world is against us and the average American hasn’t a clue. I mean, CNN gives Glenn Beck a primetime hour every night. That pretty much says it all.
And this is all okay with the Bush Administration? Just peachy keen and pass the sweet potatoes, is it, rule of law be damned, decency be ignored altogether?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with decency - quite the opposite in fact.
It *does* have very much to do with the rule of law, in that they all know that these prisoners must not be allowed to appear in a Unites States court of law, where pesky things like rules of evidence apply.
Lawyers at the Defense and Justice Departments had another worry: that detainees found to be “not enemy combatants” might sue the government for wrongful imprisonment.
Why worry about that? We’re due to file at the “Superpower Bankruptcy Court” any day now.
well, its 3:35am here in tokyo and thank goodness 2006 is behind us. i mean, it was no 2005 (the year after 2004, ((the election))) but its done….
its done…
we still are standing. we still are ready for the fight. thats something…
For laffs, here’s Arlen Specter saying “I’m not giving a blank check to the President to escalate the war.”
Translation: “For how much, did you say, Mr. President?”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....37502.html
CYA has to be a large part of this. Combine a certain kind of American arrogance (”we’re at war, we can do anything we think helps us”) with some of the worst collective foreign language skills in the world and there’re going to be a lot of mistakes to be covered up.
In this vein, I’m thinking of the German used car salesman on vacation who was kidnapped in Macedonia and then held in Bagram and tortured for four months–all because his last name was spelled similarly, but not identically, to someone the US was after.
Ah, mandrake, that was nonetheless important, that otherwise useless bit from Specter.
He used OUR framing: escalate, escalation.
That says a LOT right there.
Krugman gets in the paper here once in a while, but not when he writes like this.
Might cheer ya up a little.
Amnesty International is campaigning to Close Guantanamo …
They’ve recently released a video about the impact on children of Gitmo including info on the children held at Gitmo:
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/s.....atures-eng
and there are many ways you can join the campaign here: for americans, actions are identified here:
http://believe.amnestyusa.org/.....5/Home.htm
I am a soviet historian. Amazing the rhetoric, isn’t it? Conservatism never fails, everyone fails the movement. Potempkin village anyone? Kafka?
Jim Clausen @ 31
The other Soviet trick here is needing some bad guys, finding some guys, and declaring mission accomplished. Too bad many of them are innocent.
OfT: Bloom off the Hillary rose.
g’day, all, Happy New Years Eve. Don’t y’all feel safer with Saddam dead and Gitmo still operating? Thanks for this post, Grumpy Reddhedd — you just keep on being grumpy about this craptastic legal nightmare the USA has created for itself. How will we ever find our way again? Perhaps our next President will appoint a Deputy Attorney General for Undoing Bad Law, with a huge staff and the power to restore honor and decency.
…oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW
( I was referring to Krugman’s theme. Thanks for the link CDC@ 29
I posted this late last night, but what with it still being New Year’s Eve, I thought I’d post the link again… my prayer for the new year.
Your so welcome.
Well, I’ve been grumpy and pissed off for several years now. Does anyone remember the TIA program Matrixx that was a joint database for any information, even suspicions? The new MCA has sanctioned unsubstantiated allegations as credible evidence, allowed citizens to be considered enemy combatants and now, our earlier warnings are being proven.
Add that to this recent article I stumbled upon
The escalation of new “private intelligence/security contractors” that operate virtually unregulated will likely have access to building and using this database. The implications of that alone are startling.
The link to the WaPo article
Justice Dept. Database Stirs Privacy Fears
…By tapping into the details available in incident reports, interrogation summaries and other documents, investigators will dramatically improve their chances of closing cases, he said.…
In summer of 2004, I had a singular opportunity to attend a 2-day internal conference with one of the best know companies in the world; we discussed what we believed the future would look like in 5-10 years, and how it might affect their products. (Sorry, unable to divulge the company name or products under terms of non-disclosure — but know that we were talking about YOU.)
One of the attendees, a well-known editor, bemoaned the fact that translations of texts from overseas, particularly those of the Middle East, had fallen off sharply after 2001. It didn’t bother me; this person looked at me like I had a third eye in my forehead, and her sycophants did too. I didn’t bother to explain any further.
You see, our problem is not translation; it’s understanding. If we really sought to understand, we would be learning to read in Arabic and Farsi, Mandarin and Cyrillic, rather than translating. We would learn to understand the writers in their own languages, which shapes their worldview and which is in turn shaped by their view of the world. Without understanding, real comprehension, we cannot begin to fully empathize and find common ground with those labeled “other”.
