
It's practically getting to be a joke, isn't it? One more Denver Talibangelical preacher is going down (ahem!), er, stepping down because of his illicit affairs with other men. (via TPM):
Clearly the reprogramming camps are going to have their work cut out for them.
The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted Haggard.
(snip)
On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace Chapel in this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping down.
Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post that Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.
You know, I have been spending my time since the election attempting to hone my knowledge of the Radical Gay Agenda in hopes of infiltrating the Christianist chuch and bringing it down from within. But it looks like the sad, sick, repressed faggots that run the place are saving me the trouble.
You know, the thing that really frosts me about these men? Well, there's a couple of things, really. One is that they only come out when they're about to be forced out:
The church's associate pastor, Dave Palmer, told the Post that the church got an anonymous call last week from a person who said he had overheard a conversation in which someone mentioned "blowing the whistle" on evangelical preachers engaged in homosexuality, including Barnes. (365Gay.com)
And then we have the dubious privilege of hearing their self-serving, anguished confessions:
The Rev. Paul Barnes of Grace Chapel in South Denver announced in a video taped message to his congregation Sunday that he was stepping down.
"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy," Barnes said in the video according to the Denver Post which was allowed to view the tape.
".. I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away."
In the video Barnes is seen sitting with his wife.
Why do they always drag their poor wives into it?
But, hey, that reminds me of a joke.
Q. What's in the air in Denver that keeps Christian women from getting pregnant?
A. Their husbands' legs.
Thank you, I'll be here all week! Try the veal.
But see, now we're supposed to sit still without giggling while they unspool their angst and beg us to forgive them.
"I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old boy,"
Funny, you know? So have I. Except I didn't feel the need to lie and lie and lie about it. I didn't marry some poor insecure alto from the church choir and then proceed to run around behind her back with other men. I didn't present myself as any kind of moral arbiter to a bunch of weak-minded, easily duped Christianist Sheeple, either.
In a way, I guess I can sort of understand where these guys are coming from, though. Jesus Christ is the Elemental Boyfriend. Sensitive Jewish guy, big brown eyes, rich dad, and he loves you no matter what you do. He would die for you. And there he is, hanging (*cough*) out naked at the front of the church every week. You are encouraged to fasten your eyes upon his lithe, nude body and think about luuurrrrrve. Big lurrrrve. A lurrrrrrve that transcends time and even the bonds of death itself. It's got to send some pretty confusing messages to those poor men's limbic brains.
I know it caused me no end of cognitive dissonance to sit there in church each Sunday and gaze in rapture at the Holy Hipbones and Inner Thighs of Jesus Christ, My Personal Lord and Savior™. But then, you know, I turned 14, kissed my first boy, and never looked back.
It's enough to almost make you feel sorry for them. But I don't. The fact that they can persist in this kind of denial:
During his tearful confession, the 54-year-old acknowledged struggling with his identity since childhood and being racked with self-loathing because of his "firm moral family." Despite being unable to escape himself, even after being reborn, Barnes claimed he could not accept that people were "born that way."
This indicates to me that in spite of everything, somehow Pastor Barnes has found a way to cling to his ignorance, even through his own Gay Sex Hell. Amazing.
Well, good luck at Ex-Gay Camp, Barnes! Give our best to Ted Haggard! I'm sure all it's going to take is some extra super special prayin' and teh gay will just wash right off in the Blood of the Lamb. No worries. Let us know how everything comes out, okay?
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Really?
Had to de-lurk to get the 0!
dsp @ 2
Congratulations!!
TRex! : )
Ya know the church prides itself in saying they have a love of man.
I just think the prophet had one letter off!
Wow, TRex, I never really thought of it that way…
Are you spreading rumors about my lord and savior? [hehe ; ) ]
BTW TRex….
You ae my queer hero!
I think Rev Barnes needs a Sodomite T-shirt to wear to re-programing camp. What d’ya reckon?
oddball @ 7
Yes, TRex is THE QUEER HERO!
Hell, I’m supposed to be on vacation…
And I still can’t keep away from here! : )
What kind of national freak out do you think this will cause? The Christianist hordes must be about to lose their damn minds! My oldest best friend in the world became a Christianist a few years ago and is a seminary student now and he is nearly having an existentialist crisis over these never ending homoscandals in his world. I can only hope this whole deal teaches them to be more tolerant.
That reprogramming camp is gonna be mighty full next month when all the evango-facist closet cases make their New Year’s resolutions not to be gay…
I used to feel sorry for these guys, but seriously why do they feel the freaking need to make everyone else miserable. Now I wish them a lifetime in the closet filled with grandma’s polyester pantsuits and orthopedic shoes.
“Queer Hero”? Me?
Awwwwwww.
Just don’t expect me to turn up in tights and a cape. It’s HOMO-MAAAAAAAN!!
Here I come to save the gaaaaaaaays!!
Well, if Pastor Barnes doesn’t like the humans at the ex-gay camp, he can try bonding with the German penguins.
So did I, so did all of us queers!
My goodness, just because Pastor Barnes never got over the reality of his own queerness, why does he have to cause so many people so much grief?!
Cheez Loueez.
In most of the mega-churches, the music is not generally traditional hymns and songs played on a pipe organ and piano, but upbeat rock-style stuff with a praise band. Most of it has an image of God/Jesus as a mighty Warrior King or else they are love songs to or about Jesus. In some academic circles, the songs in the latter group are called “Jesus is My Boyfriend” music.
You nailed it tonight, TRex!
So, is this “rehab” camp called True Directions for Gay People?
What on earth is going on in Colorado?
Is it the new Fire Island?
It could have been worse. It could have been boys instead of men.
Good stuff.
I’m reminded of the line that a girl can’t get pregnant as long as she keeps one foot on the ground.
Pony Blow
also, there is a WH “lexicon”.
(Just reporting the caca I’m watching on cspan.)
So this explains why the Fundies celebrate forest destruction
They’re repressing their inner faeries.
______________
And congrats dsp! Long may you zed.
David Ehrenstein @ 17
I hear it’s a hell of a place . . .
Then he dumps you for a cater-waiter with killer washboard abs.
petedownunder @ 8
Maybe send him the sheet music for the Burton Lane classic “How Are Things in Old Gomorrah?”
David Ehrenstein @ 17
laugh of the day
No bike shorts, no tight clothing, no mesh shirts, half shirts or tank tops. No sharing of cigarettes. Then the he-men husbands of the wives of the church come in and talk to you about manly things. No gay behavior is permitted in presto chainjo jesus camp for ex-gays.
I picked up these bits from a story on NPR a couple of months ago. Its incredible – both the idea of converting gays and the fact that NPR is carrying so much water for the right wing fascisti by giving them the platform to present such garbage.
“Oh
I got a message from below
‘Twas from a man I used to know
About a year or so ago
Before he departed
He
Is just as happy as can be
I’ll tell you what he said to me
He said, “If ever you get heavy-hearted
Pack up your sins and go to the devil in Hades
You’ll meet the finest of gentlemen and the finest of ladies
They’d rather be down below than up above
Hades is full of thousands of
Joneses and Browns, O’Hoolihans, Cohens and Bradys
You’ll hear a heavenly tune that went to the devil
Because the jazz bands
They started pickin’ it
Then put a trick in it
A jazzy kick in it
They’ve got a couple of old reformers in Heaven
Making them go to bed at eleven
Pack up your sins and go to the devil
And you’ll never have to go to bed at all
If you care to dwell where the weather is hot
H-E-double-L is a wonderful spot
If you need a rest and you’re all out of sorts
Hades is the best of the winter resorts
Paradise doesn’t compare
All the nice people are there
They come there from ev’rywhere
Just to revel with Mister Devil
Nothing on his mind but a couple of horns
Satan is waitin’ with his jazz band
And his band came from Alabam’ with a melody hot
No one gives a damn if it’s music or not
Satan’s melody makes you want to dance forever
And you never have to go to bed at all”
Peterr @ 15
Nobody writes about this dynamic quite as well as Jesus’ General.
more:
m’kay!
