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		<title>By: johnSwifty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/15/iraq-news-a-modest-proposal/#comment-421260</link>
		<dc:creator>johnSwifty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Love that title scarecrow.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry I missed this thread — life called, it wanted me back — but your stuff is always a marvelous revisit; the information is still pertinent and your observations are always worth serious consideration.  I spend more time perusing your links than almost any other front page poster (hugh and lhp are close, of course).  So much to know, so much to read.  Thank you for divining a way to drill into it.  I appreciate your perspective greatly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Sorry I missed this thread — life called, it wanted me back — but your stuff is always a marvelous revisit; the information is still pertinent and your observations are always worth serious consideration.  I spend more time perusing your links than almost any other front page poster (hugh and lhp are close, of course).  So much to know, so much to read.  Thank you for divining a way to drill into it.  I appreciate your perspective greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/15/iraq-news-a-modest-proposal/#comment-421107</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421106&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mc @&lt;br /&gt;
                145              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I realize this post is quite “dormant” now, but I wanted to add my two cents, anyway.  I love Swift, and I’m really liking your posts, Scarecrow.  It’s just a shame that satire needs to be identified as such.  Just proves the wingnuts really don’t have a sense of humor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Scarecrow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Appreciate the comment.  But not all satire is meant to be humorous. I was certainly not trying to be funny, and I don’t think the topic is anything to laugh about.  My goal was to point out the absurdity of many current proposals, not the humor in them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>I realize this post is quite “dormant” now, but I wanted to add my two cents, anyway.  I love Swift, and I’m really liking your posts, Scarecrow.  It’s just a shame that satire needs to be identified as such.  Just proves the wingnuts really don’t have a sense of humor.</p>
<p>Thanks, Scarecrow.</p>
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<p>Appreciate the comment.  But not all satire is meant to be humorous. I was certainly not trying to be funny, and I don’t think the topic is anything to laugh about.  My goal was to point out the absurdity of many current proposals, not the humor in them.</p>
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		<title>By: mc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I realize this post is quite “dormant” now, but I wanted to add my two cents, anyway.  I love Swift, and I’m really liking your posts, Scarecrow.  It’s just a shame that satire needs to be identified as such.  Just proves the wingnuts really don’t have a sense of humor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Scarecrow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this post is quite “dormant” now, but I wanted to add my two cents, anyway.  I love Swift, and I’m really liking your posts, Scarecrow.  It’s just a shame that satire needs to be identified as such.  Just proves the wingnuts really don’t have a sense of humor.</p>
<p>Thanks, Scarecrow.</p>
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		<title>By: SeriousKidding</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeriousKidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said, Scarecrow. Your post just goes to show how absurd the whole situation really is. And, BushFu*k just wants to keep on sendin’ ‘em into harm’s way. Bush IS harm’s way, for Christ’s sake. Your satire is not only well intended, it cuts to the heart of this tragic, stupid, arrogant and greedy war. Thanks. -grant gerver&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seriouskidding.com&quot;&gt;http://www.seriouskidding.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Scarecrow. Your post just goes to show how absurd the whole situation really is. And, BushFu*k just wants to keep on sendin’ ‘em into harm’s way. Bush IS harm’s way, for Christ’s sake. Your satire is not only well intended, it cuts to the heart of this tragic, stupid, arrogant and greedy war. Thanks. -grant gerver</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seriouskidding.com">http://www.seriouskidding.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t see any realistic way of putting a halt to the undeclared civil war that is destroying Iraq. The most intelligent proposal for Iraq is to divide the country into different ethnic sections and hope for the best.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a mess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t see any realistic way of putting a halt to the undeclared civil war that is destroying Iraq. The most intelligent proposal for Iraq is to divide the country into different ethnic sections and hope for the best.</p>
<p>What a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara in Stockholm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara in Stockholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Satire it may be, but this post brings up an important aspect of why Iraq is failing as a nation: non-existing group identity. There has to be some sort of uniting force to bring the group together. (I like to think of it as the psychological equivalent of gravity.) This can be accomplished in three ways. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. The Saddam strategy - Fear. Force the country together by killing enough dissidents so everyone else think the price of protesting is too high. This strategy is popular in North Korea, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; 2. The Hitler strategy - us vs. them. Define the group in negative terms, by what it is not. A common enemy is really useful here, as the post suggests. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. The democratic strategy. Define the group in positive terms. Let the sense of common interest grow organically. Of course, this is not an option in Iraq. The forces pulling the country apart are too strong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is so sad that Iraq is such an un-fixable mess. After Saddam, the Iraqi people really deserved better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satire it may be, but this post brings up an important aspect of why Iraq is failing as a nation: non-existing group identity. There has to be some sort of uniting force to bring the group together. (I like to think of it as the psychological equivalent of gravity.) This can be accomplished in three ways. </p>