The Bush administration has NO interest in understanding. It reduces the chance this might happen by removing persons who exhibit understanding, then by removing those who are capable of translation, then by excising any task that requires translation. While it is true they do not want to be held to account for any of their actions, they do not want to remove that partition of understanding that might change our own worldview and encourage empathy.
One need only look at the basement of Bush’s and Cheney’s JAR, the hardcore “believers”; they have no empathy for anyone. I suspect they lack it even for their own kind.
Our task in 2007 and 2008 is to increase understanding; investigations are not only a hunt for wrong-doers, but a chance to understand how we got to where we are, how to get to a desired place — the kind of place where cabbies around the world will continue their conversations with us.
egregious @ 32
ColdWar= Needing to find a new bogeyman= Saddam Thanks Condolizza and PNAC
Great post Christy. Oh, I’m grumpy too. Went over to Kungfu Monkey earlier to cheer myself up.
Oh, and this helps too.
H/T OFG.
Jo Fish @
17
we need thorough investigations
Christy Hardin Smith @
18
And I was going to apologize to you for my being such a grump, and a spoiled brat in the bargain…
Maybe these are proper times to be grumpy, in carefully targetted ways. I thank you for having the clarity of vision and language, the dedication and stamina, to illuminate appropriate targets in an astoundingly effective way. Reading your posts, and translating them into positive actions, are far preferable to hiding our heads under the pillows.
Thank you for your gift. Thank you for using your gift so unselfishly. We as a nation badly need all of it you can share.
Now. Go take that vacation as soon as you can. You’ve more than earned it.
Happy New Year! ;->
Too many wounded:
Bethesda Naval Hospital is planning to double in size to handle all the troops who came home blind, brain-damaged, and/or arms and legs blown off.
And for what, I ask?
Jim Clausen @ 31
I’d ask this question of Condi, the PhD.-Sec. of State, and a supposed expert in all things Soviet, but somehow I don’t really trust her. What would you say the reaction of Russia would be to an attack on Iran (conventional and nuclear) by the United States?
This morning I watched a number of the pundits [they rounded-up the usual suspects] slobber over the opportunity for reconciliation the hanging of Saddam offered in Iraq. Then, I read a column by someone who actually knows something about Iraq and Islam -Juan Cole. The Sunday morning ‘experts’ seemed to miss this:
“The tribunal had a unique sense of timing when choosing the day for Saddam’s hanging. This weekend marks Eid al-Adha, the day of holy sacrifice, on which Muslims commemorate
the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son for God. Shiites celebrate it on Sunday.
Sunnis celebrate it on Saturday-and Iraqi law forbids the executing the condemned on a major holiday. Hanging Saddam on Saturday was percieved by Sunnis Arabs as an act of a Shiite government that had accepted the Shiite ritual calendar”
Sounds like reconciliation is just around the corner.
egregious @ 43
I can’t understand the importance of hitting the number 3,000 when the actual loss has been so much higher for a while now.
Rayne @38: Great comment and so true. If only every American would learn a foreign language–any foreign language–well enough to speak it. Just the experience of expressing oneself in another language teaches you that there are other ways of knowing and experiencing. And it reduces the likelihood that you’ll take an absolutist stance about any aspect of knowledge.
egregious @ 43
Good question. If I seem to remember it was WMD’s that could be given to terrrists. Then, git that Saddam feller. Then, bring democracy. Something about a government and a constitution. Ah fuck. I can’t even try to be snarky. I’m too pissed.
Amidst all of this crap that we now call the world, since George went and broke it, I have had the best year of my life. New wife, new daughter, I just landed a new dream job. My wife’s job is great. Personally, I don’t want the year to end, it has just been great. It is just sad when I look at my daughter’s five-year old face and wonder what challenges she will face because of the decisions made now.
Does anyone think it would be worthwhile to flood the Whitehouse with calls demanding Bush resign? I know it’d never make it into his bubblehead, but maybe it could get through to the staffers who might smack him in the face with how much we hate what he’s done to this country.
Who convinced Nixon he had to go? Ford when he promised a quick pardon? Or was Nixon cognizant enough to understand while our mushroom brained preznit is too stupid?
Happy New Year people. 2007 has to be better with the subpoena power.
Rayne @ 28
Actually, he didn’t say that verbatim. That was paraphrased in the headline on HuffPo. At any rate, he will turn right around and do the opposite of what he says which happens automatically each time he pretends to challenge the President.
