fitz

MERRYGREGIOUS!!

Oh lord, the worst ever Christmas special is playing right now and I’m manning the board at work. Can I just go into a coma until January third or fourth?

I believe the world’s largest concentration camp today is named Gaza. And since we (the U.S send large money to the wardens of this camp, we help to maintain it.

I really shouldn’t cry at work like this.

Ich bin ein flan.

Pach — well done. Thanks for continuing to focus a spotlight on this travesty.

Thanks Pach – does anyone know of a link where one can donate to the families? Forgive me if I missed it.

They will come for your sons and daughters first to take the bullets and bombs from the Iraqis. Then they will come for the poor and old. Anyone in a uniform is the enemy. Believe it.

A Parable For Our Times
Bill Moyers
December 22, 2006

The scale of the disorder in our national priorities right now is truly staggering; it approaches moral anarchy. Alexander Hamilton, the conservative genius of the financial class, warned this could happen. Speaking to the New York State legislature in 1788, he said:

As riches increase and accumulate in few hands; as luxury prevails in society; virtue will be in a greater degree considered as only a graceful appendage of wealth, and the tendency of things will be to depart from the republican standard. This is the real disposition of human nature: It is what, neither the honorable member nor myself can correct. It is common misfortune, that awaits our state constitution, as well as others.

Conservatives who revere the founding fathers tend to stress the last point—that there is nothing to be done about this “common misfortune.” It is up to the rest of us, who see the founding fathers not as gods but as inspired although flawed human beings—the hand that scribbled “All men are created equal” also stroked the breasts and thighs of a slave woman, whom he considered his property—to take on “the tendency of things ” to “depart from the republican standard,” and hold our country to its highest, and most humane, ideals.

As stewards of democracy, we, too, have a covenant—with one another.

http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._times.php

And what sanctions will the Swift Company be paying for placing undocumented workers into this situation in order to obtain low-cost (read more-profitable) labor?

Will the children of Swift Company executives be without their parents this Christmas?

Will Swift Company executives be spirited away to a concentration camp?

Thought not.

lemma @ 7

Thanks Pach – does anyone know of a link where one can donate to the families? Forgive me if I missed it.

I’ve been wondering the same thing. All relief efforts so far have been very local, from what I can tell. You might try to email the writer of the Kansas article: his email is at the byline of his original piece, but I deleted it in my quote to spare him some wingnut attention.

If you find anything out, let me know. I’m very interested in getting coordinated nationally with latino and immigrant national advocacy infrastructure, but my sense is the groups are pretty fragmented and not very organized on a national, political level.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 9

A Parable For Our Times
Bill Moyers
December 22, 2006

The scale of the disorder in our national priorities right now is truly staggering; it approaches moral anarchy. Alexander Hamilton, the conservative genius of the financial class, warned this could happen. Speaking to the New York State legislature in 1788, he said:

As riches increase and accumulate in few hands; as luxury prevails in society; virtue will be in a greater degree considered as only a graceful appendage of wealth, and the tendency of things will be to depart from the republican standard. This is the real disposition of human nature: It is what, neither the honorable member nor myself can correct. It is common misfortune, that awaits our state constitution, as well as others.

Conservatives who revere the founding fathers tend to stress the last point—that there is nothing to be done about this “common misfortune.” It is up to the rest of us, who see the founding fathers not as gods but as inspired although flawed human beings—the hand that scribbled “All men are created equal” also stroked the breasts and thighs of a slave woman, whom he considered his property—to take on “the tendency of things ” to “depart from the republican standard,” and hold our country to its highest, and most humane, ideals.

As stewards of democracy, we, too, have a covenant—with one another.

http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._times.php

Very well done article from Bill Moyers. I sent an email to my Senators yesterday about this and I hope others have written as well.

pach- as important as your post is, the “breaking news” right now on cnn and msnbc is the duke rape case and where the p*nises of the 3 accused has been in explicit detail. My god it is 3:30 in the afternoon and this guy has described more sex acts than anyone would want to hear, much less my children n the next room.
How much more news worthy is the topic you have chosen? Ya think?!
Jeez!

Oklahoma kiddo @
4

I believe the world’s largest concentration camp today is named Gaza. And since we (the U.S send large money to the wardens of this camp, we help to maintain it.

Amen!

But Pach’s post hits me in the groin. Hard. I’ll explain.

I was busy moving snow and cleaning for our solstice party yesterday, so didn’t read yesterday’s article on this subject until today, Pach. Good work!

From 1986 through 1993 I worked in the private corrections industry. From 1992 to 1995 I held stock in CCA. I watched the privatized prison industry grow from Salvation Army clone halfway houses into the beginnings of what it now is – a real concentration camp system. When I bought CCA stock, they were operating about 1,500 beds, mostly in the South. When I sold out – after the first articles about inmate abuse came out – they were up to about 9,000 beds. I think they’re up to about 70,000 nominal beds now, but some of their 250-bed facilities for immigrants are now holding over twice that many.

The privatization of prisons and detention centers has become evil. The true scale of political donations made by these companies rarely come to light. The company I worked for set up dummy companies to funnel donations to select politicians in ways which got double or even quadruple the state limit to their candidates.

My focus when I started working in the business was my training in counselng and rehabilitation. But, as the country – GOP and Dem – turned away from rehabilitation concepts in the late 80s and toward the current paradigm of punishment, I was fortunate to be offered employment in arts education, where I’m still working.

The recent push toward institutionalized torture, begun during the Clinton years, but highly developed under W’s regime is just another set of steps down a slippery slope that I participated in and helped create.

Makes me feel like sh*t….

Pachacutec @ 11

lemma @ 7

Thanks Pach – does anyone know of a link where one can donate to the families? Forgive me if I missed it.

I’ve been wondering the same thing. All relief efforts so far have been very local, from what I can tell. You might try to email the writer of the Kansas article: his email is at the byline of his original piece, but I deleted it in my quote to spare him some wingnut attention.

If you find anything out, let me know. I’m very interested in getting coordinated nationally with latino and immigrant national advocacy infrastructure, but my sense is the groups are pretty fragmented and not very organized on a national, political level.

Pach – I have emailed Tim – will let you know what I find out.

Pachacutec @
11

lemma @ 7

Thanks Pach – does anyone know of a link where one can donate to the families? Forgive me if I missed it.

I’ve been wondering the same thing. All relief efforts so far have been very local, from what I can tell. You might try to email the writer of the Kansas article: his email is at the byline of his original piece, but I deleted it in my quote to spare him some wingnut attention.

If you find anything out, let me know. I’m very interested in getting coordinated nationally with latino and immigrant national advocacy infrastructure, but my sense is the groups are pretty fragmented and not very organized on a national, political level.

I just spoke to some people in Dumas TX and have a message put in to the gentleman organizing the relief effort in Dumas. His name was mentioned in the article, Orlando Gajardo, and I hopefully will hear from him shortly about coordinating donations to the effort.

From the Bill Moyers piece:

“But no mere parchment of words divulged the principles that ultimately preserved the union. They were written in blood—thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dead Americans.”

I was thinking this morning about the statement attributed to George W. Bush that the U.S. Constitition is “nothing but a goddamned piece of paper.” I have no doubt that is what he believes. But we know the Constitution is much more than that. I think the Moyers quote describes that well.

I have not yet even received an auto-email response from my Senators and Congresswoman, all of whom I’ve emailed about this Christmas travesty. Do the ‘critters shut off their email during the holidaze? I’ll try some calls to local offices this afternoon and report back here if phones are answered.

Pach, you deserve tremendous credit and applause for continuing to bring this dishonor to our attention. I’m reminded of that prayer that ends, “… and then they came for me.” I have to admit, I thought teh gays would get boxcarred first. Now I’m sure I need to speak up for these families. For no other reason than to save them, and others whose imprisonment will be based on their unprotested treatment.

… oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW

Pach,
Bless you for continuing to post on this subject.

Don’t stop.

Don’t let those poor souls be forgotten

Thankfully, Mexico is working hard to make sure that the Nazis in the Bush INS don’t get their way.

I urge everyone to call their Democratic Congressmembers and demand that they directly collaborate with the Mexican government to make sure that these racist xenophobic mean-spirited deportations stop. Immediate citizenship for all!

Please, please, please, call your representatives and tell them to join with LULAC, MALDEF, and the Mexican government in demanding an immediate end to these deportations and demanding that they immediately pass immigration reform!

Info from a Square State diary –

How you can support workers and their families Coloradans that wish to support the SWIFT workers and families who have been separated and left without income can make a donation payable to:

“Our Lady of Peace Catholic Church” with “fund for families affected by ICE” in the memo-line.

Mail to: Our Lady of Peace; Att: Rev. Bernard Schmitz; 1311 Third Street Greeley, CO 80631. Phone: 970.353.1747. Your contribution will go towards emergency rent and food expenses.

Link to the Colorado for Immigrant Rights Coalition (CIRC) Website

OT,

Someone had asked in a previous thread whether Murray Waas had a book. Here is a linky
to his book, set to be published in February
of 2007. With Emptywheel’s saga, it will be a
1-2 punch… Perhaps they are nailing Waas
for his Plame work… if so, Waas and Wheeler are very close to the truth… how’s that for a conspiracy theory?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/o…..0786717521

Jack

One of the primary problems as I see it with corrections, (from the perspective of a former juvenile and adult probation officer) is that the public screams about crime and the rest, but doesn’t want to fork out the money to seek solutions. Solution? It goes like this: money first, then education and then a job. A decent and meaningful job. And there’s the NIMBY crap too.

I took the time to read every article linked to this piece.
Not once, did I see mention of fines,tickets, or any summary action against the meat packing plant employer. Not once.
This , I believe, is illegal activity on the part of the employer ,yes?

I just found out that a high Tibetan lama — a rinpoche to be precise, an incarnate lama — has been in one of the Texas “concentration camps” for the last twenty days or so. His name is Jampa Sonam and he was arrested trying to go into Canada near Buffalo and after being detained there, was shipped to Texas. He is in his mid twenties.

A coworker of mine just had to translate a better from Tibetan into English from the monastic community that he belongs to to the Dalai Lama in order to provide evidence that this man is in fact a revered religious figure.

He wasn’t part of one of the big roundups, but it’s a remarkable story nonetheless, particularly given the reflexive action of shipping someone to one of these camps.

Another thing, after reading Matt Brown Hamlins piece,Texas seems to be the ‘go to’ place for these incarcerations.
Coinkydink? I don’t think so.

ck: As ever, my thanks. Updated. Please refresh, everyone.

Bustednuckles @ 24

I took the time to read every article linked to this piece.
Not once, did I see mention of fines,tickets, or any summary action against the meat packing plant employer. Not once.
This , I believe, is illegal activity on the part of the employer ,yes?

Shockingly, the Wall Street Journal is not insane on this point:

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Not Very Swift
December 22, 2006; Page A12
At his press conference Wednesday, President Bush alluded to last week’s federal raids on Swift meat packing plants to round up suspected illegal immigrant employees. “It just reminded me that the system we have in place has caused people to rely upon smugglers and forgers in order to do work Americans aren’t doing,” Mr. Bush said. We hope the incoming Members of Congress were listening.

