The news from Iraq today is focused as usual on increasing violence, with a new Pentagon report revealing that attacks in Iraq are now at record levels. The New York Times coverage is here. Meanwhile, the President can’t seem to get agreement from his Pentagon Chiefs to the neocon’s troop surge proposal. So much for “I’ll do whatever our Generals want.” (For a selection of Iraq-related news/analysis check out Steve Gilliard , Think Progress, Swopa and digby.)
The next NYT front page story describes how Iraq insurgents are starving Baghdad of electricity by repeatedly blowing up the transmission lines — actually, blowing up the 150 ft tall towers that hold the lines, which then shorts out that whole link. The insurgents target those high voltage lines that carry lots of power into the city from areas outside the city where most of the generating capacity is located. No matter how much security the US and Iraqi forces provide, and how fast repair crews replace/repair the towers, the insurgents manage to keep bringing them down faster than they can be repaired and put back up.
BAGHDAD, Dec. 18 — Over the past six months, Baghdad has been all but isolated electrically, Iraqi officials say, as insurgents have effectively won their battle to bring down critical high-voltage lines and cut off the capital from the major power plants to the north, south and west.
The battle has been waged in the remotest parts of the open desert, where the great towers that support thousands of miles of exposed lines are frequently felled with explosive charges in increasingly determined and sophisticated attacks, generally at night. Crews that arrive to repair the damage are often attacked and sometimes killed, ensuring that the government falls further and further behind as it attempts to repair the lines.
The result, of course, is that the residents of Baghdad and surrounding communities are without electricity for most hours of the day, and they're never quite sure when electricity will be restored or for how long. The effects are devastating:
What amounts to an electrical siege of Baghdad is reflected in constant power failures and disastrously poor service in the capital, with severe consequences for security, governance, health care and the mood of an already weary and angry populace.
“Now Baghdad is almost isolated,” Karim Wahid, the Iraqi electricity minister, said in an interview last week. “We almost don’t have any power coming from outside.”
That leaves Baghdad increasingly dependent on a few aging power plants within or near the city’s borders.
Mr. Wahid views the situation as dire, while Western officials in Baghdad are generally more optimistic.
Where have we heard that dichotomy before? The whole article is worth a read; kudos to David Cloud and Michael Gordon for a generally accurate description of an electrial system and its vulnerability.
The laws of physics are the same everywhere, so the Iraq grid system must operate more or less like those in US. Just as in Iraq, our major cities originally relied on smaller plants near downtown. Those plants, built decades ago, are now aging relics, less reliable, more costly to run and often more polluting. As the cities grew, the increasing demand was met by newer, larger plants located away from the cities, often in remote locations near coal fields or fuel lines or where it seemed "safe" to put a nuclear plant (and near water, because they need lots of water for cooling). That means we all rely, every day, on a system of long-distance, high voltage transmission lines that carry power from the remote power plants to the population centers. The Times story is describing a similar pattern in Iraq.
After 9/11, there was a lot of concern here about potential attacks on nuclear plants, because of the contamination hazard in the event the containment structure was breached, but the major vulnerability is the thousands of miles of unwatched transmission lines. You simply can't guard them all, not here, not in Iraq. Of course, major lines suffer outages on occasion, but we usually don't know about that because utilities and regional control centers plan for this, so that power flows are automatically and instantaneously rerouted along different lines, and your lights stay on. That protective structure appears to be missing or destoyed in Iraq.
Most of the electricity outages that we experience in the US are caused by local distribution failures (like an aging transformer blowing up in your neighborhood), not outages in major transmission lines, and virtually never because there are not enough generating plants (the issue politicians focus on). In the US we typically build (and your rates pay for) about 15-25 percent extra "reserve" capacity above peak demand, just so we always have enough, even when plants go down for maintenance, refueling (nukes) or breakdowns. In Iraq, you’ve got all those “normal” failures, plus few of the backup mechanisms, plus a mess of ad hoc neighborhood fixes that are not integrated with the rest of the grid — which means even when the main grid goes back up, there’s a problem in manually switching from the makeshift equipment back to the main grid, even if there is no violence.
Think about what the Iraqis are going through, and now come home to America. Ask yourself, if someone equally determined wanted to take out the US electrical grid, could they do it? And if that started to happen, would government officials know what to do? When the major blackout occurred in the Eastern US in August 2003, the entire media and many state and local officials did not even know whom to call. Many did not realize that their local utility no longer controls the system; in more than half the country, multi-state regional control centers operate the grid, because the US grid is so interconnected that reliability requires extensive regional coordination every second (electricity moves near the speed of light). In fact, the entire Eastern half of the US and Canada functions as one huge, interconnected electrical machine. That’s why uncontrolled blackouts can cascade so quickly over so large an area. There's a Western Interconnection as well, and then there's Texas, still only weakly connected to America.
Fortunately, the good people who operate the system generally know what to do under most emergency conditions, but not under conditions like those in Iraq. And at the federal level, oversight and regulation are not reassuring. Let's see, is Michael "Katrina" Chertoff still in charge of Homeland Security? And guess who chairs the Senate oversight committee on Homeland Security? Meanwhile, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which oversees US grid operational and reliability rules, continues to issue orders and rules that ignore the laws of physics (what is it about science with these guys?) and don't accurately describe how the electricity grid actually operates.
