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		<title>By: Amilius</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-413120</link>
		<dc:creator>Amilius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jean Kirkpatrick’s intellectual confusion about the occurence of instructive consequences was based on a misguided hubris born of righteousness.&lt;br /&gt;
Her disingenuous use of semantics to turn arrogance into ‘confidence’ inspired an entire generation of neoconservatives to disingenuously justify ungracious choices for others based on confidence in our nation’s righteousness.  She also rejected responsibility for circumstances and assigned blame wherever she could so as to justify her sense of righteousness.  Generations of Americans will bear the brunt of her misguided and misinformed notions.  She empowered the most ungracious president to ever hold elected office in this nation to entangle this nation in a nest of catastrophic instructive consequences.  While her friends and family may be saddened by her demise, no comments about this woman should end without the words, “Ding, dong, the witch is dead.  Which old witch?  The wicked witch.  Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean Kirkpatrick’s intellectual confusion about the occurence of instructive consequences was based on a misguided hubris born of righteousness.<br />
Her disingenuous use of semantics to turn arrogance into ‘confidence’ inspired an entire generation of neoconservatives to disingenuously justify ungracious choices for others based on confidence in our nation’s righteousness.  She also rejected responsibility for circumstances and assigned blame wherever she could so as to justify her sense of righteousness.  Generations of Americans will bear the brunt of her misguided and misinformed notions.  She empowered the most ungracious president to ever hold elected office in this nation to entangle this nation in a nest of catastrophic instructive consequences.  While her friends and family may be saddened by her demise, no comments about this woman should end without the words, “Ding, dong, the witch is dead.  Which old witch?  The wicked witch.  Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead.”</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs, AR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-413063</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs, AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;raj - See you at number 66…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raj &#8211; See you at number 66…..</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-413043</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, somebody deleted my negative comment about Hillary from last night.  I guess we know where this blog is going.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, somebody deleted my negative comment about Hillary from last night.  I guess we know where this blog is going.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus B. Ochoa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-412951</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus B. Ochoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-412344&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;klyde @&lt;br /&gt;
                7              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;extraordinarily accomplished woman, of incisive wit and remarkable influence.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess this is what seperates progressives from conservatives.  A progressive writer can praise jeane kirkpatrick after her death without mentioning who and what she used her extrodianry accomplishments, incisive wit and remarkable influence to advance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, expel me from the progressive ranks - it won’t be the first time. This awful woman and her equally awful master - Reagan - were the architects of mass crimes in Central America.&lt;br /&gt;
The wicked witch of the east is dead. Well dead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-412344"><em>klyde @<br />
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<blockquote><p><i>extraordinarily accomplished woman, of incisive wit and remarkable influence.</i></p>
<p>I guess this is what seperates progressives from conservatives.  A progressive writer can praise jeane kirkpatrick after her death without mentioning who and what she used her extrodianry accomplishments, incisive wit and remarkable influence to advance.</p>
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<p>Well, expel me from the progressive ranks &#8211; it won’t be the first time. This awful woman and her equally awful master &#8211; Reagan &#8211; were the architects of mass crimes in Central America.<br />
The wicked witch of the east is dead. Well dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-412919</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeane Kirkpatrick was a very cruel woman.  What I know about her is partially her act on the national stage, but as an active member of the DFL in Minnesota, I also knew her when she was an enforcer in the DFL party in the late 1950’s and most of the 60’s.  In fact when we finally got our chance (we progressives), I was part of the slate that ran against her slate in my precinct caucus in 1968 as part of the Gene McCarthy camp, and I beat her.  And yes, the Issue was the Vietnam War, Johnson and all the rest.  But it was also very personal, because the Kirkpatrick’s were part of the group behind Hubert, the group that would buy anything for the sake of Humphrey, (even a war), and in such a situation you take down your opponent.  In fact Jeane became a member of the original neo-con group shortly after we defeated her wing of the party, and from there she went on to the Greater Glory of the Republican Party.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Evron Kirkpatrick was a U of Minnesota Political Science Professor who essentially found and mentored Hubert in the 1930’s.  He was a quite small man with a milktoast personality, but he was also of some prestige in the Discipline.  (Yale in the early 30’s).  He has been dead for some years.  Jeane was essentially a stay-at-home mom who used her momma time to get her PhD in Poli Sci, work for Hubert, and learn the skills of cat-fighting political enforcer inside the party.  She was an anti-Stalinist who adopted Stalinist methods.  She had been sympathetic to Joe McCarthyism in the 50’s — and kept up her war well into the 60’s — in fact in 1968 she accused those of us supporting Gene of being unreconstructed Stalinists.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jeane Kirkpatrick was anything but a Feminist.  It was in about this period that some of us in the party started wondering why we only had one woman in the state legislature, and none on city council, and women hardly had a fair shot at party offices.  Women were expected to run campaigns from behind the scenes, lick the envelopes, and not have issues.  Jeane, of course, as a hard line anti-Stalinist could have them — but no one else.  The year our slate defeated her slate was also the year we put in the platform equal representation for women in party offices.  I particularly remember a cat fight she had on a convention floor with our one and only woman State Legislature that was particularly bloody.  