Among its other shortcomings, the departing Republican Congress failed to do anything substantive to address the nation’s illegal immigration problem, which is primarily a labor shortage problem. As a result, businesses and state officials continue to fend for themselves with piecemeal solutions that only underscore the need for reform that would allow willing immigrant workers to fill jobs that otherwise go begging.

Immigration restrictionists would have us believe that harassing businesses like Swift, the world’s second-largest beef and pork processor, helps make America safer. But so far the Swift raids haven’t uncovered any al Qaeda cells, merely a bunch of hard-working people trying to feed their families. The operation involved more than 1,000 federal agents in six states. And of Swift’s 15,000 or so employees, a grand total of 144 have been charged to date with misidentifying themselves to get hired.

Put another way, 1,000 federal agents that could have been focused on potential terrorists or other dangerous threats were instead focused on a meat packing company that hires thousands of willing unskilled workers and pays them more than twice the minimum wage with full health benefits after six months. How’s that for government efficiency?

There’s a common notion that businesses seek out illegal aliens to employ. So it’s also worth noting that since 1997 Swift has voluntarily participated in a government program for vetting new hires known as Basic Pilot. Under this system, the names and Social Security numbers of all job applicants are checked against a federal database. Which is to say that the presence of illegal workers at Swift is not the result of a company’s indifference to the rule of law. It’s the result of a flawed government system for determining who’s eligible to work here. A few years ago Swift’s management attempted to go even further than Basic Pilot to screen job applicants, only to be sued by the Justice Department for employment discrimination in 2001.

No charges have been filed against Swift, but the raid did cost the company a half-day’s worth of plant production. Republican restrictionists who insist that a crackdown on corporate hiring is the best way to chase off illegal foreign workers might keep these economic consequences in mind.

Meanwhile, Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney recently struck a deal that gives 30 state police officers the authority to enforce federal immigration laws. The Republican governor is eyeing a Presidential run and no doubt hopes that a symbolic hard line on immigration will ingratiate him with GOP primary voters.

At least we guess that’s what Mr. Romney is thinking, because he can’t possibly expect that turning 30 state troopers into quasi-immigration agents is going to be much of an illegal- alien deterrent. That certainly hasn’t been the case in a handful of other states — including Arizona, Alabama, Florida and parts of California — where it’s been tried.

Undocumented aliens who commit other crimes are already referred to the feds. But state and local authorities typically don’t make arrests on civil immigration violations and for the most part aren’t interested in being deputized to do so. Police departments from Miami to Chicago to Sacramento say that a relationship with communities based on mistrust and fear of deportation would only make their job more difficult when it comes to preventing and solving serious crimes.

Mr. Romney, whose term ends next month, is smart enough to know all this, even if political opportunism is leading him in foolish directions. The Boston Globe recently reported that the governor’s own lawn was being maintained by a company that employed illegal immigrants. Perhaps a newly empowered state trooper parked outside the governor’s front gate could prevent this unspeakable travesty from ever happening again.

On Wednesday, Mr. Bush reiterated his position that the most “humane” way to deal with illegal immigration is to combine enforcement with a guest worker program that would address the country’s obvious labor shortage. “I want to work with both Republicans and Democrats to get a comprehensive bill to my desk,” said the President. “It’s in our interest that we do this.”

MBH: He’s brown, no? He qualifies.

Link for the Wall Street Journal Op Ed.

WSJ is speaking for the big corporate lobbyists, who simply want to keep the supply of cheap, exploitable, disposable labor at its beck and call without government interference.

For any who may have missed that part of the story, and its economic implications, please see yesterday’s post, linked at the beginning of this one.

Go read this, please, for more info on the Ice capades possible next move.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/…..s0421.html

Pachacutec @ 31

WSJ is speaking for the big corporate lobbyists, who simply want to keep the supply of cheap, exploitable, disposable labor at its beck and call without government interference.

For any who may have missed that part of the story, and its economic implications, please see yesterday’s post, linked at the beginning of this one.

And what of the DLC? Is this group guiltless on this issue?

Bustednuckles @ 32

Go read this, please, for more info on the Ice capades possible next move.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/…..s0421.html

Bad link.

Pachacutec @
29

MBH: He’s brown, no? He qualifies.

Yep, he’s brown. And though I don’t know for sure, it’s very likely that he was dressed in his monk’s robes (that is, he looked different).

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 34

Bustednuckles @ 32

Go read this, please, for more info on the Ice capades possible next move.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/…..s0421.html

Bad link.

Try again, I messed up the first try.

Bustednuckles @ 32

Go read this, please, for more info on the Ice capades possible next move.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/…..s0421.html

Couldn’t find one, not ONE reference to Sasha Cohen at this link. ?

Just talked to a staffer in my California Congressman Sam Farr’s local office who assured me she would track him down and give him my most urgent message to intervene officially and on the record immediately.

Stay tuned. Meanwhile I’m off to telephone DiFi’s office and Barbie JoeMomentum Boxer – and demand a reply today. Don’t have to do that with Sam Farr – he respects his constituents 24/7 unlike his senate colleagues. Sigh!

Pach, I’d say if folks like “Voice of Reason” are disagreeing with you, you’re doing something right. Incidently, why don’t folks who pride themselves on their reasoning skills ever seem to have a good grasp of their native language? I don’t think he managed a single sentence that didn’t have a spelling mistake or grammatical error.

Anyway, this thing is part of a very alarming trend in our government. The prison population in general is at alarming levels, and the only interest our legislators seem to take in this phenomenon is how many new prisons they can get built inside their own districts.

With regard to ET’s comments at 14:

I have a friend who got caught in a “If I give you more names, can I get a reduced sentence?” game. My friend was not involved but he had a shiny airplane with nice electronics that the Feds seized. Never charged him with a thing, until he went to court to get his plane back.

Next thing we knew he was being shuffled all over the country. Sometimes three prisons a day. Each one got to charge for a new intake, him, that day. And of course, we couldn’t find him for about a week, as we were always several prisons behind and what was our connection to him that we deserved any information, anyway?

That is only the beginning of a long, sorry saga. Much, much profit in private prisons.

Patrick 4/4 @ 28

Bustednuckles @ 24

I took the time to read every article linked to this piece.
Not once, did I see mention of fines,tickets, or any summary action against the meat packing plant employer. Not once.
This , I believe, is illegal activity on the part of the employer ,yes?

Shockingly, the Wall Street Journal is not insane on this point:

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Not Very Swift
December 22, 2006; Page A12
At his press conference Wednesday, President Bush alluded to last week’s federal raids on Swift meat packing plants to round up suspected illegal immigrant employees. “It just reminded me that the system we have in place has caused people to rely upon smugglers and forgers in order to do work Americans aren’t doing,” Mr. Bush said. We hope the incoming Members of Congress were listening.

…

So, did Swift’s last check to the RNC bounce?

Call me a purist. But when I see the Republicans getting called out for the same things the Demos (my party) do and support, and get a pass for, I get out of sorts. I am thinking here of support for the Iraq war, blind support for what the Israeli government and military do and other things like Democratic support for things like ‘looking the other way on corporate employment of illegals (at the expense of American workers and union people) and NAFTA, CAFTA and the so called “third-way”.

For profit prisons can only lead to American Abu-facisim.
Someone posted at the end of yesterdays thread the salary of several employees at Corrections Corporation of America. That is taxpayers money folks. I would imagine a whole lot of fine public correctional employees are feeling about like a soldier working alongside high paid militia or contractor. Underpaid, bitter and a little stupid for trying to do the right thing.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 42

Call me a purist. But when I see the Republicans getting called out for the same things the Demos (my party) do and support, and get a pass for, I get out of sorts. I am thinking here of support for the Iraq war, blind support for what the Israeli government and military do and other things like Democratic support for things like ‘looking the other way on corporate employment of illegals (at the expense of American workers and union people) and NAFTA, CAFTA and the so called “third-way”.

Corruption is bipartisan.

OT but interesting comments from an article in the NYTimes

Haditha Residents on Charged Marines: Let Us Have Them

Comment posted by Luis at SquareState –

ICE raiders sorted employees by skin color

According to the SLC Tribune, the ICE raiders in Utah divided up the employees by skin color, with dark skinned employees treated as suspects and everyone else released.

But we can’t call it “ethnic cleansing.”

Then They Came for Me by Stephen F. Rohde, Esq.
http://www.janrainwater.com/htdocs/Rohde.htm

First they came for the Muslims, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Muslim.

Then they came to detain immigrants indefinitely solely upon the certification of the Attorney General, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an immigrant.

Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a suspect.

Then they came to prosecute non-citizens before secret military commissions, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a non-citizen.

Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced “sneak and peek” searches, and I didn’t speak up because I had nothing to hide.

Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, and I didn’t speak up because I had stopped participating in any groups.

Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy because it aided the terrorists and gave ammunition to America’s enemies, and I didn’t speak up because…… I didn’t speak up.

Then they came for me……. and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Stephen Rohde is indebted to the inspiration of Rev. Martin Niemoller (1937).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..ame…

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 44

Oklahoma kiddo @ 42

Call me a purist. But when I see the Republicans getting called out for the same things the Demos (my party) do and support, and get a pass for, I get out of sorts. I am thinking here of support for the Iraq war, blind support for what the Israeli government and military do and other things like Democratic support for things like ‘looking the other way on corporate employment of illegals (at the expense of American workers and union people) and NAFTA, CAFTA and the so called “third-way”.

Corruption is bipartisan.

Yes. And it makes me unhappy. And angry. It goes the the old ‘not much light shining’ between the two parties thing.

Pachacutec @ 31

WSJ is speaking for the big corporate lobbyists, who simply want to keep the supply of cheap, exploitable, disposable labor at its beck and call without government interference.

For any who may have missed that part of the story, and its economic implications, please see yesterday’s post, linked at the beginning of this one.

I agree. But if the corporate end is unwilling to support the outright demonization of immigrants, that stance can be exploited right back.

The key here is mass deportations do not have corporate support, racial profiling does not have corporate support.

The WSJ and the preznit are on record calling for a “humane” immigration policy.

We have to define for them what that means.

Just sent an e-mail to my senators and representative, for whatever good it will do. Interestingly, Sen. Cantwell’s e-mail form doesn’t even have “Civil Rights” or “Justice” as possible subjects.

OT – Shuttle heading toward Florida landing

NASA managers gave the go-ahead for the shuttle Discovery to start its descent toward a Florida homecoming on Friday… …aiming for a 5:32 p.m. ET landing at Kennedy Space Center

Back real quick to update y’all on my calls to Senators and my Congresswoman.

Got DiFi’s answering machine here in SF (415-393-0707).

Got somebody in Boxer’s DeeCee office to agree to “pass along my concerns:” (202-224-3553).

