I can't tell you how many women I've heard from today relieved, so relieved, to learn there's something they can do to help ensure their children will be gay. I've heard from at least one pregnant woman stocking up on soy products.
I'm currently organizing a support group for disappointed parents of straight kids, to be called PFOTS (Parents and Friends of the Tragically Straight). In the meantime, here's some help identifying all the possible soy products potentially available to you parents hoping to bring into the world a beautiful lesbian woman or a young man who'll help clean up after Thanskgiving dinner without being asked.
For example, here's a nice list of foods made from soybeans. Here's a helpful list of soy recipes. Even if your kid turns out to be tragically straight, soy products will confer to him or her the following health benefits (according to the link above): thyroid health, energy and workout benefits, menstrual health, cardiovascular health, bone health, hair/skin/nail health, memory benefits, antioxidant benefits, prostate health, digestive tract health, kidney health, thyroid health and fertility benefits (which undercuts the whole gay thing, I guess).
Then, according to this site, soy can be found in body care products, candles, cleaners, composite materials, crayons, diesel additives, fabric conditioner, flooring, hair conditioners, hair styling aids (kind of explains the whole hair dresser thing, eh?), hand cleaners (nurses and chefs?), paint removers, pens, polish, shampoos ('nuff said), solvents and tables/furniture waxes.
Yes, indeed, it's a soy world after all. So clever of the right wing to recognize it's not about fluoridation after all.
If all that doesn't work, I can only share my mother's recipe: vintage Broadway soundtracks from the period encompassing the early 1960's or so, and later on, make your son an altar boy. I found myself oddly at home in a basic black frock. If that doesn't work for your daughter, or if you're not Catholic, get her into playing field hockey. Seemed to work well enough in my high school.
Good luck! Break a leg (or as we used to say in the Gay Men's Chorus, "Break a nail!").
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Soy!!!!
Soy!
did I return from the wilderness just in time to get the coveted zero?
guess not. I thought that “no comments” thing was a hoax.
So, everybody in Japan is gay?
Hiya cleter and welcome back from the wilderness. Thank you Pach for the post.
cleter @ 4
Hmmm. . . my partner was born in Japan. . .
I like in the video how the soy milk dances with the Village People.
Soy latte! Be a
hyperUber queer!*g*I love Thai food. Bean curd of any variety is good, but particularly in a sweet and spicy sauce of Thai origin. I have noticed, too, that upon ingesting a prodigious amount o’ the curd, I can mentally redecorate every room in my house with completely complementary colors and matching (but NOT matchy-matchy) appointments. Then, after a couple of Buds and some beer nuts, the new powers are gone.
The fundies I know scream in anguish if a boy picks up a potato peeler in the kitchen or a girl wants to play with the tools in the basement workshop: “Noooooooooooo! Not that – you’ll turn gay!”
And God forbid (literally!) that a boy ever go out to pick some flowers for the dinner table or sew his own button back on his shirt . . .
johnswifty: Switch to cosmopolitans. You’ll get a new wardrobe and start trimming. . . bodily hair.
What a f*cking idiot. He’s just taken on the entire soybean farming industry.
And it’s patently untrue. Maybe he needs a little plant-based phyto-estrogens to help him see this.
Oilfieldguy @ 9
Doesn’t work. The het particles in the coffee counteract teh gay in the soy. The reason Japan is a nation of teh gay is because they drink tea with their soy, rather than vibrant heterosexual coffee. Also, they eat seaweed. And are attacked by giant radioactive monsters from time to time.
Umm, the first-year college chemistry in me says it’s fluoridation. :)
So, if you want to join the Giant Republican Anti-Gay Bandwagon, is one of the pre-requisites that you flunk chemistry? And maybe biology? ‘Cause that soy-gay-estrogen thing…it’s so wrong I don’t know where to begin.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
Being gay is a feature.
It’s important to the survival of the entire species, or it wouldn’t appear at a fairly constant rate across all populations around the globe, in spite of soy exposure or no.
Homophobes like the idiot-whose-name-will-remain-untyped are features, too; they’re the ones that get killed in wars or eaten by predators.
Gah.
Well, I say edamame and miso rule!
I hope that Pastor Haggard consults a good dietitian as part of his “rehabilitation”…
I blame Archer Daniels Midland.
Here’s hoping that soy consumption=lesbian daughters. I live on tofu and my female child frequently says that she is a boy so I’m wondering how this will play out. All my pregnancy sex dreams were lesbian ones too! (They were great, except the one about Jennifer Anniston. Well, I enjoyed it at the time but was a bit chagrined upon waking.)
Were all the members of the Village People gay?
the new ambigous ones: metrosoyxuals
hackworth @ 22
We Are All Members of the Village People.
