
Just a brief word on primaries for faithless Democrats like Ellen Tauscher and Rahm Emanuel and then I won't mention them for the rest of this story. The beauty, though, in primaries is that targeting can be done based substantially, or even entirely, on the record of the incumbent. In other words, if the incumbent gets elected as a Democrat but then votes like a Republican, Democrats have the right duty to hold his or, in Tauscher's case, her, feet to the fire. The $20 million that it cost Holy Joe Lieberman to retain his "safe" seat should serve as a warning to Tauscher-type Democrats. Judging by her actions since the primary, one Tauscher-type Democrat, Jane Harman, has learned a valuable lesson in politics and I think we can expect better things from her because of Marcy Winograd's muscular primary challenge.
Unfortunately, in targeting for the general election, the degree of odiousness of the incumbent is all too often not the determining factor of whether or not to target a seat. The reality of electability takes precedence. Believe me, it's purely coincidental when the seat of an especially hideous Republican winds up an electoral priority for the DCCC or DSCC. That's what made Jerry McNerney's race against Dirty Dick Pombo so important and that was the one saving grace of the victory by anti-choice Emanuel puppet Heath Shuler over Charlie Taylor.
Late in October I was working on a piece I never got to finish: "The Dirtiest Dozen Republicans in The House." It was meant to be more than just another list of the worst of the worst. I started by noting how all the Democrats seriously targeted by the GOP for the midterm elections were the Democrats who voted most frequently with Republicans on substantive issues.
They' didn't go after the liberals, the populists and the progressives who they can't stop screaming about. They targeted the Democrats who have supported Bush and who have most frequently rubber stamped his policies and gone along with his anti-human, corporatist agenda. In this huge anti-Bush year, which augured so well for Democrats, Democratic incumbents reckoned to be endangered included reactionaries like Charlie Melancon (LA), Jim Marshall (GA), Chet Edwards (TX), Leonard Boswell (IA), John Barrow (GA), Alan Mollohan (WV), John Salazar (CO), Melissa Bean (IL), John Spratt (SC). By voting records, outside of housekeeping tallies, these incumbents are hardly Democrats at all.
But that's where the GOP put it's money. Conservatives in Georgia, for example, who donated money to the GOP saw their contributions paying for partisan campaigns against Jim Marshall and John Barrow, Democrats who generally vote very much how Georgia conservatives want them to vote, while not a red cent went into defeating a Georgia liberal whose voting record drives them crazy– John Lewis– who they didn't even bother to oppose.
Now what about the Republican incumbents being targeted by Democrats? In the true sense of the term, there are no longer any moderate Republicans, but of the dozen least fascist-oriented Republican incumbents — ones who occasionally vote in the interests of their constituents instead of for corporate interests — only 4 were seriously targeted: Chris Shays (CT), Michael Fiztpatrick (PA), Nancy Johnson (CT), and Rob Simmons (CT). (All but Shays were defeated.)
Way on the extreme end of the political spectrum, however, where it gets hard to sort out who's a conservative and who's an actual fascist, quite a few lively races were under way that were meant to oust some of the most extreme hate-mongers and right wing fanatics in Congress. Among the worst Republicans who had serious challenges to face in November are Mean Jean Schmidt (OH), Chris Chocola (IN), John Kline (MN), Jim Ryun (KS), Marilyn Musgrave (CO), Thelma Drake (VA), Michael Sodrel (IN), Barbara Cubin (WY), John Doolittle (CA), Dirty Dick Pombo (CA), J.D. Hayworth (AZ), Dennis Hastert (IL), Robin Hayes (NC), Charles Taylor (NC). Six of these extremist ideologues went down to ignominious defeat.
Still, the vast majority of far right fanatics in the Republican House caucus, including some of the absolute most bigoted and most corrupt, got off scott free with virtually no serious challenge.
Look, for example at the list of the 33 unreconstructed neoConfederates who voted against renewing the Voting Rights Act this year: Richard Baker (LA), Gresham Barrett (SC), Roscoe Bartlett (MD), Joe Barton (TX), Jo Bonner (AL), Dan Burton (IN), John Campbell (CA), Michael Conaway (TX), Nathan Deal(GA), John Doolittle (CA), John Duncan (TN), Terry Everett (AL), Virginia Foxx (NC), Trent Franks (AZ), Scott Garrett (NJ), Phil Gingrey (GA), Joel Hefley (CO), Jeb Hensarling (TX), Wally Herger (CA), Sam Johnson (TX), Steve King (IA), John Linder (GA), Patrick McHenry (NC), Gary Miller (CA), Charlie Norwood (GA), Ron Paul (TX), Tom Price (GA), Dana Rohrabacher (CA), Edward Royce (CA), John Shadegg (AZ), Tom Tancredo (CO), Mac Thornberry (TX), and Lynn Westmoreland (GA).
Although grassroots Democrats supported vibrant campaigns against Doolittle and Tancredo (and against the retiring Hefley's even worse replacement), the other 30 on this list of human scum had almost nothing to worry about. And that doesn't even go to the virtually unchallenged kingpins at the helm of the whole Republican culture of corruption– Roy Blunt, John Boehner, Don Young, Jerry Lewis, Duncan Hunter…
So who are Democratic targeters zeroing in on for 2008? The first rule of thumb, after watching for retirements, is to look for seats where the Republicans won by 5% or less.
Just going by the numbers that would put 40 Republican-held seats into contention. Seven of them are also freshmen, traditionally considered to be an incumbent's most vulnerable year since they haven't had time to establish themselves as institutions in their districts, delivering bacon to the locals in return for political fealty above and beyond ideology. The seven freshmen who won tight races are Vern Buchanan (FL-13; who didn't really even win and may not be seated), Bill Sali (ID-01), Peter Roskam (IL-06), Tim Walberg (MI-07), Michele Bachman (MN-06), Adrian Smith (NE-03), and Dean Heller (NV-02).
Several grassroots and netroots favorites nearly unseated Republican incumbents and know they can count on no-strings-attached support if they try again.
This puts 19 Republicans from the under 55% list in jeopardy: John Doolittle (CA-04), Brian Bilbray (CA-50), Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04), Michael Rogers (MI-08), Joe Knollenberg (MI-09), Thaddeus McCotter (MI-11)– Michigan will definitely be a battleground state in '08– Michele Bachman (MN-06), Adrian Smith (NE-03), Mike Ferguson (NJ-07), Jim Walsh (NY-25), Randy Kuhl (NY-29), Robin Hayes (NC-08), Mean Jean Schmidt (OH-02), Deborah Pryce (OH-15), Phil English (PA-03), Jim Gerlach (PA-06), Thelma Drake (VA-02), Dave Reichert (WA-08), and Barbara Cubin (WY-AL).