Got somebody in Pelosi’s office to do the same: (202-225-4965).

I contrasted the treatment of these employees and their children with the likely wonderful Xmas morning to be celebrated in the homes of the Swift executives and management across our wonderful country.

Matt, I can’t believe a holy person is being treated this way. It — the unraveling of the great American experiment in human rights and democratic values — may actually be happening as we watch the Xmas star rise on Monday morning.

… oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW

The hypocrisy in my party is really starting to wear thin and to grate. I mean the Bush guys have asked Congress, a Democratic Congress, not incidentally, to provide $100 billion more, from you and me, to fight this phony war in Iraq. What’s the prob Dems? Just say no. I wonder what Olbermann or Chomsky might say about this?

Matt Stoller weighs in:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/12/22/162145/97

Hi ALL! Merry Christmas to so many of you. Good article Pach.

If you wanna see some scary follow up to it, go Google “FEMA Camps”. My site still comes up in the first page or two for this video. At the end of the above post which I did way back in March of last year, there is a link to a newer post on my site called “ENDGAME” Which is the actual name of the actual ICE Immigration and Dentention plan produced by the Govt. (PDF file from the Gov copied and hosted)

Some scary stuff. Now that Ahnuld has decided to give away $11 Billion of CA’s money to prison corporation builders and shiesters, it’s martinis all around for the peddlers of prison.

‘Scuse me for being a bit slow (its kinda in my nature). This was probably obvious to everybody right from the start, but the point of the “identity fraud” pretext has only just really dawned on me.

Sure it was useful to obtain a warrant to “legitimize” the round up. But the real genius was that it allows the employers to protray themselves as innocent dupes in the whole deal. Victims, no less, of the evil illegals.

Oh yeah… a Merry New Year (Eddie Murphy, “Trading Places”).

So the War on Messikuns is alive and well in ‘murka? Oh, yeah. Feliz Navidad, kids, Mama and Papa are locked up in private facilities (I’m only surprised they’re not run by CheneyBurton) for the duration of the Hollerdaze’n’ beyond.

Meanwhile:

French soldiers in
Afghanistan had Al-Qaeda chief
Osama bin Laden in their crosshairs — twice — but did not receive the order from their US commander to open fire, a French documentary reported.

Because you know, there’s not Terra-rist like a Messikun Terra-rist workin in a meat packin’ plant, slaughtering animulz, is there? (Where’s all the White Women? (Cleavon Little, “Blazing Saddles”))

Osama? Bin Forgotten. Messikuns? The New Muslims? Looks like 2 me… 1000 Federal agents, I hope they’re proud of themselves this holiday season. Real proud.

Very interesting write up from the inside:

America’s Immigration Endgame

http://xicanopwr.com/2006/12/americas-endgame/

I’d like to see how, we (presumptively Progressives) are supposed to bring corporate America into “our fold”. That would be a neat trick. The idea is, I guess to convince CEO’s, corporate boards and shareholders of the overriding importance and ‘greater-good’ of ‘corporate responsibility’? Say… as opposed to the merits of profits.

looseheadprop @
19

Pach,
Bless you for continuing to post on this subject.

Don’t stop.

Don’t let those poor souls be forgotten

what lhp said

How many federal agents does it take to screw…oh, never mind.

Pachacutec @ 54

Matt Stoller weighs in:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/12/22/162145/97

Hey Pach, Be sure to check out the couple minute video of an abandoned railway yard being turned into an “Emergency Detention Center” in my comment above. And if you haven’t read it, the PDF file link at the bottom to ICE’s “ENDGAME” is a frightening read. The title of the Government Document is:

ENDGAME: Office of Detention and Removal – Strategic Master Plan 2003 – 2012.

Tell me if that doesn’t have the ominous ring of a Republican version of a “Final Solution”.

lhp, Susan in Iowa:

I’m not letting this go. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

We’re not letting go either. I have not talked to anyone about this who had not already heard that a breastfeeding baby was separated from its mother. I have to believe that the outrage is going to cross party lines eventually.

The DLC IS anti-progressive.

Nate @
55

Hi ALL! Merry Christmas to so many of you. Good article Pach.

If you wanna see some scary follow up to it, go Google “FEMA Camps”. My site still comes up in the first page or two for this video. At the end of the above post which I did way back in March of last year, there is a link to a newer post on my site called “ENDGAME” Which is the actual name of the actual ICE Immigration and Dentention plan produced by the Govt. (PDF file from the Gov copied and hosted)

Some scary stuff. Now that Ahnuld has decided to give away $11 Billion of CA’s money to prison corporation builders and shiesters, it’s martinis all around for the peddlers of prison.

Nate,

I’d heard about this video, but this is the first time I’ve seen it. Whoa!

Check it out, pups. The gas lines to the enormous furnaces somehow bother me more than anything else….

Lou Costello @ 58

Very interesting write up from the inside:

America’s Immigration Endgame

http://xicanopwr.com/2006/12/americas-endgame/

Merry Christmas Lou… Been a long time. How’s thigns?

More than 3,700 identification badges and uniform items have been reported lost or stolen from Transportation Security Administration employees since 2003, according to documents obtained by a San Antonio television station.

http://chron.com/disp/story.mp…..20374.html

Nate @ 62

Pachacutec @ 54

Matt Stoller weighs in:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/12/22/162145/97

Hey Pach, Be sure to check out the couple minute video of an abandoned railway yard being turned into an “Emergency Detention Center” in my comment above. And if you haven’t read it, the PDF file link at the bottom to ICE’s “ENDGAME” is a frightening read. The title of the Government Document is:

ENDGAME: Office of Detention and Removal – Strategic Master Plan 2003 – 2012.

Tell me if that doesn’t have the ominous ring of a Republican version of a “Final Solution”.

Nate that video was made by a well known nutcase in my hometown about ten years ago. She’s been claiming they want to use the Amtrak Yards in Beech Grove, about 5 miles from my house, as a detention center for FEMA. Trouble is its bullshit, I know people that work there who checked out the video and point by point explained everything she said is a lie.

Is the subject of ICE’s role in the murders at the House Of Death in Juarez Mexico well known here at FDL?

So, American citizens who break the law go to jail, and illegal immigrants who break the law go to “concentration camps”? Why is it OK to jail citizens and not illegals? Why the double standard?

Ed*ard Teller @ 66

Nate @
55

Hi ALL! Merry Christmas to so many of you. Good article Pach.

If you wanna see some scary follow up to it, go Google “FEMA Camps”. My site still comes up in the first page or two for this video. At the end of the above post which I did way back in March of last year, there is a link to a newer post on my site called “ENDGAME” Which is the actual name of the actual ICE Immigration and Dentention plan produced by the Govt. (PDF file from the Gov copied and hosted)

Some scary stuff. Now that Ahnuld has decided to give away $11 Billion of CA’s money to prison corporation builders and shiesters, it’s martinis all around for the peddlers of prison.

Nate,

I’d heard about this video, but this is the first time I’ve seen it. Whoa!

Check it out, pups. The gas lines to the enormous furnaces somehow bother me more than anything else….

Thanks ET. I found that one a long time ago. I know what you mean about the gas lines but a friend who designs big habitat systems said it looks like a means of providing heat to large indoor mass-housing units and not the more sinister use the video makes it sound like. Either way, the video is of just one such facility. If you read the link to the “Endgame” post at the bottom of it and you read the Govt’s “plan”, it mentions stuff like the problems of mass-transiting so many people and recommends usage of rail-lines for their proven efficiency of transporting massive “detainees”. Put that with the video which is a facility built at the end of an abandoned rail line and facility and it starts to make more sense.

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 69

Nate @ 62

Pachacutec @ 54

Matt Stoller weighs in:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/12/22/162145/97

Hey Pach, Be sure to check out the couple minute video of an abandoned railway yard being turned into an “Emergency Detention Center” in my comment above. And if you haven’t read it, the PDF file link at the bottom to ICE’s “ENDGAME” is a frightening read. The title of the Government Document is:

ENDGAME: Office of Detention and Removal – Strategic Master Plan 2003 – 2012.

Tell me if that doesn’t have the ominous ring of a Republican version of a “Final Solution”.

Nate that video was made by a well known nutcase in my hometown about ten years ago. She’s been claiming they want to use the Amtrak Yards in Beech Grove, about 5 miles from my house, as a detention center for FEMA. Trouble is its bullshit, I know people that work there who checked out the video and point by point explained everything she said is a lie.

I’m sure that much of the video IS BS Toobz. If you ignore the commentary and just look at the actual construction that is shown, you can see some disturbing facts Toobz. Not the least of which is barbed-wire facing inwards. The only reason to do that is to keep people in, not out.

Nate @ 72

Ed*ard Teller @ 66

Nate @
55

Hi ALL! Merry Christmas to so many of you. Good article Pach.

If you wanna see some scary follow up to it, go Google “FEMA Camps”. My site still comes up in the first page or two for this video. At the end of the above post which I did way back in March of last year, there is a link to a newer post on my site called “ENDGAME” Which is the actual name of the actual ICE Immigration and Dentention plan produced by the Govt. (PDF file from the Gov copied and hosted)

Some scary stuff. Now that Ahnuld has decided to give away $11 Billion of CA’s money to prison corporation builders and shiesters, it’s martinis all around for the peddlers of prison.

Nate,

I’d heard about this video, but this is the first time I’ve seen it. Whoa!

Check it out, pups. The gas lines to the enormous furnaces somehow bother me more than anything else….

Thanks ET. I found that one a long time ago. I know what you mean about the gas lines but a friend who designs big habitat systems said it looks like a means of providing heat to large indoor mass-housing units and not the more sinister use the video makes it sound like. Either way, the video is of just one such facility. If you read the link to the “Endgame” post at the bottom of it and you read the Govt’s “plan”, it mentions stuff like the problems of mass-transiting so many people and recommends usage of rail-lines for their proven efficiency of transporting massive “detainees”. Put that with the video which is a facility built at the end of an abandoned rail line and facility and it starts to make more sense.

This is a currently operating Amtrak repair facility where they repair passenger cars. The gas lines are for the propane they use to weld with. The rail lines are not abandoned and bring hundreds of railcars to this facility on a regular basis.

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 74

Nate @ 72

Ed*ard Teller @ 66

Nate @
55

Hi ALL! Merry Christmas to so many of you. Good article Pach.

If you wanna see some scary follow up to it, go Google “FEMA Camps”. My site still comes up in the first page or two for this video. At the end of the above post which I did way back in March of last year, there is a link to a newer post on my site called “ENDGAME” Which is the actual name of the actual ICE Immigration and Dentention plan produced by the Govt. (PDF file from the Gov copied and hosted)

Some scary stuff. Now that Ahnuld has decided to give away $11 Billion of CA’s money to prison corporation builders and shiesters, it’s martinis all around for the peddlers of prison.

Nate,

I’d heard about this video, but this is the first time I’ve seen it. Whoa!

Check it out, pups. The gas lines to the enormous furnaces somehow bother me more than anything else….