(what rot.)
David Ehrenstein @ 23
Speak for yourself. He told me He would love me forever and ever and ever. No matter what.
honey, I just can’t stop laughing. My sides hurt. Holy Hipbones and Inner Thighs!
My king, my therapod, I bow again before thee.
Dude, it’s teh ghey.
Gotta keep up wid da spelling, man.
WHOA! I would not have wanted to be at that Sunday morning service…
Just the sight of all the exploding heads would make me want to lose my breakfast.
it astounds me that someone who acknowledges that his emotional attraction to other males began when he was five (i.e., as far back as he can remember) still refuses to accept that maybe, just maybe, HE WAS BORN “THAT WAY”.
jeeze.
e.c. @ 34
Staggering, isn’t it?
TRex @ 35
Old joke:
Gay guy#1: My mother made me a homosexual
Gay guy#2 If I got her the material would she make me one?
TRex @ 35
Wouldn’t the only other conclusion be that everybody experiences such attractions from early childhood, and many “control” them better than Barnes did? If so many people stay on the straight path with or without Jesus, wouldn’t the fundie concept of sexual orientation have to lead Barnes to the conclusion that he’s just morally weak and evil?
Disclaimer: all of the above is bullshit, of course. Barnes is just gay and desperately trying to lock the closet door from the inside.
If you’ve never seen the episode of The Simpsons with John Waters, you should check it out.
Marge: Didn’t John seem a little… festive to you?
Homer: Couldn’t agree more, happy as a clam.
Marge: He prefers the company of men!
Homer: Who doesn’t?
The Simpsons, episode 168 “Homer’s Phobia”
I had to go to a school board meeting once where the school just wanted to include sexual orientation in the non-discrimination clause of its bylaws. A whole bunch of people from the mega church came in and brought a bunch of “cured” gay men. One was one of my son’s teachers.
It was pure lunacy. He tried to save me when I approached him after the meeting. He was like a crack addict for Jesus, the same thought process and reasoning as an addict.
Very scary people.
one could be an abnormality
two could be a coincidence
but if we find a THIRD GAY Talabangelical preacher in the next six months, I’d say that EVERY talabangelical preacher is suspect
and a lot of the congregation is also suspect
I’ve always suspected that extreme homophobia is caused by self-loathing
now, there goes your proof
anybody who is out in the streets protesting against homosexuals has some really deep “self loathing” issues
Staggering, isn’t it?
none are so blind as those who will not see.
Umm, maybe there’s some tendency toward masochism here. Some (but, possibly, not all) of these weepy Xtian preachers, suffering from a conflicted soul, might actually have been enjoying their plight… identifying, as it were, with the suffering of their savior.
That, at any rate, might explain their reticence until someone else outed them….
David Ehrenstein @
27
I like that one a lot, David. Is there a chart around for it, do you know?
That religion is tuff stuff, and not just for the conflicting sexual messages. It just messes with your ability to continue thinking and exploring your reality. Some people seem to take a sense of security away from being awash with luuuurrrrve, but I think just as many feel security for not having to worry about the nature of the cosmos or their place in it any longer.
I went to a Catholic, Benedictine Monastery College in the backwoods of Minnesota for a year (kinda like Name of the Rose, Jacob Whetterling disappeared up there), and I can attest to just how many of those poor souls are tortured. It has been that way for centuries I’m sure. It seems embedded in the nature of a religious denial of self in search of enlightenment. I don’t think it actually works too well…the brothers were not a happy lot.
Trex, you’ve shared some of your adolescent experiences before; it doesn’t sound like you had an easy time of it, but I think you have managed a far, far better result for yourself than any of those poor souls who thought piety would ‘cure’ something.
TRex @
30
Does he phone?
freepatriot @ 40
Bill Frist is going to turn up tied to a hotel room bed in Nashville wearing a pink tutu and a ball gag in ten…nine…eight…seven…
Only for booty-calls, the cad.
“Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Could nature make a man of me yet?
When in this charming car
This charming man
Why ponder life’s complexities
When the leather runs smooth
On the passenger seat?
I would go out tonight
But I haven’t got a stitch to wear
This man said it’s crucial
That someone so handsome should care
Ah ! I’m just a country boy
Who never knew his place
He said return the ring
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things
I would go out tonight
But I haven’t got a stitch to wear
This man said it’s crucial
That someone so handsome should care
La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man …
La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man …
Ah! I’m just a country boy
Who never knew his place
He said return the ring
He knows so much about these things”
catfood @ 38
Is that the same episode where Homer gets worried about Bart’s orientation and takes him to the steel mill to get him around Real Men?
“We work hard…and we play hard!”
TRex @ 46
Now I need brain bleach before bed.
UptownNYChick @ 39
Hi UTNYChick, haven’t seen you in ages (waving).
TRex @ 46
And Sam Brownback is going to swear he had nothing, nothing whatsoever to do with it….
HotFlash @ 52
waving back
hello. It’s my busy season at work, have been putting in looooooooong days. But I missed Late Nite a lot.
montag @ 53
And Lynne Cheney was taking notes, but says it’s just for her next novel . . .
It’s by a Berlin named Irving. I have a recording by Dorothy Loudon. It’s pretty obscure.
montag @ 53
Maybe Frist will take a fishing trip up Brownback Mountain that gets caught on video!
Peterr @ 55
Not unless Frist and Brownback are hiding a little more than just shady finances.
montag @ 53
Is there a gorilla involved in this? do we have to call PETA?
or santorum?
David Ehrenstein @ 48
That’s Morrisey of The Smiths. IIRC, I think he was still with The Smiths on that one.
“After one whole quart of brandy
Like a daisy, I’m awake
With no Bromo-Seltzer handy
I don’t even shake
Men are not a new sensation
I’ve done pretty well I think
But this half-pint imitation
Put me on the blink
I’m wild again, beguiled again
A simpering, whimpering child again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – am I
Couldn’t sleep and wouldn’t sleep
When love came and told me, I shouldn’t sleep
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – am I
Lost my heart, but what of it
He is cold I agree
He can laugh, but I love it
Although the laugh’s on me
I’ll sing to him, each spring to him
And long, for the day when I’ll cling to him
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – am I
He’s a fool and don’t I know it
But a fool can have his charms
I’m in love and don’t I show it
Like a babe in arms
Love’s the same old sad sensation
Lately I’ve not slept a wink
Since this half-pint imitation
Put me on the blink
I’ve sinned a lot, I’m mean a lot
But I’m like sweet seventeen a lot
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – am I
I’ll sing to him, each spring to him
And worship the trousers that cling to him
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – am I
When he talks, he is seeking
Words to get off his chest
Horizontally speaking, he’s at his very best
Vexed again, perplexed again
Thank God, I can be oversexed again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – am I
Wise at last, my eyes at last,
Are cutting you down to your size at last
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – no more
Burned a lot, but learned a lot
And now you are broke, so you earned a lot
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – no more
Couldn’t eat, was dispeptic
Life was so hard to bear
Now my heart’s antiseptic
Since you moved out of there
Romance, finis.
Your chance, finis.
Those ants that invaded my pants, finis.
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered – no more”
(Lorenz Hart
knew EVERYTHING!)
I had two amazing parents and a twin brother who always had my back.
But, hey, sometime when I’ve dealt with it more and the Foley mess dies down, I’ll tell you about getting molested.
Yeah, adolescence, what a party.
How BLEAK was my PUBERTY!!