Several of these Republicans won with less than 50% of the vote, making them particularly interesting as targets– including Doolittle (49%), Musgrave (46%), Buchanan (officially it was 50/50 but the voting irregularities were so blatantly egregious that this race should be re-run), Jon Porter (NV-03; 48%), Ferguson (49%), Heather Wilson (NM-01; 50/50 with less than 900 votes separating the 2 candidates), Hayes (even closer– 50/50 with less than 400 votes separating the two), Pryce (50/50 with around 1,000 vote disparity), and Cubin (48%).
The other Republicans who managed to stay in office with 55% or less of the vote were Richard Renzi (AZ-01), Chris Shays (CT-04), Dick Keller (FL-08), Mark Kirk (IL-10), Jerry Weller (IL-11), Mark Souder (IN-03), Geoff Davis (KY-04), Lee Terry (NE-02), Scott Garrett (NJ-05), Tom Reynolds (NY-26), Charlie Dent (PA-15), and Mike McCaul (TX-10).
If you go back to the Blue America archive of candidates we raised money for, you'll find several we will be encouraging to run again in 2008, particularly Charlie Brown, either Vic Wulsin or Paul Hackett, John Laesch (who will be ready to run as soon as Planet Denny Hastert announces he's resigning to replace Bush's ex as the new ambassador to Japan), Angie Paccione, Larry Kissell, Tony Trupiano, Eric Massa, and Steven Porter.
Personally I feel we made tremendous headway in CA-25 and CA-45 with Robert Rodriguez and David Roth and I'd like to see them both continue to build a Democratic base in those districts. And my fingers are crossed that a close watch on incumbent Democrats Al Wynn, Tim Mahoney, and the aforementioned Jane Harman, will either yield acceptable behavior or fresh primary challenges from Donna Edwards, David Lutrin and Marcy Winograd.
Related posts:
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Fitz!
707!
tsk tsk tsk!
u’v bin hangin’ roun’ jus’ waitin’, not listenin’ to a woid they been sayin’, oh the shame…
Adie, I’ve been away. What’s “707?”
So where exactly does Hillary fit into all this?
let’s dump rahm emanuel. and take another crack at jean schmidt. i gave to victoria and i’ll be proud to do it again.
Howie Klein @ 3
Some wag decided that was LOL so good the chair tipped over.
twolf1’s been teasin’ some poor critter. I’ll let him explain. *g*
Hey! Welcome back!
WI-08 (Kagen) is going to have a tough fight to keep his seat after beating Gard to replace Mark Green.
Can’t wait for the next version of Fantasy Congress to come out so I can draft him! :)
hiya, Howie! welcome back!
707 = LOL so hard you fall backwards over your chair
now to read…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
I’m not optimistic about where she fits in. But I don’t think she’s part of the aggressive/idealistic team. She’s more part of the Rahm perspective than the Howard Dean perspectice I think. But since we’ll probably wind up having to vote for her eventually, let’s keep an open mind and an open heart– and our fingers crossed.
And while I remember and before the rest of the crowd gets here and this gets lost, THANK YOU HOWIE! for everything you did to help my campaign out!
Adie @
6
It stems from this. Just havin’ a little fun :)
The good news is that Emanuel isn’t running/ruining the DCCC any longer. (The bad news is that he’s moved up in the Dem House hierarchy.) I’m going to go to DC in a couple weeks and see if I can make nice with Van Hollen, the new DCCC chair. We have some mutual friends. I’ll try to get him on FDL for a friendly chat.
Good God, Howie.
That made my stomach drop for real. I intend to work for anybody else during the primaries to see that I don’t have to do that.
Well, I am up for Charlie Brown again — let’s hope sooner than 2008, if Doolittle gets indicted.
I must admit, I’ve pulled back with election fatigue. I’ve still got my bumper sticker on the car and I’m not planning on taking it off.
Howie, welcome home. Did you love Patagonia?OT, I left you a question on your blog and can’t, for some reason, get back there to see if you answered. What do you make of Angelides’ chances in 2010?
Can we focus on getting rid of Gary Miller this year? He’s a particular thorn in my side, what with his foothills development hard on.
SusanD @ 13
I do too, But I said “eventually.” Hillary is a big front runner.
Mommybrain @ 15
I had a great time in Argentina, thanks. And I’m refreshed and glad to be home. Gary Miller is as low as they come– like Jerry Lewis and Roy Blunt and John Doolittle. But in Doolittle’s case, we had a candidate ( a great one) and he held Doolittle down to below 50% and he’ll run again. In the case of Miller, we had no candidate and we’re starting from zero (same with Lewis and Blunt). That’s also the kind of stuff I want to discuss with Van Hollen.
By the way, I LOVE this picture of Gary Miller. It so captures his essence.
I was encouraged by Van Hollen’s statement to the WaPo:
More, please.
Just over the line at 55.45% is Tom Davis (VA-11), next door to me. Andy Hurst got over 100,000 votes while running an underfunded campaign that took no PAC money (and got no DCCC money), and as a result, he’s been getting a lot of attention since the election. He’s a really good guy and a strong progressive; he deserves to be on our list if he runs again (and he most likely will.)
I really dislike Senator Clinton’s assumption that ‘we’ll probably wind up having to have to vote for her eventually’. The Democratic party has so many more talented prospective nominees for president in 2008.
Howie Klein @ 17
So, they didn’t ask you to leave the country I take it?
GW Clusterfuck has now butchered 2998 american troops in Iraq- he will likely butcher his 3,000th before the year is out.
Mommybrain @ 15
I’d like that, as well! In fact, the first place where I registered to vote when i turned 18 was in CA-42 (I live in Mission Viejo at the time)…
And I still have friends who live in the Orange County part of the district…
Ya know, I’m still miffed that we didn’t do anything to make sure that there would even be a Dem on the ballot! I know that CA-42 would be a VERY UPHILL BATTLE, but there’s still no excuse that we’d leave that scumbag completely unopposed this year!
Btw, thanks to Mr. Klein and Blue America for all the good work that they did this year in helping take back Capitol Hill!
: )
In which of the first four primary/caucus states is Hill the big front-runner? Even Tweety’s backed off of the GOP all-Hillary-wish-making (I think he’s fallen hard, with a mancrush on Edwards).
Hillary = Frontrunner is a GOP meme. Let’s not repeat it among ourselves. It’s simply not true.
Redshift @ 20
Let’s hope the bitter Republican Party civil war brewing in Virginia does for Davis in ‘08, what the Republican civil war in Kansas did for Jim Ryun (and Phill Kline and half a dozen other Republican incumbents) a few weeks ago. I think Davis is vulnerable.
The converse of this targeting is to decide which Dem pickups of ‘06 we should defend unconditionally, and which ones we should defend “strategically”–i.e. accepting the possibility of losing as long as it drains plenty of GOP money. For instance, should we really try to hold onto TX-22, or simply use it to bleed the GOP?
