
(Photo by Mary Ellen Mark. Read the accompanying text with the heartbreaking photos here, please. And have a glimpse of one tiny sliver of poverty in America. And then, take a moment to imagine being this little girl, with this family, and all of its attendant problems — none of which she asked for in any way by simply being born – and then think about just how many other children are living this life in America this morning.)
John Edwards entered the race (video of the announcement at this link) for the Presidency yesterday, in an announcement made from New Orleans lower ninth ward, with a discussion of poverty and citizen action on the issues involved as the centerpiece of his announcement. And I, for one, could not be happier that he chose to push those issues to the forefront of American political discussion — because it is past time that we all started having the necessary conversations on these issues.
The WSJ, of all places, had a profile of Edwards' message and work on poverty that highlighted well his call to action and the "two Americas" that he spoke about so eloquently in the last Presidential campaign cycle and, on which, he has been working since 2004:
Those cheering on Mr. Edwards's antipoverty crusade include party strategist Donna Brazile, who was Al Gore's campaign manager in his 2000 presidency bid. Recalling Mr. Edwards's past emphasis on the "Two Americas" theme, she says: "In 2004, that message went largely unheard. To his credit, he kept at it. And Katrina demonstrated the validity of that message."
Ms. Brazile is admittedly biased toward the message if not the messenger. (She says she will remain neutral in the Democrats' 2008 contest.) A native of New Orleans, she visited her father in the city this week for the holidays. Seven siblings and her extended family were among those displaced to other parts of Louisiana and seven other states, and like tens of thousands, they continue to struggle 16 months after Katrina to rebuild lives, careers and wrecked houses, she says.
Mr. Edwards plans to officially announce his 2008 candidacy to reporters today during a break on reconstruction work in the Lower Ninth Ward, New Orleans's most impoverished and hard-hit neighborhood. He is there with college volunteers he has mobilized. Earlier this year, Mr. Edwards labored in nearby St. Bernard Parish with nearly 700 student supporters who were on spring break from colleges in 27 states.
Yet as Mr. Edwards has suggested in speeches, his antipoverty theme is broader than helping Katrina's victims. He speaks of "the forgotten middle class" and of workers generally, who have seen their wages stagnate and benefits erode.
One of the things that has infuriated me most since the Reagan era transformed political discourse in this nation into sound bites and PR manipulations is the need that conservatives have to demonize and dismiss America's poor as if they were all a bunch of lazy bums who never lifted a finger in their lives. That kind of idiotic misunderstanding of the lives of most folks who live below the poverty line in America can only come from folks who haven't ever really been poor — or known anyone who was, other than the folks who work for them about whose lives they never bother to inquire.
The decided lack of empathy or real understanding is further complicated by liberal politicians who are so busy running over to join the "beat on the poor" fray, because there is some sort of concensus that formed at some point that big money donors don't want to hear about a topic this depressing anyway. Or that "voters" don't want to be talked to as if they were adults — but merely want to hear happy news all the time.
But they could not be more wrong.
Here's a thought for all the "look the other way" politicians and political operatives: the violent crime rate is rising in America again, and Katrina should have been a big ole warning shot across the policy bow for all of you that failing to address issues of poverty creates a whole host of problems for local, state and federal officials alike — and for the nation as a whole.
You think you can hide out in your happy little gated community and that the messy issues of poverty and despair won't touch your pristine lives? Think again.
Poor children attend schools in your neighborhood. They clog your court system as abused and neglected children, then as juveniles, and on into adulthood, and then back again as parents who failed to learn how to adequately care for their children because they had no examples in their own lives of how things might be done in a better way. Your tax dollars pay for all of this. You think it is cheaper to keep warehousing adult criminals instead of dealing with the root problem when children are young? Nope. Do we change how we do things — make things more efficient and put the effort into the early stage of life where it would allow us to really reap a cost-effective and lifetime benefit for an at-risk child? Nope.
And you think that real people living in America outside the realm of gated McMansions don't have a very clear understanding of the impact of poverty and despair and racial tension and all of the other associated issues that surround poverty in this country? Think again.
The common wisdom is that poor folks and children do not vote. And that the rest of the country does not care enough about them to vote their interests. Well, I am here to tell you this morning that THEIR interests ought to be ALL of our interests. Because their costs to society fall on every single person who pays taxes — and, honestly, as much as folks on the right bitch about taxes, shouldn't they be the least bit interested in maximizing the returns on the money they do pay in — and reducing the overall needs and despair in order to reduce long term costs ought to be something everyone could get behind.
You'd think so, anyway, wouldn't you.
I attended a symposium on poverty, inequality, race and the media sponsored by the Eisenhower Foundation on December 12th. It was an amazing discussion, one that brought out some difficult but necessary points about the way these issues have been covered in the media over the last forty-odd years since the Kerner Commission report.
And the decisions made in newsrooms on this sort of coverage mirror, in large and small ways, the way that politicians also deal with these issues. In many ways, for both corporate-owned media and politicians, dealing with poverty is a question of marketing: on both sides of the coin, the folks making the decisions think that "poverty" doesn't sell well, and so it gets swept to the side.
In print media, the stories get shoved to a single column on page A17. Television media covers them with decreasing frequency, sandwiched between infotainment bits on Britney Spears' panties, or lack thereof, and the latest celebrity DUI arrest photo. Folks in politics equally don't want to talk publicly about these issues with much frequency, because they feel that it doesn't make for much good news footage — it's not soundbite friendly and, in any case, newsrooms don't want to cover these issues anyway because advertisers don't think "poverty" and "product sales" go well together.
I will talk more about the symposium in a subsequent post later this morning, but I wanted to touch on something from my remarks there that, I think, illustrates just how much can be involved in the issues surrounding poverty — and why it is essential that we look at the whole of the problem, not just tiny little pieces of it.
I spent my professional life working with at risk children in abusive and neglectful homes, or who had violent tendencies that grew out of any number of problems — home life, sexual abuse, mental issues stemming from drug or alcohol use while the child was in the womb, you name it — that landed them in the juvenile system. The issues involved could be overwhelming at times, and included, but were not limited to the following (from my speech to the group):
And in an abuse and neglect case, I would see the following pretty frequently:
– Mental health issues that had gone untreated for years
– Parenting skills counseling
– Drug and alcohol rehab
– Anger management counseling
– Sex abuse therapy – individual and group, for both the perpetrator and the survivor
– Foster care
– Medical intervention
– Criminal charges
– Job training needs
– Government benefits sign-up
– Medical cards for kids who had never had adequate care
– Budgeting skills classes
– Life skills classes (including things like why you should clean your house, why bathing is important, hygiene basics, etc.)