(Agnes Gooch)
David Ehrenstein @ 55
I’ll hunt it down, we have a good music library here in TO and another in Ottawa. One or t’other should turn it up, if not I’ll come visit you some time ; )
That one would be fun to sing.
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW!!
He was indeed. Moz is in Italy these days, cutting tracs with Ennio Morricone and pursuing a new Italian boyfriend.
UptownNYChick @ 58
Umm, santorum may be involved, but not in person….
Any Texans here? Is this for real?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/…..56629.html
I guess is ol Deadeye is allowed to shoot his friends in the face, why not blind people?
What ever happened to the rabid, Cal. mega-church, anti-gay preacher who was arrested in Tulsa for soliciting a blow-job from a male cop? This guy was on the exec. committee of the Southern Baptist Convention.
TRex @ 64
Thanks…I just couldn’t quite remember the song they used for that scene.
TRex @ 12
so if we’re waiting for the first superhero in a tutu, we should prepare for disappointment ???
Personally, I think a 60 foot dinosaur can wear whatever he or she wants
but hurry up and decide, cuz we gotta have those action figures ready for Xmas
TRex @ 61
Well, don’t divulge anything you’re uncomfortable with…wait a minute, who am I talking too? Theropods have inhibitions!!??
johnSwifty @ 44
I’d say that the problem is that when reality conflicts with your religion, it’s not reality that needs to change. These folks deny there’s such a thing a being gay, that evolution is what shapes life on this planet, and that there’s any reason to fix what’s broke down here on planet Earth, because some day soon their god’s going to come down here and take all the good people with him. When you’re willing to deny reality to that extent, perceiving reality is going to be a random occurance, at best.
freepatriot @ 70
Tutus are sooooo not made for flying. They just blow right off.
UptownNYChick @
11
You are one very funny Uptown New York chick! Polyester poisoning and stinky ole shoes….FOTHFLMAO!
Cujo359 @ 72
It’d be a miracle.
By the way, it is a great honor to have the illustrious David E here with us tonight.
TRex @ 61
I have to tell you a secret-
I learned to love knocking heads on your behalf. That’s where I learned to be a brawler and that a bloody nose in defense of my twin’s safety was a small price to pay to Do the Right Thing.
You didn’t get to be an aggressive homobigot in our high school without a visit from Patrex. I may have carried it too far once or twice, but extremism in the defense if liberty, etc etc…
I can just see all those Fundy wives tonite turning over in bed to look at their husbands: “Junya, remember ah marriage vows where ya’ promised to never leave me forah ‘nother woman?…OH…MA…GAWD! And ya’ve gotta “PINK” golfshirt!”
Gonna be some…queer…looks in Fundyland tonite!
didn’t you write a Late Nite about one of those evango-fascist preachers who wrote a column saying it was the wives fault?
These people are just awful.
Mad Dogs @ 77
“You spend more time with ‘the boys’ than you do with me….”
Cujo359 @ 71
And I’d say you’re right on the mark. Is it any wonder that Karl Rove saw this poor group of hapless souls as the easiest marks of the century? By their very nature and conditioning they are voluntarily reduced to flock/herd/lemming mentality. On a tangent, what do you call a group of lemmings? I know crows are a ‘murder,’ and I love that. Lemmings in collection should be something like a ‘tumbledown’. Fundamentalists in collection are just a bunch of suckers.
Mad Dogs @ 78
We live in hope.
I suppose it’s bad to laugh at their pain.
HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAA-HAAAAAAAAA!!
Ahem.
EvilDrPuma @
57
Sam would be mortified.
Heading home, kids.
See you in a bit.
Peterr @ 74
So I guess it’s too much to hope that maybe with all these outings they’ll figure out Jesus/God is trying to tell them bein’ gay is O.K.?
The quote from the story I like best….
“I can’t tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep, begging God to take this away.”
These idiots will never get it through their heads that you cant just pray the gay away.
@78 .. I think it was the fact that the wives “let themelves go”. That was the problem.
My pleasure, TRex.
Steve @ 86
Yup, to the fatassed preachers with erectile problems and conflicted morals, it’s always the wimmens’ fault….
Oh dear! TRex, looks like you’ve been called out by Ann Altmouse.
And by Ann Althouse, but that’s far less interesting and a lot goofier.
Here’s a piece I just wrote tangential to tonight’s topic
The sheer amount of denial about these situations tends to stagger me. I’m betting the parents had no small influence in their thinking, and like most people? They went with what they were told, instead of thinking for themselves.
It’s sad that it even happens. Of course, this is america. Where independant thinking (outside established boundries) is frowned on and discouraged in the worst ways. Even to the questioning of something as hard wired as one’s attraction to others.
I think that all “fundie” preachers should be ask to pass the Univ. of Georgia “Peter Meter” test before being allowed to pass the collection plate.
May God bless you, TRex, for faithfully following the path God chose for you, even though it is a difficult one.
Too bad the fundies in Denver (and elsewhere) thought they knew better than God and turned away from the path God chose for them.
You’re saying he’s a “Haggardarian?”
http://www.seriouskidding.com
“He unbuttoned his business shirt, revealing jungle-pattern surgical scrubs and a pair of hairy, toned biceps.”
Bill Frist. A Real Man.
Thers @ 90
Ann “Whiny Lawyer Woman” Althouse sez:
You don’t often see haymakers like that outside a Nerf testing lab.
And, Ann…when it comes to you, TRex has been nothing if not actively aggressive. Now go scuttle off and get laid or something.
Just started reading Going to Heaven, the recently published biography of Bishop Gene Robinson. His view of God stands in such stark contrast to what we see in these self-hating closeted gay preachers. Something definitely went right in his upbringing.
Wives who’ve “let themselves go”?
Take it away Charles Aznavour!
“Drle, ce que t’es drle regarder
T’es l t’attends tu fais la tte
Et moi j’ai envie de rigoler
C’est l’alcool qui monte en ma tte
Tout l’alcool que j’ai pris ce soir
Afin de puiser le courage
De t’avouer que j’en ai mare
De toi et de tes commrages
De ton corps qui me laisse sage
Et qui m’enlve tout espoir
J’en ai assez faut bien que je te le dise
Tu m’exapres tu me tyrannises
Je subis ton sale caractre
Sans oser dire que t’exagres
Oui t’exagres tu le sais maintemant
Parfois je voudrais t’trangler
Dieu ce que t’as chang en 5 ans
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisses aller
Tu es belle regarder
Tes bas tombant sur tes chaussures
Et ton vieux peignoir mal ferm
Et tes bigoudis quelle allure
Je me demande chaque jour
Comment as-tu fais pour me plaire
Comment ai-je pu te faire l’amour
Et t’alliner ma vie entire
Comme a tu ressembles ta mre
Car rien pour inspirer l’amour
Devant mes amis quelle catastrophe
Tu me contredis, tu m’apostrophes
Avec ton venin et ta hargne
Tu ferais battre des montagnes
Ah j’ai dcroch le gros lot
Le jour o je t’ai rencontr
Si tu te taisais, ce serait trop beau non!
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisses aller
Tu es une brute et un tyran
Tu n’as pas de cœur et pas d’me et pourtant
Pourtant, je pense bien souvent que
Malgr tout tu es ma femme
Si tu voulais faire un effort
Tout pourrait reprendre sa place
Pour maigrir, fais un peu de sport
Arrange toi devant ta glace
Accroche un sourire ta face
Maquille ton cœur et ton corps
Au lieu de penser que je te dteste
De me fuir comme la peste
Essaie de te montrer gentille
Redeviens la petite fille
qui m’a donn tant de bonheur
Et parfois comme par le pass
J’aimerais que tout contre mon coeur
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisser aller “
neurophius @ 96
don’t forget the gorilla testosterone
UptownNYChick @ 99
Contemporary translation: “Frist smelled of money.”