Thanks ET. I found that one a long time ago. I know what you mean about the gas lines but a friend who designs big habitat systems said it looks like a means of providing heat to large indoor mass-housing units and not the more sinister use the video makes it sound like. Either way, the video is of just one such facility. If you read the link to the “Endgame” post at the bottom of it and you read the Govt’s “plan”, it mentions stuff like the problems of mass-transiting so many people and recommends usage of rail-lines for their proven efficiency of transporting massive “detainees”. Put that with the video which is a facility built at the end of an abandoned rail line and facility and it starts to make more sense.

This is a currently operating Amtrak repair facility where they repair passenger cars. The gas lines are for the propane they use to weld with. The rail lines are not abandoned and bring hundreds of railcars to this facility on a regular basis.

I’m not trying to be contrary here Toobz, but you don’t use volume propane to weld High Yield steel used on rail. You use oxy-acetylene. Propane is a clean burning, low-temp gas and would be completely impractical for such usage.

You may well be completely right that that video is bogus. I’ve never seen the place and don’t know any who have personally. But if you take the time to read the Government’s Official plan that I linked to above, you’ll see that it details out the plan for creation and/or usage of facilities such as places like what’s in the video. Not saying that’s what it is… But the actual official government plan does call for facilities exactly of that nature for use as mass detention centers for immigrants.

Nate @ #72,

t mentions stuff like the problems of mass-transiting so many people and recommends usage of rail-lines for their proven efficiency of transporting massive “detainees”.

Last year, when Lindsay Beyerstein was taking pictures of detention facilities for NOLA Katrina victims, somebody linked to a picture of massive railcars being built for the government. They were like mobile prisons, with leg and arm shackle attachment points for hundreds in each car already built in. By now, the government has had almost a hundred of them built.

I can personally assure you Ive looked into the “Beech Grove FEMA Camp” non story and it was debunked long ago. The nut, Linda Thompson, is a local militia movement supporter who defends racists and tax protestors in her law “practice”. I think she may have even been disbarred in recent years for her antics. She is a local gadfly who has been touring gun shows for years with that video and has ties to the same Michigan Militia unit Tim McVeigh was involved with. Don’t fall for the bullshit.

But there IS a black helicopter flying over as they take the video….

OT and FYI Shuttle landing in 4.5 minutes on CNN now.

Ed*ard Teller @ 78

But there IS a black helicopter flying over as they take the video….

LOL…

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 77

I can personally assure you Ive looked into the “Beech Grove FEMA Camp” non story and it was debunked long ago. The nut, Linda Thompson, is a local militia movement supporter who defends racists and tax protestors in her law “practice”. I think she may have even been disbarred in recent years for her antics. She is a local gadfly who has been touring gun shows for years with that video and has ties to the same Michigan Militia unit Tim McVeigh was involved with. Don’t fall for the bullshit.

I didn’t realize Linda Thompson made that video. She’s a militia icon for her Waco movie, which is a bit nutty, but brings up many important points.

I think over the years I’ve become quite hardened to the insane violence and pathological hatred that pervades this country and our foreign policy of genocide over the last 6 years, but this one really struck me as a new low.

It’s impossible for America to feel ashamed of herself these days. Not as long as we have authoritarian loving fascists like “Voice of Reason” to help us along.

As an attorney I’m deeply saddened that the rule of law has been so shamelessly disregarded and we have become an image of our enemies during the cold war, gulags and all.

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 77

I can personally assure you Ive looked into the “Beech Grove FEMA Camp” non story and it was debunked long ago. The nut, Linda Thompson, is a local militia movement supporter who defends racists and tax protestors in her law “practice”. I think she may have even been disbarred in recent years for her antics. She is a local gadfly who has been touring gun shows for years with that video and has ties to the same Michigan Militia unit Tim McVeigh was involved with. Don’t fall for the bullshit.

You’re probably right Toobz. The video has the look of the early 90’s to it anyways which would put it right around the correct time for Militia nuts thinking Clinton was coming for all of them to send them to massive detention facilities.

Again though, like I said in my last comment to you… I’ve read the Government’s “Official” plan for Detention of Removal of illegal immigrants and it details out to a ‘T’ the need for facilities exactly as that video purports that facility to be. One might have absolutely nothing to do with the other but I’ve read my own government’s plan calling for such places. That doesn’t sit well with me.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 79

OT and FYI Shuttle landing in 4.5 minutes on CNN now.

Landed.

Cugel @ 82

As an attorney I’m deeply saddened that the rule of law has been so shamelessly disregarded and we have become an image of our enemies during the cold war, gulags and all.

I have held the theory for a while now that we did not so much as win the Cold War as much as we merged the Soviets into our system. Like a Borg assimilation.

By E&P Staff

Published: December 22, 2006 12:40 PM ET

NEW YORK In an interview with Deborah Solomon that will appear in this Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, the newly-elected U.S. senator from Virginia, Jim Webb, discusses his recent widely-publicized exchange with President Bush over an Iraq pullout.

At a recent White House reception the president had asked about Webb’s son, who is serving in Iraq. Webb suggested that troops should start coming home from Iraq, and Bush snapped back, “I didn’t ask you that.”

Webb calls the coverage of that “vastly overblown” but adds: “I think what I said was appropriate.” He also stated, “This was something that emanated from the White House. I did not say anything about this for two weeks. I said nothing publicly at all.”

So why did the White House push the issue? “Probably as an attempt to try to define me between the election and the beginning of the Congress,” Webb replied “And that’s all I am going to say.”

Webb, a novelist and Reagan appointee, said he had left the GOP when the Democrats took a “stronger position on foreign policy” — he had always felt more comfortable with them on “social issues or issues of economic fairness.”

He called for greater diplomacy leading to troop cuts in Iraq. He also revealed that he plans to “always write” while in office, with his model being the late senator, Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

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Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 85

Cugel @ 82

As an attorney I’m deeply saddened that the rule of law has been so shamelessly disregarded and we have become an image of our enemies during the cold war, gulags and all.

I have held the theory for a while now that we did not so much as win the Cold War as much as we merged the Soviets into our system. Like a Borg assimilation.

Resistance was futile!

Hey, check out Lou Costello’s link way above here. I’m reading it now and it’s pretty damn comprehensive.

Patrick 4/4 @ 84

Eureka Springs, AR @ 79

OT and FYI Shuttle landing in 4.5 minutes on CNN now.

Landed.

It was thoroughly surreal to watch that landing from the perspective of the cockpit video while reading of rail cars with arm/leg shackles to transport PEOPLE in bulk. How can our society be moving in such opposite directions?

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 85

Cugel @ 82

As an attorney I’m deeply saddened that the rule of law has been so shamelessly disregarded and we have become an image of our enemies during the cold war, gulags and all.

I have held the theory for a while now that we did not so much as win the Cold War as much as we merged the Soviets into our system. Like a Borg assimilation.

…like importing exKGB to help design and run the new Dept of Homeland Security?

This is a hoot. Has anybody here covered who was actually WAY out front on time.com’s 2006 Person of the Year online poll when the poll finished? Apparently it was Hugo Chavez, with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2nd:

http://www.time.com/time/perso…..06/walkup/

Nate @ 83

You’re probably right Toobz. The video has the look of the early 90’s to it anyways which would put it right around the correct time for Militia nuts thinking Clinton was coming for all of them to send them to massive detention facilities.

Again though, like I said in my last comment to you… I’ve read the Government’s “Official” plan for Detention of Removal of illegal immigrants and it details out to a ‘T’ the need for facilities exactly as that video purports that facility to be. One might have absolutely nothing to do with the other but I’ve read my own government’s plan calling for such places. That doesn’t sit well with me.

I’m sure that plan exists but you taint your analysis of it with very flawed non evidence in the form of a militia nut’s video from the mid 90s. I know they had at least one camp operating during the Katrina crisis, even if only for a few days, so I know they exist.

Just take the tinfoil off for a few minutes so you can exchange it for the copper mesh I wear these days.

rumi @ 89

…like importing exKGB to help design and run the new Dept of Homeland Security?

Exactly.

Nate @ 67

Lou Costello @ 58

Very interesting write up from the inside:

America’s Immigration Endgame

http://xicanopwr.com/2006/12/americas-endgame/

Merry Christmas Lou… Been a long time. How’s thigns?

Hey Nate…Thanks for the bump. What’s new? Nothing to us…huh? This is old hat.

http://www.theforbiddenknowled…..s_fema.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

rumi @ 88

Patrick 4/4 @ 84

Eureka Springs, AR @ 79

OT and FYI Shuttle landing in 4.5 minutes on CNN now.

Landed.

It was thoroughly surreal to watch that landing from the perspective of the cockpit video while reading of rail cars with arm/leg shackles to transport PEOPLE in bulk. How can our society be moving in such opposite directions?

And we wouldn’t have the shuttle if not for the imported Nazis after WWII.

The copper mesh is a good idea but copper has been high lately. I wonder if something could be done with mylar, like the stuff Time used to weasel out of the Chavez/Ahmd vote runoff.

Lou Costello @ 94

And we wouldn’t have the shuttle if not for the imported Nazis after WWII.

…and that brings us full circle to the war-profitting friends and family of another infamous Bush. It is indeed a small world (but I’d hate to have to paint it…S Wright)

“If you believe God came to earth in the form of a child as a gift to the world, what does that make you, when you put swaddling babes and their mothers in Christmas concentration camps?”

A wingnut.

This had been a supplemental edition of simple answers to simple questions.

Also-

It has been my privilege to know several highly regarded Tibetan lamas, including the late Dudjum Rinpoche, the wonderful Galtro Rinpoche, formerly abbot of the Dromang Monestary and Orgyen Kusum Lingpa Rinpoche, one of the teachers of the Dalai Lama. From my understanding a lama caught in such a situation would probably be looking at the whole incident with a slightly bemused detachment and a feeling of pity for their jailers. After all, they believe in Karma.

new thread

Lou Costello @ 94

OT and FYI Shuttle landing in 4.5 minutes on CNN now.

Landed.

It was thoroughly surreal to watch that landing from the perspective of the cockpit video while reading of rail cars with arm/leg shackles to transport PEOPLE in bulk. How can our society be moving in such opposite directions?

And we wouldn’t have the shuttle if not for the imported Nazis after WWII.

Not like before WWII, when we had our very own Nazis. Immigration is killing this country I tell ya.

rumi @ 95

The copper mesh is a good idea but copper has been high lately. I wonder if something could be done with mylar, like the stuff Time used to weasel out of the Chavez/Ahmd vote runoff.

Its a unique property within copper that blocks the gubmint mind control/HAARP frequencies. Mylar was developed by the military so I’m thinking I will stick to the copper, pay the premium as a cost of being safe.

twolf1 @ 98

new thread

It might be my fault that this one broke and we had to get a new one…sorry.

Lou Costello @
94

rumi @ 88

Patrick 4/4 @ 84

Eureka Springs, AR @ 79

OT and FYI Shuttle landing in 4.5 minutes on CNN now.

