
Greymail and CIPA review class:
Yesterday PowWow posted an excerpt from a December 11th Order by Judge Walton in the Libby case. I immediately checked the Court's electronic filing system called Pacer and all I found was a page with a caption box that had totally been redacted out. So, first of all, mad props to PowWow whose research skills have left me humbled and awestruck. The excerpt PowWow posted can be found here. The bottom line of the decision is:
ORDERED that the government’s Supplemental Motion Pursuant to CIPA Section 6(c) for Substitutions in Lieu of Disclosure of Classified Information is GRANTED.
This decision comes after, and relies upon, an exhaustive 38 page decision rendered by Judge Walton on December 1st which was originally wholly redacted (like so many tantalizing items on that docket sheet). However, in a subsequent ruling, Judge Walton ordered Team Fitz to work on declassifying as much of that decision as possible. In yesterday's ruling he orders Team Fitz to try to declassify as much of his December 8th ruling as possible. (the December 8th ruling is another blank page. Sigh.)
So, in order to understand the significance of yesterday's ruling, we have to examine the December 1st ruling.
The December 1st decision came as a result of a series of hearings that began on September 27th pursuant to Section 6(a) of the Classified Information Procedures Act (CIPA) concerning the "use, relevancy, and admissibility" during trial of certain classified documents and information that Irving wishes to use as part of his defense.
First a refresher about CIPA. CIPA was created in an effort to prevent the "greymail" defense. Greymail is a defense maneuver made popular during the Iran Contra investigations. Greymail is a tactic whereby the defendant claims that he MUST MUST MUST use one or more pieces of information, which just happens to be classified, in the defense of his case. The Government, usually on the same page with itself, is left to decide which it prefers--which is more important to the public good--keeping it's classified information secret or prosecuting this individual.
In cases where the greymailing defendant is let's say an illegal arms dealer, that analysis makes some sense. However, when the defendant is a high ranking member of the government and has friends and colleagues making the decision about declassification, there is an inherent conflict of interest within the government. So, on the one hand you have the prosecutor who will usually feel that any non-super-secret secrets maybe should be declassified and on the hand, friends and colleagues of the high ranking member of government who think nothing should be declassified because otherwise the case against their buddy will be dismissed.
This gets more complicated because normally the entity that OK's declassifying a given piece of information or document is the OCA (Original Classifying Agency). Well, if you happen to be Dick Cheney's right hand man and Dick Cheney was the OCA for most of the documents you want to use, oh, and if many people speculate that you are the firewall protecting ole' Deadeye, well........ hells bells, poor Fitz really had his work cut out for him didn't he?
So, came the hearings. Lots of hearings. Hearings on 9/27, 9/28, 10/3, 10/26, 10/30 and 11/1. And at least 11 separate filings of briefs, declarations and other writings by the lawyers that I could fathom from the docket sheet. Team Fitz (which is tiny compared to Team Irving) put out an incredible amount of workproduct over the last few months and it seems to have paid off.
Anyway, back to CIPA. It is a procedure which requires the court to determine whether the documents the defendant claims he MUST MUST MUST have in order to present his defense are indeed useful to the defense theory enunciated by the defense, whether they are relevant to the crimes charged, and whether they will be admissible under the Federal Rules of Evidence which bar, for example, hearsay. I mention hearsay at this point because much raw intelligence is at best hearsay and often double, triple or quadruple hearsay, so I would suspect that much of that would be a problem for the defense.
In addition to determining use, relevancy and admissibility under CIPA Section 6(a), the Judge also rules under a separate analysis whether substitutions for the classified information offered by the government allow the defendant to fully present his theory of the defense.
Team Irving has a juicy laundry list of classified information it intends to present in support of it's "memory defense." I'll get to that in a separate post. Bottom line, in the December 1st decision, Judge Walton laid out nine separate subject areas where Team Irving contended that Libby was so distracted that any other information was just driven from his head. That left Team Fitz in a position of having to come up with suitable substitutes for these very juicy bits. Based on yesterday's decision, the tall man in the rumpled suit has cleared that hurdle.
I just love it when the good guys win. So my most heartfelt compliments to all of Team Fitz for a job well done, and another shout out to our own PowWow for keeping us so up to date.
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Balrog!
French Roast! In a heterosexual kind of way.
RevDeb was rolling out the Fitzmas carols last night.
