
The mystery surrounding the poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko continues to spread and darken like a cloud of squid ink, and tensions are mounting between the Russian and British Governments. The Russians apparently feel that it was irresponsible for the British government to allow Litvinenko to publish his deathbed letter implicating the Kremlin in his murder. The Brits have responded like the British, thank you very much.
From the Telegraph UK:
Dr Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, told The Daily Telegraph: "In Britain, people are still free to speak, which is a lesson that seemingly needs to be learnt in Mr Putin's Russia.
"At first glance, it [the Russian protest] is an outrage. But on a deeper aspect, it is symptomatic of a state that does not understand any longer the concept of free speech."
Dame Pauline Neville-Jones, the former head of the Joint Intelligence Committee, joined the criticism, calling the Kremlin letter "absolute bloody cheek, frankly".
Thank you, Dr. Fox, Dame Neville-Jones. You have the souls of poets.
At this juncture, four people are testing positive for polonium contamination, Litvinko's wife Marina and father, Walter have both received low dosages, well beneath the threshhold of lethality, but his contact at Itsu, Mario Scaramella has received five times what is accepted as a lethal dose of alpha radiation, but he has yet to show symptoms of poisoning. Another former KGB agent in London, Andrei Lugovoi is testing positive for exposure and he also met with Litvinenko the day he fell ill. According to CNN, 27 people have been referred for testing for possible exposure.
We still don't have conclusive word on how the polonium-210 was introduced into Litvinenko's body since the autopsy process has been complicated by the fact that the cadaver is still highly radioactive. (From The New Scientist via Chip Scanlon at Poynter Online.)
Meanwhile, possibly the most delicate autopsy ever performed in London is due to take place on Friday, at the Royal London Hospital, when radiation-suited pathologists gingerly prise apart the highly toxic body of Litvinenko. What they find might suggests where the radioactive element polonium-210 suspected of poisoning him came from.
(snip)
“It looks like a typical 30-day radiation death,” says Dudley Goodhead, former director of the British Medical Research Council’s Radiation and Genome Stability Unit at Harwell in Oxfordshire.
Relative doses
A person dies of the highest doses of radiation immediately. If the dose was high enough to destroy the intestinal wall, death takes five days, Goodhead explains. At lower doses, enough to destroy the bone marrow, a particular syndrome sets in with death typically at around 30 days, with some variation. Both Litvinenko’s symptoms and time to death are consistent with that, he says.
That means he probably received only microgram amounts of polonium, Goodhead suggests. But only half would have been cleared from his body before he died. “There will be plenty left for the autopsy team to worry about,” as the polonium would be distributed widely throughout the body.
Since the radioactive element decays fast, with a half-life of only 138 days, the alpha particles it emits possess very high energy, making even tiny amounts toxic. As an unexplained death, by law Litvinenko must receive an autopsy. But just the small droplets released, for example, as the autopsy team opens his chest, could be dangerous.
The other lingering question is, obviously, who did it and why. Occam's razor says to always go for the simplest explanation, and that would be that the Kremlin silenced Litvinenko as well as Moscow journalist Anna Politkovskaya. That just doesn't sit right with me, though. Why go to so much trouble when all they had to do was shoot him and leave his body in an alley? Why invoke such a public, excruciating death, one that would enable Litvinenko to point the finger of blame at the Putin government?
Dr. Hillhouse has a roundup piece at The Spy Who Billed Me addressing many of the current theories out there:
- The murder was designed to frame Putin as to frighten other regime critics into silence.
It’s a very Western perspective to believe that framing the FSB/Putin for the murder of a dissident in London would have any affect upon Putin's power, except to increase his popularity with the old-timers still longing for Uncle Joe. Despite what many wanted to believe about his democratic tendencies several years ago, Putin was then and remains an authoritarian ruler. Public opinion has no impact on his power unless there are massive uprisings in the streets and even then it only really matters if the military refuses to quell it.
(snip)
- It was designed to frame Putin to cause international uproar as part of a larger campaign to oust him from power.
