
(U.S. President George W. Bush (R) meets Iraq's Vice-President Tareq al-Hashemi in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, December 12, 2006. REUTERS/Jim Young)
Why are these men smiling? The Bush Administration's review of its Iraq policies is going so well that they've decided to keep doing it a little longer -- until after the first of the year. The Washington Post take on this story is here.
In its version, White House to Delay Iraq Shift Until 2007, the New York Times reports that the WH decided not to have The Decider decide any new decisions about Iraq next week, as the WH indicated previously. CNNs Cafferty explains it all here, thanks to Crooks and Liars. Apparently, The Decider-in-Chief thinks this decision is too complicated, what with all the factors to be considered. Alas, had he only decided that before we got in. But I suppose this new thinking part, if that's what they're doing, is progress compared to the lack of thinking through the consequences, and simplistic, misleading slogans they've been trotting out as "policy" for three years. But when these guys "think," it just makes everyone nervous:
The absence of an immediate new American plan for Iraq is adding to anxiety among Iraq’s moderate neighbors, who identify with the country’s minority Sunni Arab population, and has opened the way for new proposals from many quarters, in Iraq as well as in Washington, about the next steps. But several administration officials said Mr. Bush had concluded that the decisions about troops, political pressure and diplomacy were too complicated to rush in order to lay out a plan to the nation before Christmas.
Of course, the press is asking whether this all means the President doesn't know what he's doing, but Tony Snow assured them the delay only means they've got some complicated things to think about before they launch their new strategy, "Shock and Awe," . . .er, "End of Hostilities; Mission Accomplished," . . . er, "Strategy for Victory" . . . er, "Stay the Course, . . . NOT" . . . "Adjust Our Tactics" . . ."Benchmarks But Not Timetables," . . . "A New Way Forward." Yeah, that's it. And quit asking partisan questions, y'all.
The big question is whether they'll decide to send more troops. The Times article describes the internal debates about whether "surge" makes sense.
Another thing the WH may be pondering is what they do now that their own Party is abandoning them in droves, like maybe they've been complicit in some sort of crime. Following Pat Buchanan's nightly primal scream that Bush is destroying that old gang of his, MSNBC's Scarborough reported new polling results detailing the damage to the Decider's support.Among the complicated debates under way within the administration is the question of whether the United States should dispatch more American troops to Baghdad as part of a short-term surge aimed at quashing such attacks. The idea of a surge has been raised repeatedly by Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, but has prompted skepticism from commanders on the ground about its effectiveness.Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is not expected to advocate a surge when he briefs Mr. Bush at the Pentagon on Wednesday. A White House official said Mr. Hadley was only keeping options open for the president and not necessarily advocating one over another.
A new CBS poll finds Americans think Iraq is going badly and getting worse. Fully 75 percent of the public disapprove of the President's handling of the war, an increase of 8 percent in one month. But for Bush, the worst part is that most of the drop in support is coming from his own party. The link takes you eventually to pdf files for detailed findings.
In the meantime, a new Washington Post/ABC survey is showing strong support for the Iraq Study Group basic approach, even as the Administration and both parties distance themselves from the report's specific recommendations:
Nearly eight in 10 Americans favor changing the U.S. mission in Iraq from direct combat to training Iraqi troops, the Washington Post-ABC News survey found. Sizeable majorities agree with the goal of pulling out nearly all U.S. combat forces by early 2008, engaging in direct talks with Iran and Syria and reducing U.S. financial support if Iraq fails to make enough progress.
Even conservatives now believe the Bush Iraq policies are a disaster. What a perceptive bunch they are. The abandonment has been dramatic and rapid. Whatever else you may think of the Iraq Study Group, their report and the Beltway's reaction to the Baker Boys (and Justice O'Connor) just blew Bush's support right out the window. It's a little like watching the teenage friends blow the party as soon as the adults come home. They're gone, leaving Junior to clean up the mess.
