
(This shot is from the iconic Dorothea Lange, whose photographs stand the test of time in terms of documenting so much of American life and poverty during the Depression. I found this shot in a photo essay on poverty that is well worth a look.)
Back in early January of this year, I sat down to my keyboard and poured out a heartfelt post in the aftermath of the Sago mining disaster that occurred about 45 minutes down the road from where I live here in West Virginia. What I wrote then comes back to me this morning, and I wanted to re-emphasize a few points that still go unaddressed today:
We've gutted funding for mental health. We pay social workers who intercede on the children's behalf less than they could make at McDonalds, but we expect them to do a job so difficult and so important to our communities. We spend huge sums of money on new prisons every year: imagine if we just dedicated a small portion of that amount to services on the front end of the problem -- when these kids were small or even when they were still in the womb (you would not believe the amount of damage to a child that can be done by a mother using crack while pregnant) -- how much better return would that be for our nation over the long run? These are the things that kept me up at night as a prosecutor. The individual stories behind every single one of the defendants and families that I saw, and the question of how to fix the problems that I kept repeatedly seeing, and not just put a band-aid on the problem and hope it would go away on its own. The question of how economic hardship can push someone already on the brink of disaster to do something so stupid, and that can impact his family for generations. But the answers were elusive, and still are.This is a problem that we need a national discussion about over an extended period. Not some nasty political infighting. Not throwing a bunch of sound bites at each other and looking smug, digging in our respective positions a lobbing bombs out from behind the ideological bunkers.
A real, honest discussion. Education is the way out -- but that only works if people in incredibly poor areas have access to decent education. How do we accomplish that?
Mental health and other safety net programs have been gutted over the last few years. Are we trying to create more criminals to lock up -- because that's been a big part of the result that I've seen in the real world trenches. But for a government running deficits as big as the federal government is, where is more funding coming from to increase these programs? And from states, who are having trouble meeting federal entitlements that keep pushing off costs onto the backs of governors whose budgets are already stretched thin? No easy answers here, that's for sure.
Fair wages for a fair day's work are essential. But how does that happen in an era when health insurance costs are through the roof -- for both the worker and the business employing them -- and energy costs are eating up the margins for a lot of other businesses who might have some slack? For that matter, exactly how does a CEO justify making 350 times or more than his lowest paid worker, all the while running a business into the ground with bad decisions?
The bottom line is this: there are some really tough choices facing this nation (and the discussion above is my no means a comprehensive list), and we need to approach them carefully because the results of our action or inaction have long-term ramifications for our children. Democrats used to own these issues because they listened to the voices of those people who needed help, who needed a hand up, and who were willing to do the work on their end to get the job done. And they spoke up for them, gave them a voice in the halls of power.
There, in a nutshell, is where I still am: trying to find a way to bring the voices of these folks to the fore because they have no real public voice in today's politics. At least, they hadn't had one -- I am hopeful yet with regard to the incoming Congress and hope that issues facing folks at the bottom end of the economic scale will be given a lot more consideration in the days to come than they have been given the past few years.
Back in 1999, CNN did a profile of poverty in Appalachia, which included the following, which I still find to be true in parts of West Virginia and the greater Appalachia today:
It's a part of the United States that, to some eyes, might look like another country. Appalachia has been called the forgotten America. But amid poverty and hardship, there's also hope and self-reliance.At a time of prolonged national prosperity, Appalachia is an area where the clanging bells of Wall Street's economic boom are seldom heard. Where some people live in crowded shacks without plumbing, where health care can fall to Third World levels, where roadside garbage often goes uncollected and where unemployment stands at many times the national average of 4.3 percent.
It is here, a region dotted with economically depressed coal-mining towns, where President Clinton sees untapped commercial potential he hopes to unlock with his "new markets" initiatives -- tax credits and loan guarantees for businesses that invest in distressed areas.
There have been limited successes in my state with business initiatives, but the greater question of "poverty" is so much more complex than simply adding more jobs -- a lot of which require a good education and/or higher-level skills that many at the lowest levels of economic society simply do not have, and so cannot obtain these new opportunities without further intervention or training of some sort. West Virginia currently ranks as the fifth poorest state in the nation, and all over Appalachia problems associated with poverty persist with no end in sight.
Certainly personal responsibility plays a role in whatever situation an adult person finds themselves in through the years, but there are fundamental factors that a child of poverty has to overcome that a child born to middle class or upper class parents will never, ever have to face. And for a child who is physically or mentally abused, or who is born to a mother who never bothered with adequate prenatal care, nutrition or abstention from alcohol or drugs while pregnant, or who doesn't have food to eat or clean clothes to wear, who has no encouragement to get an education and no real parental role model whatsoever growing up -- admonishments that as an adult that person should be more responsible can be, at many levels, pretty much incomprehensible.
