
So yesterday, we learned for certain that Team Libby intends to call Dick Cheney as a defense witness during Scooter's criminal trial. There is no word at this point whether Cheney will make a public appearance on the stand, sitting in the witness box in the hot seat live in front of the jury — or whether the appearance of the Vice President will be done via a videotaped deposition-type appearance. That will have to be worked out by the parties, the judge, the Veep's office and the Secret Service.
I'm not even going to try and guess what or how this will play out, because there are advantages and disadvantages to doing it either way for Team Libby and for Fitz's team as well.
Personally, I always preferred a live witness to having to go through the hassle of a videotaped appearance. However, one thing you do get from doing such an appearance ahead of time — especially where you have what is likely to be an attempt to limit testimony on direct examination to very narrow grounds as Team Libby will no doubt try to do to prevent Fitz and his team from being able to ask a wide range of questions on cross-examination — is that you already know what you will have to deal with at trial with a witness that is likely to be either combative or less than forthcoming.
But, when you have a witness that is likely to be smarmy or evasive or hostile or petulant or what-have-you on the stand, the best possible way to have them in the hot seat is to have them there. Live. In all their glory in front of the jury, so that the jury members can see every sneer, every blink, and every snarling flash of the angry eyes. Every bead of sweat on that wide forehead. Every vein popping out in anger as well. Every single thing. For every last minute that the witness is sitting there on the hot seat in front of them.
I previously talked about how magnified everything can be when one is sitting in the witness chair for a grand jury appearance, and it goes the same way for a criminal or civil trial appearance. And I wanted to pull a couple of points out of that post for folks who may not have had the experience of either being a witness or in a trial courtroom, just to set the scene a bit:
But it carries a LOT of risk — Karl will be sitting in the witness chair with the entire grand jury watching his every move, his every bead of sweat, his every little slip of the tongue…and Fitz will be right there to follow-up on every single one of them.
It occurred to me this morning during my ultra-super-nutritious breakfast of a chocolate covered Krispy Kreme (or Krispy Krack, as I like to call them) and coffee, that a little detail on just what happens when someone testifies to a grand jury would be helpful to everyone. So, here goes:
The witness enters the room and is asked to raise his right hand and swear to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. The witness is then seated in the chair provided for testimony, and questioning begins. You usually start with introductions, if the witness is new to the jury, but since Karl will be there for the fourth time, that won't be necessary. (snark intended)
As a prosecutor, you prepare, endlessly really, for this sort of thing, writing out potential questions on legal pad after legal pad, outlining and timelining the evidence that you have, putting together a story board of sorts on who has said what so that you can get to the heart of any big discrepencies. The way Fitz runs his investigative grand juries, according to every report that I have read, is a more interactive way — allowing lots of questions from the jurors as well as his own questions. And then Fitz will be able to follow-up on any testimony that doesn't square with what he already knows, asking question after question if necessary. Honestly, you prepare all these questions in advance, and you hit a lot of them — but there is always a moment when a witness veers off on a tangent, and it is the tangents that can prove the most useful.
Obviously, that was all about the Rove grand jury trips, but the jury observations and the prosecutorial preparation and meticulous follow-up on any and all aspects which are discussed on direct examination or via answers on cross-examination corrolates with the grand jury appearance information above. The difference is that Cheney will be able to have a lawyer present while he is talking, and that this is a criminal trial proceeding instead of a grand jury appearance – which has a broader range of possibilities in terms of what can be asked and answered, but also carries with it significant limitations in terms of what a prosecutor may ask on cross-examination based on what is asked on direct examination by defense counsel. One big difference is that jurors in a criminal proceeding do not ask questions — they simply listen — as the criminal trial process is not as interactive for them as the grand jury process is.
I'm working on a longer post on direct and cross for later — but I wanted to give a little context to new reports that I am looking at for you all this morning.
So, on to the news. The Financial Times comes closest to what I think is the political question involved in a public trial, in which the sitting Vice President participates as a witness called on behalf of the criminal defendant:
Mr Libby’s trial is due to begin in the middle of next month. It could become an embarrassing spectacle for George W. Bush’s administration, with leading officials expected to take the stand to explain whether Ms Plame’s name was leaked because her husband, Joe Wilson, was a critic of the administration’s war policy.
It will be quite interesting to see this parade of headline names, in and out of the courthouse — Administration officials, media luminaries, Republican operatives, and the like, all put in the same position any person in any petty criminal trial is in day in and day out in courthouses all across America. All having to answer questions about the way that they do business. Except in this case, the way they were doing business happened to mean that a covert CIA operative was exposed by members of her own government for payback against her husband for exposing the Bush Administration's push of false information to gin up the war in Iraq.
High stakes stuff.
Why call Cheney at all for the defense? I'll let the WaPo explain that one:
Cheney's role in the case is a pivotal one, for both the defense and the prosecution. He was a witness to, and participant in, how the administration reacted in the spring and summer of 2003, when Plame's husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, publicly accused the administration of twisting intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq.
A "witness to, and participant in, how the administration reacted in the spring and summer of 2003." That pretty much says it all abut Dick Cheney, doesn't it? And the fact that the WaPo is saying it straight out? Nothing short of a miracle, considering how much information has had to get shoved into the public sphere kicking and screaming before they would consider printing that sort of sentence. (Thank you, Murray Waas.)
David Johnston in the NYTimes sets the stage for the tension that will likely be in the air at the courthouse if Cheney appears in person — or that we will see via videotape if he is deposed:
The prospect of Mr. Cheney’s testimony suggested that Mr. Libby’s trial could be transformed from a narrowly gauged perjury case into a riveting courtroom drama with the taciturn vice president as the star witness. He would testify under oath and be exposed to cross-examination by prosecutors….
