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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/14/that-other-good-war/#comment-419846</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apparently, the term “success” means something entirely different to Bush and the neo-con nuts compared to what “success” means to members of the reality-based communities of the world.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, the term “success” means something entirely different to Bush and the neo-con nuts compared to what “success” means to members of the reality-based communities of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: BroD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/14/that-other-good-war/#comment-419619</link>
		<dc:creator>BroD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Put it this way: It &lt;em&gt;could &lt;/em&gt;have been the “good war”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put it this way: It <em>could </em>have been the “good war”.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn in MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is your best post yet. Major contratters on your front-page-ness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is your best post yet. Major contratters on your front-page-ness.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;two bits from Dana Priest’s chat today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cape Elizabeth, Maine: Anthony Cordesman’s article “One war we can still win”, which was in the NY Times yesterday, detailed the worsening conditions in Afghanistan in terms of attacks on UN and Afghan forces, corruption and need of more money and training.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With the media’s and the military’s focus now on Iraq, is anybody else getting nervous about these conditions in Afghanistan?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dana Priest: Everyone is very nervous about Afghanistan. There’s a growing awareness that it could, in fact, be lost. And in the not-so-distant future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(and)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fort Myer, Va.: If, as you say, “Everyone is very nervous about Afghanistan. There’s a growing awareness that it could, in fact, be lost. And in the not-so-distant future….” maybe the question to ask our political and/or military leadership is “Do we have any more resources left, financial, military personnel-wise (ground forces, intelligence, planners, etc) and/or international assistance left, that aren’t already working on Afghanistan or already committed to Iraq, and to a lesser degree, doing other real world/real time activities in the rest of the world?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dana Priest: The answer, of course, is no. We are now in a zero-sum situation. There are no more non-critical areas to pull people out of. So every move, just about, is a direct trade off with something else that is important.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would venture to say that not nearly enough people are worried or even care about Afghanistan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/12/07/DI2006120701065.html&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01065.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two bits from Dana Priest’s chat today:</p>
<blockquote><p>Cape Elizabeth, Maine: Anthony Cordesman’s article “One war we can still win”, which was in the NY Times yesterday, detailed the worsening conditions in Afghanistan in terms of attacks on UN and Afghan forces, corruption and need of more money and training.</p>
<p>With the media’s and the military’s focus now on Iraq, is anybody else getting nervous about these conditions in Afghanistan?</p>
<p>Dana Priest: Everyone is very nervous about Afghanistan. There’s a growing awareness that it could, in fact, be lost. And in the not-so-distant future.</p>
<p>(and)</p>
<p>Fort Myer, Va.: If, as you say, “Everyone is very nervous about Afghanistan. There’s a growing awareness that it could, in fact, be lost. And in the not-so-distant future….” maybe the question to ask our political and/or military leadership is “Do we have any more resources left, financial, military personnel-wise (ground forces, intelligence, planners, etc) and/or international assistance left, that aren’t already working on Afghanistan or already committed to Iraq, and to a lesser degree, doing other real world/real time activities in the rest of the world?”</p>
<p>Dana Priest: The answer, of course, is no. We are now in a zero-sum situation. There are no more non-critical areas to pull people out of. So every move, just about, is a direct trade off with something else that is important.</p>
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<p>I would venture to say that not nearly enough people are worried or even care about Afghanistan.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/12/07/DI2006120701065.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..01065.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MarcLord</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/14/that-other-good-war/#comment-419407</link>
