
(Esten Update: At press-time we have raised $3,181.69 for Esten Maxwell's medical expenses. Our readers freakin' rock. If you would like to donate, do so in the right hand margin and end your donation total in $.03 so that we know that your donation is intended for this fund. Thank you and god bless you all. We're so proud of you. -TRex)
Ah, Christmastime. It always makes me feel a little nostalgaic. The smells of evergreens, oranges and cloves, the colored lights, everything shining and sparkling. Takes me back in time to when I was a kid. In that spirit, tonight, I thought I would unveil a new periodic feature called Retro Thursday where I highlight a classic blog post or column and discuss why I feel we owe it to ourselves to keep it fresh in our minds.
We'll kick this series off with an oldie but goodie from 2003, Slate magazine's The Times Scoop that Melted by Jack Shafer, "Cataloging the Wretched Reporting of Judith Miller". It is a veritable Rosetta Stone not only of the distortions and lies that led us into the War in Iraq, but it's also a case study of the echo chamber that was the GOP's Mighty Wurlitzer in its prime, and therefore a cautionary tale for journalists and news-watchers everywhere.
If reporters who live by their sources were obliged to die by their sources, New York Times reporter Judith Miller would be stinking up her family tomb right now. In the 18-month run-up to the war on Iraq, Miller grew incredibly close to numerous Iraqi sources, both named and anonymous, who gave her detailed interviews about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Yet 100 days after the fall of Baghdad, none of the sensational allegations about chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons given to Miller have panned out, despite the furious crisscrossing of Iraq by U.S. weapons hunters.
(snip)
Judith Miller finds everybody associated with the failed search theoretically culpable except Judith Miller. This rings peculiar because Miller, more than any other reporter, showcased the WMD speculations and intelligence findings by the Bush administration and the Iraqi defector/dissidents. Our WMD expectations, such as they were, grew largely out of Miller's stories.
Shafer goes on to list eleven different articles by Miller with "Back-Story", an enumeration of "Miller's Caveats", and some helpful "Suggestions for Remedial Action". For example:
The Bush Administration Case
The Back Story: Miller and Gordon report the Bush administration's findings in "White House Lists Iraq Steps To Build Banned Weapons," Sept. 13, 2002. According to the government, Iraq is attempting to purchase aluminum pipes to assist its nuclear weapons program as well as trying to develop mobile biological weapons laboratories. It also wants to obtain poison gas precursors. And it is trying to hide activities at plants in Fallujah and three other places where poisonous chlorine is made. The report alleges the plants have excess capacity and the Iraqis are diverting chlorine to the military.Iraq continues to develop missiles banned under the 1991 cease-fire, according to the administration, and is doing prohibited research at its Al Rafah North complex. At the demolished Al Mamoun facility, where the Iraqis intended to make engines for long-range missiles, the Iraqis are rebuilding.
Miller Caveats: Some experts wonder if the aluminum tubes might be for rocket systems, not nuclear weapons work.
Suggested Remedial Action: A Times visit to Fallujah, Al Rafah North, Al Mamoun, and other sites alluded to is called for. Maybe the Times can find evidence that supports or discredits the administration's claim.
Shafer, by his own admission, is only able to hit a smattering of what he calls "the Miller corpus", but the column is pretty devastating, and the piece above, which Dick Cheney famously referred to on "Meet the Press" to bolster the administration's push for war, is almost certainly one of the many bogus stories which, we now know, were lovingly drizzled into Judy's overly credulous ears by BushCo and their operatives.
MR. RUSSERT: Aluminum tubes.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Specifically aluminum tubes. There’s a story in The New York Times this morning, this is, I don’t, and I want to attribute The Times. I don’t want to talk about, obviously, specific intelligence sources, but it’s now public that, in fact, he has been seeking to acquire, and we have been able to intercept and prevent him from acquiring through this particular channel, the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge. And the centrifuge is required to take low-grade uranium and enhance it into highly enriched uranium, which is what you have to have in order to build a bomb.
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. It all seems so facile and easily debunked in retrospect. We can put all this together in a matter of minutes, so how come her editors couldn't have done some, oh, I dunno, rudimentary fact-checking before they published stories of such momentous import?
In the words of columnist Margaret Kimberly in the Chicago Defender:
Judith Miller and her bosses at the Times are all complicit in bringing hell to the people of Iraq. They aided and abetted the Bush administration’s web of lies that convinced many Americans to support making war on a helpless people. When Judith Miller reported that a confidential source provided her with proof of the existence of WMD, already spineless members of Congress turned completely to jelly. They held their fingers in the political winds and concluded that shock and awe was a great idea after all.
You can tell that Miller is an Orthodox NeoCon by her sanctimony, her tendency to attack other people for her own catastrophic failings, and her seemingly superhuman ability to withstand mega-doses of irony that would kill a normal person. From Mother Jones magazine:
"I'm worried about bloggers," she said. "(A post) starts as a rumor and within 24 hours it's repeated as fact."Let's talk about standards of journalism, shall we? Judy Miller repeatedly pushed questionable intelligence — most of which turned out to be false — on the front pages of the New York Times, influencing public debate on the question of whether or not to go to war. Because Miller was at best a careerist blinded by phenomenal access who simply didn't ask enough questions and at worst the knowing crony of a dishonest administration, the influences exerted on that debate were exactly the ones the Bush Administration, trying to make a case for an unsupportable war to an unconvinced public, wanted. Miller then went to jail, supposedly to protect the first amendment rights of journalists, while actually protecting the reputation and career of a crook of a source (but reliable for high-level leaks!) bent on destroying the reputation and career of a husband-wife team opposed to the administration's policies.
So, yeah, keeping fighting the good fight, Judy.
Amen.
Related posts:
- What Did Dick Give Judy to Go Pro-Torture?
- G.I. No: NRO’s Miller Longs for Country of Green Plastic Men
- Late Night: The South Carolina GOP Supper Club Presents “The Merchants of Prejudice”
- Late Night Presents: Harry vs. Harry in a Lightweight Bout for the Future of the Public Option
- Saddam Interrogation: US Still Trying to Show 9/11 Connection as Late as Mid-2004





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TRex!
TRex! : )
BOO-YAAAAHHH!!
kumbayah…..