Pachacutec @ 11
They are a stunningly aesthetic drink. Now that you mention it, I sat down with a some friends and we had a few cosmos (stirred, not shaken) and before we knew it we had piled into a PT Cruiser for a road trip to Grand Rapids in order to visit the Francis Gumm museum. Who knew?
punaise @ 19
soy do I.
now, sweet dreams all.
Any text link, or any hope of a summary, for the dialup Luddites among us?
It is puzzling for one to seek external sources for internal orientation. Fundies believe we are all Gods creation and insist He is infallible.
Is this the explanation for their constant blaming of spongebob and teletubbies and soybeans and falafels?
Okay, I made that last one up.
So much BS! If people want to eat soy products rather than meat for ANY reason, this is a good thing.
I’ve tried for two summers to grow soybeans in Alaska. Doesn’t work. I love endame-style soybeans with beer and sushi.
You can survive on miso (soy bean paste), brown rice and rosehips through an entire winter without suffering vitamin deficiencies. I have friends who have done it.
cleter @ 16
Uh, I think a complete refutation of all science is fine… a medieval understanding of the sun rotating around earth, however, is fine. And, I’m sure, that the Republicans are happy as hell to have the support of all flat-earthers.
Rayne @ 13
I’m tempted to say that this is a classic example of the rhetorical fallacy of Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (correlation implies cause), but somehow, like you, I suspect that there’s a deeper issue here. Perhaps a traumatic experience at a Village People concert?
Funny how particular foods get crazy, magical properties applied to them, when it’s the stuff on your foodstuff that’ll actually accumulate in the body of, say, a woman who then goes on to have a child though her womb is quite the stew of endocrine disrupting contaminants (which block and/or mimic hormones.
And the infant comes out somewhat lesser other than it would have been without those contaminants which are in us all. And yes, we are all somewhat lesser in some physiologically measurable way because our development in the womb, and then shortly thereafter, was slurred by these contaminants. It might be a fractional loss of IQ, or smaller gonads, or loss of bone density, or things much more significant to the individual.
But it’s soybeans that some blowhard wants to talk about and demonize. We have real demons after us, and they aren’t after our souls. They nip away, incrementally, at our flesh, and they are brought to you by the chemical industry. But we won’t be talking about that. It’s all just junk science. Isn’t it?
Yo soy homosexual?
Ed*ard Teller @ 29
One of your winters or one of my winters? Frankly, you can survive the winters here in Florida with a cup of coffee and a doughnut. They only last about an hour.
angie @ 26
Ah, ADM… price fixers to the world….
montag @ 29
They did manage to lasso “Flat Head Friedman”, didn’t they?
punaise @ 22
The new handbook for the culture: The Joy of Soy
Oilfieldguy @ 28
Tinky Winky, Spongebob, Loofah, Falafel, Chick peas, Soybeans, Bill O’Reilly, War on Christmas, War on Enlightenment, GWOT.
Then, according to this site, soy can be found in body care products, candles, cleaners, composite materials…
don’t even get me started on jojoba (pronounced *ahem*: “ho-ho-bah).
Leahy is GREAT! I caught the tail end earlier, but the entire speech is very informative and funny as hell. C-SPAN.
Cujo359 — nah. He’s probably conflated his two big fears into one big Freudian tarball.
Fear of being gay plus fear of tofu-water =
Absolute babbling stupidity.
Miso horny.
Oh.
Miso horny.
Me love you long time.
Patrick 4/4 @ 42
707
cleter @ 34
ROFL. I’m talking our 4.5 month winter.
punaise @ 20
I blame Bill Clinton’s traitorous wee-wee, the source of all the earth’s evil.
Soy bomb them all.
-GSD
Okay, I think I’ve figured out enough of what’s going on here from the comments. Kinda gives a new meaning to that old commercial jingle: “La Choy makes Chinese food swing Americans!”
Rayne @ 41
Could it be that simple? Almost certainly …
let’s blame Monsanto while we’re at it.
So, Pach, should aspiring gay infants be nursed with soy milk?
cleter @ 45
I blame all those green John
QueerDeere tractors.angie @ 36
I don’t think they lassoed Friedman. Probably tied a string around a Cinnabon and left it for him to find, then led him everywhere they wanted him to go….
Cujo359 @ 48
soytainly could be…
Redshift @ 50
Similac, though breast feeding is permissible for baby girls. For obvious reasons.
montag @ 51
oooh, nice montag– his nose knows– a real bloodhound.
soy noyce.
cleter @ 45
Certainly a good counter-example. Bill Clinton’s fondness for McDonald’s was legendary. His p*nis should have been the width of a pencil if this guy is correct.
