
Couldn't sleep, checked my e-mail and was astonished:
Pentagon's plan: More U.S. troops in Iraq -- Boosting presence and aid, and an anti-Sadr offensive, carry risks but offer the best path to victory, military officials say.
By Julian E. Barnes, Times Staff Writer
10:25 PM PST, December 12, 2006WASHINGTON -- As President Bush weighs new policy options for Iraq, strong support has coalesced in the Pentagon behind a military plan to "double down" in the country with a substantial buildup in American troops, an increase in industrial aid and a major combat offensive against Muqtada Sadr, the radical Shiite leader impeding development of the Iraqi government.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff will present their assessment and recommendations to Bush at the Pentagon today. Military officials, including some advising the chiefs, have argued that an intensified effort may be the only way to get the counterinsurgency strategy right and provide a chance for victory.
The approach overlaps somewhat a course promoted by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz). But the Pentagon proposals add several features, including the confrontation with Sadr, a possible renewed offensive in the Sunni stronghold of Al Anbar province, a large Iraqi jobs program and a proposal for a long-term increase in the size of the military.
Such an option would appear to satisfy Bush's demand for a strategy focused on victory rather than disengagement. It would disregard key recommendations and warnings of the Iraq Study Group, however, and provide little comfort for those fearful of a long, open-ended U.S. commitment in the country. Only 12% of Americans support a troop increase, whereas 52% prefer a fixed timetable for withdrawal, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.
"I think it is worth trying," a defense official said. "But you can't have the rhetoric without the resources. This is a double down" — the gambling term for upping a bet.
Such a proposal, military officials and experts caution, would be a gamble. Any chance of success probably would require major changes in the Iraqi government, they said. U.S. Embassy officials would have to help usher into power a new coalition in Baghdad that was willing to confront the militias. And the strategy also would require more U.S. spending to increase the size of the U.S. military and for an Iraqi jobs program.
What Bush is doing is gambling that he can crush the Sadrist movement while taking on the Sunni guerrillas in Anbar Province, the one the Marines say they no longer can control.
He has been convinced by Cheney that if they take this risk, they might save Iraq.
In short, Cambodia, 1970.
A jobs program? When they did that, the Sadrist mullahs got all the credit in Sadr City. 70 perecent of all Iraqis want us gone. A jobs program doesn't make that occupation any more palatable.
The plan is to stage a coup to install the new, US-owned government, and then launch the Go Big plan. The problem is that the US thinks that they can shove aside or break the Sadr movement. which represents the vast majority of Iraqis. The Iraqi exiles think that he's a bumpkin and can be dealt with. I expect that they will realize how he has outflanked them at every move when the Mahdi Army beats back their scheme.
The New York Times has reported that the Mahdi Army has 60,000 men under arms. Most of whom are trigger pullers. The US will be able to send less than 10,000 American and Iraqi grunts on the ground. And I think 60K is low. Very low.
So, if you were an Iraqi, and the US replaced your government, would you have any loyalty to a bunch of exile schemers.
And as coup plots go, I would not be shocked to see Sadr strike first and deal with the plotters who organize in the White House. Then flood the streets with protestors
But this insanity means Congress must act.
There needs to be a Joint Committee to investigate the Conduct of the Iraq War. Harry Truman became famous investigating war contractors.
Congress needs to quickly establish oversight and demand all the players explain why this last great push will work better than the other great pushes, and why after pushing democracy, we sponsor a coup.
The ISG, imperfect as it was, was cover for Bush to wind down his failed war. So now, like a spiteful teenager, he's gonna show us all that he was right and Go Big, regardless of what anyone thinks.
Needless to say, this is a disaster in the making.
This offensive will fail because they don't have the men to win. When it does fail, Bush and Cheney should resign or be impeached. Because they will have killed Americans and Iraqis for no good reason except Bush's ego. And Congress needs to demand answers from these men.
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FUBAR!
Ouch!
Impeached and tried for war crimes.
Hi Steve.
