
Let's start with the obvious: Bob Novak is not to be trusted. Period. And when I read one of his articles, I find myself always trying to figure out the slant — and to whose benefit it accrues — and why. It is as though Bob provides a Beltway Cocktail Weenie puzzle in every column.
This morning, Novak has an op-ed in the WaPo that makes for some good read between the lines fun. It's ostensibly about the Edwards candidacy for the 2008 Presidential nomination and labor's muscle possibly lining up behind him…but there is something between the lines in this one that I found rather interesting.
First of all, Novak spits out the word "labor" with a level of contempt generally reserved for child molesters — he's such a friend of big money that the thought of workers having rights must be physically painful for him – so anything he is saying that is alleged to be coming from the mouths of big labor's leadership? Call me skeptical. But Novak does understand power — and labor can put a lot of muscle behind a candidate in the Democratic party — so what is his motivation for discussing potential endorsement angles this early?
What Novak is saying about Edwards potentially having some heavyweight support from labor is accurate from what I have been hearing — in terms of the support part. Edwards' "Two America's" speech stands out as one of the few moments where poverty and questions of economic fairness were even discussed at any level in the public square. (And the policy questions which were posited in that speech have been explored more thoroughly with some pilot poverty programs through the One America foundation that the Edwards family set up after the 2004 loss.)
But it is this paragraph that made me wonder what Novak's true angle is:
The labor operatives pondering their '08 decisions also confess they are less than comfortable with a prominent role in the campaign for Edwards's wife, Elizabeth, who never has been a political spouse who stays in the shadows. It is not good news for Edwards if some Teamsters are put off by the triumvirate of John Edwards, Elizabeth Edwards and Dave Bonior.
But Edwards's sunny aura and commanding presence can transcend the negative impact of anybody at his side….
So, let me get this straight: Novak says that labor has a problem with the Edwards marriage being a strong one? Or that Elizabeth Edwards needs to learn to shut her mouth and behave like a good little wife who only bakes cookies (or at least pretends to do so publicly for PR purposes) and doesn't bother her pretty little head about stuff like politics or caring about poor people or anything like that…unless it involves the baking of the aforementioned cookies, publicly, and for PR purposes? No thinking for yourself, hon, you married a politician.
News flash for Novak: women can both bake cookies AND think for themselves, thank you very much.
I have a feeling that this was meant as a smack at David Bonior, who was demonized by the right when he was the number two in the House under Dick Gephardt – perhaps as a means of getting some attention from John Edwards who is sure to take a peek at a Novak column disparaging his wife. But what a condescending way to get attention. Why choose the low road?
Oh wait, this is Bob Novak we are talking about, isn't it?
And does anyone really believe that Novak would write a column about a Democratic Presidential candidate (almost — announcement is said to be forthcoming from Edwards) and his choice of advisors, one of whom may or may not be causing a little concern for labor…out of the goodness of Novak's shriveled-up, blackened heart? Do we look like we just fell off the politics truck?
There are some other little tidbits in this article that just do not add up based on my contacts with labor. But that "Elizabeth Edwards ought to stay in her place" paragraph just shot right out there as a "what the hell?" moment. Was Novak's agenda a not-so-subtle reminder to conservatives about why they didn't like Hillary, version 2.0, and that they could re-live the heady days of health care reform with an Edwards victory? Is it a warning shot across the Pickles bow? It was just such a jarringly weird insert into this op-ed that it deserves a little scrutiny — and a whole lot of ridicule.
Hey Bob — no cookies for you.
(But, just for fun, I thought you guys would get a kick out of this Handelsman animation. Call this your early holiday giggle.)
UPDATE: Eschaton has been temporarily bloggered. But Atrios has set up a temporary site for wayward readers in the meantime. It can be found here.



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Fitz!
fitz!
I think my fitz! got hung up in Denver….
Good morning! Say it with me, I loathe these people…
Morning gang…must make coffee now.
BTW, I updated already and added in a link to a Handlesman animation. Thought everyone could use a giggle.)
fort collins colorado – 52″ snow in 24 hours
twolf1 at 6 — holy crap! And why am I feeling the need to rush out to the store and stock up on milk and other staples…
reads to me like novak was picking up on tweety’s expressed concern last week when he wondered in response to elizabeth edwards’ comments. the wdc chatter circuit likes their womminfolk botoxed and sedated — just like laura:
MATTHEWS: I love it. You‘re great. Behind every great man, there‘s a woman trying to kill him.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
E. EDWARDS: He has great characteristics.
MATTHEWS: What is it? Does she do this? Does she bust your balls like this when you come home? When you get (INAUDIBLE), does she do that?
CROWD: (APPLAUSE)
E. EDWARDS: My children are watching this.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: What‘s this with the equal marriages? Why do people marry their equals? It used to be different? What happened to the Stepford wives, the good old days? What happened?
CROWD: (BOOING)
MATTHEWS: Oh, how P.C. How—why don‘t you hiss?