But not to worry, I'm sure the Bush Administration is doing everything it can to reduce the level of anti-US sentiment and thus reduce the chances of attacks on the US grid. If not, I think we need something better than just tapping my cell phone and reading my e-mails.
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FITZ!
Scarecrow!
Another electrifying comment.
Keep ‘em coming.
zap!
Juss think, if we had sum national guard troops here in the States, they could be guardin’ things.
I guess the Terrists didn’t get The Memo. Recall, they were plottin’ and lurkin’ and fomentin’ violence simply to impact the 2006 U.S. elections, to favor the Defeat-O-Crats.
_
Osama Bin Fomentin’
This sounds like Frank Herbert, writing many years ago about the Fremen on Arrakis in Dune:
I wonder if RGJoe brought back any grid-protection lessons from his recent matching-bomber-jacket tour of Iraq with Old Lord McCain. Not holding my breath, that’s for sure.
… oh, and:
Troops
Home
NOW
“Our” grid being the same one used by Enron to fuck us over with.
Excellent post.
Being in the NW, We see a lot of hand wringing over electricity.We make more than we need from hydroelectric dams.It is reaonably cheap for us here, which is exactly why Clusterfuck tried real hard to get his fingers in that pie.
INSTANT smackdown was laid on his sorry ass for that one.
scarecrow– great post.
I just want to float something I posed earlier today– how do we know it’s the “insurgents” that are doing this?
Who benefits from this?
I just don’t know…
Afternoon everyone. There are not enough National Guard or reserves to watch all the high voltage transmission towers in the US, let alone the poles and wires and substations on the distribution system.
Fortunately, the good people who operate the system generally know what to do under most emergency conditions, but not under conditions like those in Iraq. And at the federal level, oversight and regulation are not reassuring. Let’s see, is Michael “Katrina” Chertoff still in charge of Homeland Security.
Not to worry. That’s why we’re fighten ‘em over there so as we don’t have to fight ‘em here. You’re obviously missing the big strategy. As long as we’re tearing the shit out of Iraq, no one would *ever* think of messing with us here… It’s fool-proof, right?
Is there any way that more time could be allowed between posts?
EPU’d – do we know whether, at the time that Fitz took Cheney’s testimony, Fitz had in his possession Cheney’s annotated copy of Wilson’s op-ed? Or did that pop up into evidence later?
OfT but Breaking 4:18pm (WaPo’s Peter Baker)
W wants bigger army, more marines.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 12
I sympathize. When the Libby trial news broke, Christy made a special effort to insert an extra post on that topic, and we moved this one back a half hour. She may still be hanging around below to answer your questions, but it’s been a long day for her. And there will be lots more on that topic coming.
gotta wonder why we aren’t selling them personal generators
oh yea…no friggin gas…forgot that one
I have it;
we can sell them natural gas generators and then sell them some friggin natural gas from america
that would work fine for haliburton I think
Oh, scarecrow . . .
Don’t get the folks out here in California going about FERC. We’re still paying off the gougers for the price manipulations they (a) allowed to go on at the time and (b) refused to remedy after the fact.
Must. Count. To. Ten.
scarecrow @
10
Oh my goodness, are your phones going to be tapped!
TeddySanFran @ 13
NOT for this preznit to misuse; let him try a draft and let his thugs decide how to vote on that one…
btw– speaking of gas, my local gas station prices went up 12 cents today!
little known fact
I keep going back to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..y_of_needs
How can anyone expect a population to be thinking about what is written into the constitution or how to form a government that works when they still are trying to get basic services of food, water and power?
angie,
Now that you mention it, we don’t know it’s being done by insurgents. I worry that I go too far afield when I try to imagine who else might be roiling the waters over there, so I won’t start….
scarecrow @ 10
Scarecrow,
Best explanation of that situation, evah!
Imagine how difficult watching the Mexican border is, then consider just how many miles of powerline in the US. Impossible!
angie – I couldn’t agree with your suspicion more. Who benefits indeed.
angie @
9
angie – what thoughts does markfromireland have about this subject?
perris @ 15
Actually, that’s pretty close to what’s happening. There are lots of diesel generators being installed in neighborhoods, and in secure neighborhoods, local distribution companies can connect people. The article mentions that briefly, and there was a more detailed story on the local distribution guys a while back. The trick, beyond security, is integrating the small systems with the larger grid, which may pop on and off at any moment. It’s a coordination nightmare.
The point is an excellent one. We think of the major points of attack: towering buildings, maybe ports via container ships, maybe a dirty bomb or a bio spray attack. But looking at electricity, natural gas, freeway overpasses, water supplies (care to think about the vulnerability of the California aqueduct?) and other infrastructure targets, well it’s just a rather large cookie to bite into with your basic Homeland Security budget.
Sitting ducks.
wow, another great post…. that reminds me of something i was going to ask you about (since you are the specialist) and then forgot until now… in gore’s september policy address on the global climate crisis, he talked a bit about changing our energy distribution infrastructure towards a more distributed system.
my question… does what he says make any sense? i’m not in a position to judge this… could be stupid or great for all i know. what do you think? i trust your judgement on this one…
my apologies for the long quote.
Not only the grid and the nuke plants but right now FERC is in the process of approving (mostly uneeded) LNG (Liquid NAtural Gas) platforms neear out big coastal cities.
Holy Joe supports putting a really big on in th elOng Island Sound.