I think we may want to all gear up for a big Fitzmas sing along. You know the big guy’s birthdayis coming up in a couple weeks. Maybe some singin’ might be in order?
looseheadprop @ 8
Oh Danny Boy…
Balrog @ 7
I’ve got some poncy Gevailia (ahem) kaffe. The coffee’s not bad, but the pretensious commercials make be want to smack my radio.
Balrog
Why Danny Boy? I don’t get the connection.
how about Fitzy Boy?
Oh happy day!
Thanks lhp, and congrats on the top billing. Hope we’ll see you up there more often.
looseheadprop @ 10
This has become my coffee of choice as of late. I highly recommend it.
Thanks LHP for helping explain the legal stuff. I am most definitely not a lawyer (I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn last night) and need all the help I can get when it comes to teh legal mumbo-jumbo.
LHP! Pour me up a cup of that coffee! it’s so damn DARK here!
Look at you go!
You all have a drinking problem. Coffee, coffee, coffee!
moi @ 13
Thank you. I was very flattered by the invitation
looseheadprop !!!
your post is further proof that FDL is an embarassment of riches . . .
these hearings can appear arcane/esoteric to us
non lawyers, and just like Christy you handily make sense of it without dumbing down - my oh my we are lucky little blog urchins
p.s. am on my 2nd cup of Gevalia Mocha as I type - a friend was so put off by the commericals he handed off the “fu-fu stuff” to me*g*
yup, nice job, lhp!
Twolf1
Wicked Wolf coffee? How cool is that?
Fitzmas Carols are uploaded on my web site (click link on my name) under “Fun Files” tab.
I collected them from a great diary on DKos a year ago last October.
Enjoy!
so, will the fireworks start in January?
cbl @ 18
Sometimes i just don’t understand advertising departments. I was in Manhattan this weekend and there is a huge billboard for Perrier on the Bowery just south of Cooper union. It has THE most revolting cartoon of a man’s hairy chest (sort of “simpsons” looking character) with a recently shaved outline of a Perrier bottle in the hair.
And the word “sexier” in place of “Perrier” on a nearby bottle. So ick, ick ick.
I don’t think I will ever be able to drink the stuff again because of the chest hair image. WHy do they do these crazy thing?
Gevalioa makes a nice cup of coffee, sells really pretty little tea cups and and china coffee serving pots and has great cookies and you’d think that would be what they would talk about? But no, they have to do the phony/fancy thingy about the exclusivity of it and the “the experience”.. Give me a break!
LHP, coffee, and yellowcake makes for a great breakfast.
Kuddos LHP. Count this reader in the IANALs who really appeciates all the various hints wrt ‘party of the first part’ deconstruction you’ve provided. Add this to that list. And more to come?! ‘An embarrassment of riches’ indeed.
OldCoastie @ 19
Thank you. There are still a fair number of redactions in the Dec 1st decision that are driving me a little crazy.
And all those sealed transcripts!!! torture for me
lhp - is that puppy still setting the house on fire?
OldCoastie @ 22
I think Redd’s gonna do a post about the press coverage on this and I don’t want tosteal her thunder, but Ap seems to think Team Fitz would be nuts to appeal at this point.
Blank Kludge @ 24
Speaking of embarassment, I am all pink in the face from so much praise
I’m thinking shrubya et al will be too busy to pardon scooter… he may want to play, “let’s make a deal”…
A word on coffee.
I refuse to accept Starbucks as a serious merchandiser of coffee until they put outlets in truckstops, for two very important reasons.
Truckers have money
And an unquenchable thirst (and need) for coffee.
lhp,
Thanks for your cogent updater on the case. Those of us outside of legal land need the explanations that you and Christy and the rest of the excellent crew provide.
And thanks for the props on the Carols. Here’s one of them:
We may need to do some updating as last year’s Fitzmas was about indictments. This year we have a different focus. But updating them will be a labor of love and laughs.
looseheadprop @
11
Um, isn’t it a Scottish/Irish sort of song? A reach, admittedly…
Fitzmas Carols ?!?!?
gotta bazillion of ‘em
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/19/103211/60
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/3819
OldCoastie @ 26
It’s been so warm in NY lately we haven’t had a fire in a while, so things are a little safer. But last night I was writing the posts on my laptop on the coffee table in th eliving room and the little heathen opened the locked doggie gate (how does she do that) snuck in right in front of me and my bowl of spaggetti and meatballs right under my nose.