Another topic the President's folks are likely thinking about is the reported threat -- or was it just a heads up among old friends? -- that Saudi King Abdullah gave Vice President Cheney a couple weeks back. According to another Times article, the Saudi government told Cheney they would financially support Iraqi Sunnis if the Americans bugged out and left the Iraqi Sunnis at the mercy of the majority Shia. You'll recall the earlier leak was that private Saudi money would help the Sunnis; but this appears to be the Government offering direct support. Think of it as you helping to fund Sunni insurgents in Iraq every time you fill up your gas tank. Support the Troops!
That kinda complicates any WH strategy to go with Cheney's earlier 80% solution, reported previously by the Washington Post's Robin Wright, (Iraq Strategy Review Focusing on Three Main Options) under which the US would simply back the majority Shia and stop trying to integrate the minority Sunni population into what purports to be the Iraq central government. If the 80% solution was what Cheney was originally pushing, it's small wonder Cheney was "summoned" to the Kingdom for a lecture in reality.
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia conveyed that message to Vice President Dick Cheney two weeks ago during Mr. Cheney’s whirlwind visit to Riyadh, the officials said. During the visit, King Abdullah also expressed strong opposition to diplomatic talks between the United States and Iran, and pushed for Washington to encourage the resumption of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, senior Bush administration officials said. . . .King Abdullah II of Jordan has also expressed concern about rising Shiite influence, and about the prospect that the Shiite-dominated government would use Iraqi troops against the Sunni population.
That would explain why the Administration now seems focused on putting together a coalition of "moderate" Sunnis, Shias and Kurds willing to back the central government, while isolating Mr. Sadr's forces. You'll recall Steve Gilliard's take on that yesterday: We're now in stupid land.
The Post article also suggests that the suprise resignation of the Saudi Ambassador to the US stems from a Saudi consultant's being too candid about Saudi intentions in the event of a US pullout. More on that a here (Saudi Ambassador Abruptly Resigns, Leaves Washington).
And then there are the military experts all advising Bush not to reduce troops or negotiate with Iran and Syria, even though the polls are saying the American people increasingly want the troops out and are just fine with talking to the Iranians and Syrians.
President Bush heard a blunt and dismal assessment of his handling of Iraq from a group of military experts yesterday, but the advisers shared the White House's skeptical view of the recommendations made last week by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, sources said.The three retired generals and two academics disagreed in particular with the study group's plans to reduce the number of U.S. combat troops in Iraq and to reach out for help to Iran and Syria, according to sources familiar with the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was private.
How do you spell Q-U-A-G-M-I-R-E?
There are lot more related stories, including here (US General Says Jobs and Services May Curb Iraq Violence) and here (Iraq Army Plans for a Wider Role in Securing Iraq). And that's just the East Coast biggies.
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Scarecrow!
Fitz!
Well, we wouldn’t want to stop the killing during Christmas, would we?
Scarecrow, you write with exceptional clarity. Have you had letters or articles in the Globe? Consider it.
Good morning, all. A mess of news today, and that’s just Iraq.
egregious — Thanks; my job requires I write stuff that explains tech stuff for state energy regulators and industry media types all the time; I prefer to spotlight other people’s stuff when talking to the normal press about politics.
I laud the president for not rushing into any new plan for Iraq. It reminds me of how patient he was invading in the first place. Like a fine wine, George W. Bush knows when it’s time.
http://www.seriouskidding.com
could someone PUHLEEZE ask the president “WHERE ARE THESE TROOPS COMING FROM?”
our own generals have told us national defense is NOT prepared for a catastrophe, THE MILITARY IS ALREADY BROKEN
so someone in the press, PUHLEEZE ask where these men are communing from
THEN
someone in the press PUHLEEZE point out to this military MORON that 20,000 troops, after eating, sleeping, shifts and choors, translates into 5000 more man hours.