Speaking of Soylent Gays, Where is our Meatosaurus?
My daddy was meek and submissive.
My edamame was distant and controlling.
I’m beginning to understand…
Hackworth @ 38:
Tinky Winky, Spongebob, Loofah, Falafel, Chick peas, Soybeans, Bill O’Reilly, War on Christmas, War on Enlightenment, GWOT.
We didn’t start the fire…it was always burning since the worlds been turning…
-GSD
I think one of the most disturbing slanders in this whole thing is the canard about reduced penis size.
Not to get all TMI about it, but. . .
Soylent night…..
Miso in peace, GSD.
Soy funny, Pach.
Pachacutec @ 59
What really matters is the firmness of your tofu.
random acts of funny
Bad Reporter by Don Asmussen (comics)
Oilfieldguy @
56
He is green, isn’t he.
Left you a comment downstream, OFG. Glad you’re still with us, Amazing how fast you can react sometimes, eh?
Bit NOLA — That crossed my mind at first, living downstream from a big producer of endocrine-disruptors…but I don’t think so.
They probably result in major birth defects or reduced fertility, but not homosexuality. In spite of the increased environmental exposure to endocrine-disruptors, the percentage of population identifying as gay hasn’t changed.
Feature. It’s built in.
Idigenous cultures relied heavily on homosexuals to be the keepers of their culture; without the mahu, Hawaiian culture would have been nearly wiped out under the deliberate onslaught of pressure from occupying whites. I suspect this could be a critical issue for some cultures on the brink of extinction.
Pachacutec @ 60
Quack.
War on Christmas is being waged by ExxonMobile. The North pole will be in open sea in about thirty five years by some estimates.
I think that’s where Santa lives. They are trying to drown him out.
“EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!!”
That’s it. I killed the thread.
I guess the Sprout will end up being TS. Oy, soy farts from a baby are punishing. We just couldn’t cope. We used goats milk and assorted supplements, a special formula from the pediatrician.
OT — sorry, but George Lakoff didn’t get the love at DailyKos. Please rec this Lakoff diary if you have a userid at the BigOrange, thanks!
Pachacutec @ 68
Was it the talk about equipment size?
Is there no hope for Luke, Mommybrain?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!
(Please firgive the cheesy Star Wars reference)
Umm, I’m sorry, Pach, you were saying something?
Heh.
OFG:
I’m on my good behavior now. Inside voice, even.
“Parents and Friends of the Tragically Straight”
Oh. Pach, please. I’m an old woman and even though I work for a bunch of ENT docs there’s only so much liquid I can squirt out my nose before it becomes a real problem…
Damn. You should trademark that. Lordy, how I howled…
Rayne @
73
done. now, I guess I should go back and read it…
So do they become homoSOYxual?
-GSD
What a sorry state of life/ science.
Way back when, the mothers were blamed if they had a gay child. Overindulgence and all that. And now the mothers are being blamed because they drink soy milk/ eat soy? Oh, what a great advance in our understanding! (not)
I had to look up the link to the article. Didn’t see it in the post. waddaloadocrap!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n…..E_ID=53327
I blame Lieberman! ;)
Pachacutec @ 74
Darn, and I know so many good and extremely tacky jokes about that subject matter.
Pachacutec @ 75
Well, he does change his clothes sometimes 5 times a day. Big on costumes. Drama queen? You betcha! He loves live theater and said, after the Nutcracker performance we saw last weekend, his third: Mom, that wasn’t the best performance of the Nutcracker we’ve seen, was it?
I’d say there’s hope for him yet. And I could sure use some help on Thanksgiving;~)
Oilfieldguy @ 79
You know how I make mine nine inches?
punaise @ 49
Ah, so much in that… they’re genetically modifying soybean plants to tolerate higher and higher doses of their own herbicide, Roundup. So, is soy the problem, or the elevated levels of their herbicide.
M’self, I think this is just a variation on the “red meat makes real men” routine. I wouldn’t be surprised if this were a secretly-funded plot of the National Cattlemens’ Association. :)
OFG: Me too. Me too. But let’s defer to the ladies and all those not otherwise entertained by classic dick jokes.
More evidence of the media gay conspiracy. Just what orientation was this wee lad and who was he appealing to?
Ho, ho, ho.
-GSD
Pachacutec @ 83
I generally behave around these parts.
Ah, I see there’s new
snipepony hunting initiative.Oilfieldguy @ 88
Which parts would those be?
OFG: Submissive, eh?
Pachacutec @ 89
Any mention of shovels in that piece?
Patrick 4/4 @ 87
That was an intentional double entendre. Thanks for noticing, and I don’t do rim shots!
