Uh-oh. Move over Mary Cheney.
LONDON, England (Reuters) — Flora, a pregnant Komodo dragon living in a British zoo, is expecting eight babies in what scientists said on Wednesday could be a Christmas virgin birth.
Flora has never mated, or even mixed, with a male dragon, and fertilized all the eggs herself, a process culminating in parthenogenesis, or virgin birth. Other lizards do this, but scientists only recently found that Komodo dragons do too.
"Nobody in their wildest dreams expected this. But you have a female dragon on her own. She produces a clutch of eggs and those eggs turn out to be fertile. It is nature finding a way," Kevin Buley of Chester Zoo in England said in an interview.
He said the incubating eggs could hatch around Christmas.
Kudos on the timing of that, Flora. It'll make the Wingnut crowd have kittens. Ordinary, heterosexually fertilized, pro-life kittens, of course, but yes, kittens.
As you can see in the clip above, this has already started making waves in the Conservative Christianist community. On December 6th, Anderson Cooper hosted sex columnist Dan Savage and Janice Crouse from the Beverly LeHay Institute, the "Think" Tank for the Concerned Women for America to discuss Flora's decision to inseminate herself and the possible ramifications for her children.
Anderson Cooper: Janice, let me start with you. You described this pregnancy as wrong and even unconscionable. Why?
Janice Crouse: Well, it's not really about Flora the Komodo Dragon. It's about the baby dragons that are going to be born without a father. We have in this country right now a real tragedy that one third and more of our children are being born without a father in the family.
This has ramifications that are disastrous for those dragons. You know, so many people talk about doing this, that or the other for the children of this country. Well, the best thing you can do for a child today is to marry the father and have a family.
COOPER: But isn't this…
CROUSE: That would be the best arrangement for that child to grow up with, the best environment.
Dan Savage counters:
DAN SAVAGE, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: The studies that she's citing, many of which have been debunked show that the best case, the best thing for a child, is to have two lizards in the home. A lot of the studies have shown the negative impact of there being a single dragon family are children who have experienced divorce where usually the father who's gone. So the studies measure the impact of the missing lizard, which is typically in our culture the father.
But what we're really measuring in the studies is the impact of having just one parent. All the studies of gay and lesbian families, families headed by gay and lesbian couples, have shown that dragons are just as healthy, just as well cared for, just as likely to identify as heterosexuals, or lesbian and gay, when they grow up.
And just the American Medical Association and the American Bar Association, the American Academy of Child-Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, all these groups and more, who are primarily concerned with the welfare of dragons, have signed off and approved of and endorsed the rights of gay and lesbian couples to start their own families.
We heart Dan Savage.
Crouse, for her part, responds in the typical fashion of Wingnuts when confronted with evidence that disproves their emotional convictions, "That's not true! You made it up! God told me that parthenogenetic reproduction is WRONG and that Komodo dragon is going to Lizard Hell, y'hear me? HELL!!"
CROUSE: The research says very differently. You know, you look at the — any other household arrangement, you're going to find those little lizards are very vulnerable to all sorts of negative outcomes. They're going to drop out of school more. They're going to get into drugs more. They're going to start drinking earlier. All those things…
SAVAGE: With all due respect, that's simply not true. That's simply not true, with all due respect.
CROUSE: I'm sorry, but the research shows differently.
SAVAGE: Those studies have been debunked. You can go on Google and debunk everything she's saying in five seconds.
(snip)
SAVAGE: Does she propose to take those eggs away from Flora the Komodo Dragon and her partner Judy and maybe give them to Britney Spears or Andrea Yates? Heterosexual parents are not the magic ticket to a stable home life and a stable home environment for a baby dragon. There's so much evidence out there that that's just not the case.
Flora herself was not available for comment, but issued a terse statement through her spokeslizard, "Judy and I are very excited about the arrival of our children. However, we ask that you respect our privacy and the privacy of our family at this time. Thank you."
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Fitz! Oddball!
Fitz
Again and again
Dammit twolf1
I was going for 3 nights in a row
:)
If Barbara did it- then Sr. is off the hook- ask for a paternity test Sr.- you may have had nothin ta do with this kid!
Trex,
Being a distant relative of Flora, please give her my best. I just love to see a lizard drive the wingnuts batty.
OMG, more Cheney family follies!
I just don’t be be anywhere near that house for Christmas dinner…
“Go f*** yourself!”
“No, you go f*** yourself!”
“Oh, stop it, you two… Just f*** it off!”
Btw…
Hi, everyone! : )
The Israeli government is not our friend.
Former President Jimmy Carter has come under sustained attack for having dared to use the term “apartheid” to describe Israel’s policies in the West Bank. However, not one of Carter’s critics has offered a convincing argument to justify the vehemence of the outcry, much less to refute his central claim that Israel bestows rights on Jewish residents settling illegally on Palestinian land, while denying the same rights to the indigenous Palestinians. Little wonder, for they are attempting to defy reality itself.
Many of the very individuals and institutions that are so vociferously denouncing President Jimmy Carter would not for one moment tolerate such glaring injustice in the United States. Why do they condone the naked racism that Israel practices? Why do they heap criticism on our former president for speaking his conscience about such a truly unconscionable system of ethnic segregation?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..LJ69N1.DTL
oddball @ 6
I will pass on your regards to my cousin Flora. Yes, we liberal lizards are good for that, driving the wingnuts batty. It is my last remaining vice.
TRex !!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
Because they’re being paid off by the AIPAC-Likud lobby, and AIPAC’s Likudite friends in Israel just won’t own up to all the harm they’re causing their own country.
And this is why the Christain Evangelicals hate science and the Bush Administration attacks science. This kind of knowledge undermines our Christian fabric as a nation.
