Comments on: Merry Christmas, G. Bush http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:31:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: ausblog http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-417382 ausblog Wed, 13 Dec 2006 04:48:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-417382 <p>Women, children, old folk and peace loving people out, troops out, and let the rest go for it.</p> Women, children, old folk and peace loving people out, troops out, and let the rest go for it.

]]> By: OCPatriot http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-417175 OCPatriot Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:02:34 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-417175 <p>Truth of the matter is that Bush has always longed to be in office long enough to hand the whole problem over to the next President. His history has been one of being bailed out by his Dad, not really ever being successful. If he can hang on for the next two year period, he can just forget about it all. Consequences have never hurt him or hit him or even appeared to be apparent to him; in this way Bush has no conscience.</p> Truth of the matter is that Bush has always longed to be in office long enough to hand the whole problem over to the next President. His history has been one of being bailed out by his Dad, not really ever being successful. If he can hang on for the next two year period, he can just forget about it all. Consequences have never hurt him or hit him or even appeared to be apparent to him; in this way Bush has no conscience.

]]> By: newspaperbrat http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416795 newspaperbrat Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:01:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416795 <p>Thanks for the very thoughtful post Hugh. It would help enormously if the MSM would do their jobs and push the ISG members & leadership to a full court press through Xmas and the new year. That being less than realistic perhaps We the People of the netroots could keep shouting out for action from at least the ISG cast of characters vis-a-vie blogs, letters and op-ed rants, etc. Leon Panetta, i.e., former congress-critter and Clinton chief of staff is very accessible here on the central CA coast. And sensitive, like any thinking former pol, to public opinion. I’m just sayin’ we can and will do our best to keep reminding Panetta as a member of the ISG he has a duty to demand more from the administration. It would help of course if someone more learned than me could post a similar call for action from the other window dressing members of the ISG.</p> Thanks for the very thoughtful post Hugh. It would help enormously if the MSM would do their jobs and push the ISG members & leadership to a full court press through Xmas and the new year. That being less than realistic perhaps We the People of the netroots could keep shouting out for action from at least the ISG cast of characters vis-a-vie blogs, letters and op-ed rants, etc. Leon Panetta, i.e., former congress-critter and Clinton chief of staff is very accessible here on the central CA coast. And sensitive, like any thinking former pol, to public opinion. I’m just sayin’ we can and will do our best to keep reminding Panetta as a member of the ISG he has a duty to demand more from the administration. It would help of course if someone more learned than me could post a similar call for action from the other window dressing members of the ISG.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416777 rwcole Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:52:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416777 <p>(I’m really just thinking out loud here)</p> <p>Does Clusterfuck care at all whether or not Iraqis are killing one another? Doubt it..</p> <p>To withdraw american troops from routine patrols is actually a pretty simple thing to do- sure the Iraqi death toll may increase- but that won’t hurt Clusterfuck..</p> <p>If is satisfied with some “trainers”, some logistical resources- and close air support forces- he can probably cut the forces by 60-70% no problem.</p> <p>American troops would be in well fortified bases and only come out during severe emergencies.</p> (I’m really just thinking out loud here)

Does Clusterfuck care at all whether or not Iraqis are killing one another? Doubt it..

To withdraw american troops from routine patrols is actually a pretty simple thing to do- sure the Iraqi death toll may increase- but that won’t hurt Clusterfuck..

If is satisfied with some “trainers”, some logistical resources- and close air support forces- he can probably cut the forces by 60-70% no problem.

American troops would be in well fortified bases and only come out during severe emergencies.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416769 rwcole Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:47:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416769 <p>Iraq</p> <p>1) It’s been going on for four years and it’s gets worse rather than better..</p> <p>2) Public support is sinking almost daily..We haven’t yet gotten to the point where a majority favors immediate withdrawal- but that will come fairly soon without some change.</p> <p>3) No one has a workable plan for “victory”- that’s just a pile of political bullshit- typical of this president.</p> <p>4) If we continue on the present course for the duration of the Clusterfuck presidency- there will be an ugly 2008 election about getting the fuck out NOW- and goopers will lose that election- BADLY.</p> <p>5) If a new dem president and congress take over and walk us out of Iraq- they will be able to write the short term history of Bush failure- that will be very difficult for him to ever escape.</p> <p>ERGO</p> <p>We will at least begin the withdrawal from Iraq by 2008- with Clusterfuck claiming (against all evidence) that we won so we can go home- “We did everything we could do to give the Iraqis a good chance at saving their freedom the rest is up to them”.</p> <p>Of course we will leave behind some more permanenty forces- ta guard the oil fields and keep the Russians out.</p> Iraq

1) It’s been going on for four years and it’s gets worse rather than better..

2) Public support is sinking almost daily..We haven’t yet gotten to the point where a majority favors immediate withdrawal- but that will come fairly soon without some change.

3) No one has a workable plan for “victory”- that’s just a pile of political bullshit- typical of this president.

4) If we continue on the present course for the duration of the Clusterfuck presidency- there will be an ugly 2008 election about getting the fuck out NOW- and goopers will lose that election- BADLY.

5) If a new dem president and congress take over and walk us out of Iraq- they will be able to write the short term history of Bush failure- that will be very difficult for him to ever escape.

ERGO

We will at least begin the withdrawal from Iraq by 2008- with Clusterfuck claiming (against all evidence) that we won so we can go home- “We did everything we could do to give the Iraqis a good chance at saving their freedom the rest is up to them”.