		<dc:creator>MarcLord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The civil war in Afghanistan is between a social revolution against the feudal lords (funded by Iran) and a religious revivalist which supports feudalism (funded by the Sunnis). There would be a war there anyway, our hubris is just making it about 100 times worse and proving every bad thing they teach about the West in the madrassahs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;America’s war in Afghanistan is not about capturing Bin Laden or finishing the Taliban. It’s part of the larger Oil Wars. (Bin Laden’s banker, who is also his brother in-law, still lives untroubled on the shores of Lake Geneva. How hard would it have really been to seize all Bin Laden’s assets, and bring him in? It was obviously was never a priority.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Afghanistan is crucial terrain if you happen to be fighting to gain control of Caspian Sea oil reserves and the network of pipelines to India. It’s also crucial terrain if you want to gain control of Iran’s oil. There is only one country left, which, if taken, would leave Iran completely surrounded and ready for full-on embargo: Syria.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The civil war in Afghanistan is between a social revolution against the feudal lords (funded by Iran) and a religious revivalist which supports feudalism (funded by the Sunnis). There would be a war there anyway, our hubris is just making it about 100 times worse and proving every bad thing they teach about the West in the madrassahs.</p>
<p>America’s war in Afghanistan is not about capturing Bin Laden or finishing the Taliban. It’s part of the larger Oil Wars. (Bin Laden’s banker, who is also his brother in-law, still lives untroubled on the shores of Lake Geneva. How hard would it have really been to seize all Bin Laden’s assets, and bring him in? It was obviously was never a priority.)</p>
<p>Afghanistan is crucial terrain if you happen to be fighting to gain control of Caspian Sea oil reserves and the network of pipelines to India. It’s also crucial terrain if you want to gain control of Iran’s oil. There is only one country left, which, if taken, would leave Iran completely surrounded and ready for full-on embargo: Syria.</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/14/that-other-good-war/#comment-419396</link>
		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scarecrow -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe in a post yesterday, or recently, you were asking Mary where one of her lists of issues-needing-remedy, or lists of questions for the Executive Branch, had been posted, but she wasn’t sure which list you were looking for, or where it might be.  Later it dawned on me that you may have been looking for the comments Mary made in the post by Christy asking readers for questions that the (make-believe) nomination hearing for Robert Gates ought to have been airing.  Those lists of issues/questions by Mary in that thread registered with me, because they were just her ’stream of consciousness’ and yet they were very comprehensive.  Here’s the post by Christy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/05/enough-with-the-tap-dance/#comments&quot;&gt;http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mary’s comments are at #65 and #76, in case those are the ones you’re looking for and in case you are still in search of them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I believe in a post yesterday, or recently, you were asking Mary where one of her lists of issues-needing-remedy, or lists of questions for the Executive Branch, had been posted, but she wasn’t sure which list you were looking for, or where it might be.  Later it dawned on me that you may have been looking for the comments Mary made in the post by Christy asking readers for questions that the (make-believe) nomination hearing for Robert Gates ought to have been airing.  Those lists of issues/questions by Mary in that thread registered with me, because they were just her ’stream of consciousness’ and yet they were very comprehensive.  Here’s the post by Christy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/05/enough-with-the-tap-dance/#comments">http://www.firedoglake.com/200&#8230;../#comments</a></p>
<p>Mary’s comments are at #65 and #76, in case those are the ones you’re looking for and in case you are still in search of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rough Canuk</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/14/that-other-good-war/#comment-419371</link>
		<dc:creator>Rough Canuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Afghanistan is not a war that can be won.  It is another war that is already lost, it is only a matter of the invaders deciding at what point they will make their retreat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Karzai is a manipulator.  He will say or do anything to move on his own agenda.  Manly tears?  Only if the man is a crocodile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Opium is the product of choice in this war, versus oil in Iraq.  That children or anyone dies over it is the tragedy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afghanistan is not a war that can be won.  It is another war that is already lost, it is only a matter of the invaders deciding at what point they will make their retreat.</p>
<p>Karzai is a manipulator.  He will say or do anything to move on his own agenda.  Manly tears?  Only if the man is a crocodile.</p>
<p>Opium is the product of choice in this war, versus oil in Iraq.  That children or anyone dies over it is the tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, thank you for this long awaited post and all of the comments scarecrow and friends.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also think that the response to 9/11 should have been one of criminal investigation and prosecution of those found guilty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Afghanistan– I am deeply sorry for you and your people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thank you for this long awaited post and all of the comments scarecrow and friends.</p>