Jeane’s style was to have these fights, and then go out and undercut the opponent — in this case, she worked against the Legislator in the fall election.  I am fairly certain Karl Rove picked up some of his tactics from her.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Evron and Jeane went to DC and she began to play on the national scene, virtually everyone I knew just said, Thank God — we’re rid of her.  In fact the DFL won both houses of the Legislature after they left, and we no longer had Jeane as the Ideological Enforcer doing damage to our candidates.  And yep, we elected good progressives, and in the 70’s and 80’s did good progressive politics.  A few years ago she was in town for a speech, and in an interview ripped Wellstone from one end to the other — she had seen this Ideological tendency back in the 60’s and the bad Wellstone was it in full flower. (I rather expect our decision to elect Keith Ellison to what had formerly been “her” seat in Congress would have made her last days quite a burden.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeane Kirkpatrick was a very cruel woman.  What I know about her is partially her act on the national stage, but as an active member of the DFL in Minnesota, I also knew her when she was an enforcer in the DFL party in the late 1950’s and most of the 60’s.  In fact when we finally got our chance (we progressives), I was part of the slate that ran against her slate in my precinct caucus in 1968 as part of the Gene McCarthy camp, and I beat her.  And yes, the Issue was the Vietnam War, Johnson and all the rest.  But it was also very personal, because the Kirkpatrick’s were part of the group behind Hubert, the group that would buy anything for the sake of Humphrey, (even a war), and in such a situation you take down your opponent.  In fact Jeane became a member of the original neo-con group shortly after we defeated her wing of the party, and from there she went on to the Greater Glory of the Republican Party.  </p>
<p>Evron Kirkpatrick was a U of Minnesota Political Science Professor who essentially found and mentored Hubert in the 1930’s.  He was a quite small man with a milktoast personality, but he was also of some prestige in the Discipline.  (Yale in the early 30’s).  He has been dead for some years.  Jeane was essentially a stay-at-home mom who used her momma time to get her PhD in Poli Sci, work for Hubert, and learn the skills of cat-fighting political enforcer inside the party.  She was an anti-Stalinist who adopted Stalinist methods.  She had been sympathetic to Joe McCarthyism in the 50’s — and kept up her war well into the 60’s — in fact in 1968 she accused those of us supporting Gene of being unreconstructed Stalinists.  </p>
<p>Jeane Kirkpatrick was anything but a Feminist.  It was in about this period that some of us in the party started wondering why we only had one woman in the state legislature, and none on city council, and women hardly had a fair shot at party offices.  Women were expected to run campaigns from behind the scenes, lick the envelopes, and not have issues.  Jeane, of course, as a hard line anti-Stalinist could have them — but no one else.  The year our slate defeated her slate was also the year we put in the platform equal representation for women in party offices.  I particularly remember a cat fight she had on a convention floor with our one and only woman State Legislature that was particularly bloody.  Jeane’s style was to have these fights, and then go out and undercut the opponent — in this case, she worked against the Legislator in the fall election.  I am fairly certain Karl Rove picked up some of his tactics from her.  </p>
<p>When Evron and Jeane went to DC and she began to play on the national scene, virtually everyone I knew just said, Thank God — we’re rid of her.  In fact the DFL won both houses of the Legislature after they left, and we no longer had Jeane as the Ideological Enforcer doing damage to our candidates.  And yep, we elected good progressives, and in the 70’s and 80’s did good progressive politics.  A few years ago she was in town for a speech, and in an interview ripped Wellstone from one end to the other — she had seen this Ideological tendency back in the 60’s and the bad Wellstone was it in full flower. (I rather expect our decision to elect Keith Ellison to what had formerly been “her” seat in Congress would have made her last days quite a burden.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe in SF</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-412857</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe in SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Put me in the “You Are Way to Kind to this very Terrible Woman” corner. I have a Salvadorean friend who found his father’s severed head on the proch one morning thanks to this “accomplished” woman and her ilk. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If feeling bad about her death is unacceptable, can someone please let me know how many days must pass before we can speak the truth?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put me in the “You Are Way to Kind to this very Terrible Woman” corner. I have a Salvadorean friend who found his father’s severed head on the proch one morning thanks to this “accomplished” woman and her ilk. </p>
<p>If feeling bad about her death is unacceptable, can someone please let me know how many days must pass before we can speak the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And Roy Cohn? Really now. Never would have been elected to office, and his sexuality was certainly in question, never open to the general public in the way that a woman’s gender is open. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Roy cohn’s sexuality was as obvious as Liberace’s! Obviously you’re unaware of the grand european tour he and his boytoy G. David Schine made. Burroughs parodied them in &lt;em&gt;Naked Lunch&lt;/em&gt;. And Gore Vidal once quipped that around the beltway those in the know used to sing “Come Cohn or Come Schine.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Could someone like Cohn get elected to a national office today?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mark Foley, David Drier, Lindsay Graham — the list goes on and on.&lt;/p&gt;
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Are there sufficient successful American role models for an openly gay leaders? Or could gay candidates potentially be compared to Roy Cohn in an effort to suppress their candidacy?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ehrensteinland.com/htmls/bride/g001/b_barneyfrank.html&quot;&gt;Here’s a role model for you.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And Roy Cohn? Really now. Never would have been elected to office, and his sexuality was certainly in question, never open to the general public in the way that a woman’s gender is open. </p>
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<p>Roy cohn’s sexuality was as obvious as Liberace’s! Obviously you’re unaware of the grand european tour he and his boytoy G. David Schine made. Burroughs parodied them in <em>Naked Lunch</em>. And Gore Vidal once quipped that around the beltway those in the know used to sing “Come Cohn or Come Schine.”</p>
<blockquote><p>Could someone like Cohn get elected to a national office today?