No rule of law governed the capture/arrest/detention of these people, contrary to everything America is about, and no rule of law is operative relative to them now. I mean, bounty hunters rounded some of them up? I can’t imagine the “evidence” these would-be Boba Fetts produced for American authorities. I just hope the Dems get in there and get some sort of resolution to this American concentration camp, along with the Iraq War the worst blots on America’s reputation.
old gold @ 45
The disconnect between our reporting and the rest of the world’s is staggering. I have been reading this for a couple of days now but no mention was made on the Sunday shows, was it? I have to ask because I have a raging sinus infection and I could not watch this morning for fear it would cause me to hurl.
hangingon @ 49
Apparently, from some recent comments and news stories, Nixon was, in Alexander Haig’s phrase, “out of control.” He called Ford and took him for a walk in the Rose Garden, explained the four options that staff had come up with, went on to explain why the first three were either impractical or impossible to expect that Nixon would agree to any of them. The last was a pardon after resignation.
Ford didn’t say anything, which his legal staff informed him could easily be construed as assent and would have made him, likely, party to a felony. There was a flurry of legal memos to cover Ford’s ass, but, we know what happened.
There’s no one on Bush’s staff who actually believes he’s in any trouble–he’s surrounded himself with sycophants and people even worse than him. And–as of now–there’s no impetus for impeachment. That is what forced Nixon out of office. He was going to be impeached and convicted.
Bush is under no such pressure at the moment.
Old Gold,
Thanks for the information. That Saddam was executed on the day of “The Feast of the Sacrifice” (the Eid is the feast of the sacrifice, right?) was egregious enough for me, but the Shiite/Sunni differences really scream US provocation. Another reason to really think about Larisa Alexandrovna’s post.
http://www.juancole.com/2006/1.....ddams.html
We’ll be having a protest against Guantanamo on Jan. 11 (5th anniversary of one of the stupidest decisions ever made) at Upper Senate park in DC (near the Capitol), in case anyone is in the area.
OT: Why is everybody using the word “surge”? This is stenography. The president is talking about “military escalation” in Iraq. The word “surge” was developed by the administration as a marketing device for this escalation. There is one thing that we can be absolutely sure of: When the president sends troops to Iraq, he has absolutely no idea when, or if, they will be coming home again. Every reporter who uses the word “surge” should be ashamed of him or herself, and we should let them know it.
peace,
jim
Montag,
Then we must hope the promised investigations by Waxman and Conyers put the pressure cooker on full steam.
I hate sitting idle.
How can we “surge” or escalate, when we don’t even have a strategy, or even know who we are fighting?
montag @ 53
I think Poppy is worried, though. He wasn’t sobbing about Jeb, that’s for sure. He’s got a bit more on the ball upstairs than Junior. But Poppy’s not the “father” Bush listens to, as we all know.
Hello! Can you please tell me if I have been banned from this site? I have tried to post but can’t get posted. If i have been banned at least please tell me so I will know it is not a technical problem. Please reply. Thank you.
[Mod note; bye bye Brad]
Its offical
3000
http://icasualties.org/oif/
3,000 is a political number. As Walt Whitman wrote all deaths diminish me but numbers like 3,000 are the ones we use to measure ourselves and our lives. For those of us on the ghoul watch, AP reports today American combat deaths in Iraq are 2998. Very soon the 3,000 milestone will be reached and passed. Soon after American deaths in Iraq will become again just another number.
As I have tried to point out the last few days, an important reason for Bush to delay announcing his grand new plan for Iraq is in order to avoid this politically sensitive number of 3,000. It is actually in the White House’s interest for more Americans to die before the Bush announcement. First, there were the elections and if the Republicans had done well, there would have been no change in policy. After the elections, everyone held their breath waiting for the ISG report on December 6, then there was Christmas and New Year’s (a bad time to trot out a new policy on how to get Americans killed), and then the 3,000 number (which even the death of Saddam Hussein could not mitigate). So a few days from then say around the 9th or 10th of January when the number is 3,030 or so Bush will speak to the nation and will tell us what the Deciderer in Chief has decided. And for the Americans who died in Iraq in December and those who will die in January, they should know that they did not die in vain but so that their President could get the photo-op he felt he deserved.
twolf1 @
7
Ack! - I have been banished to the second level of hell.
I’d be scared to take the test for W.
katymine @
59
http://icasualties.org/oif/
~~~
bush lieberman mccain = more deaths to come …
Juan Cole’s article is horrifyingly convincing. Looks like a confrontation with Iran is imminent. Unless Dems stand up. They are between a rock and a hard place, I’m afraid. All we have is to rely on their willingness to sacrifice their careers, if that’s what it takes, for the good of the people. A novel idea.