Also, Professor Simon Jackman of Stanford has a lot of interesting studies and data on district partisan indices (rather more sophisticated than the public Cook PVI), incumbent advantage, and so on.
There’s also lots of other interesting stuff on his homepage, the link to which I’ll put in another comment to try to avoid link-moderation…
Redshift @ 20
Would Hurst do better against Davis again, or in an open-seat race, should Davis get the Senate nod in the case of a Warner retirement?
rwcole @ 23
Before the day is out. It was 2997 when I woke up this morning– and there are some Sunnis on the warpath for some reason today.
Howie Klein @ 18
OK, this is slightly OT, but I’m a member of Hull-Richter’s Democratic club!
; )
Howie Klein @ 18
Yeah, he’s a tool. He couldn’t wait to sell his land for way more than it was worth. What’s more, the money came from the state as party of Monrovia’s package deal. I saw him, Drieir and Rohrabacher chatting on a cable access show, congratulating Miller other on making such a killing when My Fair City (Monrovia) decided they didn’t want to build up the foothills anymore.
So if both candidates for the presidency in 2008 support continuation of the aggressive Bush foreign policies. Then what are we to do?
Simon Jackman’s homepage. (BTW he’s an occasional poster at pollster.com)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
We make sure NOW that there won’t be two Bush-lite candidates in 2008!
: )
TeddySanFran @ 25
Alas, the newest polling shows her out front in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. It wish it weren’t so. And there’s a long time between now and when that will matter. But, it won’t do us any good to ignore the fact we have a real uphill climb. Honestly, I want to focus more on the House again in ‘08. I’m not so certain we can have as great an impact on the White House as we can on congressional races. Know what I mean?
Slightly OT, but may I take this opportunity to point out that if anyone is jonesing for campaign work before 2008, we have the entire Virginia legislature up for election in 2007, and we could use all the help we can get. Arguably the first rumblings of the Blue wave were the 2005 elections here where we had back-to-back Democratic governors and pickups in the legislature, and further pickups in ‘07 would be a good way to demonstrate that the wave is going to continue to ‘08.
Also, this year is the lowest turnout of our election cycle (no federal or statewide elections), and therefore the most easily influenced by committed activists. Whaddaya say? Get it touch at razorsharpwit AT gmail DOT com, and I’ll hook you up!
TeddySanFran @ 28
It’s always easier to take an open seat than to knock off an incumbent– unless there are really extraordinary circumstances (like if Davis was having a dalliance like Foley and Kolbe were; he wasn’t though.)
Very disappointed that Jerry Lewis didn’t even have to break a sweat. But Pombo’s gone, and Charlie Brown came close.
While you were gone, Jane asked what BlueAmerica might be doing now, and in the future.
I want all national elections – congressional, senatorial, and presidential, publicly funded.
How tall is that windmill?
It should be done, because elections are the breeding grounds for corruption. But how to go about getting those who are receiving those private dollars to vote against their own pockets?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 32
No Democrat can win the nomination supporting Bush’s approach in Iraq– and I’m not so sure a Republican can win their nomination with that strategy either– although I hope they give it a try.
jayt @ 38
I agree 100%. Let’s make sure we ask every single candidate we have on about that.
Howie. What an incredible post. Things were THAT boring in Argentina?! Didn’t you meet je*na & notje*na?
Seriously. Nothing boosts the weary spirit quite so much as seeing plans & solutions like this. ;->
As of 12/26, in Iowa:
Excerpt:
I regard the White House as a huge prize. Whoever is in the Oval Office in 2008 will appoint the next Attorney General.
Adie @ 41
They were hustled out of the country the week before I got there, when the State Dept said it was unsafe for them, it having become very public knowledge that they were down there after one of them was robbed in San Telmo.
Howie Klein @ 29
It’s just a number though, right?
In the Wisconsin 5th Congressional District Sensenbrenner got 61 % and Bryan Kennedy got 35 %, I hope we’ll be able to kick Sensenbrenner out next time!
TeddySanFran @ 42
The new ARG polling shows her winning in Iowa. It’s too early to mean a lot though.
ARG for all candidates, all early states.
twolf1 @ 45
Well, I thought it was a comma, but I get confused sometimes.
My point precisely. So lets work to snag the Democratic nomination for a Democrat who has started early disliking this Iraq mess. Not some Johnnie come lately ‘I am now against the war’ opportunist. I am here thinking of Gore, Edwards, Feingold, and Clark.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 43
Yep, so I don’t want another GOPer appointing another Christianist AND/OR sadist to uphold the laws of the land.
I’m not buying the inevitability of Hillary. Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure Lieberman was the frontrunner this far out from the 2004 election.
TeddySanFran @ 28
Oh, he’d be a shoo-in in an open-seat race; the district went solidly for Kerry and Kaine. One way or another, Davis is the last Republican who will hold that seat. His history of pork and support of federal employees (against a Republican party that hates them) are the reason he’s kept it this long.
The Warner race could be very interesting. Davis has been preening himself as heir apparent for years, but I heard that Allen wants to run for it since his loss, which could be quite a bloodbath. And possibly as a result of that, Warner has been reconsidering his plans to retire.
Howie, hadn’t we best prepare with some fundraising for 2007 House races required due to retirements, indictments, and Ethics Committee (haha!) investigations?
Could there be a new “2007 lockbox” where we raise and hold money against that possibility? Those races are likely to be short, sweet, and brutal when they pop up, aren’t they?
Oh… and I forgot Kucinich. Did I leave anyone else out?
So GOOD to see you back, Howie. Looks like you somehow escaped the Cheney and Emmanuel hit teams disguised as penguins sent after you. We’ve missed the “fire in the belly” intensity of your essays.
I’m trying to get info on what Alaska Dems intend to do to keep the heat on Don Young. So much is in flux here, with our new governor Sarah Palin seeming to be serious about governing a fair distance further to the left than her most devoted advocates are prepared for. And wth US Atty Gen Alice Fisher empaneling an 18-month grand jury here to look further into (mostly) GOP-based corruption.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
Gore still seems to be saying he isn’t running (although I haven’t given up hope on him either). Edwards was kind of a Johnny come lately on this issue (but I accept his apology). Feingold has ruled out running– for real. I have some real reservations about Clark as president. Right now, I’m hoping Gore runs and rooting for Edwards and Obama to run good campaigns. But, like I said, I want to focus more on the congressional races myself, because I feel I can have more of an impact.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
Kiddo, we have been on the same “Clark” page for some time. Have you heard any reason to be optimistic?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
I was kinda excited about Feingold, but it now looks like he’s not running, and perhaps it is best for him to keep fighting in the Senate…
Meanwhile, I’m keeping an open mind on Edwards. Ya know, he was also a “johnnie come lately” when it came to Iraq…
But at least he’s willing to say he was wrong about it, and he’s now espousing a more multilateral foreign policy…
And of course, how can I say no to Gore if he decides to run? I just hope that if he does run, that he doesn’t announce too late, after I decide to commit to Edwards or Obama (or someone else?).