As she gets bigger and less cute, I am getting less tolerant. Also, she has beeen corrected enough times that the lessons ought to sink in at some point, but I ma farid it is goning to be 2 years of hell until she gets her grownup dog personailty and becomes civilized
Oilfieldguy @ 30
I never really got into Starbucks. it’s too strong or something for me. Littleprop however, anything at all that comes out of a Starbucks store, she loves.
Pachacutec @ 16
So, what’s your point?
For those near the Texas Gulf Coast, House of Coffee Beans in Houston cannot be beat. And for those in the East Bay (the People’s Republic of Berkeley), Peet’s.
Looseheadprop! Great post, and thanks so much for explaining the CIPA’s and OCA’s and the strategery and stuff. I’d been feeling dumb about all those initials and now I can look forward to amazing my friends, bwahaha.
That Wicked Wolf sure looks like fun, and great graphics. Did you notice the fine print at the bottom of the page?
Hey, we’ve got some of those around here.
loseheadprop, thanks for the great “refresher about CIPA.” I think I’m still not firing on all cylinders this AM, so the ruling was not fully clear to me….
puppies are a pain…
OT - North Korea might disarm with incentives
iPods?
danny boy = irish
Fitz = irish
arrgh! gotta go, time for work…
thanks for the illumination, looseheadprop…!
OFG,
my thread time is limited these days - good to see ya, hope all is well - where are you today ?
Airport Cat - big Amen on Peet’s - was the only place to go to get drinkable non chemical de-caff when pregnant - probably saved the expectant dad’s sanity
OldCoastie @ 39
they sure are. only slightly less trouble than babies.
but they’re so cute.
Balrog @ 32
Oh. OK. I thought it was something more specific. Danny Boy is a lament about a woman who dies while waiting for her lover to return and how she will wait for him to join in the after life just as she waited for him to return to her in her lifetime.
It’s about a very unselfish kind of love. She lets him go off to do the things he is called to do. She doesn’t whine about feeling neglected. Not a high mainatainance kind of chick. She just loves him in a very simple direct kind of way that gives her the strength to “wait in peace until you come to me”
It was one of Littleprop’s favorite lullabyes (still is) along with “Red is the Rose”, a song sung to the highland tune of “you take the High road and I’ll take the Low road”.
If Scooter gets tried and convited, will he remain free pending appeal?
LHP: “It’s about a very unselfish kind of love. She lets him go off to do the things he is called to do. She doesn’t whine about feeling neglected. Not a high mainatainance kind of chick. She just loves him in a very simple direct kind of way that gives her the strength to “wait in peace until you come to me”
and on a macro level, it’s about the Irish leaving Ireland.
cbl @ 43
Add my Amen re Peets, too!
LHP, good stuff here, and thanks for the refresher, too. When January comes, this is going to be part of a big confluence of news (along with Pelosi’s first 100 hours, Bush’s SOTU address, and whatever bombings and such come out of Iraq while Bush reads the ISG report), and it helps to be up on things now so as not to get distracted by the shiny objects that will no doubt be pointed out to us.
Speaking of which . . .
This post might be a fine candidate for some Spotlighting, so that some of the journalists who will likely be covering Team Irving will be able to improve their work once the trial starts.
And LHP - just went to the recently renovated SF Opera House for the first time, to see The Barber of Seville. What a beautiful venue, and a great production, too!
lina @ 46
Depends on the Judge. the deefnse would have to make a motion. The Judge could go either way. Usually that decision is influenced by 3 things:
1) flight risk–not much of that here.
2) how serious the offense is–people convicted f murder, even if bailed pre-trial are rarely out pending appeal
3) whether the judge thinks the appeal has a snowball’s chance in hell.
In order to appeal, the defense has to make an objection to a ruling at trial in order to “preserve the issue for appeal”. Sometimes, if it is really important, the judge will have the parties brief the issue mid-trial before rendering a decision.
I iworked on a big trial once where we were told a approx 4 PM on the Friday that we had to deliver a major brief on a critical issue by noon on Sunday. Recently I was visiting with the juudge in that trial and told him a funny story about getting lost on the way to his house and having a toal panaic attack because I was still looking for his house after 12:30. Fortunately, the judge ws at a football game that day, and his wife who was home promised not to rat me out.