– Intervention services to assist the mentally challenged parents and children
– Medicare benefits problems
– Disability and Workers Comp benefits problems
– Social worker rotation through long-term cases because social workers are paid next to nothing to do one of the hardest jobs on the planet.
– Cuts in education benefits for Head Start and valuable early intervention programs like Birth to Three.
– Lack of prenatal care and awareness.
– Even more drug and alcohol rehab.
– Prison time for one or more parents.And on and on.
That does not even touch on folks living below the poverty line who were never in trouble with the law. Folks who are working two and three jobs, trying to raise their families with no childcare assistance and little to no safety net. Folks for whom an illness could mean financial catastrophe for the whole family. Folks living one paycheck away from homelessness.
Take a look again at the WSJ piece on the Edwards' announcement, and look at the accompanying graphic on the rateof poverty and the costs of healthcare, just as one comparison point. See how the graphs dip downward toward the year 2000, and then ratchet back up again throughout the Bush years in office? Think that's a coincidence? Me, neither.
That it has taken a Presidential candidate standing up and talking about this issue to get it back on the front pages of newspapers — at least for the day yesterday — is unconscionable. But at least people are talking about it again, and for that I applaud John Edwards for sticking to a topic that all of us need to be talking about much more frequently. More on why that is in the next segment…
Related posts:
- Health Care and Poverty: We are Failing Our Most Vulnerable
- Participation in School Meal Programs to Reach 41-Year High
- Sesame Street: Tackling Tough Economic Times Together
- The Other Reason Why Single Payer Health Care Should be on the Table
- Following in Buck O’Neil’s Presidential Medal of Freedom Footsteps





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Fitz!
Edwards!
Fabulous post Christy. Also Paul Krugman had a great piece on this in the NYTimes a couple of days ago, noting how the British under Blair have actually set about to make concrete changes in this regard – and have seen notable success. I wonder how much of a difference it makes here that MSM is all corporate owned. Much of the wealth (and poverty) is being reshaped through corporate decisions – people having to work 3 jobs, people without health care etc.
Well said, Christy.
CHS,
Gotcher dander up this mornin’! Excellent piece.
The fact is most poor folks work harder than the elite. The elite must find some way to label the poor as ‘other’ so as to ease their consciences and justify their exploitation.
Here are two Edwards links.
http://johnedwards.com/
http://blog.johnedwards.com/onecorps
I think Edwards is the strongest progressive voice in the field and I can’t wait to see him engage Hillary and Obama on these issues.
‘morning, Redd – I’m liking Edwards… I think not being at the top of the heap is going to help him have more time to get the message out before he has to start defending himself from the attacks…
Great post, Christy. This is a critical issue that must be addressed in the months and years ahead.
Edwards has much to offer this country-I supported his candidacy in 2004. I fear, though, that Donna Brazile will be the kiss of death if she ends up involved in his campaign.
damn !! only time for one quick read before work – Have an FDL Day y’all
I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil.
Robert Kennedy
Christy is on C-Span right now!
Awesome job!
It’s like preparing for a hurricane. Too many Americans are ignoring their own false wealth and standard of living because of the lies and deceit of credit card debt and consumerism.
A lot of us are closer to poverty than we realize. John Edwards is addressing that.
Kentucky Woman @ 9
CSPAN-2 here
Oh my — they are replaying the Eisenhower Foundation symposium again? I’m glad it’s getting a lot of play as a discussion — but it’s weird thinking that folks are seeing me on tv again today. (eeep.)
Finish high school.
Don’t have kids before your married.
And, don’t get married before you are 25.
Do these things and there is virtually no chance that you will ever live in poverty in this country.
That’s a fact whether you’re white or black.
Edwards most certainly has my attention, and I am hopeful and eager to see him build his anti-poverty message into practical policy proposals. Hey, you assholes over there on the right, this is what we call “ideas.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 12
I missed it the first time…so I feel blessed that I get to see it today! I hope I haven’t missed the whole thing!
You need to run for office, ma’am.
John Hammer @ 13
and don’t ever have a catastrophic illness that lands you in the hospital for more than one day.
John Hammer @ 13
Uh-huh. And of course, decreasing real wages and job security in favor of corporate pocket-lining has nothing to do with it. The usury–oh, excuse me, credit–industry has nothing to do with it. A ten-year freeze in a sub-poverty level minimum wage has nothing to do with it. Tell us another one.
lina @ 16
Thanks, lina. I forgot about that one.
“Why We Need More Troops in Iraq
By Joseph Lieberman
Friday, December 29, 2006; Page A27″
I despise that man almost as much as George W. Bush.
I like Edwards’ domestic agenda. I’m not sure I can forgive him for his IWR vote. I’d rather see him Sec. of HHS or AG in a Wesley Clark administration.
OTOH, Wesley Clark would be a good choice for Sec. of State in an Edwards administration.
mc @ 19
They seem to try hard to be as interchangeable as possible…
“Everybody does better when everybody does better”
I’m not positive but I think Jim Hightower said that. Sounds like just plain old common sense to me.
Um, excuse me? Christmas was last week. You can only talk about poverty in America right before Christmas. The week AFTER Christmas is supposed to be for wacky reminiscences about the past year!
Get with the program! What did Paris Hilton wear in 2006, that’s what we want to know!
(Ouch, I cramped my sarcasm! Great post.)
Just to be clear, I’m not endorsing an Edwards’ candidacy here this morning. I’m still looking into all of the potential candidates and haven’t yet made up my mind where my heart is going to land support-wise. But in 2004, Edwards’ was my early choice — I like him, and love that he’s talking about issues that truly need to be discussed much more deeply in the public sphere. But the campaign landscape is very different this campaign than in 2004 in terms of foreign policy concerns as well as domestic ones, and a re-evaluation of all the candidates from a fresh perspective is going to take me a while.
lina @ 20
I might not forgive, but I can forget. After all, Edwards didn’t have access to the same intelligence Bush did (no oxymoron intended)…no matter what Bush says.
And I like his domestic agenda too. After six years and running of NO domestic agenda under Bush, anything would be an improvement, but Edwards is offering an ambitious concept that cuts to the quick of the problem.
Either way, it’s fine with me.
John Hammer:
Don’t have kids before your married.
And learn to use proper grammar.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
I understand, and I think it’s prudent not to endorse yet. However, Edwards has something to say, and that’s more than I can see in the frontrunner the GOP is so desperate to foist off on us.