Patrick 4/4 @ 90
Shh… they’re private. :)
Oilfieldguy @
88
Does the sun shine on those parts?
OK, gang. Bedtime for daddy. Have fun, but please don’t encourage OFG. I won’t be held responsible for what goes on in my absence.
anon — you know, after having two kids, I’m pretty sure that women are too often blamed for something that is often not a conscious choice on their part.
Kid #1: I had horrible cravings for apples, green grapes and rare steak, the kind of cravings that would drive me crazy. Baby was a jumper, highly active all the time, too. The kid’s favorite foods to this day are those three things.
Kid #2: Completely the opposite, slow-moving baby in utero, had a pace entirely different from the first one. And totally different cravings — Cheetohs and brownie-nut fudge ice cream. You guessed it, the kid will chow on either of those ’til the cows come home while the first one can’t be bothered with them.
So which came first?
My cravings > kids’ tastes
Kids’ tastes > my cravings
What if I’d craved soy?
Pachacutec @ 88
Uh oh, I’ve been Dr,
feeledPhil’ed.Pachacutec @ 89
You know it’s serious when Dubya focuses on something for more than an hour and it features neither Tom nor Jerry.
Oilfieldguy @ 93
That was an intentional double entendre. Thanks for noticing, and I don’t do rim shots!
OK – was that one intentional?
So the right wing is worried about feeding children soy, but doesn’t care about mercury runoff in water?
Pay no attention to a proven cause of birth defects, LOOK OVER THERE! The LIBERALS want you to eat SOY, which will turn your children GAY! GAY, I tell you, with teeny-weeny PENISES!
Weapons of mass distraction, indeed.
TRex has everyone focusing on erogenous zones, and he ain’t even here!
Mine happen to extend five feet in all directions.
alton @ 101
Or, mass destruction of weapons.
alton — well, with that mercury run-off in the water, a lot of Americans are too stupid from neuro-toxicity to realize they’re being manipulated.
Gotta’ give them that much.
Oilfieldguy @ 102
An aura-genous zone?
A double double. Or in Farticus lingo:
“Double-bi.”
The toothless wonder has spoken.
[yawn] I’ve got to hit the hay, too much work and not enough sleep this week. Will have to leave you boys to play with your, uh, homophobic topic.
GSD @ 61
. . . oil is calm, oil is bright . . .
So brite my mama calls me sun.
Oilfieldguy @ 107
Just so she don’t call you late for dinner.
(and I saw your comments on the last thread . . . glad your afternoon wasn’t any more exciting!)
Who‘ll save the children?
EvilDrPuma @ 99
They didn’t say how much longer than an hour. Two minutes? Both Dubya and Poppy have that same ADD one-hour time limit working against them.
And, of course, if there were any decisions that came at the end of that time, would it be safe to say that we’re, therefore, fucked?
I just don’t even want know where this whole soy turns you gay meme got started. I missed it and glad that I did – otherwise my head might explode at the ridiculousness of it.
I wonder if Dubya got a permission slip again from Condi for a bathroom break?
montag @ 112
As far as Bush’s war is concerned, we’re boned no matter what.
Peterr @ 108
`Round yon danger, executive smiles
montag @ 115
Whole wheat bagels and lox sure are nice
uh-oh. from the Lakoff diary at DKos that Rayne pointed out:
swing voters are biconceptuals
The difference between an orange is a telephone pole because a motorcycle doesn’t have any doors.
Very deep.
OT: I like this guy.
OFG, in your place I might have soy’led myself on the highway today :~)
punaise @ 121
Soy lent green pants a distinct odor?
*Gasp* Pach, Soy it isn’t so!
Rayne, I won’t even get started on mercury in infant vaccinations.
Maybe this is payback by the dairy farmers for all the negative attention that artificial bovine growth hormone has received.
alton @ 124
Mad cows?
My family had a soy farm. I thought there was a lot of denial running around but I had no idea it was in the soyl.
punaise @ 117
Ah, you heard. Normally, I look way down the road for advance notice of trouble. But I had just got on the Interstate and was getting up to speed and a big truck came around me, changing lanes back in front of me, blocking my long-term vision.
The wire/cable fell on top of his box trailer, dropped off the back and halted four feet off the ground, giving me no reaction time.
Good thing it broke before it sliced the truck in half.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 126
The soyl of denial is replenished and enriched by annual floods.
LA time is reporting that the South Dakota Senator did NOT suffer a stroke…
Linky
I’m thinking he’s got the flu – I’m having some wierd bout of something feverish that affects my spoken word… and it is very flu like… he’s got a month to recover…
Eureka Springs,AR @ 125
Would that make your Dad a Soylfieldguy?