Oh, and I also hope that whoever runs doesn’t pull down our chances of picking up more House and Senate seats!
: )
Redshift @ 53
ReneND @ 58
Not yet. But Clark would be an excellent choice in my view. ;)
TeddySanFran @ 54
I’m all ears. The PAC is open for contributions.
Jerry McNerney Cal.11 gave the Dem. radio address today. It’s good to get the new liberals out front.
Steve @ 63
Did you hear it? What did he talk about?
atdnext @ 59
We have so many talented Demos, I’m thinking, to choose from!
Excellent! Speaking of “faithless Democrats”, I’ve compiled a list of Dems who voted…
o For the Military Commissions Act
o For the Bankruptcy bill (technically known as “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act”)
o Against Net Neutrality (technically the “Markey of Massachusetts Amendment” to the “Communications, Opportunity, Promotion, and Enhancement Act of 2006″), and who
o voted for or missed the vote on Federal Government intervention in the Terry Schiavo case (technically known as “For the Relief of the Parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo”)
I agree it will be interesting to see if the primary challenges in ‘06 induce some positive behavior modification by folks like Al Wynn.
Howie @ 64 Corruption and Iraq
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..TE=DEFAULT
The “vast right-wing conspiracy” has not gone anywhere. They have gotten stronger though.
The simple matter of it is: Hillary Clinton sold out.
Howie Klein @ 26
Heh, heh, heh. Thanks, Howie, I hadn’t seen that, though I’m certainly familiar with the background of it. I’ll comment over at DWT, since it’s OT here.
brownandserve @ 66
Great site! What a bunch of disgraceful assholes on those lists!
Howie, I know you’ve done so before, but could you run some of the reasons you’re not sure about Clarke by us one more time?
OfT:
WaPo’s “media reporter” Howard Kurtz chatz Tuesday at Noon Eastern if anyone wants to ask him about our ghoulish media’s Saddamapalooza, or anything else….
Welcome back, Howie.
I’ve received a few requests from our candidates for help reducing their campaign debts, which for a losing candidates is some of the most difficult money to raise.
Any thoughts about how best to help candidates with debt reduction?
Mommybrain @ 72
I’m not “anti-Clark” and I respect him and hope he continues to serve the country. After spending some time talking to him I got a distinct feeling he’s not the right man to be president (not that it wouldn’t be MUCH better than ANY Republican and many Democrats). I’m trying to keep open minded about Clark and I hope to meet up with him again sometime soon. If you do an internal blog search on DWT you’ll find all the real time posts I did on Clark after we met in person.
RBG @ 74
No, I avoid thinking about it. I have enough guilt runnin’ around inside me without looking for more. What are you thinking?
McNerney response today.
HOWIE!!!!
I am sooo glad you are back. Missed you a lot. (Sorry I slept in, again!)
Now, to read.
TeddySanFran @ 77
Good speech! And the same moment you posted it, he spammed everyone on his list with it too!
Bush, the ‘Manchurian Candidate’. Gone bonkers.
Howie Klein @ 39
Do you think Sen. Clinton is hoping the war will be over before 2008, so she can then come out against it?
Howie Klein @
76
Not sure I have an answer either but, if we think folks are serious about running again in ‘08, it’s something to consider sooner than later.
Howie Klein @ 71
Thanks. This evolved from my earlier idea of a “Lamont Score.”
Here’s my $.02 for 2008 Congressional Blue America priorities:
1. Work to identify progressive Democratic candidates in vulnerable GOP incumbents’ districts.
2. Ally with Van Hollen.
3. Identify, alongside the DCCC, some sinkhole races for the GOP, where their leaders or stars are perhaps less vulnerable but which they’ll fight to defend.
4. Obtain a DCCC no-primary-involvement pledge.
So great to see you back Howie! Thanks for blogging through your trip I really enjoyed reading aroundtheworld. Your target list sure looks like an excellent ‘08 road map at this point. I have a feeling a few surprise progressive candidates will pop up and add pleasant kinks. Hopefully we can support a select few Senate primary campaigns as well. Will the candidates please stand up!
TeddySanFran @ 84
Sounds good, Teddy. Like I said, I’m hoping to have a meeting with Van Hollen in his office in 2 weeks. He was a Rahm lieutenant in charge of recruitment and I’m not 100% certain where he stands but I intend to find out.
TeddySanFran @ 48
I saw that chart yesterday. Clinton or Obama – arg is the right word. The Democrats appear to have learned nothing from 2000.
Speaking of the recently deposed Jim Ryun (was R-Kansas 2) by Nancy Boyda, is Blue America going to focus strictly on challengers to incumbents, or will it consider directing some money to Democratic incumbents such as Boyda who proved their electability but are likely to be heavily targeted by the Repugs in 2008?
I realize that Democratic incumbents, even new ones, will likely have more access to other sources of funding than many challengers will…
neurophius @ 88
I’ve been thinking about that a lot, of course. What does everyone think? We’ll need to make a community decision.
TSF – 4. Obtain a DCCC no-primary-involvement pledge.
ooh I like it.
neurophius @ 88
Seems to me that retaining Democratic seats falls in Van Hollen’s DtripleC portfolio. There was an article (can I find it?) while Howie was away, discussing the Critters-elect’s efforts to solidify support in their own districts, starting before they were sworn in.
Howie Klein @ 89
My suggestion is that we watch and see how they vote in the next year or so and keep our eyes and our minds open for some Democratic incumbents worthy of our support who are facing tough races.
Not that I have any problem with Blue America’s policy in 2006, I’m just thinking in terms of holding on to our new seats as well as beating more Republican incumbents and going for some open seats.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 90
This is critically important, and we can point to Duckworth as example numero uno.
I think strong progressive incumbents are the best folks to support.
Until we reach the tipping point with public campaign finance reform the burdon is upon us.
TeddySanFran @ 84
I’ve also suggested this a time or two.
If possible.
Good idea, provided there’s some grassroots support in those areas. The more they have to defend “safe” seats, the less they’ll have for big-market races, as long as the Democrats aren’t spending lots of money in those sinkhole races, too. Asymmetric politics are what we’re looking for here, I think.
Love that idea. They honked a lot of folks off by not doing that this time. Ditto the DSCC.
No Democrat can win the nomination supporting Bush’s approach in Iraq
But what they seemingly want to do is win the nomination running on increasing the size of, and financial investment in, the military (hell&lo Lockheed, Northup, Halliburton, GenDyn, Bechtel * Boeing Bucks) and a smarmy “we need to change course” recitation that is as empty as stay the course.