Landed.

It was thoroughly surreal to watch that landing from the perspective of the cockpit video while reading of rail cars with arm/leg shackles to transport PEOPLE in bulk. How can our society be moving in such opposite directions?

And we wouldn’t have the shuttle if not for the imported Nazis after WWII.

After Sputnik I went up, my favorite quote was from that sage guru, Alfred E. Newman. I think the December 1957 issue of “Mad” Magazine had Newman saying “All this proves is that their German scientists are better than our German scientists.”

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 91

Nate @ 83

You’re probably right Toobz. The video has the look of the early 90’s to it anyways which would put it right around the correct time for Militia nuts thinking Clinton was coming for all of them to send them to massive detention facilities.

Again though, like I said in my last comment to you… I’ve read the Government’s “Official” plan for Detention of Removal of illegal immigrants and it details out to a ‘T’ the need for facilities exactly as that video purports that facility to be. One might have absolutely nothing to do with the other but I’ve read my own government’s plan calling for such places. That doesn’t sit well with me.

I’m sure that plan exists but you taint your analysis of it with very flawed non evidence in the form of a militia nut’s video from the mid 90s. I know they had at least one camp operating during the Katrina crisis, even if only for a few days, so I know they exist.

Just take the tinfoil off for a few minutes so you can exchange it for the copper mesh I wear these days.

Actually I use a stainless steel salad bowl turned upside down to provide directionality for the satellite phone antenna sticking through the hole drilled in the bottom of it.

I don’t worry about blocking telepathic thought-sucking ray gun gamma-waves from outer-space. Nope…

Having been a part of the ‘big-brother’ collective, I save my truth-seeking paranoia for the real threat. Our own worse selves (i.e. neocons, theocons, authoritarian jackboots) taking over civilization as we know it.

For instance when I have a personal conversation with Sen. Dan Inouye, a hero, a mentor and an idol to me and ask him about his appearance at THIS Senate hearing about Iran-Contra and he clams up on me like nothing I’d ever seen. Like a man ashamed of his actions. And I remember that this man was interned at a concentration camp for Japanese ancestry American Citizens where he volunteered for the US Army and became a Medal of Honor winner and the stuff of legends.

Oakie Kiddo,
As to Hamilton’s cogent warning of humanity’s unresolvable dichotomy between our spirits’ foreknowledge, our minds’ machinizations, and our bodies’ assumptions; let’s aknowledge that we are a parasitic life form, and like any organism tend to follow a course defined by maximum accomodation in environment tempered by minimal expenditure in effort. Are we doomed? No, methinks… just insecure, greedy, and not inclined to self-sacrifice. Yet through the only known cure for fearful actions; spelled L O V E , mankind could arbitrate within itself an evolutionary plateau technologically intelligent and morally compassionate enough to retain squatting rights on this good earth. I’m so grateful that, to date, this rock we all spin on is too large for those hate-mongering demons to have snatched up for their beloved “final atonement” of the rest of us. Suffice to say, our upper-class’ canabalistic clinging to the corpse of their petrochemical wet nurse must stop, for the good of all.
Speaking of OPEC, one of its founding nations, Venezuela, now exemplifies what NAFTA and other corrupt economic/trade practices pursued by the elite since the Reagan era has precipitated for our browner breatheren to the south. That nation’s children are now born into debt, in fact owned by the International Monetary Fund.
Not surprisingly, the plan to enlarge/refurbish the U.S.’s concentration compounds was predicated on an anticipated “migrant problem”, but actually hit its stride as the “New World Order” (with its M.B.A.) realized the benefits of horizontal and vertical integration when applied to a social model, but in retrograde. First, George the Elder suspended his citizenry’s probable cause / search-and-seizure protections with regard to arrest. Subsequently, his vile spawn’s subhuman thugs eviscerated every other significant safeguard we had to protect us from a despotic government (probable cause, habeus corpus, hell, due process in general), while concurrently dismantling this society’s major support structures (Social Security, our budget surplus, the industrial/production sector of our economy), and perverting the values of our middle class (prison guards have averaged three times the annual increase in salary as compared to school teachers). Can you imagine what G III’s regime will be like? Napoleon would blush!
Okay, back on topic, the beauty of this End-Run gig is that for the neo-cons (power-elite, bilderbergers, 39th level masonic templars, whatever), this country will continue to render tribute unto them, even while the vast majority of its population is held in isolated concentration camps. The U.S. set an international precedent by unilaterally installing a foreign military as police force in a formerly sovereign nation, and to underwrite the tremendous material cost of this action, the aforementioned monsters auctioned off our national debt to the only country in the world with sufficient trade leverage on us to write the checks; China. The Serene Nation of 1000 Ages will be most happy to provide Haliburton with the best camp security forces our diseased dead presidents can buy. Did anyone notice that Bush& Co. didn’t start hard-pitching “Nuke Iraqi Freedom” nightmare to us until OPEC announced that it had to refuse China’s upcoming yearly petroleum call based on inability to supply?

To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way) who are being hurt by our government’s actions against their parents: I’m tired of you people. I’m tired of your hate, your self-righteous fuck-ass attitudes toward those less-fortunate than you. I’m tired of you using religion as a murder weapon and bludgeon.

These children you love to hate are real, living human beings. But, I keep forgetting that you assholes of the right only care about children when they’re fetuses. Once they’re born, you could hardly care less about them. And, if they’re brown, why you huys just hug yourselves in righteous hatred.

So, go away you nasty little people. GO fuck yourselves. And please stop calling yourselves patriotic Americans. You’re not. And you’re not Christians either. And you never will be. I don’t know what you are, but you’re not people that I would recognize as human beings. You make me sick with your hatred toward anything that doesn’t meet your increasingly retarded (im)moral values.

(stepping down from soapbox and looking for people who care about others)

-ck- @ 21

Info from a Square State diary –

How you can support workers and their families Coloradans that wish to support the SWIFT workers and families who have been separated and left without income can make a donation payable to:

“Our Lady of Peace Catholic Church” with “fund for families affected by ICE” in the memo-line.

Mail to: Our Lady of Peace; Att: Rev. Bernard Schmitz; 1311 Third Street Greeley, CO 80631. Phone: 970.353.1747. Your contribution will go towards emergency rent and food expenses.

Link to the Colorado for Immigrant Rights Coalition (CIRC) Website

I know this sounds trite. But could they set up a paypal thing so we can contribute to relief efforts by credit card? This whole thing really bothers me and I want those kids to feel someone cares even if it comes in the form of mojo. I don’t know what else to do, because one of my congress critters is HoJoe.

You illegal sympathizers are PATHETIC and you are TRAITORS to our country. Your attempts to frame this as a Nazi Holocaust is INSULTING to Jews.

This is plain and simple LAW ENFORCEMENT. Illegal aliens are here umm.. ILLEGALLY and we as a country have every right to SEND THEM HOME. We have 12 million to send home. You keep up this HORSE SHIT TALK AND WE WILL WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM AND YOU trust me.

dejah @
105

To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way)

The idiotic DISTORTION of the 14th Amendment making these ANCHOR BABIES American Citizens has gone on too long. Illegals come here to plop their babies on our soil at OUR COST and we have had enough. The parents are illegal and they will be sent home. If they want to keep their families together then LET THEM TAKE THE ANCHOR BABIES WITH THEM.

These children of illegals have NO RIGHT to be American Citizens because they happened to have slid out of their mother’s womb in an American hospital or perhaps in a pay toilet in the field. These children are being USED by illegal aliens to get a ticket to stay in the US and we are sick of it.

WE WANT THEM ALL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY

Oh and FURTHERMORE.. Who the FLOCK is spewing hate here? The people saying the law enforcment raids are like Hitler in Nazi Germany? If that isn’t HATEFUL SPEECH and in fact qualifies as a HATE CRIME I don’t know what is. You people love to point the finger at us for saying hateful things. well you people started the HATE by even daring to compare this to the Holocaust. You are out of your minds and you must think Americans are stupid to fall for this complete HORSE SHIT.

As it’s Christmas and I have children I guess I’ll go on a robbery spree and hope that you all will come rushing to my aid as my children will be separated from me if I get caught breaking the law. Why is it you will rush to the defense of these people, and not the other brown/black people incarcerated. Try jumping the border into Mexico and DEMAND social services then see what happens to your whinny white ass.

dejah @
105

(stepping down from soapbox and looking for people who care about others)

you know what I care about you slobbering liberal? I care about the millions of Americans who have had their IDENTITIES STOLEN and used by illegal aliens but oh wait they just want to work right? I care about the victims of MURDER and RAPE by illegal aliens.. like Adrienne Shelley and thousands more. More Americans have been killed by illegal aliens than soldiers have died in Iraq. That’s what I care about you commie pig.

Zorro @ 108

dejah @
105

To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way)

The idiotic DISTORTION of the 14th Amendment making these ANCHOR BABIES American Citizens has gone on too long. Illegals come here to plop their babies on our soil at OUR COST and we have had enough. The parents are illegal and they will be sent home. If they want to keep their families together then LET THEM TAKE THE ANCHOR BABIES WITH THEM.

These children of illegals have NO RIGHT to be American Citizens because they happened to have slid out of their mother’s womb in an American hospital or perhaps in a pay toilet in the field. These children are being USED by illegal aliens to get a ticket to stay in the US and we are sick of it.

WE WANT THEM ALL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY

Thank you for your comment, at last someone with a freaking brain larger than a walnut. You probably live in the southwest and are experiencing the problem first hand. Unlike all these cry baby gated community types in the north east. If they faced what we face here in the southwest everyday they’d be crying like babys for relief. Your time will come…

After conducting a 12 month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006 , it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally.

There were 1500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. Police reports, public records, interviews with police, and media accounts were all included. Offenders were located in 36 states, but it is clear, that the most of the offenders were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was number one, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York, and Florida.

Based on population numbers of 12,000,000 illegal immigrants and the fact that young males make up more of this population than the general U.S. population, sex offenders in the illegal immigrant group make up a higher percentage. When examining ICE reports and public records, it is consistent to find sex offenders comprising 2% of illegals apprehended. Based on this 2% figure, which is conservative, there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States.

This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day. The 1500 offenders in this study had a total of 5,999 victims. Each sex offender averaged 4 victims. This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study.

Victims:
Of the 1500 cases reviewed, 525 (35%) were child molestations, 358 (24%) were rapes, and 617 (41%) were sexual homicides and serial murders. Of the child molestations, 47% of the victims were Hispanic, 36% were Caucasian, 8% were Asian, 6% were African American, and 3% were other nationalities. In most instances, the offenders were familiar with their victims. In fact, 82% of the victims were known to their attackers. The other 18% were molested by strangers. In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims’ homes. Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6.

In rape cases, the offenders were less likely to know their victims. Only 64% of the victims knew their attackers. Furthermore, rape victims proved to be more diverse than child molestation victims. Hispanic and Caucasian victims were identical at 35% each.