<p>1. The Saddam strategy &#8211; Fear. Force the country together by killing enough dissidents so everyone else think the price of protesting is too high. This strategy is popular in North Korea, too.</p>
<p> 2. The Hitler strategy &#8211; us vs. them. Define the group in negative terms, by what it is not. A common enemy is really useful here, as the post suggests. </p>
<p>3. The democratic strategy. Define the group in positive terms. Let the sense of common interest grow organically. Of course, this is not an option in Iraq. The forces pulling the country apart are too strong.</p>
<p>It is so sad that Iraq is such an un-fixable mess. After Saddam, the Iraqi people really deserved better.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 06:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scarecrow–you just keep getting better and better.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Always intellectual and logical, originally tiptoeing around the passion of your ideas, now jumping in with both feet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More of this please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarecrow–you just keep getting better and better.</p>
<p>Always intellectual and logical, originally tiptoeing around the passion of your ideas, now jumping in with both feet.</p>
<p>More of this please.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Margot — that’s it.  Andy Card.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margot — that’s it.  Andy Card.</p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420903&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @ 134&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Well, there was the decision to got to war in Iraq. IIRC, his Chief of Staff said something to the effect that summer was not a good time to announce a new policy, but they had made up their minds.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t even consider that, since that was a foregone conclusion coming from within the neo-con contingent in the WH. This controversy that Bush is “thinking” about–ostensibly–has been generated from without (because of the B-H report). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, it’s all a smokescreen, but the language before the stem cell decision was the same as now, and in both instances, Bush has said he would “listen” to the experts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe he does listen to the extent he can. And maybe he has the attention span of a fruit fly studying calculus….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-420903"><em>Scarecrow @ 134</em></a></p>
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Well, there was the decision to got to war in Iraq. IIRC, his Chief of Staff said something to the effect that summer was not a good time to announce a new policy, but they had made up their minds.</p>
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<p>I don’t even consider that, since that was a foregone conclusion coming from within the neo-con contingent in the WH. This controversy that Bush is “thinking” about–ostensibly–has been generated from without (because of the B-H report). </p>
<p>Yeah, it’s all a smokescreen, but the language before the stem cell decision was the same as now, and in both instances, Bush has said he would “listen” to the experts.</p>
<p>Maybe he does listen to the extent he can. And maybe he has the attention span of a fruit fly studying calculus….</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420898&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @&lt;br /&gt;
                129              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420896&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;prostratedragon @ 128&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;It wouldn’t surprise me if the Administration planned to begin a major offensive, then announce it after the fact &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I assume all the melodramatic delaying of his great oration is about. That and possibly waiting for the January rotations to begin a little early.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems logical.  I don’t think anyone buys the spin that the President is actually undecided and is taking the time to think things through.  The digby post link speaks to that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ah, and so it does. I was boring them on some other blog yesterday about this, too. And I saw somewhere or other where Bacevich has said something similar somewhere in the last few days.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Cassandra” is a Greek chorus in our time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-420896"><em>prostratedragon @ 128</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>It wouldn’t surprise me if the Administration planned to begin a major offensive, then announce it after the fact </i></p>
<p>What I assume all the melodramatic delaying of his great oration is about. That and possibly waiting for the January rotations to begin a little early.</p>
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<p>Seems logical.  I don’t think anyone buys the spin that the President is actually undecided and is taking the time to think things through.  The digby post link speaks to that.</p>
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<p>Ah, and so it does. I was boring them on some other blog yesterday about this, too. And I saw somewhere or other where Bacevich has said something similar somewhere in the last few days.</p>
<p>“Cassandra” is a Greek chorus in our time.</p>
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