
Yes, this is a large, inflatable nativity scene that you can purchase for your front lawn. Why do you ask...
[Last year, I posted a tongue-in-cheek look at the profitable marketplace of religious lifestyle objects available for sale these days, and what I still see as their superficial role in the "lifestyle" of the "look at me" variety of person who wears their religion as loudly on their sleeve -- or bumper -- as they possibly can, versus the types of folks who feel that they must translate their faith into action, in helping the poor, the oppressed, the folks who truly need help, without the benefit of every human being in the neighborhood knowing each and every thing they do or believe, the latter being the sort of church in which I grew up -- and what I like to think of as humble faith, in contrast to what I see as bragging faith which, frankly, is often not translated into actions other than sticking stuff on the lawn or the car, in my experience around here. Is it the same where you are?
Every year around this time, I start to think that there are folks who think that Jesus owes them a higher profit margin, and are willing to do whatever it takes -- including leveraging other people's faith by whatever means necessary -- to get those profits. It is worth asking about that again this year -- and, as I have had a number of requests for this to be reprinted, I thought a discussion along these lines might be interesting for everyone. -- CHS]
I've decided that God is a capitalist. There's just no other explanation for why someone in my neighborhood bought a giant, air-filled snow globe with the Baby Jesus in it as their Christmas decoration this year.
Nothing says "We're religious!" quite like having an inflatable lawn ornament that pelts the Christ child with fake plastic snow bits, let me tell you. I feel diminished in the eyes of the Lord because we don't have one.
Is there something I missed in Sunday School at my Grandpa's church that said driving your car around with one of those fish things on it is a requirement? Or that Jesus loves you more because you wear a gold-plated filagree cross on every available jewelry wearing location? (With the exception of a few piercing locations that might be...erm..less than holy, although that might just be my own inhibition speaking.)
Does God truly get excited when you "Honk If You Are Pro Life," as a bumper sticker read on a Hummer I saw yesterday?
What about all those people with the signs in their yard that have the interchangeable biblical passage panels in them, so you can let the neighborhood know your religious sentiment of the day? Are you truly a better person because you have religious lawn decor and the guy next door only has those creepy little gnomes and a plastic waterfall garden?
Do you have any idea how much money those "Left Behind" guys are making, let alone the "Chicken Soup for the Soul" folks?
Religion is big business in this country. Just ask Ralph Reed. Or those teevee preachers that live in the multi-million dollar mansions and ride around in their Rolls Royce of the month.
Watch the 700 Club sometime and tell me it doesn't cost them a lot of money to keep a production studio like that going, week after week, and then think about how many little old ladies had to pull out their wallets and write out those checks to keep Pat Robertson and his staff on the air talking about assasinating Latin American presidents and bringing the wrath of God down upon little towns in Pennsylvania for voting out their fervently religious schoolboard in the last election.
Of course, sometimes the Lord works in mysterious ways. The AP and NYTimes report that the federal district judge hearing the Dover School Board case ruled today -- in favor of the parents who sued to get the Intelligent Design curriculum out of science classrooms in the county.
The decision today from Judge Jones (warning: PDF) is a detailed history lesson, and instructive as a case study on how to annoy a judge by lying to his face. He sure did crack me up when he called the no-longer-elected school board members inane (p. 138) and a bunch of liars who hold themselves out to be Christians (p. 137).
And I found it interesting that there is some legal group called the Thomas More Law Center that set themselves up to go around the country and prod school boards into being their test cases for religious experimentation. Talk about your public interest work! Hoo boy! I have to wonder how they still have tax exampt status, seeing how politically involved they are and everything, but it help to have friends in high places.
Oh, no disrespect to the Big Guy, I meant in the White House. Beg your pardon.
It's just that people sure do spend an awful lot of money trying to look more and more religious than their neighbors: only listening to the right radio stations, buying only the latest in fervent rock music, only wearing the approved sorts of clothes, only going on retreats sponsored by the appropriate sorts of groups that charge exhorbitant fees for them, only reading books on the approved lists from approved publishing houses wholly owned by approved religious businesspeople, only...well, you get the picture.
