
[Amb. Joe Wilson joins us for discussion in the comments. As always, with guests at FDL, please be polite and stay on topic for the course of the discussion herein. Please join me in giving Amb. Wilson a big FDL welcome. -- CHS]
Amb. Joseph Wilson has graciously agreed to join in on a discussion here today regarding the mess that is Iraq, diplomacy, regional difficulties, the potential for American soliders having to fight their way out if and when we finally do leave Iraq and a whole host of other issues surrounding the chaotic failure in which the Bush Administration has mired us. (My words, not Joe's -- I'll let him characterize this on his own in the comments.)
From Amb. Wilson's Book The Politics of Truth, we find his long record of service to this nation as a diplomat:
1976-1978: General Services Officer, Niamey, Niger
1978-1979: Administrative Office, Lomé, Togo
1979-1981: Administrative Officer, U.S. State Department, Washington, D.C.
1981-1982: Administrative Officer, Pretoria, South Africa
1982-1985: Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM), Bujumbura, Burundi
1985-1986: Congressional Fellow, offices of Senator Al Gore and Representative Tom Foley
1986-1988: DCM, Brazzaville, Republic of the Congo
1988-1991: DCM, Baghdad, Iraq
1992-1995: Ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and Príncipe
1995-1997: Political Adviser to Commander in Chief U.S. Armed Forces, Europe EUCOM, Stuttgart, Germany
1997-1998: Special Assistant to President Bill Clinton and Senior Director for African Affairs, National Security Council, Washington, D.C. (p. 451)
While Amb. Wilson was the Deputy Chief of Mission in Iraq, he was put to the test by none other than Saddam himself:
As acting ambassador to Iraq in the run-up to the first Gulf War, he was the last US diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein, in 1991.He very publicly defied the Iraqi strongman by giving refuge to more than 100 US citizens at the embassy and in the homes of US diplomats - at a time when Saddam Hussein was threatening to execute anyone who harboured foreigners.
He then addressed journalists wearing a hangman's noose instead of a necktie.
He later told the Washington Post newspaper that the message to Saddam Hussein was: "If you want to execute me, I'll bring my own [expletive] rope."
It is this background that Amb. Wilson brings to the table for today's discussion -- a long history of serving this nation in the field as a diplomat in the center of any number of ethnic, regional and substantial conflicts across the continent of Africa and within Iraq itself, and as an advisor to both military and Presidential national security considerations and to Congressional offices charged with providing sorely needed oversight.
With that in mind, let's look back at some historical context provided by Steve Gilliard in a post last night regarding US retreat from combat operations in the past -- and what lessons we should take from those retreats for the current situation in Iraq. As Steve concludes:
One of the things Americans have to get over is their belief in American superiority. An American army can be decimated in a retreat, even by an enemy without airpower. The problem for the US Army in any retreat from Iraq will be the thousands of Iraqis who will want to flee with them and the thousands of POG's (people other than grunts), who will be in that convoy. They might not do so well when they're attacked.Looking at the roads of Iraq, there are only a few routes south, and they can be blocked and fought over. Which makes leaving in a fighting retreat difficult.
Which makes whatever considerations are being given to such an exit all the more critical -- this cannot be done without careful and adequate planning for the worst case scenarios, something that the Bush Administration so clearly failed at doing in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq for the extended period of occupation in which we have been mired the past three years and counting.
On NPR this morning, there was a surprisingly candid and insightful interview with Vali Nasr, author of The Shia Revival: How Conflicts within Islam will Shape the Future and a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School. During the course of the interview, he says:
"We are not able to control events that keep escalating," Nasr tells Steve Inskeep. "We might be able to control the tempo of it, but we cannot easily stop it at this juncture."A civil war isn't necessary, Nasr says, "but it is necessary to finalize the distribution of power in Iraq. And without a viable political road map, one that the various factions are willing to sit down and negotiate around, increasingly it's evident that the fate of the country is going to be decided by gunmen on the street, and that's what we're increasingly seeing...."
What would happen if the U.S. stepped out of the way?