And for families who fall outside that parameter of at risk kids, who work hard every day at two or three jobs, try to raise their children with optimal parenting, and still find a whole lot more month left at the end of their paychecks -- people who are doing everything right and still have a very, very difficult time getting by because they were born to a family tha didn't have a trust fund, didn't emphasize education, didn't...well, you can pretty much fill in the blank.
Should we simply shut our eyes and walk away from the needs of our fellow citizens? I say no. As much as these folks have a responsibility to themselves and their families to do what they can to make their lives better, so should we consider all of the members of our community our concern -- not just the folks who don't need a hand up now and then -- because it is in how we treat the least of these that we ought to judge our successes.
One of the biggest problems that I have seen is that the question of "poverty" is treated to piecemeal consideration. You want to lower the birth rate for underage kids in America -- but refuse to talk about any sort of education about contraception, other than keep your legs crossed, don't have sex and, if you do, don't talk about it with your parents because they don't want to know. You want to decrease the number of folks who are homeless -- but the greater issues of mental health services having funding cut or drug and alcohol addiction or economic instability for the lower middle class and the increases of families becoing homeless due to health care costs and the new bankruptcy laws that have been devastating for families in that situation...and on and on.
Housing costs in the last few years have skyrocketed all over the country. Siun forwarded a link to me last night about the housing situation for the poor in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina -- and I read the article just shaking my head. Read for yourself the situation that these two sisters find themselves in, and ask yourself if we cannot do better than this.
One of the biggest issues that never seems to get play in public discussion is the role that malnutrition and hunger in the lives of poor children plays in their long-term prognosis for the future. I found some information on this issue relating to poverty in Chicago, and I find it fascinating -- and quite disturbing. As a mother myself, I know how I struggle day in and day out to get my child to eat well, because I have done extensive reading on the importance of this for her health and for her brain development for the long haul. There are also greater questions as to how this can impact a child in the womb in terms of pre-natal care, things that I have seen with abuse and neglect cases that I have dealt with through the years.
There are so many issues intertwined. So many issues.
The Eisenhower Foundation has put up video clips from each of the speeches from the forum that I attended on December 12th. The audio is a little low on the clips that I've viewed, but I highly recommend watching them of you get the time -- in particular, Ray Suarez and Colbert King were quite good and hit the points on the media issue squarely where I felt they needed to be hit. But all of the presentations were on point and very much needed in the run-up to the new Congress being sworn in, and in preparation for the Foundation's follow-up report to be issued in 2008 on the 40th anniversary of the Kerner Commission Report on poverty, inequality, and race in America.
These are issues on which I would like to have a lot more discussion in the weeks and months ahead. And I wanted to throw this out to all of you to help to shape the conversation.
What issues do you see in your own communities with regard to these problems and the overarching issue of poverty? What do you feel most urgently needs to be addressed? What solutions have been attempted in your community -- what has worked, and what has not? With whom would you like to have discussions on this issue at the national level? Whose voices do you find most compelling on these issues -- and why?
I'm looking forward to all of the responses on this. And to much, much more discussion to come.
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One of the biggest problems with poverty, is that many of those who are not poverty stricken, look at the poor with disdain. As somehow being sub-human. How can it be that a poor child deserves what she or he is getting?
Generational poverty is the death of the American dream and a national tragedy.
I’m really impressed with how Edwards has, as you say, put this issue on the table. I’ve liked him since he announced four years ago (IIRC, my second or third post ever at Needlenose was about him), but I doubted his ability to have an impact this time around.
I’m glad he’s proving me wrong.
And increasingly problematic is the falling “middle class.” Anyone going to start blaming them for this creeping poverty? And for their fault in “becoming” poor?
EPUd:
Glad to see Edwards and the important issues his campaign platform bring to the fore highlighted here. You’re right about Katrina bringing these issues to the forefront of the national discussion.
But if the MSM covers Edwards like they covered Katrina, there will be the inevitable photos showing Joe Biden “working hard for every vote” juxtaposed with a picture of “Edwards looting votes.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 1
I am a member of the Psychic Threads Network
Christy Hardin Smith @
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Or is he using an RSS feed? :)
Now if this vaccine only worked for the super rich, it would already be secretly distributed:
British scientists are on the verge of producing a revolutionary flu vaccine that works against all major types of the disease.