What happened to the whole "love thy neighbor" thing? The whole "do unto others," instead of just trying to look like a better person than the other guy by buying more licensed Jesus merchandise? Seems to me that money might be better spent on helping out the less fortunate instead of getting the latest from the Biblical video of the month club.
When did everyone decide that the only way to be religious is to get in the face of every human being you meet and demand that they believe exactly the same way that you do? I dunno, I've never been much for the Church of the Lemming, so I guess I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just too old school.
It sure isn't my Grandpa's church any more. It's not a religion, it's a lifestyle.
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fitz!
Yikes!
My grandfather was the most pious man I have ever met. He forbade wearing crosses in his house because the symbol of Christ’s martyrdom was not mean to be a fashion statement. He was extremely religious but nothing like the messiahs-in-sheep’s-clothing we see running around now.
Whatever happened to the poor? To “from each according to his gifts to each according to his needs”?
When did religious hate become a substitute for religious hate?
You need to add to this years note that they can have baby Jesus on the lawn but no peace symbol because that is satanic.
A block away from me, there is one particular house that made me laugh. They took so much time to properly decorate their yard/house so as to entice the second coming to occur right next to their azaleas. One thing that they probably didn’t count on was that when you are driving down the street, heading north, it looks like two of the wire-frame light-up motorized reindeer are mating.
At first I thought it was my dirty mind. But, it was later pointed out to me by two other independent sources.
As the Christmas displays get more and more lavish I think of all the good that we could do with the money spent. Imagine gifts of food and shelter, medicine and education?
I think of the billions we’ve spent to destroy Iraq. And the position we would be in if we had spent that money truly helping the poor. We might even be loved instead of reviled.
Heartbreaking really.
Jacob M @ 3
During the Civil Rights movement and the Anti-war movement, mainstream/liberal churches were very sucessful in framing the issue as a moral one and were very effective too. Since then a wingnut group was formed called the Institute For Religion and Democracy.
Their sole purpose is to disrupt mainstream American Protestant denominations by organizing stealth groups who think they are retruning Jesus to the church but are undermining the very denominations they support. They find fertile ground amongst the older more conservative folk who are uncomfortable with gay issues and putting women in the pulpit. They tell them that they need to “renew thier church” and in the process the church turns away from liberal social acivism and eventually becomes another Fundie church. And they have been very successful. Lots of demoninations especially in the midwest have lost congregations to “independent” - Fundementalist - denominations. The UCC - The Untied Church of Christ, the most liberal denomnation in the country, is trying to fingth back but it is a hard fight.
I know very little about religion. God does not talk to me. But I know a bit about the “golden rule”. Is the golden rule what Jesus was trying to instill?
Boy, I wish I could have been at your grandpa’s church…
When my mother sent me to “Christian school”, often they’d spend much of the time (no matter what the subject was supposed to be) talking about how Jesus wants us to be “God-fearing”, obedient, free-market-loving Republicans.
I’m with Calvin’s dad:
“Oh look, yet another Christmas TV special! How touching to have the meaning of Christmas brought to us by cola, fast food, and beer…. Who’d have ever guessed that product consumption, popular entertainment, and spirituality would mix so harmoniously?”
The good book had it right: “Money is the root of all evil.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
NO! Dontcha know that Jesus told his prophet on earth, George Dubya Bush, that we are supposed to do unto others as the free market would do unto them…
And, oh my heavens, if you name it…
And claim it in the name of the Lord…
It shall be yours!
Hallelujah, I’m gonna be RICH…
Oops, I meant God will bless me abundantly.
(Major dose of snark)
Biodun @
11
“The love of money is the root of all evil.” But that’s not in the book, is it?
johnSwifty @ 13
Oh, it is, it’s Timmeh!
Have you heard this verse, Matthew 6:5?
I think we need to ask Gates how he would fight the War on Christmas.
Did God create plastic snow?
Answer: What above can one buy and what above requires thought, compassion and non hypocritical behavior?
our very own modern version of tribalism.
johnSwifty @ 13
I know, but look at Christy’s next paragraph after the one I cited from.
Christy, have you been in my neighborhood lately? The next subdivision over has an inflatable manger scene, unbelievable.