Drle, ce que t’es drle regarder
T’es l t’attends tu fais la tte
Et moi j’ai envie de rigoler
C’est l’alcool qui monte en ma tte
Tout l’alcool que j’ai pris ce soir
Afin de puiser le courage
De t’avouer que j’en ai mare
De toi et de tes commrages
De ton corps qui me laisse sage
Et qui m’enlve tout espoir
J’en ai assez faut bien que je te le dise
Tu m’exapres tu me tyrannises
Je subis ton sale caractre
Sans oser dire que t’exagres
Oui t’exagres tu le sais maintemant
Parfois je voudrais t’trangler
Dieu ce que t’as chang en 5 ans
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisses aller
Tu es belle regarder
Tes bas tombant sur tes chaussures
Et ton vieux peignoir mal ferm
Et tes bigoudis quelle allure
Je me demande chaque jour
Comment as-tu fais pour me plaire
Comment ai-je pu te faire l’amour
Et t’alliner ma vie entire
Comme a tu ressembles ta mre
Car rien pour inspirer l’amour
Devant mes amis quelle catastrophe
Tu me contredis, tu m’apostrophes
Avec ton venin et ta hargne
Tu ferais battre des montagnes
Ah j’ai dcroch le gros lot
Le jour o je t’ai rencontr
Si tu te taisais, ce serait trop beau non!
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisses aller
Tu es une brute et un tyran
Tu n’as pas de cœur et pas d’me et pourtant
Pourtant, je pense bien souvent que
Malgr tout tu es ma femme
Si tu voulais faire un effort
Tout pourrait reprendre sa place
Pour maigrir, fais un peu de sport
Arrange toi devant ta glace
Accroche un sourire ta face
Maquille ton cœur et ton corps
Au lieu de penser que je te dteste
De me fuir comme la peste
Essaie de te montrer gentille
Redeviens la petite fille
qui m’a donn tant de bonheur
Et parfois comme par le pass
J’aimerais que tout contre mon coeur
Tu te laisses aller, tu te laisser aller
criminy, am I going to have to translate that Aznavour?
Mais oui!
Evil Dr. Funny….
At this point, by the way, if any particular homophobic wingnut fundie preacher actually turns out to be straight, I for one would be completely amazed.
You get the sense that if one of these guys got caught messing around with a real live woman, they’d give him a frickin’ award.
David Ehrenstein @ 103
you take the first eight lines.
TRex @
72
And remember. NO CAPES.
punaise @ 102
Apparently. The results of having AltaVista try to translate this page into english are hilarious but unenlightening.
I hadn’t realized that “punaise” is French for “bug”.
David Ehrenstein @ 90
Sure is strange all the weird stuff they pull out of those NYT closets. Virginia Heffernan could be their next Judy Miller.
Thers @ 105
I can see ‘em all now, hunkered down for a good old fashion pray-in at big ol’ revival meeting spot, “Please Lord, please send us another Jimmy Swaggart!”
imho, the extremist fundies are ruled by fear. Fear of Hell, fear of death, fear of their own control over their impulses.
And like cornered fear-crazed animals they are dangerous to others.
David Ehrenstein @ 90
And here it is in French:
James occidental sous l’objectif David Ehrenstein (de publicit) jette un coup d’oeil au cover-up mdiocre au visage pour ancien maire James de Spokane l’ouest. Par David Ehrenstein Un Advocate.com exclusif a signal dcembre 8, 2006 “en ligne causant ! Dater des hommes ! Le maire divorc tait un conservateur peu lourd et d’abondance avec un disque de vote antigay dans [ la lgislature d’tat de Washington ]. Car la Ligne du front l’indique, les journalistes ont sembl lancer pour lui. Mais pour quelles raisons?” cris perants la Virginie Heffernan dans les temps de New York. Le critique habituellement plus rserv fulminait au sujet “d’une vie cache,” le documentaire de Ligne du front de PBS sur le dfunt ouest de James, qui tait le maire de Spokane, Washington, clbre “outed” par le journal de cette ville, la Porte-parole-Revue, en mai 2005. Si vous tes familier avec le saga—which occidental rpandiez rapidement d’un scandale local une histoire nationale de nouvelles — alors vous vous rendez compte que, incit par des rapports des jeunes hommes que l’ouest avait sollicits en ligne pour le sexe, la Porte-parole-Revue ait install une “piqre” des sortes pour dpister son trolling en ligne pour les jeunesses peine lgales. La raison de la piqre a refoul pas simplement de l’hypocrisie d’un politicien conservateur qui avait plusieurs reprises vot contre les droites gaies tout en tant gai lui-mme, mais d’un scandale qui en avait dvoil 25 ans avant. Le meilleur ami occidental David Hahn, scouts de garon chef, a t accus des scouts molestants tandis qu’en voyage campant — et en consquence suicide commis — de ce fait apportant la recherche qui pourrait avoir illumin le comportement occidental dans ceux des voyages campants aussi bien, car il tait l. Ce qui la Porte-parole-Revue dcouverte dans sa recherche 2005 tait cet occidentale, l’aide de la poigne “RightBiGuy,” entrait dans Gay.com pas simplement pour la causerie mais pour trouver les associs de sexe, qu’il a promis aux travaux dans son administration. La promenade de la Porte-parole-Rev a men au rappel un effort russi d’ouest par les citoyens de Spokane. Mais maintenant, une anne aprs que le rappel, “une vie cache” essaye de rcrire cette histoire, et Heffernan l’a achete crochet, ligne, et platine. Produit par Rachel Dretzin et Muriel Soenens, crit par Barak Goodman, et dirig par Dretzin et goodman, “une vie cache” est peu plus que nom occidental un “clair” conu par travail lisse de P.R. au profit des htrosexuels dsireux de rengocier leurs attitudes vers des homosexuels. La homophobie flagrante est maintenant hors de mode, mais l’galit relle est inadmissible aussi bien. Quelle offre de Dretzin et de compagnie est la place le confort de la condescendance. Occidental “tait un pdophile,” le Heffernan des temps indique, autre ne rclamant pas “il n’a pas t reli au long-il y a des cas de molestation d’enfant ; et il n’avait offert aucun travail pour des faveurs sexuelles.” Heffernan prend sa slection du documentaire, qui dvie des questions prolonges au sujet du scandale de scout de garon (maintenant aucun plus long sujet beaucoup de la manire d’intrt investigateur, car les perps allgus sont morts) et des rclamations aucuns travaux taient offertes parce que les “internats” taient unsalaried — ignorant la porte qu’elles se sont ouverte dans les positions salaries, qui ont clairement pivote sur un employ restant dans de bonnes graces occidentales. Heffernan et les ralisateurs de film sont de mme crdule quand il vient au mariage occidental de Jim (qui a toute l’intgrit de roche Hudson aux portes de Phyllis) et la rclamation occidentale qu’il n’est pas devenu intress par les membres de son propre sexe jusque 2′aprs son diagnostic de cancer de deux points. Moquez-vous autre de moi — il a des cloches dessus ! “il a eu oppos quelque pro-gai lgislation, mais maintenant, donn la chance, il voterait probablement l’autre manire dit-il” Heffernan dclare, donnant sur non seulement la pause impressionnante que l’ouest donne en disant ceci mais en donnant sur qu’ouest oppos beaucoup plus que “” de la lgislation. Mais qu’importe vraiment Heffernan ? “dans les entrevues, ses cheveux semblent minces de la chimiothrapie. Il semble puis.” Triste et vrai mais prs du point. Elle continue pour dire, “le journal n’indique pas l’vidence qu’il avait jamais maltrait des garons.” Ce qui est pas du tout vrai, selon le rdacteur Steve Smith de Porte-parole-Revue, qui a crit une colonne le jour aprs que le programme ar rpondant aux frais du film et claircissant un certain nombre de points, inclure : l’”Ligne du front a indiqu que [ l’accusateur occidental dans l’incident de scouts de garon ] la mention de Robert Galliher d’abord de l’abus par West tait dans une entrevue 2005. Incorrect. Comme nous avons rapport, il a crit au sujet de l’abus dans une lettre 2004 de prison un psychiatre qui a fourni une copie de la lettre au journal. Il est signal en ligne. l’”Ligne du front indique que Galliher ne pourrait pas expliquer pourquoi il n’a pas rapport l’ouest plus tt. Mal. Comme nous avons rapport, Galliher a indiqu qu’il a craint pour sa sret, accus l’ouest d’orchestrer un battement de prison et avait essay d’viter de diriger un doigt un politicien puissant avec les cravates troites la police. “la source que le premier a indique Morlin [ une conqute en ligne occidentale ] qu’il s’est runi l’ouest en ligne et a eue le sexe avec lui tait peine 18 et juste hors du lyce alors ils ont commenc la premire fois causer en ligne et avaient juste tourn 19 l’heure de leur ‘date.’ La ligne du front a indiqu qu’il avait 20 ans. Ce n’est pas une erreur inconsidrable donne la nature de notre reportage. “la dception de Motorbrock [ la poigne le papier employ pour causer avec l’ouest en ligne ] a dur moins de trois mois, pas les six mois dcrits par ligne du front…. Occidental, pas Motobrock, tourn les causeries en ligne au sexe…. Occidental, pas Motobrock, augment la perspective d’un job/internship la ville htel…. Occidental, pas Motobrock, demand la runion personnelle en avril 2005.” Smith continue :
SusanD @ 111
Everyone is ruled by fear; the fundamentalist has just found the most simplistic way of dealing with it.