Described as the ‘holy grail’ of flu vaccines, it would protect against all strains of influenza A - the virus behind both bird flu and the nastiest outbreaks of winter flu.
Just a couple of injections could give long-lasting immunity - unlike the current vaccine which has to be given every year.
The brainchild of scientists at Cambridge biotech firm Acambis, working with Belgian researchers, the vaccine will be tested on humans for the first time in the next few months.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag.....ge_id=1774
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 8
no rss feed. Ms. Cleo lives next door to me
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 9
I recall his saying a while back that he isn’t using RSS feed.
We have an amazing ecosystem for physical capital - money, plants, equipment, etc. Look at the information available - several cable outlets, Money, Fortune, BusinessWeek, the MSM, etc.
Where is the similar system for intellectual capital? Where is the mechanism to identify and nourish human potential?
How many opportunities does society miss as a result? How many good doctors, teachers, nurses go untrained?
Assuming we fix that problem, where are the jobs going to be when folks graduate? We are outsourcing skilled work (I just read an article that has insurance companies sending patients abroad for surgery - I find it telling that even surgeons are not safe from greed)and exploiting illegal immigrants for the jobs that can’t be outsourced.
Combined with Iraq, 2008 may be the watershed event of our generation.
diogenes @ 13
Someday (and I will admit that it probably will not be before the 2008 election) it will be time to bring out the, “No Child Left Behind,” idiocy and hold it to the light to show just how shoddy and threadbare a theory of education can be made.
It was poor in original design and morally bankrupt in its execution. There is no greater example of the conservative inability to project one’s mind into the future than this policy. It results, so very much, in what diogenes is describing here.
I don’t want to hijack the thread — the time is not right, yet, but there is a synchronicity to this country’s current plight and all things are related.
Overcoming poverty in the US is an enormous task. For starters, the US needs to invest in its future. But I don’t see that happening any time soon with the staggering debt (by the trillions) that Bush has put us into. Our children (and theirs) will be paying off that debt for many many years to come.
I hate to sound grim, but that’s the reality, folks.
Oh, Christy, thank you so much for this post!
This is the fundamental aspect of our society—it’s broken so profoundly—and all of us ignore the pain and the reality of our situation. It’s no different in the inner city, a complete lack of resources, of models, of educational opportunity, of health care, of job opportunities; just everything. We end up with drugs and pain and gangs and an entire culture lost.
I was once a pretty big supporter of the free market, of unrestricted capitalism, and of free trade. But the more I see, the more radical I become. I’m not sure if the system we have today can be “fixed”. I’m not sure what it will take to begin to address the issues.
I do know that every one of the conservative folks I know, of every class, thinks that it’s wrong to increase social support but right to increase military support. We end up with billions wasted on ways to kill people, and an entire society living in financial and cultural poverty with very little hope.
To begin to make a difference means we are in for the long hall here. It’s gonna take decades and we will have to fight all the way.
—BTW—
My oncologist told me this week that he could fix the Medicare issue with a one-sentence bill before Congress: “All governmental employees, including Congress and the Senate, shall use Medicare as their primary form of health insurance.”
Biodun @ 15
It IS grim, and it IS the reality. Sad, but true.
I’ve just recently moved back to downtown Indpls, from the country, after having been gone for several years. Good news- bad news. I see openly gay couples free to live their lives, and I think - ‘thank God I’m back to civilization’.
But then, every single day, I see and notice that there are now more homeless people on the corners, with their plastic cups asking for quarters. I see more people walking the streets talking, and raging, to themselves. I’m a very fit guy, having been in the gym for about 25 years now - nobody much messes with me. But (and I’m not trying to blow my horn, fer chrissakes), there are people who, when I encounter them, I wonder whether it’s gonna be time to hafta throw down. I don’t worry about me - I worry about the women, the more infirm, who must be scared shitless.
There’s one mission downtown - I was talking to a street guy yesterday, and he was telling me that it wasn’t cold enough last night for him to get into the mission for the night. Rules of some sort.
But by far the biggest crime in this town is that there are so many people in need of mental health care - and it looks like they’ve been totally abandoned. Homelessness - I don’t know how you fix that - but to have so many obviously mentally ill people, also homeless and on the street, is just wrong. Simple medication would take care of most of it - but it’s evidently not available.
Neither homelessness, nor mental illness, is a crime.
