
John in Sacramento reminded me of something yesterday in the comments. I have been meaning to talk about this Lakoff essay, but just haven't had time to get to it. But this week, as we have pondered the mess that is FEMA, the chaos in Iraq, and the failures of the rubber stamp Republican Congress to provide oversight of the White House or, even in truth, itself, the framing that Lakoff provides with regard to conservative philosophy ought to be examined more closely.
And it is this portion of the essay that hits the nail right on the frame:
Perhaps the biggest irony of the Bush-is-incompetent frame is that these "failures" — Iraq, Katrina and the budget deficit — have been successes in terms of advancing the conservative agenda.
One of the goals of Conservatives is to keep people from relying on the federal government. Under Bush, FEMA was reorganized to no longer be a first responder in major natural disasters, but to provide support for local agencies. This led to the disastrous response to Hurricane Katrina. Now citizens, as well as local and state governments, have become distrustful of the federal government's capacity to help ordinary citizens. Though Bush's popularity may have suffered, enhancing the perception of federal government as inept turned out to be a conservative victory.
Conservatives also strive to get rid of protective agencies and social programs. The deficit Bush created through irresponsible tax cuts and a costly war in Iraq will require drastic budget cuts to remedy. Those cuts, conservatives know, won't come from military spending, particularly when they raise the constant specter of war. Instead, the cuts will be from what Conservatives have begun to call "non-military, discretionary spending;" that is, the programs that contribute to the common good like the FDA, EPA, FCC, FEMA, OSHA and the NLRB. Yet another success for the conservative agenda. Both Iraq and Katrina have enriched the coffers of the conservative corporate elite, thus further advancing the conservative agenda.
Halliburton, Lockhead Martin and US oil companies have enjoyed huge profit margins in the last six years. Taking Iraq's oil production off-line in the face of rising international demand meant prices would rise, making the oil inventories of Exxon and other firms that much more valuable, leading to record profits. The destruction wrought by Katrina and Iraq meant billions in reconstruction contracts. The war in Iraq (and the war in Afghanistan) meant billions in military equipment contracts. Was there any doubt where those contracts would go? Chalk up another success for Bush's conservative agenda.
Bush also used Katrina as an opportunity to suspend the environmental and labor protection laws that Conservatives despise so much. In the wake of Katrina, environmental standards for oil refineries were temporarily suspended to increase production. Labor laws are being thwarted to drive down the cost of reconstruction efforts. So, amidst these "disasters," Conservatives win again.
Where most Americans see failure in Iraq — George Miller recently called Iraq a "blunder of historic proportions" — conservative militarists are seeing many successes. Conservatives stress the importance of our military — our national pride and worth is expressed through its power and influence. Permanent bases are being constructed as planned in Iraq, and America has shown the rest of the world that we can and will preemptively strike with little provocation. They succeeded in a mobilization of our military forces based on ideological pretenses to impact foreign policy. The war has struck fear in other nations with a hostile show of American power. The conservatives have succeeded in strengthening what they perceive to be the locus of the national interest — military power.
This is the foundation on which conversations about the Bush Administration and the Republican-controlled Congress ought to rest — and ought to have rested all along — in terms of understanding and, especially, in terms of attacking it at the root.
And it is in that context that I refer back to a post that Digby did back in 2004, during the throes of the last Presidential election, discussing doing the framing properly — in the context of a prior Lakoff frame regarding the question of national security considerations in the Bush v. Kerry context:
From a tactical communications standpoint, it is very important for the left to acknowledge that Lakoff is telling us that our current method of framing ourselves is as flawed as the way the other side frames us. (Indeed, I’ve just argued that the master himself has made a major error.) But, even if I agreed with his framework, it would still not be useful to merely parrot it and assume that it is a good tactical framework merely because Lakoff himself is a progressive. The point of all this is to frame issues in such a way as to persuade the undecideds and apathetic and at least some members of the opposition to agree with our side of the argument. That means we have to stop preaching to the choir all the time.
And framing alone is not enough. We also have to take into account certain realities about how people arrive at political decisions these days. It’s my observation that they rely on simplistic symbolism and image more than they have in the past, mostly because of the pervasiveness of the shallow celebrity culture and television's position as the epicenter of the American community. (I’ll elaborate on that in a later post.)
As Lakoff says in the article:
In the strict father model, the big thing is discipline and moral authority, and punishment for those who do something wrong. That comes out very clearly in the Bush administration's foreign and domestic policy. With Schwarzenegger, it's in his movies: most of the characters that he plays exemplify that moral system. He didn't have to say a word! He just had to stand up there, and he represents Mr. Discipline. He knows what's right and wrong, and he's going to take it to the people. He's not going to ask permission, or have a discussion, he's going to do what needs to be done, using force and authority. His very persona represents what conservatives are about.
I think this is right on the money. Schwarzenegger’s campaign rested solely on his scripted action-hero persona. In fact, this may be the first election in which all pretense of substance was completely abandoned in favor of purely manufactured Hollywood symbolism. The “crisis” that precipitated the recall wasn’t real, the ensuing voter “anger” wasn’t real and the winning candidate wasn’t real. The entire narrative was scripted as a loose form reality TV show in which the drama was pushed and prodded by the “producers” even though the outcome wasn’t preordained. It was “real” in the same way that “Survivor” is real.
As Lakoff rightly points out, this stuff is important and the Democrats are just not getting with the program. The other side is doing it with a tremendous amount of sophistication and almost unlimited financial backing. California is the most populated state in the nation and if it can happen here, a Democratic state, it can happen nationally. In fact, in many ways, election 2000 was an early version.
Meanwhile, many on our side seem to believe that there is something distasteful about framing issues and using symbolism and metaphor to win elections as if being unable to govern honestly is the natural consequence of using these communication techniques. This is wrong. (emphasis mine)
If I could, I would make certain that every Democratic official read Digby every day. This is so spot on. One only need look to the Reagan era as to how important the symbolism and the framing could be in terms of overlay with the actual substantive discussions that are also needed. No one is suggesting that the illusory replace the substantive. But it is worth understanding in this age of ADD and TIVO-ing to get through commercial breaks that much more quickly that the American attention span is limited.
