
I expect you are all getting sick of the Baker/Hamilton Iraq Study Group report by now. Well, if it is any consolation that is exactly what Bush and his Administration want you to do. Since its release on December 6, the weaknesses and biases of the ISG report have been out there for all to see and comment on. It has been out less than a week and it already risks slipping into oblivion. Several factors have conspired to this end.
The report was originally slated for release to coincide with the seating of the new Congress in January. This would have put it in the spotlight early and it was hoped keep it there. Events on the ground in Iraq did not cooperate with this timing. Violence was spiraling out of control so fast that there was a real fear that the report would be irrelevant (a charge that has been leveled against it anyway) even before it became public.
The November elections didn't help matters. In the days before them, Baker and Hamilton had been making the rounds of the media political talk circuit. Despite a lot of hinting that their report was going to have something Big to say about Iraq, these appearances were generally uninformative. Given the timing, they seemed to be signaling to the American electorate that the grownups were back in charge, they were going to take care of Iraq, and that therefore it was still safe to vote Republican. When the election results came in and the size of the Democratic victory was clear, the ISG had the choice of trying to catch the wave of popular discontent or watch it as it left them behind. As a result, the date of the report's release was moved forward to December 6.
This would get the report out in the one week that Congress was in session before the end of the year. The presentation, the news conference, the appearance before Congress, the nightly news shows, the Sunday talk shows, all came and went. Meanwhile, Bush wiggled and waffled. He deferred and demurred. He would think about it. He would pick and choose. He would listen to other reports (that he had ordered and which were under his control). He would get back to them and the American people later.
Bush's goal is to dissipate the impact of the report. He is aided in this by the fact that while the timing of the report's release was the best that could be expected under the circumstances, it still was not very good. Yes, the Congress was in session, but not for long, and it was the last gasp of a lame duck and largely discredited Congress at that. Worse, the political doldrums of Christmas and New Year's are upon us. That's a month, an age in politics, that Americans have to forget this report.
The carnage and chaos of Iraq will go on. Bush has promised his own "thoughts" on Iraq to be delivered while we are otherwise engaged, no doubt somewhere between the eggnog and the ball falling in Times Square. He is already stealing the report's thunder by his much publicized series of consultations. Why he has waited 3 1/2 years to do so is a question that should be asked each and every day but won't be. Bush wants us to be sleepy and happy, and forgetful.
This gets to one of the reasons I love the Net. However much Bush may wish us to forget, it is in the very nature of the blogosphere not to. For all its flaws, the ISG report has put an official seal on the need for there to be real change in our Iraq policy and not just a change in Bush's rhetoric on it. However imperfect and convoluted the ISG's recommendations are, its underlying message is one of withdrawal, whether Iraq meets the stated goals or not. We must not let Bush blur this central point, a point that is shared not just by the ISG but 70% of the American people. We must not let Bush get away with it. We must remember.
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HUGH!
Hugh! Fitz! Roots!
Bring our troops home now, please…
Hugh ROCK!!
:-)
Chimpy pushes his decideration into next year:
Bush Iraq update may be after New Year
Hey Hugh!
Great to see you on the front page. I always enjoy and learn from your comments.
no doubt somewhere between the eggnog and the ball falling in Times Square…
Now it’s most likely next year.
What’s the rush, anyway?
The ISG Report’s Table of Contents provides the condemnation of the current policy. Part one describes the current state of affairs, and then the bulk of the report (part two) is dedicated to “The Way Forward - A New Approach.”
Kind of sounds like the Old Approach wasn’t exactly getting the job done.
Notwithstanding the merits of any of its recommendations, the ISG report had one very big effect. It was “the Emperor has no clothes” moment for Bush. It had not just Democrats, or those pesky voters, saying that the Iraq war is lost; it had the establishment saying it. It completely isolated Bush and the crazed neocons who toady to him. This isolation has only been exacerbated by Bush’s reaction of spitting on the hand that the ISG held out to pull him out of this mess. Now anyone who even suggests that this war is winnable looks like a fool or knave. The ISG report is the end of the Bush presidency.