Although Mr. Cheney has been a vigorous proponent of sweeping executive authority, which includes the notion that the president and perhaps other high officials could resist calls to testify in criminal trials involving their official conduct, his appearance may not set precedents, legal experts said. That is mostly because the Libby case presents a different situation from one in which such officials are subpoenaed to testify, they said.
Mr. Cheney appears to have voluntarily agreed to testify on behalf of Mr. Libby, whom he has steadfastly supported. It is unclear whether Mr. Cheney would appear personally in the courtroom or seek to testify in a less exposed manner like having his testimony taken at the White House and introduced into the trial by videotape….
In his testimony, Mr. Cheney will probably be asked to affirm Mr. Libby’s statements that he was occupied with many important issues and that there was no deliberate White House plan to disclose Ms. Wilson’s identity.
Prosecutors have said in legal filings that Mr. Cheney played a central role in the White House reaction to Mr. Wilson’s Op-Ed article. Mr. Fitzgerald has hinted in filings that Mr. Cheney may be a prosecution witness, although he said at the hearing that the government had no plans to call the vice president.
According to Mr. Libby’s grand jury testimony, cited in prosecution legal papers, Mr. Cheney believed that the article falsely attacked his credibility because it asserted that the vice president’s office instigated Mr. Wilson’s 2002 trip to Niger.
Prosecutors have already disclosed a copy of the article on which Mr. Cheney made handwritten notations asking whether it was Mr. Wilson’s wife who sent him on the trip.
In previous legal briefs, prosecutors have said they want to use Mr. Cheney’s notes as evidence, saying they show the agitated environment in Mr. Cheney’s office and the importance that Mr. Libby attached to the effort to rebut the article.
After Mr. Cheney expressed concern, Mr. Libby told several reporters that Mr. Cheney’s office had not sent Mr. Wilson on the trip and that he might have traveled on what was little more than a junket arranged by Ms. Wilson….
Ought to make for a very interesting time on the hot seat, eh? This probably means absolutely nothing but that the folks at Radar Online are trying to snag some traffic, but this did catch my eye: "Cheney Flips On Scooter." That WOULD be interesting, wouldn't it? (Again, probably not much of anything, but I thought this sort of headline in a publication put out by the Washington Times ought to be noted. And then some.)
Finally, the LATimes has some historical background on the prospect of the sitting Veep testifying at trial. Well worth a read.
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FITZ!
FITZ!
‘Morning Christy. ‘Morning twolf.
Morning gang — need. more. coffee…
Fitz: Did you order the Code Red?
Cheney: YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!!
REDD!
Coffee?
ya know, I’ve missed my Fitz fixes…
it was a simpler time when we started looking at this… or so it seemed.
OC at 7 — I hear you on that. SIGH This truly has been the case that opened Pandora’s Box, hasn’t it?
witchywoman @ 2
Hi witchywoman :)
Tom at 5 — you are cracking me up. *g*
twolf1 and witchywoman — you guys are so quick on the posting trigger this morning. :)
I’ve got to tear myself away… out from under the warm, cozy covers, into the cold and to work…
gack! 28 degrees! I hope my lemon tree doesn’t freeze! (I know – we got it “rough” here)
have a good day, all…
OC at 12 — SO jealous that you have a lemon tree. I have been thinking about getting a dwarf Meyer lemon tree for the house — could put it out on the patio in the summer, and keep in in for the winter. But would all of the care required be worth the two or three lemons I’d get from it?
Hello Christy, Thank you as always for keeping us up to date on all this legal stuff. BTW, I just read your FDL bio and is it possible to be a former attorney? Hey, once an attorney always an attorney, right?
Redd – short answer is YES… put it on a wheelie cart, you will enjoy it (they really aren’t that hard to take care of and are very sturdy when you do abuse it)
It seems to me Fitz has a tightly lid on the confines of the case and the questioning. He seems very focused on proving his case and nothing more for now. I just don’t think he is going to get into areas that do not address the issue of whether or not Libby lied. I know there is the hope that all of this will lead to further prosecutions as Fitz has a history of working his way up the food chain, but I need a legal eagle to help me understand how this would be plausible. It seems that Fitz has worked very hard to keep the boundaries and the lid on this thing to win the case. Which is good, but how will it lead us up the food chain?? I know it’s possible Cheney could lie on the stand and then Fitz could prosecute Cheney’s lie?? Any other possible ways that this could lead us to the truth being a conspiracy to out the cia agent because her husband and perhaps she and her work were presenting obstacles for an administration that was hell bent on lying itself into a war???
PF; “Good morning. Would you please state your full name for the court?”
DC: “I’m afraid I’m not at liberty to disclose that information due to the potential threat of compromising or endangering national security,…hey Reggie,.. whassup?”
EO13292 was enacted(?) in March of 03 and it gave broad but significant power to the VP on (de)classification and access to the same through the VP office. I think some answers are in that document.
I was so disappointed when this case didn’t move more quickly last year. However, now that 70% of the people disagree with Bush’s handling of war in Iraq, I think the trial and publicity will get more attention from the general public. And people are more likely to believe that Bush and his cabal really did mean to out Valerie. In retrospect, the timing couldn’t be better!
Jay at 14 — well, I jokingly say that I’m a “recovering attorney.” *g*
oh, via the LA Times, Abizaid is retiring in March.
Morning everyone,
Here’s more coffee (Seychelle this time, roasted on Monday) and some Adventstollen, very nice, made with almond flour. Grab a serviette, the powdered sugar isn’t good for the keyboard.