And, as a result, any messaging that is done using only part of the tools at our fingertips is a lost opportunity. It would be stupid to say otherwise, frankly, and Democrats — from elected officials through to the talking heads who claim to speak for them (and us) in the punditry need to wake up and realize that in this age of sound bites, every idiotic thing that dribbles out of their mouths, every bad hair day, every poor wardrobe choice, every missed opportunity to tell the story as we want it to be told is just a moment which fumbles the ball into the hands of the other side. We cannot afford to make those sorts of errors any longer — the Wurlitzer has been working this since the days of Reagan, and it is past time that we caught up to modern communications 101.
Which leads me to a recent news conference that Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi gave and a particular response of hers to a reporter question which I thought deserved a read:
Q: Madame Speaker, a two-parter. One, do you support the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group – all of the recommendations? And can you respond to the study group's recommendation — especially your former colleague, Leon Panetta — that this going forward has to be a strong bipartisan effort? Is that possible when your colleague, Senator Reid, has already promised vigorous oversight, including going back into pre -war intelligence issues at the outset of the new Congress?
Ms. Pelosi. I think that it's not only possible, it is absolutely necessary for Congress to exercise its oversight over the executive branch. It is our constitutional responsibility and when our men and women are in harm's way, that responsibility is heightened.
I haven't read the entire Iraq Study Group report. We just received the book this morning. But it was interesting to me that they did support a recommendation from Democrats in the House and the Senate. We've written to the President on more than one occasion to say the mission in Iraq must be changed from combat to training. And that's one of the first recommendations of the group. That would then lead to a responsible redeployment of our troops out of Iraq. Certainly, their initiatives on diplomacy are ones that we advocated in our letters to the President as well, to give some responsibility to reach out in a diplomatic way to countries in the region and beyond, to build more stability in Iraq.
I have to read the entire book to get down to the details, but I liked how they began. They began by saying we must transition our troops out of Iraq. We begin by changing the mission. Democrats have been saying that all along.
The bipartisanship is essential. Senator Reid has called for House and Senate, Democrats and Republicans, to come together to consider the Iraq Study Group's proposal as well as other positive ideas that are out there about how we end the war in Iraq, bring our troops home safely and soon. One of the provisions they presented was changing the atmosphere domestically within Iraq and saying that if the Iraqi government does not live up to certain standards, that our support would be reduced. And we certainly subscribe to that.
But, again, we have to read the whole book. It's one of many of several, thoughtful proposals, that are put out there.
I joined the President in supporting the effort, and I'll look forward to seeing how they support us back in a bipartisan communication with the President from the Congress on Iraq. First and foremost, I salute the Iraq Study Group, for agreeing that the present Bush policy in Iraq has been a failure. And then everything sprang from that.
I think this is an excellent example of framing the argument about President Bush and the ISG with respect to the Democratic approach on this — and staying on message as to where the fault ought to be apportioned for this mess on the doorstep of the Bush Administration and the Republicans who have failed, for years now, to provide appropriate oversight. I think this was very well done, but I'd love to hear what you all think. Frankly, having a Democratic leader stay on message and throw in a pointed jab with a smile on her face is such a welcome change, I'm just happy to be able to share it.
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Esten!
Uncle Sam, meet Grover’s bathtub.
-GSD
GSD, you paint a scary picture! What up Firedoggies?
fitz!
Folks the Esten thread is still going and contributions for his leukemia treatment are still welcome.
It’s that bit about getting people not to rely on the gov’t that raises my aging hackles. And it is why I so despise the blue dog dems, besides being an affront to decent dogs everywhere.
When it comes to a choice between social needs and business interests, they will go with the chamber of commerce crowd.
Bastards (and bitches).
Having dealt with symbol and image in my doctoral work, I want to take exception – slightly – to one element of Digby’s analysis:
Yes, we’ve got a shallow celebrity culture, and yes TV is at the center of the American community, but symbol and image are hardly simplistic.
Symbol and image, like their cousins metaphor and simile, are strong, not weak. That’s why Homer is widely remembered while most of the ancient philosophers are not. In an increasingly complex world, people are looking for ways to understand it – and that’s where symbol and image are strongest. And it’s not new. Check out the history of political cartooning some time, or the colonial pamphleteers.
Of course, if you choose poor symbols, or take good images and use them poorly or to bad ends, then yes, you’ve got manipulation and excess and all the nonsense that we attach to “celebrity culture.”
Good on Hamilton for urging robust oversight, and calling the Congress out for not doing its damn job.
OT (momentarily delurking)
Saw this bumper sticker yesterday:
Cheney/Satan ‘08
-gave me a good laugh
Peterr at 6 — I think to get the context of Digby’s comment there, you need to read the entire essay. It was a bit long, and I snipped the portion that was pertinent to where I was going. But Digby was referring to the bumbling of various Democratic spokespeople who were underusing and misusing symbolism in the 2004 election cycle — and misusing Lakoff’s framing which is referred to in the essay. I’ve probably done Digby a disservice by quoting only a snippet here, but I couldn’t figure out any other way to do this without it being a multi-parter. *g*
Great post Christy. Context for us is so important, and Lakoff illustrates very well how Bush’s incompetence feeds the conservative storyline. Good to see the D’s beginning to embrace this.
The “govt is inept” frame you describe above, Christy, is a powerful one. On the other hand, the frame lots of folks seemed to be using in November was “the GOP is inept/corrupt/etc.”
There’s a big difference between those two frames. Sorry, Grover, I don’t think yours is selling all that well.
When do Bush and Blair hold their press conference?
heh, here y’all are! I was down there and missed the heads up for the new thread.
epu’d
any minute now, ET.
Surprise, surprise, surprise!: Ehud Olmert doesn’t like the ISG report.