<p>I also think that the response to 9/11 should have been one of criminal investigation and prosecution of those found guilty.</p>
<p>Afghanistan– I am deeply sorry for you and your people.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/14/that-other-good-war/#comment-419363</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Today on Alternative Radio, Jim Ingalls and Sonali Kolhatkar gave a different view of Afghanistan today than what we’re hearing and seeing in MSM.  They argue that what are being called Taliban in the media is in reality a mixture of former Taliban fighters, family members of those killed by coalition forces, and Pakistani fighters.  The latter two groups form the majority and are funded and sometimes led by Afghan warlords.  In short, the Taliban as we knew them are no longer a force to be reckoned with, but the new resistance force is, regardless of what they’re called.  With the country full of guerillas, a word &lt;em&gt;verboten&lt;/em&gt; in this administration, coalition forces are in deep doo-doo.  This is not Iraq, which is mostly flat and desert.  In mountainous Afghanistan a constant guerrilla war will kill thousands of coalition troops with far fewer casualties among resistance fighters.  The situation is further aggravated by the fact that these fighters will have the support of the locals.  Viet Nam deja vu, anyone?  The coalition forces will collectively punish the locals, the resistance will grow and the deadly cycle will grow like a cancerous tumor.  The fiasco in Afghanistan could have been avoided if US intelligence agencies had maintained the old tried and true human intelligence methods rather than relying solely upon electronic intelligence.  bin Laden, who IMHO is more of a money man and mouthpiece for the real brains, the Egyptian al Zawahiri (sp), and the whole bunch could have been dealt with by a Special Forces task force from numerous countries.  Such activity may have been the downfall of the Taliban without all the bloodshed we’ve heaped upon the country.  In any event, look for at least two more years of needless death and destruction to prop up one pathetic little man’s ego.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This Christmas the so-called Christians will be out worshipping the Dollar Almighty, the peace activists will be out with their signs (that includes me), and our kids will be in some shithole bleeding and dying.  Merry Christmas, my ass.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never give up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on Alternative Radio, Jim Ingalls and Sonali Kolhatkar gave a different view of Afghanistan today than what we’re hearing and seeing in MSM.  They argue that what are being called Taliban in the media is in reality a mixture of former Taliban fighters, family members of those killed by coalition forces, and Pakistani fighters.  The latter two groups form the majority and are funded and sometimes led by Afghan warlords.  In short, the Taliban as we knew them are no longer a force to be reckoned with, but the new resistance force is, regardless of what they’re called.  With the country full of guerillas, a word <em>verboten</em> in this administration, coalition forces are in deep doo-doo.  This is not Iraq, which is mostly flat and desert.  In mountainous Afghanistan a constant guerrilla war will kill thousands of coalition troops with far fewer casualties among resistance fighters.  The situation is further aggravated by the fact that these fighters will have the support of the locals.  Viet Nam deja vu, anyone?  The coalition forces will collectively punish the locals, the resistance will grow and the deadly cycle will grow like a cancerous tumor.  The fiasco in Afghanistan could have been avoided if US intelligence agencies had maintained the old tried and true human intelligence methods rather than relying solely upon electronic intelligence.  bin Laden, who IMHO is more of a money man and mouthpiece for the real brains, the Egyptian al Zawahiri (sp), and the whole bunch could have been dealt with by a Special Forces task force from numerous countries.  Such activity may have been the downfall of the Taliban without all the bloodshed we’ve heaped upon the country.  In any event, look for at least two more years of needless death and destruction to prop up one pathetic little man’s ego.</p>
<p>This Christmas the so-called Christians will be out worshipping the Dollar Almighty, the peace activists will be out with their signs (that includes me), and our kids will be in some shithole bleeding and dying.  Merry Christmas, my ass.</p>
<p>Never give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Have George Bush and Dick Cheney ever wept for the Afghani children?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hell, they’ve never even wept for all the AMERICAN children who’ve been left fatherless or motherless by their illicit wars.  As long as the money keeps rolling in, neither Bush nor Cheney gives a fuck about dead kids.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Have George Bush and Dick Cheney ever wept for the Afghani children?</em></p>
<p>Hell, they’ve never even wept for all the AMERICAN children who’ve been left fatherless or motherless by their illicit wars.  As long as the money keeps rolling in, neither Bush nor Cheney gives a fuck about dead kids.</p>
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