Patrick 4/4 @ 112
That sounds like a phonetic transliteration from Chinese to English for “motor block.”
Who knew? :)
I don’t think everyone is ruled by fear. Not that everyone doesn’t *have* fears. But I don’t believe fear is the driving force for most people the way it is for extremist fundies.
The “Rapture”, for example, is their hope to avoid any pain in death. To just be lifted up into Heaven whole and without any suffering. And they’d like to skip over reality as easily.
Thers @ 90
Uh, what a stupid lady that Ann Althouse is.
montag @ 114
And if you’re having trouble with the Human Resources dept, just get out the water, glue and paper and voila: “le papier employ馬t;“.
johnSwifty @ 113
A lot of pious preachers watching David Steinberg when young… “booga, booga!”
SeriousKidding @ 94
I always wondered what they meant when they said someone looked “haggard*”.
*New fundy codeword for gay.
“Bubba shore looks haggard, donhe? Heh,heh!”
“It’s funny, when I look at you
While not a single word is said
I know, I had a drink or two
But that’s not what’s gone to my head
I laugh and I recall our youth
Perhaps you’ll say that I’m uncouth
But it’s high time you knew the truth
About the way you make me feel
And what the future holds in store
For I can’t stand it anymore
Why should I even try and hide
Whatever I may feel inside
You lie, you curse and you provoke
And then you treat it as a joke
You know, at times you go too far
Even in front of all my friends
How could we hope to make amends
You know that you’ve let yourself go
You look a sight, sure you look great
Your stocking seams, not even straight
And that old faded dressing gown
Your hair in curlers hanging down
What could I have been thinking of
Was it with you I fell in love
Are you the girl that could inspire
A heart with passion and desire
I gaze at you in sheer despair
And see your Mother standing there
In front of strangers you’re the same
You don’t mind putting me to shame
You contradict each word I say
Why, you would turn night into day
You like to hurt me when you can
I’m just a rug and not your man
I hit the jackpot, yes, I know
You’ve let yourself go
At times you’re cruel, beyond control
Have you no heart, have you no soul
And as I take a look at life
I realise that you’re my Wife
A little effort, not much more
And things could be just as before
You know, you’ld lose a little weight
If you would watch all that you ate
A little style, a little grace
And try to show a smiling face
I couldn’t hate you if I tried
I really want you by my side
So try, try and be the girl I knew
Let’s really start our love anew
I want to hold you in my arms
And then surrender to your charms
Let there be fire, not just a glow
Come close to me, let yourself go”
Steve @
92
http://www.science.mcmaster.ca…..1aa3/Adams et al. (1996).pdf
I am beginning to suspect that you are deeply unserious. And passive aggressive. And aggressive passive.
Or something. Althouse makes my head hurt.
SusanD @ 115
…fear or the Pleasure Principle depending on Jungian or Freudian interpretation; but it isn’t really important what drives people who don’t live a complete sham of an existence, there’s potentially hope for some happy result in those cases. It is those folk you’re talking about who deny reality and run screaming from it, I know who you mean. We should pity them, unless they’re right…then we’re fucked!
Just left a comment at Althouse’s blog.
imprecise translation of first 16 lines of Aznavour:
well, you get the picture…charming, n’est-ce pas?
punaise @ 125
It’s like a love letter to Bush.
TRex @ 124
I wondered what on earth she was doing in Madison of all places. It is THE liberal hotbed of the Midwest. Then, it suddenly occurred to me, hazily, from every road trip I ever made to Madison back in the day….Beergoggles! I’m sure she benefits!
Cujo359 @
108
bedbug, more specifically. ahem. I prefer the other sense: “pushpin / thumbtack”. or better yet, the polite euphamism, a substitute for an expletive that is more less equivalent to “dayam”
TRex @
116
Thank you, dear heart. You are a true Southern gentleman and I am deeply appreciative of your self-restraint. :-)
I will bake you a batch of my best shortbread next time I visit Athens, the kind with an image of a Scottish thistle in bas-relief on the top.
closed tags – and saying g’nite gang!
Swordswoman,
Next time there’s a recipe thread, on Saturday morning maybe, share that recipe with us will you? I love shortbread.
Wouldn’t it be better to reach out to this guy – Somehow let him see that all that self loathing has been so unnecessary? You seem to think he can only be a hypocrite, but remember the guys background. ‘For the grace of God ..”
SusanD @ 115
Yeah, it’s an amazing concept — people who are absolutely certain they’re going to Heaven, but still are afraid of dying.
Swordswoman @ 129
“Castanets?”
Jesus Christ is the Elemental Boyfriend
alors, ca, c’est drole
john in california @ 132
Well if he came out and said, “I’ve been leading a double life and it’s caused me and many that I love so much pain. I have to say that in retrospect, I could have saved myself and everyone involved so much suffering by coming to grips with my own reality and learning to love and accept myself as I’m sure my God does.”
Well, that wouldn’t be hypocritical. Then he’d be a nice man, wouldn’t he?
Thers @ 105
Yeah, the line about all homophobes being self-hating closet cases used to be at least partly a joke; now it just seems like the simplest explanation.
Y’know, a bit more seriously, this is good news.
I thought the `50s were severely anal retentive, but the last twenty-five years have been, with some notable exceptions, seriously colo-rectally challenged.
Point one: we have a president who’s spent his life with his head up his ass and has spent his presidency admiring the view.
Point two: we have a press that thinks that president’s father as a wise old statesman, though he invented the inverted head-in-ass vision thing.
Point three: we have fistfuls of far right-wing preachers so deep into the closet that they’re part of the paint.
Point four: we have people on the right with the desire to become the next William F. Buckley, but have the same 600-word vocabulary as their president.
Point five: there’s a resurgence of concern about the world’s ecology and its citizens. (Thanks, Al!)