Newsflash: International political opinion carries little to no real weight in domestic politics (with a few possible exceptions.) The US is a prime example. The world has not exactly been pleased with how the US has conducted itself in the War on Terror and in Iraq. Now think about how negative world opinion has impacted US domestic politics both in terms of the actions of the Bush Administration and voter behavior. It hasn't.(snip again)
- It was done to scare Putin, demonstrating that one of the Russian mafias could not only access state-controlled radiation sources but also frame Putin for the murder.
He would not be shaking in his fur-lined boots over this. Unprofessionalism aside, demonstrating that the Russian mafia could kill someone in London is not impressive. Russian control on nuclear isotopes is so loosey-goosey (to use a technical term) that Putin is more likely to be shocked if it were all accounted for. Scientists are highly underpaid and and easy bribery targets.
Clearly, these are valid points, but I'm going to go way, way out on a limb here and posit that this murder was carried out by operatives of Yukos, the oil company owned by jailed petro-oligarch Mikhail Kordorkovsky. I have precious little to back this up except a gut feeling, a denial, and this piece from The Australian:
A DOSSIER drawn up by Alexander Litvinenko on the Kremlin's takeover of the world's richest energy giant will be given to Scotland Yard overnight as police investigate the former KGB spy's secret dealings with some of Russia's richest men.
It emerged yesterday that Mr Litvinenko travelled to Israel just weeks before he died to hand over evidence to a Russian billionaire of how agents working for President Vladimir Putin dealt with his enemies running the Yukos oil company.
He passed this information to Leonid Nevzlin, the former second-in-command of Yukos, who fled to Tel Aviv in fear for his life after the Kremlin seized and then sold off the $US40 billion ($51 billion) company.
And then there's this piece at CNN, in which former KGB operative Yuri Shvets says he knows who killed his friend Litvinenko and that he has handed over a dossier to Scotland Yard. He refuses to verbally implicate anyone because, "I want this inquiry to get to the bottom of it, otherwise they will be killing people all over the world -- in London, in Washington and in other places. I want to give the police the time and space to crack this case, to allow them to find those behind this assassination, the last thing I want to do is give a warning to those who are responsible."
(Yeah, not like us.)
And then he denies that Yukos had anything to do with the murder:
In a separate statement issued through Tom Mangold, a London-based former British Broadcasting Corp. reporter and friend for 15 years, Shvets denied claims published Sunday in Britain's Observer newspaper that he had been involved in the drafting of a dossier on Russian oil company Yukos.
If Shvets was Tony Snow, I would say that now we've solved everything. It's like I told my brother last spring, "I've gotten to where I don't believe anything anymore until the White House denies it. Then I know it's the truth."
UPDATE: It has been pointed out to me in the comments that the documents that Litvinenko and Shvets are making available to the British government are probably favorable to Yukos and incriminating to the Putin government. For some reason I had it in my head that these documents would be equally damning to both parties. Still! It's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Nyah. Nyah. Nyah.
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TREX !!
Zero!
Yessssssssssss!
Can we send Newt (who also has to learn respect for freedom of speech) to do a legislative internship with these good people in Parliament?
Teddy - you sneaked by. Congrats!
Trex! Just wanted to compliment you first off on last nights. Woohoo, one of your best! I went back and read it this morning and did the obligatory coffee spew multiple times. I had a multiple spew!
Nice, TRex– is that a scrimshaw handle?
blowhards are everywhere except here at FDL.
well done, sir.
Unless it’s the paedophiles worldwide covering for Putin, Foley, et al.
Is this some kind of test?
:)
I’ll be good.
Cozumel’s news is too good to leave in EPU land,
2 threads back:
Coz speaking:
Nice comment, Christy! I’ve spent the last few days reconnecting with my soul mate in the real world. : )
A little over three years ago I put a diamond solitaire engagement ring on her finger, we just happened too fast though and it scared both of us because of it! LOL Anyway, we’ve reconnected and we’re stronger than ever. Damn I love that woman and the feeling’s mutual, has been all along. BTW, we met online on a site much like this one. Shit happens! LOL
You’ll get a kick out of this. She’s an attorney and former judge ; )
Merry Christmas, indeed!
