
Yes, this is a large, inflatable nativity scene that you can purchase for your front lawn. Why do you ask…
[Last year, I posted a tongue-in-cheek look at the profitable marketplace of religious lifestyle objects available for sale these days, and what I still see as their superficial role in the "lifestyle" of the "look at me" variety of person who wears their religion as loudly on their sleeve -- or bumper -- as they possibly can, versus the types of folks who feel that they must translate their faith into action, in helping the poor, the oppressed, the folks who truly need help, without the benefit of every human being in the neighborhood knowing each and every thing they do or believe, the latter being the sort of church in which I grew up -- and what I like to think of as humble faith, in contrast to what I see as bragging faith which, frankly, is often not translated into actions other than sticking stuff on the lawn or the car, in my experience around here. Is it the same where you are?
Every year around this time, I start to think that there are folks who think that Jesus owes them a higher profit margin, and are willing to do whatever it takes -- including leveraging other people's faith by whatever means necessary -- to get those profits. It is worth asking about that again this year -- and, as I have had a number of requests for this to be reprinted, I thought a discussion along these lines might be interesting for everyone. -- CHS]
I've decided that God is a capitalist. There's just no other explanation for why someone in my neighborhood bought a giant, air-filled snow globe with the Baby Jesus in it as their Christmas decoration this year.
Nothing says "We're religious!" quite like having an inflatable lawn ornament that pelts the Christ child with fake plastic snow bits, let me tell you. I feel diminished in the eyes of the Lord because we don't have one.
Is there something I missed in Sunday School at my Grandpa's church that said driving your car around with one of those fish things on it is a requirement? Or that Jesus loves you more because you wear a gold-plated filagree cross on every available jewelry wearing location? (With the exception of a few piercing locations that might be…erm..less than holy, although that might just be my own inhibition speaking.)
Does God truly get excited when you "Honk If You Are Pro Life," as a bumper sticker read on a Hummer I saw yesterday?
What about all those people with the signs in their yard that have the interchangeable biblical passage panels in them, so you can let the neighborhood know your religious sentiment of the day? Are you truly a better person because you have religious lawn decor and the guy next door only has those creepy little gnomes and a plastic waterfall garden?
Do you have any idea how much money those "Left Behind" guys are making, let alone the "Chicken Soup for the Soul" folks?
Religion is big business in this country. Just ask Ralph Reed. Or those teevee preachers that live in the multi-million dollar mansions and ride around in their Rolls Royce of the month.
Watch the 700 Club sometime and tell me it doesn't cost them a lot of money to keep a production studio like that going, week after week, and then think about how many little old ladies had to pull out their wallets and write out those checks to keep Pat Robertson and his staff on the air talking about assasinating Latin American presidents and bringing the wrath of God down upon little towns in Pennsylvania for voting out their fervently religious schoolboard in the last election.
Of course, sometimes the Lord works in mysterious ways. The AP and NYTimes report that the federal district judge hearing the Dover School Board case ruled today — in favor of the parents who sued to get the Intelligent Design curriculum out of science classrooms in the county.
The decision today from Judge Jones (warning: PDF) is a detailed history lesson, and instructive as a case study on how to annoy a judge by lying to his face. He sure did crack me up when he called the no-longer-elected school board members inane (p. 138) and a bunch of liars who hold themselves out to be Christians (p. 137).
And I found it interesting that there is some legal group called the Thomas More Law Center that set themselves up to go around the country and prod school boards into being their test cases for religious experimentation. Talk about your public interest work! Hoo boy! I have to wonder how they still have tax exampt status, seeing how politically involved they are and everything, but it help to have friends in high places.
Oh, no disrespect to the Big Guy, I meant in the White House. Beg your pardon.
It's just that people sure do spend an awful lot of money trying to look more and more religious than their neighbors: only listening to the right radio stations, buying only the latest in fervent rock music, only wearing the approved sorts of clothes, only going on retreats sponsored by the appropriate sorts of groups that charge exhorbitant fees for them, only reading books on the approved lists from approved publishing houses wholly owned by approved religious businesspeople, only…well, you get the picture.
What happened to the whole "love thy neighbor" thing? The whole "do unto others," instead of just trying to look like a better person than the other guy by buying more licensed Jesus merchandise? Seems to me that money might be better spent on helping out the less fortunate instead of getting the latest from the Biblical video of the month club.
When did everyone decide that the only way to be religious is to get in the face of every human being you meet and demand that they believe exactly the same way that you do? I dunno, I've never been much for the Church of the Lemming, so I guess I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just too old school.
It sure isn't my Grandpa's church any more. It's not a religion, it's a lifestyle.
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fitz!
Yikes!
My grandfather was the most pious man I have ever met. He forbade wearing crosses in his house because the symbol of Christ’s martyrdom was not mean to be a fashion statement. He was extremely religious but nothing like the messiahs-in-sheep’s-clothing we see running around now.
Whatever happened to the poor? To “from each according to his gifts to each according to his needs”?
When did religious hate become a substitute for religious hate?
You need to add to this years note that they can have baby Jesus on the lawn but no peace symbol because that is satanic.
A block away from me, there is one particular house that made me laugh. They took so much time to properly decorate their yard/house so as to entice the second coming to occur right next to their azaleas. One thing that they probably didn’t count on was that when you are driving down the street, heading north, it looks like two of the wire-frame light-up motorized reindeer are mating.
At first I thought it was my dirty mind. But, it was later pointed out to me by two other independent sources.
As the Christmas displays get more and more lavish I think of all the good that we could do with the money spent. Imagine gifts of food and shelter, medicine and education?
I think of the billions we’ve spent to destroy Iraq. And the position we would be in if we had spent that money truly helping the poor. We might even be loved instead of reviled.
Heartbreaking really.
Jacob M @ 3
During the Civil Rights movement and the Anti-war movement, mainstream/liberal churches were very sucessful in framing the issue as a moral one and were very effective too. Since then a wingnut group was formed called the Institute For Religion and Democracy.
Their sole purpose is to disrupt mainstream American Protestant denominations by organizing stealth groups who think they are retruning Jesus to the church but are undermining the very denominations they support. They find fertile ground amongst the older more conservative folk who are uncomfortable with gay issues and putting women in the pulpit. They tell them that they need to “renew thier church” and in the process the church turns away from liberal social acivism and eventually becomes another Fundie church. And they have been very successful. Lots of demoninations especially in the midwest have lost congregations to “independent” – Fundementalist – denominations. The UCC – The Untied Church of Christ, the most liberal denomnation in the country, is trying to fingth back but it is a hard fight.
I know very little about religion. God does not talk to me. But I know a bit about the “golden rule”. Is the golden rule what Jesus was trying to instill?
Boy, I wish I could have been at your grandpa’s church…
When my mother sent me to “Christian school”, often they’d spend much of the time (no matter what the subject was supposed to be) talking about how Jesus wants us to be “God-fearing”, obedient, free-market-loving Republicans.