Point six: Popular culture has reached virtually the same nadir as with disco in the early `80s and people are rebelling. (Well, hell, when the Dixie Chicks are the height of popular political resistance in the music industry, things are only looking up, huh?).
It’s good times coming, folks. Good times. It can only get better. Gay preachers departing their megachurches? Potential gurus of a coming velvet self-awareness. A president worse than Nixon? Millions of Republicans privately whining, “fuck me to tears.” Rumsfeld tossed out on the garbage heap of history? A neverending source of amusement for the decent part of society and those diligently working for peace.
Hey, gay fundie preachers coming out? By any means whatever: Yeah!
Al Swearengen @ 138
a la Obama?:
WTF?
Ann Althouse accusing someone of being passive aggressive is like, uh, Ted Haggard accusing someone of being a godless homo.
The fundies need to stop looking for a cure for Teh Gay and start seeking out a cure for Teh Dumbass.
Grab your groins. Time for the Rupture.
-GSD
Greenfield is getting in the game early to define Obama as BLACK man with a BLACK name and who looks like he would be comfortable rubbing elbows with Iranian dictators.
You know, journalism.
-GSD
TRex @ 116
It gets better. Apparently, Ms. Althouse is having a snit with a blogger at The Moderate Voice who, it appears, criticized something she wrote. Here’s TMV’s take on this:
http://www.themoderatevoice.co…..2277.shtml
Apparently, Althouse’s aim is to “crush” these guys in the Weblog Awards voting. Now, this just strikes me as doubly preposterous because, first of all, who cares whether someone is crushed in some category of voting for an award that at least 99% of America hasn’t even heard of? On top of that, she’s picked a fight with a blog called The Moderate Voice fer cryin’ out loud. How lame is that?
Margot @ 131
Margot — I’m usually late to the Sat. AM threads, so here you go:
1 cup softened butter
1/4 cup powdered sugar
1/4 cup cornstarch
1/4 to 1/2 cup ground almonds
1-and -1/4 cup sifted flour
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 fancy shortbread pan with a design on the inside, or 1 9-by-9-inch square pan
Cream together all the ingredients and bake at 350 degrees F. for 40-50 minutes, until lightly browned. Put a plate over the shortbread pan, pray to the diety of your choice, turn the pan upside down and hope the shortbread doesn’t fall into a million bits. (The ground almonds make it crumble-prone.)
Cut with your thinnest, sharpest knife while it’s still warm. If you ended up with a plateful of shortbread crumbs instead of shortbread pieces, use as topping on ice cream or just eat the crumbs with a spoon.
montag @
139
God bless you Montag. I was holding out for an upbeat note to go to bed on. Sweet dreams.
Peace. Out, here.
Thers @ 141
Cor, the last thing we need is a blog war with Ann Althouse right now.
I need to learn to keep my mouth shut.
johnSwifty @ 145
It’s still the Age of Aquarius, maybe? :)
punaise @ 140
I was starting to write about this in my last comment, since it’s related in that both these events are just so batshit crazy, but then I thought maybe one crazy ass thing at a time is enough.
Anyhow, here’s Josh Marshall’s take on this:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..011511.php
and more here:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..011510.php
Anyway, Jeff Greenfield, an “analyst” at CNN, made this startling observation today. I’m certainly not in awe of Senator Obama, but even I think the junior senator from Illinois would have to be having an awfully bad day before he resembled Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Just how stupid and/or crazy do you have to be to become an analyst at CNN?
Everybody hit refresh.
We’ve sprung some moderated comments.
Military juntas aren’t what they used to be. Whatever happened to summary executions and martial law to let the folks know who’s in charge?
Fiji junta nullifes tax increase.
-GSD
Wait’ll the campaign when Obama is morphed into Idi Amin.
-GSD
GSD @ 151
Ah, the right is wrong. Obama’s trying to morph into Hillary Clinton….
EvilDrPuma @ 134
That would be what the gentlemen have, to make beautiful music together with the partner of their choice?
Wishing a good night and sweet music to all.
Cujo359 @ 143
Maybe she’s channeling Futurama’s Zapp Brannigan: “I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they stand, but with neutrals—who knows. It sickens me.”
Redshift @ 154
More like channeling Anita Bryant.
Sure explains the “beloved disciple”, don’t it?
motherlowman @ 156
With a kiss betrayed and all that, too.
“The Last Brunch”
Redshift @ 154
Brannigan’s a good metaphor in some ways – the narcisism in particular. Althouse is asking her readers to freep the award vote by going there every day to vote for her, even explaining that you can’t go there more than once a day because the second vote will be rejected. All because she doesn’t like those guys at The
NeutralModerate Voice. Quite a piece of work, that woman. If she put half as much effort into research as she puts into revenge she might be able to save those jihadist energies for her real adversaries.I wouldn’t worry about it. Althouse has pretty much totally discredited herself by now.
Anyway, she’s pretty predictable: she only really gets into it with people who get more hits than her, or whom she perceives as threatening her perceived blog-position. That’s why she went after Sullivan, and why she was so pissed when he didn’t link her. And it’s why she has the grudge now with the Moderate Voice, who are up against her for a stupid award.
I doubt she’ll really reply to your comment except in a passive-aggressive aside.
for some reason, taking on The Moderate Voice reminds me of the earnest “NPR ladies” on Saturday Night Live years ago.
Cujo359 @ 159
Should I be diverting my attention to anyone who graduated from the Schutzstaffel School of Law?
Obamamania at Salon.com:
punaise @ 163
I want him to actually do something, not talk as if he might, one day. And his schlepping around with Joementum and cozying up to the religious right creeps me out.
Jaysus, why are Democrats self-defeating? Put this boy in harness and make him work for the disenfranchised for a decade, then let him go to work.
johnSwifty @
113
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
montag @ 164
all track, no record.
(gotta admit I’m intrigued by a Gore/Obama ticket, however…)
Us Chicagoan’s wouldn’t mind Obama actually doing something for us as our Senator before rushing around the country doing stuff for himself.
oh wait, I was going to sleep … heading out now for real
nite nite!
DreamingCrow @ 165
DreamingCrow, oddly enough i used to use that when dealing with stage fright as a teenager in high school. I was just figuring out how push through that so i could be a choral soloist now and then. *grins*
Man, i was a geek then. Still a happy girlgeek now. *evil grin*
montag @ 162
She needs a nickname – like, say, The Teutonic Titwillow.
DreamingCrow, I love that whole quote. And,
the truth of it has been amply demonstrated over the last six years.
hi DreamingCrow, you doin’ OK today?
Fox is the mind-killer.
Anodyne Outhouse.
TRex @ 173
Talking Heads – “Mind”
I heart you, punaise.
I don’t like the feeling I get when reading about Obama in 2008. It all seems so forced and unnatural – perhaps even kabuki-esque in declaring him “the one” without a single vote or even declaration that he would run – just because he is not Hillary.
montag @ 162
Could have sworn it was the Unterseeboot School of Economics and International Relations.
punaise @
163
This country is so starved for a decent orator that they’ll revere any politician who can spread it thick, even if they don’t actually know what he stands for.
::sigh::
backatcha, TRex!
aliasofwestgate @ 169
I may not always like the Dune books, but that’s been my mantra for the past couple of years. It helps me remember to focus on what’s important, not the fear.
As am I!
SusanD @ 171
No doubt. Fear has been the nation-killer, not just the mind-killer. ::sigh::
Ann Outhouse, not to be confused with that *ahem*other ann
punaise @ 172
Not so much. They’ve moved the Boy’s hearing up to tomorrow and he is insistent that he will not agree to being held for two more weeks. Even though it’s an involuntary commitment, his refusal to cooperate makes it a lot harder to achieve.
::sigh::
Thanks for asking though. I appreciate the concern.