SOMEONE IN THE PRESS PUHLEEZE START READING HERE AT THE LAKE, PAY ATTENTION TO THE ATTENDEES WHO ARE GENIUSES, PAY ATTENTION TO THE FIREDOGS HERE IN COMMENTS WHO HAVE SOME INSIGHT YOU SEEM SEEM TO BE MISSING
and lets get this country BACK on track
SeriousKidding @ 5
That’s good. I expect Tony Snow will want to borrow that one today. Can you imagine having that job, trying to defend this stuff?
like maybe they’ve been complicit in some sort of crime.
Yea, war crimes. Aggressive war, attacking a country that is not an immanent threat to yours is against the Geneva Conventions. We do still care a little about Geneva?
They needed to show an immanent threat, so that’s why they invented this WMD fantasy. That, too, is a war crime.
I keep writing immanent thread :) Coffee time.
and SOMEONE in the press FINALLY ask the president WHY he continues seeking the advice of MORONS who have been WRONG on EVERY opinion concerning Iraq, and WHY he hasn’t sought the sage and SOUND advice from people WE KNOW AS A FACT were CORRECT in their military analysis
And why they keep having the same morons on the Sunday talk shows, the ones who were so wrong about Iraq in the first place. Neocons, I’m talking about you.
Scarecrow @ 7
he took the job and snow is no idiot, he KNEW he would be defending policies that make NO sense.
he THINKS he is able to put some kind of credibility to events where none exists
he THINKS he can prove that water is dry, fire is cold, and george bush knows what he is doing
egregious @
8
Think the word you want is “imminent”. It is coffee time for me too : )
petedownunder @ 12
the word I want is ;
“resign”
Oooh, that was close. Just saved my car from a “don’t park on this side of the street on even Wednesdays when we sweep” ticket.
Scarecrow @ 14
I cannot 4 thu life of me figure out that alternate side of the street parking stuff
why don’t they just tell you on a sign when you can park and when you can’t?
perris @ 13
That works for me. Impeach is good too.
perris @ 6
I think there is a planned troop rotation that would have an extra 20,000 troops in place in January. The extra is an overlap of those coming and going. The decider will probably exploit this situation.
perris, actually they did tell me on a sign, right next to my car. I just forgot until I heard the sweeper coming down the street. Fortunately, he knows me and waited.
Even if Bush resigned tomorrow we still have a FUBAR situation. How do you put the hornets back in the nest? How do you mend a broken egg?
petedownunder @ 12
Ah, shoot. Guess I am missing immanentize here. Imm, if you’re reading, jump in will ya?
American Heritage dictionary includes in its first definition “Restricted entirely to the mind; subjective.” Since they invented WMD, its existence was restricted entirely to their mind, right?
Ok ok imminent. [heads for kitchen or kind fdl coffeemaker, whichever happens first]
Scarecrow @ 14
You almost won the sweeps takes.
I think there is a planned troop rotation that would have an extra 20,000 troops in place in January. The extra is an overlap of those coming and going. The decider will probably exploit this situation.
I think you’re right rumi, but I suspect they’re arguing about even more than that — I don’t think the McCain/Lieberman warriors are talking just about normal rotation. This “surge” talk has been about multiples of that, IIRC.
rumi @ 17
a “planned troop rotation”?
I’m lost, rotation isn’t additional troops
is he planning on paying peter by borrowing from paul?
then what will happen to the people paul is protecting?
Scarecrow @ 18
A plate of Christmas cookies would not be out of order.
egregious @ 20
I’d offer you some coffee, but since I use instant everyone I offer it to just cringes and heads for Starbucks and I can’t take any more rejection…
scarecrow - great writing, as usual. horribly sad and frustrating topic.
juan cole’s take on the NYT article (my emphasis):
and more big picture analysis from juan cole:
there’s lots more at the link….
selise @ 26
there’s lots more at the link….
so what stock do we buy?
petedownunder @ 25
[holds out mug for pete’s delicious coffee. I owe you one, mate]
SusanD @ 19
There is no chance to mend it if you keeping stomping on it as Chimpy is doing. I think we follow Molly Ivins’ (is she Ok BTW? No new columns recently) rule of holes: First stop digging. A new dem admin might bring enough hope to let everybody take a deep breath and at least stop digging, but it will take years and $$$ to fix it.
perris @ 9
egregious @ 10
no fucking dirty hippies allowed.