I’m with Calvin’s dad:
“Oh look, yet another Christmas TV special! How touching to have the meaning of Christmas brought to us by cola, fast food, and beer…. Who’d have ever guessed that product consumption, popular entertainment, and spirituality would mix so harmoniously?”
The good book had it right: “Money is the root of all evil.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
NO! Dontcha know that Jesus told his prophet on earth, George Dubya Bush, that we are supposed to do unto others as the free market would do unto them…
And, oh my heavens, if you name it…
And claim it in the name of the Lord…
It shall be yours!
Hallelujah, I’m gonna be RICH…
Oops, I meant God will bless me abundantly.
(Major dose of snark)
Biodun @
11
“The love of money is the root of all evil.” But that’s not in the book, is it?
johnSwifty @ 13
Oh, it is, it’s Timmeh!
Have you heard this verse, Matthew 6:5?
I think we need to ask Gates how he would fight the War on Christmas.
Did God create plastic snow?
Answer: What above can one buy and what above requires thought, compassion and non hypocritical behavior?
our very own modern version of tribalism.
johnSwifty @ 13
I know, but look at Christy’s next paragraph after the one I cited from.
Christy, have you been in my neighborhood lately? The next subdivision over has an inflatable manger scene, unbelievable.
IMHO, they are so afraid of being “corrupted” by society, they try to remake society in their image. Which totally misses the point. “My kingdom is not of this world.”
This is a great post Christy. The phenomena you describe above can be overlaid perfectly on those who support this war as well. American flags flying from their SUV’s with 10 different “Support the Troops” magnets made in China on their rear bumper under the big W in 04′ sticker that’s already fading.
Not a one of them would ever lift a finger to actually “Support the Troops” by sending them care packages or cutting a check to Operation Helmet or volunteering at their local veterans center. But each and every one of them would pounce on a wounded returning Iraq war veteran as being an unpatriotic coward if that veteran dared to speak out against “The Deciderer”.
I confess that I don’t understand these traits in people. And more importantly, I’m still not sure how to combat it. That being said, I think posts like this are a great start.
(I know that’s slightly off-topic from the religious nature of the post but I see these things as being related)
johnSwifty @ 13
It’s funny…
When I used to go to a VERY fundamentalist church, many of the snobby rich folks there would use the full verse as an excuse…
“Oh, but it isn’t a sin to have money…
It’s only a sin if you make it into an idol…”
Yep, and after they’d say this, they’d jump into their brand-spanking-new Mercedes and head over to their yachts for a pleasure ride around the harbor…
As the poor families in the church couldn’t even get help with food from the church food bank.
OT but yay! – House GOP pulls offshore drilling bill
From an old George Gerdes song: (in your best gospel voice)
I saw jesus, and she was black…
I saw jesus, and she was black…
I saw jesus, and she was black,
and you’d best believe, she’s comin’ back…
I saw jesus…
please excuse the brief OT – the afternoon session of gates’ hearing has just started on cspan-3. if christy prefers, we can use the previous thread for any discussion.
johnSwifty @ 14
So it is. OMG!
This is what Jesus had to say about it.
“Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
Pharisees were the local religious establishment, and they had political influence with the Roman occupation. Publicans were Jews who collected Roman taxes, and were the most despised class of citizen. I believe the reason Jesus frequently featured Pharisees and publicans in His parables was to point out that, in the end, there was no difference between the two. Both sold out their principles for money.
I also find it of interest the only time Jesus resorted to violence is when he drove the moneychangers from the temple.
I find the confluence of these two ancient lessons quite relevant to today’s religious scene.
Your Flag Decal Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore
I can’t really participate in this discussion, because I’m one of those secular humanists who believes that one can live a moral and ethical and inquisitive life without the aid of preachers….
The last time I went to church (apart from funerals of relatives, which was a matter of respect for them, not the institution) was when I was sixteen; the priest repeatedly asked me about my sex life, and especially wanted to know–as he had the previous five times in confession–if I had *wink, wink* “sinned against myself” (Catholic shorthand for jerking off). Finally, I told him it was “none of his fuckin’ business” and I got up and left for good.
Jesus was, by my reading, a decent man and a socialist (although, at times, a bit of a prig). But the mysteries are just fiction. By turning him into a magical figure, the preachers could accentuate the mystical and ignore the substance of what he said, and the retailers turned the five Walton heirs into the Wise Men….
Such is religion in the 21st sin-chew-ree….
Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Made everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far
That not much us really sacred.
-Bob Dylan, “It’s Alright Ma, (I’m Only Bleeding)”
Speaking of God, I wanted to mention that Richard Dawkins has written an excellent book entitled The God Delusion.
A great Christmas gift idea. I highly recommend it.
Here’s a link to the first chapter:
http://richarddawkins.net/godDelusion#firstChapter
twolf1 @ 28
John Prine is one of my favorites!
OT, but Taylor Marsh has been hired by MyDD and the SEIU to blog on the Nurses Lockout.
Yea, Taylor Marsh!!!
Biodun @ 19
I gotcha. The ultra religious do love to spend their money on that which seems to be awfully physical in nature, rather than spiritual.
I suppose one could make a case for a form of idolatry; I think one of the commandments had something to say about that….hmmm.
I refer now to an episode I saw recently of my patron Saint, Stephen Colbert (a very well studied catholic lad), talking to one of the proponents that a sculpture of the Ten Commandments should be placed on public property. Colbert simply asked the man, “Can you name the commandments.”
Surprise, Surprise, surprise…gooper could not.
It seem many of the “holier than thou” would fail that simple test.
Gee, what tripped the spam filter claymore wire? Priest?
Waltons?
Secular humanist?
Sin? :) (That would be funny….)
[Mod Note; none of the above. Find the brand name drug within a word that describes an economic model]
atdnext @ 22
I couldn’t agree more. Just made a post with the similar point about idolatry.
selise at 25 — feel free to use this one to continue to follow Gates, too. I just thought everyone could use a chuckle and a little discussion on the merits of “doing” rather than just “seeming to do.” If you know what I mean…
BTW Christy, i’m surprised at you. As i understand it, all inflatable mangers are filled, by law, only with CO2 from the nearest coal plant. Which prevents it escaping into what was once our atmosphere. If the law is being followed, than inflatable mangers are the first real religious carbon sinks!
Didn’t jesus say “Ask not what you can do with your inflatable manger, ask what your inflatable manger can do for, … wait, i’m confused.
Gates’ wife went to a basketball game instead of inflating her manger?
diogenes @ 27
i used to do a very evil thing whenever religious folk knocked on my door. i’d invite them in and talk with them about the bible until they wanted to run screaming from my house.
i was always polite, but my motivation was not good. it was revenge – pure and simple – for fundamentalist bs i had been taught and the pain it had caused me.
it felt good too, even now when i think back on it… sigh, i have so much evil karma to overcome.