"There would be a big battle for power in Baghdad and also there would be a big battle between the Shiites and Sunnis and ultimately between the Sunnis and the Kurds over who gets what and where does each stand once the dust settles," Nasr says.
It would be a "much more severe conflict -- which then we can actually call a civil war -- over who gets Baghdad, who gets Kirkuk, who gets Mosul, and where... the ultimate lines between these constituent parts of Iraq will lay."
While this is a single perspective on this mess, the thing that reverberated for me in this interview was that there has been -- and continues to be -- no political roadmap. It is simply a "git er done" fiat from the Bush Administration to a nation that was cobbled together by colonial powers back in the heyday of imperialism, and an expectation that they will somehow be able to figure out for themselves, after years and years of conflict and oppression, how to be "democratic" while staring down the barrel of yet another gun. It is madness, and it is a set-up for failure from the start. And the Bush Administration ought to have known this, and planned for contingency interventions along the way -- but their failed approach to some sort of "hands off style of diplomacy" has not allowed them to do so. And we are all reaping the costs of it as a result.
With headlines like the recent one in the LATimes "Mideast Allies Near A State Of Panic" and in Australia's The Age "Mideast Too Complex For America," and even a late-planted stiletto from Bob Novak in today's WaPo entitled "Bush's Shrinking Options," it is no secret that expectations for the Bush Administration's handling of this mess are abysmally low.
But that leaves our military personnel, our diplomatic staff and the countless aid workers and infrastructure builders in an untenable position. And these folks all deserve far better from all of us than that.
With the ISG's report put off until likely some time in January, we felt that it was high time some serious discussion took place publicly about the potential for increasing chaos, the problems inherent in the current situtation and in any of the possible solutions that have been discussed thus far in the public arena. And Amb. Joseph Wilson joins us today in the comments to do just that. I look forward to some good debate, some in-depth questions and a lot of frank discussion.
Please join me in welcoming Ambassador Joseph Wilson.
UPDATE: As reader Hugh points out, the ISG site now lists Dec. 6th, 2006 as the release date for the report.
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Thanks so much for being here today, Joe. I know people have lot of questions and really appreciate you taking the time to answer them.
As Christy said, if you have any off-topic comments, please feel free to leave them in the previous thread.
Hello Ambassador,
Thanks for standing up for our country, and for coming here to FDL.
Two questions:
Four US helicopters went down in the Anbar Province this past week, in addition to the F-16 crash there last Monday. Would you speculate as to the likely cause of this sudden increase in crash frequency, and if due to new weapons going into the province, would you care to speculate on likely sources of those weapons?
Second, and mildly OT: what is the status of your and Valerie’s legal fund, and would you like me to donate? =)
Cheers,
Marc Lord
Welcome, Mr. Ambassador.
Ambassador Wilson, thank you so much for visiting Firedoglake.
Wrt the Middle East, I picked this distinction up between “fixers” and “spoilers” from Dennis Ross, a Clinton Middle East expert on the (Jim Lehrer) News Hour.
I was just wondering if you wanted to respond/react to Mr. Ross’ comments.
Deepest wishes to you and Valerie for a blessed holiday season. For many of us you two and your children are the “First Family.”
Ambassador Wilson. It sounds so much better that Ambassador ‘Yosemite Sam’ Bolton.
I’d like to know if your fundraising site for the lawsuit is still up and running. After spending good money on good results in November, I’d like to still be able to contribute to the good.
Ambassador Wilson,
Do you have an opinion on Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense?
Thank you, it’s great to see you here again!
Welcome, Amb. Wilson. Wish it were a cheerier topic, but we are delighted to discuss it with you here today.
Welcome Welcome Ambassador.
One question.
Can you name one diplomat, that you know of, who would have more experience and aplomb(other than yourself) who could possibly have any impact reguarding talks in Iraq?
I too salute you, Joe, for your family’s courage and patriotism.
Do you think there’s any realistic likelihood that Bush would take any sort of unilateral military action against Iran in 2007?