Good for John Edwards for pushing the dialog and grabbing the ground on withdrawal (Dodd has as well, but not as empahtically and publically). It’s now become the “McCain Escalation” v. “Edwards De-escalation” tug of war, and Clinton, Obama, et al lost their chance to stake ground as leaders – they will become secondaries to those main players/points, no matter how they now try to distinguish or nuance their positions on Iraq.
No wonder Edwards got surprise SRO crowds who huddled outside in winter even after finding out they couldn’t get in. People are STARVED for a leader who LEADS.
The bad dragon of the Democratic party is the DLC. Let’s figure out how to subdue them, perhaps. We (the Dems) did just fine without these guys for many years.
By the way, last couple of days I spent a few hours on the phone with David Lutrin, the progressive anti-war Democrat who Emanuel muscled out of the way when he found out about how vulnerable Foley would be. Lutrin told me stuff that shocked even me. He’s going to be joining us here next Saturday for a chat. It should be pretty eye-popping for anyone who thinks I exaggerate when I say Emanuel is as bad as DeLay.
I would like to hear directly from Van Hollen, and hope he’ll come for a SaturBAday. I would also like to hear from constituents of the vulnerable 2006 Democratic class about what help we can provide.
There’s a point-of-view issue here; I simply cannot envision what it must feel like to finally have Democratic representation, only to see it at risk in two short years. Mine is a great problem to have (a safe Democratic representative) but I also feel like San Franciscans are due a pro-impeachment Critter as well.
Thus:
A ‘progressive’ for me anyway, is just one who practices the art of common sense. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Rahm is a tumor. And he’s very plugged into the DLC.
Howie Klein @ 98
Howie’s Casablanca moment: “I’m shocked, shocked!”
Here’s photos of the 11/06 runthrough at Ocean Beach….
TeddySanFran @ 102
LOL! or 707– I was though. I mean these guys might be worse than the Republicans! Well, not really. But absolutely just as bad. I don’t want to spoil the surprise. And it’s never been in print anywhere. This’ll be a national scoop.
BTW, Nice work brown and serve, Thanks for the handy bookmark.
Mary @ 96
It seems so simple, doesn’t it, Mary? This is what we’ve been lacking since the Clenis, and if someone really steps up to lead, I hope the now-asleep Democrats wake up enough to get out and get them elected.
Mary @ 96
Pretty much how I feel. Clinton and Obama are what’s wrong with the national Democratic Party these days. Edwards has firmly staked out positions on Iraq and poverty, and has a pretty good handle on what ought to be done in the area of economic revitalization.
I’m sure Sen. Clinton will be updating her position on Iraq soon, so it’s a little less like “stay the course, maybe a little less” and a little more like “something’s gotta change”. Obama will wait a while and then say he was for a withdrawal all along, and lots of folks will believe him.
In an earlier thread on this matter, I suggested using the data from ActBlue to find the biggest contributors and try to raise serious early money for progressives. I think we are one of those contributors, and I will give and help, either with calls or meetings.
masaccio @ 108
I’m not sure what you mean. Want to explain what you’re suggesting more fully?
Howie, you are my FAVORITE Autocrat ;-)
I find several things quite striking about Blue America:
1. In a conversation last night with a VERY smart 20-something, he commented about how disgusted he is with politics, and how he avoids information about it. Yet at the same time, he realizes that political decisions impact his work and daily life. It’s as if elections are in the same category as ‘Pro Wrestling’ and he feels hopeless about the ability of any politician to make much difference.
2. I happen to know a number of people in personnel — hiring, managing, etc. Their view of politics is more grounded in, ‘What makes this person a good candidate? What’s s/he done? Is s/he a good learner? When the sh*t hits the fan, how will s/he respond? Are they qualified? If not, what would it take to get them ready?” That whole concept of ‘investing in people’ is still very much a part of well run companies, and also education. But it appears to be entirely missing in American politics 8(
3. I’ve seen the electoral results of Rahm’s ‘electability’ criteria, and they are a frightful sight to behold! What corporate personnel department would say, ‘Well, Candidate X is more likely to get the job, so we should hire them.” It leads right into my next point:
4. In my region, there are a number of people in government, who are great cheerleaders, but don’t ever ask them to make a decision!
I can’t begin to tell you how UNBELIEVABLY FED UP I am at the absolutely UNQUALIFIED elected officials who control of millions and millions of dollars.
I wouldn’t hire any one of them to run a donut shop. They are willfully ignorant about their impacts on the biological health of the planet, but they’re making twice as much on local councils than they could ever make building houses, or working in the retail jobs they’d otherwise be stuck in. These people — both Dems and Republicans — are the Global Warming Glee Club.
I know teenagers and college kids who have more smarts, and a better grasp of the science underlying global warming, than most of the electeds in my region. So the younger voters are p*ssed and/or alienate — meanwhile, more crap decisions are made by people who make far more money as elected officials (and have better benefits!) than they’d ever make in the private sector, yet they are NOT held personally accountable (financially, legally) for crap decisions.
5. To build on the previous point: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has said in mulltiple interviews that the area in which he has traditionally placed a lot of his focus is on ‘recruitment’. Solid companies, as well as research or educational organizations, put a lot of resources into recruitment and hiring.
Yet political parties, where someone may be in office for 20 years… Their recruitment criteria seems to be all about ‘electability’, which is really polite bullshit for “PR and spin” applied to elections. It is a formula for precisely the kind of disastrous, ideological, first-hog-at-the-trough disaster that we’ve seen.
My 20-something friend can dismiss politics as some bizarre form of public exhibitionism in which: unqualified people (who couldn’t get ‘a real job’), and who are not qualified to work for his company make more money than they could ever make in the private sector — And they remain personally, financially, and legally unaccountable for terrible, expensive decisions. I didn’t argue with him, because for the most part I agree.
What he doesn’t understand yet is that for all the press bullshit about the Democratic takeover, most of the new Dems are HUGELY more qualified than the R’s they beat.
Maybe there needs to be some kind of ‘Ballmer Score’ for candidates… ? Something to signify that a person has some relevant background, qualifications, or other signs that they’ll be good at governing, Because ‘electability’ sure hasn’t cut it, and we’re in deep sh*t and need to somehow figure out how to recruit a hell of a lot more talent running for office in this country (!).
So thanks, you are one of my heros. Blue America is taking on a fundamental, and too-long-neglected, problem in American politics.
readerofTeaLeaves@110, we’re looking for candidates to recruit to challenge Ellen Tauscher in CA and Rahm in IL. Any serious suggestions would be appreciated. Also, we MUST find candidates to run against arch reactionaries and corrupt monstrosities like Jerry Lewis and Roy Blunt and dozens of other Repugs who get off scott free year after year.
rwcole @ 23
Sorry if someone mentioned this, I am flying by, but the timing of the Saddam hanging, seems to have also been to coincide with the 3,000 dead point. We are meant to think that it was all “worth while.” Spare me while I throw up.
