
Lovely Nicole at Crooks and Liars points us to two recent high-profile gaffes over in Pajamas Media Land. Mmmmmm. Crow. It's what's for dinner.
First up, we have this little bit of ham-handed bargain basement pseudo-Drudgery (viva Carpetbagger!):
Conservatives shoot and miss with Kerry pic
I’ll spare you the litany of links, but several of the right’s major blogs yesterday were all aflutter over a picture of John Kerry, in Iraq a couple of weeks ago, apparently sitting alone at a mess hall. The picture, as the story went, proves that Kerry’s “botched joke” has caused lingering resentment among men and women in uniform. If the troops respected Kerry, he wouldn’t have been sitting by himself at the breakfast shown in the photo.The photo, and the accompanying narrative about how the troops avoided Kerry, made the rounds by way of far-right radio-host Scott Hennen, who claims the “priceless story” was sent by “a friend of mine serving in Iraq.” (If Hennen’s name sounds familiar, it’s because he has an interesting history with the White House.)
He then sends us over to Justin Rood, who lowers the boom on this base canard:
At Hennen's site, commenter "Anthony" noted that the picture's embedded data, just a right-click away, shows the picture was taken on January 9, 2006 — several months before Kerry botched his joke:
News accounts at the time put Kerry in England around that time — which might explain the giant Union Jack hanging on the far wall.
Ohhhhhhh, it burns! It buuurrrrrns!! I'm sure that Michelle MalKKKin will be along any minute to decry this gross distortion of photographic evidence which clearly points to bias in, uh, what? I'm sorry, did you just say she was one of the first Pajamas Meatheads out of the gate with this story? But what about her fierce determination to arrive at the truth at any cost and her sterling record as a reliable citizen journalist? She would never distort the facts to push an agenda, would she? No, indeed, her motives are as pure as driven slush. Just as spotless as her record of accuracy. Histrionic little fishwife. But back to Carpetbagger for more Rightard Follies!
National Review’s Cliff May published this comment today from an unnamed Marine in Iraq.
[M]orale among our guys is very high. They not only believe that they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1 and then see shit like “Are we losing in Iraq” on TV and the print media. For the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment, food and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, is that there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren’t enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria.
In other words, here’s a Marine who, coincidentally, is repeating the exact talking points approved by the White House and supporters of the war. Sure, the Marine’s reported perspective seems completely at odds with everything we know about the crisis — indeed, it even conflicts with some of the president’s own concessions last week — but the National Review was fortunate enough to hear from a soldier willing to tell the magazine what Cliff May wanted to hear.
Except, there’s a catch. The nearly identical text from May’s NR post was part of a widely disseminated email from over a year ago. Worse, there were slight deviations in the original text in 2005, which made it difficult to confirm its authenticity.
As Justin Rood put it, “Despite a civil war and mounting body counts on all sides, the National Review folks can still find good news coming out of Iraq. Too bad it’s over a year old and of questionable provenance.”
Oops.
Lordy mercy. It's like they're not even trying anymore.
UPDATE: It appears the debate is still raging about where and when this Kerry photo was taken and we may have to fall back on the Judy Miller defense, here. (All together now, pinch your nose and whine, "When your sources are wrong, you are wrong, waaaaaaaaah!")
The real story here, of course, is the Reich Wing's gnashing and wailing and clutching at straws and taking their cues right out of the cafeteria scene in "Mean Girls". "Ooooh, look, Kerry's sitting all by himself! Nobody likes him! He must be stinky!" Nice to know that MalKKKin and cohorts are bringing us their usual brand of enlightened discourse.
But, here, in the spirit of fair play, I bring you a comparable image of Bush spending the day with the troops:

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Boy, do I ever love the tubes of the internets. And the way the “unwashed masses” of bloggers are able to catch this kind of thing.
TREX THREE IN A ROW!!!
neurophius @ 3
Tres Trex
Bravo, TRex! Really good stuff. And 3 in a row? You’re a champ.
Triple Trex Threat
It appears that there is much more evidence that the photo is authentic. Hold your nose, then see Malkin’s website for all the details.
Its possible that the camera’s internal date was incorrect, and thus it stamped the picture with an incorrect date.
neurophius @
4
By the way, I’d like to also mention that liberal blogs are starting to get stupid. Please be careful and thorough before posting shit because when you get stuff wrong, it reflects poorly on the community.
Thanks.
The fact that the Kerry pix is bogus means nothing. The fascists got their laugh of the day, they all patted themselves on the back for being real americans and that’s that. Tomorrow is a new day and it will bring another lie. But of course that doesn’t mean we let them get away with it. Thanks for countering another one, TRex
As soon as I saw that post trash talking Kerry, I knew it was bullshit. I read it right before going to bed however, so I didn’t look anything up to bust them. Luckily, others did.
HA! I love it wingnuts self-implode. So entertaining to watch.
Joe @ 10
That was darned funny!
oops…
must.not.feed.
Joe @ 8
The bottom line is that even if it is, it proves absolutely nothing about anything. There could have been five guys right there who got up to dump their trays before the photo was snapped. The Reich Wing has nothing at this point, so like drowning men, they’ll even cling to a sword.
I mean, this is inexcusable. We’ve at least got TPMMuckraker, Firedoglake, crooksandliars, 3 huge liberal organs, running with something before they are sure about it, and not only that, but laughing and pointing and carrying on and making themselves look like idiots.
Joe @ 10
I’m so glad you’re here to tell me how to do my job. Tomorrow I’m going to come to work with you and tell you how stupid you are and how much you suck, okay?
Kentucky Woman @ 13
Yes yes! That’s right… I’m a troll. Standard fucking response from dumbasses.
You want me to send you pictures of myself at the most recent fucking anti-war protest?
Fuck off
TRex @ 16
Troll alert TRex. If you feed them, they’re like baboon. They screech and howl and bite and hurl their feces. Not worth the effort.
He proves it by citing his anti-war credentials while telling another pup to fuck off. Classic
Kids, have at him.
Joe, you’re a lousy Senator.
TRex @ 16
I don’t give a shit if you’re glad or not. When David Broder says something fucking stupid, I email him telling him he’s a dumbass. When you do something stupid, I will react in a similar way.
So fuck off. And stop imitating the habits of right wing bloggers, smartass
neurophius @ 20
LOL – You could be right. Let’s see… Touts his liberal credentials while shitting all over his liberal brethren.
Sounds like a Liebertroll to me.
Joe @ 17
This one seems to have pulled a Britney and peaked early. He’ll probably change his screen name and come back.
Nate @ 18
Yes yes! Great logic there stupid ass. Anti war people never curse!
And who said wingnuts aren’t creative? It takes real flights of fantasy to claim that the sun is rising in the West tomorrow.
And even more chutzpah to claim that it always did.
And one thing that I have to admit I admire: Their reality is far more interesting than ours is.
Wingnuts, can’t live with ‘em and…uhmmm…can’t live with ‘em.
TRex @ 22
You can keep calling me a troll if you want. But smart people reading along know that you’re just trying to distract them from realizing that you have not addressed my criticism.
TRex, when are you going to start on a book?
A paragraph a day.
That’s all I’m asking for, and in 52 weeks it’ll be a book. (Because you’ll go over and over it and add to it and so on.)
Hmm? What do you say?
Doesn’t matter what the time stamp says, the flags on the wall tell the real story.
Union Jack and Portugal? This isn’t a US mess hall in Iraq.
Joe @ 17
I think I have seen that photo…you were the one dragging the protester off while fumbling for your taser, right?
btw…you wear those “Reno 911″ hot pants very well.
Margot @ 24
Let me get through the holidays here and we’ll talk. It’s a pretty daunting thing to undertake.
I am reminded of a quote from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead:
I love the Player’s response to that though:
Mad Dogs @ 23
So that’s where the “It’s NOT a sunset… it’s a sunRISE!” confusion started!
FEEEEL the JoeMentum!
He’s a law-enforcement CHEETAH!!
They are right about the possible perspective thing with the picture as well. There’s also the fact that it looks like Kerry is turned towards someone. So something isn’t entirely right with the whole thing as it is. It could either be creatively cropped, or was timed to when he had an empty table or even the wrong date.
Mass Media is so easy to manipulate as it is. So i do like the verification and source checking that once had to be done via library 20 or so years ago. Or take really expensive subscriptions to various papers in order to get the whole picture.
Nothing really knew from the right wing. Granted, it is fun to watch. Particularly if you have a working bullshit detector. *grins*
Saturday is my friday, dammit. I can’t wait to get this time off. PAID time off at that on monday.
Kentucky Woman @
29
Yes yes! Like a typical right winger, you prefer smartass comments than honest discourse.
Jacqrat @ 25
By the way… Just how many mess halls in Iraq have an entire wait staff wearing black vest formal attire?
TRex @ 30
Rrroowwwrrrrr….
Nate @ 34
And let us not forget the lovely multi-colored chrysanthemum flower arrangements on the table-cloth covered table. No place setting in a war zone is complete without them.
Uh-oh… looks like some Nazis have decided to censor my comments.
You guys are worse than the Kossacks.
You all act like fact free right wingers.
TRex @ 16
Erm, his supervisor at Wal-Mart already did that last week.
Which is why he is now trying to land a PJ Media internship
Not doing so well here, either, eh Joe?
Joe @ 17
Umm, no thanks. I think I already have one.
Huh. I’d say you guys have the right of it. No self respecting US Armed Forces mess would have the Union Jack and Portugal’s flag in it. It goes against all the pride things that are so integral to being a soldier. They’re never without the reminder of the flag nearby in some form or another.
*settles in to watch the snark*
Other people’s comments show up right away, but I guess mine need to be examined before they are allowed to be posted.
[Mod note; yes, they do]
Nate @ 33
This definitely isn’t a Halliburton/KBR-run mess… the staff would be wearing the required Brownshirt and black armbands.
Joe @ 17
I knew it, I knew it! The Feebs are spying on us again! Who’da thought?
Joe @ 32
You wouldn’t recognize honest discourse if it bit you on the ass.
(BTW – it did)
Joe @
21
And what a charming little boy you are. You’re making your point so persuasively that I may be forced to spontaneously agree with you.
Back from surgery and overnight stay at the local hospital. Doc says the rotator cuff tear was more serious than the MRIs indicated. But he also says he was able to repair it fully. I’m looking at 3 to 5 months PT & rehab.
I watched Fox news and MSNBC a lot. We don’t get those two networks st home in our satellite package. G*d, those networks are wiorse than I expected.
Joe @ 39
Your delightful vocabulary triggered the automatic filters, but if you will refresh your browser window you will find that your insightful, exquisitely worded criticisms have been posted in the order in which they were received.