My point is. The judge will already be aware of potential appealable issue in the trial and will have his own opinion about the vulnerabilty of the verdict or post verdi ct judgement to attack. If he thinks the defense is not going to prevail on appeal, he is less likely to continue bail post conviction.
That’s a mighty big “normally.”
Just speculating here, but would Fitz have pointed out this “appearance of a conflict of interest” in his filings to Walton (or perhaps in his oral jousting to justify the filings)? If so, and Walton subsequently granted the motions, it would be another indication that the greymail defense is not going to be tolerated.
lina @ 47
True, but I was always more struck by the personal story. About a values system where it is more compelling to love soemone truly than to worry about your own immediate gratification or comforts.
Somehow, the concept of true love that transends sepration by time or distance has fallen out of fashion.
Now if a significant other doesn’t call back fast enough, or gets preoccupied by work or other projects, folks feel neglected and think the relaionship is on the rocks. Epic love seems to have gotten uncool.
Funny how Byron York’s hair is still quiet on this.
Peterr @ 48
You know I have only been to San Fran once in my life. For a Rugby Referees convention and Rugby Rules and Laws confernce( I don’t know why they called it that. There are no rules in Rugby anly the hallowed Laws of the Game)
All I got to see was the airport and the hotel/confernce center. The only freash air a Igot was a couple laps around the parking lot. Sigh.
I gotta go back for real some day.
Sorry - just getting online - to find
LHP!!!
lhp — really helpful post. Thanks for taking the time to sort this out.
seesdifferent also has a diary on the rec list on Kos about the second coming of Fitzmas.
Not much added to what lhp says above, but always good to get the reverb. chamber up and running.
cbl,
I’m in Whitewright, TX, just east of Gainseville. Just went out to fire up the truck and throw my bag in. Some brat shot a marble through my passenger side window with a slingshot last night shattering it.
Gonna be a cold trip today!
OT
Saudi ambassador to US resigns in a hurry. HHHMMMMMM.
Methinks there is a lot more to this story than is being reported.
Peterr @ 50
I don’t think so. you may recall that there was an earlier decision, oh maybe a month or so ago when Walton ruled that the orginal substitutions proposed by Team Fitz did not do the job and ordered our tiny but mighty band of legal warriers “back tot he drawing board” to start over a gain virtually from scratch.
I was bummed about it at the time b/c that had to be soooo discouraging to have to go back and redo some seriously eye glazing tediuos work all over again. Like when the nuns would make us write “I will not talk in class” 500 times as punishment.
Plus, just when Walton hands the tiny, but mighty bunch all this work to do over, Team Irving bombards them with bullshit motion after bullshit motion day after day in relentless staccato.
You could tell how exhausted Team Fitz was getting because their reply papers started having all kinds of dipsy typos and cut and paste errors.
It looked almost as bad as if I typed them.
I was worried about flagging physical stamina and possible burnout. However, it seems that the small but mighty band of careers prosecutors dug deep and came up with a new set of substitutions that satisfied Walton.
I hope they at least get to sleep late on Christmas morning. They have really been working hard. That docket sheet has almost daily entries. talk about a “rocket docket”!
lhp -
Danny Boy and Red Is The Rose
my internets are not playing nice today or I could provide you the links I’m looking for :{
Danny Boy - Van Morrison w/ The Chieftains will move you like you’d never heard the song before
The Chieftains have 40 years of discography to hunt through but well worth it - same with any of their versions of RITR
RevDeb @ 56
It’s a very cute post, with one notable error. patFitz is taller than 6′1″
RevDeb @ 58
I saw that too. Evidently the King is sick and maybe there wil be a little armwrestling for the throne?
I think that Reggie is the Andy Kaufman of judges.
You love him - you hate him….
Is there such a thing as being judicially bi-polar?
cbl @ 60
I have loved the Cheiftans since I was a wee girlie
RevDeb @ 58
you mean like someone’s about to blow up DC and he knows about it in advance?
Mornin’, lhp, thanks for the precis and congrats on teh catapult to the front page. Sheesh, first we don’t see you for months, now you’re on top!
I’m having kitten problems, not puppy problems. Kitten has chewed through the power cord to my laptop, which has battery issues. I’m waiting for sparks or tragic death (kitten from chewing live cord, or computer for any number of reasons).
jayt @ 63
I do’t think that is the problem. he is trying to bullet proof himself for appeal–which we want.