I won’t call this OT, because I think it speaks to Christy’s point: a Middle East in chaos is exactly what the neocons really wanted. A Middle East in chaos means that the only way any order can flow is from outside the region and/or through those good buddies of the U.S. and the oil industry, Saudi Arabia and Israel. It’s kind of like the “If I can’t have her, nobody will” thinking of the stereotypical stalker ex-boyfriend, and it speaks equally to the obsessive need to control that characterizes the real antagonists in this scenario. You know, authoritarian American reactionaries, authoritarian Israeli reactionaries, authoritarian Saudi reactionaries…the common theme that unites the People of the Book is simply authoritarian reactionism.
Where most Americans see failure in Iraq . . . conservative militarists are seeing many successes.
This is such an important point, because everyone still plays along that they are “governing” when actually what they are doing is “looting”. It is just hard for people to get their heads around the idea that Bush has redefined the role of his office to be basically the opposite of what it was intended to be.
Chimpy and Poodle up now on CNN
I also meant to say that the Book Salon discussion that we had with Bill Scher hit this right on as well — with the “effective versus ineffective” framing on governmental analysis. I think this is a much better way to look at things than “all government is bad,” which I know, having served as an assistant prosecutor as a governmental employee that government can be very good when it is effectively put into action.
Ed*ard Teller @ 12
MSNBC’s Tim Russett is commenting at this moment and Bush & Blair are starting their news conference, Bush looks awful.
Ed*ard Teller @ 12
thought it was supposed to be 10:55… don’t know what happened… maybe slight delay?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
I’ll read the whole thing a bit later . . . Right now The Kid is being eloquent in his use of the English language to inquire about the absence of pancakes on his plate, and to request that the powers-that-be deal with the situation. *g*
Peterr @ 6
I’ll have to disagree, but only in emphasis. Symbols and other forms of idea are actually pretty weak in and of themselves. After all, any idiot can have an idea, even if it’s a bad one, and many can make at least a polemic case. What is strong is control of the materialization of symbols, and that is where state propaganda and commercial culture enter into it. This is related, but not identical, to the old saw about the medium being the message–it is the economic control of the manifestations of symbols, not the symbols themselves, that provides the means of ideological control.
twolf1 @ 16
if christy doesn’t mind, live blogging would be greatly appreciated (i don’t have cnn)
Chimp on cspan, msnbc, cnn, fux news, CBS & Fox broadcast
selise at 22 — please — anyone watching the presser, feel free to chime in — I’ve got an ear on the Armed Services hearing.
oohh. happy days. cbs is carrying dear leader’s presser.
chimp – 1st use of ‘foment’ in this speech – 11:08 AM eastern
chimp – 2nd use of ‘foment’ – 11:09 AM eastern
twolf1 at 26 — whoever got him that word of the day calendar at the White House needs to be smacked…
EvilDrPuma @
14
Amen. I posted this at latenight fdl last night after all of you were long asleep:
Terry Gross interviewed Noa Sattath, an Israeli gay rights activist, who has organized the Jerusalem Gay Pride events over recent years. Terry interviewed her on Fresh Air: I transcribed it myself…
Terry Gross: I’ve noticed just reading the newspapers that opposition to your gay pride parades is the only thing that’s effectively united Orthodox Jews with Orthodox Muslims as well as Christians. United them in opposition to your marches, and I wonder how that makes you feel, knowing the impossibility of finding unity, and this is what they’ve found unity on?
Noa Sattath: Well, I’m very much in favor of them finding unity, so I’m hopeful that once they’ve found this ridiculous issue to unite over, they might find other issues, but seriously speaking, I’m very disappointed that these respectable religious leaders can only unite over hate, when there are so many other important issues in our area.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Honestly. Der Shrubbenfuhrer can barely internalize one word a month. What a waste of money.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Have you noticed that everyone on capitol hill is using it now?
twolf1 @ 31
@#!*%! Rove and his email list.
chimpy on CNN – we r facing a threat to civilization
same shite different speech
-defeat the extremists ideologies
-spread freedom in the ME like butter on toast (freedom butter?)
-talking about Pearl Harbor now and, i assume, will b making comparisons to current situation.
I even used it yesterday, but I actually have used it for years and as I wrote it I felt a little ill…..
Committee hearing is finished. Hamilton and Levin had a little chat at the end up at the desk — wonder if we’ll be hearing more in January when Levin takes over the committee?
I’ve switched over to the Bush/Blair presser. Bush looks crabby — and they have too much pancake makeup on him this morning. Wonder if his usual make-up person is on vacation or something? (Although, truthfully, Blair looks similarly pancaked. Maybe its the lighting…)
chimpy on CNN – “extremisssssstsss”
twolf1 @ 33
See, this is the problem. Some people like jam on their toast. Some like peanut butter. Why should freedom be just one thing? I can believe this ain’t butter.
Junya’s read on the ISG Report: Where’s mah pony? Don’t ah get a pony?
Blair thanks boosh for his clarity.
What kind of tea has he been drinking?
blair on CNN – thank you chimpy for being the coolest most bestest dude in the whole wide world
-”i believe this is a mission we have to succeed in” (didn’t he see the banner?)
angie at 39 — the kind with v*lium in it?
Chimpys’ fomenting at the mouth.
-GSD
twolf1 @ 33
Oops. I was on the wrong thread. I can’t believe Chimpy goes on with the same old, same old after that blast from Baker. Still going on pretending he & Blair are both Churchill.
blair on CNN – must support malaki gov’t
-do everything we can to bring about peace for israel/palestine
-thanks bush for his tremendous effort in that department
Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
heh
I was thinking more along the lines of psy**edelics.
twolf1 @ 44
That’s not v*lium in that tea, Christy. It’s LSD.
Ooooh — we’re getting some snow today. Lovely! (Is nice to be inside with warm coffee and a working heater. *g*)
Freedom is on the march……and it is marching OUT of the middle east at a rapid pace.
Heckuva job nitwits.
-GSD
Blair: Two roads only for ME religious dictatorship v. secular democracy.
Jeez how many countries in w. Europe are not all that secular I wonder.
blair on CNN – only realistic path to security is by the spread of liberty. (now it’s liberty butter?)
–question time–
do u acknowledge the baker/hamilton reports idea that your way is failing.
chimp – i have asked the pentagon to draft a way forward
chimp – the only thing that isg report did was to show that Dems and Goops can work together
question to bush – do you acknowledge that your policy has failed, as the baker/hamilton report suggests?
a reporter with a spine?