Do Komodo dragon males spend much energy raising their young? I thought the Komodo dragon had a nice normal 1950s style pattern of letting the female do all the family type stuff. Why should these wingnuts attempt to force the clearly failing modern life style on those poor helpless dragons?
A chorus of “God Bless the Child (That’s Got It’s Own)” to Flora!
–Another kind of dragon
This post reminds me of an entry in the Huff Post Contagious Contest; good stuff-
http://someofmybestfriendsarea…..npost.com/
Is Mary Cheney a Lizard or a Dragon or what?
oh, andrew, you’ve got that right! I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the Naval Observatory this Xmas: there’s gonna be hell to pay over this Cheney bebe!
best wishes to cousin flora, dear theropod! Which favorite Judy of ours did you name her partner after — Regan or Miller? Are you going to be the theropodfather to the bebbie lizards?
Since you mentioned Mr. Savage, The General links to how he’s helping the “Overseers” at Ted Haggard’s New Life Church weed out the sinners in their midst.
bg @ 16
She’s a lizbeing.
TRex @ 19
I think I was accused of that before. But I’m no Mary Cheney!!
TRex is gonna be a fine uncle to them poor fatherless lizards-to-be, buying them all kinds of drums and guitars and other musical instruments guaranteed to earn him a glare from cousin Flora next yuletide.
I aim to try, amigo. I aim to try.
Suzanne @
21
I hadn’t thought of that. Clearly, you have some nieces and nephews of your own, Suzanne.
completely OT – PBS has a Mormon Tabernacle Choir Christmas special on… really, they are blowing my mind! The choir must be 3/400 people – it is just so enormous! and then there is a huge orchestra – just astonishingly and amazingly good!
must we fauna all over Flora?
punaise @ 25
She’s a VIRGIN!! Hands off.
Ack! Komodo dragon babies climb the trees after hatching for fear of being eaten by their parents and other larger dragons. Why does Crouse want to interfere with the way God made these poor dragons?
I’m just concerned about the uproar it’s going to create when Mary Cheney eats her offspring.
I think she got knocked up biting Sharon Stone’s ex-husband.
EvilDrPuma @ 28
Oops! I meant Flora, of course. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
EvilDrPuma @ 28
No worries. It’s the Republican way. You do that right before you send them off to prep school.
Shorter Janice Crouse: “I really liked the ’50’s and want everything to go back to all those wonderful Ward & June Cleaver families we all were back then.”
AirportCat @ 32
…even though we weren’t.
Eats, Shoots and Leaves. A Cheney Family story.
AirportCat @ 32
And the Dexedrine made Mom’s smile so much wider…
bg @ 33
Votes, Cheats and Grieves (not)
EvilDrPuma @ 34
Don’t you dare tell the Wingnuts that. It’ll make them cry.
TRex @ 37
They’ve been making me cry for at least 12 years. Payback is a bitch.
bg @ 33
looks like the fun started a little early this year
Suzanne @ 39
That was a message from the Corleones.
WaPo chatz tomorrow:
Congressional Reporter Charles Babington at 11 eastern.
Washington Week hostess Gwen Ifill at Noon eastern
National Security Reporter Dana Priest at 12:30 eastern.
Patrick 4/4 @ 40
I figure Cheney shot it himself, but then realized it wasn’t an elderly Texan millionaire and stalked back into the house in disgust.
Nah, actually he just ran inside to get the smell of scotch off his breath before the police came.
Suzanne @ 40
Maybe just another casualty from the frontlines of the Zoo Liberation Front.
TRex @ 43
Still waiting, it seems.
TRex @ 43
He shot a drunk deer? Where’s the sport in that?
Q: How do you get a turkey baster in a komodo dragon?
A: Veeerrryy carefullly.
The worst part is the apology they managed to extract from the deer before he passed away.
I figure it was a warning to Santa, a well known liberal media figure.
Patrick 4/4 @ 46
“Sport?” Say what? We are discussing Dick Cheney, aren’t we?
He got off Scotch free.
bg @ 51
Or, rather, at taxpayer expense.
Yep. We picked up the tab.
hmmmm. let’s deconstruct this.
komodo = ko / modo
Keith Olbermann and Maureen Dowd! who knew?
EvilDrPuma @ 50
It’s actually pretty complex. You have to shoot the drunk deer just right so it falls on the quail-tards.
Why the news blackout on all the blogs and news media outlets about the breaking Joe Wilson news tonight on Hardball? He is fighting subpoena to testify as a defense witness at Libby trial. Whats up?????
Witney @ 56
You would need to check in with our Plame-ologists for the real scoop on that. The first one should be up and on duty in about nine hours.
Witney @ 56
What blackout? It took me three seconds’ worth of Yahoo searching to find the AP story. Maybe Christy will have something to say about it tomorrow, but right now it seems to me that you’ve already said pretty much everything that can be determined.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled snark…Joe Wilson for Scooter’s defense? Now that’s a hostile witness.
Correct. We got no hardball on here tonight, just virgin lizbeings and basters, or basterds ‘n turd blossoms, deer in headlights and/or some such.
TRex @ 57
I heard it’s a big secret and all the lefty blogs agreed not to talk about it!!
Dammit, Teddy!!
You ruin EVERYTHING!!
TeddySanFran: Yes, word is out that this is a topic we shouldn’t discuss. Mum’s da word.
Wilson’s lawyer gave an explanation.
Wilson has a civil suit that names Libby..
Wilson will have the right to question Libby-
Libby wants the right to question Wilson before the suit begins to pin Wilson down to certain answers..
Wilson says “no dice”.
Libby presumably wants to get Wilson to admit that he discussed his wife’s status before Libby did..
Wilson says- “that’s irrelevant to the charges against you”
TeddySanFran @ 60
We didn’t mean to diskomodo anybody.
TRex @ 61
reverse midas, I am.
