
Media Bistro reports that Time magazine will be laying off two dozen employees including some senior staff. Unfortunately, none of them is Joe Klein. Nope, these layoffs target the consumer marketing department. Apparently, managing editor Richard Stengel is sticking to his plan as outlined in the WaPo last May:
Stengel, 51, said that he sees Time, the top-selling newsmagazine, as "a guide through the media chaos" and that he hopes to hire and develop more "star writers" in the mold of columnist Joe Klein. As a "writer's editor," he said, "I'd like us to have a stronger point of view about things."
Ah, yes, and what greater champion of "a stronger point of view" could we have than Joe Klein, the man whose moral compass is so wonky that he gets lost in the bathtub? Well, clearly Stengel's plan is reaping the whirlwind if they're having to do a set of personnel cuts right before Christmas like this.
Funny, I was just thinking about Joe Klein today. Atrios pointed me to a Greg Sargent piece that details Joke Line's latest about-face on the Iraq War.
Sargent:
As Atrios has noted, six months ago Klein wrote this:
What can the Democrats do? They can play politics or be responsible. The political option is to embrace "cut and run"; call for an immediate withdrawal, as Kerry did; and hope the public is so sick of Bush and sick of the war that it will punish the g.o.p. in the fall. But embracing defeat is a risky political strategy, especially for a party not known for its warrior ethic. In fact, the responsible path is the Democrats' only politically plausible choice: they will have to give yet another new Iraqi government one last shot to succeed.
Right. So, in other words, six months ago to call for a withdrawal from Iraq was to "cut and run" and "embrace defeat", a course of action Joe painted as "political" and slightly less palatable than eating a litter of live kittens. To Klein's thinking at the time, the only "responsible" way to quit Iraq was to take another massive gamble on yet another makeshift Iraqi government.
Kleiny's such a mensch to carry all that heavy water for the Republicans, isn't he? With "democrats" like Joe Klein, why on earth does Tom DeLay need a blog?
Well, somewhere in the intervening six months, Klein has suffered a sea change in his views on Iraq, but buries the evidence in the closing paragraphs of his November 25th column:
JOE KLEIN "EMBRACES DEFEAT," CALLS FOR WITHDRAWAL FROM IRAQ.
At least, that's what it seems like Joe Klein has now done. Check out these passages buried in his latest column just posted on Time magazine's site:
And so we have reached the point where there is only one meaningful decision left for George W. Bush in Iraq: what to do with our troops there.... Now, finally, the uniformed brass seem poised to speak more candidly. But that doesn't make a military solution to this disaster any more plausible. "You know, we're trained to complete the mission," a senior military officer told me. "And that's our reflex reaction, to come up with a can-do plan—'Here's how you fix it, sir!' But we may lack perspective now. The situation may be reaching the point of no return." Indeed, the best advice for the military to give the President at this point may not be how to "win" in Iraq—but how to withdraw creatively...
Are you sure you want to say that, Mr. Klein? What will your bipartisan (translation: "Republican Owned and Operated") buddies on the cocktail weenie circuit say about your rush to Cut and Run and Let the Terrorists Win? Did you mention this to your BFF Joe Lieberman before he went over to Iraq with St. John of Arc to swan around the Green Zone and call for more troops?
I guess we should give credit where credit is due and celebrate Mr. Klein's arrival at the Reality Based table on the issue of Iraq, but I'm not sitting next to him. We should probably just set aside a group of chairs for Klein, Wonkette, and Andrew Sullivan. The three of them can get tanked on appletinis and talk Time shop while they congratulate themselves on being so much better and smarter than everyone else that their magazine would completely shut down without them, and then what would all of us hapless peons do without these fine, estimable opinionati to tell us what to think?
Actually, come to think of it, if those three are coming to the table, I think I'm just going to stay home and order in. I had crap for lunch, thanks.
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Funny, I’ve always thought of Klein as a fart in a whirlwind.
He is why I cancelled my scrip.
near frist!
actually, after reading that, I think I like ‘near Fitz’ much better….
T,
That table is needing many chairs. The wingnuts are eating their young to distance themselves from BushCo’s disaster.
Although Pelosi says that Impeachment is off the table, look for the Old Guard Repugs to start the purge of BushCo.
“withdraw creatively”? That’s hot! Joe Klein. Political Renaissance Man in reverse.
I don’t even want to guess what “withdraw creatively” might mean. Maybe the troops all dress in clown suits so any insurgents shooting at their backs are laughing too hard to aim straight? What the hell is Klein talking about?
since when is Liarman a military strategist?
Who cares about Klein? Really.
Does anyone believe him or any of the other clowns who were for the war before they were against it?
Is he really credible? Or is Time going to join the WaPo in a death spiral?