Oh, thank you. Finally, the freaking hiss. I needed it. It was the hiss. I needed that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16186985/
HA! Something wrong with Edwards that he would only have been married once – very suspicious!
now, if he were more like Newt, I’m sure Novak could trust him…
who wants coffee?
Can you tell that Novak pissed me off this morning? What is it with these pundit people and their need to smack the missus around?
OldCoastie @ 10
Me! to go along with my morning d r i f t g l a s s
:-)
OldCoastie @ 9
Why yes, this could be the problem….
these are people who don’t like women.
Morning all!
Christy thanks for the giggles– that Handelsman animation was just the ticket!
(erm, not the ticket I want for ‘08, mind you!)
:>) Gore in ‘08!
g’mornin christy and all firedogs here at teh lake
I love this particular sentence christy;
that’s it right there, that’s the direction we need to go if we want to get America back where it belongs, a government for the PEOPLE and BY the people, NOT for corporations and CERTAINLY not by corporations
we need to direct the conversation as if it’s unamerican to suppose a corporation should enjoy more rights and more protection then a person
it IS unamerican, yet corporate marketing has somehow convinced the American middle class that labor should be beholden to business
in America it’s SUPPOSED to be the other way around and we have to get that message across
or have issues with their mothers…
be nice if they’d just grow up.
Mornin’ Christy,
Sorry I missed the two Plame posts yesterday. I got a belated Fitz fix this AM going back to read them. I was in the world’s longest deosition all day and into the night.
On topic,
I met and had lunch with David Bonior when he was #2 in the House. He impressed me very much. He seemed strangley uncynical for someone who had been inside the Beltway for so long and who had risen to a leadership position in Congress.
It looks like Novak is trying to stir the s**t as they say. Create problems where there are none. What a pleasant man. Not
Yeah these guys don’t like wimmen unless they are shrieking harpies like Debbie Schlussel or Ann Coulter.
I dunno *what* to think aout Matthews. A step and-a-half forwad, then step back. In general he’s been a lot less loathsome recently, but then the lizard-brain kicks in, and he drops a dumb-ass bomb.
Novak, otoh, I *do* know what to think about him.
OT – here’s the ‘official’ transcript from yesterday’s babbling chimpy presser:
Press Conference by the President
Indian Treaty Room
Good Lord! The primary reason I am considering supporting John Edwards is Elizabeth Edwards.
How anyone with a lick of sense and a soul could see this extraordinary woman as a political liability escapes me.
Oops, well, my last sentence answers how Novak managed such a feat.
Fucking Matthews has such a low self esteem and need for approval he will say anything to be popular.
Old Gold @ 22
I’m guessing their polls show Edwards is a real threat… gotta make Obama a Muslim and Edwards pussywhipped…
at least they are showing their hands early…
1,367 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
When do we get to ignore fascist propagandists…as far as I am concerned, Novakula speaks only to other bloodless trolls and I haven’t read a single thing he’s written in years. Senator Edwards will take care of this worthless shitbag and his smarmy, condescending toilet trash so let’s let’s not spend anymore of our precious emotional energy on ‘im.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE ARE LOTSA BATTLES STILL TO BE FOUGHT!!
When did Novak become relevant again?
Honestly, I should start writing a syndicated column. The only qualification seems to be…well shit, I can’t think of any.
btw, for folks who are trying to find Atrios this morning — he’s been bloggered. But has put together a temporary site here.
Mornin’ All,
excellent point @ #9 Old Coastie, simply excellent !
aw right, time to get up and out into the cold, cold room…
everyone have a holly-jolly day!
Old Gold @ 22
I was wondering if I missed some gaffe that happened in the last few days. Why would Leizabeth Edwards be offputting to the teamsters?
I didn’t understand the premise for that paragraph.
OldCoastie @
9
Precisely OC,
Especially considering that Mrs. Edwards is a cancer survivor.
Male Republicans – such as Newt and Novak – instinctively realize that serving an ailing spouse with divorce papers, while she is in the hospital fighting cancer, is the stand-up GOP thing to do. Truly, how can the Newt-Novak wing of the family values crowd trust Edwards after missing an opportunity like that?
slainte,
cl
Hit me with the pot, OC. Need to load up on the caffeine, up way too late again last night.
Sounds like I need to put the ear to the ground.
I don’t think this is Teamsters driven, far too early. There’s something fishy about this, since Bonior has been a professor of Labor Studies at Wayne State here in Michigan (definitely Teamsters country) and has protested free trade agreements. If anything, I thing Teamsters are still feeling their way along after the rift between them and AFL-CIO and their subsequent alignment with SEIU; I know they were poking around in mid-late 2003, hadn’t thrown behind anybody, in advance of 2004.
Somebody is stirring the pot, trying to make trouble. Novak is a willing pawn, just as he was in the outing of Valerie Plame, and in the passing of information from a meeting of Poppy Bush’s chief advisors during 41’s administration…
Which begs the question: is Karl Rove behind this? is he working for a Republican candidate already? or is he simply working for the RNC?