Dinkweed(Bush), Republicans and Democrats worked together to start this inane war.
-GSD
chimp on cnn – report did a good job on showing what is possible. congress wont accept every recommendation of isg report, neither will the administration
FU Bush
twolf1 @ 44
What?!! Chimpy bringing effort to israel/palestine. No, No no. It’s not v*lium Blair is on. It’s some sort of drug that causes delusions.
Chimpy believes a Shia dictatorship can cause stability. Is that it?
chimp on cnn – idea of having an international group is an ‘interesting idea’
(I hate this man)
Congress doesn’t have to accept them, HE does.
He’s the only one to blame if he rejects them.
fomenter in chief fomenting at the mouth.
blah blah blah blah freedom blah blah bipartisan blah victory blah blah responsibilities blah terrorism. terra terra terra.
twolf1 @ 52
At least he’s consistent. A consistent fuckup and failure.
chimp on CNN – is in full i’m-talking-down-to-you mode
bush is making one thing clear – he hasn’t read the isg report (disclaimer – i’ve only read parts of it).
angie @ 54
Okay, then. Let’s get started blaming him.
twolf1 @ 54
We’ll see how that goes. Congress got a smackdown from Baker.
chimp on CNN – I’m still the f*#king Decider! and don’t you forget it!!
Bush IS incompetent- it isn’t a “frame” WHATEVER THAT IS.
I have two reactions to this discussion:
1) If dems pay more attention to substance and less attention to STYLE- they’ll be LOTS better off.
2) Success is all about timing.. The messages that won in 2006 wouldn’t have won in 2004-when the war was still young and hopeful and when 9/11 was fresh in the rear view mirror.
It is a HUGE mistake to spin the “permanent principles of politics” after the most recent defeat or victory- you’ll end up with a strategy that is like stale bread- and basing what you do on the perceived strengths of your opponent is a losing approach- what do you do after you beat him and he looks more like a pathetic mouseturd than a dominating titan?
Sure it’s a good idea to make sure that you are packaging your message in a way that it will be received well- but if you start confusing the packaging with the message- yer in deep doo-doo (in my opinion).
Congress has got to yank the expired auth for use of force like Byrd said…
The Brits hated Churchill before the war- then they LOVED him during the war- after the war they hated him again…
The demand for the macho hero has a very short shelf life.
First question to Bush set off another of his incoherent babble-fest with poorly disguised contempt. I almost feel sorry for Tony Blair.
twolf1 @ 61
If he’s talking to Bush, I don’t think he has any other choice.
blair on cnn – blah blah blah i haven’t finished licking the peanut butter from chimpy’s nether regions blah blah blah
Ladies and gentlemen, The Fomenting Decider.
-GSD
rw at 64 — that was the point of the two paragraphs under the Digby piece — maybe I wasn’t clear there, but the substance is the basis, but the framing and the messaging is the means by which the substance gets across more effectively to a wider swath of the public. The framing makes it stick. But if the substance is useless, no amount of framing is going to take it anywhere.
Am tired this morning, so perhaps that isn’t coming across as clearly as I might like it to do so…
newspaperbrat @ 66
I don’t. If Blair wants to guarantee that he’ll be forever remembered in British history as a slavish enabler to a foreign warmonger, that’s his choice to make. Looks like he’s made it.
Peterr @ 67
sorry Peterr, i originally, and mistakenly had blair’s name but edited it to say ‘Bush on CNN’
Blair all hissy on the issue of Iran. He sees himself and Chimpy as being “tough” getting countries to live up to their “responsibilites.” (And he and Chimp are responsible?)
Blair: we have the right “vision.” with the right amount of “realism.”
Pony Blair is teaching us about the “modern forms of realism”…yesss, yesssss preciousssss
Brit reporter accuses chimp of being in denial
Chimp: it’s bad in Iraq. heh heh heh
(i really hope that question and answer is caught on tape somewhere!)
Uh oh — a British reporter just questioned his author-i-tay.
chimp on CNN – i understand how hard it is. i talk to the families of those that died. i understand the sectarian violence…. i understand (now mad) but we will succeed.
I wish to hell someone would just ask him to quantify his objectives.
chimp on CNN – chimpy mad, history will prove… A threat overseas can now come home to hurt us.
(that’s not saying much for his DHS)
Hey Decider, those historians are calling you the worst president ever right now. Why do you want to know what they are going to think in the future.
-GSD
Redd- Oh I probably read it quickly and flew off the handle..What I wrote may have had nothing to do with what you were saying- but I felt a need to write it.
Glorfindel @ 74
Steve Bell will have a hard time deciding what most needs to be mocked in this conference.
fomenting chimp spewing lunacy, loudly
Bush: “failure is to quit.” (Like his Brain?)
“This is an ideological struggle.” (Forces of good and evil. *star wars theme playing*.)
“We will prevail.” (in the war on “terra”.)
Brit reporter kicking a**!
Don’t you agree that what Israel/Arab problem needs is real commitment from an American admin, not another visit from a British PM?
Kerpow!
Blair is playing Chamberlain to Bush’s……..
-GSD
My God, I just heard Bush’s remarks and
he hasn’t changed a bit…
Impeach is the only way… he is a fucking fool.
Jack
Blair: “you just carry on” . . . “if you do it will carry a symbol of massive er uh symbolic power(?)”
chimp on CNN – when do u hope to announce the strategy mr bush?
chimp – when I get the reportS.
bush has no intention of reading the ISG Report
omg, boosh just called the british reporter a lad.
Blair said you’ve made a fan, it’s been a very long time since someone called him that.
what an complete a** and bully– he called Webb’s son a boy, too.
chimp on CNN – we will be spending a lot of time considering the new course. (meanwhile many people are dying)
Total incoherent Bush on ISG, and Israel/Palestine, and Condi.
Politics is a classic venue for the ol Hockey analogy–”You’d better be skating to where the puck is GOING- not to where it IS.” If you’re still fighting last year’s election- yer gonna lose.