I think that to “Withdraw Creatively” entails a bit of interpretive dance on the battlefield, followed by a session of constructing papier-mache models of your frustration.
seriously, within the business, klein has no credibility. he’s a joke.
and if that’s the path stengel thinks time needs to take — the so-called “voices” angle — it’s not going to build the subscription base.
time and all of the newsweeklies have been outgunned. not so much by the dailies, but yes friends, by the internet. the one thing they used to bring to the table was analysis of a week’s events. now, they ar eoutgunned, outanalyzed, outvoiced by HUNDREDS of intelligent commentators on a cycle that replenishes every few hours.
the weeklies cannot hold onto their readers, and they cannot hold onto their advertisers.
type a 30 on them, they’re done.
Pelosi is starting to seriously tick me off anyway. There was a clip of her on TDS tonight blathering away indignantly about the Iraqi people. “Look we gave them freedom, and they’re just using it to kill each other.”
Lady, I got news for ya. Whatever we gave them wasn’t freedom. Unless you count freedom from jobs, safety, food, water and electricity.
No. What we gave them looks more like one of the middle circles of Hell.
I keep reading about this Time magazine. I can’t quite place it. I seem to recall that my dad used to have a subscription back in the 1950’s and that the main theme was the genious of John Foster Dulles and that Clair Booth Luce saved Italy from the Red Menace.
But that was back in the 50’s. I’m stunned to learn that Time continues to be…what do they call it…published?
Joe Klein. What schools do these guys come out of? My Siamese cat can write better.
Perhaps Joe-Bama won’t be far behind in calling for a creative withdrawal?
Maybe he will cloak his change of mind with his trademarked moral unctuousness?
But then he will vote for $100 billion more for a failed war… not cheap!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
Oooh!! Do you have photos of this literary lion of a cat?
TRex @ 16
It’s a Siamese. It writes under a psuedonym while hiding under the bed, and God help your ass if you try to get it to come out, let alone take a picture.
My two Siamese have flat refused to learn to operate a computer, so not only do they never answer my emails, they’re useless when it comes to writing a blog post.
Ungrateful bitchez.
TRex @ 16
Gazillions.
TRex @
10
{funny}
Reese Witherspoon on getting divorced:
I hope she doesn’t mean that like Britney apparently meant it.
Can we see?
Joe Klein, “star writer.” Brought to you by the same mucky-mucks who designated me as 2006 Person of the Year and sent me a shiny mirror on the cover of the latest issue so that I could preen at myself.
But I was having a bad hair day. So I made three resolutions for 2007: Cancel subscriptions to Time, Newsweek, and the unutterably awful San Diego Union-Tribune.
Thereby getting the New Year off to a good start.
Joe Klein, and people like him, with their black-and-white view of everything, their exaggerated slogans, “cut and run”, “embrace defeat”, leave themselves no wiggle room at all.
I don’t expect Bush or any of the war-lovers to embrace defeat. But I sure would feel a lot better if they could at least recognize it. They’ve been staring right in defeat’s face for a way long time now. It would be good if they could acknowledge what they’re looking at instead of acting like somebody at a class reunion who can’t recognize the people he went to school with.
TRex @
21
You leave our little Reese alone, you!
Hi Trex!
(I used to embrace de feet, but right now I’m too fat to bend over)
sue d @ 12:
am thinking that pelosi merely wants to get to january without whipping up a huge distraction — then she wants to nail down a few solid democratic accomplishments, like minimum wage, say, and (not so small) fixing medicare prescription plan.
meanwhile, waxman et al. will be riding herd on a few well chosen investigations. a few months of those, and depending on the evidence, traction — public support — might build for impeachment. i think this is one of those times when unfortunately it actually makes sense to wait.
the bigger concern? that bush pushes into iran or some other idiocy. but if you want to see a firestorm of public outcry lit, that would do it.
Two things:
If I were Stengel, I’d be wondering why I’d assembled a pundit team that resembles the ‘62 Mets.
Second, I’d never heard the word “swan” used as a verb until tonight. I’m teh stoopid.
um, anybody got reece’s phone number? i’d love to take her to a patti smith show on new year’s eve.
Nice post and catch TRex.
So Bush needs the generals to take a spin withdrawl seminar from Karl. Say were leavin’, look like were leavin’ but really, were gonna increase the troops or at least keep 70k troops and 100k militia there forever. heh heh…
How much do the neonuts (or for all we know the taxpayers) pay Time to keep jokeline in print?
Say, do you suppose we could collect those Time covers with the mirrors on them and use them to flash distress signals?
Hey Pach and Trex and all!
I’m really enjoying the erudite Trex mode … good stuff!
and swanning about it a great verb-iage too rarely used!
I think Joe Klein is like Ecclesiastes.