Of course we will leave behind some more permanenty forces- ta guard the oil fields and keep the Russians out.

]]> By: retirin’ in five http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416767 retirin’ in five Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:47:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416767 <p>Hugh, From time to time my better half takes great pleasure in reminding me, “You know, sometimes you can be a real asshole.” Which, in retrospect, I was, a few weeks back, around election time, IIRC. Please accept my apologies. Back then I was newly de-lurked and posted something that, again in retrospect, was completely off base. Chalk it up to the hubris of the those recently exiting the blogging closet.</p> Hugh, From time to time my better half takes great pleasure in reminding me, “You know, sometimes you can be a real asshole.” Which, in retrospect, I was, a few weeks back, around election time, IIRC. Please accept my apologies. Back then I was newly de-lurked and posted something that, again in retrospect, was completely off base. Chalk it up to the hubris of the those recently exiting the blogging closet.

]]> By: Hugh http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416753 Hugh Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:38:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416753 <p>The disaster in Iraq will keep itself front and center. Where the progressive blogosphere comes in is to keep the focus on getting out. </p> <p>Whether we just get out or change the light bulbs on our way out doesn’t matter. Bush wants to come up with a new formula for victory, that in the event won’t be much different than current policy and will keep us in the Iraq quagmire for the rest of his Presidency. </p> <p>We need to keep the pressure on by pointing out that there is now a national consensus that the war is unwinnable so there is not going to be a victory or a success. Bush says we can only fail if we leave. That’s another strawman. The policy, his policy, has already failed. I believe it was Murtha who first pointed out that Iraq is already lost and Republicans lost it. What we need to do now is leave. We can phase our withdrawal over the 3-6 months that it would take to move out that many soldiers and their equipment. We can try to coordinate our withdrawal with the Iraqis or the subnational groups but we must get out and we must leave as soon as possible. There are no more Friedmans or one last shots left.</p> The disaster in Iraq will keep itself front and center. Where the progressive blogosphere comes in is to keep the focus on getting out.

Whether we just get out or change the light bulbs on our way out doesn’t matter. Bush wants to come up with a new formula for victory, that in the event won’t be much different than current policy and will keep us in the Iraq quagmire for the rest of his Presidency.

We need to keep the pressure on by pointing out that there is now a national consensus that the war is unwinnable so there is not going to be a victory or a success. Bush says we can only fail if we leave. That’s another strawman. The policy, his policy, has already failed. I believe it was Murtha who first pointed out that Iraq is already lost and Republicans lost it. What we need to do now is leave. We can phase our withdrawal over the 3-6 months that it would take to move out that many soldiers and their equipment. We can try to coordinate our withdrawal with the Iraqis or the subnational groups but we must get out and we must leave as soon as possible. There are no more Friedmans or one last shots left.

]]> By: scarecrow http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416747 scarecrow Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:35:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416747 <p><a href="#comment-416730"><em>Bustednuckles @ 48</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Anybody seen Darkblack lately?<br /> I’d love to see Tony Snow in court jester outfit.<br /> Fookin’ clown anyway.</p></blockquote> <p>Court jesters are usually very wise and witty, getting away with dissing the King through truthful humor; they’re not just lying fools. TSnow is only the latter.</p> Bustednuckles @ 48

Anybody seen Darkblack lately?
I’d love to see Tony Snow in court jester outfit.
Fookin’ clown anyway.

Court jesters are usually very wise and witty, getting away with dissing the King through truthful humor; they’re not just lying fools. TSnow is only the latter.

]]> By: Publicus http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416746 Publicus Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:34:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416746 <p>“Let me put it this way: The president believes that in putting together a way forward he will be able to address a lot of the concerns that the American public has, the most important of which is, What is your plan for winning?”</p> <p>Tony Snow is, as always, wrong. The public doesn’t want to know the plan for winning. The public wants our troops out of Iraq, and safely back home. That’s the message of the voters and the polls. Snow knows this, but like Bush, chooses to ignore reality when he doesn’t like it. (i.e. often)</p> “Let me put it this way: The president believes that in putting together a way forward he will be able to address a lot of the concerns that the American public has, the most important of which is, What is your plan for winning?”

Tony Snow is, as always, wrong. The public doesn’t want to know the plan for winning. The public wants our troops out of Iraq, and safely back home. That’s the message of the voters and the polls. Snow knows this, but like Bush, chooses to ignore reality when he doesn’t like it. (i.e. often)

]]> By: Cujo359 http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416743 Cujo359 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:33:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/12/merry-christmas-g-bush/#comment-416743 <p><a href="#comment-416710"><em>BobbyG @ 33</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><b><em>Quick!! Someone alert Dennis Prager!!! Another grave threat to our culture is now coming to light!!!</em></b><br /> _____</p> <p><b>A devil food is turning our kids into homosexuals</b></p> <p>The dangerous food I’m speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they’re all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.</p> <p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327">http://www.wnd.com/news/articl.....E_ID=53327</a></p></blockquote> <p>Might explain all the televangelists who have turned out to be gay. I always thought there was a suspiciously large number of Chinese restaurants in Colorado Springs.</p> BobbyG @ 33

Quick!! Someone alert Dennis Prager!!! Another grave threat to our culture is now coming to light!!!
_____

A devil food is turning our kids into homosexuals

The dangerous food I’m speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they’re all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.

http://www.wnd.com/news/articl…..E_ID=53327

Might explain all the televangelists who have turned out to be gay. I always thought there was a suspiciously large number of Chinese restaurants in Colorado Springs.

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