Color me confused — this really sounds like blackmail by the Saudis. America wants the troops out sooner rather than later, but Bush’s friend SA is telling America it cannot leave or it will go full scale into the war.
So by insisting that we stay in Iraq, Bush is following SA’s demands? Bush cannot move forward to get the Iraqis to govern themselves because the Sunni and Shite militia are busy blowing each other up (funded by SA and Iran respectively), but SA also won’t let America leave or it will start participating in the war firsthand.
Oh this is truly a clusterfuck for the generation. This move by SA means to me that no troops will come out. If it weren’t for all the other policies that the republicans can and will screw up, I would like the next prez. to be a republican so they can clean up their mess. But alas, that would be bad on so many other levels.
Stuck - that is what we are. Stuck like cows in the cattle truck going to slaughter.
Good morning Selise. Thanks for the Juan Cole.
petedownunder @ 25
Curious: Are the downunder governments and media going through the same reappraisal? Are they paying much attention to what’s happening here?
perris so what stock do we buy?
Schwinn
:-)
Dr. Bong @ 33
and moped stock…anyone still making those?
Perris,
yes, me too. This is not a presidency. It’s a placeholder with a retinue.
gotz 2 go 2 work, the lake is gonsta get me fired
c u L8ter
Scarecrow @ 32
John Howard (Aussie PM) is, for reasons inexplicable, 100% behind Bush. The Aussie press is about as lapdog as the US MSM as most of it is owned by Murdoch. The Aussies though are beginning to wonder WTF they are doing there, even though their participation is relatively small, about 700 troops IIRC. The opposition Labor Party just appointed a new leader and is showing some life so Howard may face some real pressure for the first time at the next election.
petedownunder @ 37
I gotta run too, g’day mates. See ya on Late Night
perris @ 27
compared to the iraqis, we have it easy. maybe try to pre-buy a winter’s worth of heating oil? i already have a bike.
i find myself hoping “it can’t get any worse, can it? president bush won’t double down and go after sadr, will he? our D congress won’t continue to fund our participation in this war, will they?”
and then i’m reminded of professor foland’s wise advice, “release your inner cynic”.
yeah, get a bike.
Looks like Wolfowitz is screwing up again.
(bold mine)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....=politics#
What complicates the issue for Bush is his true reason for being in Iraq: the oil. He so much wants to protect the oil companies raping of the Iraqi oil industry. None of the new proposals consider “oil security”, so he is waiting for Santa to bring him an oil friendly proposal.
Can’t wait for the sack of coal to dump on his head as he looks up the White House chimney.
perris @ 23
Here’s an example of what I’m referring to. This is different from scarecrow’s correct statement about the increase being larger.
The use of stop-loss orders can keep troops deployed longer by not allowing them to leave.
Yeah Titanyum– lots of coal from his “wonderful” mountain top removal mining… and gutting of our policies so that enormous enviromental devastation is occurring as we speak.
Angie — thanks for the link to Wolfowitz. These neocons are so predictable, yet they still surprise me. It’s them vs everyone else, and only they get to govern.
The toobz seem to be slow this a.m. Anyone else having trouble with the links, e.g. to Crooks and Liars?
angie @ 44
grrrrrrrrr. @ mountaintop mining
g’morning angie
BushCo also profited mightily by international coal baron entrepenuer ICG’s Ross.
I know Scarecrow @ 45.