*xyz @ 31
Sounds interesting…
After I left that fundy church, I began questioning everything about Christianity…
And before I knew it, I began wondering if there even is a god out there…
Lately, I’ve been leaning atheist…
But I still need some more questions answered before I can assure myself that there really isn’t a god out there.
Arjuna’s Bow beat me to it.
The word Pharisee is underutilized in the Left’s debate against the hypocrites who use religious posturing to advance their agenda.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
ok, thanks christy.
Jacob M @ 3
Maybe it’s growing up in New England with the historical influence of Puritanism, which frowned on religious symbolism including crucifixes, but I sympathize with your grandfather. Religion is not supposed to be a flashy car or a hood ornmament. I think that goes for other religions as well. We level headed folks are hemmed in by theoCons on all side.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
Precisely. Matthew 22:37-40 says:
“Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Seems pretty straightforward to me…
One of my favorite Dylan lyrics from Slow Train Coming describes “a flesh colored Christ that glows in the dark” – pretty much sums up the state of religion in the US
LET US PREY . . .
Oh Jesus, protect us from your followers.
amen.
johnSwifty @ 36
Precisely! As I wrote at 22, that’s what those fundies would say…
And then, they’d go back to idolizing their money.
Don’t get me wrong…
I know some genuine people of faith who also happen to be affluent…
They worship their god, not their wealth…
It’s just too bad that those other “supposed Christians” don’t practice what they preach.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
You got that right, Redd. The conformation process is definitely stacking up under the “seeming to do” category. And it’s not comedy; just tragedy. Montag provided some history…guess we’ve got the whole enchilada in terms of melodrama covered with the conformation hearings. But there’s always room for religious discussions. It is the jello of my life :)
selise @39 – I do that with JaWit’s. Once I only offered wine and crackers during the visit….) It was a very good wine.
i heart jane @ 46
At the very least, the ones in polyester….
catfood @ 30 – just went back in the thread and noticed you quoted Dylan here too – guess we are thinking alike today.
Inflatable mangers eh? We don’t have any of those yet. We only have what COSTCO sells-and I don’t believe that they handle inflatable mangers.
EVERYONE in our neighborhood shops at COSTCO– and eats the same cheese and drinks the same australian wine..If you go into someone else’s house- you think you are in yer own- cause they have the same stuff you do..
I don’t think COSTCO people would WANT inflatable mangers scenes–people might think that they’re – well- tasteless–or pee-culiliar. Lights are OK. A few people have them big inflatable Santas- but I don’t think they come from COSTCO either.. If ya don’t see it at Starbucks- it don’t belong in yer yard.
30 or so years ago, when “Honk If You Love Jesus” bumper stickers were popular, I was behind a car with the sticker at a traffic light. When it went green and she didn’t move for a couple of seconds I honked, whereupon she turned around and gave me the finger.
montag @
29
I disagree, montag. I am one of those weirdo religious types who believes there’s room at the table for everybody.
We could have an interesting philosophical discussion regarding the origins of ethics, but I believe we’d both conclude the application is more relevant.
The Good Book says we will be judged by how we treat the less fortunate. The action is the imperative: what prompts you to act is your business.
atdnext @ 40
I hope you have a chance to read this book – Richard Dawkins will surely help to address many of your questions. He is a very entertaining writer and extremely fun to read. Also, he is right about this God stuff.
Sam Harris is also a great atheist writer. He has written The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. I recommend both.
For years we’ve had a tradition of getting our priest the tackiest religious item we can find as his Christmas gift. This year he’s getting the “Jesus Loves You” Sandals from http://www.shoesofthefisherman.com. You can’t make this shit up. I’ve also found the St. Sebastian pincushion, the 10 Commandments soap, the Talking With God coloring book, oh, I could go on and on…
selise @ 39
Ha ha! I’ve done the same thing. It annoys them to no end when you can quote more verses than they and then throw their own back at them in King James (fundies can’t handle King James).
I read the ‘writing’ of The Latter Day Saints just to experience that fun on equal opportunity levels.
You are devious ;-}
In today’s world- religion is an aesthetic judgement- would you like to be seen WEARING it?
Edward Kennedy up at Gates conf hearing
Thanks for this post, Christy. I think you got that right…it is a lifestyle. This practice of individuals showcasing their religious beliefs has been a source of consternation for me for a very long time. It’s just weird to me and I know and am related to a lot of people who do it with bumper stickers, religious decorations for just about every holiday, etc. I’m also curious about people who go to these huge mega-churches. Personally, I think they do it for entertainment or as some sort of a social outing, not to worship. I just don’t know what these huge churches do for their communities other than fill their coffers and build bigger and bigger churches. The little Episcopal Church that I attend is one of the smallest churches in our town, structurally and congregation-wise and we support a free-lunch program for anyone who is hungry five days a week. We fed 5,000 people in one year alone. There are lots of churches in town with far more financial support, with bigger facilities, lots more members, but it’s our tiny little church that feeds the hungry.
twolf1 @ 59
Do you think there’s a chance for serious questions?
And pardon my ignorance, twolf1, but is the brilliant J Prine still making great songs?
Wouldn’t it be embarassing ta be one of them fundies in them big ol churches holdin up yer hands and readin the bouncing ball to sing the Jesus Rock music? I mean- REALLY! What do their neighbors think?
twolf1 @ 59
thank you teddy for bringing up the MCA and torture.
The November issue of Wired has a cover article on the New Athiesm that’s quite informative. There are pretty good summaries of the recent writings of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris on the topic. Also, Wired News has links to all the letters they received about it.
http://www.wired.com/wired/arc…..heism.html
Here’ the letters link.
http://blog.wired.com/letters/…..index.html
(With the exception of a few piercing locations that might be…erm..less than holy, although that might just be my own inhibition speaking.)
If they’re pierced, wouldn’t they be “holy” by definition?
Marion in Savannah @ 56
I am so getting a camouflage zippered cover for my Bible.
http://www.yourbiblecovers.com
selise @ 39
Oh yeah, I went to church four times a week and 8 years of church school.
Even back then, I was a problem child – very polite, but “why this” and “why that?”
There’s nothing like talking to them in their native tongue!
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12
The inflatable lawn ornaments are as cheesy as they come. But what is really funny is that in the morning when people turn off the fans, there are dozens of dead Santas and Frostys all over the lawns.
One of these days, I’m going to go all CSI and draw chalk marks around them and tape off the crime scene. ;-)
rwcole @ 62
You know, I’m torn on that one; when I think, “What would Jesus do,” I’m left with the realization that he would have rocked, and rocked hard. Of course, that does kinda take mainstream christian music out of the equation, so I guess you’re right.
ot
cheney is going to “preside over the senate”
I’m hoping he recieves the type of reception from the democrats he deserves
Ah, yes. But, if you really want to make a point with your yard display, you can buy one of these:
http://www.catholicsupply.com/…..santa.html
After all, in the words of their web page:
Riiiiiiiiight.