Ed*ard Teller @ 44
Umm, isn’t that sort of adding insult to injury? :)
Ed*ard Teller @ 47
Glad you’re home safe, ET. Take your medicine and rest, rest, rest. For me. Don’t make me come and stomp on your house.
What is it with self-righteous Joes, anyway?
Mack @ 46
Also, your second sentence makes no sense. You misused the word “than.” It should say “prefer smartass comments to” or “would rather make smartass comments than.” Do you even know what you meant?
English 101
Ed*ard Teller @ 44
Tore my rotator cuff once.
It was more like a year before I had full mobility. Of course I didn’t have surgery.
Learned how to throw a tennis ball under hand.
(Border Collies can’t wait months)
Hard to type clearly when the froth of self-righteous RAGE is spattered all over your screen.
TRex,
A perfect little gem of a description.
TRex @
47
Intelligent people don’t need to be “babied” before they’ll accept facts. If I yell “the earth is not flat you fucking moron” will you disagree with me because I hurt your feelings?
SusanD @ 55
*bows deeply*
I spent a few minutes on that one.
I didn’t believe that “right winger” and “smartass comments” belonged in the same sentence. Name calling, clubbing, and dragging back to the cave, yes, but not “smartass comments”.
Our closet winger needs to brush up on his dirty f’ing hippie skills.
In answer to your query regarding the picture of Kerry. He is not a viable candidate for ‘08 as far as I am concerned, but, if it makes you feel good to focus your energies on who sits at Mr. Kerry’s lunch table, well, someone has to.
ET, Welcome back! It’s wonderful what they can repair these days.
When I was in the hospital, they didn’t have the Comedey Channel. No Jon Stewart! But my roomie was fortunately not a Fox Freak.
The Copy Desk @ 53
Yes Yes! Nice tactic! Redirect focus from the substantive to the trival, like a typical goddamned right wing asshat.
You call yourself “liberals”?
Rahr!! And heh.
Hit him again, Kentucky!
Hit-!
Uh, hey. Where’d the little browshirt go?
TRex @
30
TRex, you’ve more talent in your little finger than most of the published political authors wish they had in total. Don’t think about the whole pie. Think about the concept, then take on one slice at a time. One way to do it is to just pick a theme and write a blurb—of any length—on the theme once a day. Or write on the theme one hour a day, every day. You’ll have an editable book in no time and you won’t have to sweat the Big Picture. We could be placing our orders for next Christmas…and you could be cashing that first check in January…
ET
If it were not for FoxNews and CNN we would have a much less complete picture of that complicated situation at Duke.
It takes hours to gain a full understanding of the intricacies of drunken college boys alone with an exotic dancer.
TRex @ 57
Ned the Fightin’ Koi ain’t none to pleased with ya’ however. Ya’ promised him a blonde.
Kentucky Woman @ 58
Yes yes! I knew it was coming! Just like a right winger, you really kicked the shit out of a strawman! Nice job.
Surely, you know very well that I couldn’t possibly care less who sits at Kerry’s lunch table.
You know perfectly well that my beef is with liberal bloggers who post factually incorrect things, thus reflecting poorly on the liberal community of which I am a part.
TRex @ 59
Over at Hannidate finding him a woman.
Mr. Teller, well done. PT is a bitch but you’ll be ready to throw by spring training, right?
Bloody hell, I’m starving. I’ve been a total otaku today. I ate cold pizza from last night and an apple. I’m running on strong coffee, cigarettes, and advil. I should go to the grocery store.
Margot @
60
The hospital listed the comedy channel, but when I scrolled to it, an inane shopping network came up.
Like official government reports on global warming, all of my comments must be preapproved by the political arbiters before being seen.
Oh, look! Our troll is back like a cold sore.
Do you make an ass of yourself everywhere you go, Joe? Or are you being a dickhead special just for us?
The only thing worse than right wing scum are liberals who imitate them.
Oh, the compassion! I love it when they care so deeply about us. Makes me all warm inside. Like when I’m sipping a nice dry Chardonnay to wash down the brie while driving up the coast in my Volvo. Lovely this time of year, eh? Did you bring the snowboards?
Joe @ 64
Speaking of things that reflect poorly on people:
“Fuck off”
–”Joe” at 17 above
Mack @
52
Nature or nurture? It’s an age-old question. Could be genetic, or at the very least highly contagious.
How interesting. This site has a very similar, but different photo, of Kerry at that location. Whatever it is. The file name is Kerry2.jpg at that site, but it’s Kerry11.jpg at areavoices.
In one, Kerry looks up, in the other he’s looking down. There are uniformed waiters in both, which screams to to that something is very wrong with the story being told with these photos.
Are y’all tired of him, yet? Shall I hand him over to the mercy of the moderators?
Joe @ 63
Yes, the fact that you have to keep saying that you are a member in good standing of the liberal community is much more convincing than the (frankly, highly embarrassing) behaviour you’re displaying here, which is completely contradictory to your claims.
By the way, I’m a billionaire. It’s true because I said it.
I’ve an announcement to make to Late Night:
Today was my last radiation treatment! It was a tough eight weeks but damn, it’s over. Got through it strong and only lost about 16 pounds. Onward!
Ok lets look at that picture even if it is true… I have been in military mess’s in Germany, Italy, Greece, Turkey and multiple in the USA….. I have NEVER seen a union jack in a US military mess. Also I cannot imagine red table cloths and flowers on tables in a war zone.
I have not been in Iraq but I did see Iraq for Sale which showed scenes of the mess lines and dinning facilities. Of course, it could be the Officers Mess which would be different.
1. Claimed to be breakfast
2. Soldiers are out on patrol, not hanging around the mess
3. Mess times are scheduled and limited due to KBR requirements
4. It sure looks like Kerry is looking at someone or think just outside of the photo frame
5. Who gives a flying fig…..
Yay, marksb! I’m so glad to hear those treatments are done. You’ve been missed! {{hugs}}
3 huge liberal organs,
marksb @
68
I don’t know how long the rehab will go, but I’d love to learn how to throw like TRex.
Percocet kicking in. I think I’ll sit down and catch up on the REAL news….
TRex @ 78
Oh, but this is so much fun!
marksb @ 76
Congratulations!! My prayers for your health and continued recovery.
And on that note, Joe has now been banned. We gave him a chance to make his point and he just kept saying that we were as bad as right-wingers over and over and over. He grew tiresome.
Away, Joe! Away with you! Go stink up a thread over at Kos.
Somebody open a window in here. Phew!
I’m going to go rustle up some groceries. I’ll be back in a bit.
Joe @ 71
Project much?
TeddySanFran @ 79
Oh, I couldn’t possibly…
katymine @ 81
The flying fig did it for me. Everyone knows the US don’t allow no flying figs in the mess. Strictly hetero only.
Yeah, Teddy, I was wondering about that. I was only gifted with one of those. Damn. Probably get in the way though.
Good to have ET back, and marksb, it is great to hear you have finished your treatments.
Don’t ask, don’t decorate.
T-Rex, this is hilarious. A troll like this one adds spice, gratuitous profanity as a substitute for actual thought, and a foil for good writing about what is wrong with the hate culture on the right. Thanks for letting him bleat away about how terrible liberal blogs are.
ET… had the rotator cuff repair in 87 (yep I am that old) and PT right away is a must and do the exercises too. Scar tissue builds up if you do not work at it in the first 6-8 weeks.
Marksb…. Congrats…. I am so glad you completed your treatment.
Joe @ 71
Have any of you noticed how this little blog parasite won’t address any of the items pointed out with this photo? He just flails his arms, whining endlessly.
What Joe, no insight as to why the wait staff of this “mess hall” are tuxedoed? Why this Iraqi “mess hall” has flower arrangements and table cloths with lovely decorations and appointments around the room?
I mean, look, there’s bits of scrambled egg on the tabletop next to Kerry. There was someone just there. I DEMAND A RETRACTION!!
Wow! looks like Billmon took his entire site down!
OldCoastie @ 93
Shit.
That’s not cool.
Sigh.
OldCoastie @ 91
I blame Joe
Okay, groceries. Here I go. Don’t try and stop me! I’m a ball of fire! Yeeee-haw! Kroger, here I come!
Shit.
Still sitting here.
Joe, you don’t care about us any more that we care about you. You’re only here to cause trouble, not engage in any kind of dialogue. So fuck off and go bother someone else.
There have been several “wingnuts” who came to hurl epithets, actually got involved in a real conversation with us and have been back several times with civil tongues in their heads. You are not one of them. Don’t think you have it in you.
neurophius @ 91
Hey, marksb!
And ET, congrats on your successful surgery!
marksb = Wahoo!!! Stay on the sunny side and follow the doctor’s orders.
ET – welcome home. Same (unsolicited) advice.
Trex, go to the store! We’ll be good, honest. We won’t bat around any trolls like cats toying with mice. Nope, not us. We’ll just sit here quietly. Behaving ourselves. Really. I mean that.
TRex @ 91
I will certainly miss what he’s said (I get first dibs on rights to “the Cheney administration” :) ), but, you have to admire that he’s probably come to the conclusion that he’s said what he had to say, and that’s that. Don’t you wish a few of the nattering nabobs on the right-wing fringes had as much gumption to say what they have to say and then just shut up? :)
TRex! I love how you always refer to the illustrious/intrepid/feckless Michelle as Ms. MalKKKin since it suits her so well… but in the interest of “truth” could you please henceforth also refer to her as “Anchor Baby Michelle MalKKKin” since the truth is what we are all after… (plus it will put a major twist in her knickers if it gets picked up and EVERYONE starts referring to her this way. (evil snicker)
Kelven @ 101
Just to be clear
We do not advocate using her as an anchor.
Her parents found her useful in that manner.
FWIW, here is a link to Anchor Baby’s updated assertions that the above Kerry photo is real: MalKKKin
neurophius @ 91
Catching up with a ditto!
OK, back to the thread; who cares if Kerry couldn’t get anyone to sit with him? Or if he got there really early? Or if three people just left? Or if this is from some Marriott conference in Rockville?
He told the joke. It fell flat. Lost some admirers. Has to go back to the drawing board and write some new jokes, like any other amateur trying his hand at stand up. Jeez. With Bush saying shit like
I mean, who’s throwing rocks around these glass houses? Is this all they’ve got?
Yes, this is all they’ve got. Pathetic. Here’s a photo of Kerry WITH troops at the table with him, but so what?
Kerry in Iraq.
Ed*ard Teller @
102
Hear, hear!
A. I voted for John Kerry because his name was not George Bush… Simple as that. that criteria will not be valid in 2008, nor will John Kerry.