John Hammer @ 13
Ah, another classic brought to you by “confusing correlation with causation”!
Even if those facts are true differences between those in poverty and those not (which I’m not willing to grant without a source), that does not demonstrate that they cause people to be poor, or escape it.
In the graph in the WSJ piece, why did the rate of ununsured households suddenly drop in 1999, before continuing its rise?
EvilDrPuma @
27
Over at HuffPo, Harry Shearer has an important admonition against Edwards using NO as an, “I told you so,” event without actually addressing the egregious wrongs (crimes) that were committed there. I think his point if more than valid.
Redshift @ 28
In other words, “Post hoc ergo propter hoc, much?”
John Hammer– so many people live in poverty in this country without any of the 3 causes you cite.
How I wish that it was just that “simple”.
I can promise you that there is absolutely no guarantee that what you say is universally true:
sorry to vehemently dispute your theory.
johnSwifty @ 30
The man just announced his candidacy, for the love of God. Give him a chance to actually develop his theme before you jump on what it doesn’t say.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
I agree; I’m certainly not making up my mind yet, but I watched his announcement and I like what I heard.
Was it Swopa who wrote about how we should ignore frontrunners and electability and policy positions and who the media anoints, and look for someone (like Dean) who inspires us? Edwards is making a good shot at being that person.
Christy.
Thank you for yet another winner.
As usual, it demands a long slow, thoughtful read, and then a reread.
You are a special gift to this world. ;->
If you don’t want to be poor, make sure you have rich parents. It’s as simple as that ;)
hi angie. are you back at your own toobz or still fighting with relatives for toob time?
OT – WH: bin Laden Capture “A Success That Hasn’t Occured Yet”
John Hammer @ 13
Unless you or your kids get sick and your employer has no health coverage and you have to declare bankrupcy to pay the hospital bills. Yes, and there are a couple dozen other ways that poverty knocks even on the doors of relatively well-educated and thoughtful people. Ever heard of Katrina? Or, how about our soldiers coming back maimed mentally and physically. How will their families cope financially?
evildrpuma at 25:
I don’t buy the “didn’t have access to the same intel” argument from the Dems that caved on Iraq.
Bob Graham of FL, chairman of the Sen. Intel committee, voted No on the IWR. He’d been looking at that intel since ‘91. Had I been Edwards (or any Dem Senator in Oct. 2002) I would have consulted Graham before that vote.
Edwards jumped on the 9/11 hysteria bandwagon with all the rest of them and abdicated his constitutional responsibility as a member of Congress.
Now he says he was wrong and is very sorry. Fine. But don’t ask me to trust your judgment again.
Richmond @ 38
or National Guard being sent to Iraq who have private industry jobs that pay the bills.
“TOWNSEND: Well, I’m not sure — it’s a success that hasn’t occurred yet. I don’t know that I view that as a failure”
Actually, Fran, it is a failure that has occurred.
twolf1 @ 37
At least they’re keeping us entertained while they bring us to tears.
EvilDrPuma @ 33
Well he chose NO for drama and (I hope) to bring attention to the continuing plight there. To not lead with what Shearer considers to be the most important “truth” about the failures in NO, is to capitalize and take advantage of those who suffer there without necessarily calling out those responsible for those atrocities. It’s politics, sure; but I think Harry’s point is that he wants better than politics as usual from the Left — and I think he is correct in asserting that NO deserves more than lip service.
I like Edwards. I would love to see him blossom into a man of conviction, principle and become a true proponent for change and healing in this country; but, to do that, he is going to have to listen to people like Shearer who want substance over photo ops. That approach will not be tolerated, regardless of where it falls in the chronology of a candidate’s presidential campaign.
Reporters should be fanning out across Connecticut today, asking all those people who voted for Lieberman: “Is this what you voted for?”
mc @ 41
(Sung to the tune of Handel’s “Messiah:”)
Tora Bora!
Tora Bora!
Tora Bora! Tora Bora!
Toraaaaaa Boraaaaa!
And while I’m foaming at the mouth, here’s Joe’s bio from WaPo: “The writer is an Independent Democratic senator from Connecticut.” No, he isn’t. He was kicked to the curb but the Democrats in the primary this year. He should be identified as the “Connecticut for Lieberman senator from Connecticut.”
lina at 39 — To be fair, Graham, as the chair of the Intel committee would have been briefed as one of the elite Gang of Eight on a much higher level of intel than that which most legislators would have been briefed. There is a great deal of intel that never gets distributed to the regular Senators and House members because of the level of national security clearnace required to hear it — only the Intel committee leaders and the folks in leadership often hear this information. And they are restricted from being able to discuss that information for the same reasons.
So it is unfair to attribute the access to the same knowledge that Graham had to other elected officials who would not have had access to some of that information. There are reasons — and very good ones — that a lot of that information is not shared widely to members of Congress. And the Bush Administration has used those restrictions very handily in order to skew the process for the last few years, with the help of the GOP chairs of the Intel committees holding almost no oversight hearings within the public purview, even where this was not only possible but in the public interest to ask these questions.
Sorry, I forgot one thing. After you hit 25, do not have children out of wedlock.
U.S. Census data supports all of this.
John Hammer @ 48
That’s good. It saves you the trouble of making sense.
OT with apologies:
a propos of the global warming thread of yesterday, ya might want to be cautious signing up for that Arctic cruise in the future, OR counting on smooth sailing for ocean-going oil tankers up that-a-ways…
heck-of-a-job that bubbleboy’s doin! maybe he thinks a little superglue will fix it, after he’s long gone, a-course…. %&##!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._ice_break
Great post, Christy. And thanks for clarifying that you’re not endorsing Edwards at this point. He’s got a good platform, but as the following from today’s Salon makes clear, it’s similar to Gore’s:
IMO, the race for Democratic nomination looks like:
Clinton
Obama
Edwards
And not necessarily in that order. If Gore decides to run, he’ll be a strong candidate. He’s further to the left since 2000, and he’s angry as hell against Bush. He’s also unequivocably opposed to the Iraq War.
mc @ 19
More
Bush is a sociopath. It is possible that he is not actually unable to determine right from wrong.
Lieberman is a cynical, manipulative, self-righteous SOB who has virtually defines everything despicable in American politics.
I think John Edwards is demonstrating to me what leadership is all about. He’s taking on a issue that he’s deeply concerned about. I doubt taht is based on some focus group data.
One of the concerns that I had about him in 2004 was his lack of demonstrated leadership on issues/policies. This goes a long towards changing that concern.
Did he address the goverment’s failure in the aftermath of Katrina in his announcement? No he didn’t. I think the focus of his message about poverty demonstrates the goverment’s failure on a much broader scale.
