Comments on: No One Can Tell Us We’re Wrong http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:37:52 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: barrelhse http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414726 barrelhse Mon, 11 Dec 2006 02:28:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414726 <p>Hearts and minds? Of Republicans? Not much to win in either category.</p> Hearts and minds? Of Republicans? Not much to win in either category.

]]> By: BOOKWOMAN http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414349 BOOKWOMAN Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:03:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414349 <p>when anyone loses the ability to be truly self critical, that person, or institutution or country or church or family has lost their moral center. It is that ability, the one of a well informed conscience, that determines whether anyone is part of the moral world. That world is made up of people who can look at any picture and see more than self interest, can see the lives impacted by a moral or immoral action. George Bush has no ability in that direction - none and that does not bode well for any of us. So, it is up to those who have been developed in such a way so was to be both self critical and self loving to take the reins. Jimmy Carter’s recent book is one in which he is being destroyed by critics, but his moral thinking could not be more on target. I have yet to hear George Bush say anything except fear and subtle hate mongering statements.</p> when anyone loses the ability to be truly self critical, that person, or institutution or country or church or family has lost their moral center. It is that ability, the one of a well informed conscience, that determines whether anyone is part of the moral world. That world is made up of people who can look at any picture and see more than self interest, can see the lives impacted by a moral or immoral action. George Bush has no ability in that direction – none and that does not bode well for any of us. So, it is up to those who have been developed in such a way so was to be both self critical and self loving to take the reins. Jimmy Carter’s recent book is one in which he is being destroyed by critics, but his moral thinking could not be more on target. I have yet to hear George Bush say anything except fear and subtle hate mongering statements.

]]> By: *ilbo http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414346 *ilbo Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:00:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414346 <p>Clusterfuck=DarkSpector Cluelessoul</p> Clusterfuck=DarkSpector Cluelessoul

]]> By: Prof http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414343 Prof Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:56:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414343 <p>new thread</p> new thread

]]> By: EvilDrPuma http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414341 EvilDrPuma Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:54:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414341 <p><a href="#comment-414333"><em>witchywoman @ 189</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>My problem with the DLC is its dedication to corporatism. At some point someone said “the Reblicans are eating our shorts because they have more money. They’re getting their money from big corporations. We need to get that corporation money. Let’s sell out to big corporations.”</p></blockquote> <p>That’s my problem with them as well, and it’s a big one. Corporate personhood is the single worst idea in post-Civil War American history, and its kissing cousin deregulation comes in second. These are exactly the wrong ideas for a progressive party with its eye on the general welfare.</p> witchywoman @ 189

My problem with the DLC is its dedication to corporatism. At some point someone said “the Reblicans are eating our shorts because they have more money. They’re getting their money from big corporations. We need to get that corporation money. Let’s sell out to big corporations.”

That’s my problem with them as well, and it’s a big one. Corporate personhood is the single worst idea in post-Civil War American history, and its kissing cousin deregulation comes in second. These are exactly the wrong ideas for a progressive party with its eye on the general welfare.

]]> By: Prof http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414340 Prof Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:54:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414340 <p>Let us not forget that sometimes the leader of a country leads his military to:</p> <p><i>spy on the country’s own people</i></p> <p>grab people off the streets and make them “disappear”</p> <p>commit torture.</p> <p>And let us not forget that the people of a country are able to </p> <p><i>restore democracy</i></p> <p>repeal past immunities that the guilty granted themselves</p> <p>pursue justice.</p> <p>Goodbye and good riddance . . .</p> <p>. . .</p> <p>. . .</p> <p>. . .</p> <p>August Pinochet.</p> Let us not forget that sometimes the leader of a country leads his military to:

spy on the country’s own people

grab people off the streets and make them “disappear”

commit torture.

And let us not forget that the people of a country are able to

restore democracy

repeal past immunities that the guilty granted themselves

pursue justice.

Goodbye and good riddance . . .

. . .

. . .

. . .

August Pinochet.

]]> By: Steve http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414339 Steve Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:54:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414339 <p>rwcole @ 169…I don’t think “idiot” can explain GWB. The analysis will go on for years but for now I think that he fits into the very rare category of “Stupid Psychopath”. GWB has been successful because Babs and Poppy covered up and cleaned up for him. What little of GWB’s pathologic behavior that has leaked out: blowing up frogs, branding people with hot coat hangers, mocking a woman before her execution etc. fits psychopath. I’m sure Babs covered up the really bad animal torture, the fire starting and the bed wetting. The stupid is already out in the open.</p> rwcole @ 169…I don’t think “idiot” can explain GWB. The analysis will go on for years but for now I think that he fits into the very rare category of “Stupid Psychopath”. GWB has been successful because Babs and Poppy covered up and cleaned up for him. What little of GWB’s pathologic behavior that has leaked out: blowing up frogs, branding people with hot coat hangers, mocking a woman before her execution etc. fits psychopath. I’m sure Babs covered up the really bad animal torture, the fire starting and the bed wetting. The stupid is already out in the open.

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414336 Christy Hardin Smith Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:52:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414336 <p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/link-o-verse/">New thread</a> — thought everyone could use some fresh digs…</p> New thread — thought everyone could use some fresh digs…

]]> By: Tanbark http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414335 Tanbark Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:51:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414335 <p>Kathryn, thank you. </p> <p>And Teddy: “…Henry Kissinger dies of loneliness…”</p> <p> New keyboard, please? :o)</p> Kathryn, thank you.

And Teddy: “…Henry Kissinger dies of loneliness…”

New keyboard, please? :o)

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414334 rwcole Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:51:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/10/no-one-can-tell-us-were-wrong/#comment-414334 <p>A snippet from a description of what I suspect is Clusterfuck’s personality type:</p> <p>General: ENFPs are both “idea”-people and “people”-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of “help”) and be liked and admired by other people, on bo th an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another. </p> <p>Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm, which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (l ots of PDA), and disconcertingly spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature ENFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to reassure them that everyone thinks they’re a wonderful and fascinating person.</p> A snippet from a description of what I suspect is Clusterfuck’s personality type:

General: ENFPs are both “idea”-people and “people”-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of “help”) and be liked and admired by other people, on bo th an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.

Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm, which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (l ots of PDA), and disconcertingly spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature ENFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to reassure them that everyone thinks they’re a wonderful and fascinating person.

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