[end Coz comment]
Richmond @
5
A thorough and timely refresh of prevthread sometimes illuminates an 8:03 LateNite without anyone else knowing….
Hooray for Coz!!
Hooray for LOVE!!
TRex @ 12
I’d say he’s positively glowing - but that would be wrong.
Oh, lord, here come the radiation jokes.
Oh, wow, Coz.
Happy snoopy dance all around!
jiminy.
“Souls of poets”
Takes one to know one!
I love reading the letters to the editor in the Times of London.
They can cut opponents down to size with minimum of slices. The Brits also have a tradition of dealing with hecklers by humiliating them when they interfere with speeches.
TRex @ 14
Luckily they have a short half-life.
Coz is positively radiating with love for his woman!
Patrick 4/4 @ 17
Should we just get iridium altogether?
egregious, I hope you understand my and (maybe also, but I won’t speak for him!) TRex’s curiosity about p-210, putin, and the Russian mob and oligarchy. I don’t ascribe un-human motives to the Russians, I just want to know what happened. This speculation doesn’t say anything about my views or prejudices about Russian people; I have very little to contribute in that area.
I only remember my mom’s trip to the Soviet Union on a college-alum tour. She came home surprised her luggage’d been gone through every nite. She was also puzzled by the well-dressed folks who’d show up at their events and dinner tables. This was in the early Nineties, and mom hadn’t thought that traveling and rooming with a retired CIA NOC would generate surveillance.
So, Trex–
how’s Pammy faring and what do think of the firing of Bolty?
I think it doesn’t really scan to separate Yukos from the Kremlin. They may not be entirely congruent, but a Venn diagram would show some serious overlap.
My take is they wanted to kill and smear Litvinenko. He was involved with smuggling nuclear materials for the FSB, so I think they hoped that would be a cover story for the gullible and a warning for those whom they wished to know.
angie @ 20
Um, dial ‘m’ for meltdown. My dawgs over at Sadly, No! have been doing a series about it, chronicling every blenderful of kiwi-lime daiquiries.
Hi, everyone!
Oh, I just watched some stuff on the Litvinenko Case on CNN…
It gave me a nu-clear perspective on the case.
[sorry, I couldn’t help it ; ) ]
egregious at 8:21 pm
Thanks so much, I would have missed it, if you hadn’t brought the news over.
Great post TRex, thanks.
yay!
Patrick 4/4 @ 22
Aren’t there lotsa ways to kill a snoopy former spy who’s talking outta school that don’t allow him time to call out his assassin? It’s the very public and publicly available aspects of his death that I don’t yet get.
Unless Putin’s allies ( or enemies ) don’t get the www?
Egregious and I discussed this issue earlier tonight and she gave me her blessing via email, so as long as you guys can keep in mind that we’re talking about the murder of a man who lived a short, difficult life, well, just remember that we’re not talking about somebody stealing somebody else’s lighter here. I am sure that aspects of this story could be seen as funny in a ghastly sort of way, but I don’t see much to laugh about here.
TeddySanFran @ 27
I think it has more to do with so demonizing your opponent that it’s impossible to believe anybody else would see him differently.
TeddySanFran @ 20
Whoa! Crazy stuff. Just traveling with a retired CIA NOC sounds intriguing!
Accustomed as we are to the novelistic and cinematic aspects of the SPY vs. SPY universe, constant reminders that this is a real person, and that there’s a also real widow in fear for her own health, are always appropriate.
The weapon of choice here has me wondering about a lot of things. Either the killers thought that The Spy Who Talks would die mysteriously and no one would figure out how he died, or they were trying to send a message by using polonium.