So, we have him genuflecting at a manger. Interior ornaments from $4.99. Holy cards (like the nuns used to give for good answers in catechism class) with The Big Guy and Baby Jesus, in bulk (item 10578), a quarter each. For a mere $99.95 (on sale through Saturday!), you can buy a lighted version for the yard (scroll down, item 27760), or the holographic lighted version (item 26768).
What the good folks at Catholic Supply aren’t telling us is that, in ‘murca today, Santa Claus is God is Santa Claus.
Crazy Horse @
61
1) Doubtful
2) Currently touring
Crazy Horse @ 61
Indeed, he is, although his voice changed a bit after the throat surgery. I think this one is recent
My favorite “nudging the Lord” story is the one where Evangelical Christians and conservative Jews got together to breed the “red heifer” in Israel. The Jews see the red heifer as necessary to rebuild the Temple and the Evangelicals see the Temple as necessary to bring on the Last Days. The two principal figures in this Breeding for the Lord and Apocalypse Advancement program are Clyde Lott and Chaim Richman. They formed a partnership with the stipulation that if Clyde gets raptured, Chaim will carry on.
A long article on this can be found at frontline:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..rcing.html
closing tags?
portia.vz @ 68
Funny…. /giggling at the thought of it–there’s one across the street from me/
Couple thoughts. I’m not a religious person, but I got to church every sunday. Confusing, but whatever…
Religion has always been a lifestyle. And it still is. Every week they ask for someone to make dinner for 30 homeless men, make 110 dozen cookies for the prison, babysit at the womens shelter during classes, etc. Huge lifestyle impact. I feel bad that I don’t volunteer more than 3-4 times a year, but that’s something I’ll have to live with myself.
The mainstream Christian churches did themselves, their congregation and the country a disservice in the 70’s by pushing a broad civil rights agenda really hard.
For a long time before the 60’s, congregations had been talking about the injustices of poverty, lack of education, etc. due to the segration of blacks in this country. It was easy to tie that to direct teachings about helping the down trodden. And the mainstream churches had their heyday as they stood shoulder to shoulder with civil rights protesters in the 60’s. Pure act of religious consciense.
But the leaders of these churches kept pushing after that victory. They wanted to incorporate women into the clergy, support gay rights, support gay clergy, etc. These were good goals, but they started at the top rather than starting in the sermon. The congregations were not there and it undermined the “mainstream” religions in this country and led to a lot of people becoming agnostic or joining “alternative” churches.
I think it was a mistake and enabled the religious right. They should have taken it a little slower and started by educating the pastors that speak every sunday.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I really think we could have made it much further. “Mainstream” churches lost control of the “christian” message.
So when MSM picks “christian leaders” to give their message – it’s no longer unconditional love, charity, helping the needing, and the general ‘Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethern, ye have done it unto me’. Instead it’s hating abortion, hating gays, hating the sin in your neighbor, etc.
And that’s because the mainstream churches got to far in front of their congregations – sad, but I think it’s true.
Oh NO WAY !!
http://www.yourbiblecovers.com…..real-red-L
here’s the link to cheney prsiding over the senate
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com…..17081.aspx
rwcole @ 62
As a former fundy myself, I can tell you that many of these folks wouldn’t care what their “pagan neighbors” think…
“At least, I’m goin’ to HEAVEN to be with JEEZIS! I’m goin’ up to see my Lord when the Rapture happens… And if those unbelievin’ pagans don’t wanna accept JEEZIS as their Lord and Savior, then they’ll just have to suffer thru those End Times.”
Marion in Savannah @ 56
Recently I went to see an exhibit of the Dead Sea Scrolls at a Seattle museum. It was incredible. But the reason I mention this is the gift shop at the end of the exhibit. Museums always have them because they’re a great way to supplement their budgets. It’s hard to commercialize ancient religious texts, other than books about the exhibit, but someone tried!
They sold a “spa kit” with Dead Sea Mineral Mud, Dead Sea Mineral Soap and Dead Sea Bath Salts, made with actual Dead Sea Salts! I just about choked.
ack. sessions and gates love-fest.
scribe @ 71
So, we have him genuflecting at a manger. Interior ornaments from $4.99. Holy cards (like the nuns used to give for good answers in catechism class) with The Big Guy and Baby Jesus, in bulk (item 10578), a quarter each. For a mere $99.95 (on sale through Saturday!), you can buy a lighted version for the yard (scroll down, item 27760), or the holographic lighted version (item 26768).
Making your lawn look like something out of “Close Encounters” for the second coming to land on…..PRICELESS!
rwcole @ 62
You lakers have forgotten the value to amurka from Fundey churches. After the soul savings and rendering unto Haggard were collected, way after, as Levon Helm likes to point out, came the Midnight Ramble.
Without the Midnight Ramble, there would have been no elvis.
Elvis… destroyed by the GW Carver Negroe peanut butter conspiracy.
(What a good name for a band?)
I must say… I have gone so far off religion that I wish it would just go away. It’s gone way past perverted now… and it seems that more harm is being done than good.
It’s time for ethical secular humanist to be in ascendance. The god people had their chance and botched it up for everyone.
Should Jesus ever return, I feel he would be more Buddhist than Baptist.
scribe @ 71
That stuff rocks. Where can we buy statuettes of the Easter Bunny praying at Golgotha?
I sometimes answer the door and talk to the Mormons who come around, because I am really curious to see how they’re doing in CT (The land of steady habits for Gosh sakes!) I ask them where they’re from, because they look uncomfortable and out of place. It’s usually Utah or California. And then they get more uncomfortable when I start asking them about neighbors’ reactions (not specific, but the population in general) and so on.
I know at least one Catholic originally from the North who lived in the South for many years, and she used to go ballistic when she talked about some of the in-your-face King James Bible stuff. I can’t imagine why the likes of Hannity and O’Reilly would actually side with the TheoCons who probably have some pretty strong bias.
I think that people quit goin to the mainstream churches cause they fell asleep inside em- and everything got REAL complicated- and not very interesting…
The NEW churches have ROCK music- ROCK BANDS right there in the front of the church- and the best lookin girls getta sing rock songs and practice eating the microphone- and every body stands up and reaches up with their hands and acts like they’re in the middle of an orgasm…
An the preacher tells ya that if ya “accept Jesus” well that’s all there is to it- ya don’t have to do anything else- yer saved…
It’s christianity LITE>
When I wanted to be Baptized at the age of six I was told I must first believe in the devil as well as jesus. I waited a couple of weeks before claiming my new found belief. Once I was submerged in a rather large indoor pool high above the sanctuary during sunday service the pastor must have started rambling because I was under water for quite awhile before I bit him!
I think it may have been the last day I attended a baptist church.
..a giant, air-filled snow globe with the Baby Jesus in it ..
Bubble Christ!