Or is he making a preemptive strike on the first Democratic candidate with real potential to win the primary, in advance of his announcement in NOLA within the week?
This has a ring of truth to it, doesn’t it?
and let’s not forget tweety’s comments about nancy pelosi re the hoyer/murtha issue a few weeks ago. tweety’s got huge issues with women in positions of power. it isn’t just hillary clinton whom he despises/is enthralled by:
MATTHEWS: Is she going to castrate Steny Hoyer if he gets in there?
Is she going say, you may be there in form, but you‘re not there in fact?
Christy, you might also give some thought to the knife Novak is trying to stick into organizational split of CTW unions and the AFL-CIO, completely ignoring the fact that both groups put aside their organizational differences and joined together in this past election to fuel one of the most massive and successful GOTV operations in history, which played a major part in winning back Congress.
Christy,
If you need Bob Novak’s publicity photo I found it here.
The nerve of John Edwards to have a wife who is not a Paxil dosed automaton like Pickles Bush. It reminds me of the hit job done to Howard Deans’ wife too.
-GSD
P.S. If you haven’t seen the Debbie Schlussel hitpiece on Barack Obama—she likes to use his middle name like the Lee Atwater wing of the Republican party does to.
Hate-piece by Schlussel.
well, lhp, doncha know? teamsters are REAL men! they don’t have wives or mothers or sisters who actually speak there minds! and how could they associate with someone like that?
I’m thinking it’s just a guess on Novak’s part – good journalist like him can make shit up!
Sounds like Novacula is trying to cast Elizabeth Edwards as another… *gasp* Hillary. Why hasn’t someone put a stake through this guys heart?
NorskeFlamethrower @ 25
Sorry to disagree, at little bit. In many instances, mybe most instances, I would agree with you that it is best to try to ignore assholes into oblivian. Make tham the tree falling in the forest without sound b/c no one is there to hear them.
However, there is also a theme in law relating to tacit approval. You see it come up in conspiracy cases alot.
If someone says something that you don’t agree with, or that you know to be untrue and you don’t speak up and correct the record, in some instances you can be subject to an inference that you DID agree with the statement.
shorter version–which we learned from swiftboating:
no pushback=acceptance
Christy, you might also give some thought to the knife Novak is trying to stick into the organizational split of CTW unions and the AFL-CIO, completely ignoring the fact that both groups put aside their organizational differences and joined together in this past election to fuel one of the most massive and successful GOTV operations in history, which played a major part in winning back Congress.
and can someone explain to me again, why isn’t novak in jail?
OldCoastie @ 29
How do you blog fronder the nice warm covers? I want to learn how to do that
Tom @
26
When he jetisoned his religion and converted from Judaism to Catholicism so that he could fit in!!!
looseheadprop @ 40
laptop plus wireless equals under the covers…
linda @ 8
I saw that interview.
I thought he said “Does she bite your balls when you come home”
(maybe he is projecting?)
And eventually (when Matthews shuts up) Elizabeth brings up Matthews very smart wife, which at that point Matthews quickly changes the subject and Elizabeth brings attention to that too. I loved her! The interview was just weird.
jayt @
3
My C-Span reception on TWcable flickered and the caller’s call was garbled all at the same time.
Coincidence? I think not.
Novak sounds like he’s just trying to start some friction. Don’t listen to him.
OldCoastie @ 35
My daddy was a Teamster. Taught me how to curse out cabbies who cut you off on the road before i was 7. He had 4 daughters who all speak their minds, every freakin’ day.
“Real men” aren’t afraid of powerful women.
Real men don’t feel emascualted by powerful women (Tweety’s castration comment is SOOOO revealing).
Real men are up to the challenge of sharing ideas and laughter and passions with strong women.
I’ve known a lot of Teamsters in my life (for a short while I was a Teamster myself, a lot of municipal government lawyers are).
Teamsters are not afraid of strong or opinionated woman. At least none of the Teamsters I have ever met. Why is Novak trying to slander the Teamsters?
GSD at 35 — My first thought on this is that they know how well liked Elizabeth really is, and how effective she is campaigning (she was the biggest draw in WV in the last campaign, I kid you not…), that Novak is trying to do a sort of “brush back” from the mound at her. A warning, of sorts, to John Edwards that things will get worse if he runs.
What a wanker Novak is.
Sierra Volk @ 34
I doubt he’s ignoring it; rather, he’s hoping to make sure it doesn’t happen again. I suspect we’re going to be seeing a lot about how the Democrats are pawns of those corrupt labor unions, trying to keep them from actually enacting some real pro-labor legislation, because if they do, you aren’t going to see any unions dallying with the Republicans for a long time.
as long as we are talking about a*shats and wankers, I linked to Think Progress yesterday about Virgil Goode and his hateful comments about Muslims; here is the full text of his letter:
I have contacted my rep and senators and will contact Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Leader Pelosi shortly. This xenophobia and bigotry is deserving of censure and complete exposure, imho.
here’s the wapoo article about this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01318.html
linda @8 says(no doubt from a transcript):
But I watched that show and I’m sure he said “bite your balls…” The only possible excuse was that he’d been sick for two weeks and off the tube.
