
The news from Great Britain this morning is all abuzz about the Think Tank report that says that the new government after Tony Blair leaves office must distance itself from the United States and move more toward Europe as a matter of foreign policy survival due to the debacle that is Iraq. Think about that for a moment.
Britain and the United States have been staunch allies for decades. In six short years, George W. Bush has managed to take the United States' staunchest ally and send it screaming into the arms of the rest of Europe.
"A distancing of the U.K. from the U.S. and a closer relationship with Europe are requirements of the post-Blair foreign policy," the London-based international affairs institute said in London today.
The report, by Victor Bulmer-Thomas, who steps down as director of Chatham House on Dec. 31, is aimed at stimulating debate about the direction of U.K. foreign policy after Blair retires. Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown, the ruling Labour Party's finance minister since 1997, is favorite to take over.
The report calls the invasion of Iraq a "terrible mistake" and says the root failure of Blair's foreign policy has been his inability to influence the Bush administration in any significant way. The absence of a United Nations Security Council Resolution authorizing the use of force drove a "horse and cart" through Blair's self-proclaimed doctrine of international community, it said….
The GuardianUK has much more on this report, and British reactions to it — both from within and from outside Blair's government. And it isn't just with Britain where the US reputation and influence is in dire need of repair. Consider this latest from Richard Haass in Foreign Affairs:
Just over two centuries since Napoleon's arrival in Egypt heralded the advent of the modern Middle East — some 80 years after the demise of the Ottoman Empire, 50 years after the end of colonialism, and less than 20 years after the end of the Cold War — the American era in the Middle East, the fourth in the region's modern history, has ended. Visions of a new, Europe-like region — peaceful, prosperous, democratic — will not be realized. Much more likely is the emergence of a new Middle East that will cause great harm to itself, the United States, and the world….The end of the Cold War and the demise of the Soviet Union brought about a fourth era in the region's history, during which the United States enjoyed unprecedented influence and freedom to act. Dominant features of this American era were the U.S.-led liberation of Kuwait, the long-term stationing of U.S. ground and air forces on the Arabian Peninsula, and an active diplomatic interest in trying to solve the Arab-Israeli conflict once and for all (which culminated in the Clinton administration's intense but ultimately unsuccessful effort at Camp David). More than any other, this period exemplified what is now thought of as the "old Middle East." The region was defined by an aggressive but frustrated Iraq, a radical but divided and relatively weak Iran, Israel as the region's most powerful state and sole nuclear power, fluctuating oil prices, top-heavy Arab regimes that repressed their peoples, uneasy coexistence between Israel and both the Palestinians and the Arabs, and, more generally, American primacy.
What has brought this era to an end after less than two decades is a number of factors, some structural, some self-created. The most significant has been the Bush administration's decision to attack Iraq in 2003 and its conduct of the operation and resulting occupation. One casualty of the war has been a Sunni-dominated Iraq, which was strong enough and motivated enough to balance Shiite Iran. Sunni-Shiite tensions, dormant for a while, have come to the surface in Iraq and throughout the region. Terrorists have gained a base in Iraq and developed there a new set of techniques to export. Throughout much of the region, democracy has become associated with the loss of public order and the end of Sunni primacy. Anti-American sentiment, already considerable, has been reinforced. And by tying down a huge portion of the U.S. military, the war has reduced U.S. leverage worldwide. It is one of history's ironies that the first war in Iraq, a war of necessity, marked the beginning of the American era in the Middle East and the second Iraq war, a war of choice, has precipitated its end.
Other factors have also been relevant. One is the demise of the Middle East peace process. The United States had traditionally enjoyed a unique capacity to work with both the Arabs and the Israelis. But the limits of that capacity were exposed at Camp David in 2000. Since then, the weakness of Yasir Arafat's successors, the rise of Hamas, and the Israeli embrace of unilateralism have all helped sideline the United States, a shift reinforced by the disinclination of the current Bush administration to undertake active diplomacy….
Actions have consequences — both short and long term — as do inactions. And the long-term consequences of the actions and inactions of the Bush Administration are playing out before our eyes, as they ripple forth into the future of not just our lifetimes, but also those of our children and grandchildren. Foreign Affairs has a roundtable discussion on the Baker-Hamilton Report (they could have saved themselves the trouble of the analysis by simply reading Scarecrow and Atrios, but I digress…) — and the conclusion essentially is that Iraq is a mess, and that there is no realistic plan from the Bush Administration for how to deal with it.
The fact that newspapers and analysts alike are saying the same thing today — including a very bleak article with assessments from the Joint Chiefs and military commanders at the Pentagon — is painful reading. The fact that it comes so late in this mess is all the more painful. For example, from the WaPo:
But the Joint Chiefs think the White House, after a month of talks, still does not have a defined mission and is latching on to the surge idea in part because of limited alternatives, despite warnings about the potential disadvantages for the military, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the White House review is not public.
The chiefs have taken a firm stand, the sources say, because they believe the strategy review will be the most important decision on Iraq to be made since the March 2003 invasion.
At regular interagency meetings and in briefing President Bush last week, the Pentagon has warned that any short-term mission may only set up the United States for bigger problems when it ends. The service chiefs have warned that a short-term mission could give an enormous edge to virtually all the armed factions in Iraq — including al-Qaeda's foreign fighters, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias — without giving an enduring boost to the U.S military mission or to the Iraqi army, the officials said.
The Pentagon has cautioned that a modest surge could lead to more attacks by al-Qaeda, provide more targets for Sunni insurgents and fuel the jihadist appeal for more foreign fighters to flock to Iraq to attack U.S. troops, the officials said.