It may be time for a “where is she now” post.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 4
KUM-BOO-YAAAAAAHHH!!
Ah, Judy!
Oh, and for more fun…
Bill Moyers is slamming Abramoff on PBS!
Judy! Abramoff!
TRex! Moyers!
Can it get any better tonight? : )
atdnext @ 7
yes. Jon Stewart on the ISG, “Mess O’Potomac”
RevDeb @ 8
Oooh! I guess I’ll have to stay in front of the teevee all night! : )
Never too late to be thinking ‘08.
Susan Collins looks like she may have some competition in Maine: MyDD takes a look at a prospect. May be a nice spot for some Act Blue attention.
Esten!
If you’re not in the US, the VISA button won’t work, ya’ know. Gotta fix that. Pretty soon, you’re gonna need inflows of foreign capital to stay afloat.
Oh, wait…
Who do you think we are, the Bush administration?
Drizzled ears!
Roasted or boiled?
Classic Judy:
Where have all the tubes gone?
Long time passing!
TRex @
6
Oh lord kumbayah…
Three. Thousand. Dollars?
Unbefuckinlievable.
This community never ceases to amaze me.
RBG @ 16
Best on the web, amigo!
TRex, Retro Thursday is a great idea. We need to keep the “corporate memory” alive. Attention spans are shorter and shorter… Today, the “day that will live in infamy,” a woman where I work who is younger than I (she’s in her mid 50s) had NO IDEA what happened at Pearl Harbor. When a much younger woman (in her 30s) said “they bombed the Arizona” her response was something along the lines of “OHH… I thought it had something to do with the ocean.” Thanks for keeping the memory of important past events alive…
It’s time for me to crawl into my jammies, so I’ll see all the comments in the morning, when I drag the NYT folks out from behind the firewall.
Marion in Savannah @ 18
It amazes me sometimes how little the average American citizen knows about our history. Maybe that’s why they’ve been so easily duped by the NeoCons.
OT: Um, has anyone done the math on Mary Cheney? She’s expecting to deliver in late spring. That means she got pregnant in September, at the latest. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that it was a planned pregnancy. Which means Cheney KNEW she was pregnant BEFORE the anti-gay-rights vote in Virginia, where she and her partner live. What, if anything, did Mary do to protect her family?
Looks like we got completely passed over for this year’s 2006 Weblog Awards.
Well, I’ll just be crying myself to sleep tonight.
It’s an honor just to not be nominated.
JeeZus, guys, I’m gonna go do laundry until that awful noise stops. I left the church when they traded the distilation of two millenia of sacred music for kumbayah.
Nighty-night Marion.
Judy Judy Judy. Such a mole.
I need an RC with peanuts. Watching all of these sad snippets on TDS is hard on the couch but close to the fireplace, it’s nine degreees outside.
Like the retro idea as well TRex, we need to keep an eye on these folks especially after the limelight frees them up for more treasonous acts.
I think I’ve already chosen next week’s winner. Can’t tell you, though. National security.
TRex @ 12
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Judy.
Judy who?
Judy Miller.
Ahhhmmmm…Judy’s not here.
It’s me, stupid. Judy Miller.
Ahhhmmmm…there’s nobody here (sounds of Scoots and Deadeye giggling).
Open up! I know you’re in their. C’mon, Scootie baby, Mama gots those Aspen quivers.
What’s the password?(More giggling).
WMD.
Ahhhmmmm…sorry, but you must be mistaken (loud guffawing and…and…it sounds like a stream of water hitting the floor???).
Well FU! I’m going home and play with my dolls!
Judy who?(Shrieks of hysterical laughter and what sounds like people rolling on the floor).
TRex @ 21
NOOOOOO!
TRex does ‘da tightest blogs 4 late nite! : )
TRex @ 21
Diebold does windows? May we write/type in our vote?
There’s Something About Mary: http://www.salon.com/mwt/featu…..ry_cheney/
Retro is good, TREx, great idea. Gives us perspective. Yeah, I like it. Gotta go fold clothes for a minute.
That is so sadly true. I was talking to my 38yo daughter last Spring. I started fuming about the vile Ann Coulter and my daughter said, “Ann Who?” Although, I don’t know, maybe she’s better off not knowing.
TRex @ 21
Never heard of them.
Frank Probst @ 20
The best possible thing: she was born into a wealthy, politically well-connected family.
TRex @ 21
Good blogs don’t need to be nominated for self-congratulation awards.
Go Esten!
I’m happy to be part of that. Lil guy will be in my prayers, too. YOU rock, T-Rex, for bringing this to our attention.
Heard of who?
EvilDrPuma @ 33
Yeah, fuckem. Who’s going to YearlyKos to talk about real shit, huh? Nobody from those masturbatory bit rags, thats fur shooah!
The midnight hour is striking. Time to saddle up my horse and ride home.
More in a bit.
Thanks to everyone who donated to Esten. Tommy really showed up for us, it’s great that we can do the same for him.
Jane Hamsher @ 38
Tommy Yum helped save the freakin’ world. I’ll be giving whenever I have a few bucks, this is going to cost a bomb. So, same drill? Just chip in on the regular FLD links or mail to the address above and tag it with the three cents marker, I assume.
yahoo
Another Bushevik Violation of the Rule of Law: The Homeland Security Department’s newly revealed computerized risk assessments of international travelers may violate a specific ban that Congress imposed as part of the agency’s budget over the past three years.
So Homeland defense fucks capitalism. Hm, either theyre communists or they want to eat your caput, your head.
I heard this spell somewhere else… it goes like there are bulls and gays in texas and ur not lookin bull.
ccokz @ 40
It just never ends with these assholes, does it? Well, I guess the Democratic-controlled 110th Congress will just have to deal with this, eh?
Trex, could you put a link to last night’s story in your first paragraph? I didn’t check in last night, and it took me awhile to find what you were referring to. BTW, I did take a moment to donate some $$. “Had Enough” made me smile every time I heard it, and I’ve always enjoyed Tommy’s comments. I hope your son gets better soon, Tommy.
johnSwifty @
36
Actually, the choice for best liberal blog is going to be tough. How do you choose between Pandagon, Skippy, The General, Shakespeare’s Sister, and Digby?