And Angie @ 15, I’m with you:
He’s “the one!”
OldCoastie @ 42
I have laptop with wirless, but cannot type at all in bed. Iam bed enough on a hard surface. You must be much more coordinated than me. Last time I tried to READ my laptop in bed, I wound up bobling it and dropping it on th efloor.
twolf1 @ 21
A Bush press conference in the “Indian Treaty Room”? Wow, they really do have no sense of irony.
dang it, i must have used a bad word!
(in moderation…)
1,367 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen looseheadprop:
Please do not apologize for disagreein’ with me, after all it’s in my job description under “lackey takes shit”…seriously though, I understand the concept of tacit approval. We can only tacitly approve, however, if we read the son of a bitch’s crap and don’t respond. If we don’t read the shit, we don’t place ourselves in the position of havin’ ta waste time countering it or goin’ on the record. Also, there is another concept called “conservation of entropy” and when ya get as old as I, you tend to keep what energy ya got left close and not waste it.
I jest think that Fitz, Edwards or anyone else that Novakula dumps on can take ‘im down while the rest of us get on with more serious stuff…like heatin up the butter for the popcorn before jury selection starts.
KEEP THE FAITH , THE RIGHTS YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 46
A brush back might work on a callow youth like Obama, who seems VERY risk averse. But the Edwards Clan has already been through the wringer. They know exactly how bad it’s gonna get.
Angie at 52 — you are out. Sorry, missed that it was stuck for a minute there…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
that was quick– thanks Ms. Christy and no apologies needed from you to me, ever!
(oh, and the bold in my 49 is mine!)
But…but…I just sent Bob cookies. My brother Bob.
Shameless O/T snowblogging from Denver here;
http://gobstruck.blogspot.com/…..htful.html
and here;
http://gobstruck.blogspot.com/…..-snow.html
Over 24 hours now.
egregious @ 56
Did they have rat poison in them? Or garlic?
Ann in AZ @ 49
He did say “bite” and I think that’s what shocked E Edwards so much…more than ‘ball-busting’ would have. It’s nice to see JE appreciate what a great woman he found as it comes across naturally. She can only help, not hurt his chances.
I was also struck by how much John Edwards has learned and grown in the past few years.
Bite me, Novak. What a total goober.
Several years ago, Bonior traveled to a (red) state I used to live in to campaign for someone for Congress. My candidate didn’t have much of a shot, but Bonior gave it all he had. He really impressed me.
And is there a more intelligent, gracious, lovely woman in American politics than Elizabeth Edwards? I don’t think so.
Novak, double bite me.
Norsk
You got a point. I wish novakula was gone, but while he is still here, we have to help develope the talking points for the pushback (cause lord knows the rest of the MSM won’t figure out w/o help which is why so many seem to lurk here)or else no other point of view wil be expressed.
In many ways I see this website as an after school tutor for many in the press. How many times have I turned on the TV a few hours after seeing a topic discussed here and found a KO piece or David Schusster that expressed the very same themes we had discussed they day before or earlier that same day?
How often have I seen someone ask in the threads “how come no reporter ever asked?” and then heard that question at the next W/H briefing?
What you guys do here matters. A lot.
how come I can curse and not go into moderation?
are there user filters here?
I would love it just once if one of these people getting interviewed by the stupid head on a stick turned the question around on the interviewer to show how fucking stupid they are.
Novak’s shriveled-up, blackened heart
I once forgot about a roast beef in the oven, came back hours later to find a smoking little black ball.
Maybe Novak’s heart is something like that.
The roast story still makes me giggle, which is good for such a dark day. Thanks TRex and TSF for the love.
Twisted Martini @ 60
Not this time.
BTW, and coming from a potty mouth like me, this is the height of hypocrasy:
Since when it it acceptable for a TV news guys to ask an interview subject any question containing the phrase “bust your balls” or “bite your balls”, or any other refence to “balls” when they are not talking about sporting equipment?
How unrofessional is that? Imagine if I talked that way in court? The judge would throw me in the hoosgaw for the night for contempt! And rightly so.
If the election was held today, I would vote
for Edwards…
My first choice was Feingold, but….
Jack
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
They used to do it with their fists.
When I was growing up in Ohio it was considered perfectly appropriate to tell a wife-beating joke. It was “just a joke” you see.
perris at 64 — there are word and phrase issues with certain very frequently spammed things that are used in the filters. While I’m not going to get into what words those are (for obvious reasons), sometimes they gum up the works. We can also do user moderation if need be — and we do, mainly for frequent spammers and other folks who have caused issues (as an example, someone who continuously drops by to type in racist screeds…). We try to be very careful with all of that, and are in the process of reviewing some of this — we had things filtered pretty tightly through the election season, because we were getting slammed with SPAM, and we could not handle the volume without the filters. Keeping these threads mostly clean and conversational is not easy — and a little patience with that fact would be much appreciated. Does that help at all?