The mother of all shit storms.
How do they plan to double down without feet on the ground?
What equipment do they plan to use?
Do they have an escape route?
Is this a classic example of “Cannon Fodder”?
Steve, your analysis is nails, as always.
Juan Cole certainly interesting today:
What a mess.
I was surprised with this story this morning also- It’s not being heralded as an administration plan- but surely the White House wanted it leaked for some reason..
It was brought up by Hadley and some others recently and was described by some as a (very small) build up to cover an ensuing draw down..What was being discussed at that time was 10,000 or so incremental troops for a short time- now they are talking 40,000- also for a short time…
Few will believe that these few extra troops will make a difference- what will they do?
As far as Sadr is concerned- the US could certainly defeat him in a force against force confrontation where air and artillery power could take full effect…of course a big chunk of Baghdad would likely be destroyed and MANY bitter enemies of both the US and the Iraqi govt would be created– and these would be shia..
Might try a game of chicken and see if Sadr backs down–if he doesn’t then we’ve got a wild one comin..
Maybe Clusterfuck thinks that americans want to see a REAL war- army against army- with the vaunted US airforce brought into play- smart bombs- shock and awe- that’ll get em back in the game.
No shit, are they going to empty South Korea to do it? Kim Jong Il will be very ronery if they do…
Things are fixin’ to get much worse in Iraq and the region generally. The penultimate fuckup of Bush’s fuckup-laden life. No one should be the least bit surprised.
A news item I read a while ago:
____
Bush Planning “Something Big” On Iraq
The White House announced yesterday that President Bush’s speech announcing his new policies for Iraq won’t be given until January. The reason? CNN’s The Situation Room mentioned “senior administration officials” who suggested Bush wants more time because he “is planning to do something big” namely, he is “very seriously considering agreeing with John McCain and increasing troop levels.” In fact, the Los Angeles Times reports on its front page that “strong support has coalesced in the Pentagon behind a military plan to ‘double down’ in the country with a substantial buildup in…troops, an increase in industrial aid and a major combat offensive against Muqtada Sadr, the radical Shiite leader impeding development of the Iraqi government.” The Times also notes that strategy would overlap “somewhat a course promoted by” McCain. And the Washington Times says “top military officials with whom Mr. Bush met yesterday backed Mr. McCain’s stance.” …
_
Needless to say, this is a disaster in the making.
This offensive will fail because they don’t have the men to win. When it does fail, Bush and Cheney should resign or be impeached. Because they will have killed Americans and Iraqis for no good reason except Bush’s ego. And Congress needs to demand answers from these men.
Yup!
Although the build-up plan serves the other point of the necessary fiction as far as Bush & his enablers go. When this again fails, and the disaster becomes even bigger it will force Congress to cut off funding for the war.
And all the sudden Bush & Company will push the lie that the Democrats lost the war for them.
And that, if this plan is acted on, is the “best case scenario”
It’s disgusting, and it is all about people dying for their vanity.
Jane- Yeah that’s a VERY interesting story- and one that someone obviously wants out there…
Could it be that Cheney requested the threat from the Saudis to point out the consequences of withdrawal?
Beats me- this story is so tangled it’s hard to take anything at face value.
Bobby- so what’s the ULTIMATE fuckup of Clusterfuck’s life?
rwcole @ 6
The biggest problem was the best thing the US had going for it (in the good old days before Shrub broke the army) was the PERCEPTION that the US was unbeatable.
Now that they know we can be beaten, every guy looking to make his bones as a terrorist or a rebellion leader is gonna call us out.
We will be putting out wildfires left over from this war for generations to come
Reminds me of McCain’s lone questioning, “Don’t we need more troops?” Obviously this was the plan all along.
insanity
McCain was talking about sending 100,000 troops- Clusterfuck is threatening to send up to 40,000- which still gives McCain wiggle room..
McCain’s idea- apparently- is to demand a number of troops that he knows damned well we don’t HAVE- that way his idea will never be tested..