Am I being truly naive here, or is there any real reason we can’t (I mean actually can’t as distinct from won’t or don’t wanna)bring our troops home *now*? Like, for Christmas?
Just wondering.
Yes indeed. The two Iraqi elections that were supposed to bring democracy instead brought sectarian interests to the fore, which then led to a full-blown civil war: actually into a “state” (so to speak) beyond civil war.
I’m thinking that things are so bad in Iraq that while Bush is trying to kick this can down the road to the next guy in the Oval the situation on the ground will put us into a Saigon Rooftop type wthdrawal fiasco. One way or another we WILL leave whether its on our terms or theirs.
HotFlash @ 9
Not enough arliners to bring all 140,000 or so troops home in that short amount of time equipment and all. Logistics are a nightmare.
There are a couple thousand families who will never forget. Especially at the holidays, as they stare at the empty place at the table, look at the old pictures on the wall, and view the folded flag sitting on the mantel.
Time is not on Bush’s side anymore, when it comes to distracting the American people. Now, it just reinforces the impression of an insular, self-centered, and stubborn lame duck.
Wow, Hugh and LHP all in one day — two of my favourite incisive analysts good writers. I may not ge anything done today. *S*
But. Is it enough to remember? I fear that the ISG report will give the incoming Dems reason to hem and haw and do nothing. Disclaimer: I live in Canada, we are used to throwing the rascals out over some hot issue only to have the new rascals keep on doing/not doing it, whatever it was.
Peterr @ 13
I think you meant war criminal
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 12
Put ‘em on aircraft carriers.
Thanks for the insight Hugh, to use an ancient phrase, right on. as i listen to Joe Ely’s version of White Line Fever.
i consider myself a visionary pragmatist, which means i’m visionary enough to have tried not to lose my youthful idealism, but old enough to be cranky. But there are some days when the news from Iraq (and we see the pictures here in europe) is so fookin debilitating i can’t think straight.
Often the only ground i find solid enough to drink on is the blogosphere. (and i support the goddesses willingness to bring hugh’s voice front page.)
i won’t hijack this discussion, but i left what i believe to be a valuable comment on FDL and the Emmanuel attack at the end of that thread. Hope some of you go downstairs and read it.
and then come back and continue the strategy discussion of how we end the 4th Reich.
Hugh, thank you for this main post and for your ever-incisive comments - I always look forward to learning from you.
The only way that dems could actually get the US out of Iraq is to cut off the money. They have said that they won’t do that- and even if they DID- they don’t have the votes..
What they can and will do is to begin to put pressure on the administration and invite goopers to join them..
Just heard a guy on NPR say “The Iraq Study Group Report accomplishes NOTHING in terms of how to run the war better- but political cover for withdrawal- it does an excellent job That’s what the thing is–Political Cover for Withdrawal- starting in 07 and ending with everyone out by the presidential election..
Dems can and should embrace the thing-
I heard a news item on the radio this morning saying that 30 top Saudi Sunni clerics had issued a public call for all Sunnis to come to the aid of Iraqi Sunnis.
This whole fucking mess is gonna blow up in Bush’s snarling, pissy face.
UPDATE: Here’s a link to the story.
_
It is abundantly clear that any meaningful adjustment to our Iraq policy depends upon the impeachment of the president. Well conducted hearings and oversight — in concert with the sprialing deterioration of Iraqi society and multiple self-preserving interventions by Iraq’s neighbors — will put the question squarely before the Congress and the public by summer.
If Bush’s approval ratings becomes stuck in the 20s — now almost a certainty — Republicans (and their corporate funders) will provide the momentum for a change of government out of self-interest.
HotFlash @
9
Yes, there is.
15% of us say no, but it is the same 15% that owns everything.
interesting
What!?! No gas prices!?!
Whatta gyp.
Although its not as bad as say…the last 6 YEARS!
Lawyerbob @
8
Gee. Where have I heard that before? The ISG Report, if you look at it a little, is interesting only to the extent that it comes right out, in the broad daylight, and calls the existing policy a failure. This is mis-direction, a la 3-card monte, or any other cheap magician’s trick. David Blaine, where are you?. Come on out and take a bow, son.