The former seems unlikely, as the killers had to have known that the death of a Spy Who Talks would generate a fair amount in news and thus a formal inquest. If someone wanted the death to go unnoticed and uninvestigated, this is not the weapon I think they would have chosen. A well planned car “accident,” a “robbery” gone bad, or a number of other Ludlumesque possibilities suggest themselves to me as much more likely.
Polonium is not an easily obtained, mass marketed Saturday Night Special type of weapon. Not all that many folks can get access to this kind of material in the quantities needed for a killing like this. It’s almost as if the killers wanted the death to make the news, and also as if they believe that they can survive an investigation led by the British.
Beyond silencing this Spy Who Talks, the killers are also trying to send a message to others who might be tempted to spill some nasty secrets. If that’s the case, I’d say their message went out loud and clear. Now it’s up to the British to see if the killer’s faith in surviving an investigation is warranted.
TRex @ 27
But then again, if you guys want to make radiation jokes, don’t let me stop you.
I want to know why we are NOT at terror level RED and having body cavity searches instead of not being able to carry MY OWN bottle of Aquafina?
The BA contamination could be from exposed people who use the loo. Years ago when I did acute care, patients would have radiological seeds inserted for cancer treatment. We all wore badges and Geiger counters to check the body fluids before dumping the potty.
Another part of Occam’s razor is who benefits. I follow the money, who?
So, Peterr, in attempting to silence a former spy, this is the Russians’ version of Novakula’s July 14th column?
TRex @ 33
That reminder, too, is always appropriate.
So how will the president of these United States deal with this situation?
Mary McCurnin @ 37
Snicker.
Um…he’ll get real mad and go clear some brush. Dern Rooskies!
Mary McCurnin @ 37
You are right, Mary M — why no inquiries from the pet WHPress Corpse about this incident? Blair’s coming to visit Thursday; he and W’ll surely have a joint presser; David Gregory better step up!
Learn by example, conveniently ignoring the “getting caught” part… except a bunch of irradiated mullahs in Iraq.
Mary McCurnin @
37
TRex @ 38
“He forgot to mention Polonium!”
sorry.. ‘expect’.. not except
Really, this is a sad story…
I shouldn’t be engaging in cheap jokes here.
While I don’t want to believe that this happened, it looks like the Russian government is somehow involved in the murder. I mean, it seems more than just “coincidental” how prominent Kremlin critics are falling like flies. But what can we do about it? The only individual on the world stage who is probably trusted even less than Vladimir Putin is George W. Bush…
And besides, Bush still apparently “understands Putin’s soul”, and he can “talk with Putin about issues”…
Like how to silence critics?
g’nite folks.
TeddySanFran @ 39
What can Bush do about this?
Nighters, angie!!
*Good night smooch*
Good night, angie! : )
Bush cant do a damn thing about what happened. It’s a matter for Blair and Putin to resolve.
All Pups Bulletin:
As an elder in the Presbyterian Church— ooops, wrong thread.As an occasionally humorless drama-hyping bipolar winter-depressive Russian humanitarian, and of course there are many of us, I hereby grant my blessing to all and sundry kinds of writers and writings here.
Yes people died as part of this story, and I think you sense I care about life, but we can use many kinds of thinking and writing to be creative in our understanding.
Have a blast [little radiation humor].
TRex @ 28
Great to hear!
Like TSF and you TRex, I too wanted to ensure Egregious that my fascination is because I’m someone who majored in Russian Studies and I’ve had a life-long interest in things Russian.
EG, you have no idea how much I admire you, your calling in life and the goodness you spread!
If I haven’t said it before, you are an inspiration to us all!
atdnext @ 45
He can commit all of the country’s considerable resources to closing the Incompetent Assassin Gap.
Unless Putin’s allies ( or enemies ) don’t get the www?
That’s been my assumption. The stuff about smuggling for A-Q might be just a rebound attempt.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 48
And considering his terrible track record on foreign policy issues, perhaps Bush shouldn’t…
Besides, you’re really correct…
It’s between Russia and the UK.
Hear, hear!!
And pumpkin muffins.
Okay, kids. Heading home.