If Clusterfuck comes close to his number, McCain will have to up it..
200,000 anyone?
I’m tryin to figure out how McCain figures that this is gonna get him into the White House- I don’t see the scenario yet.
Maybe tony the snowball can explain the shiny new plan for more grotesque destruction– he’s coming up on cspan.
Hope the press has their hip waders on tight and some real questions ready.
(I sure wish they would take some pointers from the British reporters who gave no quarter to the chimp or his lapdog the other day}
I want EVERYONE WHO AGREES WITH THIS STRATEGY to have skin in the game
your son, your brother, your daughter ON THE FRONT LINE
if you do not have skin in the game YOU HAVE NO FRIGGING BUSSINESS claiming “it’s worth the shot”
WHO THE FRIG ARE YOU claiming it’s “worth the shot”
are YOUR kids risking their lives?
no?
THEN HAVE A NICE CUP OF SHUT THE FUCK UP
The White House is going to roll the dice. ISG was the pass key to start the withdrawal. It was thrown away. The intention of the USA is to recolonize Iraq and to control 20% of the world’s oil supply. The puppet government has to control Baghdad. US troops will surge. The Mahdi Militia will be attacked since they represent the anti-colonial opposition. Sadr City home to millions will be destroyed. Nothing will change except the USA will be at war with all of Islam and sooner or later oil shipment out of the Middle East will be cut off.
BobbyG @
8
Bobby - do you have a link for the story from which you quoted, please?
Might try a game of chicken and see if Sadr backs down
That does not sound like a smart bet…
The Bush administration’s knack for infallibly doing the Exact Wrong Thing will be regarded by future historians with a certain horrified awe.
There’s a bit of baseball folk wisdom that you have to be a pretty good pitcher to *lose* 20 games - otherwise you wouldn’t still be pitching. I think history will admire Bush’s personal survival skills, that have allowed him to remain in office for six years despite being the presidential equivalent of Inspector Clouseau without the charm and blind luck.
Yeah, there is so much disinformation swirling around now it is really undecipherable.
But it is starting to look like the lines are being drawn for a larger regional conflict.
Needless to say, Bush will clusterfuck this in a bad way. Past is prologue, you know.
Look for someone to make a move before the US does.
-GSD
Jim S @ 17
;(
So, how far is our brand new, shiny permanent
baseembassey from Sadr City? Air strikes might not be such a good idea if nearby.Needless to say…
They chould change the name of Anbar to FUBAR.
Cut-off the funding and impeach them both…
THIS is what happens when you don’t impeach a war criminal quickly——he spills more blood.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah has warned Vice President Dick Cheney that Saudi Arabia would back the Sunnis if the United States pulls out of Iraq, according to a senior American official.
The Saudi King busted Cheney’s balls and they are going to cash in the long-shot investment they made in GWB years ago. I think GWB is delaying the announcement of of “go-big for the win” until the troop “rotation” is to begin next year. The “rotation” will be “all in”, none out.
War crimes trials are happening right now, kids, but looks like they are going the wrong way. US Army prosecutor says he will subpoena Truthout editor, reporters in Lt Ehren Watada court martial. Oh shit.
And they’re going to need lawyers if that happens.
BobbyG @ 8
And so, a Pyrrhic victory: if Bush follows McCain’s plan, and when that plan fails, Bush incidentally destroys the only talking point the GOP’s 2008 favorite has come up with to date. (Not that I think that talking point was going to do McCain much good in the long run.)
All we need to do now is get a progressive, anti-war Democratic candidate through the primaries. The GOP is pretty clearly playing to lose for ‘08.
OK. I’ve turned the TV back on after a week, and - OMIG*D! Who dresses Tony Snow? I’m tempted to turn the dang thing back off.
There is a term in the mechanical world when you can’t figure out what is wrong with a vehicle.
It is called ‘The Shotgun Method’.
Just throw parts at it until you hit the right one.
Sounds vaguely familiar to this upside down mess.