There’s an older black gentleman, named David, who parks his wheelchair at my corner every day of the world. Never asks anyone for a dime - he just talks to people - and they, in turn take care of him. Guy knows more people than the mayor, I’d wager. But how, with spare change and a friendly chat, are ya gonna save David - let alone everybody else?
OK at 3 — That is one of the questions that I have never, ever been able to answer to my satisfaction, either. I have worked with at risk kids for years and I have never, ever met a child who “deserved what they got” from whatever crappy family may have raised them. And I have dealt with some violent, nasty kids through the years — but when you took the time to look — really look — at their family lives (or lack thereof…), you got a very good understanding of how they had gotten where there were in a whole lot of cases.
Individuals make choices. Once you get to a certain age, you have to be held accountable for those choices. But as a society, we are choosing to simply leave these kids — from a young, vulnerable age — in situations that we would never, not in a million years, leave a child that we cared about it — and in what universe do we consider that remotely appropriate? Honestly? How have any of these innocent children “earned” that life? And how is it that people can simply turn their backs on that reality?
The story of the twin ladies is heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time.
Gov’t fat cats wanting to make a buck and to hell with the people they are charged with helping.
For a moment, imagine shutting down Clusterfucks war and taking that money and putting it back into our own infrastructure.
One billion dollars a month?
How many apartments could be repaired. How many streets?
How many needy people could be fed, clothed and housed for one BILLION dollars amonth?
That is what I find so abhorrent about Bush.
It’s criminal the way New Orleans has been left to rot. Not to mention the rest of the gulf coast.
kristinejoy at 4 — I have seen more generations of families in the courthouse for various criminal matters than I can count. Yes, it is a huge problem — here and everywhere. And how you get to the heart of it and begin to solve it is the question I have been asking myself for years.
I re-read Dickens and see so many of the same problems that I have seen through the years, and I ask myself whether or not there really is a solution. But not to try is such a betrayal that I cannot, in good conscience, stop asking the questions.
A discussion of poverty must also address the continuing problem of racism in this country. Why is it that images of “the poor” presented by the MSM so often seem to be black or brown people, when the reality is that poverty makes no racial distinction?
Well, one reason may be because the Republicans-thanks to Lee Atwater and Karl Rove-have succeeded in demonizing the “other” (African Americans, immigrants, Democrats, etc.) and, as a result, kept the country divided along racial lines.
Poverty isn’t about poor people. It’s about all the people in this country-rich, poor, black, white, smart, stupid. When Edwards (or anybody else) talks about poverty, it must be framed as an issue that affects everyone.
marksbb @ 16
Your oncologist is right. And their pension plan should be the equivalent of SS (the taxpayers fund it at the same rate as employers, and the Congresscritters put in the rest at the employees’ rate. (You can’t run a system well if you never have to use it yourself.)
Also congratulations on finishing your treatments, and good luck!
Holy mogambo. I just noticed with Renee in Ohio’s post that RBG linked up in the prior comments thread — I am a CATEGORY on DKos. How did THAT happen? LOL
I almost don’t want to say anything for fear of “jinxing” him, but I get a really good vibe from John Edwards. I voted for him in the primary in 2004. He gives me flashbacks to Bobby Kennedy… For me that’s a GOOD thing.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
Tag. you’re it!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
Christy Hardin Smith - Category Five blogger
blow ‘em away, Redd!
Better schools or more jails. Nutrition programs for the poor or dividend tax breaks. Where do our values stand?
There are two options to increase the national debt; increase tax cuts or increase spending. History has proven that “trickle on economics” is a massive failure for the majority of Amercans, so tax cuts for the extremely wealthy harm us as a nation.
Where do our values stand?
Is it right to reduce America to mere consumers and those who cannot afford to consume are somehow un-American?
Our trade policies enacted in the last 20 years have done us great harm. Establish a base-line cost for goods manufactured in America, with all environmental and worker protection costs factored in. All imported goods would be charged a tariff to match the base-line cost. All shipping would be an additional cost, eliminating the financial advantages.
Do the same with offshore tax shelters. Wanna sell here and benefit from the American economy? Pony up the dues.
The strength of America lives in the depth and breadth of the middle-class, not with multi-national corporations.
diogenes at 13 — I saw this day in and day out with some of the brightest kids that I dealt with in the juvenile system — and in the abuse and neglect system when we could find a good, adoptive placement for at risk kids who had been removed from a severely abusive home and were able to thrive in a better environment. We lose so much potential — but how to make that better on the whole involves so many very difficult questions to which there are few, if any, good answers.
But we absolutely must start asking those questions, because not to do so is so painfully wrong.