How many more years will it take before we get "a plan"? Honestly, how many more? And why aren't all Americans standing up and asking that same damned question? And beyond that, why aren't more people asking this:
Will anyone get beyond the view that "we have to succeed" to actually ask the question as to whether it is possible or likely?
Because not asking it makes us weaker — at home and in the eyes of everyone outside the United States. Oversight, accountability — this makes us stronger. Learning from our mistakes so that we are not doomed to repeat them over and over again — this makes us stronger. Rubber stamping things for this President — that is what I call failure of leadership.
Iraq is a mess — and the failure of planning and the failure of even coming to terms with this mess on any level within the Bush Administration, leaves us stranded in a quagmire of our own making, floundering for all the world to see, to shake their heads, and then plan how they should best move forward. Without us.
The myth of American superiority has been punctured, most likely irreparably, by the idiocy of George Bush's policies and failures. Nations which once worked with us — not just because we were working on issues of import to them, but also because it was in their long-term interest to do so with a nation which controlled so much of the economic and military and other resources throughout the world, as well as had its finger on the pulse of so many spheres of influence at once…all of these nations have learned to get by without having to rely on any favor from the United States whatsoever.
Diplomacy is not just negotiating for what you want. It is also maintaining a balance of relationships, a level of trust, and a constant stream of ties that bind one nation to another. This ensures a long-term level of relationships on which we ought to be able to rely when problems — both big and small — crop up, be they in individual nations, regionally, or globally.
The Bush Administraiton's disdain for such diplomacy has wrought a whole series of changes to the global system of interdependence and ties — and the web has re-woven itself. But instead of including the strands that the United States had for some many, many years assiduously guarded and jealously built and re-built time and time again, the Bush Administration has allowed many of them to fray, some of them to break — and all of them to become redundant to other lines that have now been built as detours around us.
And because of this, we are weaker. The United States has lost influence, not because it lacks strength, but because under George Bush it has lacked the wisdom and the courage to know when there is a need to bend.
We must acknowledge that this is a problem — because the hubris, the bluster and the "yee haw" attitude of the Bush Administration is not working. It is not working in the broader range of international diplomacy, and it is certainly not working in Iraq.
Shiite militias, the Pentagon report said, also received help from allies among the Iraqi police. “Shia death squads leveraged support from some elements of the Iraqi Police Service and the National Police who facilitated freedom of movement and provided advance warning of upcoming operations,” the report said.
“This is a major reason for the increased levels of murders and executions.”
What we are doing now is not working, and pretending that it will work if we just keep doing the wrong thing over and over and over again is lunacy. Plain and simple. And no amount of semantics games played by the Pentagon or the Bush Administration gets around that point — it simply makes them sound ludicrously out of touch. Last night, I read back through the intense, wonky discussion that we had with Amb. Wilson, and in light of all of the news of this morning, it is an especially painful read to contemplate all of the turns we could have made.
Walk back with me for a moment to those weeks after 9/11/01, at a time when the unprecedented support for the United States from around the world offered us an opportunity — had we but seized it at the time — to forge even stronger alliances, stronger threads,on which our foreign policy, influence and ability to work with other nations around the world could have rested for years and years to come.
Instead, we must face the reality of what did happen. And the fact that this long series of poor decisions and failures to even address issues of consequence through diplomatic means has made our nation all the weaker — at a time when we can ill afford it.
The incoming Congress must, for all our sakes, provide oversight on these issues and demand accountability. It is only in the process of examining this mess and beginning to demand that these wrong decisions by the Bush Administration be righted that we begin to regain any credibility as a nation. Unfortunately, that myth of the shining city on the hill, which guarded human rights and liberty and freedom for all above all else has been lost…perhaps forever.
The only way to earn back trust is by a long series of actions to right the wrongs done which caused the loss in the first place. We will all be paying for the Bush Administration's failed policies for generations to come.
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uno zed, por favor?
Teh Zed goes to jayt.
Christy!
too bad I don’t know any French…
jayt @ 4
un zero, s’il vous plait?
how do we stop this guy?
obviously, nothing matters to Bush…
Sorry for the early OT, but I’m chuckling enough over this one that I can’t help myself:
Kudos to Rangel for a nice parody of the GOP’s Hillary-baiting. The Dems could use more effective political humor like this (John Kerry, I’m looking at you.)
I don’t know if we have the capacity to admit our errors, and correct them.
Great post, Christy.
my despair lifted after the election, but has now returned. I hate to say it, but I’m pinning my hopes on Gates – supposedly he will toss the worst of the neocons out of the Pentagon.
I suspect Shrubya will ignore him and/or discredit him ASAP.
With Britain running in the opposite direction – geez! what it will take for Bush to completely collapse?
what does success even look like?
there was a secullar government, now it’s a theocracy
anything other then a secular government is a failure…period.
so long as the people in Iraq will vote, they will vote for their religous leaders.
so what does success look like?
it looks like nothing, it can’t happen
Will the Generals finally have to refuse the Commander in Chimp? THAT would be interesting.
Matt at 8 and 9 — Hey! Good to see you over in these parts. Thanks. :)
bg @ 12
they have refused him, they’ve resigned en masse to raise the alarm to America what has happened to our armed forces
and with this wapo article they’ve gone public with information that is supposed to be confidential
they are informing America in no uncertain terms, the man in office is detached and needs to be countermanded
Matt Stoller @ 8
I don’t think that most Americans have the capacity and/or willingness to comprehend our errors.
It’s the lynchpin of the gop’s electoral success.
Getcher’ head back in the sand! Thars oil down ‘nere!
