
It's practically getting to be a joke, isn't it? One more Denver Talibangelical preacher is going down (ahem!), er, stepping down because of his illicit affairs with other men. (via TPM):
Clearly the reprogramming camps are going to have their work cut out for them.
The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted Haggard.(snip)On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace Chapel in this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping down.
Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post that Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.
You know, I have been spending my time since the election attempting to hone my knowledge of the Radical Gay Agenda in hopes of infiltrating the Christianist chuch and bringing it down from within. But it looks like the sad, sick, repressed faggots that run the place are saving me the trouble.
You know, the thing that really frosts me about these men? Well, there's a couple of things, really. One is that they only come out when they're about to be forced out:
The church's associate pastor, Dave Palmer, told the Post that the church got an anonymous call last week from a person who said he had overheard a conversation in which someone mentioned "blowing the whistle" on evangelical preachers engaged in homosexuality, including Barnes. (365Gay.com)
And then we have the dubious privilege of hearing their self-serving, anguished confessions:
The Rev. Paul Barnes of Grace Chapel in South Denver announced in a video taped message to his congregation Sunday that he was stepping down.
"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy," Barnes said in the video according to the Denver Post which was allowed to view the tape.
".. I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away."
In the video Barnes is seen sitting with his wife.
Why do they always drag their poor wives into it?
But, hey, that reminds me of a joke.
Q. What's in the air in Denver that keeps Christian women from getting pregnant?
A. Their husbands' legs.
Thank you, I'll be here all week! Try the veal.
But see, now we're supposed to sit still without giggling while they unspool their angst and beg us to forgive them.
"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy,"
Funny, you know? So have I. Except I didn't feel the need to lie and lie and lie about it. I didn't marry some poor insecure alto from the church choir and then proceed to run around behind her back with other men. I didn't present myself as any kind of moral arbiter to a bunch of weak-minded, easily duped Christianist Sheeple, either.
In a way, I guess I can sort of understand where these guys are coming from, though. Jesus Christ is the Elemental Boyfriend. Sensitive Jewish guy, big brown eyes, rich dad, and he loves you no matter what you do. He would die for you. And there he is, hanging (*cough*) out naked at the front of the church every week. You are encouraged to fasten your eyes upon his lithe, nude body and think about luuurrrrrve. Big lurrrrve. A lurrrrrrve that transcends time and even the bonds of death itself. It's got to send some pretty confusing messages to those poor men's limbic brains.
I know it caused me no end of cognitive dissonance to sit there in church each Sunday and gaze in rapture at the Holy Hipbones and Inner Thighs of Jesus Christ, My Personal Lord and Savior™. But then, you know, I turned 14, kissed my first boy, and never looked back.
It's enough to almost make you feel sorry for them. But I don't. The fact that they can persist in this kind of denial:
During his tearful confession, the 54-year-old acknowledged struggling with his identity since childhood and being racked with self-loathing because of his "firm moral family." Despite being unable to escape himself, even after being reborn, Barnes claimed he could not accept that people were "born that way."
This indicates to me that in spite of everything, somehow Pastor Barnes has found a way to cling to his ignorance, even through his own Gay Sex Hell. Amazing.
Well, good luck at Ex-Gay Camp, Barnes! Give our best to Ted Haggard! I'm sure all it's going to take is some extra super special prayin' and teh gay will just wash right off in the Blood of the Lamb. No worries. Let us know how everything comes out, okay?
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dsp @ 2
Congratulations!!
TRex! : )
Ya know the church prides itself in saying they have a love of man.
I just think the prophet had one letter off!
Wow, TRex, I never really thought of it that way…
Are you spreading rumors about my lord and savior? [hehe ; ) ]
BTW TRex….
You ae my queer hero!
I think Rev Barnes needs a Sodomite T-shirt to wear to re-programing camp. What d’ya reckon?
oddball @ 7
Yes, TRex is THE QUEER HERO!