B. As stated above, the photo, genuine or not proves nothing.
C the second example(the year old letter of questionable provenance) is in any event more exemplary of a wingnut blowout
Is this thread running out of Joementum?
Nate @ 95
…about how everybody else is flailing their arms and whining rather than addressing his point. Projection 101 is a required course for freshman in the Troll University College of Blog Disruption.
Exactly! So someone managed to snap a photo of some bigwig with no one else at the table. I’m sure if we dug around enough we could even find one of the chimperor sitting by himself in a crowd of people – particularly given his fondness for flatulence…
TheOtherWA @ 112
Much of MalKKKin’s updated authenticity seems to hang on the obvious fact that a man can only own one light blue oxford shirt, or that he can only wear it once. But really, who cares.
Mommybrain @
104
wonderful, wonderful news from you both!
and to make it a little three-peat, my orthoped told me today, “no surgery” or even shots in my shoulder. it’s just old arthuritis, as my second mother-in-law used to call it, and i’ll live without any intervention (but here’s hoping for some better, skunkier pain meds!!).
thanks for letting goatboy in to play, mods — it reminds me of that scooter passage, poking a bear in a cage to enrage him. fun at first, but ultimately degrading to us all….
Quote from the unidentifed marine in the national review article. (approved white house talking points)
Ah ha! So this is victory, still killing after all of this time in an occupation we are by his calculation killing what twenty to sixty or more a day? Heck of a job Chiefy. Hope this marine doesn’t join my local police department when he/she returns home.
TeddySanFran @
119
Good news! Especially about the hope of “skunkier” pain management tools! Lucky!
Gee, ya mean we’re not gonna get a course of “How to Be A Liberal 101″? I’ve only been doing it since 1960. Maybe I’m getting it wrong. Nah.
yup, i live in paradise.
TeddySanFran @ 123
Now I need to know how to make that “drooling” emoticon that was brought out in last night’s “Baklava” thread.
Paradise lives in many places…) *cough*
Also, that Marine failed to mention in that kill rate of 20-1. How many of the 20 are women, children or noncombatants?
Jacqrat @
113
I’m out in the shop building, recording my son’s band’s seven newest songs, so the term “hear, hear” might soon be “deaf, deaf!”
OfT:
This sounds like fun:
So, Kerry has one or two people at the table, instead of a line around the block for Rush Limbaugh.
It’s odd that Kerry has consistently been in favor of additional resources to treat injured soldiers coming back from Iraq, but most every one of the wingnuts’ Republican heartthrobs have been trying to pare down those services and screw the troops out of disabilities.
Hell, most of the troops in Iraq are told that they’re battling the people who attacked us on 9/11. If they’re badly informed, if they’re getting just Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on Armed Forces Radio, if they’re constantly propagandized (and everyone that’s been in the service knows that goes on all the time), they likely wouldn’t pay attention to Kerry–most of them probably don’t know who he is. Hell, most of `em didn’t know who Rumsfeld was.
But, if they come back busted up and disabled, and Bush’s VA shoves them out the door with a monthly check for $217, they’ll find out soon enough who’s really working in their interest.
SusanD @
126
using data from this blog a couple of nights ago, that would be 95% of them. 20 x .95 = 19.
TSF – Not the nude beach? Sounds kind of close. Are you signing up?
Here’s what I’ve noticed about the photograph of Kerry after reading TRex’s article and looking at a slightly larger version at the Hennen site:
* There aren’t many people in the place generally. It’s possible he’s eating at an odd time of day.
* There is only one person there in what I recognize as a military uniform.
* There are no obvious signs of American influence in this hall. Where are the flags, unit symbols, catchy slogans, TVs? Not saying it couldn’t be an American mess hall, but it doesn’t look much like one.
* It appears that Christmas decorations are everywhere. I tend to doubt it was January 9th of any year.
Anyway, I agree with what TRex said at 8:14 pm (#14), that if you’re trying to prove anything about Kerry’s experiences in Iraq with this photo, you’re not going to convince many people who weren’t ready to be convinced already.
Teddy, luv, that’s kind of good news/bad news, huh? Arthuritis. Ouch. But, no surgery, good.
I’m here visiting my in-laws. My sis-in-law has pretty bad arthuritis and is on a capsacian-free diet. She swears by it, but it’s not easy to follow. All her favorite foods and spices- tomatoes and peppers, paprika and more – are verboten. She does amazing substitutions, like using pumpkin puree instead of tomatoes for pasta sauce, colored with beetroot powder and spiced with all the spices she’s allowed. Reading labels is tough, because often these puppies are lumped in one word, spices. she can tell almost instantly if she accidentally ingests some.
Teddy, are you going to Chi town in August?
Oh, Teddy, I almost forgot…’ere. Skunky.
marksb @ 118
A female acquaintance of long ago told me that she liked to shop for clothes at second-hand stores, because there were many women in this country who can’t stand to wear something more than once.
Joe may not have been a troll. But his first comment was so badly written that people responded to it negatively. Rather than clarify his statement, Joe flew off into crazy land and pitched a fit.
Whatever his political afilliations, he couldn’t manage to present himself in a way that didn’t derail the discussion and turn the thread a showcase for his self-pitying victim invective.
Just a friendly west-coast blogger reminder:
thirty minutes to go!
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2006 – 90 mins – Color
Adult Language, Adult Content
In 2004, political bloggers came of age. They propelled Howard Dean from fringe candidate to front-runner. They took on Dan Rather and won. And they charted the course for the “swiftboating” of John Kerry. As the 2006 mid-term elections approached, bloggers were preparing for battle again. Filmmakers James Rogan and Phil Craig’s sharp documentary examines how online democratic activism is shaping important elections by focusing on the decisive Connecticut senate race and Ned Lamont’s challenge to incumbent Joe Lieberman.
ROFLMAO!
TREX- You’ve summed up Michelle Malkkkin in three words! She’s (It’s) been reduced to one simple, easy-to-remember phrase: “Histrionic little fishwife.”
Mommybrain @ 134
Dayum. Now y’all are just being teases. :)
encephalopath @ 136
If you do a search on Joe, you’ll see he has a history of this kind of fooling around here. My take – he is a troll, no matter what he says or how he says it.
Hi All,
Ms. Malkin doesn’t allow comments on her site, so I sent her this email:
Hi Michelle,
I’m so glad you cleared up that the Kerry photo really was taken recently in Iraq in December. Being half-Portuguese, t I just couldn’t help notice the Portuguese flag hanging next to the Union Jack.
Those lying liberal media meisters claimed that Portugal abandoned Iraq over two years ago. Since this photo was taken in the past two weeks in Iraq in a dining hall in the Green Zone, the Portuguese must still be part of the Coalition of the Willing! What else could explain a a Portuguese flag next to a Union Jack in the be hanging there.
(Re the descent things: I’m legitimately American of course. I mean, I was conceived here. I’m not some anchor baby.)
I’m still looking forward to hearing about your fact-finding trip to Iraq.
Carry on,
Joe
Cujo359 @ 133
In addition I would add they are different locations. The length of the table is very different. The shine on one tablecloth. Flowers after everyone would have finished and left is unlikely (that photo is clearly a dirty table).
Eureka Springs, AR @ 131
kinda early in the am, but it would be fun, wouldn’t it? Pelosi needs to hear from her homefolks.
speaking of the nude beach, two “strollers” at Baker Beach got caught in the rising tide this evening, had to climb up on the rocks and then be rescued by the SFFD. All’s well for them, we’re told by the local newscasters, but I hope they’ve got no one at home to explain their “strolling” to, Baker Beach being a meetup spot for, um, lonesome gentlemen in search of companionship with same.
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TBogg’s calling the photo silliness You can mislead a Hugh to water but you can’t make him think.
Jacqrat … you all ready for the screening?
While there could be far more detailed examination of the photo and claims in question, there is absolutely no excuse for the belligerence that a certain commenter displayed this evening. It would have been far more effective for that commenter to point out the disparities they felt were being ignored rather than have a highly unproductive trollish tantrum.
That said, here is some evidence documenting John Kerry’s location during January 2006 when the photo in question may/may not have been taken:
(Source: Boston Globe) Article goes on to say that Kerry was to meet with Olmert and then head to Iraq, making that the last leg of his trip.
Therefore, date of photo indicated by camera does not sync with description or activities.
John Kerry did go to Iraq in December; the Boston Globe again documents the trip, and Kerry’s own blog shows a photo of him with a blue chambray shirt at a table with a red cloth and troops, but the table does not appear to have a plastic cover, nor are there flowers on the table. [I do have to ask why the hell we are paying for red table cloths…wonder how much we got nicked for that, and why are the so-called “fiscal conservatives” screaming about this?] It’s also not clear comparing the photo at Kerry’s site to the one proffered by screaming wingnuts whether the shirt Kerry is wearing is the same one; I cannot make out a Live Strong bracelet in the wingnuts’ photo, either.
There are too many discrepancies without further investigation, not for progressives to take issue, but for right-wing pajamahideen to claim the photo as evidence of dissing by troops.
it will be interesting to watch how much the Edwards declaration changes his numbers. Sen. Obama has been spending a lot of time in Iowa, each speech trying to reflect his belief in the concept of so-called “value voters.” Edwards appeals to those people in a different way than does Obama. They’ll be dipping into the same pool. People are indicating in polls that when it comes to value voters who are also union mermbers, Edwrds comes out ahead of Obama. Every time.
Mommybrain @ 133
oooh, i love punkin! we’ve been eating pie for breakfast for three days and there’s still 3/4 of the second pie left!
won’t miss the YK, mb. you and the brainboiz goin’?
Yay ET and marksb and Teddy for the good health news!
Siun @
145
Popcorn…. CHECK
Refreshing beverage of choice…. CHECK
“Skunky pain-relieving tool…. Bummmmer
But I am as ready as I’ll be! Woooo weeee!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 142
I’m not sure about that. The chairs at the next table look like the ones at Kerry’s. The table cloth on that table appears to be a green version of the one Kerry is eating at. Flash tends to distort things in a room lit like this one appears to be, so it could be legit and still look kinda, sorta like that.
Here’s that larger image:
http://www.areavoices.com/hott…..erry11.JPG
Hopefully, it’s not guarded in some way.
Mommybrain @ 140
I’ll take your word for it. I’ve developed a habit of scrolling past nonsense posts.
There were a couple of posters at Glenn Greenwald’s blog that I swear were paid interns sitting in the basement of the American Enterprise Institute or something. I can’t imagine why anyone would spend so much of their own time writing the dunderheadded foolishness they did.
Pandagon’s seems to have acquired a pet troll now too.