It’s interesting, no one yet really took the time to look at this quote:
let alone ask some pertinent questions. Like:
1. What is the definition of “victory” as it relates to Iraq?
2. How will we know when we have reached “victory”?
3. How will we know when we will be unable to reach “victory” in Iraq?
4. What is(are) the objective(s) of the US presence in Iraq?
5. Why do “we have to succeed” in Iraq?
6. How will we know when we reach any of the objectives of the US presence in Iraq?
I was thinking last night, about “objectives” and “missions”. Marshall wrote a one paragraph letter to Eisenhower, appointing him as commander of the ETO and directing him to build a force, effect entry into the European continent, penetrate German defenses, and defeat the German regime to a surrender. Marshall did that in about 50 or so words – defining the objectives, the mission, and the victory conditions.
We’ve never seen any of that – or anything like it – from this administration.
T- @ 15
it wasn’t about getting the oil, it was about controlling the oil and witholding the oil
There’s always been a back-and-forth between the extremes that exist at the State Dept and the DOD. The wingnuts at Defense see “diplomacy” as a dirty word that means “all talk, no action” or “roll over and give your enemies what they want.” Their opposite numbers at State think the military is filled with Cro-magnons who just want to throw their weight around and pound things with their bright shiny toys.
Generally speaking, most of the time these people are suffered because of their ranks but rarely listened to in any serious way and certainly not allowed anywhere near any actual decisionmaking.
Then along came Group W.
When the Commander in Chief views diplomacy as a dirty word, the whole world is in trouble. Powell, for all his warts, at least had the clout to be able to slow him down for a bit. Bush couldn’t simply push him aside and run wild. I shudder to think what 2002 would have been like with Condi at State instead of the WH.
The toughest job in the next president’s administration will be Secretary of State. I’d love to see presidential candidates talk about the kind of person they’d appoint, if not actually toss some names out.
My kid (8 yo daughter) and I were standing in a very long line at the post office yesterday and to pass the time I started asking her to solve some math problems. This older gent behind me was benignly evesdropping and at the correct moment complimented me on my parenting skills. I thanked him and said it’s all her doing…
I introduced myself. George and I got to talking about kids and I found out that he was in line to send his son –a civilian contractor (auditor of private contracts w/US gov’t)– a ‘kit.’ In this kit were new toothbrushes, razorblades, magazines and M&Ms.
I asked if his son was in the ‘zone or out of the zone.’ He replied that his boy tried to stay in the zone as much as possible. I asked how his mom was holding up. The man got misty and said she’s doing as well as she can.
We switched back to talking about my beautiful daughter and the moment brightened immeasurably. When it was finally my turn to send off my package I wished him a happy holidays and headed to the postal clerk waiting for me. George was looking at the floor.
I wish you the best of all presents George: your son safe and home and next to the family hearth as soon as this madness can be purged from world we walk in.
Peace.
perris @ 14
This may seem so, but Think Progress has some news that isn’t very heartening:
In other words, let’s kick the can down the road 3 or 4 FU’s and let the dems try to clean it up. Yeah, let them try.
Imagine what more can and will happen with 4 more FU’s
I don’t think the world can survive it, let alone the US.
Haas seems like a solid guy. Don’t know much of anything about him, but every time I see him quoted, he’s making sense. (Flynt Leverett made a lot of sense yesterday too).
SecState 2008?
And, regardless of HRC’s success, or lack thereof, in the 2008 election, I think that the Big Dawg should be — I dunno, is there such a thing as Ambassador to the World?
The 20th Century was supposedly the American Century. The 21st Century will be the Chinese Century. While the US has been distracted by the useless war in Iraq, the Chinese have been busy laying the foundations of its own empire: tranforming itself from the world’s factory into a consumer society, the biggest market in human history; buying up US treasury bonds–up to over $800 billion by now, which means the US owes China this amount (Bush has been using some of this this money to finance his private war); establishing trade agreements with several African countries, trying to capture that continent for itself; and so on, and so on.
Meanwhile, Bush has let the Iraq war distract from the War on Terror, which in fact is World War IV: the real war of globalization.
(World War I defeated imperialism; World War II defeated nazism and fascism; World War III–the cold war, defeated communism.)
Rizbiz at 19 — Amen. I see so many families like that every day here — at the post office, at the grocery store…so many families…
Christy – I see one correction: The myth of American superiority has been punctured, most likely irreperably, by the
idicyidiocy of George Bush’s policies and failures.As I was reading your post, what came to mind was the title of something I haven’t read in many years: Rudyard Kipling’s The Light That Failed.
George W. Bush is walkin’ talkin’ E. coli incarnate. Who WOULDN’T head in the opposite direcion, and FAST?!
http://www.seriouskidding.com
Biodun at 22 — Absolutely — the Chinese have been ascending in influence and economic power, and they have been quietly, steadily and effectively increasing their diplomatic efforts as we have been stupidly pulling ours back in. And as our world market share, our economy, and our ability to influence issues across the board from trade policy to regional squabbles to weapons proliferation wanes — and conservatives start whining about all of these issues impacting their bottom line — they can turn and look in the mirror. Because propping up the Bush Administration is exactly what has expedited this process. Wankers.
RevDeb at 8:41 am -
How many neoconservatives belong to the American Enterprise Institute? To what extent are the AEI’s neoconservatives affiliated with AIPAC?
Stephen at 24 — thanks, I’ll fix it. And I love Kipling — haven’t read that one in years, either, but I have a desire to head out the library this afternoon now…
The Europe to whose arms the British must fly is more distant from the US than they were 6 years ago.
Remember Jos Mara Aznar Lpez, who lost the Spanish election days after the Madrid bombing because he was completely identified with Bush.