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MarcLord @ 2
Great to be here today. Thanks to Jane and Christy and everybody at FDL (and of course Howie) for all you do.
As to the frequency of helo crashes, I have no idea. It is not impossible that standards of maintenance are slipping and that ops tempo of the equipment is making their performance less reliable. It is also possible it is a spate of bad luck, or that the insurgents are getting better at targetting.
As to the legal fund, www.wilsonsupport.org is the site to go to. We will be filing responses to the defendents motions to dismiss by mid January. Our goal is to depose them. theirs is to avoid that prospect.
Welcome back, Joe. It’s a delight to have you and I’m looking forward, with great trepidation, to your insights.
Ambassador Wilson. Welcome and thank you for being here.
What an honor to have Ambassador Wilson join the firepups - thank you for offering to share your expertise with us!
Ambassador Wilson. Welcome! Thank you for your service and being here today. Hope is needed in this country and individuals like you who speak truth to power provide it. Thank you!
Ambassador Wilson, thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to meet with us. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on Iraq.
Do you see any way out?
John Casper @ 4
The utility of engaging Iraq’s neighbors and indeed all the backers of the various insurgent groups is to bring additional pressure to bear on the insurgents to channel their differences into political negotiations and to provide guarantors to any compromises that they might be called upon to make. As Dennis well knows, one of the roles of the US over the years has been to be the guarantor that any compromises made in the Arab Israeli peace process would not be the beginning of the end for the state of Israel.
Iraqi factions may not be able to find the necessary compromises without outside pressure and guarantees.
Siun @ 13
hear, hear! thank you for joining us today.
Mr. Ambassador, well come, sir! If you are not already working on a response, I feel John Casper’s question at #4 is a vital one.
Hello, Ambassador. Who would you like to see as Ambassador to the UN now that Bolton is leaving? And who would you like to see as Ambassador to Iraq, since it’s rumored Kahlilzad may be leaving?
Forget whether or not the Bush administration would like them, who would do the best job? Thanks so much.
An honor, Ambassador Wilson, thank you for visiting the lake.
Perhaps you could share your thoughts on Bolton’s UN tenure, as well who might (should) replace him?
Ambassador Wilson, welcome.
You will get a few questions as to what, in your opinion, we should do about Iraq.
My questions are: What will Bush do? Why do you think that?
Bustednuckles(Phil) @ 8
I have a lot of respect for Jim Baker. He is tough enough, experienced enough and savvy enough to pull a rabbit out of the hat if there is one in there. The problem is we are so far down the road on the way to chaos that there may not be any way to stop this until all sides are exhausted. The question is not whether the situation has become a civil war but rather whether it has degenerated from a civil war to out and out anarchy and a failed state.
Thanks for being here today. And thanks to both you and your wife for keeping this administration’s feet to fire with your case.
The situation right now sounds like damned if you and damned if you don’t. For Americans and Iraqis.
What are your ideas on what to do that is least bad?
Is there any will among the factions to solve their problems without war if the Americans leave?
Was there something I missed?
http://www.usip.org/isg/news_r.....rence.html
Welcome Ambassador.
This question may have been asked and answered, and I missed it.
Given your portfolio in Bush 41’s administration, Cheney had to know you then.
The impression that Cheney and the media gives is that you were an unknown quantity when Cheney was leaking Valerie’s credentials.
Cheney knew exactly who you were, had a history with you in Bush 41, and knew exactly who he was damaging, right?
Thank you and your wife for your service.
Hugh at 24 — As of this morning, they were still planning on an early January announcement that I could find. Interesting that there is something planned for December. Pre-holiday news dump?
Ambassador Wilson,
As I look at the various regional leaders, King Abdullah of Jordan stands out to me as one who best understands both his own nation/region and also the US and the West. What is your sense of the different leaders in the middle east, and their ability to be the kind of “honest broker” needed to begin to bring some order out of chaos in Iraq and elsewhere in the region?
Joe Wilson @ 22
I was so hoping to read something else, but that really seems to be the final crux of the matter.