IMHO, they are so afraid of being “corrupted” by society, they try to remake society in their image. Which totally misses the point. “My kingdom is not of this world.”
This is a great post Christy. The phenomena you describe above can be overlaid perfectly on those who support this war as well. American flags flying from their SUV’s with 10 different “Support the Troops” magnets made in China on their rear bumper under the big W in 04′ sticker that’s already fading.
Not a one of them would ever lift a finger to actually “Support the Troops” by sending them care packages or cutting a check to Operation Helmet or volunteering at their local veterans center. But each and every one of them would pounce on a wounded returning Iraq war veteran as being an unpatriotic coward if that veteran dared to speak out against “The Deciderer”.
I confess that I don’t understand these traits in people. And more importantly, I’m still not sure how to combat it. That being said, I think posts like this are a great start.
(I know that’s slightly off-topic from the religious nature of the post but I see these things as being related)
johnSwifty @ 13
It’s funny…
When I used to go to a VERY fundamentalist church, many of the snobby rich folks there would use the full verse as an excuse…
“Oh, but it isn’t a sin to have money…
It’s only a sin if you make it into an idol…”
Yep, and after they’d say this, they’d jump into their brand-spanking-new Mercedes and head over to their yachts for a pleasure ride around the harbor…
As the poor families in the church couldn’t even get help with food from the church food bank.
OT but yay! - House GOP pulls offshore drilling bill
From an old George Gerdes song: (in your best gospel voice)
I saw jesus, and she was black…
I saw jesus, and she was black…
I saw jesus, and she was black,
and you’d best believe, she’s comin’ back…
I saw jesus…
please excuse the brief OT - the afternoon session of gates’ hearing has just started on cspan-3. if christy prefers, we can use the previous thread for any discussion.
johnSwifty @ 14
So it is. OMG!
This is what Jesus had to say about it.
“Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
Pharisees were the local religious establishment, and they had political influence with the Roman occupation. Publicans were Jews who collected Roman taxes, and were the most despised class of citizen. I believe the reason Jesus frequently featured Pharisees and publicans in His parables was to point out that, in the end, there was no difference between the two. Both sold out their principles for money.
I also find it of interest the only time Jesus resorted to violence is when he drove the moneychangers from the temple.
I find the confluence of these two ancient lessons quite relevant to today’s religious scene.
Your Flag Decal Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore
I can’t really participate in this discussion, because I’m one of those secular humanists who believes that one can live a moral and ethical and inquisitive life without the aid of preachers….
The last time I went to church (apart from funerals of relatives, which was a matter of respect for them, not the institution) was when I was sixteen; the priest repeatedly asked me about my sex life, and especially wanted to know–as he had the previous five times in confession–if I had *wink, wink* “sinned against myself” (Catholic shorthand for jerking off). Finally, I told him it was “none of his fuckin’ business” and I got up and left for good.
Jesus was, by my reading, a decent man and a socialist (although, at times, a bit of a prig). But the mysteries are just fiction. By turning him into a magical figure, the preachers could accentuate the mystical and ignore the substance of what he said, and the retailers turned the five Walton heirs into the Wise Men….
Such is religion in the 21st sin-chew-ree….
Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Made everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far
That not much us really sacred.
-Bob Dylan, “It’s Alright Ma, (I’m Only Bleeding)”
Speaking of God, I wanted to mention that Richard Dawkins has written an excellent book entitled The God Delusion.
A great Christmas gift idea. I highly recommend it.
Here’s a link to the first chapter:
http://richarddawkins.net/godDelusion#firstChapter
twolf1 @ 28
John Prine is one of my favorites!
OT, but Taylor Marsh has been hired by MyDD and the SEIU to blog on the Nurses Lockout.
Yea, Taylor Marsh!!!
Biodun @ 19
I gotcha. The ultra religious do love to spend their money on that which seems to be awfully physical in nature, rather than spiritual.
I suppose one could make a case for a form of idolatry; I think one of the commandments had something to say about that….hmmm.
I refer now to an episode I saw recently of my patron Saint, Stephen Colbert (a very well studied catholic lad), talking to one of the proponents that a sculpture of the Ten Commandments should be placed on public property. Colbert simply asked the man, “Can you name the commandments.”