Great double post today, Christy, thanks. Much to ponder.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
Yes, and they have a poll for you too, in case you decide to run for Congress. *g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
If you click on Christy’s name at the bottom it takes you to another page. And by golly, there is a poll there.
So far, 86% polled said HELL YEAH, Christy should run for Congress.
NOW, how do feel, Mrs. Smith?
Bustednuckles @ 20
I think that’s what pisses me off (almost) the most: if we could shut down the war and move all of the money over to social concerns, the hue and cry throughout the land would be deafening. The screams of waste and corruption and welfare queens and so on. It’s a basic assumption in this country that military spending is right, and social spending is wasteful and wrong. I dunno what to do about that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
For many of us (and I guess we should give thanks) a personal experience with poverty is often limited to experiences with fiction.
My first realization of this was in reading Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man. It is an excellent juxtaposition of the ‘white’ world against the ‘black;’ and, the ‘rich’ world against the ‘poor.’
It was not until later in life, when my father started bringing me to soup kitchens, that I was given the gift of experiencing poverty in a truly personal sense.
My children might not appreciate that now, but thanks to their Grandfather, they are getting that education earlier than I did. I’m still going to make them read Ellison, of course!
I knew how bad Reagan would be since he was governor but I still have not forgiven him for what he did to the mental health system. I had two nurses I worked with that had kids that were institutionalized due to severe problems. When Reagan shut down all the residential centers throughout the country, he failed to put in a system to support these people, no OP treatment, no follow system, no support.
The reason why so many homeless are mentally ill to start with was just that. Now it is because there has No place for them, no OP treatment centers, no day clinics to make sure they are getting their drugs and no one to follow up.
Then in 1985, I dealt with my brain injured brother-in-law trying to get him placement. Eventually I was able to obtain Social Security Disability and placement in a adult assisted living home. All his check goes to payment of his monthly room and board.
I know of several families who were lifers in the military because of their child’s medical conditions and could NOT make it on the outside due to the high cost of the care.
Bustednuckles @
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Mrs. Smith Goes to Washington
The world has become such a dismal place. It’s all so very unsettling. But there is a way out of poverty. Election of concerned Democrats would be a start.
OT
Riverbend posts today:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
“My only conclusion is that the Americans want to withdraw from Iraq, but would like to leave behind a full-fledged civil war because it wouldn’t look good if they withdraw and things actually begin to improve, would it?
Here we come to the end of 2006 and I am sad. Not simply sad for the state of the country, but for the state of our humanity, as Iraqis. We’ve all lost some of the compassion and civility that I felt made us special four years ago. I take myself as an example. Nearly four years ago, I cringed every time I heard about the death of an American soldier. They were occupiers, but they were humans also and the knowledge that they were being killed in my country gave me sleepless nights. Never mind they crossed oceans to attack the country, I actually felt for them.
Had I not chronicled those feelings of agitation in this very blog, I wouldn’t believe them now. Today, they simply represent numbers. 3000 Americans dead over nearly four years? Really? That’s the number of dead Iraqis in less than a month. The Americans had families? Too bad. So do we. So do the corpses in the streets and the ones waiting for identification in the morgue.
Is the American soldier that died today in Anbar more important than a cousin I have who was shot last month on the night of his engagement to a woman he’s wanted to marry for the last six years? I don’t think so.
Just because Americans die in smaller numbers, it doesn’t make them more significant, does it?”
Dear God, what have we done?
As I told Carnacki, I don’t live in that district. And I don’t have plans to move. It’s flattering — but don’t look for me to make a run for Congress, thanks. I have The Peanut to think about first and foremost.
Bustednuckles @
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Hmmm…would of thought there’d be a few more recommendations by now.
1,378 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
Bless your heart for bringin our attention back to the purpose of democratic politics which is to enable collective action to improve people’s lives. We are once again at one of those historical moments when the conflict between rich and poor and the relationship between wealth and power is clearly defined and threatens to overwhelm human progress. The monied class has disabled our democratic institutions whose purpose was to ensure against the consolidation of wealth and power and to provide for democratic choices in the distribution of the wealth of society. The restoration of those democratic institutions and the implementation of actions that address the improvement of life for a majority here in this country requires us to break up the consolidation of riches, redistribute wealth and power and drag the monied class back into the mainstream.
We have mechanisms available to us to accomplish this but they are currently throttled and controlled by an oligarchy whose ultimate purpose is to eliminate the machinery of democracy. We need to end the war in Iraq, impeach the current executive, hold war crimes trials,implement confiscatory taxation on the rich, take the cap off social security taxes, implement universal health care and rewrite anti-trust legislation to break up the monster corporations.