Turns out the deer had been subpoenaed.
Heading home, kids. See you in a bit.
rwcole @ 66
7.0.7.
EvilDrPuma @ 58
thanks evil and Trex. Usually something like this gets a headline or two on Rawstory, Americablog, FDL, TPM, even when not much to report. Guess everyone busy shopping. Did anyone get a chance to catch Scarborough tonight? First segment with Mike Barnicle and two others was incredible. Hopefully C&L will have a clip up tomorrow. Bottom line was: we are getting into unchartered waters with delusional Bush at the helm. Barnicle says he needs to be removed from office.
Oh, well, that changes everything, of course. Ummmm…just a second, what’s this, then?
Well, then, why is this woman protecting the dog? Why is she protecting the dog?
rwcole @ 63
… and there you have it, in a
Cheneynutshell. Boy, is Markos gonna be pissed at you, rw! Another damn liberal who can’t keep a secret!Zoo Liberation Front bustin’ out all over. Prolly the dog outranks the rodent.
bg @ 72
She swallowed the dog to catch the ferret to catch the toes that wriggled and giggled and tickled inside her…
bg @ 72
It is Louisiana, after all. The Great Chain of Being sez you don’t squeal on the dog.
Patrick 4/4 @ 74
Just spewed toes all over my keyboard.
I bet it was Evolution what made this possible!
Louisiana, northernmost of the banana republics. Eat a nutria today, save what’s left of the wetlands.
legally, can the joint chiefs of staff arrest the prez and v-prez or is that just an episode of 24 I am remembering?
AirportCat @
71
Um, we talked about this a few threads back…
Witney @ 78
maybe it’s PTSD flashbacks induced by the last 6 years of BooshCo?
Witney @ 79
Sorry, the correct question is, “Will they choke on the Little Boots when they eat him?”
AirportCat @ 80
you’re right about that!
um, only just Frank Probst @ 79
Um, only just joined the thread :)
:) Litbg @ 81
:) little boots?
Wait, wait…
So the leezard ees going to have leetle gatos?
Mirabile dictu, that would be a Navidad miracle.
so.
Harold Meyerson opines in WaPo about George Washington’s Episcopal church, the one that schismed Sunday:
heh.
gato!!
great news about Ciro, dude, thanks for getting me back on board supporting him in the runoff, congratulations!
Geez, I seem to have wandered into the Fluffington Post.
Hi Everyone!
:) little boots?
One of those terms of endearment the rabid lambs round these parts use on occasion to refer to the Chimperor. You know, when we’re not serving him up warm. Which is not often.
Witney @ 84
little boots – translation of the Latin “Caligula“: compares incometent Bush to his more respected father.
Here’s a little news flash:
Obviously, whoever wrote this headline might have done a little research. When was science fiction not political? And considering the plots involved, “Right-wing science fiction is just as stupid as right-wing anything else” would be a good deal more accurate.
Witney @
78
That’s what is called a military coup d’etat and is the basis of an episode of 24. In reality, its a bit more complicated.
Patrick 4/4 @ 90
never thought of it like that. great analogy. I saw that movie once.
Dogs is democrats, cats is repuglicans, haughty, aloof beasts are they. I bet the cat did it and then ran off with the toes and was confused when they didn’t try to slink off when it played with them, a la mouse.
That parthenogenesis was no news back in the day. I prefer parthenogenetic bunnies to dragonets. The Komodo tribe are known for slaying humans with one little bite, and not from the bite but from the infection.
I don’t think Mary Cheney was smart enough to know she could have pulled it off without the turkey baster. But then I bet she really became attached to the baster.
TeddySanFran @ 87
De nada, Teddy,
I do no know why everyone was so surprised, MyDD deed a story on how the Latino vote was undercounted, and the steenky GOP was trying to block that vote, (by putting the election on a feast day) so I knew that eet could be the deciding factor.
Then when Cleenton went down to campaign for Ciro the day before elections, I figured: “Well, El Perro Grande ees no gonna waste hees time on someone who weel lose, so I came to the conclusion that Ciro could probably be veectorious.
Eet ees curious to me why more pipples deed no see thees.
Teddy, thanks for jour support, everyone on FDL was most friendly and supportive.
(swipes at eyes)
Ahhh, I have “cat-hair” een my eye, I weel return momentarily.
so.
Sorry, the correct question is, “Will they choke on the Little Boots when they eat him?”
:) little boots?
little boots – translation of the Latin “Caligula“: compares incometent Bush to his more respected father.
never thought of it like that. great analogy. I saw that movie once.
Some of Gore Vidal’s best work – yikes!
[Mod Note; zig clean up]
It ees always so heelarious wheen !El Gato Negro! comes for a veesit to FDL.
Ziggurat warning @96!!!
Gatos estos Democratas!! Solamente.
EvilDrPuma @
91
I worry for my home town paper sometimes.
When I first moved here in the 80s, pieces like that would go on for pages, sometimes with a depth to match the length. Writers at the LAT were pampered and indulged. It could be laughably pompous, but it wasn’t lame-ass shorthand.
Robert Butler @
13
Yes, undoubtedly. I can’t count the number of Komodo dragons I’ve seen sitting around drinking, farting and watching football. :)
It’s a dragon thing, after all. :)
AirportCat @ 98
I blame Gilgamesh.
Jesus B. Ochoa @ 94
montag @ 101
I so badly want to put that visual on a tshirt to sell with the catchphrase “Just a dragon thing”.
The thing about this, as TRex probably intimates, is that the juxtaposition of Mary Cheney and Flora strongly suggests that parthenogenesis may be involved on the human side of the equation.