The next most likely victims were African American women, and other nationalities comprised the remainder. These women suffered brutal attacks. Commonly, a weapon was used to control the victims. These weapons were most often sharp instruments. And the victims were beaten during the rapes over 70% of the time. Offenders engaged in sodomy in 67% of the attacks, and gang rape took place in .007% of the cases. Rape victims ranged in age from 16-79 and averaged age 23.

Serial rapists accounted for 3% of all illegal immigrant rapists. Each serial rapist averaged 5 victims, with the number of victims ranging from 2 to 11. Two serial rapists were confirmed HIV positive, and another offender had a venereal disease.

The murders were the worst of the sex crimes and were especially vicious. The most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims. Not only were victims raped, but some (6%) were mutilated. The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities. Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing. Caucasians were more likely to become victims of sexual homicide committed by illegal immigrants. Hispanics were second, and African Americans were third. Victims of sexual homicides averaged age 42. However, victims ranged in age from 16-81.

Serial killers accounted for .005% of the sex crimes. The serial killers averaged 9 victims per offender. Victim choice centered on victims the offenders did not know. Each serial killer targeted men and women, but females were higher, making up 73%. Illegal immigrant serial killers were more likely to strike in the West and the Southern United States.

Victim socioeconomic status changed for each type of crime. Those who fell victim to child molestation tended to be from a lower socioeconomic status than those who were raped and those who were raped and murdered. In fact, 57% of those rape/murdered were from the upper middle class.

There was an especially disturbing finding that in 22% of all sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants, victims with physical and mental disabilities were targeted. These disabled victims were each under age 18. In those cases, the perpetrators knew their victims.

Offenders:
The average age of illegal immigrants who were sex offenders was 27, but they ranged in age from 16-69. Child molesters tended to be older, averaging age 32. The average age of rapists was 26, and murderers averaged age 28. There is a trend that these offenders are becoming younger. For example, in 2006, the average age of sex offender illegal immigrants was 20. The highest number came from Mexico. El Salvador was the original home to the next highest number of sexual offenders. Other countries of origin included: Brazil, China, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico*, Russia, and Vietnam.

They averaged 4 victims per offender. Nearly 63% had been deported on another offense prior to the sex crime. There was an average of 3 years of committing crimes such as DUI, assaults, or drug related offenses prior to being apprehended for a sexual offense.

Alcohol and drug use seemingly played a large role in these crimes. In fact, 81% of offenders were drinking or using drugs prior to offending. Rapists and killers were more likely to use alcohol and drugs consistently than child molesters.

Offenders had the use of a vehicle in 78% of the cases. However, the vehicles were only owned by those offenders 54% of the time. In the other instances, the offenders either borrowed or stole the vehicle.

Many offenders were unkempt in appearance and worked with their hands. They were transient in that they went where work took them. Therefore, only 25% were stable within a community. Further, in 31% of the crimes, the offenders entered into the communities where they offended within 2 months of the commission of their sex offenses. However, many, 79%, had been in the U.S. for more than one year before being arrested for a sex crime, and they were typically known to the Criminal Justice system for prior, less serious offenses before they molested, raped, or murdered.

There was a trend to be single while offending, as only 23% were married at the time of their crimes. Most were known to date quite a bit and have derogatory views of females. Domestic violence was common as well, as nearly half of those with spouses or significant others had a history of domestic abuse.

Nearly 35% were considered religious and even more, 59% had been raised in a religious home. Their work consisted of manual labor in industries such as agriculture, construction, restaurant, and tourism. Residences were rented and usually shared with several other illegal immigrants. Many were partially bi-lingual with a preference for their native languages.

Education levels were typically low. Only 22% had graduated high school. As such, there was a pattern of irresponsible, impulsive behavior in offender backgrounds. Solutions to their problems entailed moving, i.e. running away. Most simply ran to the southern U.S. border after being connected with their sex offenses.

Conclusions:
Illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes first cross the U.S. border illegally. Then they gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported. Those who were deported simply returned illegally again. Only 2% of the offenders in this study has no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally. There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation. From misdemeanors such as assault or DUI, to drug offenses, illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes break U.S. laws repeatedly. They are highly mobile, work in low skilled jobs with their hands, use drugs and alcohol, are generally promiscuous, have little family stability, and choose victims who are easy to attack. Their attacks are particularly brutal, and they use a hands-on method of controlling and/or killing their victims.

Note: Nearly 30% of the victims were illegal immigrants themselves.The remainder were U.S. citizens.

*One offender came from Puerto Rico. He had entered PR illegally from DR and then came to the mainland. He was charged with child molestation.

[Mod Note; that sure is an awful lot of statistics without any supporting links]

No Illegals Please @
112

Thank you for your comment, at last someone with a freaking brain larger than a walnut. You probably live in the southwest and are experiencing the problem first hand. Unlike all these cry baby gated community types in the north east. If they faced what we face here in the southwest everyday they’d be crying like babys for relief. Your time will come…

Actually I live in the Northeast and don’t see a daily reminder of the problem like the southwest but I see the wave coming and I am fighting to stop it even though it does not affect my daily life.. yet. I want our government to do it’s damn job and I want these TRAITORS to be deported with the illegals. I am SHOCKED at the ignorance of these people about the problem. They have no idea how much they are making a Civil War more possible with every idiotic utterance they make.

Zorro @
113

After conducting a 12 month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006 , it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally.

There were 1500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. Police reports, public records, interviews with police, and media accounts were all included. Offenders were located in 36 states, but it is clear, that the most of the offenders were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was number one, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York, and Florida.

Based on population numbers of 12,000,000 illegal immigrants and the fact that young males make up more of this population than the general U.S. population, sex offenders in the illegal immigrant group make up a higher percentage. When examining ICE reports and public records, it is consistent to find sex offenders comprising 2% of illegals apprehended. Based on this 2% figure, which is conservative, there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States.

This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day. The 1500 offenders in this study had a total of 5,999 victims. Each sex offender averaged 4 victims. This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study.

Victims:
Of the 1500 cases reviewed, 525 (35%) were child molestations, 358 (24%) were rapes, and 617 (41%) were sexual homicides and serial murders. Of the child molestations, 47% of the victims were Hispanic, 36% were Caucasian, 8% were Asian, 6% were African American, and 3% were other nationalities. In most instances, the offenders were familiar with their victims. In fact, 82% of the victims were known to their attackers. The other 18% were molested by strangers. In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims’ homes. Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6.

In rape cases, the offenders were less likely to know their victims. Only 64% of the victims knew their attackers. Furthermore, rape victims proved to be more diverse than child molestation victims. Hispanic and Caucasian victims were identical at 35% each.

The next most likely victims were African American women, and other nationalities comprised the remainder. These women suffered brutal attacks. Commonly, a weapon was used to control the victims. These weapons were most often sharp instruments. And the victims were beaten during the rapes over 70% of the time. Offenders engaged in sodomy in 67% of the attacks, and gang rape took place in .007% of the cases. Rape victims ranged in age from 16-79 and averaged age 23.

Serial rapists accounted for 3% of all illegal immigrant rapists. Each serial rapist averaged 5 victims, with the number of victims ranging from 2 to 11. Two serial rapists were confirmed HIV positive, and another offender had a venereal disease.

The murders were the worst of the sex crimes and were especially vicious. The most common method was for an offender to break into a residence and ambush his victims. Not only were victims raped, but some (6%) were mutilated. The crime scenes were very bloody, expressing intense, angry perpetrator personalities. Specifically, most victims were blitzed, rendered incapable of fighting back, and then raped and murdered. The most common method of killing was bludgeoning, followed by stabbing. Caucasians were more likely to become victims of sexual homicide committed by illegal immigrants. Hispanics were second, and African Americans were third. Victims of sexual homicides averaged age 42. However, victims ranged in age from 16-81.

Serial killers accounted for .005% of the sex crimes. The serial killers averaged 9 victims per offender. Victim choice centered on victims the offenders did not know. Each serial killer targeted men and women, but females were higher, making up 73%. Illegal immigrant serial killers were more likely to strike in the West and the Southern United States.

Victim socioeconomic status changed for each type of crime. Those who fell victim to child molestation tended to be from a lower socioeconomic status than those who were raped and those who were raped and murdered. In fact, 57% of those rape/murdered were from the upper middle class.

There was an especially disturbing finding that in 22% of all sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants, victims with physical and mental disabilities were targeted. These disabled victims were each under age 18. In those cases, the perpetrators knew their victims.

Offenders:
The average age of illegal immigrants who were sex offenders was 27, but they ranged in age from 16-69. Child molesters tended to be older, averaging age 32. The average age of rapists was 26, and murderers averaged age 28. There is a trend that these offenders are becoming younger. For example, in 2006, the average age of sex offender illegal immigrants was 20. The highest number came from Mexico. El Salvador was the original home to the next highest number of sexual offenders. Other countries of origin included: Brazil, China, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico*, Russia, and Vietnam.

They averaged 4 victims per offender. Nearly 63% had been deported on another offense prior to the sex crime. There was an average of 3 years of committing crimes such as DUI, assaults, or drug related offenses prior to being apprehended for a sexual offense.

Alcohol and drug use seemingly played a large role in these crimes. In fact, 81% of offenders were drinking or using drugs prior to offending. Rapists and killers were more likely to use alcohol and drugs consistently than child molesters.

Offenders had the use of a vehicle in 78% of the cases. However, the vehicles were only owned by those offenders 54% of the time. In the other instances, the offenders either borrowed or stole the vehicle.

Many offenders were unkempt in appearance and worked with their hands. They were transient in that they went where work took them. Therefore, only 25% were stable within a community. Further, in 31% of the crimes, the offenders entered into the communities where they offended within 2 months of the commission of their sex offenses. However, many, 79%, had been in the U.S. for more than one year before being arrested for a sex crime, and they were typically known to the Criminal Justice system for prior, less serious offenses before they molested, raped, or murdered.

There was a trend to be single while offending, as only 23% were married at the time of their crimes. Most were known to date quite a bit and have derogatory views of females. Domestic violence was common as well, as nearly half of those with spouses or significant others had a history of domestic abuse.

Nearly 35% were considered religious and even more, 59% had been raised in a religious home. Their work consisted of manual labor in industries such as agriculture, construction, restaurant, and tourism. Residences were rented and usually shared with several other illegal immigrants. Many were partially bi-lingual with a preference for their native languages.

Education levels were typically low. Only 22% had graduated high school. As such, there was a pattern of irresponsible, impulsive behavior in offender backgrounds. Solutions to their problems entailed moving, i.e. running away. Most simply ran to the southern U.S. border after being connected with their sex offenses.

Conclusions:
Illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes first cross the U.S. border illegally. Then they gradually commit worse crimes and are continually released back into society or deported. Those who were deported simply returned illegally again. Only 2% of the offenders in this study has no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally. There is a clear pattern of criminal escalation. From misdemeanors such as assault or DUI, to drug offenses, illegal immigrants who commit sex crimes break U.S. laws repeatedly. They are highly mobile, work in low skilled jobs with their hands, use drugs and alcohol, are generally promiscuous, have little family stability, and choose victims who are easy to attack. Their attacks are particularly brutal, and they use a hands-on method of controlling and/or killing their victims.