This is all doable within our existing political structure but we must come together to agree on on the goals…if we lose this moment in history we may very well wake up in the 13th century.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ‘EM SCARE YA!!
Understand this neocons and Bush affiliates. I will never stop fighting your kind. So if you plan to be around for a very long time, mark this; so do I.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
Well put. And The Peanut is lucky, very lucky.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
There are lots and lots of other Peanuts out there that few are helping. You asked for suggestions, and you gotta doozy!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
I come from a long, long line of educators (and I’m married to one). I am highly biased towards the idea that a federal commitment to education is an absolute requirement for building any foundation to a bulwark against poverty.
Oilfieldguy @ 28
This is what I was trying to get my keyboard around when reading Christy’s words and the comments. The systems, personnel and funding for (re)building the social safety nets and education system will rely on the electorate.
The consumer isn’t going to change - America is a vast wasteland of strip malls and the IGMs (”I got mine”) who don’t want or can’t change.
The capitalist isn’t going to change - in the quest for the fattest bottom line and the biggest profit, human suffering doesn’t even get acknowledged, much less acted upon. (Goldman Sachs CEO nets $53 million bonus? That’s a criminal act.)
The current form of government isn’t going to change, not as long as elections are fueled by cold, hard cash from private donors.
So what’s left?
Looks like its going to be up to us, and getting elected those that share our values. After all, that’s what got us here. John Edwards nailed it with his “Two Americas” observation. The challenge is going to be two-fold: getting the “haves” to give up some of the “having”, and getting the “have nots” the right resources so they can become “haves.” It can be broken into four main areas of attention - education, housing, healthcare and employment. Each poses monumental challenges, and as seen by the “War on Poverty” from the Johnson Administration, there are NO easy answers.
The foolish endeavours of gay marriage amendments and Terri Schiavo-like grasping at power utterly corrupts the conversation. Thankfully, we’ve started to address that aspect. Now it’s up to us to keep the conversation going.
-GFO
Great post Christy! and glad you could use that link … it’s a heartwrenching story but it also sounds like one we can help with … there’s a legal effort and a move to help the people being displaced … perhaps we can invite the author of the article to give us more info sometime?
Just to put things in perspective, the US percent of population below the poverty level is ranked in between Croatia and Bulgaria. Look at the stats on Nationmaster. A fantastic resource for comparative statistics.
http://www.nationmaster.com/gr.....verty-line
Just so you know Christy, I was just joshing you. *g*
BUT, OTOH, You do have a dynamic public speaking voice and are noticeably empathetic and concerned when doing so.
I hope you can just bowl a few important people over in your quest.
Grab ‘em by the short hairs and tug hard.
God Bless Ya.
BTW, {{{{{{{ PEANUT }}}}}}}
sofistic at 48 — well, that’s sobering, isn’t it?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 39
I don’t mean to be indelicate; but I would assume your age to be “Thirty Something.” There is time enough and future for you my dear. Like the song says, raise your children well and that’s the first thing we all can do for this country.
But, in 10 - 15 years, if you’re still making the kinda waves and cogent argument you are so renowned for….well…nuff said ;-}
johnSwifty at 51 — You sound like Mr. ReddHedd…
By the way, all: we are going to be on vacation in Hilton Head, SC soon — and I was wondering if there are readers in the area who would be interested in getting together for some coffee or lunch or something while we are down there?
The basis of the conservative philosophy, if it can be dignified w/ such a word, is you get what you deserve. Poor people are poor because they don’t want to work or god has created them stupid and/or weak, and he must have his reasons. The better off are better off because they are smarter and better and stronger, therefore its only right that they make decisions for the poor. That’s why the prefer charity to a living wage. Lot’s of dems feel the same way. Minimum wage is for 16 year olds, not for adults. A living wage for a single adult obviously varies w/ locale but it is not an unworkable concept. making it happen is going to take a return to a strong union movement (check out what a dock worker or cal prison guard makes) and pols that will put legal power into workers hands (repeal taft hartley).
Kucinich and Edwards are not remote from poor people. Their lives have taught them better.
There’s a developer in LA who builds beautiful complexes with Italian names … and fights every legal requirement for ‘affordable’ units in those complexes. If he had his way, every unit he builds would be straight-up ‘market rate’ (which translates to ‘only managers, lawyers and stockbrokers can afford to live here’). It’s much more important to make money with ‘luxury housing’ than to see housing put up for the working class and the rapidly-growing number of working poor. (One person I know who looked at some of the ‘luxury housing’ going up says it’s poor quality, and there’s not much space outside the ‘master suite’ and the entertainment area; the rest of the bedrooms have just enough space for a twin bed and a dresser.)