Christy, Thank you for this wonderful post. Yes, it’s been great to see Edwards speak out on poverty. I hope he will be able to keep it up, given the campaign pressures.
Sometimes I flash back to RFK, and sadly conclude what different times those were, in terms of the poverty issue …
I sure do hope that’s true. It’s been hard to see the demonization of the poor in recent years… not only by the right wing.
Thank you, Christy for caring as much as you do, in your previous as well as current work.
John Hammer @
13
You’ll get 2 out of 3 right off the bat if you’re gay. Does that mean homosexuality is the cure for poverty?
this topic makes me sooooo angry – those who are well-paid cant understand whu the minimum wage must be raised. and even raising it will not eliminate poverty b/c rents are so high, especially in urban areas!! imagine people who make over 6 figure salaries telling me i dont NEED a raise but they have nooo problem accepting huge bonuses on the backs of low -wage laborers. grrrrrr and dont EVEN mention health care if u can get it. i tell u its so damn disgusting it makes me rage…….
All well and good that Edwards is speaking up for the poor. But that’s practically a given for any democratic candidate.
I got a campaign email from him a few days ago…about 10 paragraphs long, with all the de riguer blahblah about “change” and “progress”, and addressing our “problems”;
but guess which problem wasn’t mentioned, either directly, or obliquely?
That’s right; that little 4 letter word that begins with “I” and ends with “Q” was as missing from Edwards’ assessment of our problems, as if the panhandle had come from some republican candidate whom had pimped the war gin-up like he was running a string of D.C. hookers.
I fired back:
“Dear John, I was astounded to see that you evidently don’t consider the bloody mesopotamian soap-opera which george bush has created in Iraq (with some enabling help from democrats like you…) to be one of the problems facing us.
At this point, nearly 3,000 americans are dead, along with (conservatively) a couple of hundred thousand Iraqis who had jack-shit to do with 9-11, and were no threat to us, or to our troops, until george bush mounted his snakeoil-and-bullshit based invasion. About 75-100 of our troops are dying each month, along with roughly 3,000 Iraqis, as a direct result of the invasion and attempt to try to occupy Iraq.
It is also costing us about $2.5 billion dollars a week.
NO ONE has ANY idea of how to end this, period…much less in a way that will be beneficial to us, or the Iraqis, or to the region and world.
I submit to you that this is a problem, and one which is eminently worthy of being mentioned in the campaign literature of anyone who hopes to become the next president of the United States.
Since you seem not to share that view, may I ask if you’ve been studying at the Hillary Clinton College of Triangulation and Leadership?
Yours in faithbased invasions. (And taking the responsibility for them…)
A voter in the South Carolina democratic primary.
Just a reminder. I believe it was Connie in the last thread who pointed out the Joe Lieberman op-ed on Iraq in the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01055.html
It is a stunning example of fuzzy headed thinking delivered in mealymouthed prose. It is very much the same old Joe giving what cover he can for his heart throb Bush. That must have been some kiss to have garnered this level of sycophancy.
John Hammer @ 48
Your post hoc silliness has already been addressed in #28 and #31.
BTW, I had a child out of wedlock when I was 37. Am I a bad person who deserves to live in poverty?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
I’m with you Christy.
Not especially enamored with Edwards, actually.
But I could vote for Edwards over any of the other front-runners.
And there is a pragmatism about his compassion which could well resonate into the independent relm.
EvilDrPuma @ 49
that’s what you’d expect from a quick read thru “How To Lie With Statistics 101″ – clipftnotes-sow-nbyte-version
John Hammer @13
Considering that half of all women marry before age 25, and that this has risen substantially while poverty has grown, the problem is lack of support for young marriages, not the marriages themselves.
Also, older first marriage is probably an indicator of college education.
BTW – I think untreated mental illness is a far greater culprit in “social ills” than is acknowledged by the people who want to blame poverty on the poor. Blaming divorce for poor outcomes for children ignores the fact that depression, anxiety, et al., are both likely to be causes for divorce AND be passed along genetically to children.
John Hammer @
13
But you can still be a member of the working poor, sure the demos are for a min wage hike, but they never mention LIVING WAGE
I like edwards, and its not just because hes for the card check and actually recognizes that class war exists and will admit it(in his own vernacular), but because hes ELECTABLE, during the last election cycle i’d hear pro-bush republicans they liked edwards MORE than bush as a person, and thats how alot of them voted
my only problem with him is he comes off as a rich white guy- sure he came from a poorer family, but when youre talking about getting your hands dirty dont do it in a $50 shirt
I think Harry makes a good point, but its an ABSTRACT point, povery people see, you have to really go out and explain how the top 5% are 99% criminals who kill people on a daily basis to make money
it just doesnt talk to people as much as it used to;)
hi twolf1 :>)– I am still visiting, but fewer people are around and about and I am lucky enough to have great access. I just find it hard to tear myself away from my loved ones, so I try to catch up late at night when they are slumbering.
Edwards is my homey and I like what he says.
method # 1283 to prevent poverty – make sure your daddy becomes pres-o-dent when you are in your mid-teens.
One of the surest ways to avoid poverty is to be born rich. Ask George.
twolf1 @ 66
Hugh @ 67
no-o-o-o-o-o kidding!
ya have ta admit: this hammer-fella is a purty good catalyst…
John Hammer @ 13
Yep – You can pretty much stay above the poverty line on McWages so long as you live at home and don’t have any kids of your own.
And by the time you are 25 and have made Assistant Manager you can get married and move out. Of course kids and health problems are still a no-no.
Millineryman @
53
Yes, and perhaps it is a timing thing and this is the time for the broad brush. Perhaps it is a choice of style. If I were going to make a point about the general anathema of poverty, I would have made a stylistic choice to appear in an area that is remarkable for its poverty and nothing else–areas of Appalachia come to mind. New Orleans is fetid with other aspects of government failure and corruption and so, in my opinion, it obfuscates the direct focus on poverty. Again, a choice in style; but I do have hopes to appreciate more of Edwards’ style in the future.
I don’t see how a country can claim any moral standing(or standard)when it has citizens without access to food,clothing,shelter,a good education or healthcare. These should be birthrights,not privledges. Anything less is simply cruel,immoral,and yes,evil.
Our system of welfare is a mess too,it does not allow a person a way out by working. You earn money,even a pittance,and you lose benefits while you try to get on your feet.This is why some poor do not get out of that cycle,if they work,they are actually worse off. Bussing someone an hour away to work in a mall for minimum wage isn’t the answer either.