Thank you for the nice protein-y breakfast post, Christy. I go, mug in hand, to read every word.
So back to my question, how do we get from here (libby prosecuted for and perhaps convicted of lying to prosecutors) to there (the administration outted Plame to quiet the roar of dissent regarding the lead up to this fiasco of a war in the middle east). Help…I need to believe….there is a santa claus and his name is FITZ.
If Dick “Wedgemouth” Cheney ever testifies, here’s my guarantee:
He will lie. It’s what he does. It’s what he’s always done. He’s not a good liar (doesn’t try to hew close to plausibility), but he is dedicated. He’ll cling to his lie until it’s wrenched from his cold clammy fingers, at which point he’ll present another and cling to it with equal determination.
HotFlash at 20 — The Peanut is home again with a cough and the sniffles, so putting this post together this morning was no easy task. Glad it’s meeting your breakfast reading needs. ;-)
Hope to have something more in-depth on the direct exam versus cross exam later today, if I can get to it for you guys.
((((Peanut))))
Christy Hardin Smith @ 18
My friend calls herself a “lapsed attorney.”
btw, there is a Bush presser coming up shortly…just FYI. Pardon me while I go take some pre-emptive ibuprofin.
Great post Christy, thank you.
Btw, I sent you an email last night. Hope you received it ok.
LATimes
Abizaid going to resign. obviously Bush is ready to kick a bit more mud around. Like said earlier, I think its a good idea because the current situation isnt convincing. The other point is, with Abizaid resigning, that Bush could have lost his last rationale. Thatd b kinda bad.
drive-by: if you didn’t catch the video over at digby’s, “Didn’t We Tell You Bush Was a Fool”, it is well worth the watch…
video
Hmmmm…they are showing the room where the presser is going to occur — multiple American flags are set up. Looks like someone is having a “feeling bad about how the public feels about me” sort of day, and they are doing the full bloom public staging today.
I sense Christy having a subtle desire to practice law again as a prosecutor… ;-)
Why is the defense doing this? I just can’t grok it. Why would they expose themselves to this massive risk? Are they so hubris-filled that they no longer have any feeling for this?
Or have they cooked up a method by which DeadEye will declare Executive Privilege from the stand — the unitary executive’s equivalent of pleading the Fifth — and make all testimony impossible or unavailable for use?
The whole thing doesn’t make sense, short of actively and aggressively throwing Libby under the schoolbus yellow Hummer of fate, with the expectation that Libby can’t or won’t retaliate by pantsing DeadEye since a presidential pardon is in the offing in a mere 24 months.
Maybe I’m just short on caffeine. Maybe I’ll go brew myself a double espresso and see if things look clearer.
G’Morning all… It is a brisk 28 degrees in Phoenix today…. yee gad did not look at my citrus trees, covered my gardenias and it looks like my Lantana is toast. Dang… it is difficult to find the purple color too.
In all their glory in front of the jury, so that the jury members can see every sneer, every blink, and every snarling flash of the angry eyes. Every bead of sweat on that wide forehead.
Sneering, blinking, snarling, flashing angry eyes? Not our Darth Cheney!
I hope they get the live show and not the prerecorded thing.
Abizaid, one of the very few that actually speaks the language, gone. I am fiercely opposed to the war(s)– but Abizaid said “no more troops”.
gah.
Oh and thank you for the Fitz fix, Christy– great post!
Oldtimer @ 21
agreed. it would be very hard for cheney not to lie – a lot… and about things that aren’t central… he lies so frequently and with such confidence.
i hope fitz is prepared… remember the 2004 election vp debates when darth lied about not meeting edwards previously? sometimes i think cheney’s lies are calculated to shock and throw his opponent off balance.
Good morning ReddHedd,
Point of order – and I realize you already know this, but for those who might not be sure of trial procedure:
While Cheney may “be able to have a lawyer present,” his attorney won’t be able to do anything other than sit back and watch. No smirks, hand signals or head nods either.
As a non-party, Cheney has no right to an attorney and the only participating attorneys will be Libby’s or Fitz (and maybe a ? or two by the Judge). Libby’s attorneys likely won’t risk speaking (directly) w/Cheney pre-trial because any hint that they have and those discussions are subject to cross examination since no testimonial privilege is in place between Cheney and Libby’s attorneys.
Unlike in the grand jury room, at the Libby criminal trial the prosecuting attorney has another attorney representing the interests of the defendant, who will challenge what the prosecutor is doing. However, neither advocate has Cheney’s interest at stake. And in fact, Fitz may have an interest in making Cheney look good on some questions and Libby’s attorney may have incentives to make Cheney look bad on some issues.
slainte,
cl
selise @ 34
he also said he did not know Joe Wilson……
Off topic, but there seem to be a lot of lawyers here so I’ll ask anyway: If I have several fitful nights dreaming about work, can I charge the company for it? If so, it would be overtime too.
katie at 16 — I think it depends on how you are defining success in this case, frankly. If success is defined solely by the types of charges that are brought and by conviction numbers, then a multi-count indictment for Libby may not be enough for you. If, however, success is defined as reducing the credibility of the Bush Administration, inviting much closer scrutiny by pointing out their penchant for lying to the public to force their way through to whatever it is they want to do, exposing all those lies to the sunshine of public view, and exposing the way they operate in smashing critics upside the head with a baseball bat just for being critics…well, in my mind anyway, that’s a huge victory.
And when you think where we are in terms of public trust for them, the Democratic victories, the questioning of Iraq strategy, and all the other things that are being openly done now — which stem, in part, from opening the door to these questions through this case and lifting up that rock that covered the smarmy worms of the WHIG, just as one prime example — and we owe quite a bit of that to the digging that was done surrounding this case.