Surprise, Surprise, surprise…gooper could not.
It seem many of the “holier than thou” would fail that simple test.
Gee, what tripped the spam filter claymore wire? Priest?
Waltons?
Secular humanist?
Sin? :) (That would be funny….)
[Mod Note; none of the above. Find the brand name drug within a word that describes an economic model]
atdnext @ 22
I couldn’t agree more. Just made a post with the similar point about idolatry.
selise at 25 — feel free to use this one to continue to follow Gates, too. I just thought everyone could use a chuckle and a little discussion on the merits of “doing” rather than just “seeming to do.” If you know what I mean…
BTW Christy, i’m surprised at you. As i understand it, all inflatable mangers are filled, by law, only with CO2 from the nearest coal plant. Which prevents it escaping into what was once our atmosphere. If the law is being followed, than inflatable mangers are the first real religious carbon sinks!
Didn’t jesus say “Ask not what you can do with your inflatable manger, ask what your inflatable manger can do for, … wait, i’m confused.
Gates’ wife went to a basketball game instead of inflating her manger?
diogenes @ 27
i used to do a very evil thing whenever religious folk knocked on my door. i’d invite them in and talk with them about the bible until they wanted to run screaming from my house.
i was always polite, but my motivation was not good. it was revenge - pure and simple - for fundamentalist bs i had been taught and the pain it had caused me.
it felt good too, even now when i think back on it… sigh, i have so much evil karma to overcome.
*xyz @ 31
Sounds interesting…
After I left that fundy church, I began questioning everything about Christianity…
And before I knew it, I began wondering if there even is a god out there…
Lately, I’ve been leaning atheist…
But I still need some more questions answered before I can assure myself that there really isn’t a god out there.
Arjuna’s Bow beat me to it.
The word Pharisee is underutilized in the Left’s debate against the hypocrites who use religious posturing to advance their agenda.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
ok, thanks christy.
Jacob M @ 3
Maybe it’s growing up in New England with the historical influence of Puritanism, which frowned on religious symbolism including crucifixes, but I sympathize with your grandfather. Religion is not supposed to be a flashy car or a hood ornmament. I think that goes for other religions as well. We level headed folks are hemmed in by theoCons on all side.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
Precisely. Matthew 22:37-40 says:
“Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Seems pretty straightforward to me…
One of my favorite Dylan lyrics from Slow Train Coming describes “a flesh colored Christ that glows in the dark” - pretty much sums up the state of religion in the US
LET US PREY . . .
Oh Jesus, protect us from your followers.
amen.
johnSwifty @ 36
Precisely! As I wrote at 22, that’s what those fundies would say…
And then, they’d go back to idolizing their money.
Don’t get me wrong…
I know some genuine people of faith who also happen to be affluent…
They worship their god, not their wealth…
It’s just too bad that those other “supposed Christians” don’t practice what they preach.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
You got that right, Redd. The conformation process is definitely stacking up under the “seeming to do” category. And it’s not comedy; just tragedy. Montag provided some history…guess we’ve got the whole enchilada in terms of melodrama covered with the conformation hearings. But there’s always room for religious discussions. It is the jello of my life :)
selise @39 - I do that with JaWit’s. Once I only offered wine and crackers during the visit….) It was a very good wine.
i heart jane @ 46
At the very least, the ones in polyester….
catfood @ 30 - just went back in the thread and noticed you quoted Dylan here too - guess we are thinking alike today.
Inflatable mangers eh? We don’t have any of those yet. We only have what COSTCO sells-and I don’t believe that they handle inflatable mangers.
EVERYONE in our neighborhood shops at COSTCO– and eats the same cheese and drinks the same australian wine..If you go into someone else’s house- you think you are in yer own- cause they have the same stuff you do..
I don’t think COSTCO people would WANT inflatable mangers scenes–people might think that they’re - well- tasteless–or pee-culiliar. Lights are OK. A few people have them big inflatable Santas- but I don’t think they come from COSTCO either.. If ya don’t see it at Starbucks- it don’t belong in yer yard.
