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		<title>By: Framed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/staring-into-the-abyss-of-iraqs-future/#comment-411622</link>
		<dc:creator>Framed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 16:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Militia&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is Sadr’s militia in Basra: All I can say is thank goodness Iraq isn’t in the midst of a civil war or anything like that. (Thanks to Firedoglake for the image.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>This is Sadr’s militia in Basra: All I can say is thank goodness Iraq isn’t in the midst of a civil war or anything like that. (Thanks to Firedoglake for the image.)</p>
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		<title>By: kairos in cal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/staring-into-the-abyss-of-iraqs-future/#comment-411239</link>
		<dc:creator>kairos in cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410477&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scarecrow @ 78 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410433&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 36 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
Tremendous amount of effort underway to change one sociopath’s mind. No wonder 41 wept.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No matter which issue we talk about, the worst problems always requre that Bush, or Bush/Rove, or Bush/Cheney change who they are and how they behave. But it’s always Bush. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Consider Glenn G’s article on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/12/possibilities-for-restoring-habeas.html#links&quot;&gt;Possibilities for restoring &lt;em&gt;habeas corpus &lt;/em&gt;rights.&lt;/a&gt;, or the outrageous conduct of the Department of Justice, including covering up their complicity in murders by one of the Department of Homeland Security’s paid informants &lt;a href=&quot;http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/12/possibilities-for-restoring-habeas.html#links&quot;&gt;(this is a must read)&lt;/a&gt;. Or the concerns about whether Bush will follow any of the ISG recommendations (assuming they made sense), or fixing the atrocities in the Military Commission Act, or stopping the system of fraud/abuse in military contracting, or . . . The Dems can investigate all they want, and maybe that will bring about reforms or set up the Dems for further gains in 2008. But nothing really gets fixed in a meaningful way until Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rove are all removed from office. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What needs to be done is staring us in the face. And I think we should be reflecting that back to the media and the country, every day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amen and Amen. They all have to be removed and I continue to pray that it is very soon.&lt;br /&gt;
I think that scarecrow’s call to make that&lt;br /&gt;
a daily proclamation is totally right on. Thanks, scarecrow! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also regarding the comment about Armageddon, I was appalled by local Sacramento clip on John Doolittle before the election to the effect that it all had to continue precisely to bring on Armageddon and he was siding with that goal. Which made his re-election all the more an offense, however slim the margin; but thank God that at least Pombo is out. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Glad there is FDL and others to continue in the prophetic tradition.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410477"><em>scarecrow @ 78 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-410433"><em>TeddySanFran @ 36 </em></a></p>
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…<br />
Tremendous amount of effort underway to change one sociopath’s mind. No wonder 41 wept.</p>
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<p>No matter which issue we talk about, the worst problems always requre that Bush, or Bush/Rove, or Bush/Cheney change who they are and how they behave. But it’s always Bush. </p>
<p>Consider Glenn G’s article on the <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/12/possibilities-for-restoring-habeas.html#links">Possibilities for restoring <em>habeas corpus </em>rights.</a>, or the outrageous conduct of the Department of Justice, including covering up their complicity in murders by one of the Department of Homeland Security’s paid informants <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/12/possibilities-for-restoring-habeas.html#links">(this is a must read)</a>. Or the concerns about whether Bush will follow any of the ISG recommendations (assuming they made sense), or fixing the atrocities in the Military Commission Act, or stopping the system of fraud/abuse in military contracting, or . . . The Dems can investigate all they want, and maybe that will bring about reforms or set up the Dems for further gains in 2008. But nothing really gets fixed in a meaningful way until Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rove are all removed from office. </p>
<p>What needs to be done is staring us in the face. And I think we should be reflecting that back to the media and the country, every day.</p>
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<p>Amen and Amen. They all have to be removed and I continue to pray that it is very soon.<br />
I think that scarecrow’s call to make that<br />
a daily proclamation is totally right on. Thanks, scarecrow! </p>
<p>Also regarding the comment about Armageddon, I was appalled by local Sacramento clip on John Doolittle before the election to the effect that it all had to continue precisely to bring on Armageddon and he was siding with that goal. Which made his re-election all the more an offense, however slim the margin; but thank God that at least Pombo is out. </p>