What does this say about the Kurds?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 129
He’s more of a bean pole.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 131
Tofu_nny.
OldCoastie @ 129
That’s great for him and great for us. As for any Thugs who were circling like vultures…fuck ‘em sideways.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 131
They’ll whey in shortly, I’m sure.
Peterr @ 134
Ah, but tamari never comes…
Peterr @ 134
Soy vey. There’ll beano word from the Kurds anytime soon.
Aleksandr Soylzhenitsyn wrote about a sticky food concoction: the goo log
Patrick 4/4 @ 124
Soy people, they call me the mad cowboy…
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 130
Why, soytainly!
alton @ 139
Soy people call me Moorice…
EvilDrPuma @ 134
I am at this moment recalling all the months that Strom Thurmond spent in the hospital toward the end, and all the deals made to trade his vote for someone elses. Not much mention of his medical condition then…. Now, a Dem feels a little unwell, stutters and loses his concentration for a few seconds and every freakin’ story has to mention “Cheney the tie-breaker.”
It’s gonna be a long, long couple of years.
Foley liked a soy diet, high in proteen.
Patrick 4/4 @ 140
Tofu!
punaise @ 138
Know it well, the Goo Log, Our Kelp Ego
Eureka Springs,AR @ 143
ouch….
Rayne @ 73
Done.
Well, I’m sleepy.
Soyanara :)
Eeeck Kissinger and Madeleine Albright on Charlie Rose tonight.
Gnight egregious!
egregious @ 148
glad you didn’t lose your tempeh
(((nite egregious)))
egregious @ 148
Soy long….
nite all.
via TPM:
Me to – see you tomorrow.
Oilfieldguy @ 154
drive safely…
Eureka Springs,AR @ 131
Whey off topic.
rest well, OFG… sleep in.
punaise @ 157
er, droive soyfely…
egregious @ 157
aw shucks.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 161
Hull, those are the breaks.
we’re not getting the hull story here
Who would have thought we’d have soy much fun with such a down to earth topic?
punaise @ 163
Shell we pursue this further?
Heh. This amuses me, as my nutrient-poor, highly processed childhood diet has been claimed by at least two people as the cause for my son being gender-confused and mentally unstable.
People and their fixations are just plain weird.
punaise @ 155
Surgery? That does not bode well. There goes the “its just the flu” theory.
DreamingCrow @ 166
Soy is good for the gender confusion. I think conventional food wisdom still pastes the mentally unstable label firmly on Red Dye No. 5
DreamingCrow @ 166
Yup, lack of fiber’ll do that to you, and more…. I can see the label now: “Metamucil cures constipation, warts, mental instability and gender confusion”
Funny disconnect about living on a soy farm in the late 70’s early 80’s. We had no idea about soy milk or so many other possibilities. Only ate a few beans while sitting at the edge of the field during harvest season. For that matter we never consumed or used cotton, rice, wheat, sorgham, milo from the farm. Occasionally we would keep a few bushels of green beans.
meanwhile, soy hell below the Sahel:
montag @ 165
We should rise to the occasion
This thread makes me appreciate FDL so much, I think I’ll go visit the Village Paypal…
Ok, I’m late, but I can climb on here too.
Miso!
punaise @ 171
I didn’t know that James Dobson was a Nigerian legislator, did you?
Mr. Gumbo @ 174
that’s so roux’d :~)
johnSwifty @ 168
Oooooh, the things that I’ve heard blamed on that poor red dye.
montag @ 169
Hum. I wonder what that says about those, like me, who have Crohn’s disease and can’t properly process most kinds of fiber? :p
DreamingCrow @ 166
DreamingCrow, hope people can start offering suport instead of dogma.
Hope all went as well as possible in court.
Thinking about you and your son…
DreamingCrow @ 177
Poor red dye! Why a mere pound of it is enough to kill a lab rat (if it falls from over three feet).
gotta head to the airport to catch a red dye fright….
punaise @ 181
happy contrails, friend
(and if you’re in a window seat, watch out for manhoods burnt on the grass.
Especially if you’re over Iraq.)
punaise @ 180
Just a pigment of your imagination.
punaise @ 181
Be sure to tell the counter agent when asked for your ID, “red dye or not, here I come!”
“Because of the phytoestrogen content, some studies indicate that there is a correlation between a soybean-rich diet and a decrease in the level of testosterone in men, although these findings are controversial.”
–Wikipedia
punaise @ 181
Wolverines!
Wait – that’s “Red Dawn”.
Patrick 4/4 @ 186
Redrum!