Are there touchpoints to determine just how ‘failed’ the state of the state, in hopes of gaging (as Steve G has shown), the actual difficulties in getting our kids home?
I heard on the BBC last night that Kofi Annan said Iraq has gone beyond civil war and that he regrets not being able to stop the war before it began.
Amb. Wilson:
Ret. Navy Commander Jeff Huber opined that Russia and China have already cut their energy deals with Iran and have no intention of supporting the U.S. in any negotiations that would pressure Iran. Do you agree? Does it seem like President Bush has lost all credibility to negotiate in the ME? Will everyone just humor him until he leaves office in two years? …. to the detriment of any peace in Iraq?
(sorry that’s so many questions).
Ambassador Wilson, could you comment on aan item from Juan Cole’s blog this morning where a Sunni block in parlament is working with the Sadar block to form a colalition to preserve Irag’s unity.
It seems to me so definite lines are being drawn against the partition block.
Joe at 22 — What a mess — choose between utter chaos or anarchy? *shaking head here*
Joe Wilson @
22
Absolutely. I think that media outlets arguing on whether or not to call it a “civil war” are a bit behind the curve.
Ambassador Wilson,
Welcome. I’ve gotten the impression that the Saudis want the US to remain in Iraq. Have I misinterpreted? How does our presence in Iraq benefit the Saudis?
Good afternoon Mr. Ambassador:
What actions should we take to make the inevitable (but perhaps very drawn-out) withdrawal of our troops, support personnel, and private contractors more orderly and less prone to a terrible chaos? Is it staging things properly in tandem with strong diplomatic actions?
Also, how (if at all) should we be engaging with different leaders of the insurgency (such as Al-Sadr)?
Just a drive-by to give a big hello to all the FDLers and a special welcome to Ambassador Wilson.
johnSwifty @ 28
I think that statement of yours really kindled a desire for a lot of people to have you here, Joe. Can you elaborate on your comment that you’re afraid they’ll have to fight their way out?
Suzanne @ 15
It is tough but I think that we should reshape the debate domestically from the terms currently in use (stay the course, cut and run; strategic redeployment, timetables, and withdrawal) to one in which we consider what it is we are asking our troops to do at this stage of the occupation and whether what they are doing is in our strategic of operational interest. If not they shouldn’t be doing it. The military talks of deployments in terms of troop to task ratios and force protection requirements. We should too.
In short, we should ask the generals to justify the national security requirement of every task US troops are undertaking and if the case cannot be made they shouldn’t be doing it. For example, a couple of soldiers were killed a few months ago, their bodies were mutilated and booby trapped. Jon Kyl argued that we should stay in Iraq to honor their sacrifice. I asked what were they doing that brought them into harm’s way. they were guarding a bridge. Isn’t it legitimate to ask whether it is appropriate for American troops to be guarding bridges this late in the occupation.
So, we should not put Americans unneccessarily in harm’s way, we should not use American firepower to unneccessarily kill Iraqis, we should call on the President to actually take the advice his military commanders have been giving him that he needs to find a political solution and we should reinvigorate the middle east peace process from which we have been awol for six years. But make no mistake about it, it is a tough situation and will require a lot of what the president calls hard work.
This is what keeps me up at night (literally) - from Steve Gilliard last night on the Lake.
Welcome, Ambassador Wilson, thank you for all you’ve done for our country.
My question relates to an interview with Robert Fisk:
“The real question I ask myself is: who are these people who are trying to provoke the civil war?”
http://www.informationclearing.....e12137.htm
Does a civil war in Iraq need provoking? Or does it do that on its own? This statement by Fisk surprised me.
TheOtherWA @ 19
I think Jim Leach or Bob Kimmitt would be good choices for the UN. Ryan Crocker is who I hear is in line for Baghdad. He is a career diplomat and one of the best I know. He has been intimately involved in things Iraqi for a good part of his career, including in the first gulf war and as the director of the State dept. effort to put together a post war plan in the runup to the 2nd gulf war. It is an almost unbelievably tough job. I have great respect for the efforts of Khalilzad, despite my distaste for his brand of neoconservatism when he was promoting policies.