So, did Mary Cheney take one of her father’s offhand remarks to heart? :)
Have you seen “democratees?” Not to be confused with “infectees.” But in a similar vein.
montag @ 106
Do lizbeings have a heart?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 104
It’s yours. I suggest day-glo green, a Bears jersey t-shirt on the reptile and a can of Old Milwaukee. :)
bg @ 107
In the case of Cheney beings, merely a figure of speech, y’know. :)
Oh I have no artistic talent to carry that out. I appreciate the thought though.
!El Gato Negro! @ 85
El Gato Negro!!
Always such an honor.
We know Cheney doesn’t shoot blanks.
Hey! My cat is not a Republican. He’s an Independent, can’t talk him out of it.
He never pisses on the public, refuses to attend church, hates rats, loves birds, sex anytime and has nary a neo-bone in his body.
Dan Savage needs your input…no pun intended.
http://www.thestranger.com/blo…..d_thes.php
Hola, Rex,
i saw one of jour compaerros over at The Poorman,
he was explaining why he could no longer be een the “Traitors for Connecticut” Party.
Verrry funny, muy divertido.
so.
bg @ 112
just slugs and lawyers.
Lou Costello @ 114
Buncha goddamn limp-wristed fairies if I ever saw em.
(compa & n tilde ; erros…)
companerros weeth a “~” over the “n”, like “Enya”
Hmmmm, one of these days, I must find ways to correctly punctuate using whatever maldito code thees page ees written een.
so.
I have a herd of cats. Not a Republican amongst ‘em. We had a catnip fiesta earlier, most of them conked out now.
We enjoyed the dragons tonight. ‘Nite Mister Rex. It was pure fun with the virgin. I forgot to ask, is Mary a virgin too? Not sure if I unnerstand that part. Just in case you know.
!El Gato Negro! @
115
That is AWESOME!!
I may have to bring that over here tomorrow night.
Oh, and one other thing Mister !El Gato Negro! Your Spanglish is very good. Plus the spelling. Even without the tilde, I could totally comprendo what you were saying.
Buenas noches.
Believe eet or no, some gatos, while no Republiculos, are certainly rule-oriented.
I knew one gato that could have been the activities director for a cruise-sheep.
He had a schedule, and Madre de los Gatos del Paradiso, joo were going to stick to eet or he would meow jour ears off.
Steel and all, I theenk that most gatos are anarcho-syndicalists.
so.
Es verdad.
TRex @ 123
Y vermom.
707
Hmmmmmmm…
the hour she grows late.
Eef I am to hunt the elusive Sangria thees evening, I have leetle time left.
I must soon away.
TRex, et al, I may speak weeth joo all later, I have an errand to run.
Hasta luego, Perritos del Fuego.
so
!El Gato Negro! @ 126
Seeya Blackie.
From AP:
Because there was no room at the inn.
Don Gato, it is always our pleasure. Come by any time. I will leave a tin of sardines and a bottle of hot sauce on the sideboard for you.
This always happens when I try to leave a party or something. But I think Mister !El Gato Negro! that you have outed a couple of my gatos, who I think are most likely anarcho-syndicalistas.
For one, Miss Sissy. She is good but not nice. So.
Busted. For another. The White Cat. No one likes her, she does not like no one. So.
She busted too. For three. Maybe it’s Maybelline. I think. So.
But now, I gotta go before you ask how many? Because I can’t say the answer to that. But for sure, no Republicanos.
So. Byebye. Adios. Valle con Dios.
Juan Carlos and Gus have informed me that they are Meowists.
MOL
(meow out loud)
On that note:
‘dios.
TRex @ 131
Remind me to send them re-education catnip.
!!Sheet!! Mr. Sadness is definately a Meowist. Now you stop that Mr. TRex. I was leaving.
Evening Trex and and Firepups. Just returned to the land downunder. Sunny and 85 degrees.
Back on topic, I was thinking that Mary Cheney can not help being born to Ole Deadeye any more than she had a choice about her sexual orientation. Can you imagine what she went through coming out, in Wyoming? I think we should all cut her some serious slack and wish her the best with her baby to come and cover her back from the Rightards vicious BS.
Anyone want a shrimp from the barbie?
TRex @ 131
I knew it! I bet they have a Che poster up in their cat condo. Little Red Book on a shelf next to it. Didn’t Gus have a beret on in that last pic we saw?
I knew there was a commie plot unfolding in this house. I thought I heard JC killing a mouse last night, but when I got up this morning, all I found was Mousie Dung.
TRex @
131
do they associate with horses that neither saunter nor gallop? you know, the Trotskyites?
TRex @ 137
heh!
And I said, “What’s the matter? Cat got your Tung?”
TRex @ 137
Mhmm see, that mouse is a N Korean agent giving them their sabotage orders. They’re gonna slit your throat when they get their go orders.
petedownunder @ 135
Ah, warmth!
The no-choice part for Mary ended when she started providing cover for Daddy and co.’s bigoted politics. She’s a grown-up and a hypocrite. I hope she has a lovely, healthy baby and comes to her senses.
And the shrimp would be lovely.
If we’re cat blogging, we have a 10 kilogram kitty (22 pounds) who is an absolute dictator. We do his bidding or else. He does play the piano, so he has an artistic side, but then I understand Hitler did watercolors. If I catch the cat looking covetously at a map of Poland, he’s out of here.
dogs are Perronistas
TRex @ 140
“Juan Carlos is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most generous feline being I’ve ever known in my life.”
petedownunder @ 143
Um, does he look like this?
Patrick 4/4 @ 142
I agree there, but still I have some compassion for anyone who had to grow up with Big Time as dad.
TRex @ 140
“up next on the fall-on Gong Show…”
Trex at 146, link broken I think.
petedownunder @ 149
Take out the slash.
And do all your other chores too.
petedownunder @ 149
I just fixed it.
But here he is again.
TRex @ 151
At least we can rest assured he’ll never reproduce.