Siun @ 146
Siun – I don’t want to say much since so many folks have yet to see it. if you have a choice and followed FDL this Summer don’t miss this show!
commento ergo sum @ 138
Careless term. In the Pacific NW, Philippino-Americans are closely associated with the fish processing and canning industry. “Little fishwife” is denigrative to Malkin in two ways in the PNW and Alaska…
Jacqrat!
It’s sorta fun in a home movies way for me … I’ll be interested to hear what you think.
Cujo359 @ 132
I did the same thing and found the same and I am going out on a limb but really look at the lighting on the picture. It sure seems weird that only Kerry is in the light. Pretty special lighting affects there. Everyone else is dark and shadowed and in the right lower corner is something red but sure does NOT look like another tablecloth but someone wearing red. Wonder who wears RED in a war zone?
Teddy, Chicago is the one big city I have never visited and I can’t wait. The only thing that would keep me from meeting you in Chicago is a river trip during that week. I’m asking the group to pick another date, but have no control over final say.
We have our Grand Canyon permit for June 22, 2011. Since we have many kidz going with us, we plan to raft them every summer, at least one BIG trip, until then, so they won’t phreaque over the class 10 rapids we’ll encounter. (helps me, too ;)
Hey TRex–
Baseball question. In the title, do you mean they are batting 10%?
If they are batting 100% I think it would be 1.000 or just 1000 but then I don’t know baseball very well.
Dang I missed playing with the troll.
Cujo359 – I was comparing this to the one you just posted.
http://blog.johnkerry.com/200612tripbasrah.jpg
katymine @ 149
The waiters, I think. Looks like KBR rented a bunch of A&P bagboy uniforms for them.
Eureka … I’m the one talking about screwing CNN in the one scene … ma petite walk on (which was a trick by James since I was always supposed to be behind the scenes – and dressed for the backroom, not for the camera!)
Jane is wonderful as is Tim … and it’s a joy to see the house and the pups again!
Siun @
161
I thought this was only a PG 14 movie? Did you get the “Director’s Cut” or something?
Oh, we’re getting close. Must be investing more than an hour a day at this point…LA Times this evening,
Busy, too.
Then he went bike riding, or clearing brush, or feeding the pigs or whatever he does in Crawford.
Well I should hope so.
Lastly, since I’ve probably blown copyright law all to hell already, Bush said
See, we’re just not understanding the importance of the mission. He fully understands this. If he can just explain it to us, we’ll all get it, and he can go down as the, uh, most delusional president ever.
I’ve lifted the photo, tweaked the gamma, contrast and saturation, but nothing stands out for doing so.
However…
– there are can lights in the ceiling;
– there are sheers and valances on the windows;
– the cups on the table are not the same kind as in the photo from Kerry’s site.
For starters.
Rayne @ 146
Regarding that photo, and comparing to the one in TRex’s article (AKA the “Hennen” photo):
* Kerry doeas appear to be in the same shirt. Of course, many folks tend to wear a particular style or color, particularly if they’re concerned about such things, or if they like the shirt. People who are on trips tend to have fewer clothes, as well.
* The soldiers around him are wearing old-style desert camoflauge. The one person in what I recognize as a uniform in the original photo appears to be wearing the new “pixelated” uniforms the Marines are wearing.
* There are lots of soldiers around Kerry in the Kerry blog photo.
* As noted, the tablecloth isn’t shiny in the Kerry blog photo. Everyone appear to be eating from styrofoam plates.
* In the Hennon photo, the one cup I see appears to have a logo or design on it, unlike the ones in the Kerry photo.
* As you’d expect in a mess hall, there are many troops standing around in uniform in the background. In short, the thing in the Kerry blog photo looks to me like it was taken in an American mess hall.
Siun @ 162
*feverishly scrolling through tivo*
3 huge liberal organs…?
BWAHAHAHAHA
I am wheezing here
Siun or anyone who has seen the Sundance docu – we missed it cuz Grandma had to watch ER – does my Sprout appear? He was filmed and interviewed at YKos. Just curious.
A graphic summary of the current work in progress has been leaked by a source close to the White House who spoke only on condition of anonymity.
katymine @ 156
Good question, katymine. Yes, that looks like someone wearing a red T-shirt in the lower right hand corner of the Hennen photo. Maybe folks can wear that in the Green Zone, but I can tell you from my own experience as a contractor working in the field we tend to avoid wearing bright colors, even in peacetime field exercises. It’s just too much of a contrast to be dressed that way when the folks around you are dressed like duck hunters. They also like to try to be tactical, so they get impatient when we civilians stand out too much.
UPDATE: I hope Joe comes back and sees all the work we’re doing ;)
I copied the pick and increased the percent to 300%, the wait staff are wearing long sleeve white shirts with black vests. They are standing along the walls in several locations.
Cujo359, I agree about the uniforms. This pick is hinky and not just that. The lighting right away sent me wondering. Why does Kerry standout like he is glowing in a room of dark?
EvilDrPuma @ 162
Babs is going to be really pissed at him for swiping her pearls….
Cujo359 — looks like we posted past one another.
The can’t-have-more-than-one-blue-shirt bullsh*t will come as a surprise to most of my middle and upper management friends. If it’s chambray, it’s the unofficial weekend uniform, the kind of thing you wear when you have to go to the office on a Saturday, but still have to knock off some errands. And if it’s merely oxford, cripes, even my own right-leaning spouse has about a dozen blue oxford shirts in rotation (they and the chambray are a f*cking b*tch to iron, I will say, and no, we don’t do the high-polyester content iron-free type here.)
Besides, who’s going to take advice on men’s couture from that harpy Anchor Baby?
saddam to be hung b4 new year?
NYT FRIDAY:Bush to send 20000?
ARG polling gives Clinton a lead
Rohrabacher and OKC bombing; strangely enuf hes obviously considered the left enlightment brigade concerning the topic
Johnson improving
katymine @ 164
Okay on the waiters’ uniforms. I must have been seeing something orangeish-red from the lights.
But, here’s a thought. What if one picture is from Ramadi–or Afghanistan–and the other from the Green Zone, or some other combination of the three?
Time to titrate half a dozen drops of oxycodone and go to bed. It’s been fun tonight and thanks for the good words and the love. Wish I got Sundance… And TRex, sorry to nag you, but just write. Your talent and your questing, snarky mind will do the rest.
MB really no YKOS footage, more focus on Lamont …
Jacqrat … the language is … like here!
katymine @ 171
I don’t know too much about Arab culture, but in general I don’t think long sleeves would be accepted in a place like Iraq. Even with the air conditioning working that has to be a bit uncomfortable. Looks more like something you’d wear in England. [UPDATE: Or New England?]
I’ve noticed these sorts of things with flash before. There’s a real drop-off in reflected light after a certain distance. [Any photographers here?] It could be legitimate, but then again you have to wonder. If it’s a fake, I think they’ve done a good deal of doctoring or research to get it to look as good as it does.
Mommybrain @ 169
ykos is a very small part. I think perhaps one quick snippet of audience.
(no opinion on the photo but Malkin says it’s at an embassy mess in the green zone which if true – might explain both the flags and the waiters)
marksb — very glad you could stop in and let us know how you are doing.
Ed*ard Teller — ditto, nice to see you typing in spite of injury.
katymine — you aren’t alone in thinking that Kerry “glows” in that photo; can you flip to negative in whatever editing software you are using? What do you see? Sure looks freaky to me.
MB – it’s being reshown on Sat night I think, fyi
Cujo359 @ 170
Yes, there is background darkening with the average small camera electronic flash. But–the foreground would be brighter. That’s one of the first things I noticed. It’s as if there’s a halo spot above Kerry, but over no other area. It’s as if the foreground has been artificially darkened.
Marksb and ET – congrats on successful outcomes! and extra bravo to Mark for getting through! wow!
Siun @ 180
It might explain that. It might also explain why there aren’t many soldiers there.
I am a super right wing radical and I read this blog to learn and observe but I must say that with all the right wing blogs that I have read i have never seen such filthy language than what I see on this site. What’s with all the swearing? What about all the stupid comments I see? Stupid one liners like”Fitz!” , “Go Trex” stuff like that. It’s like going to a teenagers site. Even the writers swear. I cant wait to hear the infantile insults I’ll receive for even mentioning this. Go at it Chillin!
montag @ 183
Are you looking at this version of the photo?
http://www.areavoices.com/hott…..erry11.JPG
To me, the guy in what I take to be a uniform in the center right side of the photo appears to be almost as well lit as Kerry. The table cloth at center left (the green one on the table behind Kerry) looks to be bright there, but a bit darker elsewhere. Flash may not explain all that, but it could just be a badly lit room.
I also don’t know if in either case we’re looking at the original photo image, or an image that’s been enhanced a little for greater clarity.
heh.
Brad @ 178
Umm, haven’t you heard of dirty fuckin’ hippies?
(!)
Folks – can we pass on the invite above tonight. I know I’ve read enough troll bashing for one evening and it would be nice to let the mods relax.
Siun @ 184
Yes, hang in there, both of you.
Brad @ 186
Jesus loves you despite your hubris.
Coupla pennies:
Hate to say it, but as a photog, if the example photos Ms. MalKKKin has posted on her site are accurate, it appears that the Kerry photo could be in Iraq: same chair-backs, same flags of many countries attached to ceiling (look carefully at the photo in question; the flags are there) and walls (a blue and white one is on the wall in the MalKKKin example mess hall photo–embarrassingly, I don’t know what country it represents), same can lights in the ceiling, same red and green bunting strung along the back wall. Also, the flash makes things look different depending on what angle the light strikes, and what material it strikes. The red in the Kerry site’s photo with troops is highly saturated, and it’s plausible to think that the red in the offending photo is similar stuff lit from a different angle. The shirt looks to me to be similar but not the same one; in the Kerry site photo, the buttons are dark, and in the offending photo, it doesn’t look like the collar button is dark–hard to see the shirtfront in that one. The offending photo may have been messed with a bit to highlight Kerry–but it also looks like he’s looking at someone across from him at an angle who is blocked by the person directly across from him. The table mates to his right may well have just left.
There is no such thing as an objective photograph; photography is a process of selective exclusion.
omg RGJoe op-ed in tomorrow’s WaPo
Why We Need More Troops in Iraq
Excerpt:
Cujo359 @ 179
Yeah. Now it could be that the white items next to Kerry are reflecting a lot of light, but the items to Kerry’s right (left of photo) which should be somewhat glossy aren’t showing much reflection at all. That just struck me as odd.
The flowers in front of Kerry in the nutter photo are missing from the Kerry blog photo so they are two different locations.