Or Silvio Berlusconi, whose combination of media ownership and Diebold corruption was not enough to allow him to retain control over Italy, because he was completely identified with Bush.
amen.
and in the service of intellectual honesty – i think we have to acknowledge that while bush has made an even bigger mess of our foreign policy, that doesn’t absolve clinton’s contribution to the problems.
in iraq – undermining the inspection process by using it as a cover for spying and then unilaterally pulling the (UN!) inspectors in an effort at regime change by bombing. propping up hussein by deadly sanctions that his own administration acknowledged caused the death of over half a million children under the age of 5.
in the israeli/palestinian conflict – the dramatic increase in settler numbers during the clinton years (it is now more than 400,000 jewish israelis living beyond the green line on palestinian land) has created a knot that israeli politics can not seem to untie – there is just too large a constituency for land expropriation. clinton’s camp davide efforts should be acknowledged, but they came too late, after too much one-sided policy and were a continuation of that one-sided policy.
and don’t get me started on clinton’s deadly trade policy.
if we are really committed to earning back trust, the “long series of actions to right the wrongs” we will have to take a hard and honest look at more than bush’s legacy.
I’m just sad about all of this. The perpetual stain on American history will be the 2000 election, when the man who legitimately won the Presidenmcy was kept out of office by a kangaroo court. OK, Supreme, but in this case, same thing. And this is what we get.
Frankly, if you keep doing stupid things, people should stop looking to you as a role model and following your advice. And that’s where we are.
When we went into Iraq, I thought it was a mistake for a lot of reasons, most of which have been explained by better writers and thinkers than me. But I thought of it in very primal terms. Professional fighters, for the most part, don’t want to get into street fights. Why? There’s no way to win. If they beat up whoever challenges them, they were supposed to, and maybe they were too rough or didn’t beat them badly enough. If they lose, that’s catastrophic, and everyone else will be emboldened. It’s why cops are incredibly forceful with resistant suspects, and why the best college teams – pick a sport – don’t like to play a weaker opponent away from home. You never want a lesser opponent to think they have a chance.
I know W thinks we could have spread democracy in the middle east like a virus from a flower-tossing, grateful democratic Iraq, but that was always a deluded hope. Really, there was no way to win. If we “won” and installed a represenative government, it would be representatively Islamic. And we’ve seen what happens if we don’t “win”.
I don’t pay attention to the kids who, in 5th grade, suggested I try eating wet cement; the world is not paying attention to George Bush or the United States. So we’re stuck here for two years more at least. But even if we get a grown-up President in 2008, how long will it take to unring this bell?
The idjit doesn’t even listen to his own people ,let alone any British intel.
The only diplomats I see BushCo talking to are the fucking puppets they tried to ram down everyones throat.
I was in China recently. It is astonishing. And the evidence seems clear that the people in China are Alive to the moment that has Arrived for them.
Still, they have tremendous challenges. The environment and the political climate in China are two big challenges to confront. I believe there are something like 3,000 new cars added to the streets of Beijing daily.
The air quality is beyond belief. One of the big issues they will have to solve is how to make the air clean enough for the 2008 Olympics. Of course they will sacrifice the use of cars for that, but the pace in China is picking up. Soon they will catch up to our thinking: “I can’t live without the car.”
The link at C-SPAN to Flynt Leveritt’s Iran talk has been broken now for at least 20 hours. It is the only link on the page where it resides which doesn’t work.
http://www.cspan.org/videoarch…..veDays=100
Must be some sort of technical glitch. Can’t possibly be disabled because somebody doesn’t want us to see/hear it, eh?
It’s hard to overstate how big a shift such a British policy would be. Marching orders to the British Ambassador to the US from Blair’s chief of staff in 1997: your job is to “get up the arse of the White House and stay there.”
There’s no way we will “get a plan” under Bush. As you note Christy, it’s been years at this point and at every turn, W has made a bad choice based on ideology, fantasy and imagery. He doesn’t seek or want accurate information about the situation at hand. Apparently he is still trusting his gut and Higher Father, neither of whom are feeding him good advice.
No plan is forthcoming. Given W’s record, unfortunately, that’s probably a good thing.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 24
And it’s “irreparably”. But that’s just nitpicking. ;-)
Christy @26: China is also at the center of nuclear expansion for certain countries in the past few decades. China enabled Pakistan, which in turn enabled North Korea (thanks to Dr. Khan). And North Korea has something to do with Iran’s own nuclear ambitions.
As for economic power: China will quite rapidly become the world’s second largest economy behind the US, overtaking Japan, Germany, and the UK.
Agreed, perris.
Another supply shock and Exxon/Mobil will have another record year.
Biodun at 38 — oh, absolutely. China has been the lynchpin in a lot of technology transfer for decades — obtaining hard currency being key to economic expansion back in the days when China’s economy was stagnant and they needed leverage to pull it up. And boy did they ever…
This is what thinking long-term, as opposed to simply short-term, can get you. Would that we could re-learn that lesson and stop with the MBA stock market management idiocy on the diplomatic front. It isn’t about playing to the freaking cameras for the next election cycle. The Great Game plays out over centuries, and we’d best remember that — and soon. This is just painful to watch right now.
OT, but this New Orleans jazz performance from Studio 60 last night is incredibly powerful. It had me in tears the first time through, and practically does again just thinking about it.
“All I Want for Christmas is My City Back.”
Redshift at 37 — thanks. Really appreciate the typo heads up gang — am managing twenty things at once this morning, so I’m just grateful that my point on this appears to have gotten across…
Professor Foland @ 35
Amen.
Winston Churchill has been rolling over in his grave (along with Harry Truman) for years now, given the way Bush has tried to claim his mantle. Should the British move away from the US, he’ll go into a full spin cycle.
The phrase
“most important decision since the decision to invade” improperly implies any sort of decisions have been made in that time.
The plain fact is that no real planning or decision-making has occurred. We have been in a strictly reactive mode, letting the opposition define our game plan.