What say all about the potential for Bush to utilize the new-fangled bunker buster “mini” nooks? I gotta say the potential exists. Their “successful” use would make Dubya a hero to himself and to those in the 25 percent Hannity/Limbaugh/OReilly/VanSusteren/Beck/McGlaughlin/King/Falwell/Dobson/Benedict camp.
ET–I thought it was just bad video from my ‘puter since my cable tv is down.
It’s bad.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 18
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/p.....061213.htm
Steve @ 25
Perhaps this is the “double down” bring in the new troops early and keep the tired troops around for a final battle.
Mission accomplished martini’s anyone?
If nothing else, this is proof positive that alcohol causes brain damage.
Mommybrain, on the map, look at the Green Zone. That’s the US embassy compound.
Sadr City is the big red area on the right. Looks like it is within mortar distance.
-GSD
Remember prior to 9/11 Mahsood Shah was taken out in Afghanistan. Look for a some assassinations and then look for the deluge to come. Al Sadr and Al Maliki have just bolstered their security details.
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
He he, It’s a sign, ET! Snow the pimp.
What say all about the potential for Bush to utilize the new-fangled bunker buster “mini” nooks?
Combining this with Mommybrain’s earlier comment:
Anbar = America Nukes Beyond All Recognition.
I agree with you that this will be a serious test of the heart of the new congress. Pelosi says they will not cut funding for troops. However, wil they build the case to resist augmenting funding for more troops?
The thought crosses my mind that the republicans are setting this up as a trap–dems cut off the support for additional troops, and this is what sets up a more viable John McCain.
On the other hand, it is a perilous trap, with 82% of Americans wanting a drawdown of troops.
Eureka Springs,AR @ 36
According to the Pimp Name Generator, that’s “Sugartastic T. Loco” to you.
. Massoud was assassinated in September 2001. By the order of Afghanistan’s President Hamid Karzai, Ahmad Shah Massoud was named “National Hero” the following year in 2002.
he was assassinated September 9, 2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Shah_Massoud
RIP.
shorter tony snow - it’s hard work. chimpy is working hard and the iraqi gov’t is working hard… it’s hard work
hackworth @ 30
I tell you, this is one of the reasons why I am really unnerved by Bush’s constant self-comparisons to Truman….In Bush’s pickled mind Truman was the only US president with the “balls”(in Bush’s stunted logic) to use nuclear weapons….He so wants to be Harry S Truman that he may opt for that part of the Truman legacy.
-GSD
twolf1 @ 41
Still shorter Sugartastic T. Loco:
(Barely audible drooling sounds)
Oh, and I think Bush is just dying to use nukes. Not for any strategic reason - he just sees Iraq and Iran as the Biggest Frogs Ever.
What a shock—the Pentagon recommends more war.
Have they ever recommended less war?
As one who thinks we have way too much military, I’m objectively for letting the Pentagon blow its entire load as fast as possible.
But think of the coming deaths—the pain will not be felt by those making these decisions. It will be felt in little agonizing pieces all across America, in the hearts of everyone who knew these kids, the promise snuffed out for nothing, and the anguish of having to continue living day by day with loss.
Eureka Springs,AR @
36
He gives pimps a bad name, in terms both of honesty and satorial
taste.
still shorter snow - the only reason chimpy is taking so long to the the American people know what his decideration is, is so the impression is given that he has listened to everyone and deliberated 24/7
Steve @ 25
Methinks the Saudis have been backing and will continue to back their Sunni brethren in Iraq regardless of what the US does or does not do.
Obi Wan Kenobi warned us about the “dark times”. I think they are upon us.
-GSD
Tony says we will never know what the conversation between the King and Dick was– it’s in the strictest confidence.
m’kay.
I think it’s Cheney for the most part these days. Junior…given the right medication, he might go for anything. But ol’ Dead Eye isn’t ready to cut the purse strings just yet.
I was on this rant all morning, then things got better with the Bonilla thread, now I’m depressed again.