Hell, I’m supposed to be on vacation…
And I still can’t keep away from here! : )
What kind of national freak out do you think this will cause? The Christianist hordes must be about to lose their damn minds! My oldest best friend in the world became a Christianist a few years ago and is a seminary student now and he is nearly having an existentialist crisis over these never ending homoscandals in his world. I can only hope this whole deal teaches them to be more tolerant.
That reprogramming camp is gonna be mighty full next month when all the evango-facist closet cases make their New Year’s resolutions not to be gay…
I used to feel sorry for these guys, but seriously why do they feel the freaking need to make everyone else miserable. Now I wish them a lifetime in the closet filled with grandma’s polyester pantsuits and orthopedic shoes.
“Queer Hero”? Me?
Awwwwwww.
Just don’t expect me to turn up in tights and a cape. It’s HOMO-MAAAAAAAN!!
Here I come to save the gaaaaaaaays!!
Well, if Pastor Barnes doesn’t like the humans at the ex-gay camp, he can try bonding with the German penguins.
So did I, so did all of us queers!
My goodness, just because Pastor Barnes never got over the reality of his own queerness, why does he have to cause so many people so much grief?!
Cheez Loueez.
In most of the mega-churches, the music is not generally traditional hymns and songs played on a pipe organ and piano, but upbeat rock-style stuff with a praise band. Most of it has an image of God/Jesus as a mighty Warrior King or else they are love songs to or about Jesus. In some academic circles, the songs in the latter group are called “Jesus is My Boyfriend” music.
You nailed it tonight, TRex!
So, is this “rehab” camp called True Directions for Gay People?
What on earth is going on in Colorado?
Is it the new Fire Island?
It could have been worse. It could have been boys instead of men.
Good stuff.
I’m reminded of the line that a girl can’t get pregnant as long as she keeps one foot on the ground.
Pony Blow
also, there is a WH “lexicon”.
(Just reporting the caca I’m watching on cspan.)
So this explains why the Fundies celebrate forest destruction
They’re repressing their inner faeries.
______________
And congrats dsp! Long may you zed.
David Ehrenstein @ 17
I hear it’s a hell of a place . . .
Then he dumps you for a cater-waiter with killer washboard abs.
petedownunder @ 8
Maybe send him the sheet music for the Burton Lane classic “How Are Things in Old Gomorrah?”
David Ehrenstein @ 17
laugh of the day
No bike shorts, no tight clothing, no mesh shirts, half shirts or tank tops. No sharing of cigarettes. Then the he-men husbands of the wives of the church come in and talk to you about manly things. No gay behavior is permitted in presto chainjo jesus camp for ex-gays.
I picked up these bits from a story on NPR a couple of months ago. Its incredible - both the idea of converting gays and the fact that NPR is carrying so much water for the right wing fascisti by giving them the platform to present such garbage.
“Oh
I got a message from below
‘Twas from a man I used to know
About a year or so ago
Before he departed
He
Is just as happy as can be
I’ll tell you what he said to me
He said, “If ever you get heavy-hearted
Pack up your sins and go to the devil in Hades
You’ll meet the finest of gentlemen and the finest of ladies
They’d rather be down below than up above
Hades is full of thousands of
Joneses and Browns, O’Hoolihans, Cohens and Bradys
You’ll hear a heavenly tune that went to the devil
Because the jazz bands
They started pickin’ it
Then put a trick in it
A jazzy kick in it
They’ve got a couple of old reformers in Heaven
Making them go to bed at eleven
Pack up your sins and go to the devil
And you’ll never have to go to bed at all
If you care to dwell where the weather is hot
H-E-double-L is a wonderful spot
If you need a rest and you’re all out of sorts
Hades is the best of the winter resorts
Paradise doesn’t compare
All the nice people are there
They come there from ev’rywhere
Just to revel with Mister Devil
Nothing on his mind but a couple of horns
Satan is waitin’ with his jazz band
And his band came from Alabam’ with a melody hot
No one gives a damn if it’s music or not
Satan’s melody makes you want to dance forever
And you never have to go to bed at all”
Peterr @ 15
Nobody writes about this dynamic quite as well as Jesus’ General.
more:
m’kay!