Small wonder that our choices are now poor and poorer.
The only clear truth to me is that the decisions should not bve made by the same group of idiots who got us into the mess.
Selise,
This got EPU’d in the previous thread…
Shi’ite is an adjective form, Shia is a noun form. However, my understanding is that Shiite is a vaguely disparaging English form. Prior usage of the form with regard to religious adherents (e.g., Campbellite, Taylorite) supports such an interpretation. Shia would then be the preferred form, and I guess you use circumlocutions to avoid needing adjectives.
Note that we don’t refer to Sunni muslims as Sunni’ite. Part of the current war of all-against-all in Iraq is a Sunni-Shia confrontation.
BC
Bargain Countertenor @ 44
just saw it, many thanks!
glad you reposted here – was going to do so myself, if you hadn’t beaten me to it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
It always does. *g*
I’m not one of those people whose appreciation of the writing is bothered by spelling, but I figure if we’re going to be Spotlighting, having everything correct will help it be taken seriously. As has often been noted, one tradeoff blogs make is speed at the expense of lack of an editor, so if copy-editing can be a community function, we get the best of both worlds.
Redd,
I think the key question that people living in the failing state formerly known as Iraq have to ask themselves is, “Where does my primary allegiance lie?”
From 1790 to 1860 Americans had to ask themselves that question. One group (exemplified best by Robert E. Lee) decided that their primary allegiance was to their State. We fought a war to expunge that interpretation. We are Americans, first. We are New Mexicans, West Virginians, whateverans, second.
The answer in Iraq right now looks a lot like Robert Lee’s answer. They’re Ba’athists, or Sadr-ists, or Kurds or whatever first, Iraqis second (or third…)
I don’t know the cure for that problem.
BC
Peterr @
43
As long as there is no permanent press for more troops, let us hope that everything will eventually come out in the wash.
You know, I’ve pretty much lost my ability to get upset about Bush. It seems like everyone else is in the “anger” stage of the grieving process, and I’m at “acceptance”. I’ve come to terms with the fact that he’s done severe–possibly irreparable–harm to my birth-country. I am fully aware that he will continue to do more harm, and continue to needlessly sacrifice more of our best and brightest, over the next two years. I think I just worked all of this grief out of my system two years ago, when Bush was elected despite ample evidence that all of this was happening and would continue to happen if he stayed in office. As a country, we brought this on ourselves. By 2004, it was very clear what kind of man George W Bush was. The American people elected him, anyway, and now we all have to pay the piper for that terrible decision. Unlike George W Bush, we will have to face the consequences for our actions.
I think with considerable work in the future and a strong repudiation of what this administration has done, we may be able to recover some of the “City on the Hill” reputation, though perhaps tempered with a little more realism. (I recall one Middle Eastern politician being quoted a few years back in response to one of the Bushies’ “explain to them about freedom and stuff” initiatives, saying something like “the problem isn’t that we don’t understand your ideals, it’s that you don’t live up to them.”)
However, the myth of military supremacy is gone, and nothing is going to bring it back. It was incredibly useful as leverage for decades, and like so much else, it was squandered by ideologues who didn’t realize what it was, preferring to believe it was what they wanted it to be.
Frank Probst @ 50
Frank, I think the fallacy in your argument is that this is a grieving process. It’s not a grieving process, it’s a political process.
I accept that George W. Bush and his backers have stolen two elections. I understand that he’s damaged our nation in ways too numerous to list here.
What I won’t accept is that the madness must necessarily continue until January 21, 2009.
BC
Iraq is a mess — and the failure of planning and the failure of even coming to terms with this mess on any level within the Bush Administration, leaves us stranded in a quagmire of our own making, floundering for all the world to see, to shake their heads, and then plan how they should best move forward. Without us.
And *that*, imho, is the true tragedy of this whole fiasco.
We’ve become as irrelevant as a Hummer in a fuel-mileage contest.
Redshift @ 47
The one thing that has always distinguished FDL is its excellent writing. There’s a robust pool of highly talented writers (and thinkers) at FDL. So if typos can be fixed, all the better. Typos are known as the pooh pooh of book publishing, but they are the mechanics, as it were, of writing.
(I used to be a freelance book copyeditor a few lifetimes ago.)
Professor Foland @ 35
Funny you should mention this, because I was just about to post this link to an interview with that very former ambassador, Sir Christopher Meyer, which ran on the BBC program “The Interview” this week.
If you want to listen to the audio, you should do so this week; it doesn’t appear that the BBC archives this program reliably.
What jumped out at me was when the interviewer asked Meyer which nation has the greatest influence on US foreign policy. He didn’t hesitate for a millisecond: “Israel.”
Bargain Countertenor @ 52
I’m certainly open to suggestions, but I don’t see any good options. Investigations will obviously do a lot of good to repair the damage, but I just can’t see him being impeached and removed from office. That’s going to take a smoking gun, and the only way we’re going to get one of those is if the Republicans turn on him. That, in turn, would require the GOP to take responsibility for the fact that he’s THEIR monster. What’re the odds of that?
I really hope that one outcome to this complete cockup is that the neocons are totally repudiated.
I would that it be a very long time till I hear the name again.Much like George W has obliterated his family name.When large amounts of the evil that has been launched against the world by these people comes to light, there are going to be a lot of warmongers and liars looking for dark places to hide.
The US has, traditionally, been the nation to whom others have turned when in ugly, seemingly unsolveable situations – they could look to the US to broker, or come up with, *something*.
At this point, however, I would think that the *last* place any country-in-trouble would want to look is toward us, because it’s terribly obvious that the lunatics are at the wheel.
The only real question is – just how long might it take for the country to regain some modicum of credibility?