Chimpy live on CNN – this week i went to the pentagon to swear in bob gates. he is gonna bring a fresh perspective to pentagon. We are lucky to have him. One of the top priorities of this war is to make sure the soldiers have what they need to do their job
Bush knifes Rumsfeld in his first senetence…..Gates “fresh perspective” instead of Rumsfelds stale, losing vision.
How’dya like them apples Rummy?
-GSD
HotFlash at 20–
Advent stollen!! [”shtollen”]
Danke schoen.
Chimpy live on CNN – asked for permanent increase of army and marines
Chimpy live on CNN – “foment” used once and counting
Perhaps the best historical analysis for Bush is King Tut. The Boy King.
At least Ahamadinejad thinks so.
-GSD
Rayne at 32 — My guess is that there are pieces of evidence that they want to introduce that can only come in via Cheney. And I think LHP was correct yesterday, that there is likely some worry about the jury’s impression on the NIE releases by Libby — and they are doing CYA by having Cheney accept responsibility on that one. But that’s a fine line — especially considering how that testimony will sound coming out of Dick Cheney’s mouth. (”Yes, I did allow selective leaking of the NIE to cover my ass for lying to the American public.” — sure, he’s not going to SAY that, but Fitz will have a field day with that on cross-exam.)
We will present a brand new slogan to win this war.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – our goal remains a free and democratic iraq (peeance freeance iraq) so they can assist us in GWOT
…new way forward
…change strategeries and tactics as the situation changes on the ground
OldCoastie @
7
Christy Hardin Smith @
8
I’ve heard that before somewhere – maybe John Dean can help me out. I seem to remember that he was part of what I’m trying to recall.
*g*
It sounds like something Sam Ervin might have said to Lowell Weicker.
Chimpy live on CNN – we can be smarted about how we deploy our manpower and resources
Chimpy live on CNN – aside from the GWOT, we have to do things here at home. touting this booming economy that he seems to see.
—strong beginning of the holiday shopping season — “i encourage you to go shopping more” wtf
Just driving by this morning . . . have fun everyone, and stay safe and warm.
Chimpy live on CNN – encourage american business to invest in innovation (i guess he means in china?)
-need clean sources of energy (even though i still wont watch gore’s movie)
supports a $2.10 (i think) increase in minimum wage over X number of years
Christy 45 — yeah, I got you on that, agree with LHP, but as Caoimhin Laochdha indicated above, Cheney’s going to be flying blind, naked in front of the class without his homework.
Seems like a HUGE risk unless they figure they’ve got it in the bag, or the risk of exposure is smaller than whatever else is out there.
In other words, does DeadEye know somebody has the bead on him from some other direction, and this is the only way he can weasel out?
I wish I could discount this as mere paranoia, but this cabal has proven that I cannot be sufficiently paranoid.
Chimpy live on CNN – to achieve these goals, we must put aside our partisan differences
question time
Is it me, or is the Shrub a little testy this morning already before anyone gets to even ask a question?
Chimpy live on CNN – reporter – you said before “absolutely we’re winning.” why the change now?
chimp-i believe we’re gonna win. if i didnt think that, i wouldn’t have our troops there.
-not succeeding as fast as i wanted. conditions are tough there
Testy, he sounds like LBJ did when he knew the jig was up.
w: when i speak, like right now, i am talkin to the murkin people.
they can’t run us out of the middle east.
(yes, they can)
Chimpy live on CNN – i want the iraqis to understand, if they stand up, we can achieve our objective.
we ain’t leavin’, that would mean the terrists have won
Christy, he’s a fricking mess. I want someone to push him hard…..Let’s go Gregory.
Raven, yeeps, sounds about right.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – reporter – if u think surge is needed, would u overrule your commanders if they recommend against it?
-that’s a dangerous hypothetical.
{will not answer the question}
“i’ll report back to you on that”
I am not a murkin, thank the stars.
dear president bush:
i want YOU to understand – bring the troops home NOW!
Cheney knows he can’t stand the heat, he has a public image of being intelligent and fast on his feat, but he deliberately avoided contact after he shot his pal in the face.
he also lost control and actually told senator leahy to fuck off.
this man would CRUMBLE even in front of a pedestrian prosecutor and CERTAINLY in front of fritz
not only would he crumble, he KNOWS he would crumble and he is absolutely NOT ego bound to appear, he’s yellow and thinks the better “strategy” is to not face the confrontation
IF he makes any testimony at all, I lay odds it is video taped
HOWEVER
I believe he is going to make his point, that he is not subject to subpoenas, he’s already told congress if subpoenaed he will not appear and I believe he is going to try to set the precedent right here and now.
if he appears for this case, he will be OBLIGATED as far as their image marketing is concerned, to appear before congress if they serve him by subpoena.
I still lay odds he refuses and takes it to the supreme court, where alito will help overturn prior precedence, where roberts will be the only hope to maintain separation of powers between the branches of government
Brett Baer:…Mr. President, I love you more than Harriet Miers.
-GSD
A dangerous hypothetical. . .nice try!
sounds like he’s ready to overrule his commanders.
brett faux lobs a fluffy snowball.
“That’s a dangerous question.”
He’s on drugs. He’s just repeating slogans. If someone pushes, he might blow.