Hi rumi– clean coal technology??????
http://www.coalfieldsustainability.org/signon.php
argh.
josh at TPM makes me wonder if part of what we’re seeing in the ME is the manifestation of an american faultline between the pro-saudi/baker, et al. faction and the anti-saudi/neo-con faction.
don’t know if anyone has cited this yet:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01392.html
McCaffrey’s proposal as far as I can tell would still leave 35,000 U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely.
He does have a good paragraph on Rummy:
“We are in a very difficult position created by a micromanaged Rumsfeld war team that has been incompetent, arrogant and in denial. The departing defense secretary, in a recent farewell Pentagon town hall meeting, criticized the alleged distortions of the U.S. media, saying that they chose to report a few bombs going off in Baghdad rather than the peaceful scene he witnessed from his helicopter flying over the city. This was a perfect, and incredible, continuation of Donald Rumsfeld’s willful blindness in his approach to the war. From the safety of his helicopter, he apparently could not hear the nearly constant rattle of small-arms fire, did not know of the hundreds of Marines and soldiers being killed or wounded each month, or see the chaos, murder and desperation of daily life for Iraqi families.”
then I got this headline from the L.A. Times in my driveway this a.m. and thought I was in a time warp back to 1968:
“Pentagon plans to send more U.S. troops to Iraq”
It remains astounding to me that such a huge block of people learned nothing from Vietnam.
lina @ 49
i think they learned the wrong lesson.
Scarecrow @ 45
been ok for me.
Get ready - the global oil war is almost here.
With the US trying to figure out who will win and align itself on that side, here are the teams:
Shia Iran, Iraqi Shia (where almost all of the Iraq oil fields and production facilities are located - and did I mention that all of the new US build Iraqi bases are located?, and Syria, as well as Hezbollah in Lebanon
On the other side, we find Sunni Saudi Arabia (who just commanded Dick Cheney to isolate Iran and Syria from diplomatic talks and with whom the Bush family has enormous and long-standing ties - (can you say, House of Bush cousin to House of Saud?), Iraqi Sunnis, Jordanian Sunnis, and guess what - Israel (in it for fear of Iranian weapons and Shia financing of Hezbollah)!
If the US didn’t have a horse in this race for oil…. Oh, but there is no real movement toward middle east oil independence, is there? Is that why Cheney and the Neocons have been heavily investing in foreign stocks? Is that why they are well positioned to wait out a US economic depression? Is that why they don’t care that the US is up to its eyes in debt to China? And where are the Carlyle/Bush investments these days?
The Saudi ambassador just fled his post to return home. The last time that happened was on September 4, 2001. Does this look like a war in a week?
Is that why the Patriot Act is aimed at stifling patriots?
Get ready for war, everyone.
Wow, lina — that McCaffrey quote re Rumsfeld is chilling. Is it possible he was that delusional?
selise — the part about Josh’ take on the neocons is the “double down” thinking. We’re loosing, so just throw more chips — read American troops — on the table, as though this were a game of probability, and sooner or later, we’d win. We saw the same thing in Viet Nam.
Geez….looking at that pic so early is sickening. Would you buy a used car from either of those two men?
for anyone who missed the excellent congressional reps kucinich/paul hearing monday on “iraqi civilian casualites” with the authors of the lancet study and juan cole… cole has posted the transcript, and a link the the c-span video.
much more here:
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/
Scarecrow @ 45
Yes, the page is loading slowly/not at all.
egregious @ 8
Bush care about the Geneva conventions? I don’t think so.
selise @ 40
And remember, the Bush Administration is always worse than you imagine, even if you try to take into account this rule.
The two questions I can’t believe aren’t being asked over and over:
“If this process was going to take this long, why did you wait until after the election to start?” and,
“How many more people will die because you’re waiting until the time that’s best for your reputation to try to paper over this disaster?”
(Yeah, I’d like to hear “Why are you still in office?,” too, but I’m thinking of questions I could imagine real reporter asking, though I’m phrasing them less politely.)
selise @ 50
30 years is a long time to maintain an erroneous assumption - particularly in light of the volumes of historiography from every possible perspective.