Also, so much is sealed and redacted in this case that we cannot even guess at all the factors influencing these outcomes.
Even if we suddnely had access to the transcritps and the unredacted all the filings, we still would not know about the off the record events in chambers. There is always a huge backstory to any case that you just cannot glean from merely reading the docketed filings and attending the trial.
taht’s why I kinda don’t get so PO’d when the MSM doesn’t always get it right. They don’t have access to all the info
Mommybrain @ 67
I know I haven’t been around so much latley. First I was slammed with Election Monitoring stuff to do. Then I was slammed with the backlog of work. I’ve got trials lined up back to back for months.
It’s good to have full employment, but this working for a living crap steals time away from the threads
Almost as many typos and cut-and-paste errors as if YOU’D typed them?
LOL!
The ratio of lawyers in this case has got to be amazing. It’s got to be driving Team Irving nuts that Fitz and his relatively tiny office have been able to cope with the raft of motions, let alone beat many/most/lots of them back.
Mommybrain @ 67
eww. not healthy for kitten or laptop. I’ve had kittens wanting to do that too and I make it loudly known that chewing on such things is a no no. They have learned. But you might want to try putting Tiger Balm or something very untasty and smelly that they don’t like on the cord for a while.
I LOVE KITTENS. Wish they didn’t grow up so quickly.
looseheadprop @ 68
Yeah - I’ve had no problems w/his rulings on the Libby case.
On the Sibel Edmonds case, however - he’s been a continuous dick.
Libby’s sekret stuff isn’t as important as hers?
It’s a puzzlement.
New thread. Pach on board.
The new thread is just newsy quick hits, so feel free to stay here if you want.
looseheadprop @ 68
I’ll cut them slack for that, but when they don’t even get what’s open and public right . . . not so much.
Front pager looseheadprop!
Props to you!
Given the enormous number of security clearances that are now granted for various purposes, why can’t Congress create a trial court where the jury would be selected randomly from all US citizens with the appropriate security clearance, and which would then hold sealed trials? There would still be a jury pool problem when you got up to the Super-Duper Classified levels, but where I live there are plenty of ordinary citizens (including janitors) with Secret and Top Secret clearances.
Admittedly this does bring one up against the Star Chamber issue, but we already have the FISA Court (pretty much a star chamber IMHO), secret detentions, etc. At least this way there would be some citizen involvement.
Cranky
lhp sed: It’s good to have full employment, but this working for a living crap steals time away from the threads
Amen, lhp.
Peterr @ 70
This may be an overbroad statement, but b/c of the narrow way in which Fitz drew his indictment (how much self discipline and will power must that have take?)
There is almost no way that I can think of for Libby to win UNLESS Team Fitz makes a mistake.
It seems like the bad guys have tried intimidation, overwork, and slime all in an effort to crush the spirits of Team Fitz and especailly the big man himself.
It’s enough pressure to turn a lump of coal into a diamond
jayt @ 72
I don’t know this–and I am a huge supporter of true whistle blowers and believe Sybil to be one–but I think her secret stuff is actuall evidence taken from actual rerrorists and they may not know we have it. So, yeah, maybe her stuff is more secret.
lina @ 65
Check out the perspective of an uncharacteristic recent Palast piece. When I read the original it gave the same impression.
Elephants Not in the Room
The world’s upside down right now. Israel is backing Sunni govts for peaceful nuclear programs and SA is denying support while 30 SA clerics call to support insurgents.
Peterr @ 75
Amen
RevDeb - been trying to break him of the habit but now that I’m working, he finds it no matter where. Forbidden fruit is a temptation for kitties, too. Thanks for the recommendation about Tiger Balm - it’s appropriate for our little orange tiger. He’s four months now, not so little anymore.
Completely and totally EPU’d but,
MAD PROPS LHP!
ruh roh raggy! rerrorists!
:-)
Per busted, I’m late to the party.
Thanks LHP!
looseheadprop @
45
I’m Irish, but the thread runs through the back hills of Tenessee - Conroy I think. I never knew that about “Danny Boy”, thanks for the translation.
Peets is better than Starbucks, but there aren’t as many of them as there are Starbucks. I haven’t figured out if that’s a bad thing or a good thing.