Christy -
Maybe some flower porn will cheer you up…
Maybe we should do a New Year’s “Things to be thankful for…” thread. There are still quite a few.
mandrake @ 58
Well, yeah, but I think that’s because, first, he knows that Junior’s queered it for Jebby, and possibly every other Bush to come along later. As I’ve mentioned before, this bunch can’t rob the Treasury for their friends and then trade on that after leaving office unless they can get into the government. So, that means future Bushes might have to work for a living.
Second, Poopy knows that Junior’s actions have the potential to destabilize the countries with which Bush has been dealing for a long, long time. If the fighting in Iraq spreads from there, what happens to all of Poopy’s carefully cultivated relationships with Saudi and Kuwaiti royalty if they’re thrown out on their asses and their assets seized in revolutions???
Poopy isn’t all choked up because his idiot son has made a mess of America’s reputation or that he’s done damage to the Constitution. He’s unhappy because Junior has fucked the family.
O/T but the Iraq casualties site is reporting that the number of American casualties in Iraq has just reached 3000. Such a tragedy and for no reason and no way to begin a New Year. We must redouble our efforts to end this disaster and the one in Gitmo.
Here is my first thought of 2007 (Kiwis sure party….it is 8:40 am on Jan 1 and the neighbors are still partying hearty).
Hit the tourism sections of international papers hard about the lack of legal protection while in the US, even as tourists. Going from Auckland to London, it is pretty much a choice whether one flies east through the US or west through Singapore or Hong Kong. Fewer and fewer are willing to even transit through the US, as they all must be entered into the US data base (fingerprinting and iris scanning while in the transit lounge).
But many others don’t understand the implictions of the Sept vote against habeus corpus. Getting that explicitly spelled out to tourists internationally can make a difference. I’ve heard anecdotally that tourism among Brits going to Florida is now down 25%. I can’t understand why any noncitizen would choose to holiday in the US.
OhioTex — thanks; I know that my own experience with trying to speak different languages has produced some changes in consciousness. There are whole volumes of context we miss when we rely on other’s translation into our own language. Even movies — mere entertainment — changes when one understands the context that the language of origin provides. (Think about how much we don’t grok in entertainment produced in the U.K….that gap is substantially widened by language.)
This country’s aptitude in foreign languages is appalling, with Farsi and Arabic being used regularly by less than 1% of the population, combined. The gap in understanding increases with religious affiliation, nationality, so on. No surprise that the average English-only American would miss the potential problem with Saddam’s execution on a particular day of the week, let alone a holy day. Very sad and inexcusable.
mandrake — now I’ll have to go and check out that article at Huffpo…that’ll teach me, should know better when it comes to Specter.
NZ Expat — very glad to see you this New Year’s Day, being thinking of you and your family.
Tee Hee….
One of the talking heads called it the “McCain Doctrine”
Brand that puppy on McCain and Lierlooser
Thinking about Saddam’s execution earlier, the phrase ‘indecent haste’ came to mind.
“Ack! - I have been banished to the second level of hell.”
I was wondering when someone else would show up !
Tim @ 72
Clearly, a case of misery loves company. :)
Thanks, Rayne. I can’t believe how quiet and empty the house feels without the 16 year old boy, who has successfully completed the first part of his journey. (He’s trying to figure out why they took his tennis racket as a deadly weapon, but the woman with the very heavy cane just proceeded right on through.) Just turn off common sense when traveling.
montag @
73
Party on the second level! BYOB!
[checking calendar] Is it that time already?
Watertiger’s bringing on the snark upstairs.
montag @
73
Party on the second level! BYOB!
Mutant Poodle — already have my own bottle and several more cases to boot, down on the Third Level.
Gluttony, wouldn’t ya know…
NZ Expat @ 74
I do very little flying, but had to last year because of family matters. I feel badly for the people with pins and various metal prostheses. They go through such annoyances every time in security. I talked to one guy who’d had a knee replacement, and he’d been stripped and wanded three times that day alone because of the way he had to arrange his itinerary.
Eventually, people will tire of it all. Business travel to the US is down this year, and foreign student enrollment at graduate schools is down, as well.
when we were out patroling our area (Coast Guard), one thing that was always an issue was jurisdiction… the highway patrol could no more arrest someone for drunk boating than I could arrest someone on the highway for drunk driving…
good question, this guy asks… do we now have some sort of world-wide jurisdiction? on whose authority?
pesky ol’ rule-of-law stuff…
Rayne’s comment here bears reading. Again and again - “The Bush administration has NO interest in understanding. It reduces the chance this might happen by removing persons who exhibit understanding, then by removing those who are capable of translation, then by excising any task that requires translation. “
Rayne @
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Somewhat off topic but relevant to solving the problems that Christy has highlighted here:
I received an e-mail from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee asking me to rate what kind of job they are doing, and to give them suggestions and feedback. Here is what I said:
1)The DCCC should closely coordinate with the Democratic National Committee to help implement Chairman Howard Dean’s 50-State strategy.