The presidential election of 2008 might be the most important election in history.
OfT: Chris Van Hollen appointed by Pelosi to head the DCCC. Four year Congressman representing parts of Montgomery and PG Counties (DC suburbs).
Redshift @ 50
i don’t think we can “recover” our good reputation – because to a certain extent the mask of our imperial ambition has been removed. it may be too late to put the mask back on. imo, to really earn a good reputation we will will be required to reconsider our imperial ambitions.
I like Van Hollen from what I have seen and think his background is interesting and bodes well for the most grievous problems the US has– a completely failed and dangerous foreign policy.
from wiki:
hear, hear selise @ 60!
ralphbon @ 54
thank you, i will rip an mp3 to listen to later.
Also OfT, Pelosi’s inner circle profiled.
I think we should keep reminding ourselves that George Bush did not create this disaster all by himself. The Supreme Court appointed him. Congress gave him the laws and the money he wanted. The press failed to report responsibly. The American public voted for Bush and his congress. The only reason Bush gets to call himself “the decider” is that a whole lot of other people agreed, not just to call themselves, but actually to be “the enablers.”
What is frightening is the way the warbloggers are “explaining” what needs to be done.
First off, its a question of the will to win. The Left (which at this point consists of about 75% of the country) opposes the war because they want the terrorists to win — and its all because we hate Bush.
Secondly, its the will to do what is necessary — basically, what the warbloggers are now advocating is genocidal ethnic cleansing (”clearing an area of insurgents” — which in an urban setting means house to house fighting, or carpet bombing…..)
Finally its the will to believe in the pony. Its not really as bad as what we are hearing… “fog of war” and all that. And that AP story about people being set on fire outside a mosque — it might not be entirely accurate, which means that everything we hear from Iraq is demonstrably false — and the fault of the Liberal Media.
They are all BATSHIT INSANE…. and one gets the impression that its the kind of “information” Bush is absorbing right now….
This morning the BEEB ran a couple of pieces on the Chatam House report. The early morning show had a response from toni blair’s human rights rep in baghdad. While all warm safe and snugly in the green zone she said she had seen many times how toni had influenced US policy. When asked to name a few she couldn’t because she had observed them in confidence. She did however tell the story of her friend the Iraqi exile who came home and started a successful radio staion in Iraq. The interviewer failed to ask her about the 1 million or so Iraqis who have fled the war. But in the end she was 100% certain that toni had done the right thing standing by his man.
The News Hour had a response from the Foreign Secretary margeret beckett. Her response was as condescending, dismissive aand delusional as anything coming out of paul wolfowitz or any of the US based anti-American neo-con think thanks.
If Gordon Brown doesn’t sack her the minute he moves into #10 we’ll know that the UK has traded one poodle for another.
Bustednuckles @ 56
That’ll be our job. While they’ve made a horrible mess of everything else they’ve touched, the one thing the neocons are actually good at is putting blame on other people and convincing the public that their ideology is still correct, no matter how much it has been contradicted by reality (case in point: there are millions of conservatives who sincerely believe that tax cuts cannot cause deficits, and Reagan’s tax cuts increased tax revenue.)
This time around, there’s people like us, and there’s Air America, and a few others, so it’s not the one-sided conversation we got the first time these bozos seized power, but we’ve still got our work cut out for us.
Shouldn’t that read “into the arms of OLD Europe”
Scarabus @ 63
excellent reality check. thank you.
OT– snow sez that there is no disagreement between the jcs and the preznit.
Helen keeps hammering him on occupation. calls him on labeling people who resist the occcupation as terrorists.
booyah!
Christy – Wonderful post. In addition to hubris one word comes to mind after yesterday and this mornings thread, tragedy.
I don’t know how great and powerful we really were but we as a country need to take a thorough look in the mirror. Are we great or even that powerful when we don’t know what the heck we are talking about or who and what our leaders (political and corporate) are really doing? Are we great when we no longer hold a leading edge in educating ourselves or provide basic health care for each other? Are we great when we fail to work towards alternative/ clean/ efficient energy with all due diligence? Are we great just because we say we are? I think of the fact a thirty year old Americans personal experience relys on eighteen years of Reagan and Bushists as a role model. Lie, deny, kill and steal to get what you want, all others be damned. ( a multitude of glutony and addictions should be mentioned)
We all know the list here and the questions, that need to be asked. Who the heck are we really, would sure be a significant victory for this country. If we can just get to that question from our disastrous support of an idiot President and embracing the very idea of preemptive war against a non-threatening “enemy”.
Now back to my focus on getting the troops home and hoping this is the tipping point for neonuts leaders in our Democracy.
To the Hague!
P.S. Good on England, may our remaining friends waste no time standing up and caling out this nightmare administration. We realists obviously need help.
Scarabus @
64
Yeah, and he’s behaved so humbly and honorably as to all of the above…
Jeez – so GWB had nothing to do with it – yes indeed, he’s a true champion of men.
wrt Laura and her skin cancer and witholding information from the public– tony says she is a private citizen, not an elected official and it’s no big deal.
female reporter shoots back, she is very public.
Reading all this crap day after day makes me very sad. All I want for Christmas is my country back.
Of course, being a greedy capitalist American I also expect some other nice things. :-)
. . .and we’re back
two hours of radio silence while they replaced transformers here in God’s Country – good time to drag my dirty stinkin’ hippie ass out on the highway with my sign
just got off my knees from a prayer of thanks for this -
had me a little rant about this in the threads last night (okay, every night for the last two weeks *g*)
have been asking where The Brass is and why haven’t they been busy disabusing The Chimp about any grand plans he had for invading
CambodiaSadr Citythe fact that they’ve leaked to WaPo is a very good sign that they are not prepared to wholesale sacrifice hundreds of our folk and Iraqis
praise be !