If it gets blown up NYC, Long Island, most of southern Conn and Road Island will ikely be vaporized.
Oh, best of all, Long Island and the other areas surrounding the Sound don’t actually need any additioanl Natural Gas, we already have excess capaicity. this is to send to (maryland was it?)
The Suffolk County, LI legislature is up in arms over this issue.
perris @
15
http://www.halliburton.com/ps/
Meanwhile, I will try to find an online version of Halliburton’s most current financial statements and/or annual report.
Peterr @ 16
Yeah, that’s a fascinating story about badly designed markets, foolish regulation, unscrupulous actors and bad weather/luck — i.e., the prolonged drought that severely reduced the power available from hydroelectric plants in California and Northwest. It was a perfect storm, and everyone behaved badly — including both FERC and State officials. I’ve done seminars on that mess.
Just look to what has happened since the NW storm swept through OR/WA with 100 mph winds…. there are residents who have been without power x 5 plus days (one is my son and family). Currently finding a gas station with power that has gas is a major trick!
Stores have been stripped clean of necessities and reports of gouging gas prices at $25/gal!
The BushCo idea of security has been blow bucks on silly pet projects (border fence) and leave the real venerable areas with their naked butt hanging out there exposed!
katymine @ 28
Just ask us folks in NOLA.
If anyone sees Katymine
I left a note at the bottom of the last thread
Thanks.
Oh,
Katymine you are here.
Left you a note downstairs
Stephen– I don’t know what MFI thinks about this particular issue.
I just cannot imagine that the people resisting the occupation are the most likely suspects– their families are the ones suffering.
We have never restored Iraq’s energy, water and basic services (to even pre-war, crippling sanction era standards) since shock and awe– much of it the result of same.
I think it could very well be psyops by the west.
(jmo)
looseheadprop @ 30
Hey… that was so much fun too!
scarecrow @ 10
It took me a while to find a decent arial photo of Bonneville Dam.(40 miles East of Portland OR.)
Take a good look at the surrounding country side to find out why it would be impossible to watch out over the grid. Remember, it transmits power all the way to California.
http://www.pbase.com/rtwo/image/67771502
scarecrow @ 27
That would be “facinating” in a poverty-inducing, budget-busting, criminally-negligent, cravenly-turfguarding, head-in-the-sand kind of way.
Oh yeah, lots of mess to go around on that one – and I’m guessing the parallels to Iraq aren’t much different. At the time, CA had only one major N-S transmission line, that could only carry so much power. IIRC, at least one day of the rolling blackouts came about because of fires that took out (or threatened) one of these back-country transmission towers.
One tower.
Angie — I don’t know whether “insurgents” is the right term/group. I’m not making a judgment on that. The point was to describe the vulnerability. There have been periodic reports of small, mostly unsuccessful attacks on transmission towers in the US, mostly out West.
Libby Affair, less than 30 days
The WAPO weighs in on Cheney (do I or don’t I)
http://blog.washingtonpost.com……html#more
Jack
MsAnnaNOLA @ 29
I still cannot talk about NOLA with my boyfriend who worked for ESPN on the first Monday Night Football game in the dome. It is hard to a see a 6ft 4in big guy cry….. it was his first time in NOLA …. hated to even talk to him because every night it was break my heart and sooo sad. He felt guilty staying in the moldy old Westin on the 12th floor while he could see mile after mile of broken and destroyed homes, mountains of garbage and upturned cars 13 months after Katrina.
scarecrow @ 36
I certainly am not questioning you, rather the reports given to the media and perhaps stimulate some discussion.
I do grow weary of the labels bandied about by the admin and media– “insurgents”, “radicals”, “terrorists”, “dead-enders” when (as Helen Thomas points out nearly daily now) most of the people fighting us are the Iraqis who want us gone and the occupation to end.
Neighborhoods need to get together and stock pile supplies. It needs to go up the chain to the state level. Lord knows the feds don’t give a shit. They are busy drowning our government is a bathtub.
from last night:
neurophius @
123
Pentagon officials now confirming that they’re sending more warships into the Persian Gulf to fuck withn Iran…
McCaffrey says: no more troops – supply the Iraqi’s – and give the US Army $61Billion to fix the army…
We’re going to break the National Guard..
The other guy’s (similarly) an undeniable dick – if thre’s a surge – it must come from the National Guard -
(ed comment redacted)
(Hardballs)
Remember when NATO was stopping Serbia in 1999? One of the “neat tricks” used was to drop graphite bombs on the power stations and cause them to short out. I guess it beats firebombing a city like we did with Dresden in WWII.
Welcome to 21st Century Warfare. Actually, it’s been a standard guerilla tactic for centuries to undermine civilian infrastructure as a way to destabilize governments. No amount of air power or tanks or automatic anti-mortar firing or any other technological advantage we have can prevent the electrical grid from being disrupted.
punaise @ 41
Hey, punaise. Back from your walk?
Angie — I agree. The labels matter.
Mary McCurnin @ 40
Mary — did you ever see “Connections,” a PBS series many years ago? In one episode, the creator hypothesized a sudden end to electricity, and then walked through all of the consequences for a modern civilization. It was frightening, and the bottom line was, most of us would really have to struggle to fend for ourselves, even for the basic necessities.
OT
Has anyone heard from Riverbend lately. Her last blog entry was on November 5th.