(2)The DCCC should not support or take a position on candidates who have primary opponents, except as described in (3) below. In 2006, in some races where progressive candidates had announced, the DCCC ran more conservative, Republican-like candidates against them. In other cases, the DCCC pressured progressive candidates not to run. The DCCC should stay out of intra-party conflicts, except as described in (3) below.
(3) The DCCC should apply a progressive values test to candidates it is considering funding, evaluating how well they represent the best of Democratic Party values. The one exception to the staying-out-of-primaries principle should be in the rare cases where a candidate who is clearly antithetical to Democratic Party values runs as a Democrat (such as, say, the House equivilant of a Sen. Joseph Lieberman. You know who these people are). In those cases, the DCCC should recruit a progressive Democrat to enter the race and should support that candidate.
Rayne,
You’re right about languages and cultural context. It’s one of the things i’ve noticed in myself. My fascination with japanese, and quite a bit of what i’ve learned just with spanish alone says quite a bit. But i like things like that. I happen to have a good understanding of british context from my own family ties, which helps with that aspect. So UK tv isnt’ entirely foreign to me.
Knowledge of different languages just is an extention of my own curiousity, which was never cut off as a child or as an adult. It makes for so much of a difference when speaking with others, and a respect for them as people and their culture as well. So the voluntary ignorance of even a second language is one of my sore spots when speaking with those isolated. That total lack of curiousity about anything is downright frightening to me.
I often wonder if the goal is actually to reduce air travel especially international air travel. So little of the screening process does anything but degrade an individual and over time make it feel a bit more acceptable to be constantly screened as if guilty until proven innocent of, well, whatever trumped up unknown acusation security quota of the day decides.
Anyway, NZ Expat makes a wonderful suggestion that i hope with a voice of experience will consider making to travel editors across the world.
In response to the taxi driver in Japan I started identifying myself (fifteen years ago) as I do here, what state I am from not country. It really helps in many situations abroad.
I’ve been thinking about the use of the word ’surge’ and it may be more appropriate than I first thought. What happens when a surge occurs at home or in the office. You lose power, blow a fuse or flip a breaker, possibly lose data and permanently lose appliances, food goes bad if your not around when it happens a huge stench surrounds you during cleanup. The only good surge is sexual in nature.
Surge in every possible bushco way…represents a failure of some kind. The administrations PR firm inadverantly chose a perfect descriptive word this time.
Not (never). In. My. Name.
NO!
NEVER.
When will justice truly be done? Let the calls and faxes begin on 01/02/07 and let us never look back.
Five simple words to fax.
NOT.
IN.
MY.
NAME.
NEVER!
Ed*ard Teller — read this bit of what I think is supposed to be hardcore snark…it made me cringe to think that among us walk Americans, numbering in double digit percentages, that subscribe to this as something other than snark.
aliasofwestgate — I had my own breakthrough when watching the original “Three Men and a Baby” (Trois hommes et un couffin, literally, Three men and a baby carriage or cradle). I’d had a couple of years of French in high school, watched the occasional French movie in French, but watched this one subtitled. I was SHOCKED at how much of the story line and the humor was not captured in the subtitling, cracked my head wide open about this gap. The original movie was so tender, some of the best parts intimate and emotionally exposed, none of it revealed in the subtitling. And then the crappy remake caught even less of that original tenderness in all of its American excess, heavy handed macho slapstick substituted for humor borne of emotional vulnerability; somehow it actually captured the essence of the worst of what is American.
Changed my perception of everything that I read afterwards in foreign languages. I have NO faith that we Americans as a whole can adequately grasp the subtleties conveyed in Asian languages, let alone those of Eurasia. We need at least a generation of active coaching in this respect, and the time is well past due when we are already immersed in an asymmetrical war for energy resources.
Rayne,
Yeah, I’ve seen wingnuts quote Jon Swift cold and true, as if….
He’s a true J.C. Christian, Jr.
This Gitmo fiasco reminds me of another period in U.S. history when people were thrown into jail on the whim of a U.S. president and held in jail until that president finally left office.
John Adams, Alien and Sedition Act, people jailed under this partisan act finally released after Thomas Jefferson succeeded Adams as president.