SnowJob – the notion that there is a feud between the Pres and the Joint Chiefs is just wrong…
Those pesky Joint Chiefs – they just keep on insisting on a strategic reason for sending in more troops…
Bush is just gonna have to keep on travelin’, and listenin’, until somebody, somewhere, agrees with him.
This may take a while….
And in the meantime, all of those kidnappers wearing police uniforms are obviously wearing counterfeit uniforms….and the fact that they are obviously Shiia is just an unfortunate coincidence.
Arrgghhhh….
partial transcript up now!
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..19/1433244
Being Canadian, I’m already numb to your country’s constant and annoying self-obsession with being #1. Oh poor us, you say, we have lost our precious influence and prestige because of this president and his actions.
Well, I can tell you that we’re all actually quite sick of your influence.
vancouverpat @ 77
Understandable.
When a country fights a world war on three fronts and kicks the shit out of all involved..
well, it tends to make your head swell.
okay, where in the hell did everybody go ?
o/t
Another Evangelical Preacher resigns over sexual misconduct
hat tip Ms Pam:
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/…..iaryId=224
chalk it all up to oxygen deprivation so far above sea level ?!?!
standing apologies is prev. posted
vancouverpat @ 78
And you bring that particular bitch *here*?
Annex the Yucatan Peninsua, dude, and I’ll emigrate in a heartbeat.
OT–John Dickerson at Slate has the five best political moments of 2006. He mentions Jane twice in his number 2, “Blogger Power!” Jane might want to respond.
http://www.slate.com/id/2155724/nav/tap1/
selise @ 62
thank you, i will rip an mp3 to listen to later.
Just curious: What software do you use to accomplish that?
Bustednuckles @ 78
jayt @ 80
what’s with giving vancouverpat @ 77 such grief?
imo, this is not exactly how we regain our neighbor’s respect.
Ha Ha Ha America: http://www.atomfilms.com/film/…..=filmmaker
Old Europe and England have been steadily rebuiling their economies since the end of WWII. They have been able to focus on the growth of their own social structures because they spend only a fraction of what the United States does on national defense.
Europe has grown while watching us spend ourselves into the poorhouse. Every nation since the Romans who have based their economy on the sale and builing of weapons, has failed. The United States is likely no exception.
1970cs at 86 — yes, look where it got the Soviet Union…
And can I say, I do not give a crap who Miss USA may or may not have been drinking with…and why is this news?
selise says
December 19th, 2006 at 10:28 am*
what’s with giving vancouverpat @ 77 such grief?
imo, this is not exactly how we regain our neighbor’s respect.
If I over-reacted, I apologize. On the other hand, the guy didn’t walk in the door showing much respect for us, now did he?
I’d consider emigrating to Canada, but it seems to slow brain-function, from what I can tell.
ralphbon @ 82
Just curious: What software do you use to accomplish that?
i used audio hijack pro on my ibook… used to use irecord music and radio lover – all are good.
The Russians are at least debt free, and sitting on massive reserves of gas and oil. We have Wal-mart.
Al Jazeera English News anchor (Dave Marash) on cspan 2 in a fascinating conversation with young folks.
vancouverpat– I think I understand your comment, but I really do mourn the loss of our influence to do good– that coupled with lying has caused the loss of our “prestige”. I think this profound disappointment is felt ’round the world.
This site is certainly more than capable of self-criticism and frequently engages in it– hang out and see!
Hi.
…although, I suppose points to Donald Trump for finding a way to weave some marketing synergy into the news coverage with the “he could have said “You’re Fired!” to me” bit of the announcement today. (And again, why is this news…)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 88
Because it involved The Donald, saying “I’ve decided not to fire her”?
Blergh.
So the Joint Chiefs think a surge will be counter-productive. Same with the Generals. What do THEY think will work? Forget Bush. Everyone can see that the emperor has no clothes and is unable to lead. The Joint Chiefs and the Generals need to come up with a plan that they think has a chance of “working”, whatever that means. They should hold a press conference and lay out this plan. If Bush doesn’t go along with it, at least they can say they tried.
Are there any adults around???
I’ll second this. If overly rude, my apologies.
Might want to not kick in the front door telling me how much you don’t like me though.
jayt @ 88
no, but i think at the moment we owe the world an extra bit of humility…
I read the Washington Post article about what the Joint cheifs are telling the idiot in charge, and I am not so sure they are really contradicting him.
It has become abundantly clear that language misdirection is their stock in trade at leading the pundits in one direction while going in entirely another.
The article mentions some troops for a short time … could the chiefs be supporting a large amount of troops for much longer period of time? I tend to always look for the hidden meaning.
I know there are probably not enough troops to do a big buildup, but they do not care about realities, just creating visually a new direction. If bush can declare that his military chiefs wanted a much larger force for a longer period of time, then does that not help him? Not hurt him?
I am always doubtful of unexpected presents in the guise of a leak.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 88
Actually, the cable talk shows are more bearable (even the rightist ones, which can be productive “knowing the enemy” and all that). But cable newscasts are mostly a disaster. The “happy talk” of the anchors are vapid, at best.
Las Vegas’s odds are that Bush will go with
the 40,000 surge…
We never know when to fold ‘em…
Jack
selise @ 97
okay, maybe I’m a little cranky today. My bad.
And I’m sorry if I think that this particular blog represents ‘the good guys’, and shouldn’t be the most immediate object of attack.
I’m through with the subject now.
1970cs @ 85
then this does not bode well…
my bolding for emphasis.