Bay State Librul @ 69
stupid question, please don’t take this the wrong way;
does anyone think a jewish politican can overcome anti semetism in America?
lhp at 63 I see this website as an after school tutor for many in the press.
Don’t forget Congressional staff and families! We’ve got both.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
course it helps christy, I’ve just been surprised I think two times I let that “f” word slip in and hit enter before I self edited and it got through without moderation.
perris @ 72
yes.
The best payback for Tweety is that Olbermann is the new top dog at MSNBC. Take it from another toiler at the Peacock, when you’re on top it’s the greatest but when you fall off that perch your gig gets a lot less secure.
angie @ 75
Double yes.
Jack
Just up on CNN — Jeb Bush: I have no future.
Anybody know the story?
I missed the news yesterday as Mr. Marks and I were supposed to be flying to Denver.
I miss KO…
His oddball stories are funny.. but
I’m not in a laughing mood when
Bush’s delusionary behavior rips me apart.
Maybe I need to lighten up?
Jack
mrsmarks @ 77
‘I have no future’ — Jeb Bush tells reporters
mrsmarks @ 78
Check it out at Huffington Post
twolf1 @ 80 and jay @ 81 — Many thanks!
OT – Lieberman drops Centrist Coalition for more conservative company
Lieberman is now forming a new bipartisan grouping with Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. Alexander sought the Republican presidential nomination in both 1996 and 2000, when he became known for campaign appearances in a red flannel shirt. Lieberman’s spokesman Marshall Wittman stated that the purpose of his work with Alexander was “to create as many venues for bipartisan discussion as possible.”
Jeb – No future comment – was intrigued by that as well, would love to see video/body language as I loosely connect it in my head with ol 41 breakin’ down last week. a case of you can run, but not hide for this family ? has the chimp brought all the pathogens to the surface ?
gotta go -
gratuitous bouncy holiday tune
sing it to your baby, your Peanut, your kitty/puppy, fellow hipppies, missed loved ones, maybe even yourself if you’ve had trouble locating it lately*g*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FuI8luX3ow
Bay State Librul @ 76
does anyone think a jewish politican can overcome anti semetism in America?
______________
yes.
Double yes.
Jack
absolutely
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
Late to the lake this AM — and am astonished. Just when you think the Rethugs and their mouthpieces can’t slither any lower in their slime trails. Agree heartily with you Christy that this is a shot across the bow. EE is the most effective campaigner out there among the candidates and their families. Maybe Novak and his kind are afraid the sheeple might actually be stirred by an Edwards campaign that points out the obvious disconnects in our society.
Was planning to email EE on another matter today — will have to rethink what to say after my nauseous reaction to Novak. Guess this type of cheap shot is what they will have to expect from Novakula and the dark side.
Hey perris.
Hope you forgive me for my hissyfit downstairs a buncha threads ago (hint: ip ban – d’oh)
tossed in an apology thereabouts yestidie.
jr. & novACK & the badboyz get me so riled sometimes, the old head explodes.
Thanks for the giggle, Christy.
AND especially the delightful novakian smackdown.
All that PLUS egregious‘ dubblestrength cookies. Oh thisn’s just Bob’s lucky day, ain’t it?!
Excellent!
Now, back up the thread to savour the after-dinner mince… ;->
I will pose another question perris.
Does anyone think Muslim politicians can overcome the xe*ophobia that is currently alive and well as exhibited by many (see my 49, for example)?
As long as candidates and politicians put America and our great experiment as a welcoming and good nation first, I think many, diverse people can get elected and should.
(that is– after we purge the disgusting money thing out of elections!)
I think OldCoastie (post #31) nailed it. Novak’s a natural supporter of Newt, who dumped his wife when she was in the hospital being treated for cancer. John Edwards managed not to do the same to his wife in similar circumstances. Therefore, she has to be smeared early and often, to prevent this uncomfortable coincidence from being showcased in ‘08.
And H/T to Christy, who smelled this particular rat in the first place.
Mining Safety
There’s an article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette about the Sago mine investigation. Can you believe it’s been almost a year since the incident. WV state officials gave a presentation of what they think happened and the poor relatives feel like the state is treating them like idiots and not giving them real answers.
Basically the reports says the cause of the explosion was a lightening strike that traveled 2 miles underground before reaching the Sago mine.
I think that Ms. Campbell sums it up correctly:
Christmas is so hard. My three year old girlie is laying in the middle of the floor, crying, because waiting to open presents for a few more days is cruel and unusual punishment.
I can remember how hard it was to be patient, but I had forgotten how emotionally charged the whole Christmas present thing can be when you are small. Now I’m wondering if I should have waited to put out presents…
lisadawn82 @ 90
disgusting– come on Mr. Byrd, Mr. Rockefeller and Mr. Manchin!
Oh Christy…the answer is no, the presents need to stay in the closet until well after Peanut goes to bed on Christmas eve.
Been there, done that, probably should write a book about it.