Chimpy live on CNN – question about adding more troops
-i havent made up my mind. i am consulterating
-not answering hypothetical questions today (but he will make as many hypothetical points as he wants)
it’s my presser and i’ll cry if i want to
Chimpy live on CNN – i appreciate the fact that a moderate coalition is being formed by the iraqi govt.
not gonna do it, stay the course, a thousand points, wouldn’t be prudent, naahh gunnaaa dooooittt
Sounds like Monkey-balls is setting-up Maliki for a coup.
-GSD
we uh, support, uh, he is a, he lives a secluded life uh
Christy Hardin Smith @
13
Christy – I have a full-fledged, mature lemon tree in my backyard (along with a huge avocado tree and fledgeling lime, orange, & grapefruit, well, shrubs), and yes, it’s great. Here in Los Angeles, that works (it’s 38 degrees this AM, which is about as cold as it gets here in the hills).
My girlfriend got some potted citrus for her deck, and her lemon tree has gone wild – she’s gotten a couple dozen lemons already. Hers are 6-7′ tall, and immobile unless she buys a forklift or starts dating a powerlifter. Dwarf lemons are more portable. The trick, apparently, is judicious use of fertilizer (citrus crack, we call it) to make them go wild.
There really is nothing better than fresh lemon, and one of the great pleasures of summer is fresh lemon-rosemary chicken: just chop up some fresh rosemary into the juice of one fresh-picked lenon and about 1/4 cup olive oil, mix well, and put in a zip-lock back with 3-4 skinless chicken breasts for about an hour, and then cook on a hot grill, which sears in the juices and makes for a delicious and healthy protein part of dinner.
Must go get breakfast…too hungry now.
Rove, you’re fired.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – question – rummy wanted lighter forces, was that wrong?
-no, i support lighter, more agile forces. i support him strongly. I understand we’re gunna b in a long struggle with radicals and extremists
-will take time for the ideology of liberty to triumph over the ideology of hate
uh-oh.
w: i am not predicting any particular theater…..
i hope somebody asks him about Afghanistan…
bold off
Rayne @ 64
Where are you from?
Theater, he should be on the stage, there’s one leaving in 30 minutes!
it looks like I might have hit bold by mistake and forgot to close tag
I didn’t embolden on purpose and if it was me I can’t edit so could someone close those bold tags for me?
thanx
alot of Americans understand
Chimpy live on CNN – it is in our interests to combine security with a political process
question – in latest cbs poll – 50% say they want a beginning to an end in iraq. no clear mandate to remain in iraq. will u still follow a path against the will of americans.
chimp – i believe in victory. the violence is troubling to murikans. i dont believe most americans want us to get out now.
retreat would dash the hopes of millions that want to be free.
president bush says we have to marginalize those who would use violence to achieve political objectives.
sounds good to me. can we start with you, president bush?
If you refresh, everything starting w my 79 should be ok.
w: Most Americans don’t want us out now.
(yes we do)
Chimpy….and who has hurt “the credibility of the United States” more than you, you idiot?
LBJ didn’t sleep. . .
Chimpy live on CNN – i understand the consequences of failure. I thought the elections said the people want to see more bipartisanship
WRONG you a-hole
perris–
My suggestions for bold/italics:
(1) Always preview
(2) After the bold/italics, have at least a couple words that are not. Then you can see in preview that your code is properly closed.
Chimpy: I spend time making cute Barney Christmas videos too.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – most difficult part of my presidency has been knowing americans are dying and families are grieving
we will accomplish our objectives and we will adjust our tactics to do so
It’s the calling of our time
Chimpy live on CNN – helping support young democracies is the calling of our time.
Can these assholes ever hit him with a really hard question?
-GSD
egregious @ 90
I didn’t bold at all, but I guess the button got clicked
anyway, it’s still bold here…if it’s me, could you take out the tag entireley?
oh yeah, shop more!
Chimpy (on CNN) thinks the “‘murkan people wanna see success”. Where does he get that? I think the American people want an end to the bloodshed.
Most parents of dead servicemen and women want to know their “children didn’t die in vain.” *geez, in that case, I hope the parents don’t see Iraq for Sale.”
Chimpy live on CNN – question – can we afford new tax breaks given the cost of the GWOT?
-shorter chimp – my tax breaks have worked
hmmm, no mention of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed…
wtf is this reporter goon asking questions about anything besides this criminal war– giving w an option to opine about his shiny economy is dumb!
perris — I think that the argument DeadEye makes about the power of subpoenas has limits. He is not immune from prosecution, no citizen is; were he called by Congress to answer for his actions as an executive, I think he’d have more leg to stand on, but not in a criminal case.
And since the criminal case is not against him, DeadEye really can’t claim executive privilege (IMHO, IANAL) since it is Libby’s actions that are in question — unless DeadEye really does try the Col. Jessep move from the stand, admitting he gave the orders to leak and that it is “divine right” as an executive to do so, hoping that all the rigamarole of going to the SCOTUS would drag out so long that Dubya would issue pardons before the case was finished.
What’s DeadEye got to lose if he goes this route? He could go and live in Paraguay, next door to Dubya…he’s probably made enough money to escape someplace with nice weather that wouldn’t extradite him, could escape the outcome of the civil suit.
Good God, it is horrible to be reduced to missing Nixon.
Chimpy live on CNN – blah blah blah
-no child left behind will be important part of 2007 legislation
-also have to move away from oil. i’ve heard of these new batteries that we can drive 20-40 miles on
Chimpy live on CNN – it’s all about wood chips and switch grass
Suddenly it is fashionable to talk about weaning the nation off of oil dependence. Jees, I wonder who has been talking about that for the past 30 years and getting called anti-American commies for such statements.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – nookulur power is renewable and nookulur power doesnt give off greenhouse gas
continue to invest in clean coal tech (what a f@#kin sham)
“We’ve cut the deficit in half”. Why doesn’t anyone ever challenge his lies?