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 110
Much of this would make a great letter to the editor.
neurophius @ 81
Super Snark ;-[
Even with a plurality of Americans thinking Bush is the worst person on earth (even worse than bin-Laden and Satan), it won’t do us a lot of good unless we have candidates. And if we don’t find good ones, you can count on the Emanuel types to find really bad ones.
OT for Mommybrain, if she’s reading:
“The Evil Dr. Puma” came about as running gag/comic strip while I was suffering through junior high shop class. Basically, the character was a mad scientist/wingnut (precocious, wasn’t I?) who regularly threatened to nuke Ottawa if Canada sent down another cold air mass. I’ve never forgotten the name, so when I started internetting, the rest was history.
No gooper can win the presidency espousing Clusterfuck’s approach to Iraq–that includes McCain..
McCain is going to have to decide soon whether or not he’s a serious candidate- age and health be damned- if he is- he’ll have to change his tune on Iraq..He thought he had a safe position- he could always say “If we’d sent more troops- we’d be winning- now we’ll have ta leave”
If Clusterfuck DOES send more troops- McCain is fucked!
I think McCain is considering offering himself (and Holy Joe) as the “bipartisan moderates” who transcend party politics.
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 110
Unfortunately, businesses and political parties have different environments to work in. It’s astounding how many people, assuming they don’t vote a straight ticket, just vote for a candidate based on how much they like the people in question, and what they think they can discern from the faces, mannerisms, etc. Now if I ran the world, anyone who was stupid enough to think such a thing would be instantly denied voter registration and sterilized, but even then the problem would be around for another fifty years or so.
What’s more, the reality is that we’re all influenced by appearance. That’s why networks make so big a deal out of who they cast as news anchors. You’d think as long as someone looked like they had something upstairs and were somewhat presentable that would be enough, but it’s not. We go for the pretty face every time, at least as a group.
I agree that all this is a shame, but it’s how it is. Unfortunately, any candidates are going to have to pass a glamor test, although I hope it’s a minimal one.
I’m just sayin’.
What he doesn’t understand yet is that for all the press bullshit about the Democratic takeover, most of the new Dems are HUGELY more qualified than the R’s they beat.
Maybe there needs to be some kind of ‘Ballmer Score’ for candidates… ? Something to signify that a person has some relevant background, qualifications, or other signs that they’ll be good at governing, Because ‘electability’ sure hasn’t cut it, and we’re in deep sh*t and need to somehow figure out how to recruit a hell of a lot more talent running for office in this country (!).
On one condition – we don’t call it a “Ballmer score”. Let’s just say Ballmer’s name always starts alarm bells ringing in my head, and leave it at that.
I’d love it if more candidates were people who were in professions not related to law or business. That’s why I’m glad Jerry McNerney won. Getting rid of Dick Pombo was nice, but replacing him with somebody who understands the physical world and actually had to make a living from it is even better.
I am sure that the ActBlue people can tell you who made the larger contributions to candidates on its lists. These are people who may be able to give large amounts this year. We gave a couple of thousand through the site ourselves, and would be able to give at the same level or higher if we saw a good reason.
ActBlue is showing 18million in giving. Surely there are a couple of thousand people who could give upwards of $500 this year and next. The way to make that happen is to ask for the money directly. Then it is firehosed on progressive candidates, giving them instant credibility. The model is Emily’s list.
The pitch is that these are candidates who will not owe their elections to big money, and will not go meet with that sorry president of ours to discuss things, as, regrettably, some of our candidates did. Of course, this only works if we do a good job of picking candidates.
Earlier you said you thought it best to focus on the Congress. I assume you think that because our relatively small money can make a real difference in these races. I absolutely agree. I also think that until we have candidates free to vote the national interest instead of the monied interests, we will never see the changes we need.
Howie Klein @ 118
Is it even remotely possible that we could have a “bipartisan” McCain-Lieberman ticket for 08? Think about it.
Howie Klein @ 115
Lots of guys outpolled Satan this year. I don’t think it’s a good year to be comparing Bush to Satan, because Satan’s clearly off his game.
Biodun @ 121
I bet it could happen, and good luck! Lieberscream will sink that ship as quickly as he did Gore’s. But aren’t we supposed to say to them, “please don’t put up Lieberman,” as the Repubs have said about Hill’ry?
Cujo359 @ 122
Yes, but only Bush outpolled ALL OF THEM COMBINED! Bush got more votes than Satan and bin-Laden and Saddam and Paris Hilton and Cheney and Rummy… more than all of them combined. No one else did. This was Bush’s year as the country’s arch villain.
How the mighty have fallen.
-Satan
Howie, I can be reached at edjanet at bellsouth period net.
Howie Klein @ 111
Will Van Hollen work with Howard Dean to integrate the Dtrip’s efforts with the 50-state strategy? Running candidates everywhere and challenging every GOPer might come to fuller fruition in 2008 in some surprising places, given the (hard-won!) investment Dr. Dean’s made.
Depends on the top-of-the-ticket, too, where downticket races might turn on the message-popularity-gender-ethnicity of the standard-bearer.
Howie Klein @ 111
Given McNerney’s success and the changing demographics of Tauscher’s district, I really hope District 11 Democrats will look outside the “whose turn is it among our politicos” box and seek a candidate from other professions or life experiences. Are there any returning or returned veterans who’d take the Fighting Dem message to Tauscher in a primary?
Howie Klein @ 118
Aren’t they the Unity08 DreamTeam?
TeddySanFran @ 127
That’s the kind of stuff I hope to find out when I meet with him. Please, anyone with suggestions, send them to me. I have a feeling that even if Van Hollen isn’t perfect he’s going to be a LOT better thane Emanuel. I really hope we’ll be able to work with him. There are a lot of good people at the DCCC, believe it or not.
sorry if this was posted b4:
Some Lawmakers Will Be Missed on Hill
-via huffpo
Howie, you have every right to air our DCCC grievances directly with Van Hollen and ask him how he proposes to do better than Rahm. The alliance between the Ins (them) and the Outs (us) is entirely up to him to make whole.
Howie sez:
TSF sez:
I really hope he’ll be able to work with us!
TeddySanFran @ 93
Here’s an example of the “brilliance” of RE and the DCCC. The day before the election, one of my sisters, who is, like most Americans, a Low-Information Voter, and who lives in the Chicago district right next door to Duckworth’s, had no idea she was 1) an Iraq vet or 2) lost two limbs in the war.
What she did know was that her husband looked forward to voting against Duckworth because she “wants to give Social Security to illegal immigrants.”
P.S. I love my sister. And I filled her in on the 411.
twolf1 @
131
From the article:
Slight error there, NYT: Allen didn’t describe a Webb staffer of Indian descent as “macaca.” Allen called a Webb volunteer of Indian descent “macaca” to his face.