30 or so years ago, when “Honk If You Love Jesus” bumper stickers were popular, I was behind a car with the sticker at a traffic light. When it went green and she didn’t move for a couple of seconds I honked, whereupon she turned around and gave me the finger.
montag @
29
I disagree, montag. I am one of those weirdo religious types who believes there’s room at the table for everybody.
We could have an interesting philosophical discussion regarding the origins of ethics, but I believe we’d both conclude the application is more relevant.
The Good Book says we will be judged by how we treat the less fortunate. The action is the imperative: what prompts you to act is your business.
atdnext @ 40
I hope you have a chance to read this book - Richard Dawkins will surely help to address many of your questions. He is a very entertaining writer and extremely fun to read. Also, he is right about this God stuff.
Sam Harris is also a great atheist writer. He has written The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. I recommend both.
For years we’ve had a tradition of getting our priest the tackiest religious item we can find as his Christmas gift. This year he’s getting the “Jesus Loves You” Sandals from www.shoesofthefisherman.com. You can’t make this shit up. I’ve also found the St. Sebastian pincushion, the 10 Commandments soap, the Talking With God coloring book, oh, I could go on and on…
selise @ 39
Ha ha! I’ve done the same thing. It annoys them to no end when you can quote more verses than they and then throw their own back at them in King James (fundies can’t handle King James).
I read the ‘writing’ of The Latter Day Saints just to experience that fun on equal opportunity levels.
You are devious ;-}
In today’s world- religion is an aesthetic judgement- would you like to be seen WEARING it?
Edward Kennedy up at Gates conf hearing
Thanks for this post, Christy. I think you got that right…it is a lifestyle. This practice of individuals showcasing their religious beliefs has been a source of consternation for me for a very long time. It’s just weird to me and I know and am related to a lot of people who do it with bumper stickers, religious decorations for just about every holiday, etc. I’m also curious about people who go to these huge mega-churches. Personally, I think they do it for entertainment or as some sort of a social outing, not to worship. I just don’t know what these huge churches do for their communities other than fill their coffers and build bigger and bigger churches. The little Episcopal Church that I attend is one of the smallest churches in our town, structurally and congregation-wise and we support a free-lunch program for anyone who is hungry five days a week. We fed 5,000 people in one year alone. There are lots of churches in town with far more financial support, with bigger facilities, lots more members, but it’s our tiny little church that feeds the hungry.
twolf1 @ 59
Do you think there’s a chance for serious questions?
And pardon my ignorance, twolf1, but is the brilliant J Prine still making great songs?
Wouldn’t it be embarassing ta be one of them fundies in them big ol churches holdin up yer hands and readin the bouncing ball to sing the Jesus Rock music? I mean- REALLY! What do their neighbors think?
twolf1 @ 59
thank you teddy for bringing up the MCA and torture.
The November issue of Wired has a cover article on the New Athiesm that’s quite informative. There are pretty good summaries of the recent writings of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris on the topic. Also, Wired News has links to all the letters they received about it.
http://www.wired.com/wired/arc.....heism.html
Here’ the letters link.
http://blog.wired.com/letters/.....index.html
(With the exception of a few piercing locations that might be…erm..less than holy, although that might just be my own inhibition speaking.)
If they’re pierced, wouldn’t they be “holy” by definition?
Marion in Savannah @ 56
I am so getting a camouflage zippered cover for my Bible.
http://www.yourbiblecovers.com
selise @ 39
Oh yeah, I went to church four times a week and 8 years of church school.
Even back then, I was a problem child - very polite, but “why this” and “why that?”
There’s nothing like talking to them in their native tongue!
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12
The inflatable lawn ornaments are as cheesy as they come. But what is really funny is that in the morning when people turn off the fans, there are dozens of dead Santas and Frostys all over the lawns.
One of these days, I’m going to go all CSI and draw chalk marks around them and tape off the crime scene. ;-)
rwcole @ 62
You know, I’m torn on that one; when I think, “What would Jesus do,” I’m left with the realization that he would have rocked, and rocked hard. Of course, that does kinda take mainstream christian music out of the equation, so I guess you’re right.
ot
cheney is going to “preside over the senate”
I’m hoping he recieves the type of reception from the democrats he deserves
Ah, yes. But, if you really want to make a point with your yard display, you can buy one of these:
http://www.catholicsupply.com/.....santa.html
After all, in the words of their web page:
Riiiiiiiiight.