Trex- still getting an error. Anyway, speaking of chores, I’m cooking tonight for bunch of friends (prime rib, cheese mashed potatoes, caprese salad, roast carrots and onions) so I better get my jet lagged butt into the kitchen. Y’all have a nice night.
punaise @ 148
Was that Sendero Luminoso or Porfirio Rubirosa?
petedownunder @ 153
Hit ‘refresh’. But anyway, take care.
And thanks again for the shirt! I haven’t had the nerve to wear it out in public yet, but oh, I will.
Patrick 4/4 @ 154
More like Bebe Rebozo….
I’m off to the bed chamber myself. Gnight all!
Jeb Bush: “No tengo futuro.”
Uh.
Mah.
Gawd.
Stop the presses. A member of the Bush family actually said something that’s true.
*faints*
montag @ 156
yacht to know that by now
TRex @ 158
que lastima, Heb.
Este guero secrete mucho.
punaise @ 159
Good ketch.
TRex @ 158
Here, some smelling salts. Take a big whiff.
Jebby is as crazed as the rest of `em. He’ll be back. The BFEE never gives up. They don’t make money unless they’re corrupting government for their own gain.
But, as for 2008, with Brownback giving him attaboys, he’s toast.
I love my town:
“I am not a kook”
Patrick 4/4 @ 162
Good ketch.
I’d schooner see that part of history sunk forever.
Patrick 4/4 @ 154
Tupac or not Tupac one’s bags
punaise @
167
I can never decide. Sometimes shakur is worse than the disease.
Yawl come back now ya hear.
Patrick 4/4 @ 168
that’s always been the rap
Mary McCurnin @ 169
nice pitch
Not too tackie.
Mary McCurnin @ 169
Ah, frigate, why are we wasting time on ancient mariners? :)
going to the bookstore to Peru’s the new Al Gore book: An Inca-venient Truth
I’m aft to do it again.
montag @ 173
You’re not gonna pinnace on me.
montag @ 173
hang on, Sloopy
Mary McCurnin @ 175
are you gunwhale wash that man right out of your hair?
punaise @ 177
And, that’s the real McCoy.
Oof, somebody open a window in here.
I’m out of here, gang, although I might check in before bed.
Good night!
(would hate to anchor the wrath of the mods)
TRex @ 180
Decided to punt, did you?
Goodnight!
later, TRex. I mast say: sorry we stunk up the joint!
riffin’ on a skiff
Don’t make waves now.
Patrick 4/4 @ 176
A tender sentiment, which you shore oar to communicate more carefully.
punaise @ 183
Cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the boat out of your brother’s.
I will give you some latitude.
I am so prow dove y’all….
I cannot fathom anything that is going on here.
if !El Gato Negro! was still around he might have to keel someone.
Mary McCurnin @ 190
That’s because we’ve deep-sixed all logic.
Mary McCurnin @ 190
off Tropic again?
man overblog!
!El Gato Negro! might have to hawl some ass.
We’ve run aground!
punaise @ 194
Throw him a blog ring!
Mary McCurnin @ 195
If he does, he’ll have to take his punaisement like a man.
I mast say, there is no way I can keel up with yawl.
Patrick 4/4 @ 196
Shoal looks like it….
Well, any port in a storm.
look, Boss! de Plame!
montag @ 200
Avast! Right-wing conspiracy!
Patrick 4/4 @
164
Oh Fair New Mexico, we love we love you so….
da dah da Dah de de, we love you so!
Where’s my SKI TEXAS bumper sticker?
montag @ 200
reef firm madness
punaise @ 202
Better Scoot on over and CIA if the dePlaming passengers need help with the suitcase bombs.
Well, now I am going to smoke a pipe and go to bed.
Patrick 4/4 @ 203
Sharks to starboard!
Margot @ 204
Oh, New Mexico…
Never really been,
But I’d sure like to go
Guess I’ll have to go now.
is this the three hour crews?
montag @ 208
Red tide! Red Dawn! Wolverines!
punaise @ 210
Nah, just the changing of the watch….
quel Bonhomme, Richard
Patrick 4/4 @ 211
False alarm… landblubbers.
I can read this story again and again and again…
punaise @ 213
Vous est un bon homme Charlie Brown.
Well I guess you can’t obsess and compulse after taking mushrooms. Your attention is adrift. You have lost your moorings. You just cannot get underway.
Mary McCurnin @ 217
Too busy being seasick for anything else.
OldCoastie @
24
When I was a kid, my dad had some LPs (long-playing round things called records, for the i-poddies here), and every Christmas he pulled out “Christmas with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.” This was the mid-50s. Until I bothered to look at the album cover, I thought it was “Norman Tabernacle and his choir.”
Ed*ard Teller!
Welcome aboard!
Ed*ard Teller @ 219
Actually, there are quite a few Normans in this country.
Damn! I’ve been out moving 14 inches of new snow with my new snow blower, and missed the ’shrooms?
And I thought the christmas carol was “a partrige jena pear tree”. I couldn’t figure out what a jena pear was.
Ed*ard Teller @ 222
But, you apparently did not miss the vrooms…. :)
Mary McCurnin @ 223
Barbara
Mary McCurnin @ 223
Ah, that’s simple. It’s a fruity Bush.
I just cannot make myself get up from this damn computer and go to bed.
This time I am going to do it.
Night.
On the lizard thing, they sure seem a lot more real when they have names – like Flora and TRex, for instance.
Hats off to Oklahoma Kiddo for hanging in there for me today. Been outside moving snow from about noon to a half hour ago.
I’m more pissed off than usual about the treatment Jimmy Carter continues to get in the media. PBS has yet to mention his book, as far as I’ve been able to tell. Has Media Matters covered the lack of coverage and the lack of reality to what coverage of his book there has been so far? I doubt it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 228
Well, in a way, they have, sort of through Eric Alterman’s blog on that site.