What angers me is that we have the means to end poverty. Just think,if the money that’s been stolen by contractors and other crooked operators in Iraq had been applied to ending poverty. By people who know what they’re doing,not paper shufflers and administrators.
Another problem is that helping the poor has become a business. Consultants,analysts,administrators etc,end up getting money set aside for programs,very little ends up directly helping the poor. The poor get their “cut”last,not first. This is wrong.
If you’ve not read Mohammad Yunus’ Banker to the Poor,I recommend it. It’s astounding how simple it could be to lift people up,but the way we in America have gone about it is backwards.
I like John Edwards,alot. He may be rather weak on foreign policy issues,but the thing is,the man is willing to LEARN and surround himself with smart people. Precisely the opposite of who we have in the White House now.
Umm, just a slight nit to pick from the post:
hic on the rateof poverty and the costs of healthcare, just as one comparison point. See how the graphs dip downward toward the year 200, and the ratchet back up again throughout the Bush years in office?
I don’t think we’ve really endured Bush from the year 200 – it just seems that way.
[Mod Note; thanks for the heads up. Refresh and it should be fixed]
so… if you’re hard-working enuf to have been born into a rich family, you can afford to “fail up”, eh?
Hugh @ 58
Holy Joe: Hey, CT voters, I alone saved the sub base and alla those jobs in Groton– the least you can do is sacrifice yer loved ones for this illegal and horrible invasion and occupation.
Consider it my pound(s) of flesh.
jayt @ 72
a much-needed 707. THANKS!
Great post, CHS, poverty should be OUR issue, and we should talk about it as much as people will listen.
Best news about Donna Brazile:
Could her neutrality extend to the general election as well? Woman’s not got a clue. And no more CNN SitRoom, either, lady!!
TeddySanFran @ 76
Yeah, I just wish we could shut her up.
I look forward to your post on the Eisenhower Foundation symposium. I’d like a copy of the event. Can I get it from CSPAN I wonder? I find their site somewhat difficult to navigate.
Since discussion was about the media’s treatment of race and poverty, I personally feel that until the stories about poverty are presented in such a way that the middle class begins to realize how precipitously so many of us are teetering on the edge of poverty ourselves, many will continue to look the other way. “It can’t happen to me.”
The disconnect between how the middle class perceives itself and how it perceives poor people is fed by corporate-induced consumerism and our politicians of the day (race and class-bating, all that jazz). Reporting needs to somehow bridge that disconnect.
It’s not the whole answer, but I think it would go a very long way towards waking up the middle class many of whom, while feeling squeezed, don’t realize they may be one medical disaster away from ending up poor themselves and thus had better start looking at them as “real” people with whom they can identify.
Let’s face it, a large majority of Americans are selfish and self-absorbed. If you appeal to people’s fear of losing what dwindling comforts and security they have, it could go a long way towards changing policy in ways that benefit both the poor and the middle class.
I think Barbara Ehrenreich has done an excellent job, also, of illustrating the hard-working spirit and determination of the working poor, in spite of often deplorable conditions. As Ms. Ehrenreich illustrates, many of these people are college-educated, some with PhD’s. The story is so much more complex than what we are typically exposed to. Perhaps intentionally so.
Why on earth can’t we get more reporting like this? Everyone but the top 1% can relate to these stories because the people in them are anything but deadbeats and losers.
John Hammer @ 13
Ride a bike or walk everywhere you can, and take a bus everywhere else, praying that it won’t break down or be late to a transfer point. (That’s assuming there’s a bus going where you need to be!)
If you have a car, hope that gas doesn’t go as high as the latest prediction for California prices next year are saying ($3-4/gallon; that’s assuming Shrub doesn’t do something majorly stupid like attacking Iran!) and that the mandatory insurance stays affordable.
Thank you for saying this.
Living here in a poor, agricultural area in a non-rich state, I see these kids every day of my life. And I will never, ever get used to it. It’s unholy what we spend on just one day in Iraq, and we have this in our own backyards. It does not have to be so.
mandrake @ 78
I personally know a Ph.D who is living in public housing after having a brilliant 20-year career. His wife divorced him, and his life fell to pieces. Yes, the story is much more complex.
An Angry Old Broad says
December 29th, 2006 at 8:42 am*
I like John Edwards,a lot. He may be rather weak on foreign policy issues,but the thing is,the man is willing to LEARN and surround himself with smart people.
I was very impressed with Edwards, as well as his wife, on the Hardball interview this week.
His anti-poverty message is a winner with a huge majority of the country, but would require an entirely new, massive GOTV effort. No way that the “Professional” consultants”, i.e. Carville, Brazile, could pull this off. Time for entirely new blood.
I could back Edwards.
I find John Hammer’s comment to be one of the most ignorant and uninformed I’ve read here at FDL.
I’ll give you one example of a person who is living in poverty that defies his assinine assumptions: my stepson.
Finish high school — check.
Don’t have kids before your married — check, so far.
Don’t get married before you are 25 — just celebrated 26th birthday as a single man.
He is trying to work part-time in one of the few businesses that has consistent job openings in this state (retail), but he is chronically living hand-to-mouth because the VA has been stiffing him for the last two terms for one made-up reason after another.
This is what joining the military to serve your country, see the world and obtain funding for school gets you in today’s environment: poverty.
We thank the powers that be that he has us as a backup system, and that he is relatively healthy except for his PTSD — or we might also be financially drained to help him.
There are thousands of military families around the country in this shape, facing worse because they don’t have family with the resources to help them, or have children (after the age of 25, mind you, and in wedlock) that require more than a military wage supports. I remember Sen. Stabenow pointing out in 2002 that the military has changed substantially over the last two decades, and that more than half of our service people are family folk; that means hundreds of thousands of affected family members on the bubble or below it, in need.
F*ck you, John Hammer. You might want to add to your list of perceived causes of poverty “don’t join the military” — for starters.
And you might also want to start a list of causes of moral bankruptcy, while you’re at it.
Christy…. Need to add a Zero to the year 2000.
Watching you now here on C-span2… voted for Edwards in the primary and saw him speak when he came to AZ to campaign for our minimum wage increase law.
Finish high school.
Don’t have kids before your married.
And, don’t get married before you are 25.
Ok if this is what you believe then…..
1. Full Fund education K-12 plus public College Education.
2. Teach Sex education early and often
3. Make abortion safe, legal and rare
OT – Saddam Hussein handed over to Iraqi custody, lawyer says
John Hammer @
13
You are wrong. I know from experience that you are wrong.
Christy, this photo could have been taken at the end of my street.