So, we have him genuflecting at a manger. Interior ornaments from $4.99. Holy cards (like the nuns used to give for good answers in catechism class) with The Big Guy and Baby Jesus, in bulk (item 10578), a quarter each. For a mere $99.95 (on sale through Saturday!), you can buy a lighted version for the yard (scroll down, item 27760), or the holographic lighted version (item 26768).
What the good folks at Catholic Supply aren’t telling us is that, in ‘murca today, Santa Claus is God is Santa Claus.
Crazy Horse @
61
1) Doubtful
2) Currently touring
Crazy Horse @ 61
Indeed, he is, although his voice changed a bit after the throat surgery. I think this one is recent
My favorite “nudging the Lord” story is the one where Evangelical Christians and conservative Jews got together to breed the “red heifer” in Israel. The Jews see the red heifer as necessary to rebuild the Temple and the Evangelicals see the Temple as necessary to bring on the Last Days. The two principal figures in this Breeding for the Lord and Apocalypse Advancement program are Clyde Lott and Chaim Richman. They formed a partnership with the stipulation that if Clyde gets raptured, Chaim will carry on.
A long article on this can be found at frontline:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/.....rcing.html
closing tags?
portia.vz @ 68
Funny…. /giggling at the thought of it–there’s one across the street from me/
Couple thoughts. I’m not a religious person, but I got to church every sunday. Confusing, but whatever…
Religion has always been a lifestyle. And it still is. Every week they ask for someone to make dinner for 30 homeless men, make 110 dozen cookies for the prison, babysit at the womens shelter during classes, etc. Huge lifestyle impact. I feel bad that I don’t volunteer more than 3-4 times a year, but that’s something I’ll have to live with myself.
The mainstream Christian churches did themselves, their congregation and the country a disservice in the 70’s by pushing a broad civil rights agenda really hard.
For a long time before the 60’s, congregations had been talking about the injustices of poverty, lack of education, etc. due to the segration of blacks in this country. It was easy to tie that to direct teachings about helping the down trodden. And the mainstream churches had their heyday as they stood shoulder to shoulder with civil rights protesters in the 60’s. Pure act of religious consciense.
But the leaders of these churches kept pushing after that victory. They wanted to incorporate women into the clergy, support gay rights, support gay clergy, etc. These were good goals, but they started at the top rather than starting in the sermon. The congregations were not there and it undermined the “mainstream” religions in this country and led to a lot of people becoming agnostic or joining “alternative” churches.
I think it was a mistake and enabled the religious right. They should have taken it a little slower and started by educating the pastors that speak every sunday.
Hindsight is 20/20, but I really think we could have made it much further. “Mainstream” churches lost control of the “christian” message.
So when MSM picks “christian leaders” to give their message - it’s no longer unconditional love, charity, helping the needing, and the general ‘Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these, my brethern, ye have done it unto me’. Instead it’s hating abortion, hating gays, hating the sin in your neighbor, etc.
And that’s because the mainstream churches got to far in front of their congregations - sad, but I think it’s true.
Oh NO WAY !!
http://www.yourbiblecovers.com.....real-red-L
here’s the link to cheney prsiding over the senate
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com.....17081.aspx
rwcole @ 62
As a former fundy myself, I can tell you that many of these folks wouldn’t care what their “pagan neighbors” think…
“At least, I’m goin’ to HEAVEN to be with JEEZIS! I’m goin’ up to see my Lord when the Rapture happens… And if those unbelievin’ pagans don’t wanna accept JEEZIS as their Lord and Savior, then they’ll just have to suffer thru those End Times.”
Marion in Savannah @ 56
Recently I went to see an exhibit of the Dead Sea Scrolls at a Seattle museum. It was incredible. But the reason I mention this is the gift shop at the end of the exhibit. Museums always have them because they’re a great way to supplement their budgets. It’s hard to commercialize ancient religious texts, other than books about the exhibit, but someone tried!