Mary McCurnin @ 227
You must be tide. Good night.
Mary McCurnin @ 223
surely, a fine example of a Mondegreen.
(hey, don’t call me Shirley)
montag @ 224
“Vroom, Vroom, vrooooom!” – as the Berenstein Bears books used to let me say to my kids.
I’ve had the same snow blower for 15 years. I’ve rebuilt almost every part of it at least once. Welded and brazed it, hammered pieces into good enough shape to recover from big rocks. But early this afternoon it was telling me that it wants to retire. Really bad.
I’ve got shoulder surgery scheduled for the 27th, so I let the snow blower retire, and went out to Sears and bought a new one. Bigger, more powerful and FAR LESS CO2.
Vroooommm!
Patrick 4/4 @ 230
I blame Bebe Rebozo
punaise @ 231
punaise @ 233
Nix on that.
I meant Carbon monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. He corrects, as he can barely feel his finger tips……
Ed*ard Teller @ 236
Monoxide, dioxide, let’s call the whole thing off….
are we going to spiral anew?
montag @ 235
Pardon?
punaise @ 238
M’self, I’m gonna evade ataxia.
Patrick 4/4 @ 239
Whatever civility you can afFord is welcome.
Louis the cat has mistaken the Christmas tree for a climbing structure. better intervene.
my contempt for the
infernalinternal combustion engine will never subside. Even after the feelings return to my finger tips, lips and tip of my tongue.Ed*ard Teller @ 232
Makes me think of the good old days in Chicago. Using a lighter to melt the ice in car door locks, using the car in front of you to stop at intersections…
Good times – not.
montag @ 241
you know where that leads: magna Carter
punaise @ 245
And then Reagan regnant.
punaise @ 245
And, eventually, to Raygun magnums.
Reagan repugnant.
That was a virgin birth too.
punaise @ 248
Wasn’t that a political party? The Reagan repugs?
And now we have Magnus Opie of the Mayberry Machiavellis.
Ed*ard Teller @ 243
you’ve earned a nightcapper
Patrick 4/4 @ 251
Not to mention the Opie Deis on the Supreme Court….
Opie Wan’ Kennebunkport
montag @ 253
Don’t get me started.
Did I mention here before that my mother’s first cousin was the first American in Opus Dei and her sister one of the first American women?
punaise @ 254
Opie goes broke….
Patrick 4/4 @ 255
dude, you’re older than I thought. are you sure you aren’t confusing Betsy Ross and Betty Ford?
Patrick 4/4 @ 255
You have Opie Daze in your family? What a scourge on the family history!
punaise @ 257
D’oh!
montag @ 258
It’s cilice of our problems…
Patrick 4/4 @ 260
A barbed commentary, to be sure.
well I’d Louvre to hang around, but this is my stop. hasta manana, wordsters and suffering-in-Silas lurkers!
punaise @ 262
Well, I’m sure your ass is dragon by now.
punaise @
262
Much adieu.
punaise @
252
Thanks, punaise.
I finished a set of pieces for trumpet, french horn, trombone and organ yesterday – a half hour before rehearsals started, which is better than a half hour after. I’m looking for short, lyrical poems about winter for my next set of pieces. I came across this a little while ago. Its by a guy I’ve heard decribed as a Buddhist rapper, named Johnny Barber. This is an extract:
Jesus is a terrorist, there ain’t no one can doubt it. Born in Bethlehem, what more need I say about it? Thirty foot concrete barriers, soldiers armed with guns, being born in Bethlehem just ain’t much fun. Jesus stands on the corner, throwin’ stones at tanks. Israeli soldiers don’t hold back, they ain’t shootin’ blanks. Jesus stands defiant, a David ‘gainst Goliath. Jesus is a terrorist, he ain’t allowed to pass. Being born in Bethlehem, life is over fast.
Jesus is a terrorist, he ain’t allowed to pass. You know what they’re teaching, in those Christian schools in town. He’s learning hate against the state, and what it means to martyr. Jesus is a terrorist, he don’t need Jimmy Carter. Jesus knows all ’bout them virgins. That ain’t no lie they tell ya, once you pass them pearly gates, it pays to be a fella!
Jesus is a carpenter, but he’s not allowed to work. He passes time carving trinkets for those Christian tourist folk. They come and kiss the ground where Jesus once lay swaddled. They bargain him down, then they just turn on back around. They close their eyes to the soldiers, they close their eyes to the wall. Jesus, born in Bethlehem, don’t stand any chance at all.
Jesus rode a donkey once, straight on through to Jerusalem. Today, Jesus ain’t got a prayer, he’s not allowed to pass. Jesus can’t stoop low enough to kiss the soldier’s ass.
The tourists come back home, blind as before. They go to church, and they sing their songs, and look up on the wall. Jesus still is hangin’ there, saving them from the fall. But just like Judas, they turn their backs, no one heeds his call.
Cause Jesus is a terrorist, but don’t you worry none. It’s just a name they give you when you’re Palestinian. A savior born in Bethlehem- it’s quite a story, but just not rightcause Jesus is a terrorist, don’t you worry ’bout his plight.
http://www.counterpunch.org/barber12202006.html
Ed*ard Teller @ 265
Work in one more line about justice bringing peace and you’ve got it all.
Night all.
Watch out for the murderous albinos.
montag @
266
It isn’t mine. Its by a Buddhist rapper named Johnny Barber.
Ed*ard Teller @ 268
Can’t riff on it? :)
montag @ 269
Or, more accurately, don’t want to riff on it?
Lots of possibilities there.