Rayne @ 173
Nor would I. I tend to buy the same kinds of clothes over and over. I suspect it’s male-pattern clothes shopping, or maybe just lack of imagination. Either way, it’s nothing unusual to see a guy who’s on the road wearing the same kind of shirt on two different days, or even ten different days. When they wear different clothes every day is when you have to wonder what the heck’s going on.
Something about the light outdoors (through the window and sheers) and the clothing in the wingnuts’ pic strikes me as odd, too.
Basrah only gets 7 hours of sunlight a day right now; average daily high/low temps are 68 deg F/48 deg F. The light from the windows seems odd, as if it were appropriate to a colder place, at high noon, and the outwear seems rather heavy for a place that like late March in the upper midwest.
Hmm.
TeddySanFran @ 195
22 million dollar blood letter.
The nutter photo shows him sitting across at an angle from what look like typical staffer types. The photographer carefully framed him so as to make it appear he was off by himself, but you can clearly see the chairs and table are angled just so. It appears Kerry was actually the one sitting at an angle when it was snapped.
TeddySanFran @ 196
You have to give Holy Joe this much credit: he’s consistent. Oh, wait, no he isn’t. You don’t have to give the SOB any fucking credit at all.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 153
Dang, we don’t have Sundance! I’ll have wait until I can get friends record to it for me. I got to hang out with James for a while at YKos on closing night, and I didn’t realize when I saw the promo the other day that this was his film. Cool!
TeddySanFran @ 187
Y’know, I’ve always admired Joe’s incisive knowledge of military history and his ability to cut through to the core of a problem.
Not.
A colonel tells him his whole unit wants to win. So, killing a bunch more people for no goddamned good reason is now justified. My ass.
We have some immensely tiresome and phony politicians in this country, don’t we?
montag @ 203
If we had only Holy Joe, it would be enough.
TeddySanFran (195) — interesting, a colonel pleading for more troops to win…
Yet from the NYT this morning:
So what is it, Joe? did your puppetmaster tell you to say we need more troops, as payback for the help you got with your campaign? or are your AIPAC-Likud friendly donors telling you this? Or is it the military-industrial donors who will benefit from more troops needing more weapons and armor that are saying this through you?
Because I tend to believe the major in the field and the new SecDef before I believe you, Joe.
Rayne @181
I did flip to negative and the windows and the area right around Kerry are dark. Here is the image so everyone can see. You can see the wait staff in the upper right corner.
The one thing is that the bright white boxes/cups are behind the chairs.
http://img150.imageshack.us/my…..rryxt2.jpg
Kerry’s wearing a jacket that day in the nutter photo, it’s hanging on the back of the chair. If temps in Iraq in December are comparable to what was posted earlier in this thread, then 68 degrees does not justify a cold weather jacket such as the one he has hanging on the back of that chair. It appears to be a suede jacket which would be good for winter temps in the Basra area, say, in January?
lf @ 194
Yes, that does appear to be a flag just to the right of the Union Jack. The other materials, I couldn’t say.
UPDATE: I’ll just add, though, that the way the government typically buys things like furniture, you could find chairs like that at almost any U.S. installation of more than a couple thousand people. They tend to buy in bulk, then ship it where it’s needed. They buy locally, too, of course, but in an operation the size of Iraq, it’s conceivable they shipped stuff in assuming they couldn’t get what they needed in country.
I do lights for a theatre group. I can tell you that there are always going to be light and dark spots in a room that size, even when you try to even it out. Light’s coming from the ceiling, which means that chairs turned toward the photographer will be lighter than the ones turned away. People who are under the lights will be lighter than those who are farther away. So, even if the photo isn’t doctored, it will tend to look uneven. Most folks wouldn’t even notice that sort of thing if they weren’t looking for anomolous things in a photo.
Anyway, that’s why I don’t think that the Hennen photo is faked. I just don’t think it looks like a DoD mess hall, which apparently it isn’t. I also doubt that the Hennen photo and the Kerry blog photo were taken at the same place, for all the reasons I and others have stated (plus, the lighting’s better in the Kerry photo).
sorry for the delay, I am using my cellular wirelss and it knocks me off every once in a while especially in the middle of a post!
The editorial might suggest the Colonel felt like he needed to say something in opposition of the tone of the meeting.
“Brad” says: “I must say that with all the right wing blogs that I have read i have never seen such filthy language than what I see on this site.”
Brad, that sentence makes no sense. You misused the word “than.” You should have said, “i [sic] have never seen such filthy language as what I see..” or “i [sic] have never seen more filthy language than what I see…”
Do you even know what you meant?
English 101
Interesting that you should make the same mistake in the use of the word “than” that “Joe” made in an earlier comment. Did you two flunk out of the same school?
Also, I do see what could possibly be an American flag just outside the window at the back of the picture, on the left side of the window and through the sheer white curtains. The sheers obscure what looks like could be a red and white striped section of an American flag, which would jibe with the American mess hall portion of the story.
Also, on top of what appears to be a refrigerator in the back is a small Christmas tree. This however, if taken on January 9th of this year, would not necessarily mean anything. We all know how slow some Americans are to take down the Christmas decorations.
Looks to me as if Kerry is not eating at all- but having a cup of coffee or something- and speaking with someone else at the table. There is at least one other person at the table- bald and wearing a suit.
Kerry is having a conversation- and not with the troops- in fact there is only one “troop” visible in the photo..
Looks as if it is Christmas time- there are small trees present..
So Kerry wanted to have a private conversation over coffee..
Whadda scoop!
I think it’s great that so many wingnuts have nothing better to do than write fanfic about a photo of John Kerry. It keeps them from doing anything more useful–like, say, coming up with a presidential candidate for 2008 who isn’t going to trip all over his own right-wing extremism.
Cujo359, I agree… It does not look like any military mess hall I have been in. Now my street creds….
Father – Marine
Mother – Navy
Maternal Uncle- USAF
Sister – USAF
Ex- USAF
Cousin – USAF
Cousin – Marine
keeps on going!
Or his failed marriages, or his bribery scandals, or his record of incompetence or…
katymine — nuts, it’s late, I have to toddle off to bed.
If you have the time and ability, try the same flip to negative with the photo from Kerry’s blog. The resulting photo looks a lot more like I would have expected, less “dead” spots and Kerry doesn’t “glow”.
I think the wingnuts’ pic is altered, but not being an expert on this, I can’t say how.
Niters to all you FirePups!!
rwcole @ 206
It occurs to me that the other issue that they’ve seized upon is the date stamp embedded in the photo, saying that it predates the release of the particular camera used. I wouldn’t say for certain, but it might well depend upon where the camera was purchased–many Japanese items are available in Asia well before they’re available in the US. When I worked for Toyota, it was standard procedure to run models in Japan and the Asian market four years before they were built for the US market.
The two gentlemen at the table behind Kerry are wearing cold weather jackets, and a guy next to them is wearing a heavy hooded sweatshirt. A guy near the window appears to be wearing a jacket and a hooded sweatshirt but I cant be certain. The military folks are all wearing winter camos.
TRex @ 216
Or something. Since McCain seems to be the current favorite, I figure the first drawback is going to be his (by then) eight-year history of public Bush fellation. Second will be his decision to run into the arms of the religious right just as Joe Sixpack is finally getting good and sick and tired of them. The failed marriages will just be gravy.
Ok, PGE has restored my power, which has been off since shortly after the announcement that Ford had passed away.
Did I miss anything?
I’ve got a late-nite diary at The Orangerie on RGJoe’s op-ed if anyone’d care to recommend it….
rwcole @ 215
Gotta disagree, I have the photo blown up and his hand is clearly on a spoon dipping into a bowl of what looks like beans or something. He has a juicebox of some sort, and the guy across from him has a tall styrofoam cup next to him.
katymine @ 217
It does, however, look like a cheesy O-club. Look at those curtains. It could be an Officers’ Club on any base or post between here and Seoul. Any other officer brats on this thread? Can’t you look at that photo and taste the frozen peas and carrots?
Here is the Kerryblog pic negative
http://img187.imageshack.us/my…..loggi9.jpg
Doubt if McCain makes it- he’s too old- he’s been suckin Clusterfuck dick- and that’s not a popular thing to do anymore- and his wise position on Iraq- send lots more troops- ain’t exactly winning the hearts and minds of the american people. I think he’s toast- one of the first leaders to fall off the log.
Rooodeee will never get the nomination- so the leader is probably ROMMMM- KNEEE
Suzanne @ 221
Bob Woodward revealed a tape of an interview he had with Ford a couple of years ago in which Ford was critical of Bush’s Iraq war.
Bush held a press conference to announce that he has decided to hold non-deciding meetings in which no decisions will be made.
A couple of trolls scrolled through.
rwcole @ 219
And, wouldn’t that be fun? :)
rwcole @ 226
And Romney’s saving grace is that if he were much further to the right, he’d fade into the mists and re-emerge on the left. They’re in trouble. No wonder they’re spending their time on lame-ass smears against any possible Democratic candidate.
Nuts, I should be in bed, but the pic is annoying me.
See this from the 16-DEC-06 Boston Globe:
Okay, what’s the chances this photo is of the officers’ meeting, and the one at Kerry’s blog is of the meeting with American troops?
Makes a LOT of sense to me, explains the Union Jack — but it doesn’t explain the weirdness of the lighting, nor does it explain other oddities in the wingers’ photo.
You know, they pull this crap all the time. This has become their stock in trade. It’s like the stupid kerning of fonts; they pull some bogus sh*t, then they point to something else and redirect your attention from the bogusness of the sh*t they’ve foisted on the public. Gah.
TeddySanFran @ 222
I did recommend and also left a comment.
Orangerie v funny.
neurophius @ 227
Naturally, he announced this so the public would be able to distinguish the new and improved lack of leadership from the older, less effective lack of leadership.
katymine — nice work; what’s your take?
So at BEST the nutters have Kerry sitting at a table with some empty chairs.
TRex @ 226
That might explain the framed and mounted ancient pistol on the wall between the Union Jack and the window. That’s been bugging me the whole time. Why would they decorate a stupid temporary mess hall with an ancient pistol? They would decorate a cheesy Officer’s Club with such a thing. And they would let in all those civilians too. Looks like a bunch of field supervisor types and junior officers, explaining the lack of tons of service folks.
Suzanne @ 221
no, Ford has not risen from the dead, but not from lack of mouth-to-whatever on the part of TradMed…
rwcole @ 234
Except for the table, it sounds just like the 2004 debates.
Hey Siun,
Thanks for the heads-up on watching Blog Wars on Sundance.
I turned it on just this very minute and since my timing is always impeccable, there was Jane being interviewed regarding “The Photo”.