To Cut and Run? Turn, turn…
To Stay the Course? Turn, turn…
To Clutch My Pearls? Turn, turn, turn…
To every opinion, there’s a season under heaven…
TRex @ 22
I shall have to consult with her highness. But I think it’s possible. She is rather an exhibitionist. She knows what she has, and quite frankly, is not immune to flaunting it.
I love TRex!
Hey, Patrick!!
*waves*
ETPhoneHome @ 35
Aw, I love you, too!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I have wondered from time to time if I may be part Siamese cat.
*part*?
honey you are purebred!
And.. check your email right now TRex…!
Siun @ 32
These days I worship Erudite. The goddess of scholarly love.
Pachacutec @ 28
A Brit-ism, Pach. As in, “Joe Klein, glowing from Stengel’s praise, swanned into the room.”
Because my books are mostly set in England, I’ve used the expression a few times. Mostly because I like it, effete snob that I am.
ETPhoneHome @ 40
Checking…must be a backup in the Toobz.
CatelynK @ 42
I’ve seen it used by American writers, I swear!
hmmmm…. do we need an altar to Erudite?
and CatelynK - what do you write?
My Christmas Card …..
More Left Wing propaganda :
http://img205.imageshack.us/ img2…desktop7lt2.gif
TRex @ 44
only erudite american writers!
I swan I never heard that before.
TRex @ 41
Speaking of scholarly love, here’s a little item from the “Well, duh!” department:
Most Americans have had premarital sex
Read to the end for a hilarious dismissal from Janet Crouse of Concerned Women for America. Apparently she doesn’t want to face the fact of her own unpopularity.
didn’t Stengel recently hire Kristol as a columnist? Or was that a nightmare?
From Webster’s:
Hey TRex, your Christmas present should arrive either tomorrow or the next day at work.
Merry Christmas!
Smooches.
Sorry for the bum link :
http://img205.imageshack.us/im.....op7lt2.gif
COLORADO BOB @ 53
Oh, gosh. Great work, but poor birdie! Makes me want to run in there with a bottle of Dawn liquid.
EvilDrPuma @ 49
“Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,” she said. “The numbers are too pat.”
Ahem.
Siun @ 45
Historical (Jane Austen era) romantic adventures. Sixteen to date, but I’m changing course and following my other true love, fantasy romantic adventure.
Not sure we need an altar to Erudite, but I’d like to smash Bush’s altar to Stupidite.
EvilDoc - my son sent me two links today - one Dan Savage on Colbert and the other Dan Savage and Anderson Cooper take on Janice Crouse … who my son calls “the ultra-bitch”
here are the links for your amusement:
Dan Savage on Colbert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3W_O6BxA2E
Savage and Anderson Cooper hand Crouse her self-righteous ass on a plate:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L4DWILX-Xp4
Joe Klein is just tellin’ the Dems that he is now “available” for their cocktail weenie circuit.
“Where ya’ll been? I’ve been so lonesome. The other side’s weenies are so…small…and ahem…tasteless. Not like you, big boys!” says Joe “Cluck” Klein.
Luuuuvvvvv, ain’t it grand!
Catelyn - neat!
I’m mostly a science fiction reader but at times lunge into historical fiction.
And I saw a very cool (no one laugh) project recently from Harlequin at a business conference on corporate responsibility (my field) … Harlequin has a contest every year and their readers submit the names of women they know who do great things for their communities - then 5 Harlequin authors write short romance stories framed around the community work/charities/etc of the five women selected - and they publish an anthology. The sales profits go to the charities - it was just such a nicely done project with everyone involved and encouraging women, esp women who normally get no recognition, in good work.
ok gang … it’s off to sleep for me!
g’nite all!
Heading home, kids. Will check in from there.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bull.....s/436.html
“I swan” means “I swear,” in the US usage.
our magazine is losing readers, we need to hire sensational writers.
(not good ones, just ones that know sensation when they invent it)
here I was, hanging out on the previous thread, wondering where the hell everyone was … Does anyone really know what Time it is? Does anyone really care?
Its Klein Time.
about Time? no, i can’t imagine why.
For TRex…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/.....-ap150.jpg
It’s past Time.
The conscious mindlessness of conservatives
EvilDrPuma @ 49
This would be amusing were it not so sad: how much has the Bush administration spent on abstinence-only programs? And how well do they actually work? And, more importantly, does it apply to the twins??
AirportCat @ 70
Does it count if I abstain from the twins?
What was he doing with his compass in the bathtub, anyway? When I find an image like that funny, I know it’s time for bed. Good night, all. Good post, T-Rex.
AirportCat @ 70
“Don’t cop a feel, Argentina…”
**waves to AirportCat on the way out**
Slothrop @
13
My parents refused to have it in the house. Too…Republican, doncha know.
Lindy @ 72
Well, something was pointing North.
neokneme @ 75
Let’s do the Time Warp again!