Wait – that’s “The Shining.”
oh, by the way, Bush has lost control of the presidency.
kirk murphy @
179
Some ‘em do, but there’s always somebody who is absolutely sure that they know how this was “caused” or that it’s my fault or that my son couldn’t possibly need all the meds that he’s on. :p
It did. They changed the hearing to yesterday, which I didn’t post about because I wasn’t on here much last night. The Boy signed on to the order, so he’s in until just after the holiday. We’ll have to see what happens after that. I’m kind of afraid to hope much.
OK here’s the thing. Every human being is an individual person with their own genetic makeup and medical issues. The one pill cures all, one thing is bad for everybody, one thing is good for everybody culture we perpetuate in this country is the worst thing we do to ourselves. If my skin is allergic to Brand A detergent but your skin isnt, does that mean it should be taken off the market or blamed for causing allergies to everyone? No. Just like one person’s documented trouble with fiber or red dye #5 does not mean you or I will have trouble either.
Science and medicine have really only begun to understand how the human body reacts to things and how disease works in the last hundred years or so. It operates in generalities because the pharmaceuticals businesses make more money operating on this premise. Doctors are taught to generally assess diagnoses and even specialists are taught to pigeonhole patients into specific treatments for narrow parameters of a particular disease when not every patient responds to the standard treatments all the time.
Next time you hear about a study that says X is bad for you, remember X is bad for the percentage of people in one study but that doesnt necessarily include you. Eating bacon and smoking cigarettes is supposed to be bad for you and my grandmother ate fatback and smoked unfiltered cigarettes until she died at the age of 84. Try not to let yourselves get pigeonholed, it could kill you.
“Red dye at night, soylor’s delight. Red dye in morning, soylor’s warning”
punaise @ 188
I didn’t realize Cheney ever gave it to him in the first place.
punaise @ 190
Red dye at night, here I come.
punaise @ 188
Think they got that “sucking” business backwards… :) Morris is the sucker, not the suckee.
montag @ 193
he toed you so?
this ain’t no flu, folks:
montag @ 193
punaise @ 195
Certainly sounds like a stroke or heart attack to me.
montag @
184
Don’t forget to stop at the bank to pick up a dye pack.
punaise @ 195
He’s the pedicure-all for the information blues.
EvilDrPuma @
99
LOL!
My favorite funny comment of the day.
I guess we are off our bean streak.
Raw Story gives conflicting reports on Sen. Johnson’s status.
It also says,
“Concerns are rising that the Democrats’ new Senate power is at risk, should Johnson be too incapacitated to perform his duties. If he were to be forced into retirement, the US Constitution delegates the task of appointing a replacement to South Dakota lawmakers, who often turn that task over to the governor. The governor of the state, Mike Rounds, is a Republican, and both houses of the state legislature are dominated by Republicans.
However, in the case of South Dakota, the decision falls to Rounds, whose appointment would serve as senator until a special election held between 80 and 90 days after the vacancy.
A different statute, though, says that the election would take place in 2008, adding that, “The general election laws shall apply unless inconsistent with this chapter.”
It is unclear at this time which of these seemingly conflicting procedures takes precedence over the other.”
the General wheys in:
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 190
Some things are generally bad all in all. If you soaked enough beans in water and concentrated the resulting cyanic acid to a certain level, it wouldn’t be good for any human.
And, just think of how old granny might have lived without the Pall Mall’s every day.
Speaking of Red….(he said as he launched into a brief diversionary bleg)….
Vote Le Blogue Brub, you’ll be glad you did. It’s easy, and you can do it again tomorrow!
Sure the SpunkyHomeSchoolers are a nice bunch, especially considering they just shut the blog down.
But could they inspire this???
/bleg
Ok, I’ll be the first to ask it:
Has the hospital run any test on Senator Johnson for toxins?
neurophius – I suggested earlier that Big Dawg, rabid lambs and a bunch of lawyers shoud be storming South Dakotas Gov. mansion as we type.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 198
Hard to say, at this point. Could be anything. Something found while doing tests or taking pictures–an artery eroding, something like that.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 202
I only get those after too much chili and beer….
montag @ 209
And I thought you would resort to the string theory.
In my defense, the preview wasn’t working for me.
Nite folks!
Just from what I’ve heard, it sounds as if he’s had a bleed. That is what happened to someone in our family, at around that age, too. Familiar symptoms, etc.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 211
Now, that’s a string bean of a different color….
Margot @ 212
cerebral?
alton @
207
sorry, but people have been asking this all day.
Margot @ 213
“a bleed”? Please explain.
Sounds like Johnson had a stroke
Eureka Springs, yes.
If the senate is tied, who controls committees?