Millinery, at this point, I’m not interested in blow-dried “style”.
Now, it’s about substance.
Kucinich, could be, probably IS, UNstylish; and he could be as ugly as a hatful of assholes, but because he had the sense and the courage to speak out against the invasion, when it most mattered, and when there was at least a chance of stopping it, he deserves more consideration, admiration, and respect than “stylish” John Edwards.
Edwards, just like any other democratic candidate who voted to enable the invasion, needs to open his campaign with a film clip of himself grovelling in front of the entrance to Arlington National Cemetary while holding a press-conference in which he says, every second sentence:
“I am so totally, abjectly, sorry for what I helped create.”
Ronald Reagan used to say when he pimped for General Electric: “At General Electric, progressive is our most important product”. Naturally Reagan was wrong as he was in most things. Dead wrong. Our most important product is our children.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
I’m saying I don’t understand why Edwards, Clinton, Biden, Kerry etc. did not consult Graham on the reasons behind his “no” vote on Iraq. Graham made it publicly clear he was voting “no” because the Intel didn’t warrant giving Bush a blank check to wage war.
And if they DID consult Graham and voted “yes” anyway, that’s even worse. They did what they thought was the politically expedient thing at the time. They failed as members of a co-equal branch of government. If you read Robert Byrd’s floor speech at the time of the vote, it says it all.
twolf1 @ 86
Rumor has it he will be executed tomorrow morning and Bush will watch from Crawford.
sick, sick, sick and I don’t believe for one second that the Iraqis think this is anything but our puppetry at work! This is humiliating for the people in Iraq and will inflame the situation even more.
(just my opinion and I am deeply ashamed– we’ve got more than our share of war criminals and traitors right here and yet we’ve done NOTHING about them! What rank hypocrisy!)
Oh, I only wanted to add, by discussing the working poor, I am not trying to exclude all those folks who do have the numerous problems and needs you listed above.
But these issues need to be covered in more depth, with a more cause-and-effect perspective, as I believe some of the panelists touched on. I felt this was an excellent point. Otherwise, again, many viewers/readers will just write them off as deadbeats who “asked for it.”
The lack of empathy stems from the disconnect. I wish more journalists and their editors would try harder to bridge that. If only there were a magic formula to appeal to people’s natural selfishness in such a way that they can empathize with the poor because they can visualize themselves in their shoes, a place they most definitely do not wish to be.
Judge: Saddam to be executed by Saturday
From yesterday’s “le deluge” thread, I bring forward this comment for your consideration, again:
lina @ 64
OfT, FWIW, from the NYTimes
U.S. Is Being Told Hussein Hanging Seems Imminent
George Bush is one sicko S.O.B. And Hillary and anyone else who doesn’t recognize their error in supporting this prez’s deadly and inhumane folly should be forced to watch Saddam’s neck-tie party. I am disgusted beyond what I ever thought I could be.
“I am so totally, abjectly, sorry for what I helped create.”
I agree. I’m willing to forgive anybody who admits that they were had, and are sorry for having had this happen.
Hey, at the time, Colin Powell and Condi (”mushroom clouds”) Rice fooled me. Then I wised up. Would be hard for me, for one, to condemn someone else who did the same.
But that is an apology that *must* be made by any viable candidate.
Except maybe one coming from HRC, ’cause she’s just stuck with it for way too long.
Rayne @ 84
Rayne,
I recall that you are commenting about your stepson. How is he doing, (other than being a candle in foul wind blowing out of the VA these days)? Is he good?
Thank god you and Mr. Rayne have the ability to help out with another yet another case where this administration has, so deplorably, dropped the ball.
And, folks here are spending too much energy with this Hammer character. You vehemence is personal and justifiable; but idiocy, in general, does not deserve much countenance. I know I rarely get any :)
Hope the Holidays were good for you and yours!
It being the Christmas season and all, I’ve been thinking about the a-hole republicans and their wish to ignore poverty. Along with the way the righties like the death penalty (for drug related-type crimes, not the Enron-type crimes) they seem so hell-fire and brimstone. Not the Christianity I learned at parochiol school. So I just want to say similar to the term “that’s so pre-9/11″, I think all conservative right-wingers who call themselves Christian, when they resort to self-righteous fundie-speak, should be told to their faces, “that’s so ‘pre-birth-of-Christ’”
OfT
“My City was gone”
By Swopa
Dec 29 2006 – 8:10am
Hannah Allam, the former Knight-Ridder (now McClatchy Newspapers) bureau chief in Baghdad, returns to the city after a year away:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 96
They will enjoy it…
They just turned him over to Iraqis today!!! It’s a “sovereign” country and we did not turn over their leader til today?
It’s worse than a sham.
Have all of Saddam’s body doubles been accounted for?
Tanbark @ 88
That’s a little more directly to the point than I was shooting at but, yes, more substance is certainly wished for — out of ALL political candidates. I am hoping Edwards has it in him because, if nothing else, he is easy on the eyes.
Re: Mr. Hammer,
let’s not forget the millions of working stiffs who played by the rules studied hard, got a decent job with wages sufficient to earn a living, pay for health care, save for college for the kids – only to see their jobs disapear as their employer either consolidated and made redundant or shipped off shore for someone, somewhere to do it cheaper.
johnSwifty — thank you for asking. The stepson is doing well as can be expected; his PTSD flared up last month during a prolonged battle with the VA for funding, which once again they claim will be resolved in 10 to 12 weeks.
Which, coincidentally, is another term at school for which we will have to pull another handfuls of thousands of dollars together to finance. That’s $15,000 inside 3 terms out of our pocket, which any member Mr. Hammer’s representative community (finished high school, no kids, wait to get married) could surely pull out of their hip pocket at a moment’s notice…
What this mess has done to my right-leaning stepson is converted him; he’s beginning to wonder out loud why this country does not have healthcare and childcare and retirement like Sweden. If he overcomes his difficulty with learning Swedish, he may actually consider moving there. I might not object; if we’re going to end up financing college out of our own pocket anyhow, college tuition there is 1/4th what it is in the U.S.
Heck, I think this entire family may have to learn Swedish and develop a taste for less light during winter and an excess of light in the summer, at the rate we are going…
Thanks for the post, Christy. Reminds me of my childhood. One summer and fall we lived in a tent (with bookcases) at a campground outside of Porterville, California. But my mom, a single mom, was the most independent remarkable women, she worked split shifts as a waitress and raised 4 kids through the 50s to the 70s– we were never poor, we were just expressing our individuality. She taught us that poverty does not define you.