Note: Nearly 30% of the victims were illegal immigrants themselves.The remainder were U.S. citizens.

*One offender came from Puerto Rico. He had entered PR illegally from DR and then came to the mainland. He was charged with child molestation.

[Mod Note; that sure is an awful lot of statistics without any supporting links]

http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html#Illegals

Do you people really think you can just utter complete nonsense like comparing the ICE raids to Nazi Germany and not have consequences of those HATEFUL words? I suggest to ICE that perhaps people who are accusing our government of being like Nazis ought to spend some time in our nice Nazi concentration camps with the illegals… Make sure you keep the ovens on till they get there!

I like mine crispy please…

Hey you know what? Actually it would be a LOT cheaper to cook the illegals in an oven than let them sit for years in our prisons or pay the cost of shipping them home. Great idea guys! In fact, the energy could be used to heat the homes of Patriotic Americans! What a concept! Why didn’t WE think of that?

There’s nothing like a little charity at this special time of year. Merry Christmas to all.

Oklahoma kiddo @
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A Parable For Our Times
Bill Moyers
December 22, 2006

The scale of the disorder in our national priorities right now is truly staggering; it approaches moral anarchy. Alexander Hamilton, the conservative genius of the financial class, warned this could happen. Speaking to the New York State legislature in 1788, he said:

As riches increase and accumulate in few hands; as luxury prevails in society; virtue will be in a greater degree considered as only a graceful appendage of wealth, and the tendency of things will be to depart from the republican standard. This is the real disposition of human nature: It is what, neither the honorable member nor myself can correct. It is common misfortune, that awaits our state constitution, as well as others.

Conservatives who revere the founding fathers tend to stress the last point—that there is nothing to be done about this “common misfortune.” It is up to the rest of us, who see the founding fathers not as gods but as inspired although flawed human beings—the hand that scribbled “All men are created equal” also stroked the breasts and thighs of a slave woman, whom he considered his property—to take on “the tendency of things ” to “depart from the republican standard,” and hold our country to its highest, and most humane, ideals.

As stewards of democracy, we, too, have a covenant—with one another.

http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._times.php

You DARE to quote anything from our Democratic heritage when you refer to people who are here illegally, who thwarted our immigration laws, who are SQUATTERS and INVADERS in our land? That is absolutely blasphemous.

You want to hear some quotes from our forefathers? Try these

The survival of the American republic, Alexander Hamilton maintained, depends upon “the preservation of a national spirit and a national character.” “To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.”

In a 1790 speech to Congress on the naturalization of immigrants, James Madison stated that America should welcome the immigrant who could assimilate, but exclude the immigrant who could not readily “incorporate himself into our society.”

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

Abraham Lincoln

Read an excellent post by Michelle Malkin who says what needs to be said and I want to shout it from the rooftops over the heads of the slobbering liberals

http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004840.htm

How much longer do you people think it will be before the American people rise up? This invasion must be stopped, or in a few more years, America the beautiful, land of the free and home of the brave, will be turned into a third world cesspool.
This traitorous government has turned on its people. Illegal immigration is a tool being used to destroy this country to set us up for the New World Order. Our hospitals, schools, neighborhoods, language, culture are being destroyed. There is revolution coming. If it doesn’t happen, America is finished.
God help us and God bless America!!!

Here’s something to ponder. Although the date usually given is wrong the message is and still is powerful.

“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Theodore Roosevelt

“Americanization” was a favorite theme of Roosevelt’s during his later years, when he railed repeatedly against “hyphenated Americans” and the prospect of a nation “brought to ruins” by a “tangle of squabbling nationalities.”

He advocated the compulsory learning of English by every naturalized citizen. “Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or to leave the country,” he said in a statement to the Kansas City Star in 1918. “English should be the only language taught or used in the public schools.”

He also insisted, on more than one occasion, that America has no room for what he called “fifty-fifty allegiance.” In a speech made in 1917 he said, “It is our boast that we admit the immigrant to full fellowship and equality with the native-born. In return we demand that he shall share our undivided allegiance to the one flag which floats over all of us.”
http://urbanlegends.about.com/…..grants.htm

Posted on the home page…

Moreover (I can’t make this up), something calling itself “Voice of Reason” came by our blog yesterday to say, “Second, concentration camps would be too good for these invaders. Yes they are invaders. If we can invade Iraq with 150,000 troops, the US can be invaded by 1 million or more illegal aliens per year. If that is not a invasion, I don’t know what is.” Um, yeah. Thanks for making my point for me, there, “Voice of Reason.” Please take your meds, then report to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The only point that I proved for you is that you cannot counter my comments with rational thought. Rather you hold my comments out to your Royal (blog) Subjects, none of which would dare make notice of the “Emporer’s New Clothes”. A common characteristic among sheep. What do you call a constant flow of millions of people coming into a country that simply, by law don’t belong there? No need to grandstand, rather discuss and answer the question. If you are capable.

dejah @
105

To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way) who are being hurt by our government’s actions against their parents: I’m tired of you people. I’m tired of your hate, your self-righteous fuck-ass attitudes toward those less-fortunate than you. I’m tired of you using religion as a murder weapon and bludgeon.

These children you love to hate are real, living human beings. But, I keep forgetting that you assholes of the right only care about children when they’re fetuses. Once they’re born, you could hardly care less about them. And, if they’re brown, why you huys just hug yourselves in righteous hatred.

So, go away you nasty little people. GO fuck yourselves. And please stop calling yourselves patriotic Americans. You’re not. And you’re not Christians either. And you never will be. I don’t know what you are, but you’re not people that I would recognize as human beings. You make me sick with your hatred toward anything that doesn’t meet your increasingly retarded (im)moral values.

(stepping down from soapbox and looking for people who care about others)

I suggest you read your post before talking about others garnering hatred. Everything you accuse the pro enforcement advocates of you did in that last post. In fact, I haven’t seen a more hateful post. Your post mirrors what you supposedly hate. Even after you get beyond your shrill hater comments, the absurdity of your accusations that we are not humans, christians or patriots, is all that remains. Similar to your remark that you know these children are “citizens”. Maybe citizens of the make believe world situated in your mind, but not in a world of reality.

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

Are we “SLOW LEARNERS” or what?

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

“In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile…We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language…and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Comments: Theodore Roosevelt indeed wrote these words, but not in 1907 while he was still President of the United States. The passages were culled from a letter he wrote to the president of the American Defense Society on January 3, 1919, three days before Roosevelt died.

“Americanization” was a favorite theme of Roosevelt’s during his later years, when he railed repeatedly against “hyphenated Americans” and the prospect of a nation “brought to ruins” by a “tangle of squabbling nationalities.”

He advocated the compulsory learning of English by every naturalized citizen. “Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or to leave the country,” he said in a statement to the Kansas City Star in 1918. “English should be the only language taught or used in the public schools.”

He also insisted, on more than one occasion, that America has no room for what he called “fifty-fifty allegiance.” In a speech made in 1917 he said, “It is our boast that we admit the immigrant to full fellowship and equality with the native-born. In return we demand that he shall share our undivided allegiance to the one flag which floats over all of us.”

These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

Thomas Paine

And our triumph will be taking back our country from the illegal alien INVASION by ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

These were union workers working for union wages and benefits, they were and are here to feed their families. They have mortgages, auto loans, credit cards, all of which will no go into default.Much as I hate to defend Swift, they were participating in a program for employers to verify the legality of all applicants. That program did not work, pure and simple, which is yet another reason for comprehensive immigration reform.

Might I suggest that all those ho think “these people” should simply “go away” take a job on the kill floor of a meat packing plant?

MufsMom @
126

These were union workers working for union wages and benefits, they were and are here to feed their families. They have mortgages, auto loans, credit cards, all of which will no go into default.Much as I hate to defend Swift, they were participating in a program for employers to verify the legality of all applicants. That program did not work, pure and simple, which is yet another reason for comprehensive immigration reform.

Might I suggest that all those ho think “these people” should simply “go away” take a job on the kill floor of a meat packing plant?

If Swift thought all their employees were legal then why did they file a lawsuit to block the raid based upon the fact they felt it would hurt their business to have so many employees removed????

Any union workers were workers using stolen identities. I highly doubt they had auto loans or credit cards.

Swift’s defense that they were using the Pilot program is a bunch of hogwash.. and it was just a way for them to say they were following the law. Once people start digging into this we will find out how much Swift was culpable.. and the lawsuit brought by former Swift employees will be just the ticket to get that information.

Why the Pilot program is a bunch o’ crap:

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt…..01994.html

From the previous link:

Why are illegal workers a bad thing?

Most illegal workers are illegal aliens and in the country illegally. No matter what your stance is on illegal immigration the fact that they are using fraudulent documents is a federal felony. Identity fraud is a growing problem and if a Social Security Number is being used by an illegal worker, when the employer files their information to the Internal Revenue Service the individual whose identity was stolen will be required to pay taxes on all of the income earned under their Social Security Number.

There have been cases where an individual has been the victim of hundreds of workers using their identity to obtain jobs and receiving a tax bill from the IRS at the end of the year of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Unlike normal creditors where identity fraud destroys an individuals credit, when identity fraud occurs involving the IRS there are many other things at stake including the loss of property and imprisonment. The IRS has much more power when trying to obtain back taxes than a creditor does when trying to collect an owed debt.

Of course a victim of fraud involving a stolen identity and SSN will more than likely also face destroyed credit by not paying the IRS.

This takes years and much expense, as well as emotional distress, for the victim to correct the situation. All of this because a solid system isn’t in place to verify legal workers.

ngus Reid Global Monitor : Polls & Research
Americans Do Not Expect Immigration Reform
December 12, 2006

- Many adults in the United States believe their elected lawmakers will not deal properly with immigration, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 51 per cent of respondents think it is unlikely for the U.S. Congress to pass a serious immigration reform.

In March, the Pew Hispanic Center calculated the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States at somewhere between 11.5 million to 12 million.

On May 15, U.S. president George W. Bush addressed the nation to discuss his immigration proposals. Bush outlined five clear objectives: securing the borders, creating a temporary worker program, holding employers to account for the workers they hire, allowing illegal immigrants “who have roots” in the country to apply for citizenship, and helping newcomers assimilate into American society.

On Oct. 26, Bush signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006—which authorizes the construction of a 1,100-kilometre barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border—saying, “There is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic pass to citizenship for every illegal immigrant and a program of mass deportation.” 68 per cent of respondents it is more important to gain control of the border than legalizing undocumented workers.

American voters renewed the House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate on Nov. 7. The Democratic Party will take control of the lower house for the first time since 1994, with at least 232 lawmakers. A victory for the Democratic candidates for the Senate in Montana and Virginia also gave the party a majority in the upper house.