Some people think a stroke is a clogged blood vessel in the brain (blood clot). Others think a stroke is a blood vessel bleeding into the brain.
Aren’t both descriptions correct?
http://www.csmc.edu/2424.html
Another surgery could be a carotid endarterectomy – a sufficiently occluded carotid artery in the neck can cause stroke like symptoms as well as frank stroke. That kind of surgery is usually successful.
Strokes themselves can be hemorrhagic (an intracerebral bleed) or ischemic (blood flow cut off to an area of brain tissue) by embolism or by longstanding atherosclerosis.
AP via Yahoo! News also has this:
“Johnson is the second senator to become ill after the Nov. 7 election. Wyoming Sen. Craig Thomas (news, bio, voting record), a Republican, was diagnosed with leukemia on Election Day. He is back at work.”
cnn is reporting “brain surgery” – hard to know what’s going on…
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 190
Fini, I so appreciate most all of your comments here.
And it’s 10:15 and I still have to cook dinner ’cause clinic was overbooked.
But with all due respect, I’ve no doubt your direct observations are accurate.
I’ve also no doubt that those direct observations in no way invalidate assessment of risk factors (using statistical and epidemiologic tools) in large groups.
One theme of the Mighty Wurlitzer is that biomedical epidemiology is crap.
Too bad the tumors say otherwise.
The following statement is – most charitably – woefully uninformed.
The deep strucure of testable hypotheses upon which all science rests predates Pig Pharma by a few millenia.
I have to go make dinner.
If I seem curt, you may wish to consider your ignorant statement completely slanders me and hundreds – if not thousands – of other people I have worked and trained with.
Are all musicians drug addicts?
Are all cocktail waitresses whores?
Are all female cops dykes?
Are all motorcycle cops gay?
Do these offensive stereotypical questions illustrate how offensive and prejudiced the occupational assumptions in your comment may seem?
Bonus question:
Fini, if the tree of allopathic medicinne is really so poisoned, does this mean you have sworn off ALL manufactured meds for life – all surgery – all anesthesia – for you, your parents, yor kids?
Or – is this just a trendy rhetorical pose?
OK for you to wear in public where other people talk about their real health needs, but not what you do in real life?
Nice question? No.
But the choices people make on the basis of social pressure to decline useful care kills and wounds thousands of people with psych disorders every year.
So no apologies for the questions.
Suzanne, yes, I think both are correct.
Margot @ 227
Thanks, Margot. I think the Senator’s office might be splitting hairs with the “no stroke” statement.
South Dakota – per wiki
population 754,844
14th in size (acres)
Senator Johnsons wiki page paints a very conservative picture of him.
They could be operating on a brain tumor or other structural abnormality. If his symptoms were consistent with seizure activity (partial complex seizures can occur without loss of consciousness), I think a jump straight to the O.R. would be less likely since anticonvulsant medication could be used to buy time until a decision is made to operate or not. Tumors and other structural anomalies can result in ictal events or plain functional deficit. I’m not a neurosurgeon, but I think signs of plain functional deficit with an identifiable and operable cause could result in a rapid decision to have surgery.
I think I’ll wait for the dr’s explanation… all this speculation is very nervewracking…
prayers for the senator and his family…
OldCoastie – truly, without more information and clarification about what is considered ’surgery’, speculation is just that. The range of possibilities isn’t all that great though. This sounds serious, but it’s always better to get treatment before a massive organ event occurs than after.
Last spring, I thought it was crazy when my healthy father was told he needed an angiogram after the 11th minute of a completely normal treadmill exam picked up something odd. After the angiogram, he didn’t even go home – had a quintuple bypass. Critical occlusion in four vessels and 70% in another. Fortunately for him, they caught it before a massive heart attack. It’s a lot easier to recover from surgery before a heart attack than after. He’s six months out and doing great.
As scary as this is for Senator Johnson, until we hear something definitive and based on what is known, I’m optimistic.
Prayers for the Senator and his family indeed.
If sunshine is the answer then the NYT sees it coming. I hope Christy sees this fruitage.
Get out the meme. The sun is gonna shine again.
agreed, Muzzy – whatever is going on, it was caught early (or at least earlier)… and while surgery is always risky (and us not having a clue on what is going on) and scary, it’s certainly better sooner than later…
I’ll be optimistic until there is something definitive to be pessimistic about…
g’ night, all… we will see what the morning holds…
Since TRex isn’t here tonight to do it himself, I thought it was worth sharing Pandagon’s latest on Althouse.
Thinking of Sen. Johnson while watching “Enemy of the State” and alphabetizing papers and exams…
I found some video of the ICE immigration raid in Colorado yesterday.