Joe4Joe doesn’t photograph well. Slime reflects too much.
And now they have Jane commenting on Joe4Joe’s crashed site and his blaming it on “those bloggers”.
And now there’s TRex blaming the crashed site on “fairies”.
And finally, there’s Siun and the “screwed CNN”.
Top drawer!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 225
The “New, Improved Bush.”
All these people have done for six years is sink in shit to the knees and make bad commercials of themselves from the waist up.
rwcole @ 236
not at all, at BEST the nutters have an angled photo of him talking to his staff during a meal at the officer’s club.
GW Clusterfuck has now butchered 2991 american troops in Iraq.
Nice goin spindle dick!
Mad Dogs:
Thanks for the live blogging. Please continue!
I found the Sundance Channel (didn’t know we had it) but they must have showed the program earlier, there’s something else on now.
I still standby my statement…..
Who gives a flying fig?
BTW…. what is everyone doing for New Years Eve?
Glad you’re enjoying Mad Dogs … it’s being rebroadcast on Sat night I think.
It’s like home movies of a favorite time for me and I think it tells our story quite well.
Clusterfuck now bein a tease- “I ain’t a goonna tell ya yet what ahm gonna do in Iraq- ah gotta do more RESEARCH!!”
Chortle- gasp- hack- puke-
Hey don’t ASPIRATE that shit!
Clusterfuck’s struggle to appear relevant continues.
katymine @ 236
Watching the figs fly by? :)
Hell, you were right first off–just bad prestidigitation by the flying monkey right.
“Ah came all the way down ta mah pig farm ta consult with Miss Condie bout what ahm gonna do in Iraq-
Now don’t ya’all criticize me afore ya heeer mah plan!!! Ah ain’t even made up mah MIND yet!”
rwcole @ 245
Maybe he could start by going back and reading some of those briefing papers he didn’t read for the last six years because he had people who could tell him what was in them.
Or giving his dad a call.
rwcole @ 238
Clusterfuck’s struggle to disappear elephants continues. :)
Rayne @ 231
Fairly good, I’d say. I’m certain that the two photos weren’t taken at the same place. Where each was taken, I couldn’t say, but I’m pretty sure the Hennen photo wasn’t taken at a DoD mess hall. TRex’s suspicions about it being an O-Club, might be true, but then again I wouldn’t rule out that it’s a British facility, either. BTW, that flag next to the Union Jack appears to be the flag of Portugal:
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/flags/po-flag.html
Take a look at other photos taken in that kind of room, and I think you’ll find similar lighting wierdness. Could be wrong – I’ve been wrong before, but nothing looks terribly out of place to me.
In this case, I think the “shit” is the claim about the soldiers leaving Kerry alone. There clearly aren’t that many soldiers in the Hennen photo. There are, in fact, quite a few empty seats visible in the rest of the room. Kerry may, as rwcole suggested, just have wanted to have a conversation with a few folks over tea and crumpets or some such. I sure don’t see any blurs that suggest soldiers running away from his location.
Mad Dogs – I love Jane in the film – watched it with Perlstein when my copy arrived and he said “god, she’s such an adult!” which I think is very true … she’s smart and witty and just so clear (as well as beautiful!)
but y’all know that already!
“Ahm gonna give ya a big ol speech soon- an yer gonna shit yer knickers when ya hear how fuckin smart mah new plan fer Iraq is- oh yeah- it’s SOO COOL!”
neurophius @ 242
Ooops…it’s over now.
I was live-blogging? Wait ’til my family hears about that! *g*
I got so interested in watching it that I didn’t realize folks here were waiting on me to continue.
rwcole @ 245
“The Iraqis are gonna be on double secret probation.”
Jacqrat? you there?
(on the photo – the real issue is whether, properly dated or not, etc it tells us anything meaningful and clearly it does not)
New Years Eve will find me here … assuming I still have power :) power is a dicey thing up here in the winter.
If it wasn’t for my skunky meds and KPIG on the transitor radio, I would have been completely out of touch.
Siun @ 251
Sigh…do we ever! Puppy love is forever.
rwcole @ 235
ding ding we have a winner!
Ok… I am going to take my tin foil hat and go to bed…… See ya tomorrow!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 251
But, but, but, isn’t that all the evidence of Satanic purpose that they’ve ever needed? :)
Mad Dogs – well said!
and with that, I’m off to sleep …
g’nite crew!
katymine @ 260
Goodnight. Don’t forget to sleep on the side opposite the fasteners.
So wonderful to hear the good news marksb! Kudos to you and to ET, too. Hope both of you heal beautifully.
I thoroughly despise Joe Lieberman– he is scum. Thanks for the reminder, TSF!
rwcole @ 241
Well, at least it kept them from sitting with John Kerry.
Patrick 4/4 @ 257
Which is, as well all know, a fate worse than death….
Well, there’s life left in the old thread after all.
I missed all the fun.
Patrick 4/4 @ 259
Ah, well, the trolls are gone. They got speargunned early on. :)
montag @ 267
Mean, bad, dirty fucking hippies.
The mean, bad, dirty fucking hippies called them on their lies, which is why they are called dirty fucking hippies. My name is Suzanne and I am proud to be a dirty fucking hippie.
Patrick 4/4 @ 261
Yup, we baaaaaadddd. :)
Yeah, I love getting lectures on morality from people who idolize mass murderers, don’t you? :)
Suzanne @ 269
DFH Anonymous crowd calls out “Hi, Suzanne!”
montag @ 270
I think he may have been sincere – and totally ham-fisted.
Examples? Citations? Typing without lecturing?
Sure, lots of lefty sites will let some pretty dubious assertions pass by – mostly in comments. Beyond that, what’s his point?
“I am a dirty fucking hippy. I have not had a bath in three months. tonight I get a chip.”
Patrick 4/4 @ 265
That he’s morally superior to the dirty fuckin’ hippies here. That’s all. It’s like a drive-by shooting with blanks. :)
Brad @
186
Funny thing Brad… You sure do smell a lot like Joe!
Same cologne perhaps? Oh no… I got it. Same putrid smell of bullshit!
Nate! Hawaii or California?
Patrick 4/4 @ 276
Hi P4/4…
I’m still in CA. Staying here for a while as here I made a difference in the elections. Here I can keep making a difference. It’s much harder to do when you’re an ocean away.
I sure do miss the weather and the beach though.
I, too, am a proud member of the DFH Collective. Right about the war: all of them. Right about the environment, organics, alternate energy, feminism, racism, hate groups, fundamentalism, GLBT equality, abortion, healthcare, global warming, rock and roll, the drug wars, globalism, nuclear arms race, women’s health, imperialism, and so much more.
And I still see the younger generation – even in progressive blogs – dismissing DFHs because they look too old-fashioned, too non-materialistic or simply, too old.
There’s founts of wisdom everywhere for the taking, but so many are viewed as relics of a former era that they might as well be screaming at invisibles while clinging to information supersidewalk shopping carts.
Nate @ 277
Is Rep. Soon-to-be-Indicted (R) still soon to be indicted?
Sleeptime here. 3am.
Hasta manana, mes amis.
egregious @ 280
Good night e.
sleep well, eg, days are getting longer
Oh, and Brad@186? What the fuck is wrong with bitching about the motherfucking bastards killing all the Chillin ?
Funny how some get worked up about mere words while ignoring mountains of corpses at the feet of people who don’t swear (much) in public.
Fuggim if he can’t handle Intro to Morality 101.
Patrick 4/4 @ 272
Just occurred to me that if one morphed John Doolitte with Virgil Goode, you’d have Doolittle Goode.
Kevin Hayden @ 276
Umm, I think the wingnuttery are missing some remedial courses that they have to take first….
Kevin Hayden @ 283
Brad’s just a moron who drives by occasionally and takes a dump here. The other day he was miffed because we didn’t care about white people. Pay him no mind. He isn’t worth getting excited over.
montag @ 284
Snort.
I couldn’t remember Doolittle’s name. I guess “Rep. Soon-to-be-Indicted (R)” covers too much territory.
Ya know, Montaq, wingnuts useta be handy bits of hardware. It’s a shame there functionality will forever be associated with dysfunctional genetic software badly programmed.
Patrick 4/4 @ 280
Well, these days, there are so many of `em that it’s easy to get confused…. :)
Patrick 4/4 @ 279
This is from today at TPM: Doolittle Killed Food Safety Earmark
The investigation into him is ongoing. His legal bills are now well over $100K (not like he can’t afford it since his wife takes 15% of all his campaign donations) But be sure and check out the first comment section on that article. The hunt continues right along side the investigations. In the meantime, I’m working on stuff for Charlie. He’s not going anywhere.
This is how The WaPo IDs Holy Joe at the end of his slOp-Ed:
book ‘em, TRexo
Kevin Hayden @ 281
Ah, I see that you’ve never screwed one of the crooked little bastards into the front lawn before. They make great ornaments….
egregious @ 280
Night e… I’ll be thinking about you.
Mack @
5
trois TRex
montag @ 293
Or lawn dart targets.
Ah, I see that you’ve never screwed one of the crooked little bastards into the front lawn before. They make great ornaments….
Or lawn dart targets.
Good for scaring little ones and their parents at Halloween.
Nate @ 290
J T Investments is a funny name for a laundry…
Suzanne @ 290
One of the things I’ve been occasionally daring myself to do is make lawn jockeys with white people in plaid shirts and big huge belt buckles and cowboy boots, and instead of holding lanterns, they’d be holding six-packs of Coors. Just one of those things I’ve never quite gotten around to doing….
punaise @ 295
Le Troisieme Trexpublique.
Suzanne – Welcome back to electricity! The
rightleft kind of surge. Did you have enough candles and blankets? Is your oven gas?I just stepped out with the cat and got lost in the stars which are in high art la mode tonight. It’s in the fifties here and that is just wrong…could it be hillbilly earthquake weather?
montag @ 299
Or wearing three-piece suits holding valet parking stubs and a cell phone.
montag @ 300
Put me down for at least one.
Patrick 4/4 @ 295
That would be perfect if I ever have enough money to move in here.
Call it the James Wattless Pony Boy. (or was it James L. Watt?)
Or lawn dart targets.
Must be the punctured skulls that contributed to their decline.
montag @ 304
I read that earlier today. They can keep McLean, if they leave the rest of us alone.
manage a trex
Must sleep.
Nite all.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 298
Actually, a matched set with the faces of Bush and Cheney would be fun to do. Maybe Bush and Blair, with Blair in a bowler hat and an umbrella…. If I were to get really ambitious, could have Bush leading Blair on a leash on one side, and Cheney riding a Scooter on the other. :)
montag @ 299
You could get rich selling them. But you’d probably have to make them outa Kevlar as they’d quickly be targeted by urban chickenyayhoos.