And George Bush will never see the inside of a jail cell. Is this a great country, or what? Bringing Democracy to the world. Bush style.
Hi Rayne…
I am a single woman with three young adults living with her.
Daughter #1 is 26, unmarried, graduated ASU last year and still working at her college job as the rate of post grad (real job) employment is 40% at ASU. She is paying off student loans and working as a manager of a outlet retail store.
Renter – daugher #1 best friend who became ill and admitted to the hospital with acute poison oak and without insurance. She moved in to continue her education and pay for medical debt. She just graduated from ASU.
Youngest son – 24, he started his first semister at ASU, just had his hours cut at Home Depot 2 weeks before Xmas. He moved back in the weekend before Xmas because he could Not make it.
Ok… Thankfully they all have someone to fallback on. The renter told me with tears that if it wasn’t for me, she would NEVER would of completed college.
So I have three unmarried young people who DO NOT have children but are making around $15-18K per year. All thankfully have benefits through their employers. Thank God for Starbucks and Costco who have benefits for part time workers. But they have $10K and up student loans to pay off too.
twolf1 @ 102
They’ve recently been found seen in a two on two beach volleyball competition in Buenos Ares with Ken Lay’s body doubles. At least, I
think they are Ken Lay’s body doubles.
laura strand — thank you for that. You just addressed the status of roughly a half million people in the state of Michigan with your comment.
From Cristy’s article:
“Because their costs to society fall on every single person who pays taxes — and, honestly, as much as folks on the right bitch about taxes, shouldn’t they be the least bit interested in maximizing the returns on the money they do pay in — and reducing the overall needs and despair in order to reduce long term costs ought to be something everyone could get behind.”
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Would be helpful if the public could be educated on how much of their tax dollars go to subsidization of corporate “externalities.” That’s another thing, the “blaming the victim” is a media-induced condition. No mention is ever made of how corporate externalities are helping to create the kinds of conditions you wrote about. Heck, in my opinion, outsourcing is an externality: it creates indefinite to extended unemployment, sometimes leading to poverty.
If the public could ever get their minds aroud this one, you’d see some action and a lotta rage, too. Another disconnect that needs to be bridged.
Again, cause and effect. But we don’t hear about it since, well, you all know who owns the media.
twolf1 @ 102
Pardon me while I move your name from the “Cynic” list – to the “All-Star Cynic” roster.
lol. – er, sort of….
In contrast with the topic of this thread, from today’s Salon, here’s how the assinine other half lives, by the numbers:
kristinejoy @ 106
I can appreciate what you’re saying. I am a grandson of the Dust Bowl. When my folks and I moved to California, we picked tomatoes in the Sacramento Valley. And grapes.
This is trying to combine a couple of these threads.
I’ve heard the two trillion number tossed about for the cost of Bush’s ego… er, I mean the Iraq war. I don’t vouch for it’s accuracy, I’ve just heard it tossed around. We have just crossed the 300 million count in our population. Think of the help $7,000 (rough aproximate) per man, woman, and child would be. Of course, we borrowed that two trillion dollars.
If you’ve ever looked at the amortization of your mortgage you know how much of that mortgage actually goes towards interest. I’m no mathematician or economist either, but I know we are going to pay back a boat-load of money more than that two trillion dollars. That’s money we will not have available to help out the needy. The ones it will help out, however, are the people who hold the underlying securities to that debt.
The Repugs and their echo chamber spread the meme that Dems are “tax-and-spend”. At least that was pay-as-you-go. We have empoverished generations to come for the collosal vanity of a depraved sociopath.
Our friend, Renee in Ohio, has a DKos Diary linking to Christy’s post.
Recommendations are always helpful.
katymine @ 108
Great illustration of the silliness of the Hammer Postulate.
All three above the poverty line:
and staying there unless they would be so silly as to get married and/or have children.
Glad you are holding up your end so that the Bush progeny can hang out in Argentina.
If Saddam’s hanging progresses as any of Bush’s other endeavors have, the rope will break and Saddam will escape.
EvilDrPuma @ 25
Also, before everybody else started piling on the Iraq criticism bandwagon, Edwards did write an article admitting he’d made a mistake with his vote. I was able to give him a pass after that.
Rayne @ 105
Living in the NorthCountry where we have extensive Swedish communities and ample student exchange programs, I can attest to the fact that the Swedish peoples are some of the most straight forward, hard working, principled and intelligent folks on this planet. Not to mention that they are a fine group of people in an aesthetic sense…tall, statuesque, strong facial features.
However, I seem to recall your personal heritage is polynesian (?) and you might want to let the positive aspects of global warming affect the Swedish mainland for a few more years before moving there. That should give you ample time to learn the language and develope a taste for ludafisk!
I support our troops. Bring them home. And try Bush and the rest.
katymine — Oh dear, you probably never expected this any more than I did, caring for adult children. It wasn’t like this when I was their age. It used to be all I could do to plead with friends NOT to go to work for the auto industry or construction after high school; everybody could get a decent job with benefits and avoid college if they chose to, at the time. I didn’t have any friends living with their parents; they could afford to live on their own, although often with friends. Only weird, freaky people lived with their parents.
But it has changed so much in one generation. Heck, I remember my father complaining about a $400 trip to the emergency room for a minor accident…that wouldn’t even cover the meds now, for the same trip. [sigh]
The leading cause of bankruptcy in this country is due to medical bills. I think John Edwards has done a good job of highlighting this problem, and it’s yet another reason the recently passed bankruptcy bill (Hello, Ms. Tauscher!) was such a travesty.
mandrake @ 118
Like Dr. Evil, I can forgive, but don’t ask me to put you in charge of U.S. foreign and defense policy with my vote in 2008.
And just on the political side, if they have those cattle call TV debates during the primary process, like they always do, no Dem who voted “yes” on the IWR will survive.
Christy – please forgive me if I’m detracting from discussion of an important topic, but I think that this story (found via Raw Story), for what it’s worth, may be worth perusing (and as you read it, please consider the original venue through which it was disseminated):
http://www.insightmag.com/Medi…..aker_5.htm
new thread
If our justice system cannot deal with Bush and the rest (who have so obviously broken the law) in the coming years, than it’s broken.
Stephen Parrish — interesting…looks like Baker’s getting SwiftBoated by Dubya’s Moonie and other supporters. Although the info could be right, the timing is certainly suspect.
johnSwifty — ah, yes, global warming…we may have to do the opposite, and set up a partition for the Nordic peoples here. Maybe we can take the Upper Peninsula for them, would feel more like home. I know my own Finn family members would welcome them.
lina:
This is why I campaigned aggressively for Dean in 2004. Everybody pretty much thought I was a dope back then.
