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		<title>By: enigma4ever</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-411190</link>
		<dc:creator>enigma4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for keeping us posted on what the real scoop is in Vegas, and yes in a way like the commenter said above we all are LasVegans- just like NOLANS…As a nurse I can tell you it is a job that may mean everything, and serve many, the pay is abysmal…and considering many of us don’t have good benifits or even health insurance ourselves- we do the best we can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for keeping us posted on what the real scoop is in Vegas, and yes in a way like the commenter said above we all are LasVegans- just like NOLANS…As a nurse I can tell you it is a job that may mean everything, and serve many, the pay is abysmal…and considering many of us don’t have good benifits or even health insurance ourselves- we do the best we can.</p>
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		<title>By: dusty59</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410999</link>
		<dc:creator>dusty59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne is really exactly on target (61, 69) especially about Fristy (what a tool!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne is really exactly on target (61, 69) especially about Fristy (what a tool!)</p>
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		<title>By: dusty59</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410920</link>
		<dc:creator>dusty59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 02:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Taylor, I really appreciate your staying on this issue. (Disclaimer: I’m an RN, not currently in patient care, and have not worked with any union hospitals).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some commenters have observed that it is hard to see how this is related to staffing issues (ratios in particular).&lt;br /&gt;
I’m inclined to agree: this particular instance is not clearly an understaffing issue, but it certainly &lt;em&gt;could &lt;/em&gt;have contributed.&lt;br /&gt;
I think it is definitely emblematic of the disaster that our MBA run, payer driven healthcare system has become.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me it suggests a real failure in both policy and training. This type of TPN error should have triggered some immediate actions. either the RN was not aware of a policy/procedure, or an appropriate one did not exist. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, I watched as so-called “quality measures” became increasingly remote from patient care, and focused on cost proving. Hospital “educational” offerings were largely either BS cheerleading sessions to make staff “feel more empowered” (barf!) or training to use some order entry system. Any real professional continuing ed. was increasingly on your own time (using vacation time or days off).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also endured years of token pay increases, benefit and staffing cuts, and learning of executive bonuses. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many experienced nurses get fed up, and areas are left with a high number of less experienced staff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, the emphasis to replace nursing staff seems to be promoting nursing in school and funding accelerated RN programs. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great. Perfect. Feed a bunch of new grads in to a system lacking experienced nurses to train them, with the same shit in place that ran many nurses out to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For myself, I could see that my years of commitment were going to leave me with a bad back, a lousy retirement, jeopardizing my license, and a nice warm feeling of having helped a lot of people. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see private enterprise deciding to start treating nurses fairly on its own. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d better go ahead &amp; submit this before the thread gets too much older!&lt;br /&gt;
Again, thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor, I really appreciate your staying on this issue. (Disclaimer: I’m an RN, not currently in patient care, and have not worked with any union hospitals).</p>
<p>Some commenters have observed that it is hard to see how this is related to staffing issues (ratios in particular).<br />
I’m inclined to agree: this particular instance is not clearly an understaffing issue, but it certainly <em>could </em>have contributed.<br />
I think it is definitely emblematic of the disaster that our MBA run, payer driven healthcare system has become.  </p>
<p>To me it suggests a real failure in both policy and training. This type of TPN error should have triggered some immediate actions. either the RN was not aware of a policy/procedure, or an appropriate one did not exist. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I watched as so-called “quality measures” became increasingly remote from patient care, and focused on cost proving. Hospital “educational” offerings were largely either BS cheerleading sessions to make staff “feel more empowered” (barf!) or training to use some order entry system. Any real professional continuing ed. was increasingly on your own time (using vacation time or days off).</p>
<p>I also endured years of token pay increases, benefit and staffing cuts, and learning of executive bonuses. </p>
<p>Many experienced nurses get fed up, and areas are left with a high number of less experienced staff.</p>
<p>Now, the emphasis to replace nursing staff seems to be promoting nursing in school and funding accelerated RN programs. </p>
<p>Great. Perfect. Feed a bunch of new grads in to a system lacking experienced nurses to train them, with the same shit in place that ran many nurses out to begin with.</p>
<p>For myself, I could see that my years of commitment were going to leave me with a bad back, a lousy retirement, jeopardizing my license, and a nice warm feeling of having helped a lot of people. </p>
<p>I don’t see private enterprise deciding to start treating nurses fairly on its own. </p>
<p>I’d better go ahead &amp; submit this before the thread gets too much older!<br />
Again, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Marsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410737</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;UH @ 63 - It is you who are leaping. Questions are being asked here.  Parents were not consulted properly after a horrible tragedy. You also obviously do not know the details of what is going on in Clarke County, Nevada.  We’re asking for answers and raising the questions.  Let’s keep the facts straight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UH @ 63 &#8211; It is you who are leaping. Questions are being asked here.  Parents were not consulted properly after a horrible tragedy. You also obviously do not know the details of what is going on in Clarke County, Nevada.  We’re asking for answers and raising the questions.  Let’s keep the facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. 1050 — good thing I’m not chattier!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. 1050 — good thing I’m not chattier!</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410714</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cujo359 66 — agreed; although the case does not clearly point to inadequate staffing as causal, it could have contributory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No matter, though, if extreme negligence, poor communications, or bad staffing, or some  combination were causal; all three have their roots in poor management.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cujo359 66 — agreed; although the case does not clearly point to inadequate staffing as causal, it could have contributory.</p>