Cujo359 @ 119
Howie, I know you’ve been busy since the election but have you touched base with any of the ‘06 Blue America “all stars” since?
I know we talked here with John Laesch, but I’m thinking Doc Wulsin, Angie Paccione or others. Where do they stand for the next election cycle?
What, if anything will Blue America do differently?
TeddySanFran @ 135
Actually, TSF, it’s AP, not NYTimes.
Though Clark has said a lot of sensible things, he turned me off with some bombastic war strategizing speech re:Iraq. I’m sure it can be found in the tubes. It was very war-mongerous. He sounded dangerous. Almost like Dubya, but coherent.
Wes Clark and his mil. cred does has voter appeal in these times. He’d be a good VP candidate for Edwards.
Clark’s a little scary to me as a president. (But look who we’ve got now!)
Welcome back, Howie. I have a comment about the 55% measurement. In IA-4, Selden Spencer lost to Tom Latham, who got 57%. Spencer had no money and no help from the DCCC. His campaign staff was young, inexperienced and not uniformly good. I think it’s not a fair comparison to a race where the DCCC dumped in lots of money and the GOP incumbent won by the same percentage.
Spencer is thinking about running again, last I heard.
I talked with a lot of them on the phone and most of them by e-mail. A lot of them want to run again. As for what we’ll do differently, I hope that comes out of our discussions here. We’re supposed to all think aboiut whether we want to donate to challengers only again or also help endangered incumbents this time. (for example).
Biodun @
121
Not only possible but highly probable. They and their phony images are products of corporate packaging.
OT – To anyone who enjoyed the last thread. Crazy Horse had an interesting comment on German media reaction to Saddams departure.
OT with apologies if this is old news:
Net neutrality safe (for now):
http://www.rawstory.com/showou…..-a_section
On one condition – we don’t call it a “Ballmer score”. Let’s just say Ballmer’s name always starts alarm bells ringing in my head, and leave it at that.
What’s wrong with a “Klein Score”? I trust Howie’s vetting process a lot, and if he misses a question about a candidate that I have, I can usually call the candidate’s campaign office if it’s a burning question.
Howie… an example…. AZ has been infiltrated with DLC types including the Great Gov… who Chooses who runs in races so we never get to a primary. There is arm twisting and intimidation so that any candidate who wants to run and is NOT one of the hand picked group…. looses their funding and any help from the party. They get excluded from any of the coordinated campaign phone banks and media events.
Harry Mitchell won because the AZ voters were tired of JD, he told the grassroot groups to bugger off, that he did not need us.
I may get the crap knocked out of me when I get back home but I am sick and tired of hearing at the state and county party level… we cant do that because the Gov wont let us.
She got 65% of the vote but did not campaign for any of the other down races. We had some really great candidates running for Sec of state & Treasurer who did NOT win.
Progressive supported candidates such as Herb Paine running against Shadogg in CD-03 lost in the 40%’s in a 60% ReThug district with NO media, only door to door. That is a good showing.
I am hoping that in 08 the Gov gets offered a Fed position and we can try to take our state back!
Ah. I vote for “Klein Score.” Succinct, and gives me a mental index that I’d find useful.
Very fitting.
Wow, there’s a brainstorm going on here! I love the DWT/FDL synergy.
BTW: Howie, if you have any info on Larry Grant in ID and Peter Goldmark in WA, I’m still grieving their losses, while grateful they ran.
Grant worked for Micron; Goldmark is a rancher and molecular biologist (and former university regent). Their expertise would have been invaluable in committee discussions and staffing decisions.
So looking outside of the usual party elected structure gets my huge, vast support.
Lindy @ 145
I could go for that, although “Klein Quotient” is more alliterative…
Why wouldn’t Blue America support quality progressive incumbents?
Money?
Not our (may I say our?) purpose?
Am I missing something?
Here’s another coupla pennies from the Left Coast:
1. Let’s not support new incumbents who ran right into the arms of the New Democratic Corporatist Sellouts (I’m looking at you, Congresswoman-elect Gillibrand; there’s others, right, Howie?). If they’ve found new love from the DLC and its warchest-providers, they certainly don’t need the support we eke outta our paychecks & disability checks. If these ‘critters are endangered, there’s plenty of help from their new friends.
2. Let’s encourage Van Hollen to be our ally, by identifying his staffers who’ll liaise with us and our candidates when we find them.
3. Let’s pick one GOP leader — and pray he’s unindicted come 2008!! — as a target. Let’s find a progressive, or even a Schuler, and make that candidate ours. Make a marquee race by taking the fight to the GOP, in one place, where the press might cover our ascendancy, as a sidebar to the Big Ticket in 2008.
okay, it’s three cents.
readerOfTeaLeaves @ 149
I’m hoping they both run again. I think it was pretty close in both districts and now the voters know them. And both Repugs are disliked and somewhat insane– in a fanatic kind of way.
Seems to me the most daunting element of the House campaign business is that the candidates have to raise money for every 2-year cycle. In the past, this was not so much an issue as now, when the cost is so incredibly high, particularly when the first race is against incumbancy.
Upthread was a suggestion about retiring campaign debt. Blue America was so successful raising money. What about picking candidates who did well but did not win and still have debt and try some roots money-raising just for this purpose?
Maybe we take care of our own (who already have begun to build the name ID and voter cred, etc.), ID some of the givers that are here for the long haul and have the bucks, while reinforcing the good work that was done last cycle, etc?
TeddySanFran @ 152
I’ve invited Gillibrand back for a talk so we can ask her about that. She hasn’t sold out yet and I have some good feelings about her. We’ll have to see when we talk with her and as his record unfolds.
bg @ 154
Would you like to try it with one candidate? We could all pick someone and make sure he or she plans to run again and then help them with their debt. Who?
Howie Klein @ 141
Since this is still a fairly low-budget operation, I’d say more bang for the buck (to borrow a phrase) is what to aim for. “More bang” can mean “more progressive”, too. I don’t have a problem with supporting truly progressive incumbents if they’re in trouble and the kind of money Blue America can raise will be helpful. In fact, part of achieving a progressive majority will be keeping the progressives who are already there. Eventually, supporting incumbents will be necessary.
Teddy, I’m talking up Blue America everywhere I go. I’m hoping we can effectively help more than just one or two.
I hope you will reserve some of your ire for aonther traitor, Barbara Boxer, who helped throw Ned Lamont under the bus. She is as evil as Tauscher, she just pretties herself up in nicer lies than Tauscher.
Would you like to try it with one candidate? We could all pick someone and make sure he or she plans to run again and then help them with their debt. Who?
I don’t have a candidate, but I know there are some out there. You know them.
katymine, I feel your pain. Our re-elected Senator received more votes than anyone in the country on 11/7/06, yet lent little to either the governor’s race or House races where she could have made a big difference. I lay Charlie Brown’s defeat directly at her doorstep.