Mary McCurnin @ 46
no, I check daily– nothing.
;(
Lets take Phoenix as an example, the 5th or 7th largest city in the US (cant remember) and it was two summers ago, due to poor maintanence, one of the substations caught on fire and blew up. The whole power grid was in trouble AND it was summer.
What a summer, hit 100 in early May and had days over 110 or more everyday. It took months to get and truck a new transformer. It was Big news to watch that truck’s trip through California and all the problems due to its size.
Was APS held accountable? No, of course not, not only that, they received a rate hike. It is why I do not believe that the things that are necessity for life should be in the hands of private companies.
Water, power, sewer and garbage should be managed by your local government which is non-profit and responsive to the citizens. I am a stong believer in co-ops too. Belonged to a Telephone Co-op in Oregon for 18 years. Great little phone company, I was a voting member, had a say on where the company was going. It was one of the first to put in fiber-optic cable underground in the mid 90’s because the company and the citizens could see into the future and NOT be worried about shareholders and dividends.
scarecrow – no I didn’t. Scary. Seems we would be in deep, deep stuff with no juice. I hope we can get to wind and solar soon.
Patrick 4/4 @ 44
yo, P4/4, several times round the proverbial block. I think she was refering to the following night’s thread.
punaise @ 50
Ah.
This excerpt from Note 11 of the notes appended to Halliburton’s financial statements for the year ended December 31, 2005 may prove informative (I have not, of course, read the statements or related footnotes all the way through, but did manage to find this after I downloaded the PDF file containing information I was looking for):
The financial statement footnote excerpt appearing above tells me what I had been suspecting for some time: Halliburton’s revenues, albeit significant in relation to Halliburton’s total annual revenues of about 20 billion dollars (which pale in comparison to Exxon’s annual revenues of over 385 billion dollars), are small in comparison to the amount expended to date on the war in Iraq since its inception. So where is the money going?
katymine @ 33
What was fun? The waving to Ted?
The warmongers are gonna try to push Iran around now. Maybe Bush can get his Gulf of Tonkin incident too and suck Iran into his vortex of endless death, misery and lies.
America will regret the day that we mix it up with Teheran.
-GSD
scarecrow @ 45
That was a GREAT series.
_
punaise @ 50
So is this the current thread?
looseheadprop @ 53
Sorry, thought it was about the troll kicking and not your comment.
I agree with you completely, just surprised … And HI Ted! ;)
GSD @ 54
Agreed. I worry that this may be his ploy to try to force the nation to nominally get behind him.
_
OT: more Libby-Cheney news.
I had not heard for certain before that Libby would testify in his own defense. I presume that Libby will also be lamenting his poor memory and overworked condition prior to having given his grand jury testimony.
Anyone else get this news? Buh bye Rahm.
Chris Van Hollen
New DCCC Chairman
Chris Van Hollen
I am pleased to announce that Congressman Chris Van Hollen of Maryland will be taking over as Chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee for the 2008 election cycle. Chris came to Congress in 2002 by upsetting one of the most entrenched House Republicans in one of the most Republican election years in memory, defeating Connie Morella in the Washington, D.C. suburbs.
(snip)
Sincerely,
Representative Rahm Emanuel
Illinois’ Fifth Congressional District
‘Connections’ was awesome, you never knew where he would wind up, talking about things would send him far and wide.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 56
yeah, sorry for the OT distraction
Breaking news from MSNBC: Washington Post: President Bush plans to expand the size of U.S. military
How will this plan be accomplished?
Patrick 4/4 @ 51
Still baffled.
punaise @ 62
There’s no need for you to apologize; I couldn’t resist the play on words.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 63
Anyone feel a draft?
Patrick 4/4 @ 64
(meet me back in the most recent Late Nite)
GSD @ 54
The idea that we will go screw with Iran at this point just takes my breath away. We are sooooo f**ked at the moment, the military’s breaking, the president can’t decide, the Pentagon is apparently speaking against the WH, and so we will take the only underused branch, the Navy (always spoiling to get involved) and go mess with Iran. For what? What possible positive result could any violence on Iran bring us or anyone else?
This is desperation time for the small band of true believers hunkered down in the bunker. They’re looking around and someone notices all these ships of war. “Oooh! If we start a little conflict against the Forces Of Evil we could punish those people for their Godless ways and our people will see the Truth and return to our side!” (And as a bonus, if we get involved in a rightous war against the Godless Iranians, we could fire up an emergency draft, pospone elections, and lock down our civil rights. My, isn’t that a shiny object!)
John Robb at Global Guerrillas has some excellent analyses of systems disruption.
Highly connected and rigidly networked systems are also higly vulnerable. The converse is why it’s so difficult to fight against loosely connected and intermittently networked guerrillas.
katymine @ 38
Front page story in the Times Picayune today is about a family in the ninth ward that just received a FEMA trailer. 15 months to get a lousy FEMA trailer so you can even begin to start rebuilding you life.
I wasn’t worried in the early aftermath. I figured the govt would get people trailers and they would be able to rebuild. Ha!
We are having a brain drain. The best and brightest are leaving in droves. Many cannot cope with what is going on.
Oh y’all say a little prayer for my Mom who is having a Double Mastectomy today.
punaise @ 67
Will do.
Um? Huh?