Sofistic @ 48:
On that Nationmaster stat, I’m surprised that China is below the US, at 10 percent. Doesn’t seem right.
One thing our school provides each and everyone of our students. A good, no charge, breakfast and lunch. Pre-k through twelve. A kid cannot learn with an empty belly.
My Congresswoman, Lois Capps, was fifty nine when her husband, new congressman Walter Capps, died suddenly in 1997 and she won a special election to serve out his term. She’s been our rep since then. She’s a great congresswoman who isn’t afraid to show up at anti-war rallies at Arlington West.
There’s plenty of time, Christy.
OK at 57 — They do that here as well. And it can make such an enormous difference for a child who hasn’t had a full belly for quite a while to be able to start the school day without having to worry about gnawing hunger.
johnSwifty @ 51
OTOH, maybe the best thing you can do for the Peanut of the future is to channel some of that fire into helping out other Peanuts — a lead by example kinda thing, balancing parental issue against larger state or national ones. Just sayin’…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
Nice gesture, CHS — but how about taking a vacation from it all? Of course, if you were vacationing on the Left Coast, we would all demand an audience….
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
For even the lucky, the ones who get educated and change their lives, there are generation effects–student loan debt, credit problems, etc.
Foster children are considered adults at 18. No more support, you are on your own with nothing. So many end up moving back in with their bio parents, living on the street, and the percentage who ever go to college is in the low single digits.
But all it takes in a long view. My opportunities and what I did with them lead me to raise children for whom getting a graduate degree or going to a good college is not reaching for the stars, but a disciplined path they can take starting right now, with school achievement. Their kids will grow up with much different options than I ever had, as long as the world doesn’t fall about before then. Which I guess is why we are all here.
Education is the way out — but that only works if people in incredibly poor areas have access to decent education. How do we accomplish that?
Even in the relatively prosperous Bay Area there are huge disparities in income and wealth. Unfortunately the visible signs of poverty typically correlate with race. And academic success tracks closely with income, race, and parents’ level of education. It seems like an insurmountable, self-perpetuating problem.
Some incremental progress has been achieved at Berkeley High by attempting to address this “achievement gap” via small schools within the large school (some 3000 students, the only public high school in the city - “the most integrated high school in America”). Punaise jr. is in one such program.
It’s worth noting that when the data was studied more carefully, much of the so-called “crack baby epidemic” turned out to really be an on-going “poverty baby epidemic”. At which point it quickly became not at all newsworthy.
A really good education and caring, supportive, and involved parents are the keys to our children’s success.
Angela Davis was in New Orleans recently talking about Amnsety for Katrina Prisoners, but her speech went off in a direction discussing where racism lives today.
Her words shook me to the core. Her points about the certainty of racism should be listened to and debated by any Democrat running for the Presidency in 2008. It may be the core to winning the South and making it a clean sweep of the Republican Party into the dust bin of history.
Dealing with racism, poverty and education are the keys to America’s future…not oil and war and greed.
TeddySanFran @ 61
Agreed.
It would be wonderful to meet Reddhedd in person.
( Contrary to what many may percieve, I am actually a very nice guy)
Busted — both Teddy and OFG can attest to the fact that I’m quite pleasant as a dining companion as well. *g* I promise not to bite any of the folks who can make it to Hilton Head when (and if — still hoping that business won’t intrude on the week we’re trying to carve out) we go on our trip.
Redd just saw you on C-SPAN 2 Thanks to c-span and you may I say you were great as always but you seemed to express that there is no way to change things unless big MSM was engaged Let me assure you that your posting are more from the heart and will therefore bring about the changes we at FDL want Hang in there and build FDL to hell with MSM you are what the U.S.A. NEEDS because of your Heart
Perhaps poverty needs to be spoken of as a matter of what’s truely good and right,what it says about our morals and values,in the REAL sense of that,not in some idiotic GOP talking point sense.
I have always believed it is immoral not to make it a given that each and every child has food,clothing,shelter,medical care and a quality education. It’s investing in your people and your nation,it’s not BAD or wrong or weak to give a damn about people,especially your own.
The reason I feel this way is because I know what it takes just to feed yourself for one day if you aren’t able to afford to. I have skipped meals so my kids could eat. I have been homeless. And I can attest how much energy goes into finding food for you and your family,how stressful it is,how much TIME it takes out of a day to get that when you are poor.