Bush knows damn well what’s in the ISG, he’s just playing possum, hoping that the whole thing will “blow over”.
He still thinks we can succeed…
How did an idiot become Prez?
Ranting and raving, he’s lost it..
I knew 79 recommendations were about 78 too many for Georgie-the-non-reader….
rwcole @ 97
Old time hockey!
twolf1 @ 90
Doesn’t surprise me. Denial and meltdown are the only two options for a narcissist facing a pimp slap. He’s trying denial, but in time he may have nothing left but meltdown.
Bush on Iran. Contrary to what Chimpy says, Baker said they were willing to talk.
The framing relative to healthcare includes:
Substituting faith-based dogma for science (affects the CDC and the FDA)
Criminalizing the mentally ill and providing over 50% of all inpatient mental health care in prisons
Describing job growth in the penal system a positive economic marker (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any Western society)
chimp on CNN – still no iran talks unless they say they stop nookulur stuff
The Sonora government? Since when has Syria been involved in Mexico?
All Clusterfuck is tryin to do today is:
1) Show up on yer TeeVee again- so that he can prove that he’s not limpin an quackin.
2) Show that Tony still loves him and that all them other things Tony was sayin about him bein a bloomin idiot were just the liberal media havin a nose bleed.
He doesn’t really give a shit what gets said beyond that.
This is incredibly embarrassing. The one thing in my mind: Bush is a total failure.
Israel/Palestine again from another British reporter.
mui @ 105
Yeah, Bush makes Blair look good
mui @ 101
Iran’s been *begging* to talk. Idiot-Boy says “after you’ve given into every one of my demands, then we’ll talk about our differences.”
(insert logic somewhere)(?)
chimp on CNN – “democracy is a defeat for them… I strongly believe that”
“I’m getting older so you’ll have to repeat the second question”? Would someone just wrap this fool in wet sheets and cart him off the world stage?
Today would be a good day for that long-awaited public meltdown. Come on, George, you know you want to.
I think Israel doesn’t like any Arab democracies and is more than willing to attack one whenever they rear their head.
-GSD
I really, really despise him.
Blames Hizbollah for Palestine/Israel failure.
newspaperbrat @ 110
too bad he was only asked a one part question. blair got the multi part question.
I hope Baker and Hamilton see this presser.
Then they can say to themselves… He DOES NOT
GET IT.
Bush is a lightweight, always was, always will be, and he is an arrogant person. This presser is a repeat of every press conference he has given… hard work?
Impeach!
Jack
twolf1 @ 114
Snort! They know their targets well.
There are three options on the table with Iraq:
1) Keep fighting until the Iraqis figure out how ta get SOME kind of govt. that is capable of controlling the country (Saddam- are ya still available?)
2) Get the fuck out now- and damn the consequences–if the Iraqis all kill each other- well that’s just collateral damage- and we couldn’t have stopped it anyway..(this one’s risky for anyone who actually oversees it’s implementation- cause the genocide will reach TeeVee screens and make people puke)
3) Get the fuck out SLOWLY- while pretending that we’re still fighting- say two years- just in time for the next elections- strangely enough.. It’s withdrawal lite- and it’s what the ISG is advocating..
Here’s the real trouble–EVERYONE hates all three options- and there aren’t any others.
angie @ 116
He didn’t blame Clinton? I thought that was the meta-frame . . .
jayt @ 111
What a bully boy!
is there such thing as a citizen’s impeachment? like citizen’s arrest?
Bay State Librul @ 117
the entire world is watching, including Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, etc. and they get to see the very same thing.
argh.
twolf1 @ 120
We wish.
KO will have another opportunity to
frame an idiot…
He is an embarassment.
He seems more defiant today..
Jack
Ed*ard Teller @ 29
I met Noa a year ago. She is articulate and wise and brave. Jerusalem Open House works with LGBT Palestinians and tries to reflect the presence of both peoples equitably.
She herself is the constant target of threats. At a Pride march she organized a year or two ago, one of the marchers was knifed. After he was bandaged, he returned to speak to the assembled crowd.
I was so impressed.
Pony’s talkin in circles now. Guess it’s catchin’.
If we could all just agree beforehand there would be no need for negotiations.
What a pack of dildos.
-GSD
chimpy didnt read the ISG Report
Mr. Bush, could you just break down and start sobbing like your Daddy and then we can move to have you replaced by a fucking stump.
-GSD
boosh says to show you how important this report is, i read it and blair read it.
LIAR.
chimp on CNN – I call it a very important report. it’s a new way forward in eyerack.
I guess he read the title
bush claims he read the isg report? i don’t beleive it.
Wouldn’t it be great to have a citizens’ tv where our comments could show up in real time across the screen while Blair/Bush talk?
chimp on CNN – question to chimp – are u capable of changing course?
chimp – u will have to pay attention to my upcoming speech
another brit reporter slams the chimp– are you capable of admitting your mistakes?
twolf1 and angie – you both must think and type at about 5x my speed!
“Are you capable of admitting your failures in the past? Or, more importantly, are you capable of changing course?” Please let the American reporters in the audience be taking notes from the Brits…
mui @ 132
Live blogging, MST3K style. That’s a concept.
mui @ 133
Depends.
Can rwc still call him Clusterfuck?
Alison @
127
Noa talks about that in the interview. I was impressed too. Here’s a link to the audio:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=6586540
chimp on CNN – we’ll continue after al qaeda… (like you did OBL?)
Baker planted land mines on Clusterfuck’s dance floor- watch where ya put them feet Clusterfuck! If you REJECT the best thinking of a nonpartisan group- and the dems come in and say “looks good ta me”- then yer SO FUCKED!! You become the EXTREMIST idiot (that of course you are).
Thirty US KIA for the first seven days of December. I think that increasing American casualties will now drive the politics. The problem is that the politics are in uncharted waters. We have never before had a President who is a psychopath.
Ut Oh – The LA Times reporter’s questions seem to have ushered in new facial tics and ooooh Smirk looks like he might be in freak out meltdown. He needs new meds.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 136
Meeeeeeelt-dowwwwwwwn…Meeeeeeelt-dowwwwwwwn…
OMG, he still thinks he’s the only one here who matters. All this talk of I,I,I reminds me of a song I learned as a child:
I, I, I, I. Sing, banish Georgie.