Because what it then does, is to recommend that we keep on keepin’ on - doing exactly the same stuff we’re supposedly doing now - only with a little more determination and moderately fewer smiles.
The end game is this - James Baker has thrown GWB an escape rope - which will get him through 2008 and safely out the door before the hounds chew the ass out of his backside.
That’s all.
Bush’s Christmas message to the troops and their families.
goergie porgy presnit of lies
attacked Iraq and made daddy cry
when the sane people came out to play
georgie porgy ran away
jayt
I believe that the ISG came to the conclusion that Iraq is lost- and then worked backwards to put together a report that would speed up the ultimate withdrawal..
Now many would have preferred a report that said “get out now”–and perhaps they considered such a thing- but it’s really too early for that- public opinion doesn’t support it yet- and the president would reject it outright..
They had to provide some political cover for him to begin to wiggle his way to the exits- and that- I believe- is exactly what he will do..
Please don’t make the mistake of believing the bullshit from the White House- they’re leaving.
OT - Bob Woodward, the Washington Post journalist and author, is looking for a new full-time assistant.
Hugh on the front page! Yes!
JB3 expected Junja to say “Thanks, I’m implementing everything.” (Instead, loaded W said “I need a drink,” per Eagleburger via Milbank.) So, JB3 hustled his Group to the Hill, to the Sunday gabfests, to cablesnooze; still Junja dithers. Now, events on the ground (political and military) have overrun the B/H-ISG report. So, I submit to you:
the unheralded option Four.
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Iraq See also: Allies and enemies
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Polls listed chronologically. Data are from nationwide surveys of Americans 18 & older.
CBS News Poll. Dec. 8-10, 2006. N=922 adults nationwide. MoE 3 (for all adults). RV = registered voters
.
“Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?”
.
Approve Disapprove Unsure
% % %
ALL adults
21 75 4
Republicans
47 47 6
Democrats
5 95 0
Independents
17 77 6
.
Trend:
11/12-13/06
29 67 4
10/27-31/06
29 64 7
10/5-8/06 30 66 4
9/15-19/06
36 59 5
8/17-21/06
30 65 5
8/11-13/06
30 66 4
7/21-25/06
32 62 6
6/10-11/06 33 61 6
5/16-17/06 31 64 5
5/4-8/06
29 67 4
4/28-30/06
30 64 6
4/6-9/06 33 61 6
3/9-12/06 31 63 6
2/22-26/06 30 65 5
1/20-25/06 37 59 4
1/5-8/06 37 58 5
12/2-6/05 36 59 5
10/30 - 11/1/05 32 62 6
10/3-5/05 32 64 4
9/9-13/05 36 59 5
9/6-7/05 35 60 5
8/29-31/05 38 57 5
7/29 - 8/2/05 41 55 4
6/10-15/05 37 59 4
5/20-24/05 38 57 5
4/13-16/05 39 56 6
3/21-22/05 39 53 8
2/24-28/05 45 50 5
1/14-18/05 40 55 5
11/18-21/04 40 55 5
10/28-30/04 45 50 5
10/14-17/04 42 54 4
7/11-15/04 37 58 5
6/23-27/04 36 58 6
5/20-23/04 34 61 5
5/11/04 39 58 3
4/23-27/04 41 52 7
3/30 - 4/1/04 44 49 7
3/10-14/04 49 43 8
2/24-27/04 46 47 7
2/12-15/04 49 45 6
1/12-15/04 48 46 6
12/21-22/03 57 36 7
12/14-15/03 59 35 6
11/10-12/03 48 48 4
10/20-21/03 49 45 6
9/28 - 10/1/03 47 48 5
9/15-16/03 46 47 7
8/11-12/03 57 33 10
7/03 58 32 10
5/03 72 20 8
3/26-27/03 69 27 4
3/24/03 71 24 5
3/23/03 75 22 3
3/22/03 72 23 5
3/20-21/03 69 25 6
3/15-16/03 55 41 4
3/7-9/03 51 42 7
3/4-5/03 54 39 7
2/24-25/03 52 44 4
2/10-12/03 53 42 5
.
“Do you have confidence in George W. Bush’s ability to make the right decisions about the war in Iraq or are you uneasy about his approach?”
