
Let's start with the obvious: Bob Novak is not to be trusted. Period. And when I read one of his articles, I find myself always trying to figure out the slant -- and to whose benefit it accrues -- and why. It is as though Bob provides a Beltway Cocktail Weenie puzzle in every column.
This morning, Novak has an op-ed in the WaPo that makes for some good read between the lines fun. It's ostensibly about the Edwards candidacy for the 2008 Presidential nomination and labor's muscle possibly lining up behind him...but there is something between the lines in this one that I found rather interesting.
First of all, Novak spits out the word "labor" with a level of contempt generally reserved for child molesters -- he's such a friend of big money that the thought of workers having rights must be physically painful for him -- so anything he is saying that is alleged to be coming from the mouths of big labor's leadership? Call me skeptical. But Novak does understand power -- and labor can put a lot of muscle behind a candidate in the Democratic party -- so what is his motivation for discussing potential endorsement angles this early?
What Novak is saying about Edwards potentially having some heavyweight support from labor is accurate from what I have been hearing -- in terms of the support part. Edwards' "Two America's" speech stands out as one of the few moments where poverty and questions of economic fairness were even discussed at any level in the public square. (And the policy questions which were posited in that speech have been explored more thoroughly with some pilot poverty programs through the One America foundation that the Edwards family set up after the 2004 loss.)
But it is this paragraph that made me wonder what Novak's true angle is:
The labor operatives pondering their '08 decisions also confess they are less than comfortable with a prominent role in the campaign for Edwards's wife, Elizabeth, who never has been a political spouse who stays in the shadows. It is not good news for Edwards if some Teamsters are put off by the triumvirate of John Edwards, Elizabeth Edwards and Dave Bonior.But Edwards's sunny aura and commanding presence can transcend the negative impact of anybody at his side....
So, let me get this straight: Novak says that labor has a problem with the Edwards marriage being a strong one? Or that Elizabeth Edwards needs to learn to shut her mouth and behave like a good little wife who only bakes cookies (or at least pretends to do so publicly for PR purposes) and doesn't bother her pretty little head about stuff like politics or caring about poor people or anything like that...unless it involves the baking of the aforementioned cookies, publicly, and for PR purposes? No thinking for yourself, hon, you married a politician.
News flash for Novak: women can both bake cookies AND think for themselves, thank you very much.
I have a feeling that this was meant as a smack at David Bonior, who was demonized by the right when he was the number two in the House under Dick Gephardt -- perhaps as a means of getting some attention from John Edwards who is sure to take a peek at a Novak column disparaging his wife. But what a condescending way to get attention. Why choose the low road?
Oh wait, this is Bob Novak we are talking about, isn't it?
And does anyone really believe that Novak would write a column about a Democratic Presidential candidate (almost -- announcement is said to be forthcoming from Edwards) and his choice of advisors, one of whom may or may not be causing a little concern for labor...out of the goodness of Novak's shriveled-up, blackened heart? Do we look like we just fell off the politics truck?
There are some other little tidbits in this article that just do not add up based on my contacts with labor. But that "Elizabeth Edwards ought to stay in her place" paragraph just shot right out there as a "what the hell?" moment. Was Novak's agenda a not-so-subtle reminder to conservatives about why they didn't like Hillary, version 2.0, and that they could re-live the heady days of health care reform with an Edwards victory? Is it a warning shot across the Pickles bow? It was just such a jarringly weird insert into this op-ed that it deserves a little scrutiny -- and a whole lot of ridicule.
Hey Bob -- no cookies for you.
(But, just for fun, I thought you guys would get a kick out of this Handelsman animation. Call this your early holiday giggle.)
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I think my fitz! got hung up in Denver….
Good morning! Say it with me, I loathe these people…
Morning gang…must make coffee now.
BTW, I updated already and added in a link to a Handlesman animation. Thought everyone could use a giggle.)
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twolf1 at 6 — holy crap! And why am I feeling the need to rush out to the store and stock up on milk and other staples…
reads to me like novak was picking up on tweety’s expressed concern last week when he wondered in response to elizabeth edwards’ comments. the wdc chatter circuit likes their womminfolk botoxed and sedated — just like laura:
MATTHEWS: I love it. You‘re great. Behind every great man, there‘s a woman trying to kill him.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
E. EDWARDS: He has great characteristics.
MATTHEWS: What is it? Does she do this? Does she bust your balls like this when you come home? When you get (INAUDIBLE), does she do that?