…Would make the ‘laying on hands’ stuff problematic, ‘tho…
The bible cover with matching cell phone holder is my favorite! /snark
Gates will surely be affirmed. Cheney likes yes (facilitator) men. And Bush likes yes (enabler) women.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 78
http://www.christianswag.com/a…..APTSPR.jpg
Man do I HATE those cheapie plastic Nativity scenes. They’re hideous and tacky,and not in a fun way,like plastic pink flamingos. I’m afraid if one of those inflatables shows up in the neighborhood I’m going to be mighty tempted to casually stick pins in it. I think I have an old fashioned hat pin around here somewhere….
It’s truly stunning to me the disconnect many of these people have. Don’t worship false idols or graven images,ha,what the hell would you call a giant granite 10 Commandments?
There are actually “Christian exercise classes”here in the Atlanta ‘burbs. Being curious I called the church and asked if this was just a regular exercise class or if it had a religious theme. Heehee. No Yoga allowed,that’s Satanic. And only “certain”music is allowed,nothing”secular” is played in the classes. Women may not wear shorts,even though the classes are for women and led by women. Yipes. I can’t imagine living my life scared of so much that even YOGA is a bad thing. Blah.
John Warner is wondering why there isn’t support for the Iraq war as there was for WW2
Sparkles the Iguana @ 87
Or the giant diorama of the Easter Bunny rolling back the stone from the cave?
Or the Pilgrim action figures killing the Blessed Turkey? (Live ammo, of course.)
Or Santa being frisked, handcuffed and read his rights for breaking and entering by the SWAT team Jesus on Christmas day?
johnSwifty @
69
When I think of Jesus and music, I think of “Lean on Me.” And Aretha. And Janis. Kirk Franklin.
I don’t think he’d mind that I do the Jerk to “Jesus Is Just All Right With Me.”
We now have entire stores selling “Christian Supplies”- No- I’m NOT shitting you- Christian Supplies..I’ve never been in there- no one in my neighborhood would buy Christian Supplies- but I drive right past it all the time..Wonder what they sell anyway.
portia.vz @ 68 – when I first saw those a few years back, I didn’t realize the air was continuously pumped – so when I saw them deflated I told my husband there were Santa terrorists in the neighborhood.
Diane @ 100
Santarian violence
twolf1 @ 94
Ahahahaha heeeeeee Lordy Lordy. The Abercrombie & Fitch one has to be the best.
rwcole @ 89
Well… That’s not ENTIRELY true…
Don’t forget that if you REALLY want to show the Lord that you care about spreading the Gospel, you’ll give love offerings to the church, so they can pay for their “crusades” across the country…
And if you want to learn how to be a REAL GOOD BELIEVER, you’ll buy this pastor’s new book on living a life for Jesus…
And you can get an AUTOGRAPHED COPY for only $29.95 (plus $5.95 shipping and handling)…
And if you want to save your marriage and get your spouse to come to church with you more often, you’ll buy this pastor’s “marriage renewal kit” for only $99.95 (plus $10.95 shipping and handling)…
I call it CHRISTIANITY FOR SALE!!
rwcole @ 99
Do they handle Christian condoms? Oops. That’s terrible.
Don’t we have any reasonable controls on websitedomains? christianswag my a*s!
PS thanks christy, for allowing a releaseitall thread during the painful Gates docudrama. (Though i tend to support Gates because, ah because… because he’s not the Anti-Gates!)
Santarian violence
Twolf1 — you’ve been hangin’ with Punaise too much.
You guys couldn’t have done this sooner? I already bought my formerly fundie husband the talking Jesus doll for Solstice…
(We went to see the Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit too- the gift shop was hilarious.)
Crazy Horse at 105 — seemed like everyone could use one. It’s been a frustrating hearing today, no doubt…
Our neighbors, Baptist, I believe, have hosted several baptisms in the pool in their back yard. We’ve been out with the tiller and leaf blower when it gets really quiet over the fence. Then a splash.
My 9-year old daughter & her friends are pestering me, pleading, begging for me to get a GIANT SNOW GLOBE. The kids think these things are wonderful, just like the tree lights or snowmen. I drive them about the neighborhood and they squeal with joy at the sight of a natavity scene or sleigh with reindeer. It’s all the same to them: Magic.
I think An Angry Old Broad @ 95
Nativity scenes are a setup for teenagers and kids, I think. There is always seems to be a story every year in CT about a missing Baby Jesu, with a “anyone who has any information should contact the (local) police.” Instead of going into hysterics every year, I think that we should all just accept that every year a BabyJesu will be snatched from the cradle.
Margot @ 98
Nope, he’d probably let you wash his feet with your hair whilst jerking around ;-}
I frequently bellow “How Great Thou Art” around our house; but, he might take offense at that…my wife sure does.
JF—”splash”? How the hell are they doin it?
rwcole @ 99
Hmm, don’t know for sure, but churches have to buy a lot of stuff – pew cushions, hymnals, cheap Bibles, offering envelopes, offering baskets, trays for the wine/juice/hosts, little shorty pencils for writing on your offering envelope, robes for the choir, etc. etc. All this stuff doesn’t just drop down from heaven.
Yeah I’ve heard about the missing baby Jesuses too…Guess the devil makes em do it…
Do all of the missing Baby Jesuses show up together somewhere- where they can socialize an talk about old times?- Or are they all just nailed to the wall of some smelly teenager’s room?
rwcole @ 115
They grow up to be traveling gnomes
I know the guy who’s father wrote “How Great Thou Art”– The kid has never had to work a day in his life- livin off the residuals.
More thoughts: I had a friend who made those cheapy X-mas decorations in Hong Kong as a kid during the 70s. It’s something he’ll never forget. He hates those decorations.
rwcole @ 115
Hmmm… Is that a legitimate defense in a court of law…
“Judge, you gotta believe me…
THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!”
The main thing is to go to a church where people drive the same kind of car as you do.
rwcole @ 115
Obviously, it’s a capitalist plot. The baby Jesus purveyors hire people to steal them. They have to be replaced because, after all, baby Jesus is the main attraction in any manger scene. What are you gonna do, put a picture of Elvis in the crib?
rwcole @ 117
Don’t tell my wife; she’ll have that kid down on me like white on rice. I don’t know any other hymns.
ooohhh.. gates is getting grilled by carl levin on iran-contra! go carl!
Hell – we even have a “Prius” Church around here—-lots of Big Old Buick Churches and then the HUGE Tahoe churches— they’re in old shoppin malls and they’re louder than hell!
selise @ 123
Please tell those of us on dial up more.
Enjoyed the nice theological discussion- need ta go get my tires rotated.
montag @ 121
“Hunka, hunka, burn in hell!”
; )
rwcole @ 124
I wanna be in “The Church of the BigAss Black Cadillac.”
johnSwifty @ 122
Well hell, I just had to break into song.
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.
This is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long;
this is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long.
Perfect submission, perfect delight,
visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
angels descending bring from above
echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
watching and waiting, looking above,
filled with his goodness, lost in his love.