But make no mistake about it, it is a tough situation and will require a lot of what the president calls hard work.If Bush is the “decider”, we’re doomed. Isn’t there any way around Bush?
Thank you for sharing your time and insight with us.
Could you please comment on the likelyhood of the Iraq war escalting to a point that armed conflict begins among the regional powers (Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Israel and others) for either self preservation or the oil wealth of Iraq.
Ambassador Wilson,
Thank you for all you’ve done, especially making yourself available to ordinary citizens.
On my recent flight to the US, I sat with some reservists who say they are due to be rotated back into Iraq in 2008. I don’t have the sense that there will be any meaningful US presence in Iraq at that date. It does look like the Pentagon, though, has plans set rather firmly in that direction, doesn’t it?
Ambassador Wilson -
Several weeks ago, Brian Katulis reported the following on ThinkProgress:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....vil-war-4/
What is your assessment of the observations reported above?
Looking beyond Iraq, what other conflicts do you think are likely to erupt in Iraq and/or elsewhere in the Middle East if the United States were to do one or more of the following: (1) extricate itself as expeditiously as possible from Iraq; (2) remain in Iraq indefinitely; or (3) embark upon a military campaign against neighboring countries in the Middle East?
My immedicate reaction to the portentous announcement that NBC was now willing to call Iraq a “civil war” was that they were arriving at that conclusion just as Iraq was on the cusp of becoming a failed state.
The LA Times refers to US allies in the mideast as “near panic”-an understandable reaction for anyone in the immediate neighborhood I think.
Is there any route that can mitigate the repurcussions of the Iraqi civil war on the far-too-brittle governments of the region?
diogenes @ 25
Is diogenes right. Was Cheney operating in full knowledge of you and your wife’s situation?
I probably know the answer to that; and let me save you from responding by simply echoing many here who hold you in such high regard for pushing back against Cheney and the rest when no one else had the decency and courage to stand up and do so.
Many times I have heard you speak and deny your own heroism in the matter, stating, “Anyone would have done the same in my position.”
I tell you sir, you are very wrong. Not many, not many at all anymore, would have shown a fraction of the honor you have shown.
Welcome Ambassador and thank you very much for being here.
I read a report from HRW regarding the million(s) of displaced Iraqis (internally and externally) that are relying heavily on neighboring countries for help and that those displaced are not given “refugee” status by their neighbors or the US. They are sent back (if found) to the ravaged and dangerous country of Iraq.
I would think that these poor folk are our responsibility under International law and that our occupation and abysmal failure to provide stability and safety have long term repercussions that we have not even dreamed of.
Christy,
Not to belabor the point, but the ISG report according to the ISG site itself (which I cite above) is to be released in two days. The original time frame was in about year of the ISG’s creation which would have been in March or April 2007. This was changed before the election to January 2007 and then as events in Iraq accelerated to mid December and finally December 6, 2006.
Ambassador Wilson, thanks for taking the time out.
A ‘talking shop’ question: do you have any sense of how the US diplomatic mission in Baghdad is functioning right now? There’s talk of Zal Khalilzad leaving his post, and while the worst days of the ‘Emerald City’ have gone, there’s still a sense that this huge new mission doesn’t quite have the purpose to match its stature.
And given the size of the mission, what would it take to protect or evacuate it should the situation go downhill fast?
Hugh at 49 — thanks much. If you have a link on that, I’ll post an update above.
Peterr @ 27
I continue to believe that the road to peace in the Middle East goes through Jerusalem and that we need to be involved in that process.
We also need to stop demonizing other Middle Eastern leaders, make them investors in a solution or at least in a process that moves the battle from the streets to conference tables. We used our credibility and our leadership capacity coming out of the first gulf war to bring every body to Madrid. That required Presidential leadership and Secstate elbow grease. It was a good model even if we are sorely lacking in the credibility and leadership areas right now.