They sold a “spa kit” with Dead Sea Mineral Mud, Dead Sea Mineral Soap and Dead Sea Bath Salts, made with actual Dead Sea Salts! I just about choked.
ack. sessions and gates love-fest.
scribe @ 71
So, we have him genuflecting at a manger. Interior ornaments from $4.99. Holy cards (like the nuns used to give for good answers in catechism class) with The Big Guy and Baby Jesus, in bulk (item 10578), a quarter each. For a mere $99.95 (on sale through Saturday!), you can buy a lighted version for the yard (scroll down, item 27760), or the holographic lighted version (item 26768).
Making your lawn look like something out of “Close Encounters” for the second coming to land on…..PRICELESS!
rwcole @ 62
You lakers have forgotten the value to amurka from Fundey churches. After the soul savings and rendering unto Haggard were collected, way after, as Levon Helm likes to point out, came the Midnight Ramble.
Without the Midnight Ramble, there would have been no elvis.
Elvis… destroyed by the GW Carver Negroe peanut butter conspiracy.
(What a good name for a band?)
I must say… I have gone so far off religion that I wish it would just go away. It’s gone way past perverted now… and it seems that more harm is being done than good.
It’s time for ethical secular humanist to be in ascendance. The god people had their chance and botched it up for everyone.
Should Jesus ever return, I feel he would be more Buddhist than Baptist.
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That stuff rocks. Where can we buy statuettes of the Easter Bunny praying at Golgotha?
I sometimes answer the door and talk to the Mormons who come around, because I am really curious to see how they’re doing in CT (The land of steady habits for Gosh sakes!) I ask them where they’re from, because they look uncomfortable and out of place. It’s usually Utah or California. And then they get more uncomfortable when I start asking them about neighbors’ reactions (not specific, but the population in general) and so on.
I know at least one Catholic originally from the North who lived in the South for many years, and she used to go ballistic when she talked about some of the in-your-face King James Bible stuff. I can’t imagine why the likes of Hannity and O’Reilly would actually side with the TheoCons who probably have some pretty strong bias.
I think that people quit goin to the mainstream churches cause they fell asleep inside em- and everything got REAL complicated- and not very interesting…
The NEW churches have ROCK music- ROCK BANDS right there in the front of the church- and the best lookin girls getta sing rock songs and practice eating the microphone- and every body stands up and reaches up with their hands and acts like they’re in the middle of an orgasm…
An the preacher tells ya that if ya “accept Jesus” well that’s all there is to it- ya don’t have to do anything else- yer saved…
It’s christianity LITE>
When I wanted to be Baptized at the age of six I was told I must first believe in the devil as well as jesus. I waited a couple of weeks before claiming my new found belief. Once I was submerged in a rather large indoor pool high above the sanctuary during sunday service the pastor must have started rambling because I was under water for quite awhile before I bit him!
I think it may have been the last day I attended a baptist church.
..a giant, air-filled snow globe with the Baby Jesus in it ..
Bubble Christ!
…Would make the ‘laying on hands’ stuff problematic, ‘tho…
The bible cover with matching cell phone holder is my favorite! /snark
Gates will surely be affirmed. Cheney likes yes (facilitator) men. And Bush likes yes (enabler) women.
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Man do I HATE those cheapie plastic Nativity scenes. They’re hideous and tacky,and not in a fun way,like plastic pink flamingos. I’m afraid if one of those inflatables shows up in the neighborhood I’m going to be mighty tempted to casually stick pins in it. I think I have an old fashioned hat pin around here somewhere….
It’s truly stunning to me the disconnect many of these people have. Don’t worship false idols or graven images,ha,what the hell would you call a giant granite 10 Commandments?
There are actually “Christian exercise classes”here in the Atlanta ‘burbs. Being curious I called the church and asked if this was just a regular exercise class or if it had a religious theme. Heehee. No Yoga allowed,that’s Satanic. And only “certain”music is allowed,nothing”secular” is played in the classes. Women may not wear shorts,even though the classes are for women and led by women. Yipes. I can’t imagine living my life scared of so much that even YOGA is a bad thing. Blah.
John Warner is wondering why there isn’t support for the Iraq war as there was for WW2