TeddySanFran @ 35
That’s certainly one strong possible parallel. Another would be that this killing is an episode where there might be some plausible deniability at the top, as one lower-ranking (but still significantly powerful) office engages in some unofficial actions of their own. Those at the top ask “What can we do about Mr. L?” and those a bit further down answer “You don’t want to know . . .”
Hmmm . . . Iran/Contra, anyone?
It is, and the Brits are PISSED! They consider Litvinenko to be a British citizen, slain (potentially) by another national government. Hell, that’s an act of war.
Okay, really heading home now.
egregious @ 49
Egregious, I’m glowing with happiness….
[or maybe that’s ’cause I just ate my smoke detector…
it’s a near-Marin thing…
seeking that inner light…]
and this may seem specious -
’cause detectors use Americi
[-um]
atdnext @ 53
Presumes facts not in evidence. Where are Cheney’s black ops teams, and were they near the sushi bar?
“Who will rid me of this meddlesome Mr. L?”
Peterr @ 55
who can rid me of this meddlesome spook?
congrats tsf! (in bold, no less)
London Times:
Teddy–great story about your mom. I just assume that everything I do over there and everything I say are being recorded for posterity.
I figure it makes it easier for my biographer.
A single person repeatedly traveling with extra luggage back and forth to Russia? Believe me there were investigations on both sides of the Atlantic. No one could figure me out.
Some of the western investigations were…clumsy and embarrassing. One of them was pretty good. Some of the eastern ones I could see and I’m sure there were others that were and are invisible. Investigate away, boys, you’ll still find I’m in it for the purpose of: saving the lives of newborns. Have at it.
First I was insulted to be investigated, finally I realized it meant we had a big enough program that it was coming to their attention. So that was ok then, if still annoying. All part of the gift to these families, and the gift of working for peace and reconciliation between warring nations.
[end of today’s Christmas homily :) ]
Another thing to keep in mind, the British investigators and the media work in an entirely different manner than our police/FBI and media work. Due to the Official Secrets Act maybe or maybe another law over there, publishing information about ongoing investigations in the UK is simply not done until the investigation has run its course. Contrast that to the favorite subject of FDL, the Libby Case.
Speculation is all anyone can deal with right now because the UK investigators (not sure, is it MI-5? MI-6?) are busy trying to figure out this case. Until they release their official report we cannot begin to understand what happened excpet for what little tidbits are ascertained by media. Take it all with a big grain of salt until the final report is issued.
TeddySanFran @ 58
The basic crime of murder may be between the UK and Russia, but the use of polonium as a weapon makes it an issue far beyond those two countries. We’re talking about various potential international treaty violations (non-proliferation, chemical/biological weapons treaties, etc.) to which many nations - including the US - are signatories.
Trust me: the folks at the State Department are working overtime on this one, along with their friends at the CIA, NSA, and DOD. When someone starts tossing closely held nuclear materials around at their enemies, it makes lots of folks very, very nervous. Even before 9-11.
I disagree that poisoning is too troublesome and attention grabbing.
Poisoning by mysterious materials not easily detected and not readily tested for appears to be the MO against many who challenge the Kremlin.
Remember Viktor Yushchenko - now President of the Ukraine? When running popularly for President against Putin’s puppet candidate in 2004, he comes down with a mysterious rare illness which takes months to determine is likely the result of dioxin poisoning. With levels of dioxin in his body far exceeding a normal exposure limit.
Who poisoned Yuschchenko?
I find it bizarre that here too with poisoning by some unknown (at the time) substance, opponents just suggested that it could just be due to bad sushi.
Who dropped the poison, assuming it wasn’t Litvinenko’s own accident, which I doubt? Letting a possibly tracable operator get away might have been worth risking some publicity, which, as others have pointed out, could in any event be useful.
Mad Dogs @ 50
You are such a sweetheart. Thank you.
I kinda blew it the other night. I was upset but was only saying goodbye for now, because of a 3 day trip to see my aunt while she could still recognize me. Sorry if I gave the impression that I was abandoning fdl or worse.