Darn I kinda liked the bold.
raven @ 59
Testy, he sounds like LBJ did when he knew the jig was up.
Bet LBJ never bragged about sleeping just fine while he had troops dying in field.
Chimpy live on CNN – i have lost his train of thought (if there is one)
shorter chimp – free trade is good
Uh oh! Chimpy on the economy. Low taxes “help” the economy.
Also,
Reauthorizatoin of “no-child left behind”.
Chimpy (totally BSing I am sure) on conservations “batteries.” “Nukular power” essential for India, China, U.S. –does not emit greenhouse gases=– *er, chimpy, what about Iran?*
Rayne @ 101
I agree with the arguments that say executive privilege doesn’t apply rayne, I’m not arguing in his behalfe at all
I am saying he disagrees, will claim it does apply, and he will press to the supreme court
Chimpy live on CNN – we got a robust agenda, i look forward top new congress
question – cheney testifying at libby trial, what r your feelings?
-i read it in newspaper today, it is an interesting piece of news. all im gunna say
Read about Dick/Scooter in the newspaper? I thought he didn’t read newspapers? And so Ann Comptom for the question about gays/benefits!
Chimpy live on CNN – question about mary cheney’s baby
-people need to be treated fairly. i know mary and i like her. she will be a fine loving mother.
No but he made the same kind of idiot judgements based on made up shit so he wouldn’t be “the first American President to lose a war” all the while knowing we weren’t going to “win”.
klyde @ 107
twolf–
You are the master stenographer! Kudos.
wait, did he just have a schizophrenic moment?
perris 108 — let’s count that as a vote for the Col. Jessep strategy, then. ;-)
I give it a 50/50 that this happens; I really have to wonder whether DeadEye knows with certainty that Waxman or Conyers has something on him already, and going Jessep early might change the subject.
Chimpy live on CNN – question about ISG report. should we talk to our adversaries?
-we made it clear what it takes for them to come to the table. suspend their enrichment program.
Oh…obviously I meant GO Ann Compton. Is it me or does he digress to “frat boy chatter” after every question where he didn’t spout the “phrases of the day”?
Chimp didn’t *hear* question on Scooter Libby.
Uh oh, they ask about Mary Cheney! “It’s a pers’nal matter for Cheney family. Mary will be lovin mother.”
Chimpy: The Iranian people can do better.
Same goes for America.
Jesus, he’s channeling his own presidency onto Ahmadinejad.
-GSD
egregious — oh, I’m from here, born in Michigan, am an American citizen.
But I’m not one of those “murkins” that Dubya is always referring to in his babblings that pass as pressers.
Chimpy live on CNN – the iranian people can do better. yet they have a leader that constantly sends messages to the world that iran is out of step with the rest of the world.
the leader in iran is willing to say things that really hurts his country and further isolates the people
Chimpy live on CNN – iran can do better than someone that tries to rewrite history… hmmmmmm
Has anyone noticed that this president’s past three or four pressers have been when David Gregory is out of town–in New York subing for Matt Lauer on the Today Show? Coincidence?
his speechifying about Ahmadinejad sounds just like he’s describing himself.
“he sez stuff that really hurts the
IranianAmerican people.”Chimpy live on CNN – re syria – “we talked to them, you gotta leave democrat lebanon alone”
twolf–
Do you use more than one screen? Do you have your opening phrase on cut/paste?
Just curious.
Chimpy live on CNN – question – did u or chief of staff investigate leak of the hadley memo? do u think there is someone in your admin trying to undermine you?
-i dont recall ordering an investigation. i do remember expressing angst about it.
Reflexive? Who is this pudwipe?
-GSD
twolf1 121 — OMG. Ahmadinejad’s speech writer swapped talking points with Bush’s speech writer.
They only flipped the names of the countries.
I suppose that’s rather efficient, like writing software code: write once, use many times.
twolf1 @ 125
too bad he didn’t say the same to Israel…
egregious @
128
“Chimpy live on CNN – “in cut-n-paste
Biodun @ 123
Great catch. Maybe he fears Gregory has the chops to become the Dan Rather/Sam Donaldson of this time?
did he say Iran was sending “Saddamists”?
Chimpy live on CNN :
Did you guys see the mood change when the qustion of the Iraq report came up?? WHOA!!
His face got real serious and then facial ticks start flying. Its as though someone just called his mother a whore!!! This guy is unstable. (Yeah I know..nothing new)
twolf1 @ 127
Can we talk with Isr*al next?
raven @ 135
No, he called Mary Cheney a “sodomite”…..Just kidding.
-GSD
ncnygirl @ 132
Jim Axelrod has been hitting on all cylinders lately with snow and today again with boosh.
Chimp on Iran. “You Iran, are further isolated from the world. . . You can do better than trying to have someone whose trying to develop a nookular weapon that the world thinks you shouldn’t have. . . . Leave “democrat” Lebanon alone.” (Total BS. Good Syria, bad Iran.)
Hadley Memo . . .”I don’t apprecerate those who leak” “we’ve had a lot of leaks, dunno where they’re from” “we can moan about it” ” but “we gotta lotta leakers.” “there should be a consequence for doing so (leaking)”.
Chimpy live on CNN – question – what lessons will u take into the final 2 years of your presidency?
-clearly on aspect of this war that did not go right is the sectarian violence in baghdad. it’s very troubling. a troubling aspect of trying to help this iraqi govt succeed.
-i am pretending you asked something else because i didnt understand the question
Ah, he did it again!