.
Confident Uneasy Unsure
% % %
12/8-10/06
28 70 2
9/9-13/05
35 63 2
.
“Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?”
.
Did Right
Thing Should Have
Stayed Out Unsure
% % %
12/8-10/06
39 55 6
11/12-13/06
40 56 4
10/27-31/06
44 51 5
10/5-8/06 40 55 5
9/15-19/06
44 51 5
8/17-21/06
43 53 4
8/11-13/06
41 53 6
7/21-25/06 47 48 5
6/10-11/06
44 51 5
5/16-17/06
43 53 4
5/4-8/06
39 56 5
4/28-30/06 44 51 5
4/6-9/06 43 53 4
3/9-12/06
41 54 5
2/22-26/06
41 54 5
1/20-25/06 47 50 3
1/5-8/06 47 49 4
12/2-6/05 48 48 4
10/30 - 11/1/05 42 50 8
10/3-5/05 41 55 4
9/9-13/05 44 50 6
8/29-31/05 45 49 6
7/29 - 8/2/05 48 46 6
6/10-15/05 45 51 4
5/20-24/05 47 49 4
4/13-16/05 47 48 5
2/24-28/05 46 50 4
1/14-18/05 45 49 6
11/18-21/04 46 48 6
10/28-30/04 RV 52 44 4
10/14-17/04 RV 50 46 4
7/11-15/04 45 51 4
6/23-27/04 48 46 6
5/20-23/04 49 46 5
5/11/04 49 45 6
4/23-27/04 47 46 7
3/30 - 4/1/04 55 39 6
3/10-14/04 58 37 5
2/24-27/04 54 39 7
2/12-15/04 58 37 5
12/21-22/03 62 34 4
12/14-15/03 63 31 6
.
“How would you say things are going for the U.S. in its efforts to bring stability and order to Iraq? Would you say things are going very well, somewhat well, somewhat badly, or very badly?”
.
Very Well Somewhat
Well Somewhat
Badly Very Badly Unsure
% % % % %
12/8-10/06
2 23 32 39 4
10/27-31/06
2 28 32 35 3
10/5-8/06 3 28 30 36 3
9/15-19/06
4 34 28 33 1
8/17-21/06
5 32 33 29 1
8/11-13/06
5 37 31 25 2
7/21-25/06 4 37 30 27 2
6/10-11/06
5 38 33 22 2
5/16-17/06
5 36 29 28 2
5/4-8/06
5 34 33 27 1
4/28-30/06 5 36 29 26 4
4/6-9/06 5 36 27 31 1
3/9-12/06 4 36 28 29 3
2/22-26/06
5 31 32 30 2
1/20-25/06 8 37 30 24 1
1/5-8/06 8 41 28 21 2
12/2-6/05 6 40 28 24 2
10/30 - 11/1/05 4 36 31 26 3
10/3-5/05 4 39 27 28 2
8/29-31/05 5 35 29 28 3
7/29 - 8/2/05 7 41 29 21 2
6/10-15/05 7 33 34 26 0
5/20-24/05 5 36 31 26 2
4/13-16/05 7 41 32 18 2
2/24-28/05 10 43 29 18 0
1/14-18/05 5 36 28 29 2
11/18-21/04 5 40 26 27 2
10/28-30/04 RV 7 40 25 25 2
10/14-17/04 RV 5 38 27 28 2
7/11-15/04 4 39 28 28 1
6/23-27/04 2 38 31 26 3
5/20-23/04 3 34 38 22 3
4/23-27/04 4 34 31 29 2
12/21-22/03 8 57 24 9 2
12/14-15/03 12 53 21 10 4
11/10-12/03 5 42 28 22 3
10/20-21/03 5 49 31 12 3
9/15-16/03 5 44 29 18 4
8/26-28/03 5 46 31 16 2
8/11-12/03 6 47 28 13 6
7/03 6 54 25 11 4
5/03 11 61 19 5 4
.
“Would you say the situation in Iraq is getting better, getting worse, or is it staying about the same?”
.
Getting
Better Getting
Worse Staying
the Same Unsure
% % % %
12/8-10/06
8 52 38 2
.