Fdl is likely stuck with me for the duration and in case of the latter, I will be extremely clear and ask for help of a specific nature.
I’ve got a really detailed contour map of my depression and am working on the equivalent map of my mania. It’s mostly uncharted territory but am beginning to see some familiar landmarks. Thank you all for your patience and your love. IT MATTERS.
TRex @ 56
Yep, this has been a HUGE story in the British press…
Oh, and speaking of that, The Guardian is reporting that if someone in Russia really is behind the poisoning, that person may never actually be brought to justice:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russ.....39,00.html
Patrick 4/4 @ 62
For the record, let me state that I am not the Times’ “senior police source.”
Has it ever been determined who poisoned the Ukrainian leader Yuschenko?
Seems like some bad spooks running around that neck of the woods.
-GSD
egr — some of us got all the signals re: trip plan, russia upset, and farewell comment. it looked quite logical to me, but don’t go by me. not to denigrate the concern others felt, perhaps from only seeing one of your comments….
egregious @ 68
Egregious, you grace us.
Love you.
egregious @ 68
Sounds like you’re making a good attempt to understand your illness. Keep at it. I know that with my SO’s psychiatric disorder, the two tricks have always been to recognize the signposts and to realize that they may pop up from time to time independent of the pattern. Good luck!
Peterr @ 65
Perhaps… But what can the US then do about this?
New Ukrainian Y-guy coming to visit BigTime and ‘Sleezza next week!
EvilDrPuma @ 74
Maybe it helps to put a “This way to FDL” sign on that map too.
Much love, egr!
GSD @ 71
Yes and no.
The Poisoning of Ukraine’s President
egregious @
68
Depression and manic/depression run in various streams all over my family and sticking it out is one of the hardest things - for the sufferer and their loved ones. If you’re sticking it out - why shouldn’t we?
atdnext — why, we could invade Russia! It’s wintertime, perfect for an assault on St. Petersburg.
Peterr @ 70
His name only has one “r”.
TeddySanFran @ 80
Perhaps we can blow up the Hermitage, and show them what we think about their “culture”?
GSD @
71
There again, the trail cooled quickly, the op probably got away clean. I wonder if note was taken of Yuschenko’s survival?
Patrick–
It goes with being creative and energetic. Hope it’s worth it.
My doctor wanted a family history of everybody with mental illness and their meds. I said are you going to cancel the rest of your appointments today?
delayed response:
johnSwifty @
149
I was just doing routine maintenance on a zig based on french fries. no barb intended.
(PS: the malt = them all?)
Egregious, as always I will keep you in my prayers for brothers and sisters who share my conditions, in this case depression. Just try to remember there are many who love you and the world is a better place with you in it depressed than with you not in it at all. You control the disease, don’t let the disease control you.
Look! Up there! Shiny thing! Is it a full moon?
TeddySanFran @ 80
Shhhhh. So far, no historical strategic mistake has been too grievous for Bush to give it another try.
Peterr @ 70
Peterr-
Hmmm…
given the disclaimer -
perhaps you can tell me…
should I bother to FOIA myself, or should I spare myself the file inadequacy?
(enquiring dissidents want to know)
redactively yours…
prostratedragon @
83
Spook note to self: Use more poison unless rendering victim ugly is considered a worthy goal.
-GSD
omg. 100,000 contractors in Iraq.
Excerpt:
The survey finding, which includes Americans, Iraqis and third-party nationals hired by companies operating under U.S. government contracts, is significantly higher and wider in scope than the Pentagon’s only previous estimate, which said there were 25,000 security contractors in the country.
egregious @ 84
I’m lucky. I just got the depressive end of it. I do my best not to romanticize it - it’s like sugar to a diabetic.
EvilDrPuma @ 88
When the Pentagon announces winter fatigues that unbutton in the rear, I’ll really worry.
(i’d call this a straight line, but US never can tell…)
pardon the typhoids - my fingers have nervous ticks….
OT, but significant and very disappointing.