Wish they’d have handed out the manual on this stuff, don’t you? ;-)
edit: it does get a little better by the time they start first grade…but then they hone their negotiation and arbitration skills, try to wheedle something out of you early.
Right now I have a problem with somebody who’s still smarting over the discovery that Santa isn’t a kindly old man in a red suit, but figures he can negotiate with the person who’s always eaten those cookies and drunk the milk and signed the letter from Santa to the kids every year. [sigh] At least I don’t have to eat the cookies any more.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
My girls are 30 and 35. I remember those days…
My heart goes out… I think you made the right
choice…
Jack
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
Christy– I hate that she’s crying but she will learn a very important lesson– instant gratification is a plague in a way and I think that you’re a better person/parent for teaching her patience.
ps– it’s a big part of the magic of Christmas, too!
We’ve now reverted to sitting on the floor with a coloring book, crayon and safety scissors and we’re making pictures for daddy’s office. It’s not opening presents, but it’s working for the moment…
Norske, you still on?
Tell us about the wee lassie Freya.
twolf1 @
80
Once again proving Jeb the smart one. G-Dub thinks HIS hopes for a legacy are in the future.
Ho–ho–ho.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 96
What about writing a letter to Santa, complete with pictures?
OT – thinkprogress – At midnight on Dec. 31, hundreds of millions of pages of secret documents that are 25 years old or older will be instantly declassified. “After years of extensions sought by federal agencies behaving like college students facing a term paper, the end of 2006 means the government’s first automatic declassification of records.”
angie @ 88
angie, I’m Jewish so I am extra sensitive about the issue
when joe ran with gore, I didn’t know anything about him, but I thought anti semitism would ruin gore’s chances
I was wrong, gore won.
I have no idea if the anti semitism card would be played if feingold ran…no idea at all
Great job, SuperMom!! redirection!!
If only that worked on Novakula…
See this hit piece from 2003? Same M.O., but ramped up because of the proximity to the primaries. I’m digging for more like this, looking earlier in 2003 to see if there’s a stronger parallel.
We need to be demanding better commentary from other sources; Novakula is clearly the hit man they send after the candidates that scare them the most.
Adie @ 87
‘course
OT–Here’s the NYTimes a week or so late on Tom DeLay the blogger:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12…..ref=slogin
angie at 49
Totally agreed! I was stunned to hear about that on the news! What kind of goon is this Gerbil Goode creep?!
If the House extracted an apology out of MeanJean, SURELY they MUST do as much and MORE to repudiate this kind of outrage!
Thank you for pouncing on that story and highlighting it.
Interesting reading at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Novak
Have fun, and we wish he was Opus Dei !
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
Oh how well I remember. Christmas Eve was THE LONGEST night ever!
Christy
This parenting gig ain’t for sissies, eh?
But it’s worth every minute. ;->
Bob Novak is a hack, a stooge, and a washed up journalist. He may as well be on the payroll for the administration, if he isn’t already.
perris @ 101
I really don’t think that anti semitism is all that alive and well in America– it is carefully and constantly monitored by many forces. I worry about any form of discrimination; we have quite a few members of Congress that are Jewish, I worry that others are actively being discriminated against, because of their religion and their views on foreign policy.
Jimmy Carter has touched the “third rail” and check out the reaction he received! This man who has worked endlessly toward peace and justice for ALL people is being reviled by many as an anti semite.
go figure.
thanks, Adie at 105!
PoliticalCritic @ 109
I keep remembering when he stormed off the Crossfire set after someone asked HIM a question – heh heh. Speaks volumes…. the creep.
angry_cyclone @ 107
No, it;s the shortest night!
Go to church. Come home at 1 am. Build Playmobil extravaganza. Fill and put out stockings. Make sure Sanata presents are out. Collapse around 3 am.
At 3:30, the 10 year old ADHD princess begins to wake every 30 minutes demanding to get up and open presents. Luckily, she does not waken her 4 year old brother. Just us.
At 5:30, in a regrettable moment of utter frustration, I cruely threaten to put her presents in the snowbank to rot unless she lets us sleep. Partner begins to weep.
It was a 30 minute night. Never again.
Christy Hardin Smith @
91
christy, you’ve reminded me of some happy christmast memories when i was very young (not much older than your peanut). my folks waited until after we’d gone to sleep on christmas eve to put out their christmas presents for me and my brother. it made the magic of christmas morning to see the room transformed – not just the presents, there was also the partially eaten cookies we’d left for santa.
even so, there would be presents under tree for several days before (from grandparents and other relatives). so my mom would put in a few v. small things (like a hotwheels car – something inexpensive) with them… and we would get to open one of these presents when the anticipation got to be too great for little folks to handle. i don’t think it was ever more than 1 or 2…
you’ve got alot of days to go… you might want to try the “little” bits to give the peanut some relief…. at three waiting a few days really feels like forever.
Adie (108) — Heh. Too funny. You know, I said almost exactly the same thing to somebody else this week.
Parenting is definitely not for light-weights.
Heh.