His puffy eyes and his stammering
Bring my heart heavenly gladness.
EvilDrPuma @ 140
I’ve always wanted a station to do that, with stewart, colbert, lewis black and dave chappelle
boosh’s answer: I am disappointed in the pace of success.
Chimpster sez: I am dissapointed that the comic book version of this war didn’t pan out so well.
-GSD
re: mst3k – bill maher too
This is one of the most bizarre Presidential press conferences I can remember seeing. i’ve been watching them since Ike was standing at that podium.
Back when Bush was first running for President I seem to recall his being quoted as saying “I can’t read.” Does anyone remember this? I think he cannot and does not read. In his case, what’s it to him, he isn’t interested anyway. Any references to his reading this or that are staging. The ISG report is one more thing he isn’t going to read. He can’t tailor his comments to any given document, he just utters (the usual) stuff to get past the moment
– a lifelong coping device, combined at times with lines fed to him by others. He can’t ‘change course’ as it would mean changing his coping devices, which is too hard to do.
Just a thought.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 139
Bush has to use the same prepared answer no matter what the question is
Yuk it up…Mr. 30 dead US troops this month….Yuk it up….
-GSD
jayt @ 141
That goes without saying.
presser over…. finally, that was hard to watch
“disappointed in the pace of success”
Did he really say that? Now THAT’S what ya call “framing” I guess- what a collosal idiot!
my God that was painful. I need a drink. (on the wagon for over a decade)
rwcole @ 144
Yoohaah. Boy, do Chimp and Poodle look unprepared.
Bush looks crabby — and they have too much pancake makeup on him this morning.
He’s having a pancake attack.
So, there you have it – an excellent example of unsuccessful conservative framing. Now CNN’s pundits will explain to us that what we just saw was another example of Bush doing his “hard work.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 139
Did anyone catch the name of the reporter, by chance?
such pressers must fill America’s antagonists with fear and trepidation……….not.
The ISG report is getting panned this morning in many places..
So I’m goin to support it.
It’s kind of a piece of shit and it’s a compromise- but it’s the best (only?) politically viable way out of this thing that I can see..Some will say it’s “surrender” and of course it is- but it DOES give the Iraqis two more years ta get their shit together- and starts moving troops out within a year.
angie @ 132:
boosh says to show you how important this report is, i read it and blair read it.
Blair might have, but I heard the ‘executive summary’ was seven pages, and Shrub won’t – or can’t – read that long a report.
@#$%^&* lying SOB. He’s going to try and blow it off, even though it’s already a weak set of recommendations.
newspaperbrat @ 146
I agree with another’s assesment. Wrap him in wet rags and cart him off the stage.
PeteCO at 162 — I didn’t — but it was someone from IDT. That I did catch…
PeteCO @ 164
I didn’t catch the name, but I think he said he was from ITV
HI everyone,
Just coming on from the sunny left coast here.
Two points that have been bothering me with all this Iraq report stuff. 1) Before the election everyone said chaos starts in 3 to 6 months and we must get out. Now Baker et al are talking 2008. Is this just to line more pockets? And save the GOP ass before the election? What about the Chaos!!
2) Who are we fighting? And who are they talking about training? Police/ Military for whom? Are we going to back the Sunnis to kill Shia or the Shia to kill Sunnis?
Just thought I’d ask as you people as you are the only ones I know with brains.
Ed*ard Teller @ 163
Well, at least Keith Obermann has better ratings and heaven knows we can at least count on him for better framing of the worst president EVER!
Did they let Dave Gregory ask a question or
was he embargoed?
Jack
OT: Now here’s something you don’t read every day.
Kind of makes you wonder if God has something to say to the Poodle, doesn’t it?
Democrats — from elected officials through to the talking heads who claim to speak for them (and us) in the punditry need to wake up
I don’t watch the analysts / commentators on the tee vee, but from what I read here and elsewhere it doesn’t seem that we are evenly remotely well-represented by the chatterati. Those folks that the Wurlitzer deems worthy of speaking on our behalf generally miss the mark, and by a wide margin, no? I mean, come on: Donna Brazile, Joe Klein, James Carville and Co….
I didn’t catch the name, but I think he said he was from ITV
Well then I propose a straight-up swap. ITV reporters for FauxNews reporters.
‘Course we’ll have to throw in some cash and several high draft choices….
GSD @ 156
The only numbers that matter to Bush are the number of his relatives serving (that’s zero) and how much the family trust funds grow from his policies (that’s huge).
Topan
My opinion is that the Baker group knows that this thing is over- chalk it up with a big “L”- but they also know that Clusterfuck can and will stick it out for the next two years. Their role is purely political- to find a way to make the aknowledgement of defeat palatable–that’s what it’s all about.
I bet you anything that Poppy just collapsed in a puddle of agonal tears…
babs is throwing things..
laura is placidly smiling while showing off her decorated tree with sedatives flowing thru her veins.
Is Bush’s popularity below 30 yet?
I can’t watch anymore…
We need a REAL coup d’etat.
Jack
angie @ 179
And don’t forget her $9600 Christmas dress?
Jack
pun–how bout Katrina Van Dehooval- and Russ Fiengold?
We are- of course- a minority- so it’s no surprise that we don’t have the majority of the representation.
rwcole @ 178
I agree But what about the DEMS is this cover to say “they took our recomendations and we couldn’t do anything for 2 more years. I hope not.
Bush:
We will stay the course until the insurgents stage a catasrophic attack killing hundreds if not thousands of US troops.
Then in the frenzied aftermath we will beat a hasty retreat and leave the nation to the warring jackals.
I will then blame the media and the Democrats.
-GSD
Jack– she’s wearing her poodle skirt with the red and green petticoats today…
Bay State Librul @ 181
Is this the dress?
So are they burying Litvinenko in a lead-lined casket?