Mathew 6: 5-6
5 “When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.
6 But you, when you pray, enter into your inner chamber, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
Trinity Broadcasting Network. Ever take a gander at this outfit?
Almost bought one of those Jesus dolls for a born-again niece, complete with its “What Would Jesus Do?” wristband, because I wondered if the constant repetition of the recursive question (”What would I do? What would I do if I were me?”) might cause the doll’s head to explode. Sort of like the thrilling conclusion of “We’re All Bozos on This Bus.”
Sadly, my husband dissuaded me.
Speaking of religious lifestyles, in connection with Romney, recently several blog sites have been discussing Mormon underwear.
Well, the boxers or briefs question was getting bit thread bare. Anyway, at this point Romney has refused to answer.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 131
Are you kidding?! I live across the 405 from it! Do you know how many complaints the City of Costa Mesa has received from the neighbors?
“They leave the damn lights on all night!
I CAN’T F***ING SLEEP!!!!”
karnak12 @ 130
This comes perilously close to nudging me into telling stories about my years teaching at a fundamentalist Christian college… and that’s not good for my digestion….
Sparkles @ 87, Montag @ 97:
Sorry, can’t help on the Easter Bunny stuff, but for Easter the same folks will sell you a gen-yoo-wine Crown of Thorns, on the vine, even. Here:
http://www.catholicsupply.com/…..terch.html (third item down)
There’s some guy, somewhere, raising vines with wicked thorns on them. He’s likely got two buyers – religious store suppliers and S&M store suppliers.
Ain’t capitalism grand?
Some of us in the Central European time zone who, despite hard training at the fitness studio, have finished a bottle of Bordeaux without having dinner, must for eating go. I would like to personally thank those of you who let me know John Prine is still doing it. and yoiu know who you are. And so Do We… so be careful what ythink.
And i am so grateful for the brilliance of the lake with dogs afire, and love to tolerate the accumbent (encumbent…accombiening… what the fu*k is the ainglish word? ahhh, got it. Entkumpsah and tippecanoe and twolf1 two.)
or as they say in amurka “jeah, whatever.” (Me hungry, and later will the single malt so beloved from previous threads flow, unless Web 2.3 demands immediate response, in which case i response immediate. Ly.
If you don’t want to end up like russianspyamateur, do not go to my blog, which you can’tfind anywhey.
Just curious. Was there any follow up to inviting President Carter here for a book thing?
Oddly, one of my most vivid memories of Christmas while I was growing up was setting up the manger scene. My siblings and I, all of whom are now non-believers of one sort or another, always looked forward to it. It clearly had nothing to do with the religious symbolism. I think it was the same sort of impulse that drives model railroaders or other folks who build miniature things. The little creche/manger thing was a pretty good diorama, even if it was of a largely fictional event.
Of course, we actually put it together every year, not just inflate the thing and leave it out on the lawn.
scribe @ 136
The Opus Dei boys must be freakin’ out about that one. Do they sell knotted scourges, too?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 125
i’m so sorry i didn’t take notes… it was focused on past truthfulness lapses. i expect the washington post will have a transcript, if not i can post a small audio clip of that bit. from my listening today (a lot but not comprehensive) – that was the high point of the hearing so far.
if there are any more good bits, i’ll try to pay better attention and post notes. where is angie when we need her? (she is great at live blogging).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 131
From the always fabulous OC Weekly
atdnext @
134
If you keep up those excellent comments in the Late Night threads, some of us may have to take up a collection for their electricity bill.
selise, No problemo. Will look for the Levin segment in the transcript. Where is that angie today?
rwcole @ 115
Proposal for a book: The mystery of the purloined BabyJesu.
RBG @ 143
Umm, I think TBN has probably got that “collection” thing down pat by now…. :)
RBG @ 143
Why must you make me ROTFLMAO?
I’m waiting for my dad at the doctor’s office…
What will they think of me if everyone sees me on the floor laughing? ; )
My theatre is doing a production of A Tuna Christmas right now. It’s about a small Texas town filled with bizarre characters. Every year they have a yard display contest, with some of the entries consisting of live animals (thankfully offstage). I think Christy would feel right at home.
atdnext @ 134
I used to spend a lot of time in Huntington Beach, Newport, Balboa Island and Laguna Beach. My then sweetie used to live in Costa Mesa. Are you telling us Orange County is now part of the Bible Belt. I always knew this was a conservative area. But this. As for the lights. Would that be a “thousand points of light”?
The Secret World of Robert Gates
mui @ 145
Reminds of a practical joke from probably twenty years ago, where a guy stole flamingoes from people’s yards in Florida and took them wherever he went, posed them in different places and took pictures and sent them to the owners.
montag @ 146
You bet they do! Oh, and they’re good at so much more:
Again, from OC Weekly
It’s what keeps us sane behind the Orange Curtain. : )
Sparkles the Iguana @ 129
Sparkles, something tells me you really don’t submit to too much ;-}
What’s the tune?
Cujo359 @ 148
:)Several bizaare characters have come out of Baja Oklahoma (Texas) I am told. ;)
montag @ 151
Doing my best O’Reilly imitation: “Siiick, just sick.” *cough*
BREAKING – Indiana Democrat Sen. Evan Bayh becomes the fifth politician to take formal steps towards a presidential run by officially forming a presidential exploratory committee.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 149
Well, it depends where you’re at…
The Lagunatics still march to their different drummer…
The Newporters and Surf City folks don’t give a crap about the “JEEZIS” stuff…
They’re Republicans for the money…
But go to the megachurches here, like Calvary Chapel (my old church) and TBN, and you’ll feel like you’re in the heart of Jesusland.
twolf1 @ 156
Joe don’t like him, he’s out!
OK, back to Gates…
It’s going to closed session now.
ya know that kneeling Santa photo at the Catholic Supply Site (”click for larger picture”) has “caption contest” written all over it.
just sayin’…
twolf1 @ 156
feel the Bayh-mentum
rwcole @ 113
Full immersion “dunking”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
This and two other “Tuna, Texas” plays were written by two Texans, presumably based somewhat on people they’d met over the years. There’s a little history in the website for the first play Greater Tuna, although I suspect the names have been changed, etc.
OT.
If, for some reason, you are not quite convinced that the Bush administration is full of criminals,
I give you this.
(WARNING, Remove easily thrown objects)
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/
johnSwifty @ 153
http://aggelia.com/midis/midis.shtml
Jesus Junk and Christmas Kitsch
oh Christy – thanks so much for the sorely needed chuckle w/ the inflatable manger – goodness
every Christmas, Mr. cbl saves his stocking for last as he knows it has all kinds of good stuff, ‘balanced’ with some kind of kitsch which has been trending ‘pious’ the last decade or so – starting with this -
http://wirelessdigest.typepad……nzilla.jpg
she actually emits sparks !
he brought this one to the office to p/o a fundie co worker
http://www.ftwinc.com/jb/images/jckarate.jpg
and what a shame I can’t find an image of the Our Lady Nail Clipper (in his pocket as I type)
apparently the General has highlighted a treasure trove for this year – am leaning towards the After Rapture Mints, but boy oh boy that Lock N Load ashtray sure is tempting*g*
http://www.misspoppy.com/
have at it heathens !