Reuters on preznit’s plan to increase troop levels:—
‘..in response not just to the war in Iraq, but to the broader struggle against Islamic extremists around the globe.’
‘”It is an accurate reflection that this ideological war we’re in is going to last for a while and that we’re going to need a military that’s capable of being able to sustain our efforts and to help us achieve peace,” he said.’
Um.. ideological war? He’s going to fight what he calls an ideological war, in Iraq, with more troops? Does this didiot make ANY sense here? At all? To anybody?
Well, I guess.. on other fronts, I noticed that Fox has ramped out the fear-fearmongering of late, reporting expensively on assorted unsubstantiated homeland sec terror alerts that no other network even bothered to pick up… talcum powder’s been found around the country, apparently…
healing thoughts to your Mom, MsAnnaNOLA– I hope that things turn out very well for all of you.
Thread Theorist @ 59
I thinks that is the first time it has been confirmed that Scoots will testify
MsAnnaNOLA @ 70
Oh, not a little prayer. A rather large one is due, I think, for both of you.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 63
Total takeover of the National Guard and scraping everyone out of the Reserves. Basically this will eliminate any pretext of readiness for anything else. The military as a fighting force will be badly broken by the time Bush leaves office, and his “surge” is a desperate gambit to keep the status quo going in Iraq until he leaves, so he can imagine he’s not a failure by avoiding withdrawing. Insecure, incompetent princes as leaders never go well for the population.
I don’t understand why governors haven’t taken steps to remove their respective National Guards from federal control. The Guard is needed for disaster relief at home, and under the Bush government disasters have become more likely.
my best to you and your mom.
Sen. Clinton on Hardball equivocating on whether she would support more troops to Iraq
Do you see how Bush will frame his speech…
Take his Iraq speech and change it by one letter. That bastard is up to no good…
Jack
MsAnnaNola@70 – best wishes to your mom and your whole family. Your in my thoughts.
Blub @ 73
Well, he declared war on an ideology, so I guess he figures that more boots on the ground will work. He’s so far around the bend at this point (hi, NSA guy!) that he can’t find a way back: the birds have eaten the cookie crumbs he left as a trail.
I wonder if Jenna and not-Jenna would be eligible for a military draft.
katymine @
67
Or countervailing blowback?
angie @ 74
I second that.
MsAnnaNOLA @ 70
Hope your mom does well. I can’t imagine having to deal with life in New Orleans and handle your mother’s illness. My prayers are with you.
MsAnnaNOLA says @70
{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} for you and your Mom…..
I know you have other things on your mind but back in my hospital nursing days… I took care of a lady who refused to have the reconstruction surgery following double Mastectomy surgery, she said…. “I have always hated wearing one, now I do not have to wear a bra every again and I can buy those men T-shirts now and they fit.”
Sorry for the OT, but this nugget was in the WaPo story Thread Theorist linked to at 60
That’s new
Patrick 4/4 @ 70
That observation has a counterpart in the electricity sector, with some grid engineers arguing that we should create sub-regional grids interconnect primarily by more easily controlled DC lines — to avoid catastropic outages that can impact half the country. Cost = Lots of Billions, plus more federal oversight (interstate commerce) so the idea isn’t talked about much since 2003. The next time there’s a widespread blackout, we’ll hear about it again.
Positive thoughts to your mother from New Hampshire Ms Ann.
-GSD
marksb @ 76
Yes.
Hey SF Teddy -
Thanks for the head’s up earlier today on the S.F. Chronicle story on Nancy Pelosi, by Zachary Coile in their Washington Bureau. I had erroneously acknowledged punaise as source in an earlier comment and he caught & alerted me to my error. Have some extra Pelosi for President 2007 bumperstickers & campaign buttons if you like some for yourself. Just email your address to me at infoATstowitts.org and I’ll send them right out to you.
MSannaNOLA
My bets wishes for her speedy recovery and hopes for your strenght and patience during this stressful time.
neurophius @ 79
Hillary equivocating? Impossible.
Gee, I actually hope W broaches a draft.. over the Pentagon’s objections. Cynthia McKinney’s impeachment bill will have a few hundred co-sponsors within a few hours…
looseheadprop @ 87
And I’ll bet Cheney will be equally cooperative in the Plame civil suit. NOT.
More troops to Iraq. Can we yet conclude the President is not stable?
Scarecrow, great post as usual…
Here’s a telling nugget from the WaPo article you cite up top: (This is the anonymous WH official who ostensibly defends the surge and offers the rebuttal to the Joint Chiefs):
“Advocates would say: ‘Can you afford to wait? Can you afford to plan in the long term?“
That speaks volumes about everything this administraton has done and is doing, and even more about how they think – on every issue from global warming to the national debt to the way FERC operates.
To hell with the long-term. We cannot “afford” to “plan” for that. The rapture is nigh.
P J Evans @ 82
If all ten or so generations of my Quaker ancestors were alive, I think that they would speak with one voice in fervent opposition to drafting anyone, especially women.
The Bush twins, through their paternal grandmother, have Quaker ancestors.
OT,
Looseheadprop gets front page kudos at The next Hurrah.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 96
Concur. I think a mental exam is in order
A consitutional crisis is developing…
Breaking….
Kate O’Beirne’s Teeth on Hardball, now.
What is that Sesame Street song… yee gad you can tell I do not have young kids anymore…
What one thing is like another???