<p>Glad there is FDL and others to continue in the prophetic tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/07/staring-into-the-abyss-of-iraqs-future/#comment-411064</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 03:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Iranians are the big winners of the Bush war in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush ousted Saddam Hussein and is about to hand Husseins’ head to the Iranians on a platter…something the Iranians couldn’t do during the 1980s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush threw out the Sunni Baathists, whom the Iranian leaders hate, almost as if Bush was listening to the Iranian leaders as they checked each item off their wish list for Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush allowed pro-Iranian leaders to emerge in the new Iraqi government, thus giving the Iranian leaders a major foothold in the post-Saddam Hussein Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, Bush’s animosity toward Saddam Hussein and anything Baathist in Iraq is equal to the animosity of the Iranian ayatollahs toward Saddam Hussein and anything Baathist in Iraq, thus making for a very strange alliance…of sorts…between George W. Bush and the Iranian ayatollahs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the Iranian ayatollahs are taking full advantage of every opportunity George W. Bush has given them in regards to Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While our soldiers die in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the Iranians gain and exercise more and more influence over the non-Kurdish areas of Iraq, areas in which agents of the Iranian ayatollahs terrorize the Iraqi men, women and children, with their hard-core Islamic Republic crap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;George W. Bush, by starting the war in Iraq, has become nothing more than a pawn of the Iranian ayatollahs, thus making the United States nothing more than a pawn helping the Iranian ayatollahs expand their influence throughout the Middle East.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heck’uva job, little Georgie. Your daddy, I’m certain, is very proud of you. (Hmmm, now if only your daddy would stop crying).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iranians are the big winners of the Bush war in Iraq.</p>
<p>Bush ousted Saddam Hussein and is about to hand Husseins’ head to the Iranians on a platter…something the Iranians couldn’t do during the 1980s.</p>
<p>Bush threw out the Sunni Baathists, whom the Iranian leaders hate, almost as if Bush was listening to the Iranian leaders as they checked each item off their wish list for Iraq.</p>
<p>Bush allowed pro-Iranian leaders to emerge in the new Iraqi government, thus giving the Iranian leaders a major foothold in the post-Saddam Hussein Iraq.</p>
<p>In other words, Bush’s animosity toward Saddam Hussein and anything Baathist in Iraq is equal to the animosity of the Iranian ayatollahs toward Saddam Hussein and anything Baathist in Iraq, thus making for a very strange alliance…of sorts…between George W. Bush and the Iranian ayatollahs.</p>
<p>And the Iranian ayatollahs are taking full advantage of every opportunity George W. Bush has given them in regards to Iraq.</p>
<p>While our soldiers die in Iraq.</p>
<p>While hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die.</p>
<p>While the Iranians gain and exercise more and more influence over the non-Kurdish areas of Iraq, areas in which agents of the Iranian ayatollahs terrorize the Iraqi men, women and children, with their hard-core Islamic Republic crap.</p>
<p>George W. Bush, by starting the war in Iraq, has become nothing more than a pawn of the Iranian ayatollahs, thus making the United States nothing more than a pawn helping the Iranian ayatollahs expand their influence throughout the Middle East.</p>
<p>Heck’uva job, little Georgie. Your daddy, I’m certain, is very proud of you. (Hmmm, now if only your daddy would stop crying).</p>
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		<title>By: kemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_mideast_view&quot;&gt;Olmert: Iraq, Mideast conflict unrelated&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh really?  Is Olmert contradicting our own &lt;a href=&quot;http://canberra.usembassy.gov/hyper/2003/1008/epf303.htm&quot;&gt;Condi Rice&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;a free, successful Iraq can help create new momentum toward a lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or what about CIA findings of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter12-i.htm&quot;&gt;Palestinian terror groups&lt;/a&gt; in Iraq?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or how about Saddam’s hero status among Palestinians for &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm&quot;&gt;subsidizing suicide bombers&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nothing to see, says Olmert, move along.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_mideast_view">Olmert: Iraq, Mideast conflict unrelated</a></p>
<p>Oh really?  Is Olmert contradicting our own <a href="http://canberra.usembassy.gov/hyper/2003/1008/epf303.htm">Condi Rice</a>?</p>
<blockquote><p>a free, successful Iraq can help create new momentum toward a lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians</p>
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<p>Or what about CIA findings of <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter12-i.htm">Palestinian terror groups</a> in Iraq?</p>
<p>Or how about Saddam’s hero status among Palestinians for <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm">subsidizing suicide bombers</a>?</p>
<p>Nothing to see, says Olmert, move along.</p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
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		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;santorum’s bye bye speech on cspan 2 now LOL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>santorum’s bye bye speech on cspan 2 now LOL</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Without America there is no future for Iraq. That is since the government in Iraq is an American government. Once Americal leaves the government can’t stand on it’s own.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without America there is no future for Iraq. That is since the government in Iraq is an American government. Once Americal leaves the government can’t stand on it’s own.</p>
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		<title>By: HotFlash</title>
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		<dc:creator>HotFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410468&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bay State Librul @&lt;br /&gt;