(what rot.)
David Ehrenstein @ 23
Speak for yourself. He told me He would love me forever and ever and ever. No matter what.
honey, I just can’t stop laughing. My sides hurt. Holy Hipbones and Inner Thighs!
My king, my therapod, I bow again before thee.
Dude, it’s teh ghey.
Gotta keep up wid da spelling, man.
WHOA! I would not have wanted to be at that Sunday morning service…
Just the sight of all the exploding heads would make me want to lose my breakfast.
it astounds me that someone who acknowledges that his emotional attraction to other males began when he was five (i.e., as far back as he can remember) still refuses to accept that maybe, just maybe, HE WAS BORN “THAT WAY”.
jeeze.
e.c. @ 34
Staggering, isn’t it?
TRex @ 35
Old joke:
Gay guy#1: My mother made me a homosexual
Gay guy#2 If I got her the material would she make me one?
TRex @ 35
Wouldn’t the only other conclusion be that everybody experiences such attractions from early childhood, and many “control” them better than Barnes did? If so many people stay on the straight path with or without Jesus, wouldn’t the fundie concept of sexual orientation have to lead Barnes to the conclusion that he’s just morally weak and evil?
Disclaimer: all of the above is bullshit, of course. Barnes is just gay and desperately trying to lock the closet door from the inside.
If you’ve never seen the episode of The Simpsons with John Waters, you should check it out.
Marge: Didn’t John seem a little… festive to you?
Homer: Couldn’t agree more, happy as a clam.
Marge: He prefers the company of men!
Homer: Who doesn’t?
The Simpsons, episode 168 “Homer’s Phobia”
I had to go to a school board meeting once where the school just wanted to include sexual orientation in the non-discrimination clause of its bylaws. A whole bunch of people from the mega church came in and brought a bunch of “cured” gay men. One was one of my son’s teachers.
It was pure lunacy. He tried to save me when I approached him after the meeting. He was like a crack addict for Jesus, the same thought process and reasoning as an addict.
Very scary people.
one could be an abnormality
two could be a coincidence
but if we find a THIRD GAY Talabangelical preacher in the next six months, I’d say that EVERY talabangelical preacher is suspect
and a lot of the congregation is also suspect
I’ve always suspected that extreme homophobia is caused by self-loathing
now, there goes your proof
anybody who is out in the streets protesting against homosexuals has some really deep “self loathing” issues
Staggering, isn’t it?
none are so blind as those who will not see.
Umm, maybe there’s some tendency toward masochism here. Some (but, possibly, not all) of these weepy Xtian preachers, suffering from a conflicted soul, might actually have been enjoying their plight… identifying, as it were, with the suffering of their savior.
That, at any rate, might explain their reticence until someone else outed them….
David Ehrenstein @
27
I like that one a lot, David. Is there a chart around for it, do you know?
That religion is tuff stuff, and not just for the conflicting sexual messages. It just messes with your ability to continue thinking and exploring your reality. Some people seem to take a sense of security away from being awash with luuuurrrrve, but I think just as many feel security for not having to worry about the nature of the cosmos or their place in it any longer.
I went to a Catholic, Benedictine Monastery College in the backwoods of Minnesota for a year (kinda like Name of the Rose, Jacob Whetterling disappeared up there), and I can attest to just how many of those poor souls are tortured. It has been that way for centuries I’m sure. It seems embedded in the nature of a religious denial of self in search of enlightenment. I don’t think it actually works too well…the brothers were not a happy lot.
Trex, you’ve shared some of your adolescent experiences before; it doesn’t sound like you had an easy time of it, but I think you have managed a far, far better result for yourself than any of those poor souls who thought piety would ‘cure’ something.