CROWD: (APPLAUSE)
E. EDWARDS: My children are watching this.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: What‘s this with the equal marriages? Why do people marry their equals? It used to be different? What happened to the Stepford wives, the good old days? What happened?
CROWD: (BOOING)
MATTHEWS: Oh, how P.C. How—why don‘t you hiss?
Oh, thank you. Finally, the freaking hiss. I needed it. It was the hiss. I needed that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16186985/
HA! Something wrong with Edwards that he would only have been married once - very suspicious!
now, if he were more like Newt, I’m sure Novak could trust him…
who wants coffee?
Can you tell that Novak pissed me off this morning? What is it with these pundit people and their need to smack the missus around?
OldCoastie @ 10
Me! to go along with my morning d r i f t g l a s s
:-)
OldCoastie @ 9
Why yes, this could be the problem….
these are people who don’t like women.
Morning all!
Christy thanks for the giggles– that Handelsman animation was just the ticket!
(erm, not the ticket I want for ‘08, mind you!)
:>) Gore in ‘08!
g’mornin christy and all firedogs here at teh lake
I love this particular sentence christy;
that’s it right there, that’s the direction we need to go if we want to get America back where it belongs, a government for the PEOPLE and BY the people, NOT for corporations and CERTAINLY not by corporations
we need to direct the conversation as if it’s unamerican to suppose a corporation should enjoy more rights and more protection then a person
it IS unamerican, yet corporate marketing has somehow convinced the American middle class that labor should be beholden to business
in America it’s SUPPOSED to be the other way around and we have to get that message across
or have issues with their mothers…
be nice if they’d just grow up.
Mornin’ Christy,
Sorry I missed the two Plame posts yesterday. I got a belated Fitz fix this AM going back to read them. I was in the world’s longest deosition all day and into the night.
On topic,
I met and had lunch with David Bonior when he was #2 in the House. He impressed me very much. He seemed strangley uncynical for someone who had been inside the Beltway for so long and who had risen to a leadership position in Congress.
It looks like Novak is trying to stir the s**t as they say. Create problems where there are none. What a pleasant man. Not
Yeah these guys don’t like wimmen unless they are shrieking harpies like Debbie Schlussel or Ann Coulter.
I dunno *what* to think aout Matthews. A step and-a-half forwad, then step back. In general he’s been a lot less loathsome recently, but then the lizard-brain kicks in, and he drops a dumb-ass bomb.
Novak, otoh, I *do* know what to think about him.
OT - here’s the ‘official’ transcript from yesterday’s babbling chimpy presser:
Press Conference by the President
Indian Treaty Room
Good Lord! The primary reason I am considering supporting John Edwards is Elizabeth Edwards.
How anyone with a lick of sense and a soul could see this extraordinary woman as a political liability escapes me.
Oops, well, my last sentence answers how Novak managed such a feat.
Fucking Matthews has such a low self esteem and need for approval he will say anything to be popular.
Old Gold @ 22
I’m guessing their polls show Edwards is a real threat… gotta make Obama a Muslim and Edwards pussywhipped…
at least they are showing their hands early…
1,367 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
When do we get to ignore fascist propagandists…as far as I am concerned, Novakula speaks only to other bloodless trolls and I haven’t read a single thing he’s written in years. Senator Edwards will take care of this worthless shitbag and his smarmy, condescending toilet trash so let’s let’s not spend anymore of our precious emotional energy on ‘im.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE ARE LOTSA BATTLES STILL TO BE FOUGHT!!
When did Novak become relevant again?
Honestly, I should start writing a syndicated column. The only qualification seems to be…well shit, I can’t think of any.
btw, for folks who are trying to find Atrios this morning — he’s been bloggered. But has put together a temporary site here.
Mornin’ All,
excellent point @ #9 Old Coastie, simply excellent !
aw right, time to get up and out into the cold, cold room…
everyone have a holly-jolly day!
Old Gold @ 22
I was wondering if I missed some gaffe that happened in the last few days. Why would Leizabeth Edwards be offputting to the teamsters?
I didn’t understand the premise for that paragraph.
OldCoastie @
9
Precisely OC,
Especially considering that Mrs. Edwards is a cancer survivor.