BTW, thank you for deconvolving the lawyerese on the Libby case. Fitz is definitely a hero.
Re: the Saudi embaassador rushing home all of a sudden…think it has anything to do with Ticky Dick’s trip???Hmmmm???
Thanks again LHP for your analysis…
I’m just counting the days to the TRUTH..
Jack
Excuse the OT, but for anyone interested in returns for TX 23, go to Burnt Orange Report and to B and B.
Balrog @ 32
looseheadprop @ 45
Danny Boy is a lament about a woman who dies while waiting for her lover to return and how she will wait for him to join in the after life just as she waited for him to return to her in her lifetime.
It’s about a very unselfish kind of love. She lets him go off to do the things he is called to do. She doesn’t whine about feeling neglected. Not a high mainatainance kind of chick. She just loves him in a very simple direct kind of way that gives her the strength to “wait in peace until you come to me”
It was one of Littleprop’s favorite lullabyes (still is) along with “Red is the Rose”, a song sung to the highland tune of “you take the High road and I’ll take the Low road”.
The Danny Boy lyrics, (penned by Frederick Weatherly in 1910. The Irony Department reports Weatherly was an English lawyer. Also relevant: these lyrics are much more popular in North America than in Ireland.)
Verse
Oh Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer’s gone, and all the roses falling
‘Tis you, ’tis you must go and I must bide
Bridge
But come ye back when summer’s in the meadow
Or when the valley’s hushed and white with snow
‘Tis I’ll be here in sunshine or in shadow
Danny Boy, oh Danny Boy, I love you so
Verse
And when ye come, and all the flowers are dying
And I am dead, as dead I well may be
Ye’ll come and find the place where I am lying
And kneel and say an Ave there for me
Bridge
And I shall hear, though soft you tread above me
And all my grave shall warmer, sweeter be
For you shall bend and tell me that you love me
And I shall sleep in peace until you come to me
——————————-
There are a host of other lyrics, as you might guess of an old folk song with a nice melody that lends itself to multiple harmonizations.
BC
P.S. The Scots folksong (You take the high road, etc.) is Loch Lomond, attributed to Bobby Burns.
Way EPU’d, but great job lhp! Waiting for the next installment. To me, this was the big win.
If Fitzgerald couldn’t sell the judge on his proffer, then he was going to have to go back to OCA’s like the CIA, OVP etc. and infight. Big win for the Spec. Prosecutor.
props to Looseheadprop!
RevDeb @
71
OT:
Git yerself an Abyssinian or an Aby cross kitty. They do get bigger, but they never stop acting like kittens. Plus, they’re friendlier than most dawgs (I’m pretty sure, excepting standard poodles, Jane *g*).
Oh. And they’re smart enuf, you’ll probably have to change all the locks in your home and hide the keys. Otherwise. Riotous fun!
ON topic: lhp, May I please join the ranks of those deeply appreciating your skills at translating legalese for us mere mortals. Hangin’ on your every word.
YAY FITZ! YAY lhp!
someday: a ticker tape parade for Team Fitz. even if ticker tape is no longer used.
One more EPU for Peterr re: “conflict of interest” issue.
Early on in the proceedings, Judge Walton entered a ruling where he “aligned” the Spec Prosecutor with the OCA and govt agencies, since he represented gov. It was an obscur-ish point at the time, but I was wondering even back then about arbitrary classifications of things Libby should be able to use in his defense, just to derail.
The Spec. Pros., who had “won” for the decision, still came back and asked that the court reconsider the language on alignment and NOT align the Spec Pros with gov agencies (and mentioned that he had subpeonaed everything he got from them). The Judge agreed and reworded his opinion.
It doesn’t look like the Spec Pros ended up needing to fight that fight, but the fact that he kept that door open was, I thought, a very good tactic.
Great Post, LHP, Thanks so much! Huge hat tip to super quick pow wow as well.
[Gevala should get into the popcorn biz asap]
oh and a photoshop of Fitz about four feet deep in popcorn would be funny too….)
Great post lhp and thanks for the work to help us understand.
In hearing the terms ‘original classifying agency(authority)’ it brings to mind the incident of Cheney claiming special powers to this. How does the following linked blog post from The Washington Note, Feb 06 fit in with possibilities of running into trouble or possibly having them by some short hairs?
Where does the March 25, 2003 date for the amendment fall in the timeline?