You know, whatever testy substance is in the water today — I’m truly not in the mood for internal sniping. Just FYI to everyone. Let’s all take a deep breath and try not to snipe at each other in the comments please, recognize that people are entitled to their own, different opinions, and try and be repsectful of that. Don’t make me have to post another “civility” thread. *g*

Christy, if you see this, I just wanted to get your take (if you have time) on the “discussion” I had here with montag. I know I got a little pissed in the last comment (of the two he didn’t respond to), but I think he was way out of line here and called him on it. The left is different from the right not only because of our politics and economics, but because we are willing to examine our beliefs and statements and subject them to debate, something the right virtually never does.

I could go on, but I know you get it. I respect your opinion, and, after all, it’s Jane’s and your blog. Do you think I was out of line here?

Twisted at 123 — I did, and I picked one up this morning when I ran out to do an errand. Thanks much — I would never have even known it existed. :) Will make my tree set-up today MUCH easier as a result. Appreciate it!

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No different with Oklahoma electing someone like Inhofe to national office for twenty years running. If you stake your identity on where you live, you accept the will of the majority there.

One further point – I don’t stake my identity on where I live. But I do live here, and that fact says exactly nothing about me as an individual. What would you have me do – leave the state because I disagree with the politics of the majority? Have you left the country, or do you agree with the politics of GW Bush???

MayDaze @ 142

It’s like racism or sexism. You may think that, since people choose where they live, it’s fine to judge them by that standard, but just because I needed a job and found one here doesn’t make me a redneck – it just made me employed.

No, it’s neither like racism or sexism. The person wasn’t you. And, if you defend the majority because you are a resident of the state, I place you in the same category. Regions are defined by their majorities–sorry. If you were in Alabama in 1922, I wouldn’t accuse you of lynching blacks, even though lynching blacks was perfectly acceptable there at that time. But, I would be well within my rights to condemn that state–and its citizens–you included–for tolerating that state of affairs within its borders, because it was acceptable to its majority, and because you chose to willingly merge your identity with such people.

No different with Oklahoma electing someone like Inhofe to national office for twenty years running. If you stake your identity on where you live, you accept the will of the majority there.

I don’t defend the assholes in Congress from my state, and I don’t defend the people here who keep putting them in office, just because I live here. I think they’re stone cold fuckin’ crazy to do so, and I don’t identify with them. I don’t belong to a geographical state, or to a particular cultural group of yahoos in my region.

But, when you start feeling put upon because I say nasty things about Oklahomans–in general–because the majority of them keep putting a mental bottom-feeder like Inhofe in national office for goddamned near forever–don’t kid yourself, you’re defending them, not yourself or your place of employment.

You cleverly quote only a part of my comment. The part you ignored was:

My problem with your earlier post was that you castigated everyone in the state for the actions of the majority…

What you said was about ALL Oklahomans, not just those who voted for Inhofe. If you look at what I said, I never defended those who voted for Inhofe. You don’t seem to get that my issue is condemning everyone in the state for the actions of some. If that’s not discrimination, then define the term yourself. I stand by my statement – it’s like racism or sexism.

It’s like racism or sexism. You may think that, since people choose where they live, it’s fine to judge them by that standard, but just because I needed a job and found one here doesn’t make me a redneck – it just made me employed.

No, it’s neither like racism or sexism. The person wasn’t you. And, if you defend the majority because you are a resident of the state, I place you in the same category. Regions are defined by their majorities–sorry. If you were in Alabama in 1922, I wouldn’t accuse you of lynching blacks, even though lynching blacks was perfectly acceptable there at that time. But, I would be well within my rights to condemn that state–and its citizens–you included–for tolerating that state of affairs within its borders, because it was acceptable to its majority, and because you chose to willingly merge your identity with such people.

No different with Oklahoma electing someone like Inhofe to national office for twenty years running. If you stake your identity on where you live, you accept the will of the majority there.

I don’t defend the assholes in Congress from my state, and I don’t defend the people here who keep putting them in office, just because I live here. I think they’re stone cold fuckin’ crazy to do so, and I don’t identify with them. I don’t belong to a geographical state, or to a particular cultural group of yahoos in my region.

But, when you start feeling put upon because I say nasty things about Oklahomans–in general–because the majority of them keep putting a mental bottom-feeder like Inhofe in national office for goddamned near forever–don’t kid yourself, you’re defending them, not yourself or your place of employment.

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Rayne @ 135

montaq — you certainly didn’t get sh*t from me about Inhofe.

That odious and intellectually-stunted dreck needs to go.

Ah, well, I won’t mention names, but someone close to Oklahoma thought I was very unfair because I made disparaging remarks about Oklahomans because they kept reelecting this succubus named Inhofe… for twenty fucking years. :)

Go ahead, mention names. My problem with your earlier post was that you castigated everyone in the state for the actions of the majority, and I compared that to the nation electing Bush to try to demonstrate how discriminatory that characterization is. To me, making judgments about whole populations due to the actions of some, even a majority, is intellectually dishonest when that population is not self-defining. It’s like racism or sexism. You may think that, since people choose where they live, it’s fine to judge them by that standard, but just because I needed a job and found one here doesn’t make me a redneck – it just made me employed.

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This, I fear, will be the theme for the day’s hearing….

ps great post scarecrow, thanks for reminding us what we’ve lost.

“Senator Inhofe believes that poorly conceived policy decisions will result from the media’s nonstop hyping of ‘extreme scenarios’ and dire climate predictions,” said committee Communications Director Marc Morano. “This hearing will serve to advance the interests of sound science and encourage rational policy decisions.”

If Inhofe were a cartoon character, he would be Wily Coyote.