Comments on: I’ve Seen That Movie Too http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:48:04 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jim DeRosa http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433603 Jim DeRosa Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:28:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433603 <p>Ford pardoned Nixon, but committed an unpardonable act himself:</p> <p>In 1997 the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) released a document that revealed that Ford had altered the first draft of the report to read: “A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine.” </p> <p>Ford had elevated the location of the wound from its true location in the back to the neck to support the single bullet theory. </p> <p>The original first draft of the Warren Commission Report stated that a bullet had entered Kennedy’s “back at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine.</p> <p>So much for history. But he seemed like such a nice guy…</p> Ford pardoned Nixon, but committed an unpardonable act himself:

In 1997 the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) released a document that revealed that Ford had altered the first draft of the report to read: “A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine.”

Ford had elevated the location of the wound from its true location in the back to the neck to support the single bullet theory.

The original first draft of the Warren Commission Report stated that a bullet had entered Kennedy’s “back at a point slightly above the shoulder and to the right of the spine.

So much for history. But he seemed like such a nice guy…

]]> By: oldtree http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433566 oldtree Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:47:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433566 <p>please, gather people of age that recall the time of ford.<br /> ford was our first 20th Century puppet. he was told what to do by a lot of players we know are war criminals by their admitted actions, and that is his legacy, crime</p> <p>ford has no respect among any of us that are old enough to have been there. It is as though we have lost our collective memory about this jerk, and gloss over his lack of achievements.</p> <p>we have the criminal conspiracy that is our government because we did not prosecute nixon and make the personas that work for us, answer to us.</p> <p>that was the end of america as we know it. what we have now isn’t worth saving, for it is totally and institutionally corrupt.</p> <p>thanks jerry, you pathetic simpleton, or crafty criminal facilitator<br /> either way, you have no respect among those of us that remember you, and you will be reviled by democracies on this planet as long as they exist.</p> <p>where do I spit?</p> please, gather people of age that recall the time of ford.
ford was our first 20th Century puppet. he was told what to do by a lot of players we know are war criminals by their admitted actions, and that is his legacy, crime

ford has no respect among any of us that are old enough to have been there. It is as though we have lost our collective memory about this jerk, and gloss over his lack of achievements.

we have the criminal conspiracy that is our government because we did not prosecute nixon and make the personas that work for us, answer to us.

that was the end of america as we know it. what we have now isn’t worth saving, for it is totally and institutionally corrupt.

thanks jerry, you pathetic simpleton, or crafty criminal facilitator
either way, you have no respect among those of us that remember you, and you will be reviled by democracies on this planet as long as they exist.

where do I spit?

]]> By: Argonaut http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433563 Argonaut Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:47:27 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433563 <p>“… the same zombies will re-emerge and commit the same crimes again and again, or their heirs will, thinking there is no price to be paid.”</p> <p>Change ‘thinking’ to ‘knowing’ and you’ve got it. There are way too many wise old men willing to carry the scorpion across the river just one more time. A pox upon them and the evil they unleash on us.</p> “… the same zombies will re-emerge and commit the same crimes again and again, or their heirs will, thinking there is no price to be paid.”

Change ‘thinking’ to ‘knowing’ and you’ve got it. There are way too many wise old men willing to carry the scorpion across the river just one more time. A pox upon them and the evil they unleash on us.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433466 MarkH Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:38:02 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433466 <p>If Dubya is allowed to go scott free then the only way to properly retaliate against the Republicans would be tit-for-tat-ish and that’s not good.</p> <p>It reminds me of the way the characters played by Gene Hackman and Will Smith retaliated against the evil Congressman in Enemy of the State. They used the bad guy’s own snooping devices against him to reveal his despicable nature to the world.</p> <p>It was funny in the movie, but it would be horrendous if one political party were to have to resort to that in the real world.</p> If Dubya is allowed to go scott free then the only way to properly retaliate against the Republicans would be tit-for-tat-ish and that’s not good.

It reminds me of the way the characters played by Gene Hackman and Will Smith retaliated against the evil Congressman in Enemy of the State. They used the bad guy’s own snooping devices against him to reveal his despicable nature to the world.

It was funny in the movie, but it would be horrendous if one political party were to have to resort to that in the real world.

]]> By: Felonious http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433416 Felonious Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:15:44 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433416 <p>Wow, like I need a nostalgic look back at the 70’s. Ford provided political cover for the trasformation of the federal government from representing the good and welfare of the citizens to the good and welfare of the well-connected. Through the covert machinations of the never-could-be-elected-himself George H W Bush. Gerry Ford was best described by the sour LBJ who referred to him as a man who played football too often without a helmet and his cabinet was a treasonous cabal all of whom have a hand in the ruinous George W Bush presidency. Spare me the sepia-toned reverie.</p> Wow, like I need a nostalgic look back at the 70’s. Ford provided political cover for the trasformation of the federal government from representing the good and welfare of the citizens to the good and welfare of the well-connected. Through the covert machinations of the never-could-be-elected-himself George H W Bush. Gerry Ford was best described by the sour LBJ who referred to him as a man who played football too often without a helmet and his cabinet was a treasonous cabal all of whom have a hand in the ruinous George W Bush presidency. Spare me the sepia-toned reverie.