Twobits @ 43
There are already the beginnings of proxy wars with the external support of the various insurgencies. Right now I think the battles are on behalf of tribal constituencies and for their respective political powers. At some point they may shift to the picking over of the carcass that once was Iraq, but not yet.
I also wonder if we can have real diplomatic progress as long as Condi Rice is Secretary of State. Does she have any credibility at all with any key leaders she must influence? (And let me be clear, I’m not suggesting that it is her sex that undermines her credibility.)
I believe everything you said in your 52, sir!
you hit the nail on the head, imho!
Man, was working and did whatever was neccessary to have the pleasure and priviledge to become part of a discussion with the ambassador….hope I’m not to late to this party
first question is a little off topic but important in this discussion;
1) all things being equall, with no further revelations making themself known, do you think Robert Gates should be confirned?
question two is off topic but I’m dying to know;
2) does Mrs. Wilson read and post here at teh lake of fire and dogs?
Ambassador Wilson,
It is an honor to have you here.
This may seem like a very stupid question, but if anyone would know the answer, it would be you. If we are stuck with things the way they are in Iraq for the remainder of the Bush administration, whom, in your opinion, is most equipped to clean up the mess when we manage to elect someone that could?
Also, is there anything any of us can do to aid you and your family besides giving to the legal fund?
Happy Holidays to you and your family.
-S
Joe Wilson @ 38
FWIW, I was saying something very similar this morning.
In order to come up with the best policy, we need to make the conversation about the best policy instead of whether Dubya will find some new Band-Aid to cover his ass.
That means specific, honest answers about the situation on the ground, and the limits of what our troops can do given that situation.
Good afternoon, Ambassador and thank you for lending your time so generously.
What impact do you think the Hadley memo has on “incentivizing” the Iraqi government to shore up its army so that we can “stand down”? It seems to me that at the press conference in Amman, al-Maliki was merely summoning up what some of us impolitely refer to as an “F.U.” (Friedman Unit), a six-month time period which the talking heads like to fall back on when they don’t know how much time extrication will really take.
Hi Ambassador Wilson,
I’d appreciate your comments on Jimmy Carter’s new book.
Mr. Ambassador, welcome.
With the Hezbollah, prodded along by Syria, clamoring to bring down the government in Lebanon, and with the Shites in Syria tied to their brethren in Iraq, do you see the problem in Iraq expanding into a regional conflict, especially given the ongoing situation between the Israelis and the Palestinians?
Ambassador Wilson - I really appreciate your comments about shifting how we speak about Iraq to a task - force ratio. That puts the onus on the adminstration and SecDef to actually identify and quantify what they are doing. I wonder if we can pressure the democratic leadership to push for precisely this sort of assessment?
;(
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 45
Katulis is a solid observer of the Iraq situation and I agree with his assessment though I think there are a number of conflitual subdivisions within his divisions. The role of Iran in the region going forward is what should be of primordial concern. With the rise of the Shia in Iraq, Shia aspirations will be fueled throughout the gulf where there are significant populations and you can assume the Iranians will be supportive. We actually do have strategic interests in the region and a withdrawal may threaten those interests.
Thanks for coming to visit us, Ambassador Wilson. You are a great American.
I have been reading that the Bush Administration’s intent was never to do the myriad of lofty things it proposed to do, but in fact to make the country unlivable in order to assume military control over oilfields. The occupation of a hostile populace was never intended.
The fact that this occupation has proven to be deadly to 3000 Americans and ultimately threated American hegemony in the region were unforeseen negative consequences of the larger strategy. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld intended to salt Carthage.
The chaos and carnage are what they wanted all along. The hundreds of thiousands of dead Iraqis, the flight of the middle class and professionals, the 3,000 emigrants per month, the end of civility. The US didn’t drop the ball, it smashed the china.
Does this dark, satanic explanation hold up?
Ambassador, it is truly an honor.