Male Republicans - such as Newt and Novak - instinctively realize that serving an ailing spouse with divorce papers, while she is in the hospital fighting cancer, is the stand-up GOP thing to do. Truly, how can the Newt-Novak wing of the family values crowd trust Edwards after missing an opportunity like that?
slainte,
cl
Hit me with the pot, OC. Need to load up on the caffeine, up way too late again last night.
Sounds like I need to put the ear to the ground.
I don’t think this is Teamsters driven, far too early. There’s something fishy about this, since Bonior has been a professor of Labor Studies at Wayne State here in Michigan (definitely Teamsters country) and has protested free trade agreements. If anything, I thing Teamsters are still feeling their way along after the rift between them and AFL-CIO and their subsequent alignment with SEIU; I know they were poking around in mid-late 2003, hadn’t thrown behind anybody, in advance of 2004.
Somebody is stirring the pot, trying to make trouble. Novak is a willing pawn, just as he was in the outing of Valerie Plame, and in the passing of information from a meeting of Poppy Bush’s chief advisors during 41’s administration…
Which begs the question: is Karl Rove behind this? is he working for a Republican candidate already? or is he simply working for the RNC?
Or is he making a preemptive strike on the first Democratic candidate with real potential to win the primary, in advance of his announcement in NOLA within the week?
This has a ring of truth to it, doesn’t it?
and let’s not forget tweety’s comments about nancy pelosi re the hoyer/murtha issue a few weeks ago. tweety’s got huge issues with women in positions of power. it isn’t just hillary clinton whom he despises/is enthralled by:
MATTHEWS: Is she going to castrate Steny Hoyer if he gets in there?
Is she going say, you may be there in form, but you‘re not there in fact?
Christy, you might also give some thought to the knife Novak is trying to stick into organizational split of CTW unions and the AFL-CIO, completely ignoring the fact that both groups put aside their organizational differences and joined together in this past election to fuel one of the most massive and successful GOTV operations in history, which played a major part in winning back Congress.
Christy,
If you need Bob Novak’s publicity photo I found it here.
The nerve of John Edwards to have a wife who is not a Paxil dosed automaton like Pickles Bush. It reminds me of the hit job done to Howard Deans’ wife too.
-GSD
P.S. If you haven’t seen the Debbie Schlussel hitpiece on Barack Obama—she likes to use his middle name like the Lee Atwater wing of the Republican party does to.
Hate-piece by Schlussel.
well, lhp, doncha know? teamsters are REAL men! they don’t have wives or mothers or sisters who actually speak there minds! and how could they associate with someone like that?
I’m thinking it’s just a guess on Novak’s part - good journalist like him can make shit up!
Sounds like Novacula is trying to cast Elizabeth Edwards as another… *gasp* Hillary. Why hasn’t someone put a stake through this guys heart?
NorskeFlamethrower @ 25
Sorry to disagree, at little bit. In many instances, mybe most instances, I would agree with you that it is best to try to ignore assholes into oblivian. Make tham the tree falling in the forest without sound b/c no one is there to hear them.
However, there is also a theme in law relating to tacit approval. You see it come up in conspiracy cases alot.
If someone says something that you don’t agree with, or that you know to be untrue and you don’t speak up and correct the record, in some instances you can be subject to an inference that you DID agree with the statement.
shorter version–which we learned from swiftboating:
no pushback=acceptance
Christy, you might also give some thought to the knife Novak is trying to stick into the organizational split of CTW unions and the AFL-CIO, completely ignoring the fact that both groups put aside their organizational differences and joined together in this past election to fuel one of the most massive and successful GOTV operations in history, which played a major part in winning back Congress.
and can someone explain to me again, why isn’t novak in jail?
OldCoastie @ 29
How do you blog fronder the nice warm covers? I want to learn how to do that
Tom @
26
When he jetisoned his religion and converted from Judaism to Catholicism so that he could fit in!!!
looseheadprop @ 40
laptop plus wireless equals under the covers…
linda @ 8
I saw that interview.
I thought he said “Does she bite your balls when you come home”
(maybe he is projecting?)
And eventually (when Matthews shuts up) Elizabeth brings up Matthews very smart wife, which at that point Matthews quickly changes the subject and Elizabeth brings attention to that too. I loved her! The interview was just weird.
jayt @
3
My C-Span reception on TWcable flickered and the caller’s call was garbled all at the same time.
Coincidence? I think not.