]]> By: mandrake http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433397 mandrake Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:44:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433397 <p>This looks like a still from a Bob Newhart show! Take me back!</p> <p>But seriously, how can we drive that stake in with the complicit media standing in the way always blocking us? I’m serious, what can we do?</p> <p>I live in a very conservative part of SC, if you can imagine variations of red in SC (yes we actually have some purple and blue, believe it or not). I have been blogging against the war for over 2 years now and actively campaigned for Howard Dean in 2004. I have zero support here in my own community. People are STILL afraid to say anything, even now!</p> <p>What can a little peon like myself, who has already tried & failed, tried & failed, etc. do? I’m emotionally exhausted from it all. I really don’t know if I can go on with this all alone.</p> <p>I realize the msm plays a crucial role in suppression of the opposition and, yes, even now it’s doing the administration’s bidding, although not quite as zealously as in times past. It helped knock Howard Dean out of the race. Helped? Rather, it was instrumental in eliminating him. I do take comfort in the fact he is heading up the DLC and that he has done such a fantastic job. </p> <p>I just wish I could get back the hopeful momentum I had during those heady times when I actually believed he would win. What a sap I was. Yes, that’s how I feel. Thoroughly defeated.</p> <p>I apologize for whining but I guess I’m hoping someone in cyberspace will thrown me a life raft called “Hope.”</p> This looks like a still from a Bob Newhart show! Take me back!

But seriously, how can we drive that stake in with the complicit media standing in the way always blocking us? I’m serious, what can we do?

I live in a very conservative part of SC, if you can imagine variations of red in SC (yes we actually have some purple and blue, believe it or not). I have been blogging against the war for over 2 years now and actively campaigned for Howard Dean in 2004. I have zero support here in my own community. People are STILL afraid to say anything, even now!

What can a little peon like myself, who has already tried & failed, tried & failed, etc. do? I’m emotionally exhausted from it all. I really don’t know if I can go on with this all alone.

I realize the msm plays a crucial role in suppression of the opposition and, yes, even now it’s doing the administration’s bidding, although not quite as zealously as in times past. It helped knock Howard Dean out of the race. Helped? Rather, it was instrumental in eliminating him. I do take comfort in the fact he is heading up the DLC and that he has done such a fantastic job.

I just wish I could get back the hopeful momentum I had during those heady times when I actually believed he would win. What a sap I was. Yes, that’s how I feel. Thoroughly defeated.

I apologize for whining but I guess I’m hoping someone in cyberspace will thrown me a life raft called “Hope.”

]]> By: Sarah Deere http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433372 Sarah Deere Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:19:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433372 <p>and, please, give me the stake. I have the hammer.</p> and, please, give me the stake. I have the hammer.

]]> By: Sarah Deere http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433359 Sarah Deere Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:12:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433359 <p>and, what the hell, Brad, they’re ALL crooks, they;’re ALL liars, opportunists, crooks.</p> <p>We have permitted them to be. A lot of this shit is our fault for being complacent, too “busy” and uninterested.</p> <p>We really do get the gov’t we deserve.</p> and, what the hell, Brad, they’re ALL crooks, they;’re ALL liars, opportunists, crooks.

We have permitted them to be. A lot of this shit is our fault for being complacent, too “busy” and uninterested.

We really do get the gov’t we deserve.

]]> By: Sarah Deere http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433349 Sarah Deere Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:10:11 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433349 <p>Brad, I’m of the opinion that (old saw) if voting could change anything, it would be illegal. That having been said, I would sure as shit rather have Hillary at the helm than W. Than DeLay. Than Lieberman. Than Romney. Than a whole bunch of folks. No, she’s not what I want - but as the saying goes, The Clenis was one of the best Republican prezwits this country has ever had. He sure as shit was not one of my favorites - but my faves are NEVER gonna get elected. Just too far from $$$$$ are my candidates of choice. I still would prefer so, so many to Hillary. But…if it gets down to Hillary or the predictable Repub, I’m voting for her. Reluctantly, regretfully. But, it’s the lesser of two weevils, is all.</p> Brad, I’m of the opinion that (old saw) if voting could change anything, it would be illegal. That having been said, I would sure as shit rather have Hillary at the helm than W. Than DeLay. Than Lieberman. Than Romney. Than a whole bunch of folks. No, she’s not what I want – but as the saying goes, The Clenis was one of the best Republican prezwits this country has ever had. He sure as shit was not one of my favorites – but my faves are NEVER gonna get elected. Just too far from $$$$$ are my candidates of choice. I still would prefer so, so many to Hillary. But…if it gets down to Hillary or the predictable Repub, I’m voting for her. Reluctantly, regretfully. But, it’s the lesser of two weevils, is all.

]]> By: Brad http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433264 Brad Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:27:44 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/27/ive-seen-that-movie-too/#comment-433264 <p>I’m a republican but feel the republicans are just a bunch of crooks. What really is frightening is how many of you here think that the Democrats will be any better. Let’s face it. They are all crooks. Hillary Clinton will give some dum speech about how the rich are getting tax breaks and that we need equality for all people, blah blah blah, etc,etc,etc. Nothing will change. She and her cronies will make billions while you liberals will hold hands and sing “we are the world” and see who can be the biggest sycophant to the minorities.Then you will insult the Republicans (which they deserve) and try to do some great thing for the country like pushing for gay marriage or some other useless rediculous fight. Feelgoodism is really all you are about. Meaningful change means nothing.</p> I’m a republican but feel the republicans are just a bunch of crooks. What really is frightening is how many of you here think that the Democrats will be any better. Let’s face it. They are all crooks. Hillary Clinton will give some dum speech about how the rich are getting tax breaks and that we need equality for all people, blah blah blah, etc,etc,etc. Nothing will change. She and her cronies will make billions while you liberals will hold hands and sing “we are the world” and see who can be the biggest sycophant to the minorities.Then you will insult the Republicans (which they deserve) and try to do some great thing for the country like pushing for gay marriage or some other useless rediculous fight. Feelgoodism is really all you are about. Meaningful change means nothing.

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