Fresh thread, gang. Part II.
mandrake @ 129
You weren’t a dope, you were dope — at the root of the problem! More with your grasp on the bedrock of issues would have helped this country then; they still will now!
Glad to see Edwards and the important issues his campaign platform bring to the fore highlighted here. You’re right about Katrina bringing these issues to the forefront of the national discussion.
But if the MSM covers Edwards like they covered Katrina, there will be the inevitable photos showing Joe Biden “working hard for every vote” juxtaposed with a picture of “Edwards looting votes.”
John Hammer @
13
I grew up WASP, finished high school, went to a couple years of college, got married at age 24, had three kids within that marraige.
If “That’s a fact whether you’re white or black.”, then what universe did I live in for so long, ’cause after the divorce, I and my three kids spent the next 10 years living just as described…
” That does not even touch on folks living below the poverty line who were never in trouble with the law. Folks who are working two and three jobs, trying to raise their families with no childcare assistance and little to no safety net. Folks for whom an illness could mean financial catastrophe for the whole family. Folks living one paycheck away from homelessness.”
I spent a year with an infection that was very hard to recover from, with my kidneys at risk, and no way to pay the medical bills. I spent 10 years living from hand to mouth, wondering if I would be forced to drop the kids off at their dad’s house and live in my car.
John Hammer – you are so full of shite! It’s obvious that you are one of those privileged ones who never had to wonder where the rent was coming from, or where they would get their next meal. Good for you, just stop talking about something you know nothing about.
Richmond @ 3
Here’s a link to the Krugman column Richmond is referring to: http://welcome-to-pottersville…..h-way.html
My steamy nights with Halle Barry and Angelina Jolie are affairs that haven’t occurred yet.
John Hammer at 13:
Let’s ignore little details like decent access to family planning and health services!
The hammer might as well be saying “Make sure you don’t become poor so you don’t become poor.”
johnSwifty @ 131
I know it’s childish, but I wish just one person would come up and say to me, “ya’ know, you were right all along, and Dean was right.”
Fat chance. I live in SC. ‘Nuff said.
Ed*ward Teller; Biden has done many politically opportunistic things in his career, and I hold no great brief for him, but he just came out foursquare against sending more troops to Iraq, when he didn’t have to.
Edwards?
“I’m sorry; not just yet. Just like Hillary, I still have my wet finger sticking straight up in the air. Check with me later.”
Shit, at this point, the fucking MSM ought to be firing the “to surge or not surge” question at every politician in Washington.
Tanbark at 139 — I thought Edwards called for a troop reduction in his speech yesterday? Take a peek at the LATimes link (the first link in my piece above) and see if I’m not correct on that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 141
He called for 40 to 50k right now and then more in 2007 (or the rest in 2007, not sure).
Thanks, RedJet at 142 — I thought I remembered that from the speech and then the subsequent coverage. Good to know I wasn’t misremembering it. Appreciate the follow-up. :)
I like Edwards, too, and I hope he actually is what he appears to be.
Empathy is the missing element from the political scene. Certainly, on the right the politicians don’t care about people (except their rich friends) and most don’t even PRETEND to care.
I saw Edwards in person just before the last election. He spoke about Robert Kennedy——the last politician with true empathy to make a splash. It’s a tragedy we lost Kennedy…I sure hope Edwards is real and wins this time.
I think the smear people can’t really beat sincere empathy…People can tell when their being manipulated——when they have something real to contrast it with…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 143
You are quite welcome – lovely post by the way.
Edwards is talking about our position and respect in the world as well. Something I think is very important. When I look at all the candidates, even the R’s I try to gauge how they will be perceived and received as president around the world.
Our issues here at home are very important and I think we need a president who is willing to address them but we can’t forget that our influence around the world is important. We have been tarred by the current administration and when Edwards says that repairing those relationships is vital to national security and to the benefits we have here at home, I have to agree.
I want a president that I don’t need to hang my head in shame should I step out of these borders. Well, heck, inside these borders.
I believe his announcing from New Orleans was not only a call to address poverty but to show that NO is still suffering under this administrations ability to get its shit together.
I also like that Edwards said that we can work now to improve things and not wait for the next president is elected. That we can volunteer, be a part of the solution. This goes to the environment as well. I like that he expects me to do something. Makes me feel important! lol.
Sorry, Christy. I missed that. My apologies to Edwards, and to his supporters on here, for not knowing that he’d already spoken out. I’m glad to have been wrong about this.
Tanbark at 146 — No apologies needed for me — I was hoping I hadn’t misremembered on that, so I’m glad RedJet caught the same thing. There has been SO much news the last few days that it’s increasingly been difficult to keep up and keep everything sorted, frankly.
And the Saddam hanging coverage is so jumbled right now I can’t make head or tail out of it. No wonder a detail gets missed here or there.
A lot of comments have been drowned out by the Hillary vs Obama fest on the news. Other than those two, the media can barely spare the time.
Edwards called for 40k immediate withdrawl some time ago and repeated that call on his Hardball College Tour thing weeks ago.
diogenes @ 5
Response:
I, also, cannot wait to see John Edwards engage Senator Clinton on the issues of poverty. She has been fighting for the victims of Katrina since two weeks after the hurricane. Google “Hillary Clinton Katrina” and numerous articles will come up. Hillary also sponsored the increase to the minimum wage Bill which you can read about right here:
THIS IS A LINK
56. S.2725 : A bill to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide for an increase in the Federal Minimum wage and to ensure that increases in the Federal minimum wage keep pace with any pay adjustments for Members of Congress.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] (introduced 5/4/2006) Cosponsors (13)
Committees: Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Latest Major Action: 5/4/2006 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.
Fighting poverty is extremely important, but John Edwards is not a pioneer or the sole candidate who brings credence to the issue. Not by a long shot. He will have to bolster his foreign policy credentials as well if he plans to come up against Hillary Clinton.
RedJet @ 148
How did John Edwards come up with the 40K number? Did he construct an overall plan that enables him to justify 40,000 as opposed to, say, 20,000 or 60,000? Or did he pull the number out of the air because it sounded impressive? Are you really fooled by this?
Andrew Casey @ 149
Sounds like you support Hillarys foreign policy decisions. Edwards and Hillary both made a mistake and cast a vote for war on Iraq. At least Edwards admitted his mistake quite some time back. Hillary is a disaster in this area and beyond repair, imo.
Hillary is polling very well, right across the country. If that changes, I will consider whether or not she is “a disaster”.