Last month, Republican California congressman Ken Calvert discussed the impending immigration legislation, saying, “Obviously we’re no longer in the majority and that means the new majority, the Democratic Party in the House along with the Senate, may attempt to pass an amnesty bill. I’ll be doing what I can to stop it.”

Polling Data

How likely is it that serious immigration reform will be passed by Congress?

Very likely

10%

Somewhat likely

33%

Not very likely

40%

Not at all likely

11%

What is more important, gaining control of the border or legalizing undocumented workers?

Gaining control of the border

68%

Legalizing undocumented workers

23%

Source: Rasmussen Reports
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 1,000 American adults, conducted on Nov. 28 and Nov. 29, 2006. Margin of error is 3 per cent.

dejah @
105

To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way) who are being hurt by our government’s actions against their parents: I’m tired of you people. I’m tired of your hate, your self-righteous fuck-ass attitudes toward those less-fortunate than you. I’m tired of you using religion as a murder weapon and bludgeon.

These children you love to hate are real, living human beings. But, I keep forgetting that you assholes of the right only care about children when they’re fetuses. Once they’re born, you could hardly care less about them. And, if they’re brown, why you huys just hug yourselves in righteous hatred.

So, go away you nasty little people. GO fuck yourselves. And please stop calling yourselves patriotic Americans. You’re not. And you’re not Christians either. And you never will be. I don’t know what you are, but you’re not people that I would recognize as human beings. You make me sick with your hatred toward anything that doesn’t meet your increasingly retarded (im)moral values.

(stepping down from soapbox and looking for people who care about others)

Hear, hear!!

You’re a bunch of modern day brownshirts and a disgrace to this nation and the values it holds dear.

Well said TRex… the TRAITORS always stick together when they attempt to destroy a country.

Some idiot spewed:

Zorro @
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dejah @
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To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way)

The idiotic DISTORTION of the 14th Amendment making these ANCHOR BABIES American Citizens has gone on too long. Illegals come here to plop their babies on our soil at OUR COST and we have had enough. The parents are illegal and they will be sent home. If they want to keep their families together then LET THEM TAKE THE ANCHOR BABIES WITH THEM.

These children of illegals have NO RIGHT to be American Citizens because they happened to have slid out of their mother’s womb in an American hospital or perhaps in a pay toilet in the field. These children are being USED by illegal aliens to get a ticket to stay in the US and we are sick of it.

WE WANT THEM ALL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY

Hey, wingnut, Caps Lock is your friend.

And good thing, too, because I doubt with that hateful, poisonous attitude that you have any others.

Novel legal arguments are being put forth in commentary on the ICE raids.

First, some claim the ICE should not have raided, because to do so was racist. The argument seems to be that if most people violating a law are of one race, then the law should not be enforced.

Then, some claim the ICE should not have raided Swift & Co. on Our Lady of Guadalupe’s feast day, as they knew, or should have known, that illegals who revere Our Lady of Guadalupe are entitled to a free pass that day no matter what they’ve done previously. This position follows directly from the New York 8th Circuit Court’s ruling that hijacking planes is not to be punished if done by Moslems during Ramadan.

Our immigration laws have no basis. “Unless you are a Native American, you have no right to say who belongs here and who does not.” Source

Finally, some claim that women with babies are immune from prosecution of all laws. No cases have been cited, presumably because at the mention of babies, all rational thought ceases.

Now maybe I’m a babe in the woods, and these arguments are routine. They’re new to me.

Do any of you so called liberals ever consider the diseases that the illegals bring into the country? What about the poor kid in school that gets a new case of T.B. just for going to class? Why do the tax payers of the U.S. have to foot the bill for all these illegals in the form of government services? You talk about going after “brown people” but why should the whites who have made this country great through their technological advances have to babysit every other race on the planet? If these “brown people” as you call them are so great and such a benefit to the world then why are most Latin American countries so poor that they can’t take care of their own people? These “brown people” you talk about have never in the history of mankind performed any great benefit to mankind such as cure disease or invent something worth having. Take a look around your area. Everything in sight was created by the white race. Your telephone,T.V.,car,computer,clock,etc., etc. At least give the devil his due and admit the fact that nonwhites want to live in countries that are created by whites because to live in their own countries is to live in a backward country that will never amount to anything.

Zorro,

Grow up.

You have hatred in your heart and it shows. And yes, wearily, I have to surmise that you are one of those who can’t see beyond skin color to care about actual human beings.

So, go rest. Take a prozac. Get some help. And, when you talk to your therapist, please let him or her know that you think you can read minds.

D

Zorro @
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dejah @
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(stepping down from soapbox and looking for people who care about others)

you know what I care about you slobbering liberal? I care about the millions of Americans who have had their IDENTITIES STOLEN and used by illegal aliens but oh wait they just want to work right? I care about the victims of MURDER and RAPE by illegal aliens.. like Adrienne Shelley and thousands more. More Americans have been killed by illegal aliens than soldiers have died in Iraq. That’s what I care about you commie pig.

Oh quite possibly true. Thanks for that lovely, condescending lecture, though. Apparently it’s okay for hateful people to come on here and spuot racism and they don’t called for it. But let someone come on and voice frustration with that hatred, spewing as it is from the ugly mouths of hateful people, and suddenly *I’M* the one who’s bad?

Nuh-uh. go think again. Take your faux outrage out on those who hate people for their color. I hate the actions,but I am still fully aware that there’s a human being behind those words of hate. Perhaps not a very thoughtful person, nor one I’d want in my house, but still a human.

The words I see from Zorro and others here are simply words, but they hurt — and they are lies. And when you can call THEM down for their lies, then you are free to hassle me about what I said. Sure I’m angry — and I know my words are ugly, too. Perhaps it’s because ugliness begets ugliness, even in those of us who try NOT to be ugly. think about that before you lecture me again.

D

voiceofreason @
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Posted on the home page…

Moreover (I can’t make this up), something calling itself “Voice of Reason” came by our blog yesterday to say, “Second, concentration camps would be too good for these invaders. Yes they are invaders. If we can invade Iraq with 150,000 troops, the US can be invaded by 1 million or more illegal aliens per year. If that is not a invasion, I don’t know what is.” Um, yeah. Thanks for making my point for me, there, “Voice of Reason.” Please take your meds, then report to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The only point that I proved for you is that you cannot counter my comments with rational thought. Rather you hold my comments out to your Royal (blog) Subjects, none of which would dare make notice of the “Emporer’s New Clothes”. A common characteristic among sheep. What do you call a constant flow of millions of people coming into a country that simply, by law don’t belong there? No need to grandstand, rather discuss and answer the question. If you are capable.

dejah @
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To the rightwingnuts who somehow think it’s okay to spew vomitous hate while commenting on the plight of children (American citizens, by the way) who are being hurt by our government’s actions against their parents: I’m tired of you people. I’m tired of your hate, your self-righteous fuck-ass attitudes toward those less-fortunate than you. I’m tired of you using religion as a murder weapon and bludgeon.

These children you love to hate are real, living human beings. But, I keep forgetting that you assholes of the right only care about children when they’re fetuses. Once they’re born, you could hardly care less about them. And, if they’re brown, why you huys just hug yourselves in righteous hatred.

So, go away you nasty little people. GO fuck yourselves. And please stop calling yourselves patriotic Americans. You’re not. And you’re not Christians either. And you never will be. I don’t know what you are, but you’re not people that I would recognize as human beings. You make me sick with your hatred toward anything that doesn’t meet your increasingly retarded (im)moral values.

(stepping down from soapbox and looking for people who care about others)

I suggest you read your post before talking about others garnering hatred. Everything you accuse the pro enforcement advocates of you did in that last post. In fact, I haven’t seen a more hateful post. Your post mirrors what you supposedly hate. Even after you get beyond your shrill hater comments, the absurdity of your accusations that we are not humans, christians or patriots, is all that remains. Similar to your remark that you know these children are “citizens”. Maybe citizens of the make believe world situated in your mind, but not in a world of reality.

This racist “Zorro” seems to be having a bit of an identity crisis I’m afraid – his fictional namesake fought for the peasants and also for Mexican rule of California. Oh, the irony…

I am no big fan of the current administration, but we in the southwest are being over run with this invasion. On most things I am live and let live, but we have a serious problem with crime on our border and the cost to our social services. According to a study from 2004 “a new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year” and thats just one state.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/…..legals.htm
Most people smugly say “you’ll pay 5 dollars for a head of lettuce” if illegal immigrants are sent home, well we already are paying that, only the cost is hidden in the taxes we pay to support programs that benefit the low wage earning illegal immigrant. Another common myth is that the illegal immigrants are doing “jobs Americans won’t”. That was proven to be a lie as Swift, according to news reports have had lines of people waiting to apply for those positions made available by the arrest of the illegal immigrants. In the 1980’s when amnesty was granted the first time, that was supposed to curb the flood of people pouring across the border. Now 20 years later we see how well that worked.
Big business is more than willing to exploit the illegals desire to work as this allows business to drive the wages of all Americans down. We see this happen in the unskilled labor pool and now it is expanding into the skilled labor pool. For example if you research the wage level in the construction trade you will see a steady decline in average wages paid.

We truly need honest constructive dialog to fix this problem, for the good of our country and for the good of our immigration policy and its affect on all people.

For those of you who feel that Identity theft works to the benefit of the person who’s Social Security number has been fraudulently used please note the following:

“Thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Americans are right now sharing their identities with immigrants and don’t know it. It is the dirty little secret of the immigration issue: By not dealing directly with the undocumented worker situation, the U.S government is actually encouraging identity theft. In fact, one can argue that the origins of the identity theft epidemic can be traced to the immigration issue.

The scope of this problem is vast. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn’t match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why — a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else’s SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a “no-match” situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don’t end up on anyone’s annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.”
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/…..t_of_.html

Iron Man @
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This racist “Zorro” seems to be having a bit of an identity crisis I’m afraid – his fictional namesake fought for the peasants and also for Mexican rule of California. Oh, the irony…

Ironman resorting to sissy, race card tactic, now that is ironic. I have no arguement, so I will use the only thing available to me. Name calling and the race card. How 1960’s is that.

Zorro is fighting for the peasants. The peasants known as United States Citizens.

Stop The Invasion #139: FAIR is a racist organization linked with CIS. Their numbers are suspect and apocryphal: in plainer language, they pull the numbers out of their collective ass and then lie about them.

An example is the propaganda lie that FAIR employs, “anchor babies.” This term originated regarding Irish and Italian immigrants to the U.S. in the 19th century, and has been reinvented by FAIR. However a little Googling will reveal that the numbers of these so-called anchor babies is complete fiction, and varies wildly (on the order of 200% difference) from citation to citation. Actual numbers derived from simple statistical analysis of ALL births reveal the FAIR ‘anchor baby’ numbers to be pure fiction.

I appreciate that there are issues surrounding immigration in the southwest, but using numbers from FAIR or CIS is not going to help. FAIR and CIS are racist liars.