                69              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m having a flashback…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What are we fighting for?&lt;br /&gt;
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING…&lt;br /&gt;
The parallels to Nam are breathtaking…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rumsfield/McNamara&lt;br /&gt;
Texas President LBJ/Junior&lt;br /&gt;
The Tet Offensive/sectarian violence&lt;br /&gt;
The Domino Theory/The Iraq Theory&lt;br /&gt;
Quagmire/quagmire&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only thing missing is taking to the streets&lt;br /&gt;
which may occur in early 2007…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jack&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quoth LindaR:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
These Internets are our streets, and we &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; taking to them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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                69              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m having a flashback…</p>
<p>What are we fighting for?<br />
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING…<br />
The parallels to Nam are breathtaking…</p>
<p>Rumsfield/McNamara<br />
Texas President LBJ/Junior<br />
The Tet Offensive/sectarian violence<br />
The Domino Theory/The Iraq Theory<br />
Quagmire/quagmire</p>
<p>The only thing missing is taking to the streets<br />
which may occur in early 2007…</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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<p>Quoth LindaR:</p>
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These Internets are our streets, and we <em>are</em> taking to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay State Librul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay State Librul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410502&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Diane @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sad day, just heard that one of the soldiers killed yesterday was the son of a nurse in our medical community.  Also the anniversary of the death of my husband, he was killed 8 years ago today - need to go home and crawl under the covers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry for your loss and pain,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jack&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410502"><em>Diane @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Sad day, just heard that one of the soldiers killed yesterday was the son of a nurse in our medical community.  Also the anniversary of the death of my husband, he was killed 8 years ago today &#8211; need to go home and crawl under the covers.</p>
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<p>Sorry for your loss and pain,</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410504&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scarecrow @&lt;br /&gt;
                102              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;AP Report: &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_insurgency_saudi_1&quot;&gt;Saudis reportedly funding Iraq Sunnis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;CAIRO, Egypt - Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in        Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity, told the AP most of the Saudi money comes from private donations, called zaqat, collected for Islamic causes and charities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some Saudis appear to know the money is headed to Iraq’s insurgents, but others merely give it to clerics who channel it to anti-coalition forces, the officials said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t recall the Administration complaining about this, when they mention the Syrians and Iranians funding the “terrorists.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Betcha &lt;b&gt;THIS&lt;/b&gt; is what BigTime had to tell Abdullah in Riyadh last week: JB3 knows and is gonna rat you out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410504"><em>scarecrow @<br />
                102              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>AP Report: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061207/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_insurgency_saudi_1">Saudis reportedly funding Iraq Sunnis</a></p>
<blockquote><p>CAIRO, Egypt &#8211; Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in        Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash. </p>
<p>Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.</p>
<p>But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.</p>
<p>Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity, told the AP most of the Saudi money comes from private donations, called zaqat, collected for Islamic causes and charities.</p>
<p>Some Saudis appear to know the money is headed to Iraq’s insurgents, but others merely give it to clerics who channel it to anti-coalition forces, the officials said.</p>
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<p>Don’t recall the Administration complaining about this, when they mention the Syrians and Iranians funding the “terrorists.”</p>
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<p>Betcha <b>THIS</b> is what BigTime had to tell Abdullah in Riyadh last week: JB3 knows and is gonna rat you out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Bong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Bong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-410538&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twolf1 @ 118&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;over on Raw Story:  &lt;em&gt;Lieberman co-starts group to consult on Iraq… Developing…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*in my best Eddie Murphy*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Get the fuck outta here!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;:-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-410538"><em>twolf1 @ 118</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>over on Raw Story:  <em>Lieberman co-starts group to consult on Iraq… Developing…</em></p>
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<p>*in my best Eddie Murphy*</p>
<p><i>Get the fuck outta here!</i></p>
<p>:-)</p>
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