Either way you slice, dice or play at punditry, more kids are going to die and that’s just all there is to it. We might minimize those deaths if there wasn’t a cabal of self interested assholes in charge, but there is, and that’s all there is to that, too.
angie @ 50
And even stricter discipline.
The Green Zone is surrounded. This scares me. I remember visiting the Custer battlefield monument. And the Alamo. Is it possible that the Green Zone could be attacked massively and the people inside rescued with many deaths among the rescuers? Isn’t it true that now there isn’t any real battlefield - with sides and lines, territories to be won and uniforms and insignia on the bombs? But couldn’t that change? Amb. Wilson thinks we should be concerned about troops having to fight their way out. That’s what that map looks like. We’re surrounded. And troops spread thin on the outskirts will be isolated, maybe abandoned if the center is attacked. I’m really scared about how bad this could get, so why isn’t Bush?
GSD @ 49
So did Tolkien, I mean Gandalf.
EvilDrPuma @ 52
707!
;(
If nothin else, Clusterfuck is succeeding in making himself the center of attention for another month in his long war against lameduckiness..
Congratulations- Clusterfuck- ya ain’t got the brains God gave a goose- but ya throw a REAL good TANTRUM.
EvilDrPuma @ 52
Lordy! Thanks Dr. I needed that. May I have another?
still shorter snow - the only reason chimpy is taking so long to the the American people know what his decideration is, is so the impression is given that he has listened to everyone and deliberated 24/7
Like his “Moody Prince Stemlet” routine before 9/11.
Eli @ 44
Frogblasters know that Giant frogs require giant firecrackers.
Ed*ard Teller @ 46
Not to mention that jacket and tie combo. Where is the Abramoff hat?
snow - “cheney and abdullah could have talked about the red sox spending x million dollars on a japanese pitcher”
Tony Snow says things are slow in Afghanistan because of the snows.
wtf is he smoking?
Now he’s giving props to Musharraf. Nothing to see here, move along.
Mrs. Robinson,
It is the same hubris that got us into this in the first place.
There had been rumors of a planned Sunni/Al Qaeda/Insurgent assault on the Green Zone.
Sure, it could all be lots of bluster a la the Information Minister….but it could also be a plan too.
Not to mention that the US may be planning on a push against Al Sadr. I get the feeling they have solidified their power and re-armed since the last US push against him…..It is going to be ugly. Brace yourselfs, the idiots in charge don’t know what they are doing and they haven’t learned a thing in 6 years.
-GSD
This from the NY Sun article on Avigdor Lieberman’s US visit:
He said the reception he has received has changed. “When I spoke even two, three years ago, everyone said, ‘You are radical, you are crazy,’” he said. Now, he says, people complain he isn’t going far enough. One measure of the increasing seriousness with which Mr. Lieberman is being considered is that on his visit to America, a Lieberman with a more moderate reputation, the newly re-elected senator from Connecticut, made time for a meeting with him.
http://www.nysun.com/article/45120
Has anybody seen an article about the Lieberman-Lieberman meeting yesterday?
On the Today Show about two weeks or so ago, Tom Friedman said the only way to engage the mess in Iraq is a complete military reoccupation. He then said this was impractical. Looks like this is now being planned.
Questions: Does the US have the troops? Will the new (Democratic led) Congress really allow this to happen?
Frank Rich said over a week ago that Bush is “untettered from reality.” That is to say: He is psychotic.
If Bush goes ahead with (or is even thinking about) this plan, then he’ll be acting out his psychosis.
Here’s how dictionary.com defines psychosis:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychosis
twolf1 @ 61
what a completely rude response.
BobbyG @ 9:43 am - Thank you very much for the link you provided.
Ed*ard Teller @ 64
Nope. *sigh– my prediction came true*
That excerpt is positively chilling.
rwcole - lameduckiness! Teehee.
Re: Boosh and mini nookular devices
Well, that thought completes the list of worries that keeps me up at night. I have no confidence in anyone, not even Barney, being able to talk sense into ol’Fustercluck once he decides to decide that decision. He will unleash the hounds of hell quicker than you can find a bunker.