On the Sunday talk shows, Stephen Hadley made a big deal out of insisting that the violence in Iraq was al-Qaeda’s fault. Tim Russert told him that only a small percentage of fighters in Iraq are foreign, and Hadley said that al-Qaeda was a small percentage but was attacking the Shi’ites, causing them to attack the Sunnis in reprisal. I’m sure this is true to some extent, but how much is al-Qaeda REALLY fomenting the violence and how much is the fighting stemming from other conflicts - and could you give an example of such conflicts?
I know it’s really Iraq 101 stuff, but it’s unbelievable the number of people that insist we are fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Thank you, sir!
Wigwam @ 60
Same, please. It seems both cogent and inflammatory. The old man still seems to have a spark; is he on the mark?
The ISG site is here:
http://www.usip.org/isg/
The news release giving the December 6, 2006 release date is here:
http://www.usip.org/isg/news_r.....rence.html
Ambassador Wilson -
What are your thoughts on the recent “dust-up” between Bush and Senator-elect Webb and how it relates to Bush’s failure in Iraq?
Joe, you mention Ryan Crocker. I understand he was the lead in the State Department in drawing up the detailed occupation plans that Rummy essentially scrapped and started over (with Feith drawing up the mess of a non-plan with which we are currently stuck). I also hear that Crocker is quite good — but he will be starting from way behind in this instance. What will he be able to do in a position as Ambassador — especially with the Bush Administration’s backing and their decided loss of stature in the region and in Iraq itself? Are they setting him up to fail — or do you think they will allow him to actually DO his job, if he is appointed?
johnSwifty @ 47
I have no idea if it dawned on Cheney that I was the Joe Wilson who was in Iraq in the first gulf war. He is a busy man and there are a lot of Joe Wilsons. What they did to Valerie was unconscionable and really stupid. They took a four day story — their lie in the State of the Union — and turned it into a four year nightmare for every body concerned.
1,350 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Joe Wilson:
Thank you for your distinguished service to our country. I’m sure that, ideologically, you and I don’t match up well but havin’ said that, I really respect your knowledge and understanding of the Byzantine world of America’s foreign service and intelligence bureaucracy. So here’s my question…how long and what will it take to clean up the individual intelligence services and fumigate the state Department of the undemocratic elements? Can it be done without takin’ down the whole unwieldy process and structure established under the Homeland Security Department?
I am truly afraid that the damage done to our secret and publicly unaccountable institutions, particularly the intelligence bureaucracy, over the last six years make it highly likely that the contaminants left over from this fascist regime could very well undermine future democratically elected governments.
KEEP THE FAITH JOE, AND PASS THE DAMNED AMMUNITION, WE HAVEN’T GOT RID OF ‘EM YET!!
Ambassador Wilson, I had the great pleasure of hearing you speak at a local (San Fernando Valley) Democratic function a couple of years ago. As impressive as I found you on television, I found you more so in person. It’s disheartening that not so long ago we could take it largely as a given that our government was made up of people with your common sense, intelligence, and integrity. Maybe there will come a time when we can do so again.
I don’t have a question. I merely wished to express my appreciation for all you have done for our country, both inside government, and outside of it.
pseudonymous in nc @ 50
The Washington Post got a hold of a cable sent from the US Embassy to the State Dept. last June that may answer some of your questions. PDF file-small, 6 pages. Quite depressing.
Thank you Ambassador Wilson for your time, service and dedication. It’s great to have you here. I believe it’s a matter of fate that our world has been given the opportunity, now, to communicate across the political power chain, in such a crucial period of history. I’m sincerely honored as an average ordinary person to have this chance.
I can speak only for myself but others might have had the same experience of not being involved/interested in politics until I(we) felt our future was seriously threatened. As we’ve researched, learned and shared information, it’s become clear that some unsavory schemes of the past have never been stopped. We find so many versions of history that the truth seems to be lost forever.