“From what you have seen or heard about the situation in Iraq, what should the United States do now? Should the U.S. increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, keep the same number of U.S. troops in Iraq as there are now, decrease the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, or remove all its troops from Iraq?”
.
Increase Keep the
Same Decrease Remove All Unsure
% % % % %
12/8-10/06
18 18 34 25 5
10/27-31/06
16 27 26 24 7
10/5-8/06 17 21 26 30 6
4/6-9/06 12 25 30 27 6
3/9-12/06 10 25 30 29 6
12/2-6/05 11 24 32 28 5
9/9-13/05 10 26 27 32 5
9/6-7/05 11 23 25 33 7
8/29-31/05 14 25 26 29 6
3/9-12/06 4 36 28 29 3
(CBS)
Oops- Sorry- I only intended to post one small portion of those results.
Quick!! Someone alert Dennis Prager!!! Another grave threat to our culture is now coming to light!!!
_____
A devil food is turning our kids into homosexuals
There’s a slow poison out there that’s severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it’s a “health food,” one of our most popular.
Now, I’m a health-food guy, a fanatic who seldom allows anything into his kitchen unless it’s organic. I state my bias here just so you’ll know I’m not anti-health food.
The dangerous food I’m speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they’re all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.
There’s a slow poison out there that’s severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture. The ironic part is, it’s a “health food,” one of our most popular.
Now, I’m a health-food guy, a fanatic who seldom allows anything into his kitchen unless it’s organic. I state my bias here just so you’ll know I’m not anti-health food.
The dangerous food I’m speaking of is soy. Soybean products are feminizing, and they’re all over the place. You can hardly escape them anymore.
I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.
Estrogens are female hormones. If you’re a woman, you’re flooding your system with a substance it can’t handle in surplus. If you’re a man, you’re suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your “female side,” physically and mentally…
LMAO!!!
http://www.wnd.com/news/articl.....E_ID=53327
Thanks everyone,
Re Bush announcing his plan in January, I’ve been trying to track down the proposed date for the 2007 State of the Union. I have so far not been successful. It usually occurs close to when Congress first meets. The first scheduled meeting of the House and Senate in 2007 is unusually early: January 4. I’ve been wondering if Bush might not wait and announce his “new” plan for Iraq in the State of the Union. This is just a guess on my part.
rwcole says
December 12th, 2006 at 11:56 am*
Please don’t make the mistake of believing the bullshit from the White House- they’re leaving.
I’m not sure I understand your point. I mean - I know, or at least hope, that they’re leaving in 2008. What I’m saying is that the ISG Report leaves them room to leave with, orientally speaking, face, or in more American terms, massive shrouds of dignity.
Neither of which I like - at all.
Hugh- Maybe- although right now what Clusterfuck wants is mazimum face time on the tube- so two speeches are better than one- and twenty are better than two.. He’s tryin to prove that he still relevant ya know.
He also probably needs to wait to see if his new initiative to form up a new govt. in Iraq is working before goin out on a limb- so he may have to delay a bit- but he’ll be on the tube daily if possible for the foreseeable future.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @
12
Amazing to me that all airlines were forced to stop all air travel (except for those Saudi passenger special flights via bushco) immediately after 9-11. That kind of Federal commitment could clear Iraq in record time with as many commandeered airlines as needed. Flights would not have to go directly to US. We have bases all over the fucking globe. Republican’ts are not capable. Are we?
jayt
I mean- the White House is going to leave Iraq-all protestations to the contrary– they’ll string things out for a while to prove to the gooper faithful that they gave it all a fair shot- but in the end- the plan is to declare victory and go home. Even they know that this thing ain’t gonna fly.
BobbyG @ 33
summoning best Boston (?) accent: “that’s soytainly alahming”
Fine post, Hugh. Things just get worser and worser.