Patrick 4/4 @ 300
Yes, one giant gated community with a lock on the front gate….
es, gas stove/oven, wood fireplace insert, gas heater and gas water heater. oil lamps, battery powered boom box.
it is 35 here… great star gazing but too cold… was friggin fantastic last night with no lights all around me. but too dayam cold.
Suzanne @ 301
Umm, can’t be done. How do you lecture a 60-ft. therapod?
Nighters, Patrick. We’ll guard the gate against the neo-gerbils.
montag @ 311
A classic edition would be Bush and Lieberman in the kiss…would sell to a lot of rich dirty hippies in CT.
montag @ 314
ya gotta say it with one of them frenchie accents….. men-auj a trex
i ’spose i shudda quoted but i didn’t wanna risk the wrath of a zig thingie. it was in response to this:
TREX THREE IN A ROW!!!
Tres Trex
trois TRex
Le Troisieme Trexpublique.
montag @ 314
Ask Jane. She manages it all the time.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 309
Indeed it would. Umm, do you happen to know the number for the Small Business Administration start-up division? :)
Oh, lord, I can’t face the catboxes, and yet I can’t go to bed in good conscience without doing something about them.
(waving to TRex) all done at the piggly wiggly?
g’nite all, it’s been fun tonite, see you all tomorrow.
don’t let the bedbugs bite, or do, if that’s what you’re into….
TRex @ 311
True enough. Forgot about that taser. :)
Suzanne @ 321
I spent too much money. But at least I won’t be eating out for a week or so.
I can’t imagine how expensive firewood must be in Cally. We still buy it for as low as 35.00 a rick.
montag @ 320
I know two
1 800 katrina
1 800 takea##
Alright, off I go. Wish me luck. The boys are getting the full litter change-out in both boxes. They’ll be up all night joyously kicking it out into the middle of the floors.
oh geez, es, ya cudda given a girl a bit of warning before ya posted that… lord a’mercy, wood is going for over 300 a cord up here.
montag @
41
Oh montag – FOTFLMAO – tanks!
TRex @ 320
Juan Careless?
newspaperbrat @ 322
I was wondering when someone was gonna notice that one. :)
TRex, they make those tent cover thingies that allegedly help with the joyful kicking.
TRex @ 327
The joys of living with cats.
Must retire. See you all later.
Suzanne @ 328
$300? Wow. That’s about 2.5 times what it costs here in Eugene. For an inexpensive pass and a chainsaw rental, you could cut that in a day and split it in another, and call it an exercise plan.
WOW! I would be spending about 1200 a month. Folks are selling out in California and moving here. Heck you can retire on the difference you save from the sale of a home in CA, less the full purchase price of one here. It’s really one of the main reasons I left SF 12 years back when a fixer upper was 300K.
Gnite Cujo. I’m off to work now while others catch their Zzzzs.
Till the next, au revoir.
Dip your toe in the lake sometime soon KH.
Tis one of the reason’s I’m having to sell and move out of state. Too dayam expensive here anymore.
Oregon is a lot cheaper than here and I can be comfortable (fingers and toes crossed) on my retirement.
When I say Californians are buying folks out I mean driving up to a house they like that is not for sale and offering up enough to make them sell anyway. Just happened to a neighbor of mine in his seventies who was born in the same house. Hope he doesn’t regret his decision.
oh crap, es, that is terrible. how rude.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 332
Not exactly the best of income redistribution plans, is it?
nor is it a good way to make friends. wanna bet they do a whole house remodel on the house, turning it in some sort of macmansion.
Bought my house on a five and a half year mortgage. Feels like a lease agreement with a bonus.
Suz-
Don’t know if it’s rude, but rather forward, yea.
So far no macmansion, it’s a lovely place on the river. Time will tell.
Suzanne @ 335
It used to be fairly common to see bumper stickers in Santa Fe which read, “Welcome to Santa Fe… Now Go Home.”
It is a problem–sort of a small version of the globalization playing one local economy off of another for advantage routine. I worked with someone who grew up in Santa Fe, and I regularly heard stories about people who were born there being forced out of town because the tax base and cost of living were skyrocketing. *sigh*
montag – Did you live in NM? I was in Albquerque in 83-84. My Mom is still there.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 338
I’m still there. Down south in oil patch territory….
Suzanne @ 332
I have never tried to enclose a catbox, but the thing that i have noticed at other people’s houses is any time the catbox is covered it seems to really reek. Maybe this is because my friends are slackers and if the mess is less visible, they let it go longer before they do anything about it.
I personally have a theory that you have to let air mix liberally with the whole mess or the cat litter doesn’t do its dessicating work properly. Either way, it is a point of pride for me that you could walk into my house and never know that I have cats unless you see them. I can’t stand the smell of a dirty litter box.
And a cat’s nose is so much more sensitive than ours. Imagine how it smells to them. Yeah, scoop every day, change out the litter every week and a half or so. Although this time it had been about two weeks.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 335
Yep – we’re screwed here in Arnold’s world. I split a cord with a neighbor a month ago and it cost more than a round trip flight to Seattle. We’re freezing here on the usually mild central coast and drenched in relentless frigid rain. Aghhhh!
Fantastic country. I had a friend in Hillsborough outside of T or C I used to visit. Always wanted to explore the Gila Wilderness. I guess everyone claims the live next to Turner Ranch in NM these days.
newspaperbrat @ 348
We should arrange for someone to haul you some wood up there from AR. Save you some money and build community at the same time.
Down to 34 outside now. I’ve got a buddy who has a buddy so I get wood at less but the going rate is over $300 and likely to hit $400 before winter is over. Gotta remember Jan and Feb is our most wintery months here on the northern edge of the central coast.
AA for wood burners. A whole new industry.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 342
Or everyone with an extra few bucks wants to pretend they’re Ted Turner. Every once in a while, I poke around looking at land prices, and I saw a “ranch” with a large, but sort of dumpy ranch house, some cattle pens and a few feeders and 750 acres, and the asking price was $9 million.
Sorta disproves that old adage that you gotta be smart to be rich. :)
Alright. One last load of laundry to fold and then I’m off to bed.
Good night, y’all!
TRex, you are right about those plastic covers – they just hold the smells in.
The one I’m thinking of is cotton or canvas pup tent kinda thing – is made to help prevent the kicking out of the litter from the box.
9 million! Any water or uranium? That’s insane.
Suzanne @ 351
Davenport? I love that place!
Peas TRex :) Great postage today.
newspaperbrat, i’m on the other side of big basin from davenport – boulder creek.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 349
Hell, I think most property today through most of the state is sold without water or mineral rights. If those are included, the prices are much, much higher. Here in the far southeast part of the state, the oil & gas and ranching guys are like a little club. They hold the big tracts of land and pretty much control the pricing and the rights.
Mad Dogs @ 238
Really? The photo?
;>)
yes, darkblack, the photo…
db – Yes! probably 20 minutes of the program..) They showed a glimpse of it! You are an unknown star!
the photo, which was shown, as well as a bunch of folks, jane included, talking about it. did not hear any attrition tho (but my ears are old)
Well, well.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 356
And, it was a damned shame at the time that most of the outrage was because the nutters didn’t understand it (or, if they did, they weren’t about to admit it).
I developed a new appreciation for the grief Jane went through. ****ing Lieberman. People have got to quit using the word bloggers like the N word! All bloggers are not the same.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 360
No, they aren’t the same. The wackiest ones on the right get to visit the White House….
The show really made anchorbaby malKKKin and the LGF guy look almost normal! Lefties took a beating in that show! And lefties still looked much better.
es, it totally pissed me off that they would first show jane and then follow with michelle malKKKin, as if they were balanced or equal (and i noticed a lot of mmkkk’s stuff shown was very sedate).
Eureka Springs, AR @ 362
Guess that means Malkin didn’t do that hyperthyroid thing with her eyes, and Charles Johnson didn’t start foaming at the mouth, huh? :)
I watched it twice. Was nice to see any amount of attention on the whole Summer of Ned, but damn that was a (gently) biased piece of work.
You know, after our public excoriation ( of which Jane bore a rather lopsided amount) it was quite a surprise to see so many old scabs come off and traditional behaviors reassert themselves…One wonders at times just how little we travel forward on the endless road.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 369
Ah yes…I have her baby picture around here somewhere…
;>)
Joe is awful in every move he makes. He wouldn’t last six months a carpet salesman.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 367
I always thought of him as a siding salesman, m’self….
darkblack @ 374
db – It really was a gentle long drawn out bias on the photo issue but they (like every other media reaction) never went to context. I don’t know why it still astonishes me but it does.
tin men – been a long time since I thought about that one.
Suzanne @ 359
Lucky you! It is beautiful country. We had dear friends just outside Boulder Creek and loved visiting them – but sigh – their rent became so high they fled to Arizona. I was happy to learn in their Xmas card they were able to buy a little house in Choride. Swears it is a a genuine ghost town and they love it. Population about 400. If Bush/Cheney haven’t blown up the planet we hope to visit them sometime before summer. I think it is in the high desert from what I could tell from the map. She especially misses the Redwoods and her kindergarden kids. Sigh.
Suzanne @ 364
Isn’t that just like a right-wing zany…Rip off and run, what a sticky-fingered lot they are.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 376
The context interfered with the false narrative to be propagated. Thus, it was ignored.
Ideally, criticism should be informed by more than subjective biases, but who among us is always that strong? Certainly not I.
agreed
Well you might be if you were about to give the subject twenty minutes of your 55 minute show.
Siun didn’t appear upset by it. Oddly my reaction while watching it was far from visceral. Hopefully Jane’s alright.
darkblack, i mistyped. what i meant to say was that i did not hear any attribution regarding the photo.
my apologies.
Sounds like someone thought it would make a good club to beat someone with. Sucked in a lot of wingnuts that way.
Out of curiosity, who were the other commenters, besides Jane?
Suzanne @ 381
De nada, That’s how I placed it in the original, S.
Unlike our esteemed Copy Editor whose linguistic exactitude knows no mercy, I’ve been known to typo betimes.
;>)
A woman who was an acquaintance of a group of close friends of mine in SF, asked us to come into her studio one at a time for an interview. She later edited us all together into one running story line. It was released in Opera Plaza movie theatre and ran on the bay area public access channel repeatedly for years.
Through the years strangers would stop me with a full reaction to what they saw on screen. A suicidal person. (lmao) Not the real me, at all.
So I got a taste of what lack of context can do.
darkblack, i have to admit that i did not watch it as closely as i should have – i was all excited about having electricity again and trying to play catch up while watching. it is supposed to be on again saturday night on the sundance channel (iirc).