Novak sounds like he’s just trying to start some friction. Don’t listen to him.
OldCoastie @ 35
My daddy was a Teamster. Taught me how to curse out cabbies who cut you off on the road before i was 7. He had 4 daughters who all speak their minds, every freakin’ day.
“Real men” aren’t afraid of powerful women.
Real men don’t feel emascualted by powerful women (Tweety’s castration comment is SOOOO revealing).
Real men are up to the challenge of sharing ideas and laughter and passions with strong women.
I’ve known a lot of Teamsters in my life (for a short while I was a Teamster myself, a lot of municipal government lawyers are).
Teamsters are not afraid of strong or opinionated woman. At least none of the Teamsters I have ever met. Why is Novak trying to slander the Teamsters?
GSD at 35 — My first thought on this is that they know how well liked Elizabeth really is, and how effective she is campaigning (she was the biggest draw in WV in the last campaign, I kid you not…), that Novak is trying to do a sort of “brush back” from the mound at her. A warning, of sorts, to John Edwards that things will get worse if he runs.
What a wanker Novak is.
Sierra Volk @ 34
I doubt he’s ignoring it; rather, he’s hoping to make sure it doesn’t happen again. I suspect we’re going to be seeing a lot about how the Democrats are pawns of those corrupt labor unions, trying to keep them from actually enacting some real pro-labor legislation, because if they do, you aren’t going to see any unions dallying with the Republicans for a long time.
as long as we are talking about a*shats and wankers, I linked to Think Progress yesterday about Virgil Goode and his hateful comments about Muslims; here is the full text of his letter:
I have contacted my rep and senators and will contact Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Leader Pelosi shortly. This xenophobia and bigotry is deserving of censure and complete exposure, imho.
here’s the wapoo article about this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01318.html
linda @8 says(no doubt from a transcript):
But I watched that show and I’m sure he said “bite your balls…” The only possible excuse was that he’d been sick for two weeks and off the tube.
And Angie @ 15, I’m with you:
He’s “the one!”
OldCoastie @ 42
I have laptop with wirless, but cannot type at all in bed. Iam bed enough on a hard surface. You must be much more coordinated than me. Last time I tried to READ my laptop in bed, I wound up bobling it and dropping it on th efloor.
twolf1 @ 21
A Bush press conference in the “Indian Treaty Room”? Wow, they really do have no sense of irony.
dang it, i must have used a bad word!
(in moderation…)
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Citizen looseheadprop:
Please do not apologize for disagreein’ with me, after all it’s in my job description under “lackey takes shit”…seriously though, I understand the concept of tacit approval. We can only tacitly approve, however, if we read the son of a bitch’s crap and don’t respond. If we don’t read the shit, we don’t place ourselves in the position of havin’ ta waste time countering it or goin’ on the record. Also, there is another concept called “conservation of entropy” and when ya get as old as I, you tend to keep what energy ya got left close and not waste it.
I jest think that Fitz, Edwards or anyone else that Novakula dumps on can take ‘im down while the rest of us get on with more serious stuff…like heatin up the butter for the popcorn before jury selection starts.
KEEP THE FAITH , THE RIGHTS YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 46
A brush back might work on a callow youth like Obama, who seems VERY risk averse. But the Edwards Clan has already been through the wringer. They know exactly how bad it’s gonna get.
Angie at 52 — you are out. Sorry, missed that it was stuck for a minute there…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
that was quick– thanks Ms. Christy and no apologies needed from you to me, ever!
(oh, and the bold in my 49 is mine!)
But…but…I just sent Bob cookies. My brother Bob.
Shameless O/T snowblogging from Denver here;
http://gobstruck.blogspot.com/.....htful.html
and here;
http://gobstruck.blogspot.com/.....-snow.html
Over 24 hours now.
egregious @ 56
Did they have rat poison in them? Or garlic?
Ann in AZ @ 49
He did say “bite” and I think that’s what shocked E Edwards so much…more than ‘ball-busting’ would have. It’s nice to see JE appreciate what a great woman he found as it comes across naturally. She can only help, not hurt his chances.
I was also struck by how much John Edwards has learned and grown in the past few years.
Bite me, Novak. What a total goober.
Several years ago, Bonior traveled to a (red) state I used to live in to campaign for someone for Congress. My candidate didn’t have much of a shot, but Bonior gave it all he had. He really impressed me.