ET I shall be thinking positive healing thoughts for you and your shoulder, along with wishes for a speedy recovery.
montag @
270
Nah, not now. I found the poem at counterpunch, where they feature new poetry from around the world every week. The songs I’m working on are about winter, and I’m especially looking for poems about the Arctic winter – from Iceland, Scandinavia, northern Russia, northern Canada and central and northern Alaska. Real winter songs. Iceland is very much warmer than the other places I’m looking for material from, but they have a wondrous poetic tradition, and that great country name…
Suzanne @
271
{{{{{big hug to Suzanne}}}}}
aw, thanks, ET.
Ed*ard Teller @ 272
“It snowed in Palestine today… there was a killing frost….” ???
am trying to remember, but wasn’t the naming of iceland and greenland a trick played by the vikings who first sailed their waters. named the icy island greenland and the green island iceland.
montag @
275
I’m already revising this work
http://www.criticalconcern.com…..eping_.htm
about Palestine, and until that is finished, Bethlehem Christmases are over the horizon.
Suzanne @ 276
Umm, don’t think so. When the Vikings first traveled to the western Atlantic, circa 900-1100, it was a little before the coming of the latest ice age, which dates back about 800 years. Greenland was green, and Iceland was icy. Or so the history goes. (Can’t say for sure–I wasn’t there at the time, though my daughter thinks so.) It got cold in places like Scandinavia, Denmark, and what is now the UK not long after.
Suzanne @
276
They were both greener than any time between then and very recent ones when the Norse went there in the 8th and 9th centuries. But then a little ice age hit in the 12th century, destroying the Greenland colonies. Had the Norse adapted to the ways of the Inuit, they would have survived.
another reason i’ll never be on jeopardy. thanks.
Suzanne @
280
Next question, Suzanne. What famous case was settled in Pennsyvania about a year ago, which probably helped Cobb County fold in this case:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State today lauded a Georgia public school board’s decision to drop its defense of anti-evolution disclaimers for science textbooks.
The Cobb County School Board has agreed to settle the long-running legal fracas over its 2002 decision to place anti-evolution stickers in high school biology textbooks.
In an agreement announced today, Cobb County school officials state that they will not order the placement of “any stickers, labels, stamps, inscriptions, or other warnings or disclaimers bearing language substantially similar to that used on the sticker that is the subject of this action.” School officials also agreed not to take other actions that would undermine the teaching of evolution in biology classes.
This came out almost two days ago, and the MSM has missed it entirely. I haven’t visited the panda’s thumb since last week, and there it was!
http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc…..##comments
Die, ID, die!!!
Ed*ard Teller @ 277
I still find it amazing that we cannot simply acknowledge kids dedicated to peace, even now, thirty years after Vietnam.
The general quote from Churchill (the current favorite source of quotes by the right wing) which they now ignore is, “Americans always do the right thing, after first trying everything else.” We’re now in the process of trying everything else….
montag @
282
Thanks for reminding me. On the way to get the new snow blower, I was listening to Democracy Now (on KUDO-AM!! They Rock) and Robert Fisk, speaking in Long Beach last weekend, quoted from a Churchill essay from 1937 – probably an op-ed – where he predicted almost scarily accurately what is happening right now in the Levant. I need to look that article up, if possible.
oh oh oh, i know that one…kitzmiller v dover…
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AGAIN ~ The paid pundit of the GOP cites hate.
OUTLAW DIVORCE
OUTLAW SINGLE PARENTS
OUTLAW SINGLE PARENT ADOPTIONS
She wishes to punish children because people happen to have different views, beliefs and lifestyles than hers.
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ET,
Was a great episode and Democracynow.org is a really good site. Chomsky was on yesterday. would be a good read if you missed it.
Fisk re Churchill
If nature is perfect why is our species going EXTINCT?
Answer THAT, bitch.
Suzanne @
284
Bingo, Suzanne. Rethink Jeopardy?
fdl hasn’t shown much interest in the evolution vs whatever the creationists have to call themselves debate. But this past twelve months have given us two decisive victories for science. And for rational views on religion and spirituality.
Some of the comments I’ve seen at biology blogs this evening on the Cobb settlement indicate how much this outcome was influenced by the Dover ruling.
This might be a good time for Christy to find a good legal blogger familiar with these cases to update us. Or maybe she could do the essay.
I’m still impressed with how many instruments Christy played in HS and (maybe?) college.
Morning spew alert, Christy:
And to those who laughed at trombone players Wednesday, because we’re the first band members at parades to have to wade through uncollected animal excrement, I can only reply – as a trombone player – at least we get to see what’s in front of us.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 286
At the time, Churchill never anticipated AIPAC and JINSA and a US government which was, decade after decade, wholly unwilling to see its own self-interest in the matter and which was decidedly in denial about the schizophrenic nature of a foreign policy which angered oil-rich Saudi royalty, pampered that same royalty and simultaneously furthered the arms industry of an Israeli state which became even more dependent upon US military and monetary assistance to further its aims of territorial conquest for an historical mandate of “natural borders,” according to David Ben-Gurion.
Pretty much the definition of “fucked up.”
W’all, shit, last comment sent to the nether regions because I didn’t include asterisks in A*P*C and J*NS*….
Craptastic filters, anyhoo.
(waving to ES)
ET, there are so many topics to be covered as the meltdown continues within the bush administration. Each day brings a new travesty, a new injustice, a new disregard to basic rights. Each demanding attention and many are not covered as they should be. The good news is the outrage of the people is starting to pierce through the cocktail addled brains of those so called journalists and things are starting to be covered a wee bit more deeply and there is not so much pandering to bushco.