Ann Aesthesia
Anathema Illhouse.
DreamingCrow @ 184
hang in there…
Siun @ 167
Here’s my objection. A couple of years ago, a guy I know in Illinois was running for downstate office and was in line behind Obama when he was filing election papers.
He spent forty-five minutes, waiting, and had a chance to listen to him and ask a few questions. He came back ecstatic about the guy. Raving about Obama.
Now, two years later, reality sets in. Obama hasn’t really done anything. He’s aligned himself with shits like Lieberman, and the guy I know has written a serious appeal to Obama to at least give him, when Obama is back for constituent time, to give him ten minutes to explain why Feingold’s censure motion is worth supporting.
He gets a form letter reply. He writes again, begging for just a little time. No reply. A month later, Obama is in his home town to give a speech, and he wasn’t even notified of the event. He knew of it when I saw it on the news and told him.
Obama is slick, but, he’s in it for himself, from what I can see–at a time when we need someone who’s in it for all the underdogs in this country.
Obama ain’t it.
I will be thinking positive thoughts for you, DC.
Suzanne @ 177
Actually, the pure adulation that I’ve seen for the man scares the crap out of me. No one actually know what he stand for, if he even stands for anything besides himself. He’s a BEAUTIFUL orator, but so have been some of history’s greatest dictators. ::sigh::
punaise @ 187
I am, even though it currently feels like I’m hanging on with my teeth and toenails.
DreamingCrow, I’m sending you as much light as I can wing through the air. I’m another mother who woke up to find herself on the front lines of a battle I never signed up for. I know it’s hard, but eventually things do get resolved.
Montag (see how well I manage to head offline!)
A few of us tried to get a meeting with Obama or anyone on his staff – and were told that they “only do issues in DC, not in the Chicago office.”
How nice for his constituents, eh?
Suzanne @ 189
Me, too.
My friend whose son is 14 is really going through a rough time. The doctors and counselors say to send him to a special school for bright kids with emotional problems. She can’t stand the thought of him being raised by a bunch of strangers. But life at home has become intolerable and now the police are involved.
It’s a tough call and it’s breaking her heart.
Siun @ 193
Seems there’s a trend developing in that direction, yes?
Anchovy Hothouse
The Obama Bandwagon. Ooooo, look at all the shiny lights and sparkly things!
Sorry, Obama hasn’t done anything but disappoint me to date.
Patrick 4/4 @ 196
Hee!
TRex @ 198
Whatever you do, avoid Today’s Special.
Patrick 4/4 @ 196
the crass menagerie
Actually, Jesus had blue eyes.
Patrick 4/4 @ 196
Not blue, no light, and certainly not special.
Suzanne @ 189
Thank you. Just knowing that helps.
SusanD @ 192
Thanks. I sure as hell hope so, as this has turned into the never-ending slog from hell.
TRex @ 194
Thank you.
It’s a call that I feel no parent should have to make. We’ve basically reached that point in our house, as well. He can’t function, we all can’t live like this. As he can’t get into long-term care, my son is likely going to end up in a group home, which terrifies me.
Bah. It’s all bull.
(Hah, I ranted to much in my last comment, it’s in moderation. Oops.)
Patrick 4/4 @ 199
Along these lines?
punaise @ 200
…and the preznit shall be King Oscar.
DC and TRex, making that decision about baby girl was the hardest decision I’ve ever made. I am able to sleep at night (well most nights) knowing that I did what was best for her.
montag @ 204
Shudder.
DreamingCrow @ 190
SusanD @ 197
So, I’m not just sharing the “I find Obama to be really unappetizing” section with Jeff Greenfield? There are actually other sane people who aren’t all that impressed?
I kind of like Obama.
catty on a hot tin blog
DreamingCrow @ 11:01 pm (#203)
I’ve never had to deal with this sort of thing, and hopefully I never will. I’m not sure what it is, exactly, but the phrase “involuntary commitment” in this context is all I need to know, I think. Hope it works out for you and your son.
DreamingCrow @ 184
Beauty before me, I walk with.
Beauty behind me, I walk with.
Beauty above me, I walk with.
Beauty below me, I walk with.
Beauty all around me, I walk with.
Navajo Night Chant
I hope that helps. For a second or two at least!
DreamingCrow @
203
Okay. Here’s a little received wisdom. As long as your child is alive, you can have some expectation of hope–with care and determination, that hope and effort may resolve itself into an harmonious outcome. But, once that child is gone, there is none.
The alternatives are worse than what you now experience. BTDT.
I’m going to eat something and watch an old Battlestar Galactica now. (Still trying to get caught up!)
I’ll check back in before bed.
Suzanne @ 206
::nod:: I know it’s right, but that doesn’t make it any easier. That doesn’t even start to cover the fact that actually accomplishing it will be a hellish ritual on its own in this state.
an old Battlestar Galactica? Is that what they are calling the Piggly Wiggly now?
Cujo359 @ 208
Some people would debate the sane point with regards to me, but no, you are certainly not alone.
TRex @ 209
I find him to be a lovely-seeming person, energizing, and a great speaker. I just think that he’s likely to be all hat and no cattle, if’n ya know what I mean.
To date I have found Obama to be a better-spoken, more polished and more careful version of Lieberman.
TRex @
81
okay, so it’s easy to leave a LMAO comment.
But this one left me, quite literally, laughing out loud, all alone here – so I read it again, and laugh out loud again. Thank you.
And it takes a real man to wear a pink shirt, but then that’s another subject altogether.
Cujo359 @ 211
Thanks. I do think that phrase does cover the bases on this.
Margot @ 212
Ah, to walk in beauty. I love the Navajo concept and it translates well into what I refer to as the grace of life.
montag @ 213
I was suicidal as a teenager and lost many of my friends to drugs, hopelessness, and suicide, so I have a pretty good idea. It’s a good thing for the Boy that I’m so darn stubborn and have no ability to give up.
I’m ambivalent re Obama, mostly in the camp that says: “get some experience and show us some accomplishments before you deign to grace us with your candidacy”. and there’s the spiritual nag side that I don’t care for. still, there seems to be something in the water….
SF Chronicle:
ya think?
“Stubborn” is, imho, the best arrow to have in your quiver. Stubborn has gotten me through several hellish situations.
punaise @ 222
If both were equally charismatic, but separately considered on their established records, which would you choose to be President, Bernie Sanders, or Barack Obama?
punaise @ 223
Think the right would be objecting more if it was a computer game called “Islam or Death”?
“convert or kill non-Christians”? What? Are they training the kids for their “Holy War”.
Did somebody pass an amendment to “Thou Shalt Not Kill”?
Bernie Sanders
Hasn’t that game been pulled before?
Cujo359 @ 226
The objection, I think, is suggesting that there is a chioce.
Cujo359 @ 208
He’s what, a 2 year senator?
I feel like someone has popped out of Central Casting. “Get me a likely presidential nominee for the Democrats! Hurry!” and we get Obama.
We need way more experience than that for a very important job, especially since we’ll have to clean up after the last president.
I’d like him better if he had a couple of senate terms behind him.
punaise @ 228
Umm, I think that says volumes about talking the talk, as opposed to walking the walk–and, about how we choose our leaders. :)
punaise @ 222
I’ll eventually see the movie, in the meantime, this is encouraging:
punaise @ 234
Why, oh, why didn’t Borat get Bush drunk on camera? :)
montag @ 235
or drunk in bi-cameral legislative session
DC, I don’t remember my late teens and early 20’s as totally peachy, but nothing compares with the agony so many of that age are seeming to go through. Besides the physiological origin of so much (and we don’t have a clue as to what the mixture of environmental contaminants contributes to the health or ill health of our vulnerable children), they are so bombarded with stimuli and mixed messages that it would drive everyone nuts.