See ya around 2am.
Where are you watching Tony blow?
Mommybrain @ 70
cspan
cspan
the next obvious question… why are you watching tony blow ;)
snow - “OBL apparently does remain at large…”
Isn’t this exactly what we did two months ago?
And a few months prior to that?
And a few more months prior to that one?
And say… the last few years worth of months… All the DOD suggests is to throw more troops at it. After a while, it has got to improve, NO?
I mean, think of the odds… they treat it like they are in Reno. High odds but sooner or later you’re bound to win something… or you crap out.
Say, anybody got a few extra $$$$$ and a son or daughter to wager?
Steve, thanks so much. It’s hard to overestimate the contributions you have made towards educating us all.
Is our attack on the Mahdi army a suckup to Saudi Arabia? Presumably the Shia depend on the Madhi army as one of their primary defenses against the Sunnis?
Also, this is urban warfare in a heavily civilian environment, classic 4G war. Our land, air, and sea, supremacy doesn’t count for anything when it’s a battle for “hearts and minds.”
GSD @ 9:58
IIRC, it’s a matter of when, not if.
I can’t find the article but I remember seeing it about a week ago. The Green zone is going to be hit hard.
Clusterfuck’s got center stage with his great “analysis” charade. Some are leaking that “he was actually there- awake- and asked some questions at the meetings” He met with the ISG for a WHOLE HOUR- yep- I’m not making this up!!
Looks like the next step is to create a legislative coup to get rid of “heckofajob” Miliki..
Then let’s say he brings in 20,000 more troops for six months (that’s about all he can muster) and then he picks some kind of a fight with Sadr in which he’s able to bomb and strafe and make a general nuisance of himself..GREAT HUH..We’ll all be watchin the bombs falling and cheerin on the good guys
Next–Clusterfuck declares victory- says that his build up idea was exactly what was needed- and starts a slow draw down of troops. drawing down to say 50,000 or so in well fortified bases and with lots of air power etc. He’ll try to make sure US casualties are WAY down and that the cost of the war is “sustainable” (no one will bitch too much about it compared to what the fuckhead is spending NOW- then we’re in our permanent bases with bright shiny faces- and ready to wait out the ten years it will take before we can start pumpin the oil out freely…
That’s my guess as to where this thing is headed.
Clusterfuck needs the build up and hot war to calm the right- and the draw down to calm the sane.
snow asked about bonilla’s defeat - prez is sad and he will be missed. boo f@#kin hoo
snow - it’s not a significant defeat
reporter - looking back, was redistricting a mistake?
snow - that’s a texas matter…
reporter - about being part of the union? lol
twolf1 @ 61
Its all a big secret not unlike the secret energy task force. Merken people should not burden their beautiful minds with the desire for knowledge. We should go shopping.
We must trust our leaders to protect us and make the right decisions for us. Dick is a smart and sensible man.
I know I always have a few drinks before and during shotgun events.
Ackkk! That tie? With the pinstripes? Lordy.
He so reminds me, in looks, of a dear friend who was in radio and has the same timbre but egad, the condescension! What a twatt (Terrible Wanker..and that Tie!)
OT
Watertiger is reporting that actor Peter Boyle has died.
http://www.dependablerenegade.com/
Mommybrain @ 81
i think it’s a support our troops tie - it looks like those little magnetic ribbons
And now Tony Blow says:
“No nation has been more aggressive on the diplomatic front than this one.”
I didn’t know that “aggressive” and “thumb twiddling” were the same thing.
snow claims they have talked to syria and they continue diplomatic relations w/ syria
Bustednuckles @ 82
I’m with Watertiger: screw “Everybody Loves Raymond.” Peter Boyle–Best. Frankenstein’s. Monster. Evah.
Peter Boyle RIP.
Oh and Tony says we are the bestest government in the world wrt Darfur.