OT – 7 EMPLOYEES AT LONDONS’ MILLENIUM HOTEL HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR ‘LOW LEVELS’ OF POLONIUM-210, BRITISH HEALTH OFFICIALS SAY
sorry for the all caps, didn’t want to retype it
Draft Feingold and Olberman for ‘08…
Jack
Bay–Not yet BUT “tick tick tick”
Go ahead and blame Hezbollah for the Israel/Palestine problem (nitwit). They were the only ones there to pick up the pieces in Southern Lebanon after the carpet bombing. You know where to find them too, they are one million strong today outside the Lebanese Parliament. Drop some guided munitions on them, clusterfuck.
I agree that Grover is pretty happy as he drags the government down the hall to the bathtub hoping he doesn’t get called in to testify under oath.
However this ISG thing shows that somebody isn’t happy. That somebody is the War Machine, who is worried about waging wars, lucrative government contracts, selling arms to other countries in the future.
angie @ 179
Poppy’s clutching his throat. babs is smiling proudly. Laura is definitely showing the X-mas tree tranked out.
I’m still upset I missed the Baker/Lieberman smack down.
twolf1 @ 186
That’s it. She’s no Jackie O..
Jack
Topan- well the report suggests doing SEVERAL things soon-
Changing the role of US troops
Engaging in diplomacy
Beginning a withdrawal in about a year..
If ya think about it- that’s about as fast as “getting out” is gonna happen anyway.
Poor Clusterfuck Sr.
Reminds me of the old New Orleans Saints fans who wore bags over their heads labeled “Aints”
EvilDrPuma @ 174
That’s about eight miles from where I grew up. Also they now grow grapes in southern England, but Senator Inbred (R, LaLa Land) says global warming is a hoax, so I guess it is.
It would be an interesting exercise to compare a selection of Georgie’s stumbling answers to those of a non-idiot who has been asked the same question. Transcripts would not do, I’m talking video taped performances.
I firmly believe in the compare/contrast method of education.
“What do you think of the ISG report?”
Bush: “Wanna see whut I kin do wif my finger?”
Feingold: *angels sing*
“Unfortunately, the Iraq Study Group report does too little to change the flawed mind-set that led to the misguided war in Iraq. Maybe there are still people in Washington who need a study group to tell them that the policy in Iraq isn’t working, but the American people are way ahead of this report.
While the report has regenerated a few good ideas, it doesn’t adequately put Iraq in the context of a broader national security strategy. We need an Iraq policy that is guided by our top national security priority – defeating the terrorist network that attacked us on 9/11 and its allies. We can’t continue to just look at Iraq in isolation. Unless we set a serious timetable for redeploying our troops from Iraq, we will be unable to effectively address these global threats. In the end, this report is a regrettable example of ‘official Washington’ missing the point.”
*angels weep for us*
Official Holiday 2006 Portrait: President Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush
rwcole @ 195
It’s the role of US troops that concerns me. This imbed the troops idea is stupid. Vietnamization didn’t work in the 60s and neither will this. We have two waring facitons and we either have to choose sides or get the F*#k out. And Syria, Iran and the Saudis have to defuse thier puppets.
jeffreyw @ 198
Brilliant!
PeteCO @ 193
As I recall, southern England was producing wine back in the Middle Ages, too–before the Little Ice Age hit. And I know from experience that Hans Brinker is a thing of the past in Holland–it rarely dips below freezing on a winter night these days. So, yeah, Inhofe is a dipshit…but that’s no surprise at all.
jayt @ 176
Unfortunately the UK already has Sky News, a unit of Murdoch Corp, plus a bunch of Murdoch papers. They’ve got more than enough Murdoch, thanks.
twolf1 @ 199
good grief– looks like a Madame Tussaud stand-in for Laura and he is positively a chimp in a tux.
Agreed. Embedding US troops is to insert them directly into a civil war. It is the worst idea I’ve heard yet.
twolf1 @ 186
That link! *gasp*
I remember reading the Texas Republican Parties 2000 platform, and it says very explicitly that they wish to destroy FEMA and go to what I would call a “faith-based” disaster response (as in you better pray you don’t get hit by one!). It is interesting to dig up for some historic context.
New thread, gang.
new thread
Laura looks lost in time- as usual. That woman has GREAT drugs..
Clusterfuck looks like he just soiled his linen and needs to run off an fix it.
He’s lookin REAL bad..Wonder why he doesn’t get inta Laura’s stash?
Bush: “Wanna see whut I kin do wif my finger?”
angie @ 200
The real Laura Bush divorced the Chimp years ago. The White House sometimes uses an animatronic Laura cobbled together from Chuck E. Cheese surplus parts for public appearances, but mostly she’s computer-generated these days.
laura is placidly smiling while showing off her decorated tree with sedatives flowing thru her veins.
Laura looks lost in time- as usual. That woman has GREAT drugs..
why do think she stays so perky, Dan?
(and to paraphrase watertiger, why is Laura wearing the drapes again?)
Christy Hardin Smith @
169
wasn’t this the guy?
http://itn.co.uk/news/making-n…..ewart.html
hahaha EvilDr.Puma at 212!
I think of it as the “Post Office Model.”
Maybe you remember this bumper stickers from the 80’s: “If you like the post office, you’ll love national health insurance.” The point being, of course, that government is just sooo inept that everything it does will be run as badly as the post office.
Never mind that our mail service is actually pretty good. When you send a letter, you can be reasonably sure it will get there in a few days — not something you can count on in other parts of the world. Still, when the post office does make a mistake, people roll their eyes, and say something like “The Post Office. You know how they are. What’re ya gonna do?”
And now it’s FEMA. I cringed at every post-Katrin FEMA joke told on the late night talk shows — because that was bringing us closer and closer to this goal of the conservatives. “Of course [your city here] was destroyed. It’s the federal government. You know how they are. What are ya gonna do?”
If you don’t want your city to be destroyed, then maybe next time you should pick a place where there are no hurricanes.
Or tornadoes.
Or floods.
Or earthquakes.
Or droughts.
Or blizzards.
Or thunderstorms.
Or…
EvilDrPuma @
60
“a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds”
ralph waldo emerson
rwcole @
66
well said, rw.