TRex @
30
Does he phone?
freepatriot @ 40
Bill Frist is going to turn up tied to a hotel room bed in Nashville wearing a pink tutu and a ball gag in ten…nine…eight…seven…
Only for booty-calls, the cad.
“Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Could nature make a man of me yet?
When in this charming car
This charming man
Why ponder life’s complexities
When the leather runs smooth
On the passenger seat?
I would go out tonight
But I haven’t got a stitch to wear
This man said it’s crucial
That someone so handsome should care
Ah ! I’m just a country boy
Who never knew his place
He said return the ring
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things
I would go out tonight
But I haven’t got a stitch to wear
This man said it’s crucial
That someone so handsome should care
La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man …
La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man …
Ah! I’m just a country boy
Who never knew his place
He said return the ring
He knows so much about these things”
catfood @ 38
Is that the same episode where Homer gets worried about Bart’s orientation and takes him to the steel mill to get him around Real Men?
“We work hard…and we play hard!”
TRex @ 46
Now I need brain bleach before bed.
UptownNYChick @ 39
Hi UTNYChick, haven’t seen you in ages (waving).
TRex @ 46
And Sam Brownback is going to swear he had nothing, nothing whatsoever to do with it….
HotFlash @ 52
waving back
hello. It’s my busy season at work, have been putting in looooooooong days. But I missed Late Nite a lot.
montag @ 53
And Lynne Cheney was taking notes, but says it’s just for her next novel . . .
It’s by a Berlin named Irving. I have a recording by Dorothy Loudon. It’s pretty obscure.
montag @ 53
Maybe Frist will take a fishing trip up Brownback Mountain that gets caught on video!
Peterr @ 55
Not unless Frist and Brownback are hiding a little more than just shady finances.
montag @ 53
Is there a gorilla involved in this? do we have to call PETA?
or santorum?
David Ehrenstein @ 48
That’s Morrisey of The Smiths. IIRC, I think he was still with The Smiths on that one.
“After one whole quart of brandy
Like a daisy, I’m awake
With no Bromo-Seltzer handy
I don’t even shake
Men are not a new sensation
I’ve done pretty well I think
But this half-pint imitation
Put me on the blink
I’m wild again, beguiled again
A simpering, whimpering child again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I
Couldn’t sleep and wouldn’t sleep
When love came and told me, I shouldn’t sleep
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I
Lost my heart, but what of it
He is cold I agree
He can laugh, but I love it
Although the laugh’s on me
I’ll sing to him, each spring to him
And long, for the day when I’ll cling to him
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I
He’s a fool and don’t I know it
But a fool can have his charms
I’m in love and don’t I show it
Like a babe in arms
Love’s the same old sad sensation
Lately I’ve not slept a wink
Since this half-pint imitation
Put me on the blink
I’ve sinned a lot, I’m mean a lot
But I’m like sweet seventeen a lot
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I
I’ll sing to him, each spring to him
And worship the trousers that cling to him
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I
When he talks, he is seeking
Words to get off his chest
Horizontally speaking, he’s at his very best
Vexed again, perplexed again
Thank God, I can be oversexed again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - am I
Wise at last, my eyes at last,
Are cutting you down to your size at last
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - no more
Burned a lot, but learned a lot
And now you are broke, so you earned a lot
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - no more
Couldn’t eat, was dispeptic
Life was so hard to bear
Now my heart’s antiseptic
Since you moved out of there
Romance, finis.
Your chance, finis.
Those ants that invaded my pants, finis.
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered - no more”
(Lorenz Hart
knew EVERYTHING!)
I had two amazing parents and a twin brother who always had my back.
But, hey, sometime when I’ve dealt with it more and the Foley mess dies down, I’ll tell you about getting molested.
Yeah, adolescence, what a party.
How BLEAK was my PUBERTY!!