Lindy @ 74
** waves back, also heading for the exit **
Evening, firepups and firecats.
Does anybody know what time it is?
Does anybody care (about time)?
EvilDrPuma @ 78
Ask me for anything but time.
Patrick 4/4!!!! xxoo Sorry for the drive by.
Great post TRex. FDL made jokeline famous/ infamous. Sorry, gotta get back to my exam key.
EvilDrPuma @
73
damn. wine in the keyboard.
Hey, VG!
And you know Time won’t give me time,
And Time makes lovers feel
Like they’ve got something real,
But you and me we know they got nothing but Time…
Valley Girl @ 82
Heya!
I’ve never counted it up, but thinking back over the couples that I have married, that 95% figure for pre-marital sex fits - in fact, it may be low.
TRex @ 84
Joe Klein and Boy (King) George. Works for me.
[[Imagine some interesting, witty comment here.]]
I think I need to go to bed. I can’t even think of anything to say. Life is eating my brain. :p
Peterr @ 86
I think they’re summing up the data incorrectly.
What they meant was for each person, 95% of the sex was pre-marital.
DreamingCrow @ 88
JokeLine has that effect on people, I’m afraid.
Patrick 4/4 @ 89
That explains the Janet Crouse’s reaction. The time she did it, she was already married.
Patrick 4/4 @ 89
Or the various permutations of “it doesn’t count if . . .”
Peterr @ 92
What happens in Vegas…
…is a lot more expensive than you thought it was going to be.
Joe Klein, clown of Time,
my how his columns blow,
with rants that pull, and cock and bull,
and inanities all in a row.
EvilDrPuma @ 7
He probably meant moonwalking — look like we’re advancing, while sneakily withdrawing. Unfortunately, but the time Bushie got through with it, he thought it was better to make it look like he might take advice to withdraw the troops, and then mysteriously end up with 30,000 more…
Janet Crouse obviously doesn’t get out much, and her friends that do obviously don’t tell her about it.
Next week’s story: “Researchers confirm that 100% of all Americans breathe on a regular basis. ‘Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,’ said Janet Crouse of Concerned Women of America. ‘The numbers are too pat.’”
yet another drive by . . .
T REX !!!
usually catch the hot Late Nite action early in the am, always good stuff, but wanted to make a quick stop this evening, stand up and yell Bravo ! for last night’s post - jeebus child - spotlighted the stuffin out of it all morning
oh, and Joe Klein is velveeta and miracle whip on wonder bread
Glorfindel @ 94
Very nice, very nice!!
clapclapclapclapclapclap
Peterr @ 96
Janet is going to hold her breath until America turns blue.
They tell me I shouldn’t have pre-marital sex, BUT THEN THEY TELL ME I CAN’T GET MARRIED!!
Bitchez.
Oh, say it’s true!
;) Tanks. Honored.
Redshift @ 95
Or it means the strategic deployment of lots of bright shiny objects to distract the resident insurgents. “Oooohhh - lookit that . . . what’s that shiny thing over there?” Meanwhile, tens of thousands of troops tiptoe to the border.
Hey, if they could get Bush into the White House twice, maybe they can get the troops out of Iraq once.
Patrick 4/4 @ 99
Here’s a blast from the past:
“If I can’t keep Mr. Stevenson, I’m gonna hold my breath until I turn gay!”
–Kids in the Hall
TRex @ 101
Would I lie to you?
Patrick 4/4 @ 105
That was supposed to be a link, but it won’t play nice.
http://video.google.com/videop.....8221;would i lie to you”
TRex! oooxxx drive by. back to exam key. So sorry I haven’t had time to appreciate fully your JoeKline. still having to deal with alpha-gamma coactivation, and decerebrate prepartions. Being a science wonk, you know all about that, of course. Or, if you don’t, you don’t want to.
TRex @ 100
I had a gay friend who got into a conversation with a bishop about “practicing gays” not being able to be ordained. Said my friend, “No sex if you are gay and want to be ordained? What does that mean? Can I gaze longingly into my partner’s eyes? Can we whisper sweet nothings to each other? Can he brush his hand through my hair? Can we hold hands? Can I give him a massage? Can we kiss? Can we . . .”
That’s about when the bishop stopped him. Too bad. I wanted to see the look on the bishop’s face when things got a little more . . . how to put this? . . . delicate. Even so, he was more than a little uncomfortable by the whole exchange.
Bitchez indeed.
Of course, if you’re NEVER going to get married, then it’s not pre-marital. “Pre-” implies that someday you will be married.
Sounds like a loophole, TRex . . . have fun.
*dancing around the living room*
MY FRIENDS! KNOW WHAT’S IN STORE!
I WON’T BE HERE, ANYMORE!
Etc., etc.
TRex @ 109
I bought my wife a dress like that once.
“Oh honey….”