Gotta say, one of my historical “babes” is Elizabeth I of England. There’s a marvelous BBC series on her where, in the first chapter, she has to convince Bloody Mary that, “Yes, my dear sister, I’m your loyal, faithful subject” but that “Oh, my dear sister, please do not ask me to betray my conscience by converting to Roman Catholicism!”
Marvelous stuff! Elizabeth was SO slippery and clever. I recommend her as a liberal heroine.
Perhaps you all should read Ernst Cassirer’s Myth of the State.*
Here’s Wikipedia’s Cliff Notes version:
Not that they are Fascists – they’re not, but it is possible that repug’s have used the same ideas of myth creation and irrationality and the marketing of such within a working democracy in which to gain, and seek to hold on to, power.**
I for one argued prior to the election that it was enough for Dems not to be Repugs, since the myths upon which repug marketing and election success were based were all exposed as lies, and you can’t market or sell lies once they are exposed. I think I was proven right.
I don’t think voters are dumb, and I don’t think they are more flaky or distracted then in the past (hey, votes were once sold for beers). Perhaps voters were inattentive or gullible (though they were lied to by their gov’t), but that seems to be ending. And I think when you look at the election voters voted against repug myth and its attendant symbolism and metaphor. And what they voted for was reality (be it Iraq, Katrina, a fairer economy, whatever).
Cause when you talk about symbolism and metaphor in terms of repug marketing, you are really talking about myth creation and the marketing of myth. And myth isn’t reality (that’s why its myth), and dismissing reality rarely leads to good governance, and dismissing reality is what led to repug failures in November. Which is why Schwarzenegger’s victories really don’t prove anything, as Commander Codpiece was and is every bit the fictional Terminator that Arnold was on film, and the Commnander lost.
Repugs needed myth b/c their policies laid bare weren’t salable to a majority – they had to lie their way to power, and they did.
Rather than asking how repugs were successful in lying their way to power and how Dems might do the same through their own myth creation, Dems would be better off simply promoting and seeking to implement policies that better the lives of the vast majority of the country who are not conservative, who probaly care a great deal whether they have a well paying job, can pay their bills, afford a home, college for their kids, etc., who don’t like being lied to by their gov’t, who today don’t think Iraq makes us safer and wonder why Americans (let alone Iraqis) are dying, who don’t base their votes on alleged social decay issues, and who don’t believe in that the apocolypse is upon us either from social issues here or the fact that some people overseas don’t like us. Personally, I’m tired of phony symbolism and bad metaphor.
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* Nothing against John Dean (who I think is both smart and courageous) or Prof. Altmeyer (or Lakoff, whoever he is), but Cassirer wrote about this subject 50 years ago, and the book is considered a true classic of political science.
** One of the reasons I don’t hang out here so much anymore is b/c of the “Fascist” (i.e. Totalitarian of any political stripe) rhetoric. Its wrong, and I think most of you know it is (but not all – you know who you are) and use it as Orwell said synonymously with asshole, but for those who don’t, how do we know its wrong? We only have to go back one month to know that you weren’t living in a Fascist state, cause, well, gee, the “opposition party” in a Fascist state (assuming there is one, let alone a choice of ruling party candidates) doesn’t displace the Fascists from power in a free election. I got more, but we can save that for another post, or not.
Christy,
Ummm, in the framing of Cons, one thing has to be remembered.
Failure is failure, and attempting to glean some cheery fragment out of failure is both pathetic and a waste of time.
The difference between a conservative ideologue and an American with conservative tendencies is that the American knows whan to intervene in a bad situation and the ideologue does not. Because the ideologue does not know when to intervene, he/she doesn’t do so. If you don’t intervene, you never have to be responsible for anything. The loss of New Orleans and the widespread misery inflicted upon the Gulf Coast is no victory for Conservatism, it is a tesimonial to failure.
Lakoff, like the devil raging at God in the sky, shaking a bloody lingum in his hand, is less a voice telling us about the victories of Conservatism than he is a pathetic image of screaming expiation.
America is poorer and worse for the experience.
This is the message that I would give when asked about ideological conservatives.
re Evil Parallel Universe @219 & Ernst Cassirer’s Myth of the State
Thanks for the heads up. In college, Hiedegger was often cited but I don’t remember Cassier being mentioned. I’ll see if I can find a copy.
Late to this thread, but…
I think all the points in the post are solid. One issue that’s missing is that framing often does not take because we have not invested enough time rooting our efforts in the history of American rhetoric.
That, I believe, is the next direction framing will take moving forward–framing that draws not only on the insights of social scientists, but also on lessons from the history of American speaking.
I must take issue with this assessment of Iraq.
Not that conservatives (or the corporate kleptocracy) don’t see it that way. And not that it hasn’t caused other nations to sidle away at our show of
powertemper. But given the way the war is going, doesn’t it really say about the U.S. the same thing last summer’s bombardment of Lebanon said about Israel?Israel succeeded in bombing Lebanon’s economy back twenty years, but it didn’t succeed in cowing Hezbollah, or indeed any of their other original goals. For the first time its mighty army is now seen as something other than unbeatable. Likewise, the U.S. toppled Saddam’s government, but it can’t control the insurgency.
States and governments may fear the U.S. now, but terrorists and non-state actors have only seen how impotent we are against them.
Not to critisize anyone upthread but some people are missing the point … which is:
You need to look at this through a psychological point of view; that not everything is intellectual; some “frames,” whether they are verbal or visual, bypass the higher parts of the brain and go to the more primitive parts.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B: Clear Skies Initiative – Leave No Child Behind – Patriot Act …etc
What the USG found out through the Advertising firm Young and Rubicam is that in WWII the most effective and affective advertising, was the advertising that was aimed at those at the bottom 30% of IQ of the American population.
What the Republicans are doing is using verbal and visual frames to manipulate the American people. It’s classic propaganda and psyops
Think they don’t use it? Click here and here
What Professor Lakoff is proposing, is that Progressives/Liberals/Democrats recognize this and act accordingly. Not to “trick” voters, but to be better able to communicate those ideas that we all agree on.