BobbyG at 20: that is a scare article you linked to. The Saudi’s ready to join the Iraq civil war. Must freak out the Saudi rulers.
rwcole,
When the idea of something being done urgently in Iraq comes up like the plan to strengthen Maliki or even implement the ISG recommendations, I always go back to the 175 days it took from the December 15, 2005 to the formation of a permanent government on June 7, 2006. During this same time, the civil war really got going. I expect nothing different now.
here’s what’s going on now;
bush is enlisting the “advice” and “suggestions” from people who have ALREADY told us drawing down is a bad idea
these MORONS actually think an influx of 20 to 40,000 MORE troops will have ANY impact
what friggin IDIOTS
I forget who pointed out here at the lake but it seems accurate to me;
20,000 additional troops after shifts, meals, sleep, translate into a practical working increase of about 5000 more in force
WHAT THE FRIG DO THEY THINK 5000 MORE SOLDIERS ARE GOING TO DO…SOLVE THE ENTIRE PROBLEM IN IRAQ?
I wish there were a more perjurative word then “moron”
OT– AFL-CIO rally on cspan pledging a massive win in 2008.
(they don’t like bush!)
Great posts today– thanks Pach, lhp, Steve and Hugh!
Title of W’s upcoming speech to the nation:
“A New Way Forward by our Ownership Society to Stay the Course of our Mission Acomplished in the Wars on Terrorism, the Death Tax and Social Security.”
and becuase I didn’t want the following to get lost in my previous post;
why has not one jounalist posed the following;
“since you are certain this initiative in Iraq is worth fighting, and since you would like Americans to know you are committed to this initiative and are convinced it is for the future of our country;
why is not one of your family memebers, none of your daughters, none of your brothers or their children
not one of them who agrees with your policy and volunteered to serve in for our national interest in Iraq?”
Tony Snow: There Is A ‘Sense Of Crisis Of Confidence In Government’
SNOW: Again, what you’re trying to do under the guise of an opinion question is to ask me a policy option.
Let me put it this way: The president believes that in putting together a way forward he will be able to address a lot of the concerns that the American public has, the most important of which is, What is your plan for winning?
The other thing is that there’s an opportunity here also for Democrats and Republicans to work together. Whatever the discontent may be with the president, the level of confidence in Congress is even lower. And what you have is the sense of crisis of confidence in government.
The Middle East is out of control. And I don’t see Democrats dealing with it.
Anybody seen Darkblack lately?
I’d love to see Tony Snow in court jester outfit.
Fookin’ clown anyway.
perris @
42
“f**ker” works here, there & everywhere. grin.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 12
If they could temporarily activate a couple of aircraft carriers without their air wings, they could probably evacuate a couple of brigades at a time. It would be tough, but they could probably evacuate the bulk of the troops in a couple of months. The army also owns some sealift vessels, which might be able to bring much more equipment home quickly.
The big question would be scheduling it all, I suppose. That in itself, especially when you consider all the contractors and dependents who are over there, would probably take some time to work out.
On the Clock @ 21
mdhatter @ 22
In other words, no. I though so. My fear is that the Dems are also owned by that 15% that is the incorporated aristocracy. It’s not so tidy as owning the R’s but the end result is the same.
Shiny new thread.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....3/#respond
Bustednuckles @ 48
Darkblack may be on hiatus. I bumped into him in the comments chez watertiger a few days ago - mentioned that he was missed here at FDL, and his response was just to say “hi”.
rwcole @ 37
I’m not sure how to reply. GWB has so many psychological problems that to some extent I think we’re all just pissin’ in the wind tryin’ to figure out what he’s going to do. I really think he’s that type of crazy who will, quite literally, go to his grave screaming that he was right.
Declare Victory and Leave? Swear to God - I don’t think he’s capable of it.
Hugh @ 34
That would mean that all the Dems who have to
stand up and clap for Bushie?
Dems stand up as Bush stands down?
Jack
rwcole @
36
You know, I don’t think he’s trying to prove he’s relevant, I doubt such a doublt would occur o him. I think he just does it because it fills up his bitty day with important Preznitising that’s not too hard to do.
BobbyG @ 33
Might explain all the televangelists who have turned out to be gay. I always thought there was a suspiciously large number of Chinese restaurants in Colorado Springs.
“Let me put it this way: The president believes that in putting together a way forward he will be able to address a lot of the concerns that the American public has, the most important of which is, What is your plan for winning?”