Iraq is like the gulf coast post Katrina?
No power —- Iraq or NOLA?
No water —- Iraq or NOLA?
No garbage collection —- Iraq or NOLA?
Corruption and no bid contracts—– Iraq or NOLA?
Bay State Librul @ 100
More troops to Iraq – is this his idea, or someone else’s idea?
Thanks for the well wishes. So far everything is going as well as can be expected. Mom decided to do the reconstruction. I think it will be better for her psychologically in the long run to be made as whole as possible.
All I have to say ladies is don’t take the hormone replacement unless you have to. Those hormones fed her tumors. Furthermore, dense breast tissue prevented early detection in my Mom’s case. If you can, have a baseline sonogram as well as a digital mammogram. It may save your life.
Happy Holidays and thanks for the community firepups!
bg @ 60
Yeah Rahm – don’t let the door bop you in the head on your way out.
Breast cancer is down 15% since the replace hormone treatment is over.
At this point, we NEED a crisis. This needs to be forced to a head.. b43 must either be forced to step down and cooperate humbly with Congress on Iraq or he needs to be forced out of office. I don’t think any equivocation is possible, whatever Billary is up to.
Bay State Librul @ 100
Hillary Clinton may be real fireball on an I.Q. test. I don’t know. But when it comes to common sense on Iraq, she’s a dud.
Bush’s ideas about increasing the strength of the military are based on his concerns for damping down domestic insurrections.
He’s gonna need someone to order citizens to the nearest Halliburton Relocation Center since every available troop is roving sniper and IED fodder in Iraq.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 96
now george wants to increase the size of the military too
all of george’s ideas are 1370 days late, and 2950 dead soldiers short
we should have done all of this BEFORE we invaded Iraq
MsAnnaNOLA says
December 19th, 2006 at 2:42 pm*
Oh y’all say a little prayer for my Mom who is having a Double Mastectomy today.
Well – such as they are – you most certainly have mine. Now, tonight, and tomorrow morning.
Great post, thanks. Don’t know if you’ve seen these three short videos from Iraq yet or not, but both show the US Military engaging in some very dubious actions. I have them up on my site at http://www.minor-ripper.blogspot.com
So he really does think of them as toy soldiers, not living human beings.
Nero fiddling while Rome burned had nothing on spoiled brat Baby Bush.
If a prez is determined, with a capital “D”, to fight larger and perhaps more wars, and has run out of soldiers, what does he (Bush) fight with?
Stephen Parrish @ 98
I have Quakers on both sides, most directly through a great-grandmother (her mother was kicked out: married contrary to doctrine). I don’t think Bush’s kids are going to go for CO, the way my brother did. (He spent some time corresponding with his draft board, ‘Registered, Return Receipt Requested’, and to this day does not have any weapons in his house.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 113
What they have been itching to do for decades.
( hint, it rhymes with nookular.)
Fiyero — thanks, I missed that twist.
So the Pentagon does NOT want escalation in Iraq, but new U.S. SecDef robert Gates’ first job is to convince joint chiefs that what they really want is MORE troops in Iraq…
Meet the new boss – same as the old boss….
Bustednuckles @ 99
Wow! That is an honor. I am such a fan of Marcy’s
Can anybody explain to me how our whole country is being held hostage by The Bush Cabal? I really want to know.
SusanD @ 113
I’m waiting to hear what some of the Dems (e.g., Kerry) who have also advocated a larger military for other reasons, will say about giving Bush more troops, when he’s planning to just send them to Iraq. You don’t give an irresponsible person brandishing a loaded weapon more ammunition. Waiting for the media to link up these ideas.
Thanks scarecrow, great post.
looseheadprop @ 119
And I think she’s a fan of yours. Well done.
katymine @ 101
(clearing throat)
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things just doesn’t belong.
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
before I finish my song?
(Can you tell I have a kid?)
Relating to my question at #120. I can’t understand how so many people could know how very wrong Bush is and allow him to continue in office. I don’t care about the political ramifications anymore. Now we’ve come to the point of trying to save our country. We are being led by a man who appears to be genuinely psychotic, who rules according to what he wants. He presents no justification, no logic, no reasons. Impeach him ASAP.
The troubling thing for me is the realization that Rome was merely a city on a large planet. The President has the capability, potential and most disturbing of all, the ‘capacity’ to set the whole world on fire. The parallels between these two unstable individuals (Bush and Nero) are appropriate however.
SusanD @ 125
The man does seem to defy gravity.
katymine @ 67
Yeah, but only of undocumented aliens.
Info on The Draft
Not up to date, but much of the info is valid. Don’t think they‘d (the Bushies) be so interested in medical services, but, the infrastructure is there ready to go
Alright off to the ratrace again
Oh, nice info scarecrow, thanks
Murtha: U.S. has lost ‘militarily’ in Iraq
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Renewing his calls for a complete troop withdrawal from Iraq, Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, told CNN Tuesday he believes America has lost in the region “militarily.”
Now will they pay attention?
If Bush is to be impeached, we need to replace some Republican senators with Democratic senators, and/or, talk the Republican senators into the idea of impeachment. It’s that little old thing called the ’super majority’ that’s the fly in the ointment.
Sorry, another OT, this time for punaise.
It seems Billmon is back from hiatus.
http://billmon.org/
Thanks Peterr… it figures I would get it ass backwards….