And is there a more intelligent, gracious, lovely woman in American politics than Elizabeth Edwards? I don’t think so.
Novak, double bite me.
Norsk
You got a point. I wish novakula was gone, but while he is still here, we have to help develope the talking points for the pushback (cause lord knows the rest of the MSM won’t figure out w/o help which is why so many seem to lurk here)or else no other point of view wil be expressed.
In many ways I see this website as an after school tutor for many in the press. How many times have I turned on the TV a few hours after seeing a topic discussed here and found a KO piece or David Schusster that expressed the very same themes we had discussed they day before or earlier that same day?
How often have I seen someone ask in the threads “how come no reporter ever asked?” and then heard that question at the next W/H briefing?
What you guys do here matters. A lot.
how come I can curse and not go into moderation?
are there user filters here?
I would love it just once if one of these people getting interviewed by the stupid head on a stick turned the question around on the interviewer to show how fucking stupid they are.
Novak’s shriveled-up, blackened heart
I once forgot about a roast beef in the oven, came back hours later to find a smoking little black ball.
Maybe Novak’s heart is something like that.
The roast story still makes me giggle, which is good for such a dark day. Thanks TRex and TSF for the love.
Twisted Martini @ 60
Not this time.
BTW, and coming from a potty mouth like me, this is the height of hypocrasy:
Since when it it acceptable for a TV news guys to ask an interview subject any question containing the phrase “bust your balls” or “bite your balls”, or any other refence to “balls” when they are not talking about sporting equipment?
How unrofessional is that? Imagine if I talked that way in court? The judge would throw me in the hoosgaw for the night for contempt! And rightly so.
If the election was held today, I would vote
for Edwards…
My first choice was Feingold, but….
Jack
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
They used to do it with their fists.
When I was growing up in Ohio it was considered perfectly appropriate to tell a wife-beating joke. It was “just a joke” you see.
perris at 64 — there are word and phrase issues with certain very frequently spammed things that are used in the filters. While I’m not going to get into what words those are (for obvious reasons), sometimes they gum up the works. We can also do user moderation if need be — and we do, mainly for frequent spammers and other folks who have caused issues (as an example, someone who continuously drops by to type in racist screeds…). We try to be very careful with all of that, and are in the process of reviewing some of this — we had things filtered pretty tightly through the election season, because we were getting slammed with SPAM, and we could not handle the volume without the filters. Keeping these threads mostly clean and conversational is not easy — and a little patience with that fact would be much appreciated. Does that help at all?
Bay State Librul @ 69
stupid question, please don’t take this the wrong way;
does anyone think a jewish politican can overcome anti semetism in America?
lhp at 63 I see this website as an after school tutor for many in the press.
Don’t forget Congressional staff and families! We’ve got both.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
course it helps christy, I’ve just been surprised I think two times I let that “f” word slip in and hit enter before I self edited and it got through without moderation.
perris @ 72
yes.
The best payback for Tweety is that Olbermann is the new top dog at MSNBC. Take it from another toiler at the Peacock, when you’re on top it’s the greatest but when you fall off that perch your gig gets a lot less secure.
angie @ 75
Double yes.
Jack
Just up on CNN — Jeb Bush: I have no future.
Anybody know the story?
I missed the news yesterday as Mr. Marks and I were supposed to be flying to Denver.
I miss KO…
His oddball stories are funny.. but
I’m not in a laughing mood when
Bush’s delusionary behavior rips me apart.
Maybe I need to lighten up?
Jack
mrsmarks @ 77
‘I have no future’ — Jeb Bush tells reporters
mrsmarks @ 78
Check it out at Huffington Post
twolf1 @ 80 and jay @ 81 — Many thanks!
OT - Lieberman drops Centrist Coalition for more conservative company
Lieberman is now forming a new bipartisan grouping with Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. Alexander sought the Republican presidential nomination in both 1996 and 2000, when he became known for campaign appearances in a red flannel shirt. Lieberman’s spokesman Marshall Wittman stated that the purpose of his work with Alexander was “to create as many venues for bipartisan discussion as possible.”