Congressional District 4 Votes Percent
Charlie Brown, DEM 126,999 45.9%
John T. Doolittle, REP 135,818 49.1%
Dan Warren, LIB 14,076 5.0%
If anyone has results by congressional district (or knows exactly which counties are in CA-4) I’d appreciate knowing, as the SecState pubishes Senate results by county but not by CD.
Angie Paccione? Robert Rodriguez? David Roth?
Howie Klein @ 156
I’ve already given money to Larry Kissell to help with his debt. He’s running against Robin Hayes in 2008.
new thread, free fitz
Ron Paul w/ Kucinich, is trying to get the funding cut off for Iraq. He often seems out of another century but he is not corrupt nor a lobbyists’ tool. He may be a throwback but he is not a fool. He voted against the war an has opposed much of bush’s agenda.
I like all of those suggestions. I think it would be good to find out what some of the debts are, try to set goals with the BluAm folks–then parse out what it would take for us to retire the debts, like they do fund raising on public radio. (Just $10 from every listener, subscriber, etc. makes it seem easy and possible.)
I think it would really demonstrate our thanks to the candidates for taking our cause, and it would give even more cred to the BluAm movement.
Has the DCCC ever done anything like it? I bet not. The publicity and good heartedness of the thing would be good for us/you.
On your human scum list, you have the always-lovely Steve King IA-5. It would be nice to make him sweat, but the district is 39.5% R, 24.59%D, 35.9% NP. It is an extremely conservative Bible Belt sort of district, drawn in a way that pretty much assures an R win. To go after him, you’d have to run another Republican, or a pro-life gun-loving independent.
Howie Klein @ 162
Paccione and Roth were both impressive. I don’t remember Rodriquez. Isn’t Roth likely to run in a special election?
Al Wynn sucks!I hope Donna Edwards kicks his ass in the next primary.JMO
TeddySanFran @ 163
Yeah, Larry’s a good idea. I also think the DCCC has FINALLY started being helpful to him financially
Cujo359 @ 168
Special Election?? How so?
TeddySanFran @ 161
Try this
DMM @ 169
I’m in with Donna again. She will run, right?
TeddySanFran @ 173
That’s what I’m hearing
Thanks Howie. For all you have done and are doing.
bg @ 175
Hear,hear, bg. Howie, your passionate stewardship of DWT is very inspiring and actually effective! Imagine that. When are you going to take over some longer reins?
Howie Klein @ 171
That’s just one of those nagging, back of my mind thoughts I really don’t know the origin of. Seems like I remember Roth running against an incumbent who might be indicted soon. Wasn’t he running against Doolittle?
Sorry I’m rambling, but I was hoping someone could pick up the thread and fill in the details, or else remind me of whom I’m really thinking …
Mommybrain @ 176
I love what I’m doing with Jane and Christy and everyone here at FDL. There’s nothing else I want to do. Except eat lunch.
TeddySanFran @ 161
Teddy, results right here
Make sure to check out Nevada County where Charlie won big and where FDLer Donna lives and did a lot of work for the campaign
Howie Klein @ 162
I like Angie and she came so close! What is your thought on Vic Wulsin?
How did Charlie do in Placer County? I think we ran most of our ads there
Jacqrat @ 180
I love Vic. I’m not sure if she’ll run again. Maybe Hackett will.
Howie Klein @
181
Placer County
Only 3,000 less than the ConMan, which is really great considering that that’s where his strongest support is – yuppie Republican drone transplants from SoCal and the Bay Area
Thanks for the links, john and Susan. What I am trying to find, though, is USSenate results by Congressional District. The SecState’s webpage shows results by county, but there are split counties in CA-4. My goal is to find out how many Feinstein voters in Doolittle’s district voted for him and not Charlie — how short her coattails were in the Congressional District.
TeddySanFran @
184
Mmm, don’t know.
Well, gotta run
Happy New Year, All
Well, you did, and thank you, Howie. You were speaking up about Bono back in May. David Roth did make tremendous headway for Democrats here, which made it all the more crushing when we weren’t at least 45-55. But the usual spread was 2 to 1, and we narrowed it to 3 to 2.
Bono ultimately outspent Roth 4 to 1 (if what I read was accurate). She kept her mouth shut, avoided Roth as much as possible, and flooded local tv with ads in the last two weeks. We were barely on the air, we just didn’t have the bucks. But the DCCC did send us a lovely cake from The Cheesecake Factory on election night.
Had I been a bolder volunteer earlier on, David would have been at Yearly Kos with me (whatever the schedule conflicts), and been engaging the blogosphere directly much much earlier.
Thank you all for a brilliant Blue America campaign.
I don’t know yet if Roth will run in 08. His wonderful father, Richard, hopes he will, and so do I. Send your warmest thoughts to Richard Roth, as he just broke a hip.
I think Edwards is great but I just don’t know what has changed since 2004 except that he is two years older. The more I think about the Dems in 2008, the more I think the nomination is Al Gore’s to lose: he was robbed in 2000, has been consistently right on Iraq (unlike Hillary), and will not have a problem with either cash or name recognition… I wrote a story on this at http://www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com
I can’t wait for Hillary to become president. She is so boss. Once she’s elected all our problems will be gone.I would love to see Obama as vice president. If he wins I will tell everyone how I voted for him so no one will think that I’m a racist. The democrats will save the day. They will end poverty by taking money away from the evil middle class and giving it to the poor of the land.I have aways admired people who take money from one group and give it to another. I’m sure Hillary will be glad to give other people’s money away for a good cause but we must insist that she not give her own money away. She really needs it. besides, it wouldn’t be fair for her to suffer for the poor.Only the middle class. Diversity is our strength. We must insist that all people live together unless your rich of course.Diversity is not a good thing for the rich. this is why they always live in pure white neighborhoods. To ask them to share in diversity would be wrong.
Howie, good to have you back in the country.
I’m keeping my bumper stickers on my cars and keeping track of Doolittle’s record in congress and the district. He said he’d learned his lesson, but somehow I doubt it. Check his FEC filings, his legal bills keep growing.
Howie Klein @ 130
I would stress:
1. Ditto on don’t screw over progressive candidates in the primaries the way Rahm supported Duckworth.
2. Work with, rather than separately from Dean.
3. Encourage unopposed Dems to fund raise and actively support other Dems, and do it early.
4. Pay more attention to voters, rather than the DC-based consultants that are systematically destroying the party.
McNerney’s victory over Pombo is huge on many levels. It’s important to me that we replaced one of the worst right-wing hacks in Congress with a genuine Democrat. The grassroots/netroots needs to continue to support Jerry. If freshmen Repubs are vulnerable, so too, are our Democratic freshmen.