Lets see…. current enlistment age is 42, then you have the backdoor draft for any person who has been active duty, the plans already complete for a selective draft for healthcare workers, computer sciences and other career fields in the works then you have the NSA list of who has been naughty and nice according to BushCo and then you have the Halburton detention centers no bid contract….
Lets just have bigger and badder Wars… So that corporations can bleed the treasury more plus put other countries on the same track.
Wooo doggies…. I see a Mad Max world in my future!
http://www.jcs.mil/jcs_comment.html
Dear General Pace;
I agree with your assessment of the Escalation of Iraqnam – It must not take place
I have been following Col. Pat Lang’s articles and the result of bush’s PNAC/AEI plan would be the destruction of our armed forces. This must not happen. I urge The Joint Chiefs of Staff to resign en masse rather than commit this violation of your oath the preserve and protect The Constitution not a power grab from an out-of-control Executive Branch.
Thank you for speaking up against this abuse and misuse of our military
.~~~~
We need to flood the Joint Chiefs…offices with the biggest damned “surge” they’ve ever seen~!
Dear Joint Chiefs of Staff:
We hear you loud and clear.
We have friends and family in uniform, and we understand the risks that go with the job. We also understand that the present administration has done grave harm to America’s defenses.
We have been listening to America’s warriors all along, and we took it to the voting booth in November.
As soon as the new Congress is seated, the investigations will begin, and the time will soon come when prudent policy is again the norm. Hang in there just a little bit longer, help is on the way.
With deepest respect-
-the citizens of these United States.
puppethead @
77
I’d compare Idiot Boy to Kaiser Willy der Zweite, but Kaiser Willy at least had the excuse of extreme inbreeding.
Probably because up until recently, most governors were Republican, and they didn’t want to piss off the Boy King, who is known for exacting revenge.
I found the perfect location for the new Bush Library.
Perhaps a joint Caligula/Kissinger Library can be built in the same neighborhood.
-GSD
Pachacutec has a Blue America post on the new Chair of the DCCC in a new thread upstairs.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/18/222551/78
Nice catch recommended. Hopefully they can hold off this maniac, although I doubt it.
They could stop Bush. It’s a question of how bad they want to stop him.
How Bad do WE want to stop him?
Has everyone reading this called, written, faxed or e-mailed every one of their representatives in Washington?
Have you told them:
Colin Powell thinks surge is stupid
So apparently do all the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
and so do 90% of the American public.
We just held an election that sent a clear message to Washington that we think this war is wrong and we should stop trying to involve ourselves in a civil war, enlist the help of our allies and find a diplomatic solution.
The President has said repeatedly that he will do what his generals tell him
Why is this president ignoring every signal and pursuing a course that will only lead to more loss of life, and of national treasure, will further weaken an already terribly weakened US Military and has cost us moral leadership in the world?
Stop it…..NOW!
Make the call
Send the fax
Write the letter
Send the E-mail
Do every one of those things and do it now….
EVERYONE!
He cannot ignore it when the nation as a whole tells him NO!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 130
Impeach Cheney First
ain’t that the damn truth
The new, democratic Iraqi government stages another mass execution.
Just trying to catch up to Saddam.
-GSD
Kathryn in MA @ 140
History of trying to avoid federal jurisdiction; if you have substantial interstate transmission lines, Congress has authority to regulate under the Constitution’s interstate commerce clause.
twolf1 @
6
Our Saudi overloards have forbidden any harm to this man.
Bustednuckles @ 131
thanks for the heads-up.
Dickie-boy, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Don’t forget to stock-up on money to pay for hookers.
Morris threatens to leave America.
Good riddance, pervert.
-GSD
ANOTHER DAY IN THE EMPIRE
http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/slaughter.htm
http://www.rense.com/general74/70th.htm–
Are 70,000 Pentagon Mercs Killing Iraqis? (Is Grass Green?)
From Dick Fojut
11-26-6
COULD (SOME OF) THE PENTAGON’S HIRED MERCENARIES BE REMOTELY DETONATING CAR BOMBS AND ASSASSINATING SUNNIS AND SHIAS – TO PROVOKE A U.S./ISRAELI PLANNED CIVIL WAR THAT WILL DISMEMBER IRAQ?
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SHADOW COMPANY (about a former “security contractor’s” book)…
http://www.americanprogress.or…..mpany.html
Excerpt only…
According to Robert Young Pelton’s upcoming book Licensed To Kill: Hired Guns in the War on Terror, there are now over 70,000 armed men working as security contractors in Iraq.
(Book also reviewed by Amazon)… http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/m…..3JA5OEV4XR
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The above revelation by Pelton leads to this VALID QUESTION: Have any of the Pentagon’s 70,000 (Civilian) “Hired Guns” (AND Israeli IDF assassination experts) been “provoking violence” in Iraq (disguised as Iraqis), remotely detonating car bombs and indiscriminately murdering both Shias and Sunnis – to create a U.S./Israeli planned civil war that dismembers the nation?
LA Times’ William Arkin wrote that “Provoking Violence” globally has been the Cheney/Rumsfeld plan since 2002 as described in the following…
HAVE RUMSFELD (AND CHENEY) ‘COMBATTED TERRORISM’ BY CAUSING IT?