Jeb - No future comment - was intrigued by that as well, would love to see video/body language as I loosely connect it in my head with ol 41 breakin’ down last week. a case of you can run, but not hide for this family ? has the chimp brought all the pathogens to the surface ?
gotta go -
gratuitous bouncy holiday tune
sing it to your baby, your Peanut, your kitty/puppy, fellow hipppies, missed loved ones, maybe even yourself if you’ve had trouble locating it lately*g*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FuI8luX3ow
Bay State Librul @ 76
does anyone think a jewish politican can overcome anti semetism in America?
______________
yes.
Double yes.
Jack
absolutely
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
Late to the lake this AM — and am astonished. Just when you think the Rethugs and their mouthpieces can’t slither any lower in their slime trails. Agree heartily with you Christy that this is a shot across the bow. EE is the most effective campaigner out there among the candidates and their families. Maybe Novak and his kind are afraid the sheeple might actually be stirred by an Edwards campaign that points out the obvious disconnects in our society.
Was planning to email EE on another matter today — will have to rethink what to say after my nauseous reaction to Novak. Guess this type of cheap shot is what they will have to expect from Novakula and the dark side.
Hey perris.
Hope you forgive me for my hissyfit downstairs a buncha threads ago (hint: ip ban - d’oh)
tossed in an apology thereabouts yestidie.
jr. & novACK & the badboyz get me so riled sometimes, the old head explodes.
Thanks for the giggle, Christy.
AND especially the delightful novakian smackdown.
All that PLUS egregious‘ dubblestrength cookies. Oh thisn’s just Bob’s lucky day, ain’t it?!
Excellent!
Now, back up the thread to savour the after-dinner mince… ;->
I will pose another question perris.
Does anyone think Muslim politicians can overcome the xe*ophobia that is currently alive and well as exhibited by many (see my 49, for example)?
As long as candidates and politicians put America and our great experiment as a welcoming and good nation first, I think many, diverse people can get elected and should.
(that is– after we purge the disgusting money thing out of elections!)
I think OldCoastie (post #31) nailed it. Novak’s a natural supporter of Newt, who dumped his wife when she was in the hospital being treated for cancer. John Edwards managed not to do the same to his wife in similar circumstances. Therefore, she has to be smeared early and often, to prevent this uncomfortable coincidence from being showcased in ‘08.
And H/T to Christy, who smelled this particular rat in the first place.
Mining Safety
There’s an article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette about the Sago mine investigation. Can you believe it’s been almost a year since the incident. WV state officials gave a presentation of what they think happened and the poor relatives feel like the state is treating them like idiots and not giving them real answers.
Basically the reports says the cause of the explosion was a lightening strike that traveled 2 miles underground before reaching the Sago mine.
I think that Ms. Campbell sums it up correctly:
Christmas is so hard. My three year old girlie is laying in the middle of the floor, crying, because waiting to open presents for a few more days is cruel and unusual punishment.
I can remember how hard it was to be patient, but I had forgotten how emotionally charged the whole Christmas present thing can be when you are small. Now I’m wondering if I should have waited to put out presents…
lisadawn82 @ 90
disgusting– come on Mr. Byrd, Mr. Rockefeller and Mr. Manchin!
Oh Christy…the answer is no, the presents need to stay in the closet until well after Peanut goes to bed on Christmas eve.
Been there, done that, probably should write a book about it.
Wish they’d have handed out the manual on this stuff, don’t you? ;-)
edit: it does get a little better by the time they start first grade…but then they hone their negotiation and arbitration skills, try to wheedle something out of you early.
Right now I have a problem with somebody who’s still smarting over the discovery that Santa isn’t a kindly old man in a red suit, but figures he can negotiate with the person who’s always eaten those cookies and drunk the milk and signed the letter from Santa to the kids every year. [sigh] At least I don’t have to eat the cookies any more.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
My girls are 30 and 35. I remember those days…
My heart goes out… I think you made the right
choice…
Jack
Christy Hardin Smith @ 91
Christy– I hate that she’s crying but she will learn a very important lesson– instant gratification is a plague in a way and I think that you’re a better person/parent for teaching her patience.
ps– it’s a big part of the magic of Christmas, too!
We’ve now reverted to sitting on the floor with a coloring book, crayon and safety scissors and we’re making pictures for daddy’s office. It’s not opening presents, but it’s working for the moment…
Norske, you still on?
Tell us about the wee lassie Freya.
twolf1 @
80
Once again proving Jeb the smart one. G-Dub thinks HIS hopes for a legacy are in the future.
Ho–ho–ho.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 96
What about writing a letter to