How long were you blacked out for again, S.?
in general, they showed kos, ct bob, jane, john from americablog, john from c&l, and a bunch more i can’t remember. saw suin’s cnn moment. on the right, they had mmkkk, that powerline guy and the green football guy.
db, since tue night right after the announcement about ford passing.
db – Jane and Kos were biggies. But they showed a whole bunch of folks. The CT players are all in it. Lots of Michelle, Aravosis, oh man it’s getting late but at least a few dozen bloggers were in it. Most of the players were covered.
Suzanne @ 386
Oh, the F troop
;>)
Suzanne @ 387
How unpleasant…Glad to hear it’s back on.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 388
That’s good…They did the heavy lifting.
spaceboy too, they showed him and jane reinacting being denied entrance to see big dog with holy joe.
they even had a soundbite from dangerstein wherein he sounded lucid.
I loved the way the camera crew placed individual bloggers in plain daily clothes outside or in their easy chair for an introductory shot. The photo crew did well considering the boring visual subject matter.
signing out for now.
keep a night light burning Suzanne..)
g’nite
thanks, es… time for me to head to bed myself.
g’nite all and nice to see ya again, db.
Suzanne @ 391
Dubbed
;>)
Safe dreams, ESA.
Bonne nuit, Suzanne.
Et vous aussi, FDL.
Aside from all the other evidence you referenced, this is supposed to look like a mess hall in Iraq how?? Where are the uniforms? Wait staff in black in the background? Gray-haired ladies and aging bald men in civilian dress?
Joe @ 10
Wow, I’m glad I’m not the only one who is concerned about this.
Joe @ 21
Good morning, everyone. Paul Krugman’s in the NYT, and I’m off to make tea, without which life does not go on.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
TRex @ 100
You must enjoy grocery shopping as much as I do.
I have no problem tooting our horn. For a group shot of the CT bloggers at the screening, click and scroll.
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..ening.html
What a great group of people (and plants).
And thanks to TRex and Jane for braving the wilds of Connecticut and rousing the troops.
Lorenzo Sunflower
Let’s make “Swift Luck Greens” famous!
What do you think it will take for Lou Dobbs and Keith Olbermann
to get these images featured on their nightly shows and demand
an explanation of Michael Chertoff? I want to see national TV news
crews there at this location with cameras in hand. We paid for them -
Cheney’s KBR built them – let’s see them on TV! Aren’t they proud?
http://www.democracyforums.com…..hp?tid=297
A working coal mine and a shoe factory – to be worked by prisoners (dissidents)?
This grand strategy that is being deployed by the Rockefeller/Israel/Crown
Globalists has targeted middle America for destruction. Are we really allowing
all of Mexico to invade America only to house them at these Prison Camps?
No, I think something more sinister is afoot. These Prison Camps are not being
built for illegal aliens, they are built by Chertoff to house HIS enemies – those
who oppose the blind allegiance to the Israeli flag.
Chertoff, an Israeli citizen, is running US “Fatherland Security?” Why is that legal?
I believe the location of the “East” facility to be in the Hanna Coal Basin.
In one photo – the facility listed is called “Swift Luck Greens EAST”
It contains a coal trolley repair facility and access to a rail line –
indicating mining will be conducted. The following chart lists the
Hanna Coal Basin “RAG Shoshone 1” facility as having stopped
production of 1 million-plus tons of coal per year as of 2001:
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=…..oaldat.htm coal shoshone 1&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4
Did the government close the mine only to TAKE it for their use?
http://www.fmshrc.gov/decision…..42004.html
Read this guy’s take:
http://tinyurl.com/y48vxo
If the linked photos and maps are accurate, odds are these dude ranch
owners are within 20 miles of it…and they’ll know the deal if so.
People who herd cattle for a living know everything about all the land
around them. Trust the old timers.
Silke Simon Bucking S Ranch Hanna, WY 82327
google it.
The location shown below (north facility) resides in a north/south
running stretch of river valley with irrigated hay pastures on either side.
View the area adjacent to the Pathfinder Reservior and the Seminoe
Reservoir IN CENTRAL WYOMING SOUTH OF CASPER on Google Earth /
Google Maps relative to the larger Wyoming map found here:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-…..7403/posts
FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE MEXICANS, BUT I WAS NOT MEXICAN, SO I DID NOT SPEAK OUT.
NEXT THEY CAME FOR THE DRAFT DODGERS, BUT I WAS TOO OLD TO BE DRAFTED, SO I DID NOT SPEAK OUT.
THEN THEY CAME FOR ME.
Twisted logic quote of the day
“Our respect for human rights requires us to execute him, and there will be no review or delay in carrying out the sentence,”
Has anyone read Lieberman’s column in the post yet?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01055.html
Ugh…Try not to let your head explode…my brains are still dripping off the wall.
Also, don’t eat your breakfast before reading, that may prove to be bad judgement as well, barf.
Connie
ConnieH @ 406
I couldn’t make myself finish it.
looseheadprop @ 407, I totally understand. Check out the comments though, at least the Post has not turned them off yet :)
new thread
Joe, honey, please get off the internets. Pfizer just called and wants to take us to breakfast.
Nate @ 36
And what about that jacket hanging over the back of the chair in the foreground? I don’t see a lot of GIs (even officers) wearing jackets down in the hell that is Baghdad.
(I know this is a silly thing to harp on, but TRex is right… it’s always something w/ those Malkin-ites, isn’t it?)
Btw, nice meaningless OpEd today, Joe!
Hadassah @
410
too funny for words in a lenny bruce sort of way – many thanks – LOL so rare in these dark times.
The sorry part of the story about Kerry and the lonely lunch is that the story will go further than the truth. That is what the right is so good at. Tell the lie and you know that the real story will play catch-up until it dies of it’s own accord. People remember the original premise, not the rebuttal.
Concerning the Kerry photo, there are alot of questions that need to be asked. If it is the U.S. embassy in Iraq and I do believe it is. Would not the mess hall be filled with Bush appointed neocons? How many suits do you see compared with uniforms? Would a embassy suit want to risk his job talking to Kerry? Who is Kerry talking to? Why is the right leaning blogs even care? Has it been that slow of a newsday? I went over to the Princess of Evil’s website and saw another picture of Kerry taken the same day and wearing the same shirt in a military mess, surrounded by military personal, who would have thought. I also saw a picture of the embassy mess hall from Thanksgiving
it is the same hall with different decorations.
katymine @ 215
That is the embassy chow hall, I have eaten there. I have pics of it and other mess halls in Iraq. They almost all look like that.
mandrake @ 397
I posted earlier.
I have eaten in this mess hall it looks like that. The wait staff, third country nationals from Pakistan, Nepal, West Africa and other places wear clothes like that. I have pictures I can post tonight when I get to my home computer. Grey haired ladies and balding men are usually contractors, anything from KBR to L-3 Communications to embassy staff to IP trainers. Most contractors in Iraq wear civilan dress and if this meal is breakfast the soldiers would be in the grey PT uniform vice the ACU. Also if a soldier is on a “day off” then he or she would be in civilian clothes depending on the particular FOB they live on. I have been to Iraq three times and have oics that attest that this mess hall looks like they all do, they are all built by KBR and have the same basic design. If anyone wants pics leave a message.
I’m not defending the wingnuts but this pic is accurate, John Kerry junior Senator from Massachusetts did eat nearly alone at a mess hall in Iraq. Not really a big deal, but it is a big deal if they get the facts right and we latch onto every conspiracy theory without evidence.
PS Finally the flag issue: Most DFAC’s in Iraq have flags from all former and current Coalition partners as well as flags of countries that have sent police trainers (most of NATO). Finally some DFAC’s have flags of the nations where the third country nationals serve us food are from. To remind them of their home a little I guess. Again this is really Baghdad, the circumstances I don’t really care about……….
IncandenzaH @ 411
It does get cold in Baghdad, very cold actually………..
http://www.wunderground.com/gl…..40650.html
I’m from the deep south so those temps are quite frigid to me. Also I’m not taking sides or defending the wingnuts. I like accuracy. I have eaten in that chow hall and don’t like it when people don’t acknowledge reality. This is a non news story drummed by by some people with no life. But if we are going to attack, let’s be accurate. So far all the debunking has been anything but accurate.
caelestis—your comments are very helpful. Hope to see more of them.
Caelestis – just want to second RBG’s comment – your info is helpful.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion!
If there’s a valuable issue here at all, it’s the wingnuts desperation to smear Kerry by accusing him of “eating alone” which is just plain silly – and seems so last election to me.
It doesn’t matter where the mess hall is or how many people were sitting with Kerry when the picture was taken.
The wingnuts made a big deal over nothing, as if the picture had anything to do with how U.S. troops feel about John Kerry or his bungled joke. It doesn’t, but so what if it did? They are grasping at straws.
Siun @ 420
It is quite silly and quite stupid. However I believe there is blame for everyone on this shit sandwhich. We have a tendency to jump the gun on certain issues. Anyone that has served in Iraq could tell you that the third country nationals wear a faux tux outift, they could tell you that on many days there are more contractors than soldiers in the DFAC and that the flags of many nations are flown in the DFAC’s.
Yes this attack is pathetic and yes the right is wrong on this, but we aren’t much better when we smear back at their smear with incorrect facts.
Facts matter, the substance behind them are irrelevant. The spin meisters will spin it however, yet if we spin with incorrect data we end up with egg on our face.
I believe right now we have that egg on us. What we should do is acknowledge Kerry ate alone in a Baghdad chow hall and then have the right explain to us why that matters when there are bigger “fish to fry” in this country.
neurophius @ 421
Yes but we are making a bigger deal over their big deal over nothing. And we are (well at least some of us) are latching on to weird theories to defend “our guy and our turf”. This issue is stupid but if we are going to flame them, let’s have the facts at our disposal, not hearsay, personal opinion or incorrect data.
neurophius @ 421
One more thing, it does not matter how big the crowd was, but it does matter where he was eating. If we say London and it is in fact Baghdad, we look like asses that refuse to acknowledge reality. The location matters as it is a fact, the number of people with kerry is a fact but not really important as most soldiers would either be at PT, getting out of bed or getting ready for a mission.
I think I will start posting here more, there is definitely a misperception of what Iraq is really like.
caelestis @
424
It is apparent that you have much to contribute to the conversation. Hope you’re able to join us more often.
is this a typical thread here?
the original post claims the photo is faked, everybody agrees and high fives Trex, there is now clear evidence at powerline and malkins showing photo is real and nobody, including Trex retracts their statements or admits they were wrong
Nate @ 275