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839272.shtml ——–
1. The United States implemented a policy of support for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War
2. On 9 June, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC’s Nightline that “It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam’s Iraq into [an aggressive power]” and “Reagan/Bush administrations permitted — and frequently encouraged — the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.”
3. According to retired Colonel Walter Lang, senior defense intelligence officer for the United States Defense Intelligence Agency at the time, “the use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern” to Reagan and his aides, because they “were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose.”
Combine all that with Rumsfeld’s shaking hands with Saddam, America’s OWN arms for hostages to terrorists and riddle me this:
GSD @ 145
From that article:
However, Morris went on: “Obama’s in fact a better first than [Clinton] is. First black is better than first woman, in politics.”
I wonder how he made that calculation? Remember Shirley Chisolm?
Scarecrow @
147
What a churl. And what an easy way to get rid of him forever! Does anyone really care what Dicky thinks? I know Hill don’t.
scarecrow, you continue to inform and,well, given the subject matter, delight is too strong but you are a very easy read.
I remember back in the late 90’s a tree branch in Idaho took out a main Western Grid transmission line. All throughout California, Oregon and Nevada (I think), the power was out for days as they tried to figure out what had happened. It wasn’t a total outage here. There were pockets of power and some humongous generators at big box stores like
Costo and Home D., but it was a major mess.
We had dinner that night at Yamashiro, a Japanese restaurant with a generator, at the top of a hill overlooking Los Angeles. Wow. Pretty much the whole city was dark. Not something ya see everyday.
Last week I started writing down what it would be like here in my town if we had electricity like the Iraqi’s do. So many things we take for granted are automatically out of the picture – shopping, driving, cooking, seeing. I think we should do a latenight serial story about a town with no power. You know, you write some, then I write some then Bustedknuckles takes a piece, then Trex…and so on and so on and so on.
Lessee. 70K troops @ $200K/yr 100% overhead (admin charges, housing, etc.). That make $28B just to support them. Yeah, that’s what I pay taxes for…
Great picture! Is that the neutral frying?
Kinda metaphorical…
In the spirit of the same energy as those who seek the zed, i seem to seek the worst EPU. But if anyone wished to discuss transmission issues, including amurka’s vulnerability, eye am expert.
Three decades in wind power generation, including having testified in Congress about opening the grid.
One story, which no one will read, is appropos.
I’m having a drink and a cigar at Tosca’s in SanFRanDisco, despite the ban, for Tosca’s was a favorite of the Mayor. Next to me at the bar were two gents buying expensive and also smoking cigars, despite the ban. I overheard DC political intalk. Asked what’s up. Said they worked for the Clinton admin.
Told them they should pay more attention to the vulnerability of the national grid. Told them i could take out the west coast for many months with a VW bus mit sunroof and a few Vietnam era mortars. Explained how, and why i knew, being a power producer which fed into the biggest substation in the world, Tesla, near Altamont Pass in Cali.
They laughed and contin ued to mock me, saying the federal gubmint would not permit such vulnerability. chastized, but angry at their blindness, i slunk into submission.
2 or 3 days later, i’m driving a truck with my girlfriend’s belongings from Portland back to SF. when it’s time to tank up again, the first station has no power, so can’t tank, and go to the next. also no power, the proprietor thinks there’s an outage, try the next.
There was no next. The grid was down from Texas to Canada and the Pacific. 11 hours. 2 or 3 days after the discussion about the grid vulnerability with these DC knowitalls.
But that downtime came from high winds blowing some trees across the major line to Cali from Bonnevile Power Admin, causing a spark to spark.
11 hours, entire west coast. And that has little to do with what a few well-placed explosions at key points in the grid would do.
I’ve discussed this with key planners to no avail, so i’m not worried to post this here. The grid is weak, and vulnerable beyond your belief.
We fought so strongly to get the powers to wake up, to no avail. For those of you in SF, drive out in the altamont on Patterson Pass road to the top, and look down on the central collection point for most of the electricity that comes into Cali. Tell me what you think.
Mommybrain — sorry, I was upstairs and missed your comment at 149. I was in California when that outage occurred — it was 1996. The California Legislature was holding hearings on the bill that eventually authorized electricity retail choice. The Chair of the joint committeed was holding hearings on the bill, but when the outage happened, he was sitting in a McDonalds and was so upset about that he went back to the office and had his staff draft special sections on “reliability” to stick in the bill. The provisions were meaningless, and had nothing to do with keeping trees trimmed in Idaho, but it made him feel better.
That was Senator Steve Peace, whom some of you may remember as the guy who made the cult film, Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (I think they ate Chicago). Can’t make this stuff up.
And Crazy Horse — we may know each other? Ever work for the CEC?
Scarerow, great post btw, i was Project Manager for the CEC Wind Demostration Project in 1980. as time progressed, i was on various committees, but never worked there. Knew John Geesman well, and also Rusty Schweikart when he was commissioner, as well as lots of other staffers in the renewable side.
Because i was co-developer of some of the first utility-scale projects in the Altomont, i was always welcome there, but the relevance in the Wilson days dissappeared.
Me kinda stunned at what’s happening now, with the austrian gearing up for a renewable Cali. Looks like they’re trying to catch up with Germany and Japan.
What did you do there?
Oh my god. You do not need to transmit electricity across wires. Telsa proved that; I don’t know why we’re still using outdated crap like that.
If you’re me, you gotta love the graphic on this post. In fact, I use that one all the time.