OT– Great news for the Seminole Tribe & I can’t wait to visit a cafe very soon! Take this Jack (P.O.S.) and friends and many, many more– power to the People!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12…..ref=slogin
EvilDrPuma @ 41
EDP, seriously though, what if he just vetos everything? Stalemate. He can and he will. Meantime we have no habeas corpus, etc, etc, and a couple hundred thousand of our citizens occupying a country that may become their pyre.
Are we banking on investigations making impeachment popular? Where there’s no will, there’s no way. What else is there?
Boo-yah! Judith fuckin Miller can’t hide from her role in this debacle.
jeffreyw @ 10
I was just at MyDD to see that…
Oooh! Will Tom Allen run?
Can he beat Collins?
Why am I getting a good feeling about ME? ; )
atdnext @ 47
’cause it’s really close to NH, VT and MA.
It’s gonna blow blue soon!
Military is there and they ain’t too happy and they, I think, are tired of the Bush compound and shenanigans in Kennebunkport as they lose jobs, freeze, and suffer while the Family seems to not care.
angie @ 44
I’m watching Bill Moyers open up Abramoff’s closet of skeletons right now. : )
Easy. Pick Digby.
Wonder where everybody is. Did that photo of Mata Whori at the top of the post scare everyone away?
If you look deeply into Judith’s eyes, you can see the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud.
-GSD
atdnext @ 49
I have seen that program– it’s good. Be prepared to have very tired jaws from either grinding your teeth or screaming in furor.
It’s worth watching– hope Judy watches!
I was kind of hoping we’d hear from Dixie and Dreaming Crow and alias tonight, our new friends formerly known as lurkers.
angie @ 48
Well, Maine’s been voting Dem for everything else for a while…
I guess we just need to do to Collins in ‘08 what we did to Chafee in ‘06…
“She’s not as ‘moderate’ as you think!”
HotFlash @ 45
IMHO, impeachment will take 15-16 Repug senators to join all the Dems and Indies, and therefore, while possible if the investigations show striking high crimes and misdemeanors, it still is a stretch to get the votes.
On the other hand, a wealth of subtly planned and handled congressional investigations in the limelight over the course of the next 2 years would put paid to the idea for the 08 elections and beyond, that the Repugs should never, ever be allowed to hold the reins of power again.
YMMV
Looks like Obama sold out 1,500 seats in Manchester, NH on Sunday.
-GSD
HotFlash @ 45
In the case of the HS budgets for the last three years, Bush already signed them, including the stipulation about computerized risk assessments. That ship has sailed, and it seems that HS has been caught red-handed.
As for impeachments…well, Bush isn’t the only potential target in this. Chertoff, Ridge, or (apparently) both are directly accountable for this, and either or both could be targeted for criminal charges.
I missed the story from last night too but figured out the fundraiser was for Tommy’s boy so I just left a Jackson in the till. So glad to see this happen, I was wondering what was going on with the Maxwells and thought we should do something like this for them, I’m glad you took the time to bring it up Trex, you’re a scholar and a gentleman.
I just threw down some cash for Esten TRex…And yes it was more than a buck three eighty…
k2 @
42
Done!
atdnext @ 55
She is buddy buddy with Lieberman ad nauseum and reaffirmed it yet again today during the ISG Senate Armed Services Cmte hearing.
Kiss of death, as far as I am concerned. We should float it.
:>)
By the way, Laura Bush was wondering how to get caviar and bourbon stains out of her $8,000 Oscar De Larenta dress.
She wants it in tip top shape for the shotgun wedding of Barbara Jr. to the unemployed South American lad…..
-GSD
ccokz @
40
Umm, I think you’re talking about the old saw, “only thing from Texas are steers and queers, and you don’t look like a steer to me, boy.”
Crooks and Liars is in the house.
-GSD
Mad Dogs @ 56
Impeachment ain’t gonna happen…
We don’t have the votes to convict in the Senate…
However, I agree with you on the investigations, and on our opportunity to prove to America that the GOPers don’t deserve to hold power in DC for quite a while…
Oh yeah, Nancy Pelosi is looking to prevent the congressional pay raise from kicking in in January.
Smart move. Shove that in the Republicans faces.
-GSD
montag @ 64
In Texas its changed to “the only things from Oklahoma are steers and queers and you don’t look like a steer to me.”
GSD @ 63
I thought Jenna was the one shackin’ up with the hot Argentinian boy.
GSD @
65
Now it’s a party…!
How’s things John A.?
Yep, it’s Jenna!
Wonkette says so.
atdnext @ 69
I thought it was Paris…..
-GSD
GSD @
65
There was an FDL/C&L sushi caucus tonight.
I ate too much.
It really is one of the prime neocon attributes — loudly accuse your opponents of what you’re openly doing yourself.
Is Judy on the witness list for Scooter’s trial next month?
EvilDrPuma @ 58
Hmm, criminal charges. That’s nice, if there is sufficient evidence of wrong doing the justice folks must pursue it. The decision to prosecute is not (so much) political as impeachment. But the Decider is the only one who can’t face criminal charges and also the only one who can legally get us out of Iraq, which is what we need to do stat. My head hurts.
Well, I’m going to pack it in, early day tomorrow. God bless Jane and Christy and TRex and Pach and Swopa and Taylor and Hugh and all the front-pagers at FDL, — um and Mr. Brigham, too, I think he needs it a lot — and all the commenters and make me a good girl. And may the White House know justice soon. Amen and good night, all.
Disclaimer: I’m actually an agnostic, but sometimes I enjoy the reassurance.
I just kicked in some more for Esten too… I don’t have much but what he has better use for the tiny bit I do have.
Fishy goings on at late nite FDL. Just the ebbi and flow.
-GSD
HotFlash @ 45
“What if he vetoes everything?”
Imho, he has only vetoed the stem-cell research bill so far in the past 6 years.
Everytime he uses that veto pen, the public should be made very aware of this one veto with the Repub Congress and now he is being an “obstructionist” with the Dems.
Say it over and over again and the traction takes. Maybe not for the 30 percent crowd but for the general public.
You never know what a Congressional investigation will turn up. Watergate looked pretty tame until Alexander Butterfield mentioned that the White House had a tape recording system. Suddenly it wasn’t just dueling recollections of who said what. Suddenly Woodward and Bernstein weren’t just a couple of kooks writing about weird meetings in parking garages.