Tony Snow is, as always, wrong. The public doesn’t want to know the plan for winning. The public wants our troops out of Iraq, and safely back home. That’s the message of the voters and the polls. Snow knows this, but like Bush, chooses to ignore reality when he doesn’t like it. (i.e. often)
Bustednuckles @ 48
Court jesters are usually very wise and witty, getting away with dissing the King through truthful humor; they’re not just lying fools. TSnow is only the latter.
The disaster in Iraq will keep itself front and center. Where the progressive blogosphere comes in is to keep the focus on getting out.
Whether we just get out or change the light bulbs on our way out doesn’t matter. Bush wants to come up with a new formula for victory, that in the event won’t be much different than current policy and will keep us in the Iraq quagmire for the rest of his Presidency.
We need to keep the pressure on by pointing out that there is now a national consensus that the war is unwinnable so there is not going to be a victory or a success. Bush says we can only fail if we leave. That’s another strawman. The policy, his policy, has already failed. I believe it was Murtha who first pointed out that Iraq is already lost and Republicans lost it. What we need to do now is leave. We can phase our withdrawal over the 3-6 months that it would take to move out that many soldiers and their equipment. We can try to coordinate our withdrawal with the Iraqis or the subnational groups but we must get out and we must leave as soon as possible. There are no more Friedmans or one last shots left.
Hugh, From time to time my better half takes great pleasure in reminding me, “You know, sometimes you can be a real asshole.” Which, in retrospect, I was, a few weeks back, around election time, IIRC. Please accept my apologies. Back then I was newly de-lurked and posted something that, again in retrospect, was completely off base. Chalk it up to the hubris of the those recently exiting the blogging closet.
Iraq
1) It’s been going on for four years and it’s gets worse rather than better..
2) Public support is sinking almost daily..We haven’t yet gotten to the point where a majority favors immediate withdrawal- but that will come fairly soon without some change.
3) No one has a workable plan for “victory”- that’s just a pile of political bullshit- typical of this president.
4) If we continue on the present course for the duration of the Clusterfuck presidency- there will be an ugly 2008 election about getting the fuck out NOW- and goopers will lose that election- BADLY.
5) If a new dem president and congress take over and walk us out of Iraq- they will be able to write the short term history of Bush failure- that will be very difficult for him to ever escape.
ERGO
We will at least begin the withdrawal from Iraq by 2008- with Clusterfuck claiming (against all evidence) that we won so we can go home- “We did everything we could do to give the Iraqis a good chance at saving their freedom the rest is up to them”.
Of course we will leave behind some more permanenty forces- ta guard the oil fields and keep the Russians out.
(I’m really just thinking out loud here)
Does Clusterfuck care at all whether or not Iraqis are killing one another? Doubt it..
To withdraw american troops from routine patrols is actually a pretty simple thing to do- sure the Iraqi death toll may increase- but that won’t hurt Clusterfuck..
If is satisfied with some “trainers”, some logistical resources- and close air support forces- he can probably cut the forces by 60-70% no problem.
American troops would be in well fortified bases and only come out during severe emergencies.
Thanks for the very thoughtful post Hugh. It would help enormously if the MSM would do their jobs and push the ISG members & leadership to a full court press through Xmas and the new year. That being less than realistic perhaps We the People of the netroots could keep shouting out for action from at least the ISG cast of characters vis-a-vie blogs, letters and op-ed rants, etc. Leon Panetta, i.e., former congress-critter and Clinton chief of staff is very accessible here on the central CA coast. And sensitive, like any thinking former pol, to public opinion. I’m just sayin’ we can and will do our best to keep reminding Panetta as a member of the ISG he has a duty to demand more from the administration. It would help of course if someone more learned than me could post a similar call for action from the other window dressing members of the ISG.
Truth of the matter is that Bush has always longed to be in office long enough to hand the whole problem over to the next President. His history has been one of being bailed out by his Dad, not really ever being successful. If he can hang on for the next two year period, he can just forget about it all. Consequences have never hurt him or hit him or even appeared to be apparent to him; in this way Bush has no conscience.
Women, children, old folk and peace loving people out, troops out, and let the rest go for it.