(y’all didn’t know that, did you?)
ditto Steve !
sneak blogging from work and was absolutely horrified to see their plans for an anti-Sadr offensive -
the resulting rivers of blood, heartache and pain for Iraqi and American families will be unbearable
where are the 9 ret. generals now ?!?! does anyone with any juice have a clue as to what is going to happen ?
jeebus, no really, jeebus
Tony
Yeah- Clusterfuck finally found a press secretary with no fuckin conscience at all- which was what was needed.. Some of the others used ta get a little down in the mouth after several consecutive months of lying through their teeth- this guy actually gets ENERGIZED by it.
…snow successfully dodges another helen thomas question…
Attaturk @ 84
Oooooo-kay.
Sneaking Away In the Dark of the Night
by emptywheel
“Alright, I’ll be right up front about this. I’m posting this thread to do nothing more than invite baseless speculation about why the Saudi Ambassador to the US, Prince Turki al-Faisl, just up and left yesterday with no notice.
The WaPo provides one possible explanation: because his brother, Saud al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia’s Foreign Minister is “ailing.” Perhaps Prince Turki is running home for a good old power struggle. Heck. If I were Bandar Bush, the Ambassador to the US for just about forever, I think I’d like the job too. So maybe Prince Turki needs to be home to place his claim to the position. (It is perhaps appropriate, at this juncture, to remind readers there was a good deal of funkiness with Bandar’s own departure. Just so we remember how whimsical these Saudis can be.)”[…]
i was reading that bush was postponing announcing the new plan til january…. how would you want to be the parents of one of the 30-50 u.s. soldiers that will be killed this month that bush doesn’t want to spill his plans for christmas?
and THEN, more troops?? wouldn’t be surprised if some grunts parent goes hinckley on us.
EvilDrPuma @ 91
Especially under President Dubya. He is a great proponent of diplomacy at the barrel of a gun.
from JPost (Jerusalem Post):
Rice said that she was aware of Lieberman’s diplomatic plan. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Robert Danin reportedly said that Rice treated Lieberman better than any Israeli visitor in the past two years.
When Hadley asked Lieberman about developments on the Israeli political map, Lieberman responded by outlining his proposal for electoral reform.
In meetings described as positive, Lieberman spoke with Negroponte for an hour, with Rice for 45 minutes and Hadley for half an hour. They compared their assessments on Iran, as well as different options, intentions and deadlines. Rice, who is an expert on the Cold War, spoke to Lieberman in Russian and also quizzed him about Russian politics.
Lieberman also met with Democratic senators Tom Lantos and Joseph Lieberman, who are set to chair the Senate Foreign Relations and Homeland Security and Government Affairs committees. Minister Lieberman spoke to Senator Lieberman about cooperation on homeland security. They also played the game of Jewish geography but did not discover any family connections.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....e/ShowFull
snow job over
OT, but speaking of Watertiger, I must complement her fine captioning job yesterday.
rwcole @
78
Do you think if Sadr isn’t crushed after the last US assault, he’s gonna let US bases be resupplied by road? I don’t think so.
If they do this and lose, the US will have to leave Iraq.
I never believe anything anymore from this crew. Tony can blow all he wants, it’s all a snowjob. They don’t want to “tell the enemy all our secrets”, including us.
“wouldn’t be surprised if some grunts parent goes hinckley on us.”
Funny, I was just thinking that it’s a wonder no one has done that yet (that we know about).
An addition to @95..
On the Iranian threat, Mr. Lieberman said Iran’s nuclear ambitions are “the biggest threat” to Jewry since World War II. “Ahmadinejad is not a rational player,” he said of the Iranian president. “Any attempt to pacify him is like before the second World War in Europe.”
Iraq war made the Afgan war the forgotten war: nuking Iran will make the Iraq war the forgotten war..problem solved.
Steve wrt our supply lines: Bullseye!
OT - “Of the 383 pieces of legislation that were signed into law during the two-year 109th Congress, more than one-quarter dealt with naming or renaming federal buildings and structures — primarily post offices — after various Americans.”