WWFSMD
this is the one that got my goat:
Repent ye sinners and shoppeth at Walmart as Jesus would do.
-GSD
Bustednuckles @ 164
Do you mean this one, about the ICE informant?
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..-same.html
Even for the DEA or whatever it’s called now, this is pretty sad. In this case, they weren’t even protecting their own agents from this guy.
Oh, I almost forgot….when I was at the Vatican I bought a Popener for a Catholic friend of mine – a bottle opener with the Pope’s visage on it.
punaise @ 169
Those people are insane. And I want a peace wreath.
Cujo,
Thats the one.
Horrifying.
The impression here is as long as Cheney and Rove are throwing the switches, it won’t matter who’s Secretary of what.
OT.
Taliban repel British assault.
Mullah Omar aint backing down.
Heckuva job Bush. 0 for 2 in winning wars.
-GSD
(Snip)
“A Reuters cameraman said the Marines initially faced only sporadic resistance but when they advanced, Taliban fighters launched a ferocious, organized riposte with heavy weapons and tried to outflank the British troops.”
Hmmm… I found an interesting link from CSPAN…
And I just put this on my blog:
50 House Members Want Outgoing Rep. Jim Leach (R-IA) to Replace Bolton as UN Ambassador
Sparkles the Iguana @ 165
Wow, it’s a hymnal smorgaasboard! I’m going to learn some new ones. My wife will want to thank you, I’m sure! Thanks.
twolf1 @ 156
I don’t think I’ve seen an interesting contender yet…let alone a voteworthy one. Wake me for the primaries.
mui @ 173
“Divisive”? This is perhaps a matter that needs to be brought before the ‘Great Uniter and Decider’. He, who is so wise.
Perhaps we need bum-sniffing dogs.
Flatulence forces plane to land.
-GSD
johnSwifty @
57
Ha ha! I’ve done the same thing. It annoys them to no end when you can quote more verses than they and then throw their own back at them in King James (fundies can’t handle King James).
I read the ‘writing’ of The Latter Day Saints just to experience that fun on equal opportunity levels.
You are devious ;-}
I once told a JW that I didn’t need someone to witness to me. I needed a friend. She never came back.
Punaise,
believe the martinet pres of homeowner assoc. got sacked late last week – will try to find link
wonder if their regs have anything to say about bumperstickers ?
http://www.maddogmedia.com/gayjunkie.jpg
Ambassador Joe Wilson, yesterday:
…As to Dems, the only one I would not lift a finger for is Evan Bayh. When asked about our case in an interview with Salon, Bayh said he was agnostic about the Wilsons. Enough said.
EvilDrPuma @ 179
Whoa. Hold on there pardner. You don’t find Hillary interesting? ;)))
montag @ 140
I didn’t see any, but I’d bet they can get them special order. Or maybe they have them, but only in the password protected members-only part of the site….
Just remember, Scalia’s deeply into that Opus Dei stuff, too…. Loves his pain, I guess.
Of possible interest – For a course I am taking, I read David Kuo’s book and then considered how the U.S. political system and media perpetuate religious stereotypes. I found my way to what I believe is still one of the most comprehensive religion studies undertaken, the Baylor Institute’s 2005 survey.
I imagine political strategists have parsed the data for their own purposes (cross tabs accessible to the layperson on the website) but thought others might appreciate learning more about variations among “Christians.”
If so, here is a link to the 2005 Baylor Religion Study raw data
A Sept 06 report based on the data is also available on the Baylor Institute website. More analysis and data collection apparently is planned.
Nan
Wasn’t that peace wreath complaint dropped and the homeowner’s assoc. head resigned?
Gotta wonder if Jesus bandaids help you heal faster…
http://www.mcphee.com/categories/christianity.html
cbl @ 183
thanks – that would be warranted
GSD @ 181
I heard that!
JackieBlue @ 166
The Naked Troll Nativity is a must-have. Send the link to all the porn spammers on your Christmas list!
GSD @ 181
So, what have we learned, kids? Farting on a plane is OK, but lighting it up isn’t.
This message brought to you by the TSA.
GSD @ 181
I thought that was Tony Blair’s job.
Religion?
Pfui.
Theengs would be better eef pipples just went back to worsheeping gatos,
as el Dio de los Gatos del Paradiso intended.
so.
Peace Wreath -
here is the Town’s response to the brouhaha – gotta love it
http://durangoherald.com/asp-b…..1130_1.htm
Bush gets early word on Iraq report
EvilDrPuma @
194
Blair is a ball-cupping toady.
-GSD
Aah! What memories this topic brings to mind. Growing up in Texas in the 70’s, every Thanksgiving weekend my mom would say ‘Damn, where is that wreath of ours?” We’d dig the same bedraggled wreath out year after year and hang it on the front door. Mom would pronounce with little optimism, “I hope this keeps the crazy Baptist neighbors at bay”.
As I recall, our next door neighbors at the time had a bumper sticker that said “God said it. I believe it. That settles it.” Yikes!
cbl @
196
yep, gotta love it:
twolf1 @ 96
Maybe because in WW2 we were defending good people; in this one we’ve invaded and occupied a country which was no threat to us?
Re: God and the Profit Margin
Gee, dont you realize that you are dissing the Protestant work ethic? This can be summarized as:
“Work hard, get rich, and that proves that God loves you”
montag @
146
You got me there.
bumpersnicker:
“I Never Thought I’d Miss Nixon…”
Virgie @ 199
In Texas and here in Oklahoma the Bapto’s can get outta hand.
“Yikes” That’s for damn shore!
Just when you thought that you’d seen just about everything – check this out:
http://www.kioskmarketplace.co….._16577.php
punaise @ 204
Hell. I miss Goldwater.
steve kyle @ 202
Believe it or not, there’s an infomercial on this theme. I’ve seen it once or twice while channel surfing.
I was a rebellious teen during the Nixon years -drove my dad nuts with a poster hung over a flag of a pregnant black woman with a campaign button exclaiming “Nixon’s the One”. I think we should come up with an Iraqi woman in burka saying something similar about Dubya.
surely there are opportunities for cross-marketing here….
jayt @ 201
Maybe because in WW2 we were defending ourselves, and in this case we’re just invading a country that didn’t attack us or declare war on us in the first place?
Jackie Blue @ 166 -
thanks so much for the kitsch link – the flogging Jesus lights alone . . .
honey, I wanna do something different with the yard this year
Joe Klein separated at birth.
-GSD
GSD @ 213
yikes!
