Fern @ 25

Let’s start with a small question: why on earth would any non-US citizen ever want to come here, even for vacation or travel purposes, with this sort of draconian “if you aren’t a citizen, we can hold you indefinitely, with no right to habeas or legal proceedings, because we get to define who may or may not be an ‘enemy combatant’ and you can’t question us about it” rule on the books? Discuss.

Well, this Canadian is staying on her side of the border.

How are you faring with Bushite Harper? Has he made any gains in tearing apart your provincial health care system?

Harper is, mercifully, in a minority government position and down in the polls since the new Liberal leader was chosen. He will need to be very, very careful about what he puts before Parliament. Which is not to say that he hasn’t done and won’t do damage – or that we’re perfect – but I still have anxiety about going to the US that I didn’t have before.

Sorry so short and hope that’s not too cryptic, but I’m out the door.

OT–Lieberman accompanies his buddy McCain to Baghdad:

From Salon’s War Room today:

Joe Lieberman, who made the trip with McCain, seems to be on the same page as his Republican colleague. “We need more, not less, U.S. troops here,” he said.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

Great. I hope the voters of Connecticut are really happy now.

OT (but sort of ‘on T’):

Is there any way to legally compell the Idiot to do what his employers (us) want him to do, short of impeachment?

It’s been a long time since 8th grade civics…

Thanks

Yes, it’s called an action for Mandamus.

The very first was Marbury vs. Madison

Bustednuckles @ 3..iirc…tourist traffic is down 17% over the past two years and business travel is down 10% over the past year. This is despite a weak dollar. Financial services are moving to Europe because people don’t want to risk travel to the US.

Well,we can always seize people we SUSPECT in foreign countries and fly them to BLACK HOLES or Quantanimo,so why worry over loss of tourists making themselves targets by visiting our shores?

So a foreign citizen in the country legally (like al-Maari) would, under Robertson’s ruling, still have habeas rights, I believe.

OTOH, a foreign citizen in this country legally – like oh, say, Maher Arar, can be kidnaped and sent to Syria for torture and proxy interrogation and that is ok, as long as anyone with DOJ stands up in court and says, SSSSHHHH, it’s a secret.

I would think that a non-citizen in this country would have all the usual legal rights including habeas corpus up to the point that they are declared unlawful enemy combatants. At that point, all bets are off.

And just how proud can you be to work for a “Justice” department that enables you to get your own personal blood splattered t-shirt, complete with a picture of your favorite terrorist’s children who have been kidnapped and terrified while their parents are tortured.

I can hear Justice department employees now…

But that would never happen to me. yeah.

Let’s start with a small question: why on earth would any non-US citizen ever want to come here, even for vacation or travel purposes, with this sort of draconian “if you aren’t a citizen, we can hold you indefinitely, with no right to habeas or legal proceedings, because we get to define who may or may not be an ‘enemy combatant’ and you can’t question us about it” rule on the books? Discuss.

Well, this Canadian is staying on her side of the border.

How are you faring with Bushite Harper? Has he made any gains in tearing apart your provincial health care system?

this really stood out for me:

The scope of the MCA goes so far beyond habeas and “fixing” habeas. It takes huge chunks of our civilian criminal law and Xs them out for anyone the President sticks a label on. It actually makes things that have never ever ever been treated as military matters or war acts or war crimes and sucks them into the realm of military resolution in a manner that turns the concept of the law of war upside down. It cuts the Uniform Code of Military Justice up in pieces and sews it back into something that – with several visits to a skilled plastic surgeon – might eventually pass for Frankenstein’s monster.

oh and I don’t know if you caught this from yesterday’s threads, but here is Brown with Amy Goodman

Senator-Elect Sherrod Brown On Iraq, Donald Rumsfeld and Why He Voted For the Military Commissions Act

http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..12/1459223