Frank Probst @ 50
I think I’m where you are. It’s rage fatigue. We re-elected this man. Not us here on this blog, but America. That doesn’t mean that we should lie down, of course, or not try to hold the administration accountable. We should, as much as we can. We need to focus all our resources on stopping the bleeding. Stemming the tide of destruction.
jayt @ 100
peace. let’s all have a cookie. ;-)
Great post, Christy.
Maybe Bush oughta put down the Camus (cough) and pick up a copy of Dale Carnagie?
might explain this odd chestnut -
http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2006…..s-for.html
Chimpy considering tax increases on upper income families . . .
A fresh Thread is upstairs.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..h/#respond
selise @ 104
Is there chocolate involved?
selise @
60
I strongly agree with Selise on this point. While Bush has certainly done enormous damage to the reputation of the US, we need to remember that the decline in America’s power and influence began long before the theft of the 2000 election. In 2000, most Arab Americans voted for Bush, because the Clinton administration was then widely seen as the most blatently pro Israeli and anti Arab administration in history. (They had no idea how much worse Bush would be.)
At Camp David, Clinton had basically allowed the Israelis to demand that the Palestinians accept the division of the West Bank into a set of economically unviable bantustans. Arafat had been very unwilling to come to Camp David in the first place, because he expected such an ultimatum, but Clinton had promised the Palestinians that they wouldn’t be blamed if the negotiations failed on this issue. Then after the negotiations failed to achieve a breakthrough (and even though they were still continuing elsewhere)Clinton broke his promise and publically agreed with the Israeli position that the failure of the Camp David talks was entirely the responibility of the Palestinians, who had supposedly rejected the Israeli’s ‘generous offer’.
Or consider how the Clinton administration basically ignored the economic crisis in Thailand, which was a long standing American ally. A few years earlier, they had demonstrated considerable skill in helping Mexico deal with a similar economic crisis. But Thailand was far enough away from the US that the Clinton adminstration apparently decided that they didn’t need to worry about the problem. The result was a massive financial disaster that affected almost all of South East Asia, and which was rapidolyu spreading to South Korea and the rest of the world, when the Clinton administration finally realized how serious the problem was, and got to work trying to save the situation.
Bush is far, far worse than any of his predeccessors, but the US government has been giving the rest of the world reasons to dislike the US for a lot longer than he has been in power. This has been especially true since the fall of the USSR in 1991 removed a major restraint on (and justification for) the use of US power.
selise,
So this is what it feels like to drive off the cliff.
Let us take a moment to reflect on the fact that among Dwight D. Eisenhower’s many achivements, one of his proudest was the role he played in building the post-war European alliance. This is the alliance that the Bushies sneered at, dismissed, and destroyed.
selise – Nearly a trillion per year!
jeebus h
great post, Christy. Maddening, saddening.
Bush has wrought a colossal failure – alas, in our names and on our dime.
I fear our children will inherit what will have become the world’s only super-cower.
Jane at 105 — I’m afraid it will take a lot more than Carnegie courses. SIGH Whatever leverage we may have had to influence human rights and weapons nonproliferation, among so many other things…I just feel it all seeping out through the cracks today. And I despair…not a good feeling.
There are things that can be done to remediate on this. But they will take a long, long time.
1970cs @ 109
i’d like to think that we haven’t hit the cliff yet – and using our breaks might still be helpful.
Christy @ 27
Someone at KOS quoted this:
Shall we only threaten and be angry for an hour?
When the storm is ended shall we find
How softly but how swiftly they have sidled back to power
By the favour and contrivance of their kind?
from the poem Mesopotamia, by Kipling.
Somehow, seems to echo what the NeoCons have done, and are doing.
We must face the fact that 9/11 happened because of the Bush Administration and the neo-cons, not despite them. I no longer have any doubts that a 9/11 attack, with ALL THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE, would not have happened under a Gore administration, or any administration with at least the slightest interest for the welfare and continence of the American Democracy.
This is not conspiracy, it is just damming facts. Whether MIHOP, LIHOP or just the incredible indifference to the Mideast by a cabal with so much at stake on its most precious commodity — oil, they are responsible for it happening, and for the subsequent squandering of all the positive that horrible event could have met to America, and the world.
When people really wake up to this knowledge, the course to chart for the future becomes very clear.
FYI — there is a fresh thread, just in case you were looking for one.
Biodun 82 — thanks for that link.
Would be nice if Dickerson and his editor were respectful enough to check spelling of proper names.
Kos is short for Markos.
After seeing that, I’m not going to waste my time with the rest of the article. If they can’t get something that easy to check right, what else didn’t they bother to check or get right?
Here’s a sweet EPU thought. Not just the Brits should be thinking of closer ties with the EU. The majority of middle amurkans should get over their fascination with Freedom Fries, and their hatred of all things quiche and Volvo (if not vulvas).
Taken as a whole, Western Europe is by far the most sustainable industrial economy in the world, despite local differences. There is no major governance in the world so focused upon the environment and quality of life issues. (~Like the Germans, we’ve learned from past mistakes, significantly.)
The people here suffer from the same problems as the amurkans, including the gradual loss of our media to the amurkan model of corporate spokes-propaganda. But no problem is near as significant as in amurka.
And the people here are healthier, and the food is less dangerous, and our economies are far less dependent on sellling destruction, and shock and awe are what good artists produce.
Eye miss SanFranDisco, but the loss is greatly tempered by living where global warming has been taken seriously for a decade, and the ramp-up to even further movement toward ecological sustainability, based upon a strong economic foundation, grows every day.
Vielen Dank, Christy.
jayt @
89
I admit that, as a first comment ever, I could have made my point in a more diplomatic manner, but was that personal attack really necessary?
That arrogant attitude is part of what I was referring to.
Thanks, James, for the utterly unhelpful and off-topic comment, you racist prick. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.