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<p>Mark Foley, David Drier, Lindsay Graham — the list goes on and on.</p>
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Are there sufficient successful American role models for an openly gay leaders? Or could gay candidates potentially be compared to Roy Cohn in an effort to suppress their candidacy?
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<p><a href="http://ehrensteinland.com/htmls/bride/g001/b_barneyfrank.html">Here’s a role model for you.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cartujano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cartujano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are way too kind to this very terrible woman. Jane Kirkpatrick was the architect of the US intervention in Central America in the 1980’s, which led to the US proxy wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and, especially, Guatemala, where 100,000 people, mostly Maya Indians, were systematically exterminated. Her mantra that insurgency breeds poverty and not all the way around gave Reagan and his band of Iran-Contra criminals the philosophical ammo to fan the flames of conflicts that left hundreds of thousands of dead, mostly innocent civilians, in that poverty-stricken region. RIP, Jane Kirkpatrick, and good riddance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are way too kind to this very terrible woman. Jane Kirkpatrick was the architect of the US intervention in Central America in the 1980’s, which led to the US proxy wars in Nicaragua, El Salvador and, especially, Guatemala, where 100,000 people, mostly Maya Indians, were systematically exterminated. Her mantra that insurgency breeds poverty and not all the way around gave Reagan and his band of Iran-Contra criminals the philosophical ammo to fan the flames of conflicts that left hundreds of thousands of dead, mostly innocent civilians, in that poverty-stricken region. RIP, Jane Kirkpatrick, and good riddance.</p>
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		<title>By: DefJef</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/08/jeane-kirkpatrick-passed-away/#comment-412673</link>
		<dc:creator>DefJef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Using mean jean’s death as a platform to speak about the iron women in politics and offer some sort of condolence is creepy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That women should have been tried for crimes against humanity.  She has bllod dripping from her hands.  I do not believe in capital punishment but the death of these evil people is a moment for the people to rejoice.  She obviously had not a stitch of humanity in her.  For being a relative of such a monster might inspire sympathy, but not for her departure from THIS world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;her death came decades too late for thousands of people in latin America and around the world whose lives were snuffed out by those who executed her fascist musderous policies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If there is a hell… she deserves to remain there for eternity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using mean jean’s death as a platform to speak about the iron women in politics and offer some sort of condolence is creepy.</p>
<p>That women should have been tried for crimes against humanity.  She has bllod dripping from her hands.  I do not believe in capital punishment but the death of these evil people is a moment for the people to rejoice.  She obviously had not a stitch of humanity in her.  For being a relative of such a monster might inspire sympathy, but not for her departure from THIS world.</p>
<p>her death came decades too late for thousands of people in latin America and around the world whose lives were snuffed out by those who executed her fascist musderous policies.</p>
<p>If there is a hell… she deserves to remain there for eternity.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pach,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;again, thanks for your trenchant, spot on, post. almost always i learn something from your writing. i feel like i gain some better perspective or have an “aha” moment when i read your point of view. the punditocracy would do well to “humble” themselves and consider carefully what you have to say. i won’t hold my breath though ……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pach,</p>
<p>again, thanks for your trenchant, spot on, post. almost always i learn something from your writing. i feel like i gain some better perspective or have an “aha” moment when i read your point of view. the punditocracy would do well to “humble” themselves and consider carefully what you have to say. i won’t hold my breath though ……</p>
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