<p>No matter, though, if extreme negligence, poor communications, or bad staffing, or some  combination were causal; all three have their roots in poor management.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410655</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410653&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 66&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410589&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @&lt;br /&gt;
                51              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For those who were looking for more recent JARs for Clusterfuck- here’s one- from Fox- just released:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;38%&lt;br /&gt;
[snip]
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who are these people, these 38%?  who?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somewhere at or below the 38th percentile, I should think.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410653"><em>TeddySanFran @ 66</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-410589"><em>rwcole @<br />
                51              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>For those who were looking for more recent JARs for Clusterfuck- here’s one- from Fox- just released:</p>
<p>38%<br />
[snip]
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>who are these people, these 38%?  who?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Somewhere at or below the 38th percentile, I should think.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410653</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410589&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @&lt;br /&gt;
                51              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For those who were looking for more recent JARs for Clusterfuck- here’s one- from Fox- just released:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;38%&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Approve&lt;br /&gt;
 Disapprove&lt;br /&gt;
 Unsure&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  %&lt;br /&gt;
 %&lt;br /&gt;
 %&lt;br /&gt;
  .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; 12/5-6/06&lt;br /&gt;
 38 54 9&lt;br /&gt;
 11/4-5/06 LV&lt;br /&gt;
 38 54 8&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who are these people, these 38%?  who?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410589"><em>rwcole @<br />
                51              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>For those who were looking for more recent JARs for Clusterfuck- here’s one- from Fox- just released:</p>
<p>38%</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>  Approve<br />
 Disapprove<br />
 Unsure</p>
<p>  %<br />
 %<br />
 %<br />
  .</p>
<p> 12/5-6/06<br />
 38 54 9<br />
 11/4-5/06 LV<br />
 38 54 8</p>
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<p>who are these people, these 38%?  who?</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/why-seiu-nurses-fight/#comment-410652</link>
		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[just came back here to see if anyone could “top” my google hits, and saw this]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410642&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;universalhealth @ 3:30 pm (#63) &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;While the story is heartbreaking, there are many leaps of logic and implied causality which are not supported by the evidence provided in the story.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I agree that the evidence shown doesn’t prove that understaffing was the cause of this death, one has to consider it as one of the possibilities. Overwork and understaffing can lead to such bad decisions, which I think was the real point here. There was a six-hour delay between the time the pharmacist issued that a high-priority correction concerning medication and the time someone finally acted on it for a patient in intensive care. That’s either extreme negligence, poor communications, or bad staffing. I don’t think there are any other reasonable conclusions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, most commenters here know this, but I’m not a medical professional. Some things are just plainly obvious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[just came back here to see if anyone could “top” my google hits, and saw this]</p>
<p><a href="#comment-410642"><em>universalhealth @ 3:30 pm (#63) </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>While the story is heartbreaking, there are many leaps of logic and implied causality which are not supported by the evidence provided in the story.
</p>
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<p>While I agree that the evidence shown doesn’t prove that understaffing was the cause of this death, one has to consider it as one of the possibilities. Overwork and understaffing can lead to such bad decisions, which I think was the real point here. There was a six-hour delay between the time the pharmacist issued that a high-priority correction concerning medication and the time someone finally acted on it for a patient in intensive care. That’s either extreme negligence, poor communications, or bad staffing. I don’t think there are any other reasonable conclusions.</p>
<p>BTW, most commenters here know this, but I’m not a medical professional. Some things are just plainly obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: HinTN</title>
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		<dc:creator>HinTN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410557&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Taylor Marsh @&lt;br /&gt;
                26              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Titanyum, HinTN and all, sign the SEIU petition for these nurses.  They would be so grateful for your suppport.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facts-online.org/campaign/safe_hospital_staffing&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;SUPPORT THE SEIU NURSES&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DONE!!!  And gladly so.  Thanks for this post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410557"><em>Taylor Marsh @<br />
                26              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Titanyum, HinTN and all, sign the SEIU petition for these nurses.  They would be so grateful for your suppport.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facts-online.org/campaign/safe_hospital_staffing"><b>SUPPORT THE SEIU NURSES</b></a></p>
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<p>DONE!!!  And gladly so.  Thanks for this post.</p>
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