The lede NYT editorial takes Bush to task for his “delay.” From “Without Deliberate Speed” –
selise @ 50
I think one of the fundamental defining beliefs of the neocons (and maybe the movement conservatives in general) is that we would have won Vietnam if not for the press and those dirty hippies.
“Stab in the back” isn’t just a political tactic to them; they actually believe it’s true.
angie @ 47 argh is right but thanks for that information.
Here’s one that slipped through the seams
This is also curious when considered with the witness/employee statements during the coverage of the Sago mine disaster. The secrecy was ridiculous and nobody officially explained the ‘normal routine act of spraying the coal seam face before scraping’. I swear I heard the employee say it was a petroleum based product, but I could be wrong. It would make more sense than the official cause of a freak lightning strike.
We all worked hard to get the democrats in office. They have a choice, they don’t have to pass further funding for Iraq. Let the people of Iraq have their oil, after all it looks like their only resource and it does belong to them.
well, good for the NYT Scarecrow.
I guess bushco just wants a fine shopping season to reward their pals and never mind about those that will be grieving and worrying mightily this holiday, here and there.
no biggie.
(wow, rumi @ 63! good grief)
lina @ 60
But remember, another fundamental characteristic of neocons is that they know they’re right and consider experts “just another opinion.” They’re severely anti-intellectual; the fact that historians and other experts have spent decades studying this stuff means nothing to them.
angie @ 65
I guess they figure telling us to support the war by going shopping might not go over so well this time…
universalhealth @ 52
That was a stunningly clear piece of analysis. But I am praying you are wrong.
Scarecrow @ 61
i’m gonna miss gail collins.
Redshift @ 62
I think one of the fundamental defining beliefs of the neocons (and maybe the movement conservatives in general) is that we would have won Vietnam if not for the press and those dirty hippies.
And don’t forget their most chilling belief about Vietnam - if only they had used overwhelming force.
Bush Co. know exactly what they are doing. Bush appears stupid but he is far from it, he has been able to rig elections, grease palms for anti- American legislation, all the while making himself and his buddies more wealthy. I wonder if he will be holding his sweet bible on xmas and say Peace on Earth.
Looseheadprop @ 68
…but if it’s right, what does that say about the Dem support or enabling of the PA and their current calls for escalation?
Under the category of “why do they keep doing this after they’ve been told to stop?” it appears the head of General Services Administration wants to replace government oversight of the contracts for 100,000 civilians in Iraq with private oversight. From another NYT editorial:
selise @ 55
I saw part of this hearing.
Highly recommend.
NaNOO @
71
I can agree with everything you’ve said here about BushCo, except the part were George is smart. He might have been clever (like sneaky or tricky), at some point in his life but I doubt he was ever truly intelligent. My personal belief is that he epitomizes the concept of a malleable figurehead.
Articles have surfaced recently where the principal players (Condi, Rummy, Cheney…etc), have been shown to jockey for position in terms of getting to Junior first. The characterization has been that whomever gets to plant the germ of an idea first, innate stubbornness — and laziness in regard to having to ‘re-think’ — will take over and that principal will get his or her policy adopted forevermore.
Anthony Cordesman on that other war:
(emphasis mine)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12.....gewanted=1
Redshift @ 62
they should all be made to sit down and read the biography of Ho Chi Minh.
Another great job, scarecrow.
“US General Says Jobs and Services May Curb Iraq Violence”
Well, duh. If anyone with sense had been involved with the post-war planning, that would have been the first line in the reconstruction plan. Duh.
Mommybrain @ 78
Maybe disbanding the Iraqi army wasn’t such a genius move after all.
All those unemployed guys with weapons, I mean what could go wrong?
According to the LA Times this morning, the decision apparently is already made: it’s more troops and Steve Gilliard’s Stupid Land!
http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....-headlines