Eureka Springs, AR at #286,
Yes! Thanks for providing the link. Churchill was flawed, but so interesting. After J. S. Bach, Churchill is probably the most magnificent cultural anachronism from NW Europe in the past 500 years.
adding: not that I speak for FDL or anything…. just my opinion
Ed*ard Teller @ 292
Lady Astor didn’t think so. :) But, that might have been that, at her best, Churchill always bested her, in spontaneous wit.
montag @ 289
Does anyone know of a site that’s hosted a poetry contest where you have to use a lot of *s to avoid being busted for mod words and abbreviations?
oh crap…. cocktail wienie addled brains…
time for me to slide off to slumberland… night all
Suzanne @ 296
Umm, weenie’s better. :) Double entendres are always better. :)
montag @ 293
from what little I know of Lady Astor, she wouldn’t have known the difference between a magnificent cultural anachronism and an immaculately pregnant kimodo.
later, gang…
ET – Wow 500 years. I may have to dig up a good biography with a recommendation like that.
*suzanne* great memory on kitzmiller v dover…
I only remembered it was a Pennsylvania case.
Ed*ard Teller @ 298
That’s easy. A puffed-up statesman v. a manless puffed-up state.
I hereby nominate Lolita C. Baldor of the AP for Stenographer of the Year, for her stirring portrait of two troops, picked for a photo op, who speak for all US Troops. Behold journalism’s finest…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..gates_iraq
Good morning. Today only Bob Herbert in the NYT. He went to New Orleans. It won’t make you feel all warm and cozy…
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
From the NYTimes
Iran President Facing Revival of Students’ Ire
Mornin’ all!
good morning to all and a shout out to any Buddhist rappers in da house.
Ahmadinejad opponents win elections
Last week’s elections for local councils in towns and cities across Iran were widely seen as a referendum on Ahmadinejad’s 18 months in office.
Was the same said about Chimpy and the election results on Nov. 8th?
Mornin’ Pups.
I was in 10 hour depositionyesterday and missed all the nifty Plame posts.
Had to go back and catch up today.
Let me get this straight. They’re saying the mother of jesus was some kinda lizard now?
Holy crap – that David Icke guy is going to sell a whole lot more of those Biggest Secret books now. Funny.
Marion in Savannah @
302
There’s a special section of the Times Picayune called “Road Home Rage”. It consists of comments from people who have been dealing with this debacle from the beginning and just trying to live.
At one of the neighborhood association meetings, we found out about a grant program for houses over fifty years old…to help with their repair…the day after the program ended. It was not publicized. Everyone has come to expect this sort of thing. Abandoned? Yes.
See? We’ve been saying all along that abstinence (programs) doesn’t prevent pregnancy.
…I’m still a little undecided on the lizardy ancestry but Icke’s other arguments are good.
Gee… too bad this info didn’t come out yesterday before chimpy’s presser where he touted the ‘booming economy’:
Economic growth slows to 2 percent pace
The economy has been losing momentum all this year. The main culprit behind the third quarter’s slowdown was the deepening housing slump.
On the crass consumerism of conservatives
(pokes one eye open) g’ morning all – coffee’s almost done…
why is it so dark? and cold?
oh that’s right – it’s almost time to go to work…
Lindy @ 308 – Do you happen to have a link handy to those comments? How can we help?
Marion – Thanks for the link to that important but heatbreaking article.
OldCoastie @ 312
I normally just work really hard to lift the eyelids but maybe I’ll try poking them to get them open.
hmmm……coffee, thanks
morning rumi – yup, just take yer finger and give that eyelid a poke…
I just like the title to this LA Times article:
Congress Closes With a Pork-Filled Flourish
. . .sanctuary !
Good Morning Firedogs,
first off -
bg,
.
and
punaise
both go in to FDL Hall of Fame – sweet jeebus, what a wonderful start to the day
yeah I know, epu city*g*
new thread
Morning, gang! Fresh thread ready for everyone.
rumi @ 314
rumi, I’m on my way to work. I’ll post the link from there. As to what you can do? Pay close attention. Talk about what you see. Make sure you tell people what you know (with links). What’s happening here is just another manifestation of this band of thieves (excuse me) THESE bands of thieves. You know, if the feds (*cough*) don’t trust the Government of Louisiana to not steal the money (as long as we’re being frank), then appoint some duly employed OVERSIGHT, to crawl up their butts with a microscope and make sure the money is spent in the way it’s supposed to be. And, damn it, find and take back all the money that’s been stolen for NOTHING in return. Just, please, get the infrastructure back.
Oh, geeze. Sorry. /end rant
Lindy at 320,
Whew, thank goodness the federal government makes sure money doesn’t get stolen.
Male Komodos are extremely dangerous – and probably eat their young – Flora is exhibiting exemplary parenting judgement!
Wingnuts on the other hand are more like Alpha baboons – belligerent, bellicose, bullies that behave agrresively to the gentler members of the troup, often participating in homosexual rape and sodomy. Baboons could really use some Ted Haggardlike rehabilitation.
egregious @
322
Indeed. here’s a link to one of the comments on the Times Picayune (at least, that’s how I get there): http://inyourownwords.blogs.no…..tem=392350
Holy crap! That woman in footage above was a masterful wingnut specimen. “studys show, studys show that the *child* is better off with a mother and a father” Ohgooogoogahgah!
You do show us some choice clips TRex.
That came out wrong, # 325. There was something all zombified and stepfordy about that woman repeating: the child is better off with a mother and father of oppoisite sex, blah, blah, blah.
Hey, I guess it takes all kinds. My parents were divorced when I turned nine. I really don’t think us kids would have been better off had they remained in the dilemna that they were in for the kids. My Father still thinks that’s why I’m gay although I tried my best to absolve him in conversations; I still sense it just under the surface. Oh well, that’s his problem. Maybe this is a common shared neurosis; the belief that children can only be raised correctly by a man and woman. Fuck that I say! Change lady! Change! Change happens and if you never change then you become broken and the world eventually forgets about you entirely (while you mutter stupid speculations over and over and over and over…..).