My daughter, who is gradually emerging from some very hard years (and I spent time sobbing on my knees in sorrow and fear), marvels at how everyone just carries on with things and ignores the crazy disjointures that permeate life. Today’s major example….she was at the Kofi Annan speech and thought it a fine and fair commentary about many problems but the moderator (from CNN ?) began with saying that it was a biting criticism of the US. My daughter said “huh? didn’t she just listen to the speech?” The woman was reading from a card written before the speech and didn’t even seem aware that her assessment didn’t match the occasion. It drove my daughter into high irritation.
This is a long journey my daughter is on. It is not easy and many (including many now discarded mental health practitioners) were impatient. Many meds that didn’t help. We have hope. We are family. We make make the turtle our patron saint.
punaise @ 236
Yeah, there’s some bi-cameleral action that needs media exposure, all right…. :)
NZ Expat @ 237
I don’t know if it actually is more common or just seems like it, but yeah, the kids are going through heck.
The turtle as a patron saint, I will have to remember that. Thanks for the comments. This is a long, hard row to hoe, but there’s no option for stopping. ^_^
Off to bed now, way too late considering I have court in the AM. Good night and good rest, all!
Bike Amerol, newfangled two-wheeled weed-killer dispenser for clearing bush.
good night, DC; hope things go well manana
DreamingCrow @ 239
We in this country have been encouraged to treat all Muslims as dangerous, but they have one greeting which all are expected to return:
“Peace be upon you.”
Good advice for all of us.
Born this way??
HELL, NO!
Great post, theropod. G’nite, all….
yo, Teddy! dropping by for a nightcap?
Margot @ 231
That’s largely how I feel, with the added factor of my being a non-believer and Obama being convinced that I and others who aren’t Christians just ought to shut up about all that “no establishment of religion” stuff and let the majority religion rule. Here’s my take on that from a good article Pachacutec wrote on the subject of Obama and the DLC types:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-163725
He’s also managed to honk off some women’s activists, and I’ll let Taylor Marsh explain that one:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc…..p?id=24206
So, DLC-ish tendency to waffle and hang with the Joe Liebermans, not too interested in religious minority rights, and pretty sure that all we need to do is act more like the religious right and we’ll be in with the “values” crowd. Just the guy we’re all looking for, right?
Maybe Obama’s views will moderate with time. Maybe after he actually accomplishes something that requires time and effort on his part we’ll have some idea what his real priorities are. In the meantime, color me unimpressed with a really high saturation level.
DreamingCrow @ 239
Good night DreamingCrow, and good luck in court, clinic, and home.
I’m sure you are making the best possible choices – I hope the court and agency folk do their part for y’all.
OT-(can you go OT in Late Nite? OT seems to be the point. Whatever.)
Got an email from the DCCC today.
Ok, that’s nice. So I go to ABC’s website and there are 9 photos of people being profiled, and none of them are Pelosi. There’s one blank for the Most Fascinating Person of 2006, so I’m guessing that’s Nancy Pelosi.
Could it be? Finally? Fair coverage of the next Speaker of the House? No attacks by the conservative media for a whole 10 minutes? It seems too good to be true.
Barbara Walters might be angry with someone at the DCCC for letting this out early, but if the ratings are decent, she’ll get over it quickly. :)
TheOtherWA @ 247
Umm, Baba Wawa has no one else on that list but barely newsworthy celebrities for the rest of her picks. Even if she were to include Pelosi in that bunch, to what does that reduce Pelosi, rightly or wrongly, in that company, but yet another Paris Hilton wannabe?
Better that empty spot remain blank.
Boyfriend Jesus and The Last Brunch … funny stuff!
Maybe we should just send anonymous letters to all the christianist ministers saying:
I know your dirty little secret and I’m going to tell the world.
Then we can watch them all out themselves and laugh.
Good morning, folks. Running VERY late here, so I’ll have to read all this when I get home from work. Here they are, today’s NYT columnists, dragged out from behind the firewall:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Nicholas Kristof, “A Cambodian Girl’s Tragedy: Being Young and Pretty.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Thomas Edsall, “The Early Show.”
I understand Pastor Barnes’ wife was also opposed to gay marriage — that is until she learned she was in one.
(with apologies to my fundamentally Christianist drag queen spiritual advisor)
http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_nov2006.html
slainte,
cl
Good Morning, Firepups!
A few clouds on this mild morning in central Jersey. Coffee’s ready, and I’m got hot fresh biscuits.
Work for peace, every day.
Mornin’ All!
…meanwhile, while we’re waitin’ fer the Decider to make his Eye-rak strateegerie decideration….
Dual bombing in central Baghdad kills 57
Just catching up.
Helluva post, Mr. Rex.
Tony Snow on whether the before-Christmas deadline to make his Iraq policy announcement was ‘in cement’: “It’s not in cement and it’s not, not in cement.”
DreamingCrow @
165
No doubt, Dreamin’! Let’s see if you can invoke CHS with a little Herbert in the morning!
One of the earlier posters noted just how homo-erotic some of the evangelical services are. Yeah, that’s what struck me after I came out…just how unconsciously campy the “shows” are.
BTW: If you want some real fun, watch the old TV shows with Bishop Fulton Sheen. I just LOVE his schtick. I roll with laughter every time.
Morning Firedogs!
another OT, and sorry if this is already above:
The creator of the execrable com “Mallard Fillmore” comic strip is apparently “doing a Hitchens!”
From IndyStar.com (via Atrios!):
Hoosier Edward Bruce Tinsley, creator of the conservative comic strip Mallard Fillmore, was arrested in Columbus Dec. 4 and charged with operating a vehicle under the influence — his second alcohol-related arrest in less that four months, according to the Bartholomew County Sheriff’s Department.
Wow- the rantings on the strip make a lot more “sense” given these developments!
new thread
Another tortured preacher. It’s incredibly sad when people hurt so many others (spouses, children) along with themselves trying to live in desparate denial.
I’ve noticed that older straight people are more intolerant. Someone’s sexual orientation isn’t even an issue to my 20 something kids & their friends. I think & hope that these younger people will have a big impact so sexual orientation becomes a non-issue & gay-bashers will be as ostracized as animal abusers or klan creatures.
“some poor overweight alto from the church choir”
Kind of mean, don’t you think? As an avowed fan of BBWs I’m sort of offended. Don’t women put up with enough shit from men about their weight?
Anyway, I kind of feel sorry this SOB (as well as Haggard). Being imprisoned by this kind of “flat-earth” thinking about homosexuality has to be destroying these men. It’s a true tragedy, being undone by your own lies.
What isn’t tragic and what doesn’t deserve our sympathy is that fact that it is this thinking that drives the whole anti-gay political movement, making the lives of sane GLBT people difficult.
Ooh, the part about the holy hips and inner thighs of Jeebus is, well, disturbing! I’m with you on the rest though. “Alto from the choir” is simply priceless. Priests freak me out, they all have creepy Bible breath. As a self respecting homo I could never bed a god-creature; at least none of the ones I’ve ever met! Yuck! Maybe I’ve just never met the right pastor..
Oh I’m so glad somebody caught the Mallard Fillmore, DUI!
Toss him in the tank with Nicole Ritchie!
“I gaze at you in sheer despair
And see your Mother standing there”
Alright Ehrenstein, credits please. LOL
Sondheim on Qualudes?
ironranger @ 262
I suspect this is part of what’s behind the religious right’s desparation to pass some anti-gay marriage act. They can see that in another decade or two there won’t be nearly as many people who have their prejudices. The time to act is now before they really become the minority viewpoint.
David Ehrenstein @
55
I’m shocked! Ethel Merman sings it in “Alexander’s Ragtime Band”!
Arne