The Tribune has a link at that page for A Day to remember-Swift ICE raid, a QuickTime movie that runs several minutes, no reporter talking, just people who were there. Check out the buses they used to take people away! No identifying marks, and completely obscured windows. You can’t see who’s in them at all.
I just wish they’d lose the music in it, but whatever.
For the latecomers and early risers, a bit more in the latest CNN story on Johnson.
The story suggests that it is brain surgery he’s undergoing, and that he deteriorated after the event that prompted the initial concern. Went back to his office under his own power, went to work, came out a few minutes later, obviously ill and having some trouble with his right arm. That’s when his staff got him to lay down and called the ambulance and scooted him off to GWU Hospital.
Good morning, everyone. Today’s NYT columnists, dragged out from behind the firewall:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
David Brooks, “The Sidney Awards.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Bob Herbert, “Sunrise and Sunset.”
Now I’m off to get my cuppa, in hopes that the drizzly day will look more attractive after my eyes open and my heart starts beating again.
Mornin’.
montag @ 239
I wonder if he threw a blood clot.
Ed*ard Teller @ 237
Yea, I wish that wasn’t my third reaction after horror and then praying for him. Probably it is of natural causes, it’s just a sorry state of affairs that such things are even thinkable.
The speculation on NPR this morning (and at least they’re SAYING it’s speculation) is that it was possibly an aneurysm. From the skimpy description of his symptoms it sounds like something intracranial.
Post says he’s out of surgery.
And now the MCA kicks into action:
Here is all that the Constitution says on the matter of habeas corpus:
Mornin’ all!
CNN says Johnson currently in critical condition
Morning, twolf1 — will catch you upstairs.
Need to give Christy a hand with shoveling, from the looks of it.
Christy’s back. New thread upstairs
to follow up on Pachacutec in #60, I think there was a study that said gay men tend to be above average in the, well, umm, blush…. :D
YAY, US!
I wouldn’t sing praises of soy all that much. It does have something called phytoestrogens which can cause a host of problems in mammals; especially with their endocrine systems over time. Hell, Britain issued a warning on soy based infant formulas several years ago as suspect in causing thyroid malfunction. Consider that soy is used in much of our processed foods since the 80’s just as corn syrup was replacing syrup and diabetes exploded!
An easy read on this can be found here, and just do a web search.
The confusion here is too much estrogen can cause feminization of males, but, that is not the same as being gay. There are many effeminate men who are quite heterosexual, while there are many “manly” men who are homosexual. Something else is at work and it is not soy, as unhealthy as that can be!
kirk murphy @
226
I’m willing to apologize to you personally if you were offended, but I am going to provide you with my own experiences as examples of how I came to hold such thoughts in my mind.
I’ve got a condition that is one of those types of diseases that have no known treatment because Big Pharma simply won’t do the research to find treatments for less than 50,000 patients worldwide. I am forced to find my own treatments because in my state I am one of about 10 people statewide with this condition.
Pardon me if I have a chip on my shoulder Kirk, it’s not caused by you and your colleagues. It is caused by the bean counters who pay your paychecks. When drugs can be tailored to specific genetic makeups we will finally have the ability to take care of the folks like me that fall through the cracks, but until then it will continue to be a numbers game for the bean counters as to which treatments get R&D $$$.
I refuse pharmaceuticals regularly. I use natural remedies for all of life’s little ailments these days. If I get into a situation which will require anesthetic I may go without the surgery, even if it results in my death. I am not afraid to die of natural causes, which is why the medical-pharmaceutical complex exists in the first place.
My parents are both dead. Most recently my mother had a plethora of pharmaceuticals pumped through her body in a failed effort to eradicate lung and brain cancers that took her anyway. I know for a fact after witnessing her experiences firsthand the pharmaceuticals did much more damage than we were told they would do and seriously degraded her quality of life. Having her in a drug induced stupor for the better part of two years only to have her die anyway has left me a little bitter so maybe you’ll forgive my point of view.
Because of my conditions I never married, never had children because I refuse to pass on my genes. I decided to pour my energies into other areas where I can leave a legacy. For me, none of this is a trendy rhetorical pose, it is a lifestyle choice I have made because I have had no other choice available to me.
I would love to get treated, to not have to live the way I do. But as for your umbrage I can only say you need to walk in my shoes and get a different perspective on what you hold sacred. For some of us, what you hold sacred we hold in contempt because we have been abused by the system as it is currently structured.
We both can agree that human suffering is horrible and we both would like to see it lessened. And working in generalities to ease that suffering works most of the time in your business, but I am proof that it doesnt work that way all the time. To pretend that it does slanders me and all the patients abandoned to no treatment or substandard treatment because your sacred system can’t fit us into the program.