Theoretically, we’re molding people who are just as smart or smarter than us, and if you’ve got more than one, there’s a team of them you’re coaching. If they turn it on you, wow, a parent can be toast in a matter of seconds.
Between nine-year-old Mr. Future Arbitrator and soon-to-be-thirteen Ms. Future Biochemical Engineer in this household, I am well and truly beaten to a pulp at times with harangue and an excess of logic. Mr. Future Arbitrator believes that since there is no Santa, just Mom and Dad, he should be able to inspect all his presents for compliance with his wish list NOW, so that we have time to rectify any deviations in advance. Ms. Future Biochemical Engineer believes that since Christmas and her birthday are so close together, and they’re within the same month, that the giving should be continuous and fluid, not bundled up into discontinuous, separate “gift releases” on one day and another smaller “gift release” on the other; she has fluidly changed her wish list as goods have been acquired so that the list is constantly fresh.
Ugh. It’s time for yet another Advent lecture about giving being the operative verb during this holiday season.
well it took a long while but that was worth the smiles!!
Thanks Christy!
Rayne @ 114
Priceless picture you painted!
A call to action upstairs, gang; Christy’s fired up!!
ruffian @ 115
I’m at 57 percent and waiting. I hate dial-up
And of course, between the lines is “Thanks, George, for fucking it up for ME, you stupid shit!”
Jeb and GHW must be SO proud.
Christy at 91
You might try an Advent Calendar with little presents in it for each day. It worked with my daughter. Each of the days leading up to Christmas she was allowed the little token for that day from the calendar. Not a perfect solution but it is still a part of the tradition and used today for a 40 year old ‘little girl’.
Men and especially Republican men apparently are very afraid of educated, intelligent Democratic registered women who can talk in complete sentences and who are capable of debate. Some how they have never entertained the fact that fact. I am sure their up bringing has instilled into them that that is not lady-like. Argh!!!!!!!
I’m with fallenmonk; I guess I’ve forgotten how the earliest Christmases, when my daughter was 2, 3, 4 were tempered with Advent Calendars. The best one was the first one, a Velveteen Rabbit one that told the story over the course of the month. We still have one that tells the story of the Nutcracker, but we haven’t had it out since we moved into our new home.
The one my son loved was purchased for us when he was 3; it had a chocolate behind every door.
Back on topic for a second: found another earlier smear piece by Novak on Howard Dean, labeling him “The Anti-Bush“. For a guy who’s supposed to be a registered Democratic voter, Novak does not do any favors for the grassroots of the Democratic Party. He is DLC all the way, and I suspect that says a LOT about the nature of the DLC; probably not a real Democratic Party function, but a centrist-to-rightwing function masquerading as a Democratic group.
Oh, here…Leslie Harpold, who recently passed away, published wonderful interactive Advent Calendars online for five years straight.
They are still archived at her site (scroll down), worth bookmarking. Might be able to squeeze in one new day every couple of hours to keep some little people busy between now and Christmas night.
Rayne @ 117
Hmm…Pach.
Novak a democrat???
Matthews is no different than the boneheads to whom being alpha male is their reason to exist & lets loose with the same cut-women-down-to-their-teeny-size crap you can hear from any smelly, low-life loser in bars in every locale in this country. He might not feel so free to insult if he had ever gotten his lights punched out by a woman who had had enough, which I have witnessed. It was immensely entertaining to all witnesses.
I think the motive is far more sinister than just trying to incite their conservative base. In my opinion this is how the conservative republicans “use” social issues, emotionality and prejudice to pull voters from the “liberal” or democratic folds. It not only fuels the corporate response but I don’t really believe than any of the neo cons really believe what they “incite”. I think they incite to split the dems.
There are emotional issues that go with being blue collar. They have to do with rascism and sexism. They can pull votes from the dems or pro union folks by using these very emotional issues. They are emasculating Edwards by implying that his wife is coming on “too strong.” They did it with Hillary. The interesting thing is that Clinton cheated, with women. It balanced their attempts to emasulate him. Sick isn’t it?
Nope. There are some union guys who will only hear that Edwards wife is pushy and won’t even care that he’s pro union. My husband is an electrician in the union. I am not saying that all electricians will feel this way, but I am saying that some will go republican over this issue, they hit on an emotional level that splits democrats. They are always looking for the split. THey are geniuses at this.
that clip with matthews led me to contact the edwards website and ask to be put on a list of volunteers for my state if he runs for the presidency.
when he first came on the scene, i figured he was kind of a bob forehead sort of guy – and i’d never paid much attention to him or his wife.
i liked what he had to say about the war and i liked that his wife felt comfortable speaking up. why have her on the show if her input wasn’t needed? its not like another robo-wife would have added anything.
as a two time breast cancer survivor (two boobs, two seperate cancers)-whose husband stuck by me wonderfully – i admire that he too stuck by her. it’s amazing to me how many stories i’ve heard from other survivors about husbands and boyfriends doing exactly as newt. i appreciate matthews and novak drawing the attention of women like me to the edwards family.