As we ‘everyday people’ seek the truth to prevent past mistakes from reliving, are we doing more harm than good by exposing the long covered past to more people? Is it futile to strive for honest discussions of past controversies when it seems obvious that elected leaders of both parties stick to the more “official” versions of the events? I’ve come to believe that the mark of effective government is the lack of interest in it by average citizens. Many of us didn’t realize how terrible it’s been for so long and now that we know, can the alternative truths of the past be more than useless knowledge?
watertiger @ 59
I think Maliki is woefully weak. The history of Iraq has always been in the absence of strong central power, it tends to spin out of control. Maliki does not have the power he needs to successfully govern. Too many factions, too much dispersal of authority, too many militias and competing political goals.
Ambassador Wilson: An honor. Two things.
1. At the rate things are going, what is your opinion on the likelihood that at some point the US troops in Iraq will have to fight their way out to a “friendly” country? My opinion on this is it’s more likely than not, particularly given Bush’s pronouncement last week of no “graceful exit”….
2. At 38, you note:
It turned out, they weren’t guarding a bridge (though that might have been their job - they weren’t doing it). The one soldier who was captured, killed and booby-trapped had been (by all appearances specifically) targeted for revenge by the family of the 14 year-old girl. She had been raped, killed and her body set afire by a group of soldiers now on trial for rape and murder (at least one or two have already pleaded) - the dead soldier was a part of that group.
Why do you think that diplomacy is so seemingly repugnant to this administration? I personally cannot remember a time when so little good has been done. NOTHING on the so-called “roadmap” for these 6 years. 9/11 (awful as it was) presented an opportunity to us and that has been squandered in vast amounts of blood and treasure.
Do you have any thoughts on that other seemingly “forgotten war” that is Afghanistan?
And did you support the US decision not to call for a cease fire in Lebanon?
It will take generations to undo the damage that NeoCon policy has done to the Middle East, but it may take even longer to undo the damage that they’ve done to the English language.
“Incentivizing”?!
We also need to stop demonizing other Middle Eastern leaders, make them investors in a solution or at least in a process that moves the battle from the streets to conference tables.
That statement really resonates with me. It reminds me of the tenet that a ‘bad’ leader who can maintain the peace is better than a ‘good’ leader who cannot. I also see this as the way for Al Qaeda to be contained, not by the US, but by Muslims from within. Al Qaeda appears to be dependent on anarchy to exist in new places and is perhaps even more so dependent on the divisive presence of US military to avoid being ousted by indigenous tribal forces.
My question to you, Joe, is do you see redeployment of US forces out of Iraq as having a negative effect on the long term establishment of AQ in Iraq (even in a failed state scenario) despite a likely escalation in chaos for Iraqis themselves?
Alison @ 65
After 911 the headline in the French newspaper read “We are all Americans now”. After three years of shock and awe in Iraq we should not be surprised if the Iraqis are saying “We are all Al Qaeda now.” That said, I suspect that whatever foreign fighters are in Iraq now are operating with the support of tribes and clans waging the civil war and insurgencies and would be brought under their control when it suited their purposes. As a foreigner you would need some domestic support to sustain operations.
Ambassador Wilson
Do you think it’s too late for a federalization of Iraq into small provinces or cantons (not along ethnic lines–as little along ethnic lines as possible) with oil revenues distributed according to population? I know it’s an imperfect solution, but to me it seems like the least bad solution
TRex @ 79
Don’t get my mother started on that, T-Rex. She was an English teacher. ;-)
Ambassador Wilson,
Thanks so much for your time here at the lake -
am I safe in assuming you read this WaPo piece last week by Nawaf Obaid ?
do you agree with his conclusions for the region ?
Gilliard (who hasn’t been wrong about much) says the Saudis wont come if called as they don’t ‘trust’ their own military
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01277.html
in diplomatic terms; jeebus !
note to Firedogs - even if this is just House of Saud spin, I urge you all to read it when you can
Joe Wilson @ 76
I commented, satirically, in SteveG’s post last night that it appears what the region needs is a local strongman who is more despotic than religious in order to hold the exterior forces at bay.
All in all, as a sorry layman to the matter, I am forced to simply shake my head and say, “What a God Damn awful shame!”
This great country deserves so much more from its leaders…so very much more.
Are you done sir? Are you done with public service, (other than what you offer us here now)?
Joe Wilson @ 76