Follow the evidence – put the puzzle together.
Follow the money – who pays, and who gets?
Follow the motives – who gets what, and who doesn’t get anything?
And people in power do very weird things when they feel that power is threatened. Ask Archibald Cox, John Dean, or Joe Wilson.
Watergate was indeed a third rate burglary. The actions of the White House following the arrests, especially during the Congressional investigation, are what made it a scandal that brought down a president.
I’m not saying to bet on investigations to bring down Bush – but I wouldn’t bet against it either. I would bet, however, that they will slow down the foolishness he’s able to commit.
Watching from teh wings mostly. I can’t comment on this thread all that much. At the time all this happened? i was mainlining anime with friends and generally calling bullshit any time the news was on. I saw through the facade without an effort when they stumped for the war in 2002.
ME: You’re kidding me right? *invent swearwords here*
That was on the 1st anniversary speech of 9/11. Pretty much sums it all up for my attitude for the last 6 years. Including his 2000 elections…
Judy, as a blonde?
The Dirty F*&king Hippie Caucus had some great sushi tonight. I can barely move..hehe
aliasofwestgate @ 81
Ditto for me sans the anime addiction. The first moment I heard Chimpy was even thinking of running late in 1998 I told my friends “You’re looking at the next disastrous chapter in American history if that guy gets elected” and I’ve been proven 100% accurate. I’ve been a Bush clan resistor since the 80s.
Sushi…now i want some! *thinks about unagi and kappa maki*
John Amato @ 83
What’s up with that? I didn’t even get an invite?
And I totally would have brought fresh Ginger and Home ground Wasabi Root!
You haven’t lived until you’ve tried it fresh ground.
Lookie here.
To quote Yogi Berra, it is deja vu all over again.
Reports the Saudis are funding the Sunni insurgents. Seems like just the other day they were supporting radicals in Afghanistan.
1000 Bin Ladens. That is what old Hosni Mubarak said would come of the Iraq war.
-GSD
John Amato @ 83
What kind of sushi is the official Dirty F*cking Hippie Caucus serving these days?
*raises an eyebrow*
Aaaaaand i messed that comment up in a hurry.
Fini, i’d say we both have well honed bullshit detectors. *grins*
Poor Ned TFK. All this talk about sushi …
The Dirty F*&king Hippie Caucus had some great sushi tonight.
was there house music? a bit of bluegrass, perhaps?
you know: sushi and the banjoes
punaise @ 91
Sushie and the Banjoes? Did they have that hit, “Filet of Soul”?
How’s thing punaise?
Where did TRex go? We can make a party of this yet……. Even if they were too stingy to share the sushi?
punaise @ 91
Next time you go that far for a pun, pick me up a T-shirt.
aliasofwestgate @ 89
I was raised by a woman who called herself the World’s Only Catholic Jewish Mother that instilled in me a nose for bullshit detection. You couldn’t put anything past her, I always got caught in my stupid kid lies, eventually I gave up and just started busting myself whenever I misbehaved.
“Reports the Saudis are funding the Sunni insurgents. Seems like just the other day they were supporting radicals in Afghanistan.”
Haven’t they also been funding the Bush Family?
neurophius @
96
Yep, that’s why a bad word is never said about the Saudi Kings, who you know, chop off peoples heads in public.
-GSD
neurophius @ 96
Reason 24,743 for abandoning petroleum as an energy source and developing our own independent resources for fuel.
stripes, seen here
Fini, sounds familiar.
My mom is canadian which helps with attitude, but she’s also a cynicist in a lot of ways. She was never fully content here in the US. Which is why i grew up minutes from the canadian border in michigan That influence and her constant questioning of the general order of things pretty much formed my view of things. Between taht and never seeing america as ‘number 1′ in my world. i had two to go between. why bother competing? hershey’s in one country, cadbury’s in the other. BOTH chocolate! *evil grin*
But she also could catch me in a lie like yours did. I wonder if that’s a common thread in those like this group. That and a love for sarcasm and satire. heh.
Nate @
93
hey, Nate: wasabe, dude? maybe TRex is picking up party supplies on his way home.
From that Google article:
“In one recent case, an Iraqi official said $25 million in Saudi money went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to buy weapons, including Strela, a Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The missiles were purchased from someone in Romania, apparently through the black market, he said.”
Russia is paying it forward for all of their troops killed by US manufactured, Saudi funded stinger missiles that bedeviled the Russian helicopters in Afghanistan in the 80’s.
There was an F-16 downed in Iraq last week and this is the rumored weapon of destruction.
Payback is a fucker. Heckuva job.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @
94
it’s Jane’s fault. sue she.
cbl–Got your message. Working on some ideas.
punaise @ 99
Stripes, seen a while ago
Of course the stripes I’d like to see would be on Judy and some of her confidential sources.
paging darkblack . . .
It is a common thread here. The people who run and write for this blog, the commentors, the folks we love like Joe Wilson and Jon Tester…we all tend to be intolerant of bullshit. I found my home here a while ago, it’s cool to have new people like yourself find us to hang out with. Thanks for deciding to delurk, we need more people to hang out here intolerant to bullshit.
atdnext @ 66
“We don’t have the votes to convict in the Senate…” That may be true but isn’t it also true We won’t know if we have the votes to impeach the Chimp until and unless the process begins. Nixon resigned when it was clear impeachment proceedings were inevitable. Compared to the Bush/Cheney crime family Nixon and gang were weenies.
We’re dealing with the worst administration in our history, certainly the most felonious. It is our duty to insist on impeachment hearings for both Bush and Cheney, force their resignations “for the good of the Republic”.
The Honorable Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi is sworn into her new office, moves into the White House and we all party hearty.
President Pelosi in 2007!
Sorry, gang. Got distracted by my 19 year old kitty, the old Colonel, Gus. When he does leave his nest in the club chair, he goes to the kitchen for a bite to eat, then to the box, and then he creaks back in here into the living room and walks to where I am sitting and stops. This is my signal to pick him up and hold him in my lap and scratch his old ears and kiss the top of his head.
Then he goes to the chair and curls up and goes to sleep again. The cycle never varies. Chair. Kitchen. Box. Lap. Squawk like a baby pterodactyl if you are not picked up immediately.
Me=pussy whipped.