GSD @ 138
Howie Kurtz: Leaker in Chief?
Newsweek: Leaker in Chief
Christian Science Monitor: Leaker in Chief
All Libby can say about the NIE is that the VP authorized him and that the VP said (hear it, say it) the President authorized it.
Cheney is the guy who puts the Presidential authorizationt to misuse cherrypicked intel to deliberately mislead the American public – under oath, on the record. That will be kind of a first, I think, it if happens.
Fitzgerald has indicated that his only point in bringing up the NIE will be to set the stage for why the meeting with Miller took place. So who knows, they may end up ducking around the whole thing and limiting the VP’s testimony to how busy [and forgetful?] Libby was and how unexperienced and unfamiliar he was with nat. security/covert CIA operative issues. If so, yeah, it will be a bit interesting, but not such an issue.
But the VP is the only one who, on the stand, can tie it all back to Bush [and give Stewart and Olbermann, if no one in MSM, the ability to play his wink wink, nod nod - ‘you journalists keep such good secrets, we may NEVER know who leaked].
Bush as liar who did it just from a weak, meanspirited place in his soul and bc he thought he could get away with it, framed by his own VP, under oath. For that I’d pay the price of admission.
Pardon pressure?
Hey George…Anbar province is one 3rd of Iraq.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – rambling on about iraq, still dodging the question.
Chimpy live on CNN – second usage of “foment”
Can we marginalize the extremists in the AEI and your Whitehouse?
-GSD
Anyone following Chimpy’s take on sectarian violence? I’m losing the thread.
Mary!
Great to see you.
Chimpy live on CNN – we have to have a rebuilding process and political process going on at the same time in iraq
Chimpy live on CNN – cheney needs to get the hook, the chimpbot has had a short… the record is skipping
Chimpy live on CNN – question – on social security and immigration, why do u think your “microphone is loud” on these issues?
-it’s gunna take bipartisanship. we’ve passed a lot of legislation over the past 6 years. will be signing some crap today too.
Chimpy’s meds are wearing off, he’s making less and less sense.
He’s gonna start flinging pooh any minute now.
-GSD
I think Libby’s lawyers pretty much have to call the Shooter. It would be legal malpractice if they didn’t. Libby’s trying to take a fall for his boss. His lawyers, on the other hand, have to be loyal to Libby, not Cheney. It’s their job to defend Libby, not to protect the Vice-President. Even sleazy defense lawyers have to have some sort of code, and the only concern of a sleazy defense lawyer is getting the client off, no matter how much earth you have to scorch to do it.
Chimpy live on CNN – the dems control the house and senate. i will continue to work with them (wtf?) to solve key issues.
twolf1 @ 155
How big of him.
-GSD
Chimpy live on CNN – illegal immigrants rely on forgers and smugglers to do jobs murikans aren’t doin’
Mary 141 — thanks for the response, much appreciated. We’ll count that as a vote towards the Col. Jessep strategy, too.
JessepDeadEye gives the order to Libby, having been given instructions by Dubya to take care of the Wilson matter.Still puts DeadEye in the seat of heat for outing Plame, if it plays out this way, still risky that Dubya would issue a pardon.
Look at how Dubya’s handling the feedback from the ISG, having one big hizzy about it in a protracted form; being put on the spot by DeadEye might also do the same thing.
Man, this is going to get messy.
Has he said anything about how he plans to increase the size of the military when they’ve already had to put stop-loss programs in place?
Got to go, but has anyone asked Bush if he can describe the difference between Sunnis and Shia? The difference between the Badr Brigade and the Mahdi Army? Whether Sadr is pro- or con- Iran? You know, the kinds of questions that Reyes can’t answer either. *sigh*
And maybe someone could remember that there’s about to be a conflagration in Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Eritrea etc.?
Naw, forget that – they aren’t even asking questions anymore about our own Katrina victims and our forgotten children, forgotten victims.
Christy Hardin Smith @
8
Favorite in NM is former Governor For Three Terms at Least Bruce King who called it a “box of Pandoras.”
Pretty sure that is what we have got in the ME thanks to Mr. Nukular in Chief.
Back to the Presser. . .
did you see where Abazaid is out?
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..;cset=true
Chimpy live on CNN – re immigration – we’re makin progress. i m confident we can make positive progress. find common ground… yadda yadda yadda… i will do my part. i am lookin’ forward to workin’ with ‘em.
he’s dropped the names enough that it tells me he’s boned up on it
Mary @ 160
twolf1 @ 151
707! If only this weren’t real-life.
Mike “The Ringer” Allen has taken the place of Presidential Ball-rest away from Jeff Gannon.
Allen is truly a despicable toady.
-GSD
ruh-roh, dubya sez he’s gonna sprint to the finish.
he’s still readin’ about George Washington.
Chimpy live on CNN – “we can work together on no child left, minimum wage, soc sec reform, ear marks, immigration… I don’t like earmarks, it’s not good for the people.
I am gunna work hard until my term is done. people r trying to write history b4 it happens (hmmm… you maybe?)
no child left behind has been a significant accomplishment
the true history wont be written until i am long gone (can’t wait)
Why can’t Cheney just say that he can classify or unclassify any information at any time he feels it’s need is related to the protection, safety or security of the nation, without the need to justify his actions other than that? Also, aren’t others, either past or present associates of the VP alloweed access to classified information at the discretion of the VP’s office without establishing a ‘need to know’?
Chimpy live on CNN – presser over. chimpy going to crawford for the holiday
Chimpy’s bipartisan priorities: Immigration reform, social security*?*, medicare reform *?*, earmarks, (I support disdain for eermarks), “keep taxes low and cut the deficit”, renew No child left behind, free trade *cough*, “we’re gonna sprint to the finish and get a lot done.”