(Agnes Gooch)
David Ehrenstein @ 55
I’ll hunt it down, we have a good music library here in TO and another in Ottawa. One or t’other should turn it up, if not I’ll come visit you some time ; )
That one would be fun to sing.
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!!
He was indeed. Moz is in Italy these days, cutting tracs with Ennio Morricone and pursuing a new Italian boyfriend.
UptownNYChick @ 58
Umm, santorum may be involved, but not in person….
Any Texans here? Is this for real?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/.....56629.html
I guess is ol Deadeye is allowed to shoot his friends in the face, why not blind people?
What ever happened to the rabid, Cal. mega-church, anti-gay preacher who was arrested in Tulsa for soliciting a blow-job from a male cop? This guy was on the exec. committee of the Southern Baptist Convention.
TRex @ 64
Thanks…I just couldn’t quite remember the song they used for that scene.
TRex @ 12
so if we’re waiting for the first superhero in a tutu, we should prepare for disappointment ???
Personally, I think a 60 foot dinosaur can wear whatever he or she wants
but hurry up and decide, cuz we gotta have those action figures ready for Xmas
TRex @ 61
Well, don’t divulge anything you’re uncomfortable with…wait a minute, who am I talking too? Theropods have inhibitions!!??
johnSwifty @ 44
I’d say that the problem is that when reality conflicts with your religion, it’s not reality that needs to change. These folks deny there’s such a thing a being gay, that evolution is what shapes life on this planet, and that there’s any reason to fix what’s broke down here on planet Earth, because some day soon their god’s going to come down here and take all the good people with him. When you’re willing to deny reality to that extent, perceiving reality is going to be a random occurance, at best.
freepatriot @ 70
Tutus are sooooo not made for flying. They just blow right off.
UptownNYChick @
11
You are one very funny Uptown New York chick! Polyester poisoning and stinky ole shoes….FOTHFLMAO!
Cujo359 @ 72
It’d be a miracle.
By the way, it is a great honor to have the illustrious David E here with us tonight.
TRex @ 61
I have to tell you a secret-
I learned to love knocking heads on your behalf. That’s where I learned to be a brawler and that a bloody nose in defense of my twin’s safety was a small price to pay to Do the Right Thing.
You didn’t get to be an aggressive homobigot in our high school without a visit from Patrex. I may have carried it too far once or twice, but extremism in the defense if liberty, etc etc…
I can just see all those Fundy wives tonite turning over in bed to look at their husbands: “Junya, remember ah marriage vows where ya’ promised to never leave me forah ‘nother woman?…OH…MA…GAWD! And ya’ve gotta “PINK” golfshirt!”
Gonna be some…queer…looks in Fundyland tonite!
didn’t you write a Late Nite about one of those evango-fascist preachers who wrote a column saying it was the wives fault?
These people are just awful.
Mad Dogs @ 77
“You spend more time with ‘the boys’ than you do with me….”
Cujo359 @ 71
And I’d say you’re right on the mark. Is it any wonder that Karl Rove saw this poor group of hapless souls as the easiest marks of the century? By their very nature and conditioning they are voluntarily reduced to flock/herd/lemming mentality. On a tangent, what do you call a group of lemmings? I know crows are a ‘murder,’ and I love that. Lemmings in collection should be something like a ‘tumbledown’. Fundamentalists in collection are just a bunch of suckers.
Mad Dogs @ 78
We live in hope.
I suppose it’s bad to laugh at their pain.
HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAA-HAAAAAAAAA!!
Ahem.
EvilDrPuma @
57
Sam would be mortified.
Heading home, kids.
See you in a bit.
Peterr @ 74
So I guess it’s too much to hope that maybe with all these outings they’ll figure out Jesus/God is trying to tell them bein’ gay is O.K.?
The quote from the story I like best….
“I can’t tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away.”
These idiots will never get it through their heads that you cant just pray the gay away.