Biodun (124) — my bad; I hyperscanned the article, thought it was Christy’s because I know how hot she was about the breastfed infant being denied access to its mother and vice versa.
Definitely Pach’s call to arms.
rwcole (125) — that’s what Wikipedia says, that Novak’s a Democrat. I call bullsh*t, more like an auxiliary member of the Lieberwhore for Lieberwhore Party.
Novak’s Republican friends want to run against Hillary because they think they know how to beat her.
Any Democratic candidate who threatens this will bear the brunt of odd-looking GOP hits, like this one.
Edwards strength in Iowa is beginning to bother GOP operatives who have already created an anti-Hillary campaign and want to run with it.
On the eve of the holidays, I ask everyone to show some pity for Mrs. Novak. Imagine having to live with this wretched piece of Republican dung. Then ponder the sight of him, pumped to the gills with Viagra, bearing down on you.
I shudder at the thought.
Poor poor woman.
Christy Hardin Smith @
7
Your just now getting that feeling? If last week in the Northwest wasn’t a warning (I had 80 mph winds, down trees, no power, temps just above zero before wind chill factored in…)get those candles, blankets and emergency radio’s out and find someone to snuggle with (keep the water running slowly to prevent pipe freeze even though every other part of home and body will freeze…..)
nrl @ 128
I just wanted to tell you your post affected me – in a good way.
I don’t have cancer but a physical disability and a wonderful husband that has “stuck”.
I admire John and Elizabeth and will gladly support him!
I read Novak’s paragraph as a suggestion that there’s a very close relationship between Elizabeth Edwards, Edwards and Bonior–a menage a trois perhaps. I think we’ve just seen the first step in the next Republican whispering campaign.
Gary
VILE SCUM is way way way too mild a term for these people. Can anybody think of stronger, more accurate terms to describe
Matthews & Novak?
Please help–If only for the sake of honest, accurate reporting!
How about: “Zombie smegma”?
Dang! Still not accurately strong enough!!
There are plenty of “conservatives” in the blogosphere, it’s just that only 15 of them can rite gud.
Nancy Reagan was the last competent First Lady (or Madame Presidentress, as we used to say in the 19th century). She could do the First Lady thing and meantime whisper sage council in Ronnie’s ear. Barbara Bush didn’t seem to have any effect; she probably did not have the standing to tell George when he was fucking up. And she obviously had no class. Hillary Clinton got out in front and when her health care project went down in flames, Bill could not fire her: he could not create closure for the fiasco and it hurt him. Laura Bush has no ability to slap George around and make him see reason.
Ms. Edwards clearly has what it takes to serve as the political rudder in the background, and pull off the whole First Lady thing as well.
Edwards is now TIED in iowa with Obama.
Seems to me like some people are starting to realize that Edwards is just fluff.
Why did the Communists in the Old Soviet Union hate labor unions as much as today’s Republican Party (and Robert Novak) hate labor unions?
I don’t know about you, but when I see people either censoring or advocating the censorship of the same things, I must assume that they have the same mindset.
And in the case of the Republicans and the Communists, and based on their censoring or advocating the censorship of the same things, then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that they are all control-freak, monopolistic, authoritarian conservatives.
In other words, the old-fashioned, so-called leftist versus rightist designations no longer hold any water for me. The Communist, anti-union leaders of the Old Soviet Union had the same ideological foundation as the anti-union Republican Party of today…control-freak, monopolistic, authoritarian conservatives.
This explains a whole lot about what is happening in America. Liberal Democrats, Libertarian Republicans and freedom-loving Independents are facing Corporate Communists, Christian Communists, Islamo-Communists, as well as numerous other control-freak, monopolistic, authoritarian conservatives, hell-bent on subjugating everyone else to their control-freak, monopolistic, authoritarian conservative agenda.
I pray that our liberal democracy with our liberal democratic principles will prevail.
Merry Christmas, y’all.
citizensue @ 37
I’m a day late on this one, but #37 hit part of my thought regarding Novak’s motives…
There’s a syndication contingent of aging boomers spread out all over, and the subliminal effect of saying this about Elizabeth Edwards is effective because to white bread surburbia folk who detested Clinton for every reason under the sun, which in the end had nothing to do with his policies or accomplishments, this brings them back (whether they know it or not) to a comfortable place, a familiar frame of mind that not only allows them to dislike someone because they’re a Democrat, but to hate them because of something they can’t quite put their finger on…
Labor equals family which tastes good when covered in values…and there you have it, a dynamic to pry Edwards away from his potential swing voters who would rather vote with their puritan instincts when it comes down to possibly crossing over…because the last thing they want to think about before dying is that they helped another kinky elitist embarrass us all…
Always strikes me as pathetic how (and I know several of these types, many live right around me) needless carnage like the kind in Iraq provokes no shame, yet the misdeeds of Clinton are unforgivable.
Novak is speaking subliminally to these people. And they’re just the kind to get the local two-bit paper with his formeldahyde-heavy face on the back of section A, giving them the inside-scoop…shit, I’m getting sick just picturing the guy.