You make sure,because it’s morally right to do it,that people are born into a world where the basic essentials of life are there,and then you have a nation of people who can do AMAZING things because they don’t have to fight for just the simplest means of staying alive.
I don’t mean giving people mansions and new cars,or caviar and champagne either(which is how conservatives like to frame it,like welfare recipients make the good money,just by sitting on their asses).Most poor people don’t want to be rich,just able to care for themselves and their families and communities. Being able to do that gives people dignity and something to fight FOR. When that is in place,we all have a better world. Less crime,less abuse,less violence,less addiction,less hopelessness. What could possibly be bad about that? That investment is costly up front(especially now that it’s been so shamefully neglected for so long),but the payback would be seen within one generation.
I think if we,as Liberals of all stripes,can reclaim this as an issue of what values truely are,we can stop some of the ridiculousness of the right wing in it’s tracks.
A refocus on local economies and food supplies is one place the elimination of poverty can begin. We’ve become dependant on outside sources,for jobs,for income,for food,for almost everything. Taking some of that back from big bidness would help.
I’m from SE Ohio. I left in the ’80s when the auto industry(and related indusry) croaked there. That area still hasn’t recovered,the poverty there is now extending into a new generation of babies who have parents who have never held a job because the nearest place to find a job is a couple hours away. My generation is the last to have had jobs that paid a living wage,and we had unions too. These young parents have lost hope,no one cares about them,they see no way out. And sadder still,they don’t believe they deserve anything better because it’s been drilled into their heads from a young age that they aren’t worth the investment.
OT -CNN fomenting at the mouth for Saddam’s hanging. They are going into graphic detail about the process and pain and what happens to the human body. They just can’t wait. This is their Christmas.
OMFG. That article about the twin sisters is about ethnic-economic cleansing.
We haven’t even touched on that.
One of the reasons that poverty is not addressed in this country is that it is purgative in the eyes of the wealthy. If you’re wealthy, you don’t have to worry about too many brown-skinned people intruding in your world if you keep them where they belong, or push them towards whereever that is. If you’re wealthy, you don’t have to worry about too many economically-disadvantaged people cluttering up your landscape if you keep them where they belong, out of sight, whereever you keep the nasty bits you really don’t want to see.
Why are structurally sound houses bulldozed, at taxpayers’ expense?
Because the people at the very top of the income ladder who pay the least percentage of taxes pro rata, don’t want to subsidize housing for people they don’t think deserve to be there, whether for ethnic or economic reasons.
How is this not the Gaza strip and apartheid?
Biodun @ 56
One of the reasons is that each nation defines poverty in its own way, yet the reference they use is somewhat similar to our “market basket” method of defining how one (or a family) can live at or above subsistance. Make sense?
AOB @ 70
you have got it so right!
seriously, I had to turn OFF the cnn and the msnbc… all the hanging discussion makes me feel like I’m going to faint…
sofistic @ 73
Thanks. I see what you mean. Many people in China can live (and do live) on just a buck and a half a day. That’s 12 Yuan. You can get a meal for just 2 Yuan. Interesting.
Christy, all of the elements you write about so eloquently are essentially the underpinnings of health. The hungry, fearful and exhausted child cannot learn in school which leads to… and so on down the path to despair. Mental health care divorced from physical health care allows people to fall down a rabbit hole and end up as criminals.
With the 100th Congress comes a window of opportunity to stop the descent of policy into chaos and to begin to undo the damage of the past. Please visit Universal Health to read more about the health and healthcare issues we all face.
I believe that if the Democrats take the WH in 2008, the most important appointment will be that of Attorney General.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
can I get a FITZ?!
Siun @ 47
Suin,
Amazon finally made it through the xmas rush and sent me my copy of Fisk’s The Great War for Civilisation : The Conquest of the Middle East
It is daunting, to say the least. But it was immediately useful in that my fourteen year old has a ganglionic cyst from his KungFu and this baby’s better than a bible for slamming down on it!
Here’s one that will shock you (again from Nationmaster). The US is number two in the child poverty index, just below Mexico.
http://www.nationmaster.com/gr.....ld-poverty
Yes, the article about the twin sisters is truly disturbing. Affordable housing is disappearing throughout the country. It has gotten so that firefighters, teachers, social workers, etc., cannot afford much in the way of housing, either. But, no problem putting big money into building prisons …
It’s all so tragic. I don’t know where we start. It’s been out of whack for so long. So many of our Dems have not been helpful.
Universal healthcare, public