Pundit Attacking Muslim Congressman Is Bush Appointee to Holocaust Memorial Board
new thread
old thread
twolf1 @ 215
don’t worry, LGF is all over it (via the Daou Report, scroll down on the right side):
Cordier @ 206
Is there a paper trail, I wonder….
Sparkles the Iguana @
219
electronic votive machines
Sparkles the Iguana @
78
Oh, yes! Got a sweatshirt with that logo on it for my priest in New York (who was a VERY proper Englishman). He outwardly “harrumphed,” but I know for a fact that he has a large collection of such items. He also got the sweatshirt with the California Raisins (remember them?) all wrapped up in Christmas lights with the sentiment: Jesus is the Raisin for the Saisin. Like I said earlier, you just can’t make this stuff up.
twolf1 @ 220
electronic votive machines
PoSitively devotional
Work hard. Find success. Be happy.
Piss off the liberals……
Sparkles the Iguana @
172
Ooooh, reminds me of the cast iron nun bottle opener… You short of shoved the bottle up under her habit… She must have had thighs of steel!
steve kyle @ 202
Yup. Read Max Weber’s “Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/WEBER/cover.html
This is my holiday letter (not Christmas–we no longer believe):
While checking out at our local Walgreen’s Pharmacy the other day, I looked at the items displayed for sale around the cash register: so much needless stuff is offered to us! I’ve also been watching all the electronics ads, and it seems to me that we are becoming more and more isolated from the real world to prefer the worlds of TV, DVDs, CDs, iPods, the Internet, and video games. So I’ve decided it’s time to stop the static and stuff in the following way:
Sending a note asking a friend or relative not to give me a gift for a birthday or a holiday, but to contribute to a charity instead.
Taking a child to a museum, zoo, or garden I have never seen before, and exploring it together.
Opening my heart to someone I dislike, and sending him or her good thoughts or prayers.
Putting a book I really liked in a public place, where someone else can find it and enjoy it.
I wanted to add Stop the Killing, but this is going to repub relatives. Wonderful post by everyone. Thank you all.
nikkolai @
223
Tell that to the conservative Republican congress that couldn’t muster 100 working days this year.
-GSD
The excellent Dover decision was exactly a year ago (not today!) It should be required ready as it traces the history of Creationism and Intelligent Design in this country as well as the Christianists assault on fact-based science. The court enforced the Establishment Clause of the Constitution and followed established law – Yet, this conservative court noted (pg 138) that it could labeled activist even though it made no new law.
How can anyone resist the temptation to be tempted?
Or at least I thought I was tempted…
OK, so it was just a temporary temptation. The new thread is much more tempting now.
Back when I started in broadcasting the radio station I worked for had a middle of the road format. I worked for doing news and sports. The FM side in the same building was religious. Any yokel could buy time claiming to be a minister and ask listeners for money.
Later I worked in TV out in Virginia. One of my beat areas was Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority. My next stop was Oklahoma and a beat area that included Oral Roberts.
All of the stops had a common thread.
When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.
6 But you, when you pray, enter into your inner chamber, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret Matthew 6:5-6
I grew up in a modest home in a modest church. My parents helped take care of the poor in our community, at least those poorer than we in the Appalachian Mountains. I like your description, Christy, and calling blow ups a lifestyle, but God help us, we don’t need all the spending and junk. Our family gives time each Christmas Eve to having each family member decide what worthy non-profit deserves support, and we send a check depending on how much we can afford. That is what Christmas is all about from our perspective.
Years ago, there was a letter to the editor in my local paper written by a pastor of one of the area churches. He was driving along and found himself behind a car with a bumper sticker reading “Honk if you love Jesus.” He was very skeptical toward such displays, but he decided to give the driver in front of him the benefit of the doubt.
He honked. The driver in front of him, a woman, gave him the finger
The UCC – The Untied Church of Christ, the most liberal denomnation in the country
I think the Unitarians have them beat by a little, but I approve of that kind of competition.
In the “new” (25 years old) subdivision in my town, there was for many years and obvious and escalating competition to see who could put on the most ostentatious light displays. Several very long blocks were lined by lighted milk jugs (Midwesterners will know what I’m talking about; those things freaked this coastie out at first). Houses, bushes, trees and lawns were decorated to the nines. We used to call one road “the alien landing strip” because we were sure that one day someone would mistake it for the nearby tiny airport and could only hope that someone would be from another planet.
For the past couple years, most folks have been toning it down. I don’t know if the Hatfield/McCoy spark went out of them or if the instigators died or moved away. I suspect what really happened is the the economy tanked and electric prices went up, but no one is saying.
My block, on the other hand, dotted with Victorian houses, is willfully dark each Christmas. Our biggest threat to a neighbor is that they will come home and find we’ve decorated their house with lights and santas. After several years of this, other folks figured out that we were the only ones getting sleep in December. More and more blocks are becoming intentionally dark, without a word being said about it. Sometimes, I really do love small towns.
BOLASM!!!!!!
Thanks, Christy, this was hilarious!
Whew… now I’ve got a stitch in my side from laughing so damn hard.
I give you
Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping.
http://reverendbilly.org/
Invite him to your mall for Christmas.
Jesus will love it.
I dunno. Seems to me the brush employed is a bit broad for the topic. In matters of religion, although I have generally respected opinions contrary to mine, I frankly don’t understand the allure of “churches” that equate success in business with faith – a kind of “God must be blessing my efforts, so my efforts must be good” But even here, I am loath to make general judgments about hypocrisy.
If there was one thing I learned as a lawyer, it is that every case depended on its particular facts and circumstances. I think this is particularly true in matters of faith and of conscience, and I think this extends to the religion of reason of the atheistically inclined.
I take no offense from people knocking on my door to proselytize, whether they be Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, or some other goofy, by my lights, sect. I generally tell them I am a Catholic, and thank them. If they ask me to join them in a prayer, which from time to time is the case, I tell them I consider prayer to be a private matter. Then I just shut the door.
The people who come to my door are simply following the commandment to spread the “good
news”, which is to a believer surely as important as is piety, as opposed to pietism.
The following bumper stickers are on my old ‘73 Dodge pickup: Navy Veteran. Texas Democrat.
Bush Sucks. War is not Pro-Life. A small wooden, hand-painted crucifix from El Salvador hangs from the inside rear view mirror.
I consider none of these to be in anyone’s face. They are simply political statements, and the cross is an expression of my faith. As for the “honk if you love Jesus” things, I think they are simply in bad taste and to be ignored.
But again, they are not, to my way of thinking, in anyone’s face. Such are, I think, the price we pay for living in a pluralistic society and for having a First Amendment.
Nor do I categorically decry the plastic creches or other religious displays on people’s lawns as a “lifestyle.” They may be in bad taste, but at bottom they are more in tune with the Christian celebration of Christmas overall than say, that ubiquitous red-nosed antlered interloper and the little drummer boy. That said, all are marvelous expressions of kitsch.