@78 .. I think it was the fact that the wives “let themelves go”. That was the problem.
My pleasure, TRex.
Steve @ 86
Yup, to the fatassed preachers with erectile problems and conflicted morals, it’s always the wimmens’ fault….
Oh dear! TRex, looks like you’ve been called out by Ann Altmouse.
And by Ann Althouse, but that’s far less interesting and a lot goofier.
Here’s a piece I just wrote tangential to tonight’s topic
The sheer amount of denial about these situations tends to stagger me. I’m betting the parents had no small influence in their thinking, and like most people? They went with what they were told, instead of thinking for themselves.
It’s sad that it even happens. Of course, this is america. Where independant thinking (outside established boundries) is frowned on and discouraged in the worst ways. Even to the questioning of something as hard wired as one’s attraction to others.
I think that all “fundie” preachers should be ask to pass the Univ. of Georgia “Peter Meter” test before being allowed to pass the collection plate.
May God bless you, TRex, for faithfully following the path God chose for you, even though it is a difficult one.
Too bad the fundies in Denver (and elsewhere) thought they knew better than God and turned away from the path God chose for them.
You’re saying he’s a “Haggardarian?”
http://www.seriouskidding.com
“He unbuttoned his business shirt, revealing jungle-pattern surgical scrubs and a pair of hairy, toned biceps.”
Bill Frist. A Real Man.
Thers @ 90
Ann “Whiny Lawyer Woman” Althouse sez:
You don’t often see haymakers like that outside a Nerf testing lab.
And, Ann…when it comes to you, TRex has been nothing if not actively aggressive. Now go scuttle off and get laid or something.
Just started reading Going to Heaven, the recently published biography of Bishop Gene Robinson. His view of God stands in such stark contrast to what we see in these self-hating closeted gay preachers. Something definitely went right in his upbringing.
Wives who’ve “let themselves go”?
Take it away Charles Aznavour!
“Drle, ce que t’es drle regarder
T’es l t’attends tu fais la tte
Et moi j’ai envie de rigoler
C’est l’alcool qui monte en ma tte
Tout l’alcool que j’ai pris ce soir
Afin de puiser le courage
De t’avouer que j’en ai mare
De toi et de tes commrages
De ton corps qui me laisse sage
Et qui m’enlve tout espoir
J’en ai assez faut bien que je te le dise
Tu m’exapres tu me tyrannises
Je subis ton sale caractre
Sans oser dire que t’exagres
Oui t’exagres tu le sais maintemant
Parfois je voudrais t’trangler
Dieu ce que t’as chang en 5 ans
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisses aller
Tu es belle regarder
Tes bas tombant sur tes chaussures
Et ton vieux peignoir mal ferm
Et tes bigoudis quelle allure
Je me demande chaque jour
Comment as-tu fais pour me plaire
Comment ai-je pu te faire l’amour
Et t’alliner ma vie entire
Comme a tu ressembles ta mre
Car rien pour inspirer l’amour
Devant mes amis quelle catastrophe
Tu me contredis, tu m’apostrophes
Avec ton venin et ta hargne
Tu ferais battre des montagnes
Ah j’ai dcroch le gros lot
Le jour o je t’ai rencontr
Si tu te taisais, ce serait trop beau non!
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisses aller
Tu es une brute et un tyran
Tu n’as pas de cœur et pas d’me et pourtant
Pourtant, je pense bien souvent que
Malgr tout tu es ma femme
Si tu voulais faire un effort
Tout pourrait reprendre sa place
Pour maigrir, fais un peu de sport
Arrange toi devant ta glace
Accroche un sourire ta face
Maquille ton cœur et ton corps
Au lieu de penser que je te dteste
De me fuir comme la peste
Essaie de te montrer gentille
Redeviens la petite fille
qui m’a donn tant de bonheur
Et parfois comme par le pass
J’aimerais que tout contre mon coeur
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisser aller “