We should all be so *lucky* to go down to Crawford. “I’ll see you down there.”
MSNBC is killin him for “shopping”
twolf1 @ 170
And takin’ his “box of Pandoras” with him.
I read on Yahoo that Bush responded “Nice try” when asked if he plans to send a surge of troops to Iraq. What a condescending jackass. Does he really think he still has enough “political capital” to pull that off?
Renee in Ohio @ 174
Surge. That rhymes with Purge.
Anyone listening to the caller about more troops like throwing gasoline on a fire, because Bush’s policy is complete failure? Hehhe
twolf1
Incredible job! Thanks!
Bush:
I encourage all US troops to shop for coffins and artificial limbs.
Loser.
-GSD
Gen. McCaffrey on MSNBC. “The President is not extremely adroit when dealing with these types of questions.” Do you think?
rumi 169 — here’s a brush-up, a blast from the past here at FDL, covers some of the declassification questions. Feedback from our own Mary and DKos’ Georgia10 in a post by Christy.
Good stuff.
McCafferty says he ain’t adroit
Renee in Ohio @ 172
any congresscritter who votes to give him funding to continue (let alone expand) this war is an intellectual and moral moron.
Surge.
Rhymes with dirge.
Funeral dirge, for thousands of American families.
twolf–
Amazing work.
Now can I ask, do you use 2 or more screens?
The CSPan callers are really funny.
Mom? That pesky neighbor kid is here again.
rumi @ 169
I believe he’s already made that claim, that he’s been given that authority throug a specidfic executive order, his interperatation of that order was tortured at best and I don’t believe I heard Bush back cheney up
Now that they have been members of the insurgency for three years, let’s invite all of the Baathists back to become double agents…..Brilliant.
-GSD
raven @ 181
No surprise there. He’s barely human–you can only expect so much.
many thanks twolf et al. i can’t listen to president bush alone. it’s too just too painful. thank you for the company.
Fresh thread, everyone. Thought you could use some fresh digs…
perris 188 — and here’s Henry Waxman on Dubya’s failure to back up DeadEye on the declassification thing.
I wonder if Henry ever got a reply to his letter?
Adie @ 177
no problem. it’s hard work understanding how the chimp foments his diction… hard work i tell you. ;)
EvilDrPuma @ 190
Maybe just adrunk.
No Child Left Behind has been a *very* significant accomplishment.
Ask any teacher.
The right hand mandates standardization and removes personal control, responsibility and authority from the teacher while the left hand takes money away.
Just another area where the Mighty Wurlitzer has neglected fact checking.
egregious @ 184
right now, i am using a laptop in front of a TV.
twolf1- thanks for your efforts.
twolf1 @ 196
Actually I mean do you have more than one screen of fdl open on your laptop.
just for a reality check to those of you that think any politician is going to help the people do anything;
do you have a bridge that you have to drive over to go to work?
if it falls, you are out of work
do you grow enough food in your area to take care all of your population?
do you rely on products that come to you every day because you expect them to? water, gas, electricity?
my fellow sheep, you need to consider putting things in order for yourselves, because as you know for certain, your government will not help you at all. they are there simply to make a profit for themselves, and to be re-elected so that they can do it again for 2 to 6 years.
just so you know, we have no money to fix the bridges or train tracks that bring the food, the oil, the medicine to your little burg
we have no school system that teaches people skills of value in anything but our own fragile system. People that work with their hands are undervalued, where people that only think are valued. I would ask which one you would prefer having with you if you were on your own?
now far be it from me to suggest that no one in our government cares about us, but I would like to see just one thing our government has done to address issues known to be life threatening for the people of this country. The FDA is owned by the pharma, so regulations be damned. the FCC is owned by the media, so shut up and watch your teevee and see what we want you to.
come on, wake up and make a place for yourself in the new world order. soon enough, america will look like baghdad, don’t you see? the people of iraq were in the way of the oil, so they are being “re settled” if you are in the way, you will be too.
one might consider asking if the private contractor armies are moving into position in our country to take over the work of the national guard and military? that would be convenient for this government for two reasons. It guts the effectiveness of our military, and prevents them from being here to assist the people of our country. It would also make it far easier to enforce martial law, wouldn’t it?
good luck to you all, and may you abandon fantasy as a guiding force for your existence
Rayne @ 178
Thanks for the great link. It’ll take some time to reread all of that. Was the last line of the order discussed? That would put the restrictions pending until taking effect at the end part of Sept, 2003….pretty convenient timing.
love these throwback plame threads! so much to keep track of in the details, yet to me, it remains a simple case at its core: a crime was committed. someone lied to cover up the original crime creating a new crime which must be dealt with before resuming the prosecution of the original crime.
the talented defense teams will no doubt muddy the waters and slow the processes along the way, but teh fitz beats on…
btw- merry fitzmas firedawgs!
Christy,
If Cheney does provide videotaped testimony, can the videotape be edited by either side? I mean, what if Cheney comes off as too gruff or too arrogant or if he slips up with an answer? Can they start over?
GSD @ 95
From Justin Frank’s Bush on the Couch, pp 44 ff:
I added the emphasis. So, I think the answer is “no, these assholes can’t hit him with a hard question.
BC
I hate to say it but I’m guessing that Cheney will skate through this without breaking a sweat.
I’ve lost all confidence in our system of justice especially where priveledge and power are at stake.
“A web site put out by the Washington Times”?
Radar? Did I read that sentence incorrectly or are you just misinformed? Please enlighten.