FDL question: anybody want to venture an opinion on the value of posting interesting snippets here from other major blogs? for instance, there was a big kerfuffle over at DKos today about impeachment: a kos post, and a Jerome a Paris rebuttal diary. yet I assume most folks are checking DailyKos throughout the day and are aware of that on their own.
same goes for TPM, etc.
(hey, newspaperbrat!)
Gus.
moi aussi, with Sergeant Itchy, Trex.
They do lead us.
welcome home and g’nite all!
aww– He’s adorable and looks so very young in that picture, TRex– keep doing what you’re doing for Gus.
punaise @ 109– I would be tres ok with that– lots of people aren’t comfortable clicking away on links, especially if they are new or at work. :)
“Gus, who’s coming to dinner”
wait, scratch that.
Night pooches and kitties and fishies.
-GSD
TRex @
110
Cool looking cat, but I gotta ask, has he always been long hair? I have a cat with the same markings that is constantly mistaken for a Siamese because her hair is medium length, but growing in length as she gets older. She may end up that furry one day I’m thinking, no?
Suzanne @ 90
You should have seen him when he first heard about tartar sauce. Oh the horror…
punaise @
109
Ya mean like Max Headroom and Tony Snow…separated at birth?
punaise – hey you – sure like your question!
Thanks for the welcome, Fini. Definitely makes it worth coming back here.
Lovely Feline, TRex. My not so little lady Velvet is black and demanding. When i lived with my parents? i had to give her her own chair to sit in while i was on the puter. She still inisists on a lap while i visit them.
They DO own us, and they know it.
RBG @
116
good one!
A new batch of Presidential Medals of Freedom are being handed out . . . and no, Rummy’s not on the list. (At least not this one – he’ll have to wait a bit.) Two of my favorites are, though: Legendary baseball great, Buck O’Neil, and blues icon BB King.
Damn, that’s a sweet pair.
speaking of blog awards, Attaturk took matters into his own hands with a curve ball to the Koufax Awards, in favor of the Jim Kaat Award.
I think that impeachment will only happen if the MSM can be convinced to stop pissing in it’s pant’s every time the GOP goes boo. Only if a big enough public uproar make a few Goopers fear for their jobs will they cross over and vote to convict. Noise in the blogosphere doesn’t carry enough weight(yet).
While we are doing some early Friday cat blogging I thought I would share a picture of Oatmeal, aka Oat-sy or Oatmeezy. I loved the flash effect on her eyes in this so much I left it untouched.
TRex @
54
I’m heeeeeeeeeeeeere. I’m just veryvery exhausted after a full day spent with a screaming, manic 13 year old. o.O
Ugh, the better living through chemistry better start soon.
Peterr—that’s great news about Buck. KO’s gonna have a hard time saying something nice about GWB.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 114
He’s actually a short-hair. He just looks extra bushy in that photo. I think I had just brushed him or was about to. His winter coat looks like that.
I’m amazed and puzzled that Chimpy is honoring BB King. Amazed that he would even know who BB King is, puzzled that for some reason I thought Clinton had already given him one of those, unless I’m just not remembering correctly.
RBG @ 125
I suspect he’s spend most of his time talking about Buck, not GWB.
But oh how I wish I was at 18th and Vine in KC for the party . . .
aliasofwestgate @ 118
Is she ropy and angular with a big loud voice? A lot of those all-blacks have some Siamese in them.
Hey, Crow!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 127
I don’t seriously believe for one second that Der Shrubbenfuhrer has a clue who he gives medals to.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 123
Did I know already that you’re a Siamese’s pet human, too?
newspaperbrat @ 107
To prevent a President Cheney (shudder), Dick would have to be impeached and removed before Bush. The problem is that then Bush would be able to appoint a new VP of his choosing–oh, say, Rick Santorum? George Felix Macaca Allen? St. John McCain?–and we would still be faced with the prospect of a Bush impeachment leading to a president we definitely would not want. As I understand it, the only way to get a President Pelosi would be if Bush and Cheney went down at the same time (as, say, in an accident), or if, say, Cheney resigned for “health reasons” and Bush was impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate before he had time to appoint a new VP. That last scenario doesn’t seem likely, as Bush would have plenty of time during the impeachment proceedings to appoint a new VP, and no doubt would use that as his insurance policy against conviction (by appointing someone as VP who would be unacceptable as president). I don’t see an easy road to a Pelosi presidency.
speaking of cool cats and Kings, Furry Sings The Blues
One of the days, when I devise my Unified Field Theory of Conservatism, there’s going to be a little black-bordered box in the midst of all the connections for Judith Miller.
The Horatio Alger wannabe of journalists. The Mata Hari of the Beltway. The howling harridan of the Iraq Survey Group. The Lucretia Borgia of New York news publishing. Libby’s trumpeting strumpet. Chalabi’s useful idiot.
But, as Mencken said of Harding, “… but, I wax lyrical” and don’t mean to.
DreamingCrow @
124
welcome back!
I find Tony Snow to be a gratuitous insult to my intelligence. Simply by existing, he makes people dumber.
EvilDrPuma @ 130
[spits orange soda across the room] 707!!! [tumbles to floor helplessly] [rolls on floor laughing]
I’m gonna use that from now on instead of Chimpy with your approval!
montag @ 134
I’m stealing every word of it.
OT: The megabillions spent on missile defense pay off again.
Supposedly, this is the second failure in nine tests of the system. I won’t be surprised to learn that “success” means that both missiles launch, but that none has ever hit a target that wasn’t putting out an RF signal to permit tracking.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 137
Go ahead. I’ve been using it off and on for six years.
Punaise— you gotta love a post titled:
“Never let a Non-Sequitur prevent you from making an ad hominem attack”.
Bailey, named for her tendency to take foot bail.
TRex @ 131
Possibly, I didn’t know that all black cats have some Siamese in them, if this is true, then I guess she is a Siamese. Both her parents were all black cats. Her brother that I own is an all black cat named Jesse Owens because he used to run so fast around the house within days of his birth he earned the title Fastest Kitten in the East by my niece. Owning a speed record I felt he should have a proper name to go with it, hence Jesse Owens, the man who thumbed his nose at Hitler in the ‘36 Olympic games.
TRex @
108
TRex ~ All felines speak pterodactyl. You are lucky that you are also of dino – pursuasion and immediately recognize it. The little croaks and squeaks are a bit disarming at first. It took me years to figure out that my guys were dino bi (lingual). But, after all, I am just a cricket.
EvilDrPuma @ 139
Yup, and have been paying off like a slot machine for two decades….
TRex @ 110
What a charmer, TRex! This is my pretty little princess, Ourania. She’s getting fat as she gets older though, so she’s not the same teeny little thing.
So what is Evil Judy doing now (besides rehearsing her testimony with Scooter’s lawyers)? Not practicing journalism, surely?
neurophius @ 147
Last I heard, she was rumored to have worked a deal with one of Moon’s operations, most likely UPI.
Suzanne @ 142
Beautiful girl!!
DreamingCrow @ 146
Awwww she’s a cute one. My boy cat Phreak that died in August looked just like that and was quite the charmer too. I loved it when he would do that same thing yours is doing in the picture where they sleep on top of their heads like that!
TRex,
She’s black with a white star and a bit along her underbelly. I think she’s got more abyssinian in her though. She looks like a typical shorthair but she’s as velcro kitty as abyssinians are described to be.
Here
she is. Her voice is loud, but she’s got a tendency to trill instead of yowling. She learned that worked in our house a LOT better very quickly. (Ignore the niece’s toys in the background)
DreamingCrow @ 146
My god. How did you stop yourself from just wanting to eat her cos she’s so cute?
I love when they make themselves into little circles.
EvilDrPuma @
130
BWAAHAA! still mopping off the monitor. “Der Shrubbenfuhrer,” gawd i love this place.
on a sad note, this grandma was informed earlier by her daughter that all grands (2 grandmas, 1 step-grandma, 1 grandpa, 1 great-grandma, and 2 great-grandpas) are limited to ONE toy gift for my soon-to-be-three grandson. Sigh. I told her about Esten and suggested that perhaps I should send the toy fund $$ his way. She heartily agreed, so next paycheck….
Suzanne @
142
How did I miss this beauty? She looks like she’s wearing a velvet coat. Gorgeous!
He is QUITE the gallant old gentleman. He looooves pretty girls. Especially my friend Claire. When she comes over, he stands on the coffee table so they can be eye-level, and he rubs his nose against hers.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 150
It used to be her favorite position and location. Now, she sits on a paper box in the kitchen that she’s made her home. o.O I haven’t quite figured that one out yet, but she’s comfortable.
The cat is the animal to whom the Creator gave the biggest eye, the softest fur, the most supremely delicate nostrils, a mobile ear, an unrivaled paw and a curved claw borrowed from the rose-tree.
(Sidonie Gabrielle Colette)
TRex @ 152
What I can’t figure out is why someone hasn’t stolen her yet, as her two favorite things to do are sneak out the door and take her collar off. People stop by outside regularly to admire her and all of our visitors, inside and out, give her the respect she is UTTERLY certain that she deserves.
Brains, beauty, and attitude, she has them all and knows it well.
Louis 1
Louis 2
Do I have to have my photos already posted somewhere on the web nto link to, or is there a way to simply post a pic or two to the comments?
RBG @
141
zesty….
DreamingCrow @ 156
All cats love paper bags and cardboard boxes, its a rule. Every cat I’ve ever lived with would have hours of fun with the grocery bags and boxes brought home. I on purpose get a new paper bag from the grocery store every other shopping trip just for my cats to play with for several days. Oatmeal uses them to “surprise” anyone walking by it by grabbing your foot with her paw.
Time spent with cats is never wasted.
(Colette again)
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 162
Oh, that I can understand. However, Rainy sits on top of a closed box full of paper. She’s just on the lid and there’s nothing special about it, but she’s there something like 14 hours out of the day now, quite seriously.
Cats are weird, that’s all that I can say.
Louis is a handsome devil punaise. Those photos are a couple of great shots of him, they’re almost kitty calendar quality.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 165
Lous says “merci”. for a shelter cat he’s very discriminating with his poses.
Punaise knows that if I ever visit, he’s going to have to check my pockets when I leave to make sure I’m not trying to make off with Louis.
punaise @ 159
Scratch that. With feet that big, I don’t think I have pockets that would fit him. Lord, is he part jack-rabbit?
TRex @
167
hey, he’d probably think galavanting around with a dinosaur would be great fun…
TRex @ 168
still a
puppykitten, room to grow into those toes.turning in early. bonne nuit, les chats.
Louis reminds me of a cat I used to be owned by named Simba. My niece had named him in anticipation of taking him to her house, then changed her mind and I had to save him from my other brother taking him to Animal Control. He was a cool cat, died young from an out of control infection that came on him quickly. Always keep the cats up to date with the shots folks.
jcricket, yes you have to have them posted some place on the web in order to hyperlink the picture.
Gang, I gotta fix myself something to eat. I’ll check back in before bed.
NewDealFarmGrrrlll @ 153
NewDealFarmGirl -
I hope by next Christmas season you and all the grands are allowed to indulge (or not) to your hearts’ content.
Just (at least) once a year – hope you and all the grands who wish to share with the GC’s get your wish.
(And of course, in my ideal universe,
the donations would still go to Esten.Nope – they wouldn’t be needed.)
Blessings to Esten – and wrap on, NewDealFarmGirl
[ps - I have a heretical observation among and regarding activist cultural norms. … including the gasp - Bay Area - activists I know and love.
ok, i’m really in trouble now:]
I am so sad when I hear of activist X or friend Y tell me about introducing a cognition – some stupid bit of ideology – into a family holiday/gathering.
the ideology force-feedings seemingly ignore the emotional ripples they create among the group/family around the holiday/gathering.
actually, the effect on the group is the whole objective of the “force-feeding”. Sibling A splits from Parent B. Offspring Q pisses off parental collective H, D, O, W, V, and E by enrolling at Oral Roberts, then comes home and says they’re all a bunch of perverts.
The result – wounds and sundered family bonds. And I see the geniuses – myself included – who pull these cultural skin sheds have the biological misfortune to do so when parents get in their fifties and above. (I’m really lucky – my family is long-lived and our bonds srong, but not all have such good fortune.)
I’ve been so saddened to sit in therapy or with friends and hear people recall how they wished they’d helped relative L to do their holiday thing, rather than endured or declined it. And now the relative is gone, and the loss forever.
Hope none of this applies to you and the grands, and the only constraint is an upcoming move so you and the grands can be closer to th ebig and little kids you clearly love.
Merry Christmas to you and all the grands.
That whole time is foreign to me.
Invasion seemed a foregone conclusion. I seemed like the only one who knew what a disaster it was. Well — the only one in the real world. You all knew. My family all knew. My whole damn liberal town knew. My whole school knew (my HS had a walk-out to protest some bombing-gone-bad in Afghanistan before Iraq was even a question. we were all watching).
But none of it was real. The talking heads and the newspapers all knew exactly what should happen and none of them were listening to reason. It was maddening, and as I look back, it was such a different world that I can’t even fit it into my own personal history. How do you learn from personal experiences that happened centuries ago and light years away? How is it ever any more than a history book?
Well, it’s died down and I suppose that I should get some amount of sleep tonight. Thanks for keeping me company and I’m sure that I’ll see you all next time! ::yawn::
Michael, it really truly WAS a different world, a world that the White House and their neocon cohorts in the media like Judy Miller (especially Judy) and the yapping heads like Bill OReilly and Brit Hume were the Kewl Kidz In Charge. Our country’s celebrity, infotainment, truthiness obsessions were an outgrowth of the Goebbels On Steroids efforts by Rove and his army of PR flacks to prime the pump with a long history of setting up the suckers for the knockout.
As the “Conservative Revolution” laid itself bare as a line of shit throughout the 90s I tried to get everyone I knew to turn on their bullshit detectors to no avail. I knew what would happen. I was shouted down. Those people who did the shouting down now apologize to me everytime they see me and acknowledge how wrong they were, but I don’t make them feel bad for it, I just tell them to keep their bullshit detectors on before falling for any line of crap from ANY politician, including some of the Dems like Lieberman.
Goodnight Dreaming Crow -
I’m glad you delurked!
And I hope each day becomes easier for your son – and you.
“I just tell them to keep their bullshit detectors on before falling for any line of crap from ANY politician, including some of the Dems like Lieberman.”
Good advice,and not saying there aren’t a number of Democrats who aren’t to be trusted, but when you get down to it, there really aren’t any other “Dems like Lieberman.”
He’s in a class by himself.
“My contempt for Joe Lieberman knows no bounds.” (Daily affirmation, inspired by punaise)
Kirk! I’ve been meaning to ask you what you make of 41’s emotional breakdown the other day. I’m betting on guilt that Jeb will never get to be President now that W’s done such damage to the family name.
neurophius @ 180
Excellent point, but I’ve been dealing with Evan Bayh since the late 80s. He just hasnt got up to the same speed as RGJoe. Give him some time.
Thanks, Kirk @175. In fairness to my daughter, I didn’t explain the background which is that little G is the only grandchild on either side of his family. Not only do all the grands lavish him with presents but so do all the aunts, uncles, and their cousins. You can barely get in the little guy’s bedroom for all the toys. {hangs head and blushes}
I think i shall get him more art supplies, and then spend lots of time cookie baking. In my family, thats the whole point of the holidays, the home-made cookies.
Holidays certainly bring all family sore spots to the surface. I also dislike force-feeding beliefs. Luckily for my extended family, once a critical mass had gone through treatment and/or 12-step groups, we became much more tolerant and loving toward each other.
I am always pleased to see you in the threads, such a wonderful blend of passion, compassion, and insight.
Persiflage @ 181
I think if you listen to the words he was speaking at the time he broke down you can tell it was all about W. 41 was talking about how Jeb “never did any whining” when he first broke down. The second time he was talking about how Jeb “bounced back from defeat in 1994″.
It’s pretty obvious he was thinking of how his idiot boy in the White House was doing all the whining and would never bounce back from the defeat in Iraq that is coming. Papa knows the world of shit we are all in, he’s more in the pocket of those aforementioned Saudi kings pulling all the pupper strings. He knows whats coming.
Fini FiniTOOBZ says:
“I’ve been dealing with Evan Bayh since the late 80s. He just hasnt got up to the same speed as RGJoe. Give him some time.”
I can remember when Birch Bayh was a nationally respected LIBERAL Democrat, who ran for president in 1976. How did his kid go so wrong?
neurophius @ 185
Evan Bayh was basically raised in Washington DC is what happened. He grew up in the 60s and 70s in DC which is when the Blue Dog types and conservative Republicans were taking hold of DC slowly but surely. He went to school with a lot of those conservatives you find scattered in the media-political establishment these days.
His ties to Indiana were tenuous at best before he came here to run for first, Secretary of State, followed by his two terms as Governor. Hoosiers love heritage candidates even if they are carpetbaggers, and Birch Bayh was the last popular liberal in Indiana so our union folks figured he was on their side and our conservatives liked his DC upbringing thinking it mellowed his liberal heritage (which it did).
OK, I gotta sleep, see you later folks.
hmm Bayh sounds like Senator Mark Pryor son of former Arkansas Gov/Sen David Pryor. He’s a Lieberman in southern shoes.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 184
What struck me about it was that here is a man who has spent a huge part of his life giving speeches and, regardless of what was going on in his private life, keeping his emotions in check. The other day he seemed incredibly fragile and overwhelmed. That’s a big change for a public figure. I know he has a lot of reasons to cry, I know I’ve shed tears over the Iraq debacle. I just wondered if perhaps he’s clinically depressed.
OT: I don’t know if it has been mentioned but Monday’s FDL chat with Joe Wilson got a nice write up at Hotline’s Blogometer today.
Lots more at the link. Nice work!
*yawns* I’m off to bed. Looking forward to nice long day off before work on saturday once more.
‘Night pups.
Redshift @ 74
In psychology/psychiatry, this is called “projection,” and it is one of the primary characteristics of the extreme right as we know it today.
Pachacutec posted a great piece on it:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-paranoia/
As did the beloved Therapod:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..tion-much/
To which I would add for great treatment of this subject, Richard Hofstader’s classic “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.” (h/t Bill Edinger):
http://www.amazon.com/Paranoid…..05-9374428
IMHO, identifying radical Republicans as “projectors,” even promoting the image of a film projector (see the graphic used in TRex’s post) as representing the typical rethug response to criticism of their policies would go a long way to accurately characterizing that party, in a way that would stay memorable in the public mind. (Basically, I’m stealing the idea behind the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress metaphor) :)
Jacqrat @ 190
Damn skippy!
And that’s a lovely note to end the day on. Good night everybody.
Persiflage @ 189
maybe 41 just woke up and went ‘what the fuck have I done?’
a little late to try and save his soul but it may work yet.
fartsinsleep @ 194
For the record, all Bush men can cry on demand. It’s a sympathy grab to distract the media at precisely a time when they’re homing in on some long overdue examination of what’s been going on.
These people don’t have any genuine feelings–they simply do what’s politically expedient. They are, in fact, monsters.
Probably the first of about ten arrests of top Republicans in Alaska, connected to the Veco influence peddling sting back in September:
Federal authorities arrested state Rep. Tom Anderson on Thursday afternoon on “public corruption” charges, the FBI said. Anderson was still in custody at the Anchorage Jail on Thursday night.
FBI spokesman Eric Gonzalez said further details would be available from the Department of Justice Friday with the release of the federal charging documents.
http://www.adn.com/front/story…..8881c.html
hey kids, howzabout we give the bitch kissinger’s nobel peace prize?
Good morning, pups. It’s actually below freezing here…. Today’s NYT columnists, from behind the firewall:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Thomas Friedman, “Set a Date and Buy Some Leverage.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Paul Krugman, “They Told You So.”
I hope this post doesn’t get buried and missed.
I corresponded with Shafer back in 2002, before the war, about Miller’s BS reporting. He had already begun skeptically examining Miller’s work in his Slate column back then.
What prompted me was this character Khidir Hamza, who was making the rounds on the usual shows, as well as being quoted extensively in the newspapers as an unimpeachable source on Iraq’s nuclear weapons program, which he claimed was fairly advanced, something we now know beyond a shadow of a doubt was a pure 100% lie.
But we didn’t know that back in 2002. He just LOOKEd like a liar. He was so damned eager and happy about it, like John Lovitz as the SNL Compulsive Liar character. “My girlfriend… Morgan Fairchild! Yeah… That’s the ticket!” And yet he was so light on actual technical information. I asked Shafer to look into Hamza.
Well, I turned out to be right, as it turns out. There is still a real story here, if somebody would pursue it. Just who the fuck IS Hamza, where did he come from, how did he get so much credibility on a subject he really didn’t appear to be that knowledgable about. And why did nobody question him???
And did somebody put him up to it? Warning us about Saddam seemed to be a full-time gig. Google or do a Lexis-Nexis on Khidir Hamza and see how extensively this guy was quoted.
Good Morning, Marion and the other early morning Firepups,
It’s clear and very cold here in central Jersey. The thermometer says 19–but the wind is strong, and the wind chill reports say it feels like single digits [it got up to 55 here yesterday–and waiting on the train platform this morning is going to be very unpleasant!].
The coffee’s brewing–French roast, good and strong. I’m making some herb biscuits–they’ll be out of the oven in just 10 minutes.
Marion, thanks for posting the links for the Times columnists every morning. But I have a question for Firedogs: does anyone still read Friedman? I stopped reading him ages ago. He’s been wrong every step of the way with the Iraq war, and now when I see his column I just think of Atrios and “Friedman Units,” and stop myself before reading. Krugman, however, is always good.
So who needs some coffee this cold, cold morning?
Work for peace, every day.
njprogressive,
Coffee here, please. I’m not usually up this early.
I like this post from Balkinization
“A Vote of No Confidence for Presidents in the American System.”
Firing up the new Tassimo machine for the princess this morning, I hope it works like the reviews say! It’s cold as as a well-digger’s ass in Alaska here in Athens.
raven,
Are you talking about the Athens in Ohio? (I hope i haven’t asked you this before!)
Nope, the Classic City, home of trex! Athens, GA.
Margot @ 203
Mornin’ All!
What’s the latest line on the Gator Bowl?
twolf1 @
205
Top O’ the Morning.
Can anyone translate Bob Brigham’s post from last night for me?
I’m looking for a youtube or wmf of arianna’s hardball appearance. I hear she handed McCain his ass on a platter. Good morning, all :)
Balrog @ 207
Shorter Bingham:
That’s what I got out of it anyway.
The ears are a 7 point favorite over those annoying bumble bees.
rumi @ 206
twolf1 @ 212
Well then, how’s life? :)
Balrog @ 211
I didn’t read through the comments yet :(
So some guy, whose name I didn’t catch, on Scarborough last night said that because I’m liberal, I’m suppose to read the NYT because it’s a ‘liberal paper.’ Boy do they have that wrong. He clearly has not been paying attention to what the Times has been printing lately. P.S. I don’t usually watch Joe, but I was busy cooking dinner and he was on after Keith Olbermann.
I’ll take strong coffee and bisquits, pleas, nj -
‘morning, all..
new thread
Morning, gang. Fresh thread, up and ready. And the coffee is hot…
raven @ 210
Thanks raven
I had to leave right after posting the question. I hate it when that happens. So far today we’re believing the motto that Mountaineers are always free, but maybe $12mil plus incentives/buyout could be enough to snag one.
Again, I will repeat THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE INTELLIGENCE GIVEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!
It was twisted and totally ignored by the Bush Cabal.
The Intel. provided said that Saddam did not have any weapons factories or WMD’s. It was the Bush Government which Lied to the Public and Congress about said Intel.
I’m pretty sure Miller knew exactly what she was doing from start to finish.
She knew she was printing Lies.
Her Editor/s knew they were printing Lies.
They all did it because they were either going to benefit from it, or, they were just to damm gutless to tell the Truth!
I still can’t believe that anyone, anyone at all, would even believe for one second that Saddam (or anyone else for that matter) would go to the trouble to Import Aluminium tubes from overseas to make WMD’s. I mean Jesus H. Christ give me a break…aluminuim tubes ???
How about a stick? or a piece of fucking wire?
Yes that’s right members of the UN, Saddam approached the Russian Mafia for a piece of wire!! A piece of wire to build Nuclear Bombs!!! AAahhhhhh